Time Nick Message 01:02 wizzyrea oh hi there. 01:02 jcamins_away Saltine toffee candy? 01:02 jcamins_away What do you think, wizzyrea? 01:02 jcamins_away Good idea? 01:03 wizzyrea i think it would be amazing. 01:03 wizzyrea reminds me of the xmas trick of buying pretzels, then stacking a rolo candy and a pecan then baking for 3 minutes 01:03 wizzyrea but less work. 01:05 jcamins_away :) 01:05 * jcamins_away shall make some then. 01:05 jcamins_away To go with the cookies currently in the oven and the two batches of fudge in the fridge. 01:10 jcamins_away wizzyrea: this is what I'm making: http://candy.about.com/od/toffeerecipes/r/saltine_toffee.htm 01:11 wizzyrea spud and I just wow'd at this: http://youtu.be/BVsIAa2XNKc 01:22 dani How goes? 01:41 wizzyrea ah well enuf 01:42 dani :) 01:44 jcamins_away There aren't enough saltines!! :'( 01:47 dani Doh! 01:47 dani Thought I'd drop in. I'm rarely around much these days. 01:50 dani New job is great but *busy* and I'm a university student as well. 05:46 cait good morning #koha 10:20 mbalmer salvate! 13:26 cait silent 15:10 mbalmer (psssst!) 15:33 jcamins_away Bug 5843. 15:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5843 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , semicolon preceded by space in 490 subfield a (Series statement) causes search to time out 15:33 jcamins_away Think I can reproduce it? 15:33 jcamins_away It was quite a big problem back in 3.2. 15:34 jcamins_away But I haven't noticed it in a while. 15:36 cait hmm 15:36 cait let me see the report 15:37 * jcamins is testing. 15:37 cait hm 15:37 cait I don't think we use $v in the link 15:37 jcamins No, of course not. 15:37 cait a 15:37 cait h 15:37 jcamins That's correct. 15:38 cait I think I understand now 15:38 cait $a ends with ; 15:38 jcamins C4::Search-- 15:38 jcamins Right. 15:38 jcamins C4::Search-- 15:39 jcamins C4::Search-- 15:40 cait C4::Search-- 15:40 cait @karma 15:40 huginn cait: Highest karma: "rangi" (511), "oleonard" (440), and "wizzyrea" (293). Lowest karma: "<!" (-109), "failed" (-71), and "-" (-41). You (cait) are ranked 6 out of 1962. 15:40 jcamins @karma C4::Search 15:40 huginn jcamins: Karma for "C4::Search" has been increased 0 times and decreased 16 times for a total karma of -16. 15:40 cait hm still not lowest karma 15:40 cait @karma Search.pm 15:40 huginn cait: Karma for "Search.pm" has been increased 0 times and decreased 2 times for a total karma of -2. 15:44 jcamins cait: could you try 5328? 15:44 cait bug 5328 15:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5328 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , Patron Messaging Preferences Table Is Missing Checkboxes 15:44 cait oh 15:44 cait I thought that was fixe 15:44 cait d 15:45 cait give me a sec, I will look at it after 6735 15:45 jcamins cait: it works for me. 15:45 jcamins cait: but I want a second opinion, since I don't use that area much. 15:49 cait ok 15:49 cait i wil take a look :) 15:49 cait we should get some numbers 15:50 jcamins Numbers for what? 15:53 cait uhoh 15:53 cait like total bugs 15:53 cait before we sart 15:53 cait can you check something? 15:53 cait I activated enhancedmessaging 15:53 cait searched for a patron 15:54 cait and clicked on the edit link for the enh messaging table 15:54 cait and I see the heading, but not the table, nothing 15:55 jcamins Uh-oh. 15:55 jcamins Yikes! 15:55 jcamins Same thing here. 15:55 cait ok 15:55 cait hey, it can be reproduced 15:55 cait that's good at least 15:55 jcamins :/ 15:55 cait it works from the detail page with all fields for me 15:55 cait so what's going wrong here hm 15:57 cait I see no errors in the log or in javascript 16:02 cait jcamins: any ideas? 16:02 wahanui any ideas are welcome :) 16:03 jcamins cait: none. :( 16:04 cait ok 16:04 cait I have filed 7558 16:04 cait now going to look at the messaging problem 16:06 jcamins FTR, it's a miracle memberentry.pl works at all. 16:06 jcamins I can't follow the code at all. 16:09 cait yeah 16:09 cait it needs a rewrite 16:09 cait it#s also horrible to translate 16:09 cait lots of combined strings 16:09 cait does not make any sense at all with different grammar 16:10 cait I am checking git for recent changes 16:14 cait I am not spotting it 16:18 cait jcamins: have you figured out what opadd is? 16:21 cait :( 16:22 cait even if I set all the if to 1 it's still not showing up 16:22 janPasi translating koha is really... hmm... interesting 16:23 janPasi though i haven't actually traslated anything in 3.x series 16:23 cait what is your problem janPasi? 16:23 janPasi it was the older koha with nelsonville templates 16:23 janPasi numerous :D 16:23 cait start withone? 16:23 janPasi english really doesn't translate well to finnish 16:23 janPasi from and to 16:24 janPasi we express it completely differently 16:24 janPasi we don't have anything that even close resembles the words from and to 16:24 janPasi because we use cases for that 16:24 janPasi which means suffixing words (or rather word-bodies) with the suffix on the case in question 16:25 janPasi but that's not specifically a problem with koha 16:25 janPasi it's a problem with any software translation 16:27 janPasi so the way you would even begin translating words like that would depend highly on the context 16:27 janPasi which isn't always clear in koha or other software 16:27 cait i understand 16:27 cait not sure how to resolve this .( 16:28 janPasi me neither :D 16:28 janPasi don't worry, it's not your fault ;D 16:28 cait you could start with a bug, explainign the problem and perhaps suggesting how it shoudl be built to make it easier 16:28 mbalmer perkileinen! 16:28 janPasi mbalmer: that doesn't really mean anything ;D 16:28 janPasi perkeleinen would mean a small perkele 16:28 mbalmer but it sounds finnish, you must admit that ;) 16:29 janPasi a diminutive swearword 16:29 mbalmer yes. 16:29 janPasi it's cute really :D 16:29 mbalmer it's used in the BSD community, or at least some 16:29 janPasi perkeleellinen would mean something like hellish 16:31 janPasi well, like i said 16:31 janPasi i haven't tried translating 3.x koha versions 16:31 janPasi so i can't really tell much about the problems with that 16:33 mbalmer janPasi, the words comes from Elaekeleiset, iirc 16:33 janPasi that's also wrong ;) 16:33 janPasi you can't substitute ä with ae in finnish 16:33 mbalmer Eläkeleiset, then ;) 16:33 janPasi yeah, that's correct :) 16:34 janPasi well almost, it's Eläkeläiset 16:34 mbalmer perfectionist ;) 16:34 janPasi :D 16:34 janPasi well can and cat are two different things, aren't they ;) 16:35 janPasi as are cat and cut 16:36 janPasi in the same way same way hänkö? = (s)he? 16:36 janPasi hanko = pitchfork 16:36 janPasi haenko? = shall i get? 16:37 mbalmer haenko hanko?, shall I get a pitchfork? 16:38 janPasi almost, haenko hangon 16:38 janPasi would be correct :D 16:38 janPasi hangon = the whole pitchfork 16:40 janPasi the case in that is genitive 16:40 janPasi that's why it becomes hangon, instead of hanko 16:41 janPasi we have 13 cases 16:42 janPasi and then some that are limited 16:44 cait hah, take this you bug! 16:44 cait 13! 16:44 cait and I thought russian was bad with 16:44 cait 6 16:45 jcamins cait++ 16:47 janPasi well, hungarian and estonian have more ;D 16:47 janPasi and if you use the wrong case, then the meaning changes (of course) 16:48 janPasi haenko hankoa? = am i searching for a pitchfork? 16:48 janPasi that would be partitive case 16:49 janPasi you sort of wish to see a part of the pirchfork in question ;D 16:50 janPasi pitchfork even 16:53 cait glad I never tried to learn finnish :) 16:53 cait jcamins: patch is ready for testing ;) 16:53 cait if you actually have time to take a look, plz check I didn't break the passwort thingy 16:54 jcamins bug 7559? 16:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7559 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Edit links for patron attributes and messaging preferences are broken 16:54 cait gonna look at 7558 next 16:54 cait bug 7558 16:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7558 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, NEW , Serial issue note doubled up in full history 16:55 jcamins You mean the new default password thing, right? 16:57 janPasi cait: well... it's slightly different, that's for sure :D 16:58 cait jcamins: right :) 16:59 cait janPasi: I already thought everyone trying to learn german is insane... now I think perhpas learning finnish is worse :) 16:59 janPasi that probably depends where you originally come from 16:59 janPasi and what is your native language 17:00 janPasi but yeah, finnish is notoriously difficult for most europeans 17:00 janPasi italians pick up the pronunciation immediately, though 17:00 janPasi they produce flawless finnish in no time at all 17:01 janPasi but i think the case-system is just as difficult for them as it is to other europeans 17:01 janPasi in addition, there are other things you need to worry about 17:01 janPasi like the vowel-harmony 17:02 jcamins That's what scared me off Hungarian. 17:02 janPasi i love the sound of hungarian 17:02 janPasi it's one of my favourite languages, definitely 17:02 janPasi though i don't speak a word of it :D 17:04 jcamins How does the auto-password thing work? 17:04 cait jcamins: not sure :P 17:04 jcamins cait: I can't figure it out. 17:04 cait hm 17:04 cait let me see 17:04 cait janPasi: :) 17:05 cait jcamins: the link looks a bit weird to me 17:05 cait I am looking at th eform that you reach from the toolbar 17:05 jcamins Ah. 17:06 * jcamins didn't expect it to be there. 17:06 cait it doesn't look right I think 17:06 cait and my entry is not masked? 17:06 jcamins It's not supposed to be masked. 17:06 cait ah ok 17:06 jcamins I think it works "properly." 17:06 cait but why have 2 field sthen? 17:06 cait I think it works nicely in the patron edit form 17:06 cait but the change password screen from the toolbar looks kinda wrong 17:07 cait hm should make a mental note to ask owen about it 17:07 jcamins cait: because you can also specify a password yourself. 17:07 cait yes, but the link still looks wrong 17:08 jcamins It does, but it looks like that with or without the patch. 17:09 cait yep 17:09 cait didn't touch that part 17:09 janPasi how many tables are there in koha database? 17:09 cait hm around 130 I think 17:10 jcamins janPasi: 134. 17:10 cait :) 17:10 janPasi that's a lot :D 17:10 cait it could be worse :) 17:11 cait do you have a specific question? 17:11 jcamins Why aren't I making biscuits right now? 17:11 cait because we distracted you 17:11 jcamins So you did. 17:11 jcamins Shame on you. 17:14 janPasi specific question, me? 17:14 janPasi errm... no, not really 17:14 janPasi not at the moment anyway 17:14 jcamins Also, why isn't the cinnamon bread done? :( 17:15 janPasi i just thought i'd comment the translation thingy 17:15 janPasi since i've been doing something with it 17:21 cait not even the cinnamon bread! 17:21 jcamins cait: no! 17:23 cait scandalous! 17:26 jcamins Now it's done. 17:26 jcamins And delicious. 17:27 cait yum 17:30 janPasi hmm 17:30 janPasi what kind of bread is cinnamon bread? 17:30 janPasi it it sweet? 17:30 janPasi is it, even 17:30 janPasi or salty bread with cinnamon? 17:33 jcamins Sweet. 17:33 jcamins I made... 17:33 janPasi ok, i see :) 17:33 jcamins This: http://budgetbytes.blogspot.com/2011/01/cinnamon-raisin-bread-124-recipe-10.html 17:34 jcamins Well, except no raisins. 17:34 janPasi i see 17:34 jcamins And a mixture of flours. 17:34 janPasi looks nice 17:34 jcamins And some milk to replace some of the water. 17:35 janPasi so it's like that, but nothing at all like that :D 17:35 jcamins Now you got it. :) 17:35 jcamins Biscuit time. 17:35 * jcamins goes forth to make mozzarella-hot pepper biscuits. 17:38 cait mmh 18:50 rangi Morning 18:50 cait morning rangi 18:56 * jcamins waits impatiently for the biscuits to be done. 18:57 jcamins Morning, rangi. 18:57 rangi Hi cait and jcamins 18:58 * cait waits impatiently for the biscuits too ;) 19:01 jcamins Almost done. :) 19:02 jcamins What else should I bake? 19:02 cait hmmm 19:02 jcamins I have brownies, sandtarts, two varieties of fudge, club cracker chocolate toffee candies, beer bread, cinnamon bread, mozzarella-hot pepper biscuits... 19:02 jcamins Actually, I think that's about it. 19:02 cait oooh 19:02 cait I so want to taste all that 19:10 jcamins These biscuits are weird. 19:10 cait I can take care of them for you... 19:11 jcamins :) 19:43 jcamins Hehe. 19:43 * jcamins likes the description of bug 4321. 19:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4321 minor, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , C4::Biblio::GetBiblio is badly coded 19:44 cait badly coded? 19:44 cait :) 19:44 jcamins Yup. That's the entire description of the problem. 19:46 jcamins Has anyone used bulkmarcimport recently? 20:06 cait nope 20:07 cait jcamins++ 20:10 jcamins What did I do? 20:13 cait bug work :) 20:19 jcamins Ah. :) 20:22 rangi hmm corporate author .. thats 110 .. so authority is 410 right? 20:22 jcamins rangi: 110. 20:23 jcamins 410 would be see-from. 20:23 rangi ah ta 20:24 Space_Librarian o/ Morning all! 20:25 rangi hi Space_Librarian 20:26 Space_Librarian hey Rangi 20:29 cait morning Space_Librarian 20:29 rangi jcamins: and publisher? 20:30 jcamins rangi: you just use corporate headings for authors: 110/410/510 in authorities. 20:30 rangi ahh for publisher too? sweet as 20:30 rangi cool thanks 20:30 rangi and last one, is series 20:31 jcamins Series is trickier. 20:32 jcamins Probably 130/430/530, but it's also possible to have a series under x00 or x10. 20:32 rangi hmm yeah 20:32 rangi ill go for the 130 ones 20:32 rangi the nice thing is, no sees (from or also in these ones) 20:33 jcamins Yeah, that's good. 21:05 rangi Space_Librarian: are you on the nz-libs mailing list? 21:07 Space_Librarian I am 21:07 rangi did my rant come through? 21:07 * jcamins is sorry he missed rangi's rant. 21:07 rangi heh 21:08 Space_Librarian I'll get it at midday with the digest. You're ranting? Can't wait! 21:08 rangi i did on saturday 21:08 cait lol 21:08 rangi but i fear it never made it through 21:08 cait no archives? 21:09 rangi no public ones 21:10 rangi hmm nope it didnt weird 21:10 * rangi will paste it for posterity 21:10 Space_Librarian no, it didn't. Just checked... 21:12 pastebot "rangi" at 202.78.240.7 pasted "words have meaning rant" (45 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/263 21:13 ibeardslee nice 21:15 rangi maybe it doesnt like it when you only cc the list .. who knows 21:16 rangi i feel better for having written it anyway :) 21:21 Space_Librarian nicely put! 21:21 jcamins :) 21:21 jcamins Very nice. 21:30 mbalmer evening. or should I say "night" ;) 21:40 eythian I just got a spam that I think was a stock pumping one under the guise of someone looking for a job. It was quite odd. 21:43 Space_Librarian sounds odd indeed 21:44 jcamins "If you give me a job I'll give you a can't-miss stock tip"? 21:45 eythian No, "I'm looking for a job. As well as being a web designer, I also look at the stock market and recently bought shares in XXXX at $1/share. [snip a paragraph about why that's a good investment] I also like to cook, and my favourite dish is...." 21:46 jcamins lol 21:48 Space_Librarian inventive 21:48 cjh heh 21:49 jcamins cjh: how goes the testing of 7284? Did you see I rebased? 22:03 eythian http://www.debian.org/legal/patent <-- interesting 22:04 eythian especially point 3, which is an aspect I'd never thought of but makes a lot of sense 22:04 jcamins YUP. 22:04 jcamins Sorry about the caps. 22:04 eythian I just thought you were excited about it. 22:05 jcamins lol 22:07 rangi speaking of which 22:08 jcamins Exciting things like bug 7284? :) 22:08 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7284 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Authority matching algorithm improvements 22:08 rangi we should really upgrade our distribution to gpl v3 or later 22:09 cjh jcamins: havent looked at your new rebase, after dealing with the zebra reindexing issue it seemed atleast as good as the old script for the data i was using, will test some more a little later 22:09 jcamins :) 22:09 rangi all the debain/scripts/* already are so technically we need to either strip them 22:09 rangi or release as gplv3 22:09 jcamins cjh: if you wanted to note that on the bug, that'd be great. 22:10 jcamins Sign off also much-appreciated. :) 22:10 eythian rangi: well, it basically means that the distribution is GPL3 unless you strip out those scripts, as the GPL2 stuff will auto-upgrade. 22:10 rangi thats what i mean 22:10 eythian oh OK 22:11 rangi but our LICENSE file is gpl2 22:11 rangi ie, we are doing it wrong :) 22:11 rangi or at least confusingly 22:11 rangi maybe ill put it on the agenda for next irc meeting 22:58 eythian http://i.imgur.com/aRMcz.png 22:59 jcamins eythian: lol 22:59 * jcamins needed that. 23:08 Space_Librarian rangi, I see your rant didn't even make it to today's digest 23:08 rangi yeah it must be in moderation queue 23:08 rangi or just thrown on the floor