IRC log for #koha, 2012-02-19

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01:02 wizzyrea joined #koha
01:02 wizzyrea oh hi there.
01:02 jcamins_away Saltine toffee candy?
01:02 jcamins_away What do you think, wizzyrea?
01:02 jcamins_away Good idea?
01:03 wizzyrea i think it would be amazing.
01:03 wizzyrea reminds me of the xmas trick of buying pretzels, then stacking a rolo candy and a pecan then baking for 3 minutes
01:03 wizzyrea but less work.
01:05 jcamins_away :)
01:05 * jcamins_away shall make some then.
01:05 jcamins_away To go with the cookies currently in the oven and the two batches of fudge in the fridge.
01:10 jcamins_away wizzyrea: this is what I'm making:[…]altine_toffee.htm
01:11 wizzyrea spud and I just wow'd at this:
01:22 dani How goes?
01:41 wizzyrea ah well enuf
01:42 dani :)
01:44 jcamins_away There aren't enough saltines!! :'(
01:47 dani Doh!
01:47 dani Thought I'd drop in. I'm rarely around much these days.
01:50 dani New job is great but *busy* and I'm a university student as well.
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05:46 cait good morning #koha
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10:20 mbalmer salvate!
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13:26 cait silent
15:10 mbalmer (psssst!)
15:33 jcamins_away Bug 5843.
15:33 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5843 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , semicolon preceded by space in 490 subfield a (Series statement) causes search to time out
15:33 jcamins_away Think I can reproduce it?
15:33 jcamins_away It was quite a big problem back in 3.2.
15:34 jcamins_away But I haven't noticed it in a while.
15:36 cait hmm
15:36 cait let me see the report
15:37 * jcamins is testing.
15:37 cait hm
15:37 cait I don't think we use $v in the link
15:37 jcamins No, of course not.
15:37 cait a
15:37 cait h
15:37 jcamins That's correct.
15:38 cait I think I understand now
15:38 cait $a ends with ;
15:38 jcamins C4::Search--
15:38 jcamins Right.
15:38 jcamins C4::Search--
15:39 jcamins C4::Search--
15:40 cait C4::Search--
15:40 cait @karma
15:40 huginn cait: Highest karma: "rangi" (511), "oleonard" (440), and "wizzyrea" (293).  Lowest karma: "<!" (-109), "failed" (-71), and "-" (-41).  You (cait) are ranked 6 out of 1962.
15:40 jcamins @karma C4::Search
15:40 huginn jcamins: Karma for "C4::Search" has been increased 0 times and decreased 16 times for a total karma of -16.
15:40 cait hm still not lowest karma
15:40 cait @karma
15:40 huginn cait: Karma for "" has been increased 0 times and decreased 2 times for a total karma of -2.
15:44 jcamins cait: could you try 5328?
15:44 cait bug 5328
15:44 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5328 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , Patron Messaging Preferences Table Is Missing Checkboxes
15:44 cait oh
15:44 cait I thought that was fixe
15:44 cait d
15:45 cait give me a sec, I will look at it after 6735
15:45 jcamins cait: it works for me.
15:45 jcamins cait: but I want a second opinion, since I don't use that area much.
15:49 cait ok
15:49 cait i wil take a look :)
15:49 cait we should get some numbers
15:50 jcamins Numbers for what?
15:53 cait uhoh
15:53 cait like total bugs
15:53 cait before we sart
15:53 cait can you check something?
15:53 cait I activated enhancedmessaging
15:53 cait searched for a patron
15:54 cait and clicked on the edit link for the enh messaging table
15:54 cait and I see the heading, but not the table, nothing
15:55 jcamins Uh-oh.
15:55 jcamins Yikes!
15:55 jcamins Same thing here.
15:55 cait ok
15:55 cait hey, it can be reproduced
15:55 cait that's good at least
15:55 jcamins :/
15:55 cait it works from the detail page with all fields for me
15:55 cait so what's going wrong here hm
15:57 cait I see no errors in the log or in javascript
16:02 cait jcamins: any ideas?
16:02 wahanui any ideas are welcome :)
16:03 jcamins cait: none. :(
16:04 cait ok
16:04 cait I have filed 7558
16:04 cait now going to look at the messaging problem
16:06 jcamins FTR, it's a miracle works at all.
16:06 jcamins I can't follow the code at all.
16:09 cait yeah
16:09 cait it needs a rewrite
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16:09 cait it#s also horrible to translate
16:09 cait lots of combined strings
16:09 cait does not make any sense at all with different grammar
16:10 cait I am checking git for recent changes
16:14 cait I am not spotting it
16:18 cait jcamins: have you figured out what opadd is?
16:21 cait :(
16:22 cait even if I set all the if to 1 it's still not showing up
16:22 janPasi translating koha is really... hmm... interesting
16:23 janPasi though i haven't actually traslated anything in 3.x series
16:23 cait what is your problem janPasi?
16:23 janPasi it was the older koha with nelsonville templates
16:23 janPasi numerous :D
16:23 cait start withone?
16:23 janPasi english really doesn't translate well to finnish
16:23 janPasi from and to
16:24 janPasi we express it completely differently
16:24 janPasi we don't have anything that even close resembles the words from and to
16:24 janPasi because we use cases for that
16:24 janPasi which means suffixing words (or rather word-bodies) with the suffix on the case in question
16:25 janPasi but that's not specifically a problem with koha
16:25 janPasi it's a problem with any software translation
16:27 janPasi so the way you would even begin translating words like that would depend highly on the context
16:27 janPasi which isn't always clear in koha or other software
16:27 cait i understand
16:27 cait not sure how to resolve this .(
16:28 janPasi me neither :D
16:28 janPasi don't worry, it's not your fault ;D
16:28 cait you could start with a bug, explainign the problem and perhaps suggesting how it shoudl be built to make it easier
16:28 mbalmer perkileinen!
16:28 janPasi mbalmer: that doesn't really mean anything ;D
16:28 janPasi perkeleinen would mean a small perkele
16:28 mbalmer but it sounds finnish, you must admit that ;)
16:29 janPasi a diminutive swearword
16:29 mbalmer yes.
16:29 janPasi it's cute really :D
16:29 mbalmer it's used in the BSD community, or at least some
16:29 janPasi perkeleellinen would mean something like hellish
16:31 janPasi well, like i said
16:31 janPasi i haven't tried translating 3.x koha versions
16:31 janPasi so i can't really tell much about the problems with that
16:33 mbalmer janPasi, the words comes from Elaekeleiset, iirc
16:33 janPasi that's also wrong ;)
16:33 janPasi you can't substitute ä with ae in finnish
16:33 mbalmer Eläkeleiset, then ;)
16:33 janPasi yeah, that's correct :)
16:34 janPasi well almost, it's Eläkeläiset
16:34 mbalmer perfectionist ;)
16:34 janPasi :D
16:34 janPasi well can and cat are two different things, aren't they ;)
16:35 janPasi as are cat and cut
16:36 janPasi in the same way same way hänkö? = (s)he?
16:36 janPasi hanko = pitchfork
16:36 janPasi haenko? = shall i get?
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16:37 mbalmer haenko hanko?, shall I get a pitchfork?
16:38 janPasi almost, haenko hangon
16:38 janPasi would be correct :D
16:38 janPasi hangon = the whole pitchfork
16:40 janPasi the case in that is genitive
16:40 janPasi that's why it becomes hangon, instead of hanko
16:41 janPasi we have 13 cases
16:42 janPasi and then some that are limited
16:44 cait hah, take this you bug!
16:44 cait 13!
16:44 cait and I thought russian was bad with
16:44 cait 6
16:45 jcamins cait++
16:47 janPasi well, hungarian and estonian have more ;D
16:47 janPasi and if you use the wrong case, then the meaning changes (of course)
16:48 janPasi haenko hankoa? = am i searching for a pitchfork?
16:48 janPasi that would be partitive case
16:49 janPasi you sort of wish to see a part of the pirchfork in question ;D
16:50 janPasi pitchfork even
16:53 cait glad I never tried to learn finnish :)
16:53 cait jcamins: patch is ready for testing ;)
16:53 cait if you actually have time to take a look, plz check I didn't break the passwort thingy
16:54 jcamins bug 7559?
16:54 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7559 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Edit links for patron attributes and messaging preferences are broken
16:54 cait gonna look at 7558 next
16:54 cait bug 7558
16:54 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7558 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, NEW , Serial issue note doubled up in full history
16:55 jcamins You mean the new default password thing, right?
16:57 janPasi cait: well... it's slightly different, that's for sure :D
16:58 cait jcamins: right :)
16:59 cait janPasi: I already thought everyone trying to learn german is insane... now I think perhpas learning finnish is worse :)
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16:59 janPasi that probably depends where you originally come from
16:59 janPasi and what is your native language
17:00 janPasi but yeah, finnish is notoriously difficult for most europeans
17:00 janPasi italians pick up the pronunciation immediately, though
17:00 janPasi they produce flawless finnish in no time at all
17:01 janPasi but i think the case-system is just as difficult for them as it is to other europeans
17:01 janPasi in addition, there are other things you need to worry about
17:01 janPasi like the vowel-harmony
17:02 jcamins That's what scared me off Hungarian.
17:02 janPasi i love the sound of hungarian
17:02 janPasi it's one of my favourite languages, definitely
17:02 janPasi though i don't speak a word of it :D
17:04 jcamins How does the auto-password thing work?
17:04 cait jcamins: not sure :P
17:04 jcamins cait: I can't figure it out.
17:04 cait hm
17:04 cait let me see
17:04 cait janPasi: :)
17:05 cait jcamins: the link looks a bit weird to me
17:05 cait I am looking at th eform that you reach from the toolbar
17:05 jcamins Ah.
17:06 * jcamins didn't expect it to be there.
17:06 cait it doesn't look right I think
17:06 cait and my entry is not masked?
17:06 jcamins It's not supposed to be masked.
17:06 cait ah ok
17:06 jcamins I think it works "properly."
17:06 cait but why have 2 field sthen?
17:06 cait I think it works nicely in the patron edit form
17:06 cait but the change password screen from the toolbar looks kinda wrong
17:07 cait hm should make a mental note to ask owen about it
17:07 jcamins cait: because you can also specify a password yourself.
17:07 cait yes, but the link still looks wrong
17:08 jcamins It does, but it looks like that with or without the patch.
17:09 cait yep
17:09 cait didn't touch that part
17:09 janPasi how many tables are there in koha database?
17:09 cait hm around 130 I think
17:10 jcamins janPasi: 134.
17:10 cait :)
17:10 janPasi that's a lot :D
17:10 cait it could be worse :)
17:11 cait do you have a specific question?
17:11 jcamins Why aren't I making biscuits right now?
17:11 cait because we distracted you
17:11 jcamins So you did.
17:11 jcamins Shame on you.
17:14 janPasi specific question, me?
17:14 janPasi errm... no, not really
17:14 janPasi not at the moment anyway
17:14 jcamins Also, why isn't the cinnamon bread done? :(
17:15 janPasi i just thought i'd comment the translation thingy
17:15 janPasi since i've been doing something with it
17:21 cait not even the cinnamon bread!
17:21 jcamins cait: no!
17:23 cait scandalous!
17:26 jcamins Now it's done.
17:26 jcamins And delicious.
17:27 cait yum
17:30 janPasi hmm
17:30 janPasi what kind of bread is cinnamon bread?
17:30 janPasi it it sweet?
17:30 janPasi is it, even
17:30 janPasi or salty bread with cinnamon?
17:33 jcamins Sweet.
17:33 jcamins I made...
17:33 janPasi ok, i see :)
17:33 jcamins This:[…]24-recipe-10.html
17:34 jcamins Well, except no raisins.
17:34 janPasi i see
17:34 jcamins And a mixture of flours.
17:34 janPasi looks nice
17:34 jcamins And some milk to replace some of the water.
17:35 janPasi so it's like that, but nothing at all like that :D
17:35 jcamins Now you got it. :)
17:35 jcamins Biscuit time.
17:35 * jcamins goes forth to make mozzarella-hot pepper biscuits.
17:38 cait mmh
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18:50 rangi Morning
18:50 cait morning rangi
18:56 * jcamins waits impatiently for the biscuits to be done.
18:57 jcamins Morning, rangi.
18:57 rangi Hi cait and jcamins
18:58 * cait waits impatiently for the biscuits too ;)
19:01 jcamins Almost done. :)
19:02 jcamins What else should I bake?
19:02 cait hmmm
19:02 jcamins I have brownies, sandtarts, two varieties of fudge, club cracker chocolate toffee candies, beer bread, cinnamon bread, mozzarella-hot pepper biscuits...
19:02 jcamins Actually, I think that's about it.
19:02 cait oooh
19:02 cait I so want to taste all that
19:10 jcamins These biscuits are weird.
19:10 cait I can take care of them for you...
19:11 jcamins :)
19:43 jcamins Hehe.
19:43 * jcamins likes the description of bug 4321.
19:44 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4321 minor, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , C4::Biblio::GetBiblio is badly coded
19:44 cait badly coded?
19:44 cait :)
19:44 jcamins Yup. That's the entire description of the problem.
19:46 jcamins Has anyone used bulkmarcimport recently?
20:06 cait nope
20:07 cait jcamins++
20:10 jcamins What did I do?
20:13 cait bug work :)
20:19 jcamins Ah. :)
20:22 rangi hmm corporate author .. thats 110 .. so authority is 410 right?
20:22 jcamins rangi: 110.
20:23 jcamins 410 would be see-from.
20:23 rangi ah ta
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20:24 Space_Librarian o/ Morning all!
20:25 rangi hi Space_Librarian
20:26 Space_Librarian hey Rangi
20:29 cait morning Space_Librarian
20:29 rangi jcamins: and publisher?
20:30 jcamins rangi: you just use corporate headings for authors: 110/410/510 in authorities.
20:30 rangi ahh for publisher too? sweet as
20:30 rangi cool thanks
20:30 rangi and last one, is series
20:31 jcamins Series is trickier.
20:32 jcamins Probably 130/430/530, but it's also possible to have a series under x00 or x10.
20:32 rangi hmm yeah
20:32 rangi ill go for the 130 ones
20:32 rangi the nice thing is, no sees (from or also in these ones)
20:33 jcamins Yeah, that's good.
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21:05 rangi Space_Librarian: are you on the nz-libs mailing list?
21:07 Space_Librarian I am
21:07 rangi did my rant come through?
21:07 * jcamins is sorry he missed rangi's rant.
21:07 rangi heh
21:08 Space_Librarian I'll get it at midday with the digest. You're ranting? Can't wait!
21:08 rangi i did on saturday
21:08 cait lol
21:08 rangi but i fear it never made it through
21:08 cait no archives?
21:09 rangi no public ones
21:10 rangi hmm nope it didnt weird
21:10 * rangi will paste it for posterity
21:10 Space_Librarian no, it didn't. Just checked...
21:12 pastebot "rangi" at pasted "words have meaning rant" (45 lines) at
21:13 ibeardslee nice
21:15 rangi maybe it doesnt like it when you only cc the list .. who knows
21:16 rangi i feel better for having written it anyway :)
21:21 Space_Librarian nicely put!
21:21 jcamins :)
21:21 jcamins Very nice.
21:30 mbalmer evening.  or should I say "night" ;)
21:40 eythian I just got a spam that I think was a stock pumping one under the guise of someone looking for a job. It was quite odd.
21:43 Space_Librarian sounds odd indeed
21:44 jcamins "If you give me a job I'll give you a can't-miss stock tip"?
21:45 eythian No, "I'm looking for a job. As well as being a web designer, I also look at the stock market and recently bought shares in XXXX at $1/share. [snip a paragraph about why that's a good investment] I also like to cook, and my favourite dish is...."
21:46 jcamins lol
21:48 Space_Librarian inventive
21:48 cjh heh
21:49 jcamins cjh: how goes the testing of 7284? Did you see I rebased?
22:03 eythian <-- interesting
22:04 eythian especially point 3, which is an aspect I'd never thought of but makes a lot of sense
22:04 jcamins YUP.
22:04 jcamins Sorry about the caps.
22:04 eythian I just thought you were excited about it.
22:05 jcamins lol
22:07 rangi speaking of which
22:08 jcamins Exciting things like bug 7284? :)
22:08 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7284 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Authority matching algorithm improvements
22:08 rangi we should really upgrade our distribution to gpl v3 or later
22:09 cjh jcamins: havent looked at your new rebase, after dealing with the zebra reindexing issue it seemed atleast as good as the old script for the data i was using, will test some more a little later
22:09 jcamins :)
22:09 rangi all the debain/scripts/* already are so technically we need to either strip them
22:09 rangi or release as gplv3
22:09 jcamins cjh: if you wanted to note that on the bug, that'd be great.
22:10 jcamins Sign off also much-appreciated. :)
22:10 eythian rangi: well, it basically means that the distribution is GPL3 unless you strip out those scripts, as the GPL2 stuff will auto-upgrade.
22:10 rangi thats what i mean
22:10 eythian oh OK
22:11 rangi but our LICENSE file is gpl2
22:11 rangi ie, we are doing it wrong :)
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22:11 rangi or at least confusingly
22:11 rangi maybe ill put it on the agenda for next irc meeting
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22:58 eythian
22:59 jcamins eythian: lol
22:59 * jcamins needed that.
23:08 Space_Librarian rangi, I see your rant didn't even make it to today's digest
23:08 rangi yeah it must be in moderation queue
23:08 rangi or just thrown on the floor
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