IRC log for #koha, 2012-01-25

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01:52 jcamins Hello kmkale.
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01:52 kmkale Namaste jcamins :)
01:53 jcamins 1633 was pushed today. :)
01:53 jcamins Well, yesterday for you.
01:54 kmkale YAY!!!
01:54 kmkale Thanks jcamins
01:55 * jcamins is very pleased about this.
01:57 kmkale too
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02:00 kmkale status still shows siigned-off, not ppushed?
02:01 jcamins That's the follow-up.
02:05 kmkale wow. That was *SOME* work from you jcamins
02:05 kmkale jcamins++
02:05 jcamins :) I do my best.
02:05 kmkale jcamins is the best
02:05 kmkale jcamins?
02:05 wahanui jcamins is an outstanding cook. or well-traveled and brilliant. or trying to think of a solution or awesome fixing broken email notifications or the wizard that forges queries in the deep fires of zebra or against all things wine.
02:05 kmkale heh
02:06 kmkale kmkale?
02:06 wahanui kmkale may be psychic.
02:06 kmkale :-D
02:06 jcamins :)
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03:30 AmitG heya bag
03:30 bag yo AMit
03:30 bag AmitG:
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03:34 libsysguy hey somebody told me bywater was working on a project with serials
03:35 libsysguy or maybe acquisitions
03:35 libsysguy anybody know what the story is on that?
03:35 jcamins libsysguy: BibLibre has a big acquisitions and serials project.
03:36 libsysguy hmm
03:36 libsysguy do you know if there is an RFC for it or a ticket?
03:36 jcamins Don't know if ByWater has anything going on with those modules, but bag would know.
03:36 bag hmm… what project?
03:36 libsysguy Margo was saying something about it...
03:36 AmitG heya jcamins
03:37 jcamins Hi AmitG.
03:37 libsysguy I am working on my senior project and there are some modifications or E-Resources librarian would like implemented
03:37 AmitG heya libsysguy
03:37 wahanui i heard libsysguy was Koha's hottest developer or partying with swedes on his deck
03:37 libsysguy hey AmitG!
03:37 bag go libsysguy++
03:38 libsysguy and I just wanted to make sure what I was about to start working on wouldn't overlap
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03:38 AmitG heya kmkale
03:39 kmkale Namaste AmitG
03:39 bag libsysguy: is there a particular aspect that you are thinking of?
03:40 bag major developments that we've got working or hourly loans, print-slips, course reserves, and oclc connexion gateway
03:40 libsysguy yeah: Ability to edit invoices, add an invoice date field, add invoice notes field, add functionality to batch receive items
03:40 libsysguy those are listed as top priority for her
03:41 libsysguy she has a document typed up
03:41 bag I don't think we are working on those…  IRC
03:42 libsysguy ok cool, ill see if I can stalk some of the biblibre guys and make sure they aren't either
03:43 jcamins Bug 7163.
03:43 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7163 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , BibLibre acquisitions omnibus
03:43 libsysguy wow that is quite a ticket
03:43 libsysguy thanks for finding that jcamins++
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03:52 kmkale Namaste bag :)
03:52 bag hey kmkale
03:52 bag :)
03:58 kmkale getting a 'Can't call method "append_fields" on an undefined value at  /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.0/MARC/File/
03:58 kmkale any clue?
03:58 kmkale happens while updating a item
03:59 kmkale sorry adding an item
04:00 bag try about 13 more times and it works :)
04:00 bag no seriously - that happened to us today
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04:14 kmkale whaaaaa?
04:14 jcamins kmkale: corrupted record.
04:14 jcamins Probably an unclosed tag.
04:15 jcamins Or a self-closing tag.
04:15 kmkale jcamins: resolution? delete record from biblio and biblioitems?
04:15 jcamins kmkale: that's the easy solution.
04:16 jcamins The other option is fixing the record.
04:16 jcamins The problem is in biblioitems.marcxml.
04:16 kmkale ok. If it allows editing, will try ficing esle its easier to delete and recreate
04:17 kmkale cold fingers. bad typing :(
04:17 libsysguy @wunder 75707
04:17 huginn` libsysguy: The current temperature in Lake Tyler -D3895, Tyler, Texas is 11.4�C (10:16 PM CST on January 24, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1015.5 hPa (Steady).
04:17 jcamins kmkale: in order to fix the record, you'll probably have to extract the XML from biblioitems, find the problem, fix it in a text editor, than update the field.
04:18 kmkale jcamins: yay!!. Be easier to delete and recreate..
04:18 libsysguy is there no edit option for the marcxml field
04:18 jcamins Probably.
04:18 libsysguy i don't think i've ever seen on
04:18 libsysguy one*
04:18 jcamins libsysguy: not when it's corrupted.
04:19 jcamins The cataloging module edits the MARCXML.
04:19 libsysguy oh ok, I didn't know if there was a raw edit
04:20 jcamins Nope.
04:20 libsysguy sad day…for situations like this :p
04:20 jcamins pianohacker did some work on a plain text interface.
04:20 rangi sled was working on a way to recover it from the marc column
04:21 libsysguy yeah I didn't know if somebody had done any work to implement it in plain text and add some syntax highlighting
04:21 rangi slef even
04:21 libsysguy lol I was like who is sled and does he live in the snow
04:21 * jcamins thought he wouldn't be working on Koha much, too many hills.
04:22 libsysguy hehe
04:22 jcamins And, with that thought, bed time.
04:22 jcamins Good night, #koha.
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04:43 cait good morning #koha
04:45 AmitG rangi around?
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04:51 AmitG heya cait
04:51 cait hi AmitG :)
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07:13 cait hi #koha
07:14 alex_a morning
07:16 cait hi alex_a :)
07:20 alex_a cait: bonjour :)
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07:35 magnuse kia ora #koha
07:35 cait good morning magnuse
07:36 magnuse guten morgen cait
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07:36 reiveune hello
07:37 magnuse bonjour!
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08:05 asaurat hallo!
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08:05 francharb hello
08:05 wahanui hi, francharb
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08:08 paul_p good morning #koha
08:11 AmitG heya paul_p
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08:19 kf hi again #koha
08:20 kf francharb++
08:20 francharb ;)
08:43 paul_p Lyon 3 university go live with Koha 3.6 today... I won't be available probably for the whole day !
08:47 kf it's koha
08:47 kf it will be all fine
08:47 kf :)
08:47 kf good luck and have fun paul_p
08:47 paul_p I feel it won't be fun, but thx for the good luck !
08:50 kf optimism is key :)
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08:58 alex_a shrc
09:00 kf shrc?
09:01 alex_a pfffff, i write on a chan, some letters goes in the right chan, others in an other chan :-/
09:03 alex_a so you can enjoy a part of what i say somewhere else
09:03 * kf enjoys then
09:03 magnuse fingers crossed for lyon3!
09:04 alex_a kf: shrc is the end of "bashrc" :)
09:04 kf aha!
09:05 alex_a an other game ?
09:05 kf heh
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10:07 magnuse anyone tried sending CHECKOUT messages by email in 3.6.x? i'm getting messages with the raw <<issues.issuingbranch>> and <<issues.date_due>> in them...
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10:08 kf uhoh
10:09 kf hmm
10:09 kf I always use items.content in there I think
10:09 kf let me check
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10:11 kf hmm
10:11 kf magnuse: I have only biblio tables available
10:11 kf not the issues table
10:11 kf in 3.2.2
10:11 kf and we use biblio.title
10:12 magnuse ah, i'm on 3.6.2
10:12 kf magnuse: and the field list doesn't offer issues to me
10:12 kf so perhaps added later
10:12 magnuse sound slike it
10:41 magnuse the description of the "CataloguingLog" syspref says "[Log] any changes to bibliographic or item records. Since this occurs whenever a book is checked in or out as well, it is not advisable to turn this on." - is that still true after we items were removed from the MARCXML?
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12:30 AmitG heya jwagner
12:30 jwagner Hi AmitG
12:33 kf_lunch magnus_afk: I think you are right - it can be changed
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13:06 kf_lunch silent day
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13:25 kmkale_ some queries about the "Record Matching Rules"
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13:26 kmkale_ Are the rules we set up used against records imported earlier in the same batch?
13:26 drojf good local time of the day #koha
13:27 kmkale_ I am importing a batch in a empty new Koha install and have set up a rule. I *KNOW* there are matching records in the batch, but the stage marc records page reported zero matches.
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13:32 hdl kmkale_: if the previously imported biblios are not indexed then no.
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13:34 hdl kf,  just received your pm on members page, and list.
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13:34 druthb o/
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13:39 kmkale_ so would the proper way be that i import only the biblios first ignoring items, index them, then run the same batch with ingnore matching biblios and always add items?
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13:58 kf_lunch hdl: list?
13:59 kf_lunch hdl: my test installation is at home - can only check german here
13:59 kf_lunch hdl: do you mean lists in opac? it can be your javascript needs a refresh perhaps
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14:00 kf_lunch hdl: members pages in staff seem ok tome too. hmm.
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14:07 hdl looked busted where I saw that.
14:12 kf_lunch hdl: no idea - Ih ave seen problems with the list button in the past
14:13 kf_lunch hdl: but on my current system it seems to work nicely. for the member page -perhaps some custom jquery?
14:14 hdl nope but never mind
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14:15 oleonard Oh, and Hi #koha.
14:16 magnus_afk kia ora oleonard
14:16 oleonard Fun fact about being me: When people start their sentences with "Oh, and" I think they're talking to me because it comes out "Oh, an'"
14:17 kf_lunch hi oleonard
14:17 kf_lunch :)
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14:22 * paul_p really in love with git !
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14:23 magnus_afk o/
14:23 * oleonard suggests that paul_p give git a lovely present for Valentine's Day
14:23 paul_p Lyon 3 has a really complex structure = git.koha-community => pre-prod server => apache server => zebra & opac server. With some git remote add, git push, git fetch, it's easy to update everything !
14:24 magnus_afk yay
14:24 paul_p (with some patches made by biblibre & some patches -texts or things like that- made by the library, so we also have 3 branches (master/biblibre/lyon3local)
14:25 paul_p 3 branches, 5 git repo, push/fetch/checkout everywhere :D :D
14:25 kf_lunch oleonard++ lol
14:26 kf_lunch git is mighty - but this sounds really complicated!
14:26 kf_lunch but you are smiling paul_p - so had fun? :)
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15:10 wizzyrea kf about?
15:10 * wizzyrea waves hi
15:11 wizzyrea also - why do we not have an all-all rule in the defaults?
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15:23 wizzyrea magnuse re: checkout messages, please have a look at 7001, which will overhaul that system.
15:23 wizzyrea I could use some help testing anyway
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15:33 magnus_away cool, i'll try to get a look at that
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16:15 vfernandes Hi guys
16:17 vfernandes anybody has experienced migrate record/items from Aleph to Koha?
16:20 jcamins_away vfernandes: I'm pretty sure it's been done, but I'm not sure by whom.
16:20 jcamins_away But I think I recall someone mentioning a migration from Aleph.
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16:21 vfernandes aleph has a database so complicated... :/
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16:40 kf wizzyrea: amn ow
16:41 wizzyrea kf I was looking at that bug 6539
16:41 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6539 minor, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, peter.lorimer, Signed Off , Z39.50 Search ISBN Field Populated with title
16:41 kf yes
16:41 wizzyrea the thing you noticed about kw,wrdl in the results
16:41 wizzyrea it's in master too :(
16:41 kf is a general problem
16:42 kf I think it's been like that for a longer timenow
16:42 kf you might even find it in 3.2.x - not sure
16:42 wizzyrea yea, it happens when you do it from a page with no results
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16:43 kf t
16:43 wizzyrea dk why i'm on about it, I'll just file a bug for the kw, wrdl thing.
16:44 wizzyrea unless you know of one already
16:45 kf no sorry :(
16:45 kf not aware of a bug report
16:45 wizzyrea k
16:45 kf seems I tested that a longer time ago?
16:46 kf how did you stumble upon it?
16:47 wizzyrea I had a librarian ask me why the ISBN's were going in the title search
16:47 wizzyrea which is wrong behavior :)
16:47 wizzyrea turns out there was a bug, and a patch
16:47 wizzyrea and failed qa for pretty trivial reasons.
16:47 wizzyrea of which were easily fixed.
16:47 wizzyrea but apparently the bug had been abandoned.
16:48 jcamins Apparently an actual instance of XC has been spotted in the wild.
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16:53 jcamins It is kind of cute, isn't it?
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16:55 kf oh where?
16:56 jcamins
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16:57 wizzyrea wait, what am I looking at
16:58 chris_n does anyone know off the top of their head what controls the order of the drop-down list for the 942 field in the marc editor?
16:58 jcamins chris_n: alphabetical order.
16:59 jcamins wizzyrea: an eXtensible Catalog installation.
16:59 wizzyrea oh i see
16:59 wizzyrea 942c?
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17:00 * chris_n 's catalogers are in a uproar because the order is inconvenient
17:00 jcamins chris_n: do what I do: put spaces in.
17:00 wizzyrea or number them.
17:00 wizzyrea but that is also inconvenient
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17:02 jcamins Spaces aren't visible, and you should be able to use multiple spaces to control the order.
17:02 jcamins Just don't decide to reorder things.
17:03 wizzyrea i think he's probably in the "this has been set for a while and now they want to reorder them" state
17:03 wizzyrea catalogers. Sheesh. ;)
17:03 wizzyrea (you know I love them)
17:06 chris_n heh
17:07 chris_n well, they just added some stuff which is seldom used but now shows at the top of the list
17:09 wizzyrea oooof
17:09 jcamins Make them rename the types to start with letters near the end of the alphabet.
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17:15 * oleonard got an unpleasant shock when he checked prices on flights to KohaCon12
17:16 jcamins oleonard: yeah, apparently it's much more expensive to go out in June than in January.
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17:18 kf jcamins :(
17:18 jcamins Five years ago (almost exactly!) I bought a round-trip ticket from Edinburgh to New York for less than $500 about a week before my trip.
17:19 kf perhaps to london and to edinburgh by train?
17:20 kf having another road trip could be fun
17:21 jcamins It's better, but still pricey.
17:21 kf hmpf
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17:36 jcamins Chester the blue cat says hi.
17:37 * kf waves at chester
17:37 kf bye all
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17:39 wizzyrea hi chester :)
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17:42 * oleonard learned of this for the first time today: CAN'T HUG EVERY CAT -- a song about loving cats
17:43 reiveune bye
17:43 wizzyrea lol
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17:43 wizzyrea ok, that is amazing
17:44 maximep you're late to the can't hug every cat party
17:44 wizzyrea I saw the original
17:44 wizzyrea but the autotune version is much funnier and a whole lot less creepy
17:44 maximep greg brothers are genius
17:45 wizzyrea druthb: you must click that link
17:46 oleonard I'm scared to watch the original.
17:46 wizzyrea @later tell druthb • member:oleonard learned of this for the first time today: CAN'T HUG EVERY CAT -- a song about loving cats
17:46 huginn` wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
17:46 wizzyrea it's alarming
17:49 maximep well thanks to you i'm stuck in a youtube loop of gregory brothers autotune songs
17:49 maximep :D
17:49 wizzyrea oh you went down the rabbit hole
17:49 cait__ :-)
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18:07 cait hi again #koha
18:07 mbalmer howdy folks.
18:08 mbalmer 20% of my work time have been reserved for koha hacking… dunno if that is a good thing or not ..
18:08 cait hi mbalmer
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18:11 oleonard mbalmer: 20% isn't nearly enough ;)
18:12 mbalmer it's already to much, imo ;)
18:13 cait I think most people here love to spend time on #koha - that's why they are doing it
18:13 wizzyrea ^^
18:14 * chris_n thinks his has been like 5% of work time and 25% of free time lately :)
18:14 mbalmer it's definitely fun to hack on it when you can work together with real librarians (which I am not)
18:14 wizzyrea oh, yea
18:14 wizzyrea that makes it less fun
18:14 wizzyrea what is your situation then?
18:16 mbalmer I am in informatics, programmer, software development for a living.  but we are a group of five, one content guy, two librarians.  so we are nicely set up for the job.
18:16 mbalmer and don't get me wrong, I think working on koha _is_ fun.
18:17 * wizzyrea would not assume that everyone thinks it's fun - but most of us here do.
18:23 rangi Morning
18:23 wizzyrea mornin
18:24 jcamins Morning.
18:24 cait morning rangi :)
18:24 jcamins rangi: you wanted something from me yesterday?
18:24 rangi Can't remember
18:24 jcamins rangi: in that case, you're welcome. ;)
18:24 chris_n heya rangi
18:24 rangi Can't be important
18:24 * wizzyrea heads off for lunch
18:24 wizzyrea bbl
18:24 * chris_n looks for coffee
18:25 mbalmer couscous on the table, biaw...
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18:28 rangi I'm doing %29 coffee
18:30 jcamins %29 coffee?
18:31 * rangi is being snarky
18:31 * jcamins doesn't think you mean "group separator coffee," and can't quite figure out what else it could mean.
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18:32 jcamins %32 would make sense to me... some sort of freeze-dried instant coffee.
18:32 rangi Heh
18:32 * chris_n only drinks the 100% coffee ;-)
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18:50 rangi back
18:54 * maximep hates everything about coffee
18:55 jcamins maximep: tea?
18:55 * maximep don't drink anything hot
18:56 maximep yeah, i'm weird.
18:56 cait hehe
18:56 maximep I also hate wine
18:56 * jcamins knows a number of people who don't drink hot things.
18:56 jcamins Mostly it's for religious reasons, though.
18:57 maximep all I drink at work is a bottle of ice cold water every day
18:57 jcamins maximep: do most of your coworkers drink wine? ;)
18:57 jcamins (at work)
18:58 jcamins If so, can I come work with you? :P
18:58 maximep haha
18:58 maximep some drink beer.... on friday
18:59 * jcamins doesn't like beer. It has bubbles.
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18:59 jcamins ... we discussed this two days ago, didn't we?
18:59 maximep I missed that one
18:59 mbalmer re
19:00 jcamins maximep: it could just be deja vu.
19:03 cait jcamins: you don't like bubbles?
19:04 jcamins cait: nope.
19:04 maximep I love everything with bubbles
19:06 * magnuse sympathizes completely with maximep...
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19:07 jcamins magnuse: I would've thought that it would be cold enough that you would want hot drinks.
19:07 nengard tall joy or druthb i'm wondering if you can make a quick change for me on l20
19:07 * oleonard would hate to plan a dinner party menu for you guys
19:07 rangi hi nengard
19:07 nengard oops - wrong room :)
19:07 nengard hi all
19:07 magnuse jcamins: well, hot chocolate/cocoa once in a blue moon, no coffee or tea
19:08 magnuse @wunder boo
19:08 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 0.0�C (7:50 PM CET on January 25, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: -9.0�C. Windchill: -8.0�C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Rising).
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19:08 oleonard @wunder 45701
19:08 huginn` oleonard: The current temperature in Ohio University, Athens, Ohio is 7.0�C (2:00 PM EST on January 25, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Windchill: 7.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1017.8 hPa (Steady).
19:10 ago43 is now known as ago43_lunch
19:10 maximep @wunder YUL
19:11 huginn` maximep: The current temperature in Montreal, Quebec is -4.0�C (2:00 PM EST on January 25, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: -11.0�C. Windchill: -11.0�C. Pressure: 30.25 in 1024 hPa (Falling).
19:11 jcamins @wunder 11375
19:11 huginn` jcamins: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Jackson Heights NY US, Corona, New York is 5.6�C (1:42 PM EST on January 25, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: -3.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1023.9 hPa.
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19:12 magnuse oleonard: cold water - how hard can it be? ;-)
19:12 maximep colder here than in borway, heh
19:12 maximep *norway
19:12 rangi borway, norway's much less interesting cousin
19:13 magnuse lol!
19:13 maximep the b is really far from the n on my keyboard, so not sure what happened there :P
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19:13 * magnuse wonders what kinf of keyboard maximep has...
19:13 magnuse kind, even
19:14 maximep well, not that far. it's a ms ergonomic keyboard that splits in the middle. the b is on my left hand and the n on my right hand
19:14 maximep so this is just wierd that I typed b :S
19:16 trea-lunch is now known as trea
19:17 magnuse ah
19:17 oleonard Those keyboards hurt my brain.
19:18 * magnuse never tried one, but is not a very disciplined typer, so can't imagine it would be a success
19:18 maximep with it my wrists would just die
19:19 maximep and by die I mean carpal tunnel
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19:25 * magnuse is upgrading a swedish library and moving them to the debian packages, to make future upgrades easier
19:26 jcamins Yay!
19:26 jcamins packages++
19:26 * wizzyrea reads the scrollback, is sad to have missed the discussion.
19:27 oleonard wizzyrea: Drink choice, weather, or keyboards?
19:27 wizzyrea all of the above
19:27 * wizzyrea prefers Earl Grey, spring/fall weather, and chiclet keyboards.
19:27 wizzyrea also: borway = norway's less interesting cousin = lulz
19:27 chris_n Earl_Grey++
19:28 magnuse chiclet?
19:28 ago43_lunch is now known as ago43
19:28 oleonard
19:28 wizzyrea yes that thank you
19:29 wizzyrea but more importantly
19:29 magnuse note to self:
19:29 wizzyrea[…]clet_keyboard.jpg
19:30 wizzyrea or:[…]im-keyboard-4.jpg
19:30 rangi chiclet makes me think all you could type on it is bridget jones diary novels
19:30 magnuse lol
19:31 jcamins Heh.
19:31 * oleonard imagines fans of chick lit might tell rangi he's showing his age with that reference
19:31 rangi whats it now
19:31 rangi vampires and crap?
19:32 oleonard bridget jones + vampires, the only remaining mashup left.
19:32 rangi heh
19:34 maximep I really like typing on my thinkpad keyboard and I type way faster on it, but I need support for my wrists
19:34 maximep[…]nek4000_large.jpg
19:34 maximep but I hate that this thing is huge
19:36 wizzyrea @quote add rangi: chiclet makes me think all you could type on it is bridget jones diary novels
19:36 huginn` wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.  Quote #182 added.
19:36 rangi wizzyrea: can you ask sharon whats new in chick lit? :)
19:37 wizzyrea @quote add oleonard: bridget jones + vampires, the only remaining mashup left.
19:37 huginn` wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.  Quote #183 added.
19:37 wizzyrea hehe, i will when she comes back
19:37 wizzyrea vampires and zombies are pretty likely, however.
19:37 oleonard[…]yer-bridget-jones
19:37 wizzyrea besides, she reads *smut*, there's a difference
19:38 wizzyrea omg.
19:38 rangi oh true
19:38 rangi pervert
19:38 rangi :-)
19:38 wizzyrea :D
19:38 wizzyrea seriously
19:39 wizzyrea I don't even... I guess the mayans were right after all.
19:39 rangi heh
19:40 jcamins Wow.
19:41 * wizzyrea goes back to watching the cat hugging video just to cleanse the mental palate.
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19:43 * jcamins has to locate a bowtie.
19:44 jcamins (that was unrelated to both vampires and cat hugging, it just suddenly struck me)
19:44 wizzyrea uh huh.
19:44 wizzyrea You wanted to put a bowtie on your cat
19:44 * wizzyrea knows better
19:45 jcamins lol
19:45 jcamins Speaking of cats with bowties...
19:45 jcamins[…]fathers-day-ties/
19:45 jcamins Second from the bottom.
19:46 jcamins Oh wow.
19:46 jcamins
19:46 * wizzyrea boggles that I said "bowtie" and "cat" in one sentence
19:46 wizzyrea and someone out there googled it.
19:46 jcamins wizzyrea: I already knew about the first one.
19:47 jcamins I just had never noticed the source.
19:47 wizzyrea that, my friends, is the long tail at work
19:47 wizzyrea forgive my pun.
19:48 jcamins lol
19:58 magnuse the worst thing that can happen if i truncate the sessions table is poeople who are logged in will have to login again, right?
19:58 rangi yes
19:59 wizzyrea yes
19:59 magnuse thanks
19:59 wizzyrea oh you are too fast.
19:59 jcamins magnuse: you should think about using memcached for sessions.
19:59 magnuse i think i made a major mistake when i didn't cron the cleanup_database script for this installation...
20:00 magnuse jcamins: i will for my own installations, but i'm just helping someone else out here
20:00 jcamins Ah.
20:00 magnuse mysql> truncate sessions;
20:00 magnuse Query OK, 7283351 rows affected (0.39 sec)
20:00 magnuse oops
20:00 rangi heh
20:00 jcamins That's a lot of sessions.
20:01 magnuse it is
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20:01 magnuse packages++ for setting up the cleanupscript automatically
20:01 wizzyrea ^^
20:01 magnuse the mysqldump went from 2.3G to 303M...
20:02 jcamins Wow!
20:02 magnuse let that be a lesson to us all, boys and girls
20:02 wizzyrea oh snap.
20:05 cait hi aleksa
20:05 aleksa hello
20:06 cait I saw your patches - good work :)
20:07 wizzyrea oh do we have a new developer to add?
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20:07 rangi not pushed yet, but soon!
20:07 wizzyrea sweeeet
20:07 magnuse yay
20:07 jcamins Speaking of which, thanks for the sign-off on the follow-up, rangi.
20:08 jcamins rangi: out of curiosity, why do we have some tests in a different place?
20:08 aleksa thanks.
20:08 rangi you mean the xt vs t?
20:08 jcamins Right.
20:08 rangi t/ = unit tests, testing functionality
20:08 aarkerio hi! I am trying to install Koha  and I try install some translations:
20:08 aarkerio cd misc/translator && perl fr-FR es-ES
20:08 rangi xt/ = testing hmmm syntax/semantics .. not function
20:09 jcamins Ah.
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20:09 aarkerio but is not there
20:09 * jcamins didn't know about xt until the jenkins complete.
20:09 rangi so there are tests for missing copyright headers, fsf address wrong, bad tt syntax etc
20:10 oleonard rangi: Do you use git hooks to run automatic tests?
20:10 rangi i do
20:10 rangi 2 secs
20:10 aarkerio how can I install the spanish translations?
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20:11 rangi oleonard:[…]s/heads/git-hooks
20:11 rangi[…]1303f12a209dc2f21
20:12 magnuse aarkerio: which version are you installing?
20:12 magnuse aarkerio: and what instructions are you following?
20:12 aarkerio magnuse: koha-3.06.02
20:12 magnuse aarkerio: you probably need to do "perl translate install es-ES"
20:13 magnuse aarkerio: good version :-)
20:15 aarkerio magnuse, thanks!
20:15 magnuse aarkerio: no problem!
20:19 * chris_n cracks open a new Inspiron One w/touchscreen to be used in our k-12 academy library w/koha
20:19 wizzyrea coool
20:19 rangi ohh nice
20:19 wizzyrea we have some touch screens in the wild
20:19 wizzyrea in NEKLS
20:20 wizzyrea people seem to like them
20:20 rangi photos/blogpost
20:20 chris_n touchscreen + scanner + self checkout = easy circulation
20:20 rangi for the kc site
20:20 rangi would be nice
20:20 wizzyrea ^^
20:20 chris_n rangi: good thought
20:20 cait we should do more blog posts
20:20 rangi we should
20:20 chris_n I'll work something up once its on line
20:20 cait pretty silent on kc
20:20 rangi thanks chris_n
20:20 chris_n should be early next week
20:20 cait chris_n++
20:20 cait going to release tonight?
20:21 chris_n cait: yup
20:21 cait yay :)
20:21 cait and we will update 5 libraries on friday :)
20:23 * magnuse will be upgrading from 3.6.2 pretty soon too
20:25 rangi 3.6.3 looks pretty solid
20:25 * magnuse finds hitting "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" and pondering all the work that has been put into those lines scrolling by pretty awesome...
20:26 cait rangi: I guess we will shake out the bugs pretty fast if there are any
20:27 cait :)
20:27 cait but I think it's pretty solid too
20:27 * magnuse has had no complaints about 3.6.2
20:28 magnuse (upgraded the last customers on the weekend)
20:28 magnuse but there is bug 7445 for those who use tags
20:28 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7445 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Clicking on a tag gives "Language ... does not exist"
20:28 magnuse and it probably affects stemming too
20:29 jcamins I merged my customizations into the latest 3.6.x a few days ago, so I'll just do another merge after the release and it'll be ready for testing.
20:30 * chris_n hates to say it, but chrome has ff beat atm
20:30 jcamins chris_n: other than the annoying Koha cataloging module hang, Chrome has had FF beat for months, as far as I'm concerned.
20:33 maximep on what ?
20:33 jcamins maximep: not crashing.
20:33 jcamins And being faster.
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20:35 maximep my firefox at work hasn't crashed since I work here
20:35 maximep 8 months
20:35 maximep also haven't closed a single tab since that time
20:35 jcamins maximep: well, I stopped using FF more than eight months ago, so it's possible that they fixed the bugs that were causing it to crash.
20:36 maximep 6-7-8 are more crash fix releases than anything else
20:36 maximep and 9
20:36 maximep stupid versions
20:38 maximep and for the faster.. can't defend ff there
20:38 maximep chrome is just insanely fast
20:38 wizzyrea bug 6985 - does this need to be a system preference?
20:38 * wizzyrea cringes
20:38 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6985 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, In Discussion , Hide "kw,wrdl:" from Search Results
20:38 maximep oh id like that
20:39 oleonard does anyone really *want* to see "kw.wrdl" ?
20:39 * wizzyrea has a patch to just make it go away
20:39 bag not sure - I feel it just shouldn't appear
20:39 jcamins The last version I used was 3.6, I think.
20:39 bag no need to sys pref that...
20:39 chris_n maximep: my ff crashes continually due to bad js support
20:39 chris_n plus it does not allow different cookie jars for different windows
20:40 chris_n at least not easily and w/o hogging resources
20:40 wizzyrea the problem is, you can't, well, I haven't spent enough time to figure it out, but you can't say "your search for X returned yyy results"
20:40 wizzyrea if you want X, it comes with kw,wrdl
20:40 chris_n plus leaving ff running for very long periods of time seems to leak memory
20:40 * wizzyrea would prefer "your search for X"
20:41 wizzyrea however, it's not *that* important to me
20:41 wizzyrea because the last search is retained in the search box
20:41 wizzyrea so meh
20:41 * wizzyrea will submit the patch
20:41 wizzyrea and y'all can fight about it later.
20:41 * jcamins updated FF.
20:42 aarkerio hi! should I execute:
20:42 aarkerio perl translate install es-ES
20:42 aarkerio before or after installation?
20:42 magnuse wizzyrea++
20:42 magnuse aarkerio: before you run the webinstaller
20:42 aarkerio ok!!
20:44 magnuse otherwise, you will not get to see the spanish choices in the webinstaller
20:44 talljoy_away is now known as Boney_Eyes_Thompkins
20:45 Boney_Eyes_Thompkins is now known as talljoy
20:45 bag is now known as Buddy_Bones_Jones
20:45 jcamins o.O
20:46 Buddy_Bones_Jones jcamins[…]re_n_1229406.html
20:46 jcamins Ah.
20:46 Buddy_Bones_Jones is now known as bag
20:46 jcamins Yeah, that's been all over Facebook.
20:46 wizzyrea is now known as pretty_eyes_jefferson
20:47 jcamins I love that they misspelled the URL.
20:47 oleonard is now known as Red_Money_Parker
20:47 pretty_eyes_jefferson oh yours is good.
20:48 * Red_Money_Parker is glad not to be named "Toothless"
20:48 pretty_eyes_jefferson hm, with my proper birth name that is less fun.
20:48 pretty_eyes_jefferson is now known as texas_eyes_dupree
20:49 Red_Money_Parker is now known as oleonard
20:49 texas_eyes_dupree who has texas eyes.
20:49 texas_eyes_dupree I ask you.
20:49 texas_eyes_dupree is now known as wizzyrea
20:49 * oleonard liked that one too wizzyrea
20:49 oleonard It was the "dupree" that made it all come together
20:49 wizzyrea pretty eyes dupree I think would be my favorite
20:50 cait curly hips gumbo brown?
20:50 cait hmpf
20:52 cait oooh
20:52 cait oleonard:
20:52 cait i was wondering if you could rebase 7113
20:52 cait because when you did
20:52 wizzyrea bug 7113
20:52 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7113 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Patch doesn't apply , Standardize vendor id name in templates and scripts
20:52 cait I could sign off on it again :)
20:53 oleonard I started to, and ran into a snag with some newly-added stuff. I need to go back to it. Maybe tomorrow.
20:58 * jcamins heads to Forest Hills to fill up a suitcase and head back into the city to catch a bus to the suburbs.
20:58 jcamins is now known as jcamins_away
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21:01 * oleonard hopes jcamins_away is going to fill the suitcase with money
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21:05 cait oleonard: cool :)
21:07 * oleonard thinks there are some newly-introduced instances of vendor id which will have to be tracked down
21:11 wizzyrea is there something like lifehacker that focuses on open platforms?
21:11 * wizzyrea is tired of reading about windows and iphones
21:11 magnuse bleurgh
21:11 magnuse hopes this may be improved into something useful one day:[…]e_Debian_packages
21:12 wizzyrea oo yea - did you start that magnuse?
21:12 magnuse yup
21:12 wizzyrea good one
21:13 wizzyrea we also need one for "moving a dev install to a package install"
21:13 magnuse hope it will do more good than bad, but probably needs some work
21:13 wizzyrea *nod*
21:13 magnuse well, they should be quite similar, i think
21:13 wizzyrea yea
21:13 magnuse well, i guess i just left all the old files etc in place
21:14 wizzyrea there would be some futzing about with paths
21:14 magnuse explaining how to clean up *everything* would require two different variants
21:14 wizzyrea yea
21:14 wizzyrea and we've seen how well that works in the install documentation. >.>
21:15 magnuse heh?
21:18 wizzyrea people end up very confused.
21:18 wizzyrea I have meant to separate out the dev and "standard" installs
21:18 magnuse ah yes
21:18 wizzyrea and create a "packages" install guide
21:18 magnuse yeah, that can be short and sweet, at least ;-)
21:18 wizzyrea hehe yea
21:19 wizzyrea oh I just love those rounded corners on the tabs in the staff client
21:19 magnuse they *are* purdy ;-)
21:19 magnuse success!
21:19 wizzyrea yay!
21:20 wizzyrea I can get behind a library that uses koha for their repository of international peace research
21:20 wizzyrea sipri++
21:20 * oleonard motors
21:20 wizzyrea nbyee
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21:28 magnuse wizzyrea: yay - i feel it helps a little for my karma - my main customer is the royal naval academy...
21:29 magnuse have fun, #koha!
21:29 magnuse is now known as magnus_away
21:32 melia is now known as melia_lunch
21:39 wizzyrea but the royal naval academy of *norway* which probably does mostly peacekeeping missions anyway
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21:51 librarygeekadam good day!
21:52 librarygeekadam would any one have a minute to help me out with installation?
21:52 librarygeekadam i had this problem last time and I cannot remember how i got it working
21:53 librarygeekadam when I go to access the Koha admin through my browser i get "Not Found The requested URL / was not found on this server." Any ideas?
21:54 wizzyrea disable your apache default virtualhost?
21:54 wizzyrea a2dissite default
21:54 wizzyrea apache2ctl restart
21:54 wizzyrea sudo as appropriate, of course.
21:55 librarygeekadam i have done that but let me try again
21:55 wizzyrea did you change the ip in your koha virtualhost to match the actual IP of the server?
21:55 librarygeekadam hmmm...i dont know
21:55 wizzyrea from to your IP
21:56 librarygeekadam what command do I run to do that?
21:56 wizzyrea use your favorite editor to edit /etc/apache2/sites-available/koha
21:56 librarygeekadam i ran the first thing you  told me and got an error "NameVirtualHost *:80 has no VirtualHosts"
21:57 wizzyrea or you can change the to *
21:57 librarygeekadam ok this is what I have in that file
21:57 librarygeekadam I have edited before
21:58 wizzyrea
21:58 wizzyrea :)
21:58 wizzyrea or pastebin ^.^
21:58 librarygeekadam in the instructions it gives this "VirtualHost"
21:58 librarygeekadam but my file says this "VirtualHost"
21:58 librarygeekadam it has a 1 instead of a 0
21:59 wizzyrea yep, change the 1 to a 0, I think that's a longstanding typo.
21:59 librarygeekadam so i changed it so it looks like this now "VirtualHost (my ip address):80"
22:00 librarygeekadam is that correct?
22:00 wizzyrea no, you want VirtualHost <your ip>:80
22:00 librarygeekadam ok
22:01 librarygeekadam for the second virtualhost further down as well then?
22:01 wizzyrea unless you're only accessing it from localhost ( then you'd probably want it to answer on the IP of the machine
22:01 wizzyrea yep
22:01 librarygeekadam yeah i am only running this on a laptop to test
22:01 wizzyrea then is what you'd want
22:02 librarygeekadam followed by my ip?
22:02 wizzyrea (is what I do on my laptop)
22:02 wizzyrea nope, just
22:02 librarygeekadam ok
22:02 librarygeekadam let me try that real quick
22:03 wizzyrea remember to restart apache after you make the change :)
22:03 librarygeekadam ok i did that
22:04 librarygeekadam and I get this error "NameVirtualHost *:80 has no VirtualHosts"
22:04 librarygeekadam i got that when I restarted apache2
22:04 wizzyrea is there a koha in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled
22:04 wizzyrea if not
22:04 wizzyrea a2ensite koha
22:04 aarkerio librarygeekadam, maybe you need edit /etc/apache2/ports.conf  to add:    listen 8080
22:05 aarkerio and NameVirtualHost
22:07 librarygeekadam hmmm
22:07 librarygeekadam well i had listen 8080
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22:07 wizzyrea you have a typo there aarkerio - is what he needs for localhost.
22:08 librarygeekadam i added NameVirtualHost *:8080 and I got back 2 errors now when restarting apache - 1 for VH80 and 1 for VH8080
22:08 aarkerio wizzyrea, I think koha installer choose in many installations
22:08 wizzyrea it does - and it's not right.
22:10 aarkerio librarygeekadam, your IP must be the same in koha-httpd.conf and ports.conf
22:10 aarkerio I mean if in one you have VirtualHost
22:10 aarkerio in ports you must have NameVirtualHost
22:10 aarkerio no  t NameVirtualHost *:80
22:11 librarygeekadam ok
22:11 librarygeekadam let me give that a go
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22:13 aarkerio by the way, if I omitted include MARC frameworks during installation
22:13 aarkerio can I install them after setup?
22:18 librarygeekadam im sorry I would know...i have only gotten Koha installed once and I am trying to repeat but to no avail
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22:19 melia_lunch is now known as melia
22:20 librarygeekadam still nothing for me
22:21 librarygeekadam i still get errors
22:21 librarygeekadam i tried going to and i get a software error
22:21 librarygeekadam i try going to and I get "not Found"
22:22 aarkerio what error log say?
22:22 librarygeekadam what's the error log?
22:23 librarygeekadam where it says software error: ....
22:24 librarygeekadam Access denied for user 'koha'@localhost' to database 'kohadata' at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/ line 693  (and 4 more lines
22:24 aarkerio sudo tail -f /var/log/apache2/error.log
22:24 maximep wrong db password ?
22:25 aarkerio try connect to DB from the command line
22:25 librarygeekadam ok how do i do that
22:25 maximep mysql -u koha -p kohadata
22:25 librarygeekadam sorry i am such a noob
22:27 aarkerio you should run "make test" during installation process ;-)
22:28 librarygeekadam ok when i try that i get "Access denied for user 'koha'@'localhost' to database 'kohadata'
22:28 librarygeekadam i did run make test and it came out fine
22:28 maximep so either you have the wrong password or your user doesn't have permissions
22:29 maximep there's probably a GRANT ALL line somewhere in the instructions ?
22:29 librarygeekadam yes there is
22:29 librarygeekadam the make test = pass
22:31 librarygeekadam should i run through the mysql part in the instructions again
22:34 librarygeekadam any thoughts?
22:34 maximep probably
22:34 maximep what instructions are u using?
22:34 librarygeekadam[…]ki/Koha_on_Ubuntu
22:35 maximep yeah i would do the mysql -u root -p part
22:36 maximep and the GRANT ALL ON kohadata.* TO 'koha'@'localhost' IDENTIFIED BY 'YOURPASSWORD';
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22:36 maximep and then try again to connect with the koha user
22:37 librarygeekadam ok cool...that's what i was leaning towards :)
22:39 librarygeekadam YES! it worked that time! thanks a bunch everyone!
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22:42 maximep yay =)
22:42 wizzyrea squee!
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