Time  Nick         Message
21:56 * dpavlin    waves and goes to sleep...
21:55 cait         I will go and unpack/tidy up a bit more...
21:54 cait         dpavlin: have a safe trip :)
21:53 dpavlin      mee too :-)
21:52 mbalmer      I think it is worth the effort.
21:52 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7365 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, marc, In Discussion , Koha uses MySQL
21:51 mbalmer      take bug 7365 as a start and add to it.
21:51 dpavlin      mbalmer: thanks for pushing me to fix mysqlisams... even better, I should contribute some patches to clean up rest of the code... sometime...
21:51 cait         then go, shoo!
21:50 * dpavlin    would really have to go to sleep to get some rest before trip...
21:50 cait         I forgot to take a picture of you and marijana - actually hoped owen did better
21:50 cait         finally came home around 3 hours ago
21:49 cait         trip was long
21:49 dpavlin      (of food, not us ;-)
21:49 cait         *sigh*
21:49 cait         oooh
21:49 dpavlin      Food was great. I think that Owen has some nice pictures...
21:49 cait         dpavlin++
21:49 cait         heh
21:49 cait         I will not ask about the goodbyes
21:49 dpavlin      yeah, sure. I Just wanted to show off :-)
21:49 cait         dpavlin: how was the food tonight?
21:48 cait         but bit tired tonight - will try to sign-of tomorrow :)
21:48 cait         I have it on my list
21:48 cait         :)
21:48 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7821 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Needs Signoff , XSLT systempreference multi-language support
21:48 dpavlin      cait: you might like bug 7821 -- it seems that implementation is smaller than discussion around it ;-)
21:40 mbalmer      I started that on the wiki, …wiki/PostgreSQL, but it is not complete.
21:40 jcamins_away If you put together a list of common problems, and how to fix them, I'm sure Ian would appreciate it.
21:39 jcamins_away I'm sure that's true.
21:39 mbalmer      we need to put out some guidelines for those doing DB work.  I am almost 100% certain the MySQLisms happened because of lack of better knowing.  Most people are not aware that what they do is not portable.
21:36 mbalmer      well, I think it is clear now that MySQLism are no longer accepted.  If in doubt, I can always help.
21:35 mbalmer      ah, I see.
21:35 cait         a follow up patch instead of a change to the original
21:35 mbalmer      what does that mean?
21:34 mbalmer      follow up?
21:34 cait         for the next time
21:34 cait         mbalmer: I think it's ok, but a follow up is the better way to do it
21:34 mbalmer      I worked with stephane for three days, I would be astonished if he sees things differently.
21:33 dpavlin      mbalmer: I sure hope you are right about stephane :-) Anyway, it's a step in right direction.
20:04 mbalmer      jacmins, stephane will not oppose to backquotes being removed.
18:31 cait-m__     waves
18:21 cait-m__     i agree
18:17 chanokin     Hello, I'm having trouble importing biblio records with accented characters encoded with utf-8. Could anyone lend a hand?
18:13 rangi        Yes a follow up would have been much nicer
17:53 jcamins_away Hopefully Stephane won't mind. Some people don't like their patches changed.
17:52 mbalmer      dpavlin++
17:52 cait-m__     will be back at normal times on wednesday
17:52 mbalmer      jc, thanks.
17:51 wahanui      Taking over the world is trivial for this one...
17:51 jcamins_away dpavlin.
17:51 cait-m__     soon
17:51 mbalmer      what is Dobrica's nickname here?
17:49 druthb       I'm used to seeing you earlier in the day.  :)
17:48 cait-m__     druthb i am here :-)
17:48 * oleonard   heads out
17:48 cait-m__     and first train where i can charge the phone
17:47 * druthb     misses her beste freundin!
17:47 cait-m__     almost home
17:47 cait-m__     last train now
17:47 cait-m__     stupid autocorrect
17:47 oleonard     Nope!
17:46 cait-m__     don't forget the hugs
17:46 cait-m__     grr
17:46 cait-m__     font
17:46 * druthb     waves to cait-m__
17:46 oleonard     Good trip so far?
17:46 cait-m__     wave
17:46 * oleonard   waves to cait-m__ on his way out to find some dinner
17:37 druthb       o/
17:23 mbalmer      it is inacceptable for new code...
17:23 oleonard     Uh, because everyone was using MySQL I suspect
17:21 mbalmer      my guess:  copy-paste syndrome
17:21 mbalmer      sigh, why is so hard not to use MySQLisms?
16:30 jcamins_away Heh. Yes, very good you mentioned it.
16:30 oleonard     I'm glad I mentioned this to paul because he warned me the metro isn't open yet then
16:29 oleonard     Gotta leave the hotel by 4AM
16:29 jcamins_away When do you leave?
16:28 oleonard     Nice long day walking around
16:28 * oleonard   is trying not to fall asleep before dinner
16:27 oleonard     Hi jcamins_away
16:27 jcamins_away Good evening, oleonard.
14:31 druthb       o/
14:10 sekjal       cheers, #koha!
14:10 sekjal       okay, I'm going to get some yard work done while the sun is out.  will likely be on more this weekend to clear out the QAQ.  lots of good, easy-to-test stuff in there
14:09 mbalmer      yw
14:09 sekjal       thanks!
14:09 sekjal       mbalmer:  all set
14:06 mbalmer      this morning I ran exactly into these modules missing...
14:05 mbalmer      yes.
14:05 sekjal       mbalmer: thanks, I'll add your sign off and elevate the status on bugzilla
14:04 mbalmer      sekjal, you can commit that with signed-off Marc Balmer <marc@msys.ch> (or signoff yourself, since it is really trivial)
14:00 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7820 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Missing packages from install_misc/debian.packages
14:00 sekjal       easy patch for to sign off on… bug 7820
13:43 cait-m__     heh
13:43 * jcamins    doesn't know anything about bip, but it seems like it would be useful.
13:43 cait-m__     i think i am ready to give in
13:43 cait-m__     hmm if someone would help me...
13:42 sekjal       but I had to get git-bz first
13:42 cait-m__     on train still
13:42 sekjal       writing the patch now
13:42 jcamins      cait-m__: you really should think about setting up bip when you get back to Konstanz. :)
13:42 sekjal       nothing major; just some packages are not accounted for in install_misc/debian.packages
13:42 sekjal       hi, cait-m
13:42 cait-m__     hi agaon
13:42 sekjal       I think this is the 6th time I've installed Koha in the last 2 months
13:42 cait-m__     uhoh
13:42 jcamins      (that there are issues in a new install)
13:42 jcamins      ... okay, that's not so good.
13:42 sekjal       koha
13:41 sekjal       but, that has uncovered a few hitches in a new master install
13:41 jcamins_away :)
13:41 jcamins_away Ooh, fun. What's going on it?
13:41 sekjal       not looking at that just yet.  Got a new VM to set up
13:41 jcamins_away *?
13:41 jcamins_away Anything fun in the QAQ/
13:38 sekjal       morning, jcamins
13:38 jcamins_away Good morning, sekjal.
13:17 jcamins_away This would be a good reason to use bip, cait_m_. :P
11:41 cait-m       and laptop battery almost empty
11:41 cait-m       no
11:41 cait-m       nk
11:40 jcamins_away No wireless on the train yet?
11:40 cait-m_      hi :-)
11:39 jcamins_away Hi cait.
09:59 oleonard     So you have internet, cait-m, but maybe not very stable internet?
09:58 oleonard     Oh, just missed her
09:56 * oleonard   is back from his quest to buy chocolate for the folks back home
09:56 * oleonard   wondered if cait would have internet on the train :)
09:43 sophie_m     :-)
09:43 cait-m_      merci sophie
09:43 sophie_m     have a nice trip home cait-m_
09:33 * cait-m_    waves from the train
08:39 mbalmer      what will happen when I run the Koha installer on an already installed system? (I want to switch from the packages version to the git master revision, without loosing my data, of course..)
08:28 cait         bye all
08:28 cait         time to leave marseille
05:54 cait         #koha even
05:54 cait         hi #kohq
01:04 jcamins      Brooke: looks like HLT needs to adjust their search sysprefs.
01:04 Brooke       http://library.org.nz/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=Stephen+King
01:03 Brooke       http://library.org.nz/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=It
01:03 Brooke       http://catalog.nexpresslibrary.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=It&limit=
01:02 Brooke       http://library.org.nz/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=dalai+lama
01:01 Brooke       bad Koha.
01:01 Brooke       no no
01:01 Brooke       nuffin at HLT
01:01 Brooke       BUT
01:01 Brooke       and it explains the first hit
01:01 Brooke       and I realise that some cataloguer at NEKLS ought be beaten
01:01 Brooke       one of these things, is not like the other
01:01 Brooke       http://library.org.nz/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=dali+lama
01:01 Brooke       http://catalog.nexpresslibrary.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=Dali+lama&limit=
01:01 Brooke       just from the box.
01:01 Brooke       "Dali Lama" no actual quotes in the search
01:00 Brooke       deliberate misspelling
01:00 jcamins      That'd be kinda weird.
01:00 Brooke       but it demonstrates my babbling
01:00 jcamins      Apple fudge?
01:00 Brooke       and it might be apples to oranges
01:00 Brooke       or at least one example
01:00 Brooke       now here's what I mean.
00:58 Brooke       cool
00:58 jcamins      Bitter orange.
00:58 Brooke       non crap irish cream, or just no irish cream at all?
00:58 Brooke       nice work jcamins
00:58 Brooke       those should be on by default.
00:57 Brooke       to make things work intuitively
00:57 Brooke       that you have to flip someplace
00:57 Brooke       there are weird preferences and junk
00:57 Brooke       no it's not.
00:57 jcamins      Brooke: it's just the same as it always has been.
00:57 Brooke       and when it is forgiving, it's slow as molasses.
00:57 Brooke       it's just not as forgiving out of the box as it used to be
00:57 jcamins      Brooke: BTW, you'll be glad to know that my most recent batch of fudge came out delicious.
00:57 Brooke       gotta say, dunno what folks did to the Koha search, but meh.
00:55 * Brooke     is still full from Sushi.
00:54 jcamins      It's Friday... I wonder if that means libsysguy is having pizza.
00:54 libsysguy    ready**
00:54 libsysguy    brb dinner is read
00:53 * Brooke     winks slyly at jcamins
00:53 jcamins      Brooke: what are you expecting? This is an Ebsco product.
00:53 Brooke       "Santa Ana" will search just on that.
00:52 Brooke       and did not
00:52 Brooke       I should get a prompt for "Did you mean?"
00:52 Brooke       I just fed it a misspelling, and we are not amused
00:52 libsysguy    :p
00:52 libsysguy    the EDS i could give two you-know-whats about
00:52 libsysguy    so be gentle
00:52 libsysguy    i just upgraded koha to master today and just now started re-theming it
00:51 libsysguy    haha the EDS or the catalog?
00:51 Brooke       libsysguy how much do you want me to kick this catalogue?
00:49 Brooke       gmcharlt, it would make sense if they had 900 programmers of my calibre. :D
00:49 Brooke       but I kind of expect psych to be smoother than vet.
00:48 Brooke       "gaming and cognition" is better.
00:48 libsysguy    lol if you think librarians are like herding cats…wait till you manage programmes
00:48 gmcharlt     900 programmers?  for their sakes I hope not
00:47 libsysguy    but that was the sales rep…so who knows
00:47 libsysguy    surely not
00:47 libsysguy    i was like 0_0
00:47 libsysguy    they said close to 900
00:47 libsysguy    i asked them how many programmers they had on it
00:47 libsysguy    its something they wrote
00:47 Brooke       slow as molasses in winter from here, too.
00:46 gmcharlt     libsysguy: do you happen to know if there's a standard search engine behind EBS?
00:46 gmcharlt     indeed
00:46 Brooke       but it would be better to have gee, words that I put next to one another in a search, weigh more than random words that are similar XD
00:45 Brooke       prolly
00:45 Brooke       may I never have to fence you, sir.
00:45 libsysguy    for some reason I think you can change the algorithm for relevancy ranking making, for example, physical items rank higher than electronic ones
00:45 gmcharlt     Brooke: thanks!
00:45 * Brooke     hands gmcharlt some chocolate in order to escape his rapier wit.
00:44 Brooke       the ranking could be set on fire as a pie after a few months of dry time
00:44 libsysguy    hmm
00:44 Brooke       and well
00:44 Brooke       libsysguy - still not an ounce of difference in ranking
00:44 jcamins      gmcharlt: well, at least it's like Lexis.
00:43 * jcamins    agrees with libsysguy.
00:43 gmcharlt     ... oh, wait
00:43 libsysguy    i leave that to the librarians
00:43 gmcharlt     just like google
00:43 * libsysguy  is not a pro on searching
00:43 libsysguy    i think
00:43 libsysguy    you have to use (animal husbandry)
00:43 libsysguy    hehe
00:43 * Brooke     spanks EBSCO.
00:43 Brooke       bad ebsco
00:43 Brooke       when I do use quotes
00:43 Brooke       there is no diff
00:43 Brooke       and wtf
00:42 Brooke       a search for "animal husbandry" (no quotes in the actual search) is interesting.
00:41 Brooke       but don't expect the rest of the field to be populated by masochists, yes?
00:41 Brooke       if you're a masochist, dear, fair play to ye
00:40 gmcharlt     ;)
00:40 gmcharlt     Brooke: you would deny folks who want to be miserable their happiness?
00:40 * Brooke     pokes at the UT junk
00:40 Brooke       are you like "Ah well, no changin' it mate. I'll just stay here miserable for the rest of mah life."
00:39 Brooke       if you have a shite relationship
00:39 Brooke       do you live like that
00:39 Brooke       it's like really
00:39 Brooke       but like the whole "we established dysfunctional relationships with ILS vendors that gave us very little leverage and almost no recourse to demand better visual and interaction design. These decisions have had a lasting negative impact on our ability to serve patrons."
00:39 libsysguy    tell me what you think
00:39 libsysguy    try the search
00:39 libsysguy    http://library.uttyler.edu
00:39 Brooke       having the freaking opening hours and directions to the Library like EVERYWHERE
00:38 Brooke       em
00:38 Brooke       I just don't think it matters nearly as much as
00:38 libsysguy    interesting concept
00:38 libsysguy    Brooke we have just employed ebsco's EDS search
00:38 Brooke       not that a nice central search on databases wouldn't be posh
00:38 Brooke       already know where they are and how to get to em
00:38 Brooke       and the ones that don't
00:38 Brooke       I think Patrons want US to use them on their behalf
00:38 Brooke       but I think databases are just not worth thinking about most times
00:37 gmcharlt     true
00:37 Brooke       right
00:37 Brooke       smacked of battered Librarian syndrome to me
00:37 gmcharlt     of course, for libraries that have lots of databases and no central seach .. even more difficult
00:37 Brooke       gmcharlt the part that stuck in my craw was Is there a way out? I wish I was hopeful enough to encourage libraries to collectivize and demand better interfaces and flexible ILSs. Sadly, that seems unrealistic. Libraries that recognize the importance of interfaces and have the technical expertise will ­employ catalog overlays such as SOPAC 2.0 and Vufind.
00:36 libsysguy    you should check out what im working on then :p
00:36 gmcharlt     Brooke: I'm not sure I necessarily disagree with that post -- although a lot of OPACs are _not_ things that I'd want to buidl the rest of a library's website around for
00:36 * Brooke     really, really needs to get round to both the gender thing and the achievement system thing.
00:36 Brooke       I likes me some burnin' and rebuildin'
00:36 libsysguy    :)
00:36 libsysguy    aww thanks brooke
00:36 Brooke       libsysguy++
00:36 Brooke       jcamins++
00:36 Brooke       oleonard++
00:35 Brooke       oleonard ftw :D
00:35 jcamins      oleonard started on that.
00:35 jcamins      That'd be very nice.
00:35 libsysguy    sweet freeedom
00:35 libsysguy    it would be…free of yui
00:35 Brooke       a new opac.css would be sexy, methinks
00:35 Brooke       ooooh
00:34 libsysguy    jcamins I am about tempted to burn prog and start my own theme
00:34 jcamins      libsysguy: bad news. My solution was to rewrite opac.css.
00:34 jcamins_away libsysguy: I had problems with that too.
00:33 Brooke       http://www.walkingpaper.org/5300?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+walkingpaper/full+%28Walking+Paper%29
00:33 Brooke       anyone else annoyed by
00:33 jcamins_away Hehe.
00:32 libsysguy    then the yui resets take precedence which shouldn't happen
00:32 libsysguy    almost…till you start putting elements like they would be in a normal page
00:29 Brooke       o/
00:29 jcamins_away That looks just about right.
00:28 jcamins_away oleonard is working on it, but it's going to take a while.
00:28 jcamins_away There is.
00:28 jcamins_away Sorry, I was in the other room.
00:24 libsysguy    any protips jcamins_away
00:09 libsysguy    wasn't there talk at some point of killing the yui model
00:08 libsysguy    im trying to make it fit in here http://library.uttyler.edu/
00:08 libsysguy    http://catalog.uttyler.edu/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=lasers
00:08 libsysguy    but im already shifting the dom around with js a ton…I might as well alter it some more
00:07 libsysguy    *uniquely*
00:07 libsysguy    so it is impossible to select them without js
00:07 libsysguy    but the facetcontainer and the results both have a wrapper class of yui-b
00:06 libsysguy    make the opac-results float correctly
00:06 jcamins_away libsysguy: what are you trying to do?
00:05 * libsysguy  is about to kill yui