IRC log for #koha, 2012-01-03

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00:12 * wizzyrea wonders how much longer this roast is going to cook.
00:14 jcamins wizzyrea: forever!
00:14 wizzyrea hmm
00:18 jcamins wizzyrea: sorry about that.
00:18 wizzyrea no worries - i'm guessing "soon" is the real right answer. :)
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01:04 * jcamins wonders whether wizzyrea's roast ever finished cooking.
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03:28 AmitG heyabag
03:29 AmitG heya bag
03:29 bag heya AmitG
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04:37 Oak Guten Morgen cait. you are up early :)
04:38 Oak @wunder Konstanz
04:38 huginn Oak: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 3.0�C (5:34 AM CET on January 03, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027.0 hPa (Steady).
04:38 cait good morning Oak :)
04:38 Oak @wunder islamabad
04:38 huginn Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 7.0�C (9:00 AM PKT on January 03, 2012). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
04:38 Oak @wunder moon
04:38 huginn Oak: Error: No such location could be found.
04:38 Oak hm.
04:40 cait oh
04:41 cait @wunder Islamabad
04:41 huginn cait: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 7.0�C (9:00 AM PKT on January 03, 2012). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
04:41 Oak i know.
05:13 rangi evening
05:13 rangi @wunder nzwn
05:13 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 16.0�C (6:00 PM NZDT on January 03, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Falling).
05:18 Oak good evening rangi
05:46 rangi heya Oak
05:46 Oak :)
05:46 cait evening rangi :)
06:07 rangi  <-- something worth looking into more
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06:54 bag @wunder 93109
06:54 huginn bag: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 9.8�C (10:53 PM PST on January 02, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 98%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Windchill: 10.0�C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1020.9 hPa (Steady).
07:01 rangi heya bag
07:01 bag heya rangi
07:01 cait hi bag
07:01 bag yo cait
07:06 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7394] Broken detail page for last link from result page <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7394>
07:11 bigbrovar hi guys, I just noticed a small bug with my koha instance which has been running for about a year now. I noticed that when. I have goto to the root url everything is displayed fine. including opacsmallimage. however when I click to this URL which still direct to my koha' opac only this time. image contents I added to the opacmainbloack and even the opacsmallimage fail to load and I ge
07:11 bigbrovar t this error using chrome debug tools  interestingly I dont get any error when I just go to it only shows up when the link is[…]koha/  what could I be doing wrong ?
07:11 magnus_away is now known as magnus_afk
07:12 magnus_afk is now known as magnuse
07:12 magnuse kia ora #koha!
07:14 rangi hi magnuse
07:14 magnuse hiya and happy new year rangi!
07:15 cait morning magnuse :)
07:15 rangi bigbrovar: not sure, seems like maybe opacbaseurl set wrong?
07:15 bigbrovar let me check, well be
07:16 rangi or path to opacsmallimage relative instead of full path
07:17 rangi heh
07:17 cait fredericd++
07:17 rangi fredericd and cait signed off at the same time
07:18 fredericd cait: BZ collision!
07:18 bigbrovar rangi, the base url is correct
07:19 fredericd please, after you
07:19 cait fredericd: I will add my sign-off to your signed off patch :)
07:19 rangi :)
07:19 rangi bigbrovar: hmm check the path to the opacsmallimage then
07:20 bigbrovar rangi, this is the part to the opacsmallimage opac-tmpl/prog/images/tellico.png thats the value I used.
07:20 alex_away is now known as alex_a
07:20 alex_a morning
07:21 magnuse bigbrovar: try a full url, starting with http...
07:21 bigbrovar rangi, what should be the absolute path? from the koha server root? or the baseurl?
07:25 rangi http://the.whole.thing/
07:25 rangi what magnuse said
07:26 rangi :)
07:26 rangi hi alex_a
07:31 bigbrovar rangi, magnuse thanks so much guys, it works fine now :)
07:31 magnuse yay!
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07:41 * rangi is tired
07:41 rangi next time i think taking a 2 year old and a 5 year old 'camping' in a tent in my parents backyard is a good idea
07:41 rangi remind me its not :)
07:42 magnuse will do! ;-)
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07:44 bag sorry rangi but that always sounds like an excellent idea ;)
07:44 rangi they loved it
07:44 bag yeah that's the key :)
07:44 rangi there wasnt much sleep going on though
07:45 cait :)
07:45 bag I think I remember nights like that when I was young
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07:53 reiveune hello
07:53 wahanui hola, reiveune
07:53 rangi hi reiveune
07:53 reiveune happy new year everybody
07:54 rangi and to you too
07:58 magnuse same to you reiveune
07:58 reiveune :)
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08:01 julian_m hi
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08:06 asaurat hi
08:06 wahanui niihau, asaurat
08:06 asaurat niihau =)
08:10 matts hi
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08:12 rangi hi matts, asaurat and julian_m .. and wb kf
08:12 * kf waves :)
08:13 julian_m hi rangi and kf
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08:14 gaetan_B hello
08:14 wahanui what's up, gaetan_B
08:16 gaetan_B :)
08:17 kf hm
08:17 kf shouldn't bug 6145 marked wontfix?
08:17 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6145 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , ModBiblio double encoding items information
08:17 kf it's for 3.2?
08:18 rangi if it cant be replicated in master then yeah
08:19 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6145] ModBiblio double encoding items information <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6145>
08:19 asaurat hi rangi, kf and gaetan_B!
08:19 kf julian_m: do you think it's still relevant for master?
08:21 julian_m kf, hm... I don't know, i just updated patch status as it still apply
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08:22 kf hm
08:22 paul_p good morning world
08:22 kf I think than the version number should be changed
08:22 kf then
08:22 kf morning paul_p
08:22 magnuse hiya sophie_m1 and paul_p
08:23 sophie_m1 hello magnuse, happy new year !
08:23 sophie_m1 and happy new year every one
08:23 kf hello sophie_m1 - happy new year:)
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08:24 rangi hi paul_p by sophie
08:24 rangi bye too
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08:24 paul_p happy new year rangi
08:24 paul_p & good night !
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08:30 francharb hello
08:34 kf hi francharb :)
08:35 rangi hi francharb
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08:58 AmitG gaetan_B
08:58 AmitG happy new year
08:59 gaetan_B hi AmitG! naya saal mubarak ho!
09:00 AmitG gaetan_B: aap ko bhi
09:00 AmitG :D
09:01 gaetan_B :)
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09:12 rangi paul_p: my dad is reading some french detective novels in french, its what he decided to buy himself for xmas
09:16 asaurat nice :)
09:16 asaurat Le mystère de la chambre jaune ? =)
09:17 rangi could be, ill have to look at his calibre next time im there :)
09:33 magnuse meeting in ~24.5 hours, right?
09:35 paul_p magnuse, right
09:37 kf heh
09:37 * kf will be there
09:38 * magnuse too
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10:33 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7379] some database fields are displayed 'as is' when they are linked to autorised values <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7379>
10:53 asaurat kf: tried to give hints about what changed, but without the patch formatting I'm not sure it's useful :p
10:54 kf ah
10:54 kf was commenting on the bug again right now :)
10:54 kf the bugzilla diff view is quite helpful
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10:55 kf we decided to use perltidy I think
10:55 kf but not sure we finally decided when to use it and on what parts of the code - only new, everything etc.
10:55 kf so perhaps this is really something that we should discuss and decide about
10:55 kf asaurat ping :)
10:56 asaurat yes!
10:58 asaurat could be a topic for tomorrow ? or are they all already decided ?
10:58 kf nope
10:58 kf we can stil add to the agenda
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11:01 kf perhaps we can add : coding guidelines?
11:03 asaurat coding guidelines, and patching limits :D should a patch fix only what the title implies, or do more if possible ?
11:03 kf yes
11:03 kf I think we all kind of sneak around that
11:03 kf fixing a few more lines than strictly necessary hereand there
11:04 kf i think one reason not to fix indentationmight be copyright?
11:04 kf git blame will blame you for the lines, even if it's only whitespace changes
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11:04 kf hi hdl
11:04 kf :)
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11:06 asaurat ok, not used to this kind of thinking :D I'll learn
11:06 kf not sure you have to )
11:06 kf we will find out :)
11:07 kf are you going to be at the meeting? it's a good time for europe tomorrow
11:07 asaurat yes, should be present
11:08 magnuse the more the merrier!
11:23 kf asaurat: ok,I have done it
11:23 kf let's find out :)
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11:24 asaurat nice :)
11:24 asaurat kf++
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12:33 tcohen hi #koha
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12:48 druthb o/
13:04 magnuse \o
13:09 kf1 hi druthb
13:09 druthb :D
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13:20 magnuse @wunder boo
13:20 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 0.0�C (1:50 PM CET on January 03, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: -4.0�C. Windchill: -6.0�C. Pressure: 29.09 in 985 hPa (Steady).
13:21 druthb @wunder lawrence, ks
13:21 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is -4.6�C (7:20 AM CST on January 03, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: -13.0�C. Windchill: -9.0�C. Pressure: 30.41 in 1029.7 hPa (Falling).
13:21 * druthb screeches to a halt.
13:21 druthb's colder in Lawrence, KS, than it is near the Arctic Circle?
13:22 kf1 @wunder Konstanz
13:22 huginn kf1: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 8.0�C (2:00 PM CET on January 03, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 0.0�C. Pressure: 30.23 in 1024 hPa (Falling).
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13:22 druthb that ain't right, now.
13:23 oleonard Hi #koha
13:23 druthb g'morning, oleonard.
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13:28 kf hi oleonard
13:28 kf :)
13:35 magnuse nort of the arctic circle, akshuly ;-)
13:35 * druthb shivers, and hunkers down under her blanket.
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13:36 magnuse :-)
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13:42 muni Hello, I face a problem during koha installation with perl dependencies.
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13:43 muni How can i fix this problem?
13:43 magnuse muni: depends on what the problem is ;-)
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13:45 muni Missing some perl dependencies
13:45 oleonard Which ones muni?
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13:51 muni can't locate in @INC
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13:56 magnuse muni: which OS are you installing on, and how are you doing the installation (which instructions are you following)?
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14:18 schuster @wunder 75035
14:18 huginn schuster: The current temperature in Preston Lakes, Frisco, Texas is 2.8�C (8:17 AM CST on January 03, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: -4.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 30.58 in 1035.4 hPa (Rising).
14:19 schuster remembers cold - degree days - glad he now lives in Texas!
14:19 schuster @wunder Sioux Falls SD
14:19 huginn schuster: The current temperature in Sioux Falls, South Dakota is -7.0�C (7:56 AM CST on January 03, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: -14.0�C. Windchill: -14.0�C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Falling).
14:22 schuster just read this from the read back from Rangi - and am glad there are others smarter than me who understand what he was talking about :)
14:22 oleonard Hi schuster
14:23 schuster Hey oleonard!  Happy New Year make it to the Gym or is today the "allow body to rebuild day?"
14:23 oleonard Today is "Hooray, I didn't eat any ice cream yet" day.
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14:25 oleonard Later rescheduled and switched to "Oh no, I ate all the ice cream" day
14:25 schuster I understand!  Good luck - I have some peppermint in the freezer at home...  Boys made me do it!
14:25 magnuse lol
14:36 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6374] Use "size" as names/hash keys leads to an unexpected results when using Template::Toolkit (name of a virtual method there) <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6374>
14:38 jcamins_away schuster: interesting article.
14:39 schuster Glad someone understood it!  Rangi posted it originally!  I read cache blah blah blah some code blah blah blah cache....
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15:14 mbalmer good {eve|mor}ning
15:15 magnuse ooh, clever ;-)
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15:28 skushner Hi..I'm getting the error "Koha error: The following fatal error has occurred: Can't call method "config" on unblessed reference at /home/koha/kohaclone/C4/ line 654. . anyone seen this. It's when I'm trying to install Koha using, and happy new year...
15:29 skushner I think it might have something to do with a password for mysql db..but not sure.
15:31 oleonard skushner: I see an old Koha list thread which references the same error. Maybe one of the replies is relevant?[…]nuary/022164.html
15:33 magnuse skushner: which version are you installing?
15:33 edveal Good morning everyone! I am working with the "Authorized Values" for lost and it seems that the "Description (OPAC)" field is being ignored in the OPAC. Anyone else seeing this or have any insight on it.  I think it is connected to[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5533
15:33 huginn Bug 5533: critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , marking item lost diff in two places
15:35 oleonard edveal: Are you sure it's a new bug rather than an omission? Where do you see the problem?
15:36 edveal No I am not sure... Whenever I put something in the "Description (OPAC)" field it does not showing in the OPAC.
15:37 edveal I have duplicated this on at least two instances of Koha.
15:37 skushner magnuse: git 3.04.00
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15:42 nengard question about SELECT DISTINCT - is it selecting distinct versions of all fields queried? So if I do SELECT DISTINCT borrowernumber, issuedate is it getting only distinct borrowernumber/issuedate combos? or only distict borrowerumbers?
15:47 kf hm not sure
15:48 kf Iw ould try it
15:48 kf out
15:48 kf perhaps you need ()
15:49 magnuse "DISTINCT specifies removal of duplicate rows from the result set."[…].5/en/select.html
15:49 magnuse i'd say "distinct borrowernumber/issuedate combos" - but i'd experiment a little before i made up my mind... ;-)
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15:51 kf and I think you might need distinct (.... ) or disctint, distinct...
15:51 kf not sure
15:51 kf trying it out with an easy example will show :)
15:53 oleonard edveal: Bug 4173?
15:53 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4173 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, RESOLVED FIXED, Statuses not appearing in the OPAC
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15:54 libsysguy morning #Koha
15:55 libsysguy i did an update this morning and I get an error in /koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/e​n/modules/members/
15:55 libsysguy anybody else see it?
15:56 kf hm
15:56 kf waht happens?
15:56 edveal oleonard: doesn't look like it has been addressed in a while? Might you have any insight on it resolution?
15:56 libsysguy Template process failed: file error - parse error
15:57 libsysguy unexpected end of input in :-/
15:57 kf hm not good
15:57 kf master?
15:57 wahanui it has been said that master is for 3.6
15:57 kf no local changes?
15:57 oleonard edveal: I think at that time it may have been decided that a generic "item lost" was sufficient in the OPAC, I'm not sure.  If so, I'm not sure the "OPAC description" option was taken into consideration
15:57 kf not looking at a translation?
15:58 libsysguy i just checked that file out from master
15:58 libsysguy no I don't think im looking for a translation kf
15:58 kf at :) a translated file
15:58 kf because that's ususally my problem
15:58 libsysguy hmm
15:58 libsysguy ok interesting
15:58 wahanui interesting is, like, good
15:59 edveal oleonard: Thanks
15:59 kf so it's the account detail tab?
15:59 libsysguy it looks like when i look up the name ABHIDNYA GHUGE i get an error
15:59 libsysguy but when i look up travis its ok
15:59 kf ok
15:59 kf sadly
15:59 libsysguy so maybe it is a translation thing
15:59 kf I was the last to change that file...
15:59 oleonard libsysguy: can you paste the whole error?
16:00 kf[…]b54cec7291d12f430
16:00 libsysguy http://paste.koha-community.or[…]bmit=Format+it%21
16:00 libsysguy pastebot hates me
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16:01 tcohen is it possible to try to merge and solve problems in the merge using git-bz?
16:01 libsysguy so kf i can do a git blame :p jk jk
16:01 tcohen or have to go the git -3 way only?
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16:01 kf I am confessing to have touched it... willingly!
16:02 libsysguy hehe
16:02 ebegin reading the emails on the koha list, I was wondering if there is a way to prevents patrons to create public lists ?
16:02 tcohen any git-bz guru?
16:02 nengard ebegin there is not
16:02 kf ebegin: no, but there is a bug for it
16:02 nengard there is a bug report on that
16:02 nengard jinx
16:03 nengard :)
16:03 ebegin :)
16:03 kf (and I forgot what I have to do now... again)
16:03 libsysguy kf it may not be your fault
16:04 libsysguy this may have been happening for awhile and i just now noticed :p
16:04 kf tcohen: git bz does no 3 way merge when applying and it doesn't deal with conflicts (only working with bugzilla)
16:04 tcohen ok, i marked  the bug does not apply
16:04 tcohen and continuing the old way to propose a fix
16:04 tcohen (to the author)
16:05 oleonard libsysguy: What does the template in question look like?
16:05 reiveune bye
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16:06 libsysguy what do you mean oleonard
16:06 kf tcohen: if git bz apply does not work it's always got to do a git am -i3u file <file in temp folder it created>
16:07 oleonard libsysguy: It would be easy to see if your copy of the template was corrupt for whatever reason if you pasted its contents
16:07 libsysguy well I just ran a git checkout HEAD
16:07 libsysguy so it should look just like master
16:07 libsysguy but i can certainly paste the file
16:07 libsysguy if you want to take a peek at it
16:08 kf gaetan_B++ asaurat++
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16:09 tcohen thanks kf
16:09 gaetan_B :)
16:09 kf libsysguy, oleonard: could the error be caused by the pl file not matching the template file?
16:09 asaurat :)
16:09 gaetan_B there's been some teamwork going on today :)
16:09 kf yep, fun watching :)
16:12 libsysguy kf would that explain why I can look up some names and not others?
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16:14 kf something in the data of those 2 must be different
16:16 kf I mean the borrowers
16:16 libsysguy yeah i just looked up the broken patron in the database
16:17 libsysguy i don't see anything weird
16:17 kf hm the line refers to somehting with holds
16:17 kf does oone have holds and the other not?
16:17 libsysguy well the other patron was me and I don't have any holds but i think the other patron does
16:18 libsysguy they got an email notice and they are disputing it so I was going to look them up
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16:19 libsysguy the broken patron has a 0 flag set
16:19 libsysguy is this that weird error that happened a while back with flags in the database
16:20 libsysguy where there was a patch to set something to NULL
16:20 asaurat bye !
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16:21 kf I think that's only for debarred
16:21 kf do you mean flags? because that's permissions and 0 probably right
16:21 libsysguy ok well mine were set to null
16:22 nengard what is the script you have to run to generate the borrowers file for the offline circ tool? I just noticed that it's not documented in the manual!
16:24 gaetan_B clrh: je viens de voir ça datant du 29/12 :
16:24 gaetan_B ça vient de Babelio à priori ?
16:24 gaetan_B oops wrong channel :-X:-/
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16:30 clrh :)
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16:53 sekjal opinion on where to add a Notes column to the Holds Queue?  I was thinking at the end, but does anyone have a different idea?
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16:57 hdl1 hi happy new year
16:57 jcamins Happy new year!
17:00 kf happy new year hdl :)
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17:00 kf sekjal: what would the note be for?
17:01 sekjal kf:  the hold note
17:01 kf ah
17:01 sekjal it's processed into the tmp_holdsqueue table, but not displayed
17:01 kf and on which page? the holds view on the record? or one of the reports?
17:01 sekjal
17:02 kf hm
17:02 kf why don't we have a note field in reserves?
17:02 kf oh we have
17:03 kf reservenotes in reserves and notes in tmp_holdsqueue
17:03 hdl1 ok have fun folks
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17:05 kf sekjal: I think I have no helpful ideas :(
17:05 sekjal I'll just make the note show on the far right of the Holds Queue table
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17:10 gaetan_B bye !
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17:10 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7399] Holds Queue should show reserve notes <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7399>
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17:56 cait hi again #koha
18:00 jwagner hi cait
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18:02 cait hi jwagner  - happy new year
18:03 jwagner and to you too
18:23 rangi morning
18:24 sekjal morning, rangi
18:24 jcamins It's too late for paul_p, isn't it?
18:24 rangi heya sekjal
18:25 jcamins Yeah, I see he left 50 minutes ago.
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18:25 jcamins Good morning, rangi.
18:25 cait morning rangi :)
18:26 cait hi sekjal :)
18:26 cait could I ask you nicely to qa on the bug from yesterday? :)
18:27 cait bug 7394
18:27 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7394 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, NEW , Broken detail page for last link from result page
18:27 jcamins rangi: you'll be glad to know that eventually I figured out OO Perl.
18:27 sekjal cait:  was looking at it this morning, but got distracted before i could git bz it down
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18:29 * jcamins bugs sekjal about QAing bug 1633, and crosses that item off his to-do list for today. :)
18:29 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1633 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, kmkale, ASSIGNED , Add ability to take book cover images from local img db
18:30 jcamins sekjal: in case you hadn't guessed, that's on my "daily tasks" list. ;)
18:30 sekjal jcamins:  I was wondering...
18:31 jcamins sekjal: so if you go on vacation, you'll get a lot of messages from huginn about it. ;)
18:31 jcamins (when you get back)
18:31 sekjal was just on vacation
18:31 sekjal not sure when the next will be
18:31 rangi jcamins: cool :)
18:31 sekjal a while, for sure
18:31 jcamins Yes, I put it on my to-do list starting yesterday.
18:32 cait lol
18:32 jcamins I'm trying to implement GTD, and to reinforce the habit, I've identified lots of easy tasks.
18:32 sekjal 7394 passed QA
18:32 rangi yay!
18:32 jcamins Like "drop sekjal a note about QAing my bugs."
18:33 jcamins And "Sign off on cait's patch"
18:33 rangi I hope to do some follow ups for it when I get a chance
18:33 cait jcamins: gtd is not bad, although I don't follow it all
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18:38 rangi my stop bbiab
18:38 jcamins cait: I don't imagine I'll follow all of it, but I'm trying to do as much as I can.
18:39 cait having a next step list is really useful
18:39 cait like when oyu have that big task you don't know where to start and keep delaying it
18:39 cait 'what's the next step?'
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18:41 patric imported marc data, koha seems to think my catalog's empty
18:41 patric log indicates that records were imported, search shows no results
18:44 cait did you set up the cronjobs for indexing?
18:45 patric no, used the debian package, and koha-create, which was supposed to do that for me, checking crontab now
18:45 cait ah
18:45 cait you might need to run another command to activate indexing
18:45 jcamins patric: it should be indexing.
18:45 jcamins Every ten minutes.
18:46 cait listen to him he knows ^^ :)
18:47 rangi you did the stage marc import, or uses
18:48 patric stage
18:48 rangi and you completed it eh? (did the import bit .. i always ask the simple questions)
18:49 patric Yes, it's status is now imported
18:49 rangi /etc/cron.d/koha-common is where the indexing lives
18:49 rangi just for kicks try this
18:50 rangi sudo /etc/init.d/koha-common restart
18:50 rangi will make sure zebrasrv is running
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18:51 pastebot "patric" at pasted "output of restart of koha-common" (4 lines) at
18:51 skushner No, Owen..that wasn't it.
18:51 jcamins patric: you didn't have Zebra running.
18:51 jcamins patric: not sure why, but it wasn't running.
18:52 rangi should be all good from now though
18:52 patric thanks much
18:52 patric was about to start blindly restarting things until it did something different
18:53 patric so, wait ten minutes, and see if my catalog's populated?
18:53 skushner Still getting this error...anyone else have this problem? thanks. Hi..I'm getting the error "Koha error: The following fatal error has occurred: Can't call method "config" on unblessed reference at /home/koha/kohaclone/C4/ line 654. . anyone seen this. It's when I'm trying to install Koha using
18:54 rangi hmm
18:54 rangi what version of Koha skushner ?
18:55 jcamins patric: it should be populated after the next time you pass a ten minute mark.
18:55 jcamins (2:00, 1:50, whatever... it depends what time your server thinks it is;)
18:56 * jcamins goes to make cookies.
18:56 skushner git 3.04.00
18:56 libsysguy ok so i know how to reset a single file via git but what if I wanted to reset all the .po files
18:56 rangi it should be populated now, it shouldnt need zebrasrv to reindex, but do a ps axf | grep "rebuild"
18:56 rangi it might still be running
18:57 rangi skushner: in master i dont have call to config on line 654
18:57 libsysguy seen kf
18:57 wahanui kf was last seen on #koha 1 hours, 52 minutes and 42 seconds ago, saying: sekjal: I think I have no helpful ideas :( [Tue Jan  3 17:04:45 2012]
18:58 cait I am here libsysguy
18:58 libsysguy hey cait :)
18:58 cait but about your git question... better ask rangi :)
18:58 libsysguy remember that problem I was having earlier
18:58 cait oh yes
18:58 libsysguy i found something interesting
18:58 libsysguy if you do the search from the circulation section you don't get the error
18:58 libsysguy but if you just search from the main page you get that template error
19:00 jcamins rangi: you should get one of your interns to turn C4::XSLT into a T::T plugin.
19:00 cait heh
19:01 rangi heh
19:01 rangi i want to train them, not kill them :)
19:01 rangi but actually no, that wouldnt be so bad
19:01 * jcamins doesn't have any interns, so he has to delegate to them.
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19:01 rangi maybe february
19:01 jcamins rangi: that'd be pretty easy, actually, I think.
19:01 jcamins rangi: and it'd be one less thing in C4.
19:02 rangi yep
19:02 jcamins (them, in this case, being rangi's interns;)
19:02 rangi duncan got stolen actually, im done to 1, chrisdothall
19:02 rangi done=down
19:02 patric zebra logs are empty
19:03 cait oh
19:03 rangi (duncan is now on the drupal team)
19:03 cait I was wondeirng
19:03 cait and to drupal
19:03 rangi full time employee
19:03 cait ts.
19:03 cait oh
19:03 rangi the unit tests didnt break him, so he got hired :)
19:04 cait heh
19:04 jcamins Heh.
19:04 rangi ibeardslee: did you ever put up the photos of the academy set up?
19:07 patric it is now populated, with records that don't make sense, I assume that's a marc to koha mapping thing
19:08 cait hm no it shouldn't
19:08 pastebot "patric" at pasted "results of a search for "a" in catalog" (180 lines) at
19:08 cait you shouldn't have to change the mappings
19:08 cait are you using marc21?
19:08 cait and your records are marc21 too?
19:08 cait it looks like they don't have a 245$a = title
19:08 patric That's what I think
19:09 cait I would not recomment changing the mappings - and it wll probably not help your display problem
19:09 cait recommend
19:09 jcamins rangi: if you decide you do want to kill someone with Koha, have them fix C4::Search. :P
19:09 jcamins I agree with cait. Changing the mapping will just make things worse.
19:09 jcamins Much worse.
19:09 ibeardslee rangi: no I didn't, didn't get them .. and probably should have got one yesterday while the laptops disks were being wiped
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19:10 patric checking mapping
19:10 cait where did you get the records from?
19:11 rangi jcamins: theres no fixing, there's only building Koha::Search :)
19:11 rangi ibeardslee: ahh hmm did chrisdothall take the photos?
19:12 ibeardslee he did, probably should have bugged him about it
19:12 cait is he gone too?
19:12 rangi no he's sitting right next to me
19:12 cait libsysguy: both links are to the same template with same parameters?
19:12 * cait waves at chrisdothall
19:15 jcamins rangi: that's what I meant.
19:16 jcamins I meant "fix" as in what one does to pets.
19:16 rangi :)
19:33 patric I used marcedit and a text export from our old system to generate those records
19:34 patric Is there a quick way to flush those records, they look useless, I'm planning to go back to marcedit and recreate them
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19:39 rangi hey wizzyrea
19:39 wahanui I LIKE SCIENCE!
19:39 wizzyrea hi there
19:39 rangi pirates!
19:39 wizzyrea Ninjas!
19:42 libsysguy cait no seperate templates
19:42 libsysguy sorry I had to step away
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19:43 nengard what's the command i should type to get the holds queue to populate on my test server?
19:44 nengard i'm in the kohaclone directory
19:44 rangi look at misc/cronjobs/crontab.example
19:45 jwagner You mean to build the holds queue?  kohaclone/misc/cronjobs/holds/
19:45 nengard yes that's the one
19:46 patric how can I dump my catalog?
19:46 cait do you want to dump your entire database or only the records?
19:46 rangi nengard: the way to call it is in that crontab.example file
19:46 cait patric: and you can get the wrong records out of your system easily by undoing the import
19:47 nengard thanks all
19:47 cait on the manage staded marc records page
19:51 jcamins I love it when a cooking disaster leads to delicious cooking.
19:52 jcamins *cookies
19:52 jcamins A cooking disaster leads to delicious cookies.
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19:57 oleonard jcamins: Like that time I was walking with an open jar of peanut butter, and ran into that cute girl carrying an oversized chocolate bar?
19:58 oleonard The chocolate bar fell right into the peanut butter, and I was all "You got chocolate in my peanut butter!" I was so angry.
19:59 wizzyrea You got your peanut butter on my chocolate!
19:59 oleonard Oh sorry, I guess I was the one with the chocolate.
20:00 wizzyrea how very 70's of you
20:01 jcamins oleonard: exactly.
20:01 patric btw, initial diagnosis was entirely correct, didn't have a 245$a, had it under 130$a
20:01 patric tyvm for the undo import
20:02 oleonard Did people in the 70's really not know that chocolate and peanut butter went well together?  I seriously wonder about that.
20:03 wizzyrea oh sorry 80's
20:03 jcamins wizzyrea: with that hair, I think you could be forgiven for the error.
20:03 wizzyrea hm true
20:04 wizzyrea and that shirt.
20:05 cait hm
20:05 cait I am looking for a software to create a newsletter
20:05 cait html mails with some formatting, pictures etc.
20:06 cait anyone an idea?
20:07 jcamins cait: a butterly?
20:07 jcamins *butterfly
20:07 jcamins real programmers?
20:07 liw Mel
20:07 jcamins wahanui: real programmers is <reply> You should check out
20:07 wahanui OK, jcamins.
20:08 jcamins real programmers?
20:08 wahanui You should check out
20:08 cait jcamins: no teasing please, it's not for me
20:08 jcamins cait: aww, butterflies are always a good idea.
20:08 cait cookies in the shape of butterflies?
20:09 jcamins cait: however, can't you just use a basic HTML editor?
20:09 cait the person asking about it has problems with that
20:09 cait i could
20:09 jcamins Ah. Hrm.
20:10 jcamins PHP List?
20:11 rangi liw: was mel a suggestion for cait ?
20:12 liw rangi, no, a knee-jerk reaction to the words "real programmer"
20:13 liw cait, can you expand on what kind of newsletter, what format it should be sent out as, and what medium it should be sent out as? e.g., does it get sent via e-mail, or is it on a web page? or perhaps printed on paper and sent by post?
20:14 rangi liw: ahh :-)
20:14 cait from what I got told html mail, because it should hav eformatting, pictures and things... and via mail to customers
20:14 cait and I think you are teasing me finishing reading your questions... *sigh*
20:14 * cait goes to hide somewhere in bugzilla
20:14 liw cait, I'm not teasing -- sorry
20:14 * cait peeks out
20:15 jcamins liw: what do you have against butterflies?
20:16 liw cait, do you need a tool to create the html content, or mailing list software to do the actual sending? is something like Thunderbird's HTML formatting suitable?
20:16 cait I guess I am going to suggest that
20:16 cait and it's about creating the mail, some wysiwyg
20:16 liw cait, I'm asking a lot of questions because I want to narrow down the search space to be able to provide a useful answer
20:16 cait thx :)
20:17 cait I think what I need to do is create a template for him to use with thunderbird or outlook
20:17 liw cait, and some people still generate paper newsletters and send them by post, even if it's getting rarer, and since I happen to know about those, I thought I'd ask
20:17 cait the paper bit irritated me a bit :)
20:18 jcamins Help! How do I cancel a merge that went horribly wrong?
20:18 cait git?
20:18 wahanui i guess git is[…]Control_Using_Git
20:18 liw cait, I haven't used the HTML formatting bit of Thuderbird, but I know it's there
20:18 cait I never wrote a html mail all my life I think :)
20:18 cait hm perhaps by accident answering one
20:18 wizzyrea i'm pretty sure I did once accidentally
20:18 jcamins Got it, never mind.
20:19 liw jcamins, I have nothing against butterflies, though I now have a vision of a series of romance novels of a vampire butterfly
20:20 liw rangi,
20:21 jcamins Interesting.
20:21 wahanui interesting is sometimes bad or sometimes good
20:21 * jcamins never heard of Mel Kaye before.
20:21 rangi liw: ahhh *click*
20:21 cait liw: thx for your help :) I think I will investiage what you can do using thunderbird and outlook
20:21 rangi now it makes sense
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20:22 cait hm investigate
20:22 liw cait, no problem, glad to be of help
20:22 cait liw++
20:22 * liw now feels he can stay for another little while on the channel
20:22 * magnus_afk waves
20:23 cait now jcamins is really here for one time and magnuse is waving while afk ;)
20:23 jcamins :)
20:24 magnus_afk things are lining up neatly?
20:28 * magnus_afk wanders off again
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20:57 patric waiting for the new import (with 245$a entries) to index
20:57 patric btw, help in here seems to be top notch, thanks again
20:59 cait :)
21:00 cait you will perhaps have to change some other fields too from the copy you showed earlier
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21:12 eythian[…]ed-librarians-for
21:15 rangi hehe
21:16 cait heya eythian :)
21:16 cait happy new year!
21:16 eythian hallo cait
21:17 eythian same to you :D
21:18 patric Happiness!!
21:18 patric It looks all professional and stuff, not all like I hacked it together (shhh!)
21:19 cait lol
21:20 rangi patric: tell you a secret
21:20 rangi library science is the kingdom of hacks :)
21:20 rangi and IT related to library science is even more so :)
21:20 jcamins eythian: awesome!
21:21 jcamins @quote get 123
21:21 huginn jcamins: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
21:21 rangi patric: koha is something we hacked together in 3 months to solve a y2k issue ... ;)
21:21 jcamins patric: in 16 words, rangi summarized the entirety of library technology.
21:21 rangi lol
21:22 libsysguy ok random question if i have <span property="dc:title">
21:22 libsysguy how do i select that with css
21:22 rangi libsysguy: id give it an id
21:22 rangi but thats my answer to everything
21:22 * libsysguy curses drupals dynamic generation
21:22 jcamins libsysguy: property?
21:23 jcamins That doesn't seem right.
21:23 libsysguy yeah drupal uses them a lot
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21:23 jcamins Huh.
21:23 jcamins Never heard of it.
21:23 jcamins Part of XHTML2.
21:23 libsysguy i guess i could just select the parent then the sub element
21:23 libsysguy but i was hoping i could be lazy
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21:39 patric I feel so at home here.
21:40 melia_lunch is now known as melia
21:41 cait trying to rewrite html generated with word into real html... word--
21:44 paul_p bye world, i'm heading to bed
21:44 paul_p (melia, just QAed 6488 !)
21:44 melia thank you, paul_p!
21:45 eythian cait: I'd wonder if it were easier to use something like catdoc to do it for you (although, it won't give you HTML)
21:46 cait it's ok
21:46 cait I am almost there
21:46 cait but it's impossible to get even simple things like the font color from the code
21:46 cait color:windowtext
21:46 patric There are decent html editors out there, just because word's a flaming pile doesn't mean you need to avoid all of them.
21:47 eythian e.g. vim
21:48 jcamins eythian++
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21:48 jcamins paul_p: wait! If you haven't left yet, I have a quick question!
21:48 cait I am using an editor
21:48 cait plain
21:48 jcamins Which branch for the solr code?
21:49 jcamins dev/solr wip/solr or something else?
21:49 eythian jcamins: bit branch -a | grep solr ?
21:50 eythian *git
21:50 jcamins eythian: there are a whole bunch of solr branches.
21:50 eythian oh ah
21:50 jcamins eythian: leaves a fellow baffled.
21:50 jcamins ;)
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21:53 jcamins Darn. Missed him.
21:53 jcamins I wonder why he didn't get my @later.
21:53 patric thanks again everybody, works peachy
21:53 jcamins @later tell paul_p Which branch should I be looking at for the solr development? dev/solr, wip/solr, or something else entirely?
21:53 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded.
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22:24 ebegin I never saw a way to do a permanent loan. It that possible ?  other than setting the return date way far in the future)
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22:26 wizzyrea ebgin: I have never tried it, but can you set a circ rule without a period?
22:27 wizzyrea I just did it and it set a rule with 0 as the period - let me see what that does
22:27 sekjal ebegin:  interesting...
22:27 wahanui interesting is good
22:27 sekjal if we could get permanent loans to work, we'd have a mechanism for making sales
22:28 sekjal so we could handle not only libraries, but retail establishments as well
22:28 wizzyrea hmm
22:28 sekjal I've always wanted to use Koha for an independent video store (not that there are many left)
22:28 * wizzyrea wonders what a negative period would do
22:29 wizzyrea well you could set a hard due date out like 99zillion years
22:29 ebegin in a another system, NEVER is a choice for the date due
22:30 ebegin I think that dec, 31th, 9999 should do the job for a while :)
22:30 wizzyrea :D
22:30 wizzyrea it would indeed.
22:30 wizzyrea just in case you were wondering
22:30 wizzyrea a negative period does in fact work as you would expect, and makes the item due in the past.
22:30 ebegin :)
22:31 * wizzyrea becomes a time traveler
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22:32 cait nice to now :)
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22:44 bag @wunder 93109
22:44 huginn bag: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 22.8�C (2:43 PM PST on January 03, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 30.10 in 1019.2 hPa (Steady).
22:44 bag @wunder 94102
22:44 huginn bag: The current temperature in SOMA - Near Van Ness, San Francisco, California is 16.9�C (2:44 PM PST on January 03, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.28 in 1025.3 hPa (Steady).
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22:45 rangi @wunder nzwn
22:45 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 19.0�C (11:00 AM NZDT on January 04, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
22:47 bag sekjal where you able to work out a time for ago43 to come visit?
22:47 bag sekjal: you can answer me in a PM :)
22:47 bag hi #koha :)
22:47 rangi heh :)
22:48 bag heh wrong window fail ;)
22:48 rangi ive seen far worse
22:48 bag oh rangi it looks like I've got you beat for todays temp :)
22:48 LBA1 left #koha
22:49 bag yeah I've done worse like - This is my password world - please hack my email :D
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22:52 rangi[…]t-photos-of-2011/
22:57 hdl joined #koha
22:58 bag what no picture of Aloo?
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22:59 rangi hehe you shoulda submitted one :)
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23:24 rangi i had an idea
23:24 rangi we should put a unimarc, marc21 and normarc record of the newsletter up
23:25 rangi and update it with each one, to add a new item, (the item having the url to it in it)
23:25 rangi so people can add the newsletter to their catalogue easily
23:26 rangi and magnuse can put up some rdf tuple, or triple or something too :)
23:27 trea is now known as trea-away
23:27 rangi trea runs away at the idea of cataloguing
23:35 trea-away hey, i resemble that remark
23:35 trea-away :P
23:35 trea-away ok bye
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23:40 rhcl rangi: are you anywhere near Blue Cliffs Beach, or is that south island
23:41 rangi bottom of the south island
23:41 rangi near tuatapere
23:41 rangi the orca vs shark thing?
23:41 rhcl saw the reporting on whales vs sharks
23:41 rangi yep
23:42 rangi orcas kicked their arse
23:58 wizzyrea "orcas kicked their arse"

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