IRC log for #koha, 2011-12-12

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01:00 Cul Hello Koha
01:23 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 1633] Add ability to take book cover images from local img db <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1633>
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03:31 AmitG heya bag :D
03:31 AmitG good morning koha:D
03:31 AmitG :D
03:31 bag hello AmitG
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04:38 kmkale Namaskaar #koha
04:38 BobB hi kmkale
04:38 kmkale Namaste BobB :)
04:39 BobB :)
04:39 BobB Is all good with you?
04:40 kmkale yes BobB how about you & Irma?
04:41 BobB Yes indeed, all well.
04:45 AmitG heya BobB
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04:47 druthb o/
04:49 BobB hi AmitG
04:49 BobB hi Ruth
04:52 AmitG heya druthb
04:57 druthb Hi, Bob and Amit. :)
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05:10 cait hi #koha
05:11 druthb hi, cait. :)
05:11 cait hi druthb :)
05:11 AmitG heya cait
05:11 cait hi AmitG
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05:29 druthb @wunder 75076
05:29 huginn` druthb: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Denison/Sherman TX US, Pottsboro, Texas is 6.7�C (11:03 PM CST on December 11, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: -3.0�C. Windchill: 7.0�C. Pressure: 30.23 in 1023.6 hPa.
05:29 druthb @wunder Sydney, New South Wales
05:29 huginn` druthb: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 19.0�C (4:00 PM EST on December 12, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Steady).
05:30 * druthb makes evil eyeballs at BobB.
05:30 cait @wunder Konstanz
05:30 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 2.6�C (6:24 AM CET on December 12, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011.1 hPa (Steady).
05:30 cait hm, could be worse
05:30 druthb brr
05:30 cait go to sleep :)
05:30 druthb @wunder 57103    #my official address
05:30 huginn` druthb: The current temperature in Dunham Park, Sioux Falls, South Dakota is 1.3�C (11:28 PM CST on December 11, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Windchill: 1.0�C. Pressure: 30.03 in 1016.8 hPa (Falling).
05:31 druthb oh, back above freezing.  Was about 10 below last week.
05:40 bag @wunder 93109
05:40 huginn` bag: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 7.6�C (9:37 PM PST on December 11, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 97%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Windchill: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.82 in 1009.7 hPa (Rising).
05:40 bag cold here
05:41 cait that's not cold
05:41 cait @wunder konstanz
05:41 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 2.5�C (6:34 AM CET on December 12, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Windchill: 2.0�C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011.1 hPa (Steady).
05:42 cait not even that is cold :)
05:42 bag I'm freezing no moatter
05:42 bag matter
05:43 cait ooh
05:46 eythian @wunder wellington, nz
05:46 huginn` eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 17.0�C (6:00 PM NZDT on December 12, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
05:46 eythian hmm, not bad.
05:46 cait hey eythian
05:46 eythian hi there
05:46 wahanui que tal, eythian
05:46 cait it' searly for you
05:46 eythian you mean late?
05:46 cait oh
05:46 cait right
05:46 * cait is not awake yet
05:46 eythian heh
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06:21 AmitG heya Robin
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06:53 magnus_afk @wunder boo
06:53 huginn` magnus_afk: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -1.0�C (7:20 AM CET on December 12, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: -7.0�C. Windchill: -8.0�C. Pressure: 29.44 in 997 hPa (Steady).
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07:28 alex_a morning #koha
07:30 cait bonjour alex_a
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07:45 AmitG heya indradg
07:50 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7338] link to serial detail wrong <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7338>
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07:57 reiveune hello
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08:05 julian_m hi
08:05 wahanui hello, julian_m
08:08 paul_p hello wahanui & al ;-)
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08:13 gaetan_B hello
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08:18 kf back :)
08:18 kf good morning again #koha
08:19 magnus_afk kia ora kf mbalmer gaetan_B paul_p & #koha
08:19 AmitG heya kf, magnus_afk
08:19 mbalmer good morning.   way tooo early...
08:19 magnus_afk is now known as magnuse
08:19 kf god morgen magnuse :)
08:19 magnuse mbalmer: the early bird gets the worm (not sure why you'd want it, though ;-)
08:20 * mbalmer hands the worm to magnuse ...
08:20 magnuse ooh, thanks!
08:20 rangi evening
08:20 kf evening rangi
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08:21 magnuse ata marie rangi
08:21 kf mbalmer: he will probably go fishing with it
08:21 magnuse rangi: how's the kid?
08:21 rangi recovering well
08:21 magnuse nah, i'll set it free and let it roam through the woods again
08:21 magnuse rangi: goody!
08:21 kf magnuse: make sure the birds don't get it
08:22 magnuse yeah...
08:22 * magnuse has done quite a lot of fly fishing, but never ever used live bait
08:23 paul_p magnuse, set the worm free ? in december and in Norway ? You like frozen worm, really ? :D :D
08:23 rangi the trolls might get it
08:24 kf lol
08:24 magnuse well, yeah i knew there was something wrong with what i said earlier...
08:24 kf it's monday and #koha is being silly
08:24 magnuse yay!
08:24 kf yay :)
08:24 magnuse almost xmas ;-)
08:24 magnuse this just in from twitter: "Trolls are huge, smelly, man eating beasts who can smell human blood miles away. And that is why Norway has got free healthcare"
08:24 rangi :)
08:24 paul_p :D
08:26 mbalmer I was looking at some of the code, now my eyes are bleeding ;)
08:26 kf did you look at
08:26 magnuse yeah, better to code with your eyes closed
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08:44 magnuse bonjour francharb
08:44 francharb hi magnuse
08:46 kf hi francharb
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08:55 mbalmer can anyone hint me at a z39.50 server that has german title (deutsch nationalbibliothek) and that works with Koha?
08:55 rangi Koha will work with any Z39.50
08:55 kf hm yes
08:56 kf look where I work
08:56 magnuse
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08:56 mbalmer kf, ok.
08:56 magnuse[…]_count=10&_skip=0
08:56 kf or at the page magnus gave you - search for country = german
08:57 kf germany even
08:57 mbalmer I am trying to populate my demo library ;)  tnx for the links!
08:58 magnuse kf: maybe you could/should consider hosting a german demo installation? :-)
08:59 kf magnuse: it's not that we have not thought about it
08:59 magnuse ah
09:02 mbalmer now that I have thos z39.50 targets, how can I find out if they "speak" a MARC dialect?  German National Library seems to support only SUTRS
09:03 kf those who speak usmarc should work
09:04 mbalmer how do I find out if they do?
09:04 mbalmer ah, the syntaxes are listed.
09:05 magnuse yup, for most of the entries in IRSpy there is a field called "Record syntaxes"
09:05 mbalmer so let's see if SWB-BW is any good ;)
09:05 magnuse but not for the German National Library - weird
09:09 kf I think they have one but it's not public
09:09 magnuse it's listed, but with [none] for record syntaxes
09:11 kf yes, I think they have more but they are not free/public
09:11 magnuse doh!
09:12 mbalmer ok, SWB-BW found my book.  amazing how much data can be associated with a simple book on GUI programming ;)
09:14 kf yeah it is :)
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09:35 kf hm
09:35 kf what do i need to do to make the opacprivacy page show up?
09:35 magnuse isn't there a syspref?
09:35 kf oh
09:35 kf I forgot the anonymous patron
09:36 magnuse ah
09:39 kf hm no
09:39 kf that wasn't the problem
09:39 kf out of ideas then :(
09:39 kf oh
09:39 kf you also need opacreadinghistory
09:39 magnuse OPACPrivacy - ___ patrons to choose their own privacy settings for their reading history. This requires opacreadinghistory and AnonymousPatron
09:40 magnuse yup
09:40 kf yes, those who can read have a clear advantage
09:40 magnuse hehe
09:40 magnuse is that fair, is all i ask ;-)
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09:52 kf hi sophie_m :)
09:52 sophie_m Guten Morgen kf :-)
10:01 mbalmer see you on the other side...
10:01 mbalmer (switching offices)
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10:26 zipporah Can someone out there help me on how to create and print Patron Cards in Koha 3.02 . In Tools there are only things like managing only.
10:30 zipporah Also in your own experiences, what is the best way of charging non-patrons eg. for photocopying, reading books without checking out?. The point here is that they are not registered as Patrons hence they cannot be looked up in the Search for Circulation.
10:33 kf you could create a patron for that purpuse
10:33 kf if you want to track the money
10:34 kf not sure about patron cards and that version
10:39 zipporah kf: Thanks, So I need to create a patron for each type of transaction. Say one for Photocopying, one for Sundry Temporary reading, etc?
10:39 kf you could have one and create fees with those types in that accound
10:39 kf I am not sure that#s in 3.2
10:40 kf but you can create your own fee types with an authorized value called MAN_INV
10:46 zipporah kf: It is 3.2 , I am quite a newbie to Koha especially on this Authorized value aspect. Can you you email me how to do all these fee types with an authorized value so that I can print it off and follow properly. My email  is ; I will very much appreciate.
10:49 kf zipporah: sorry, no
10:49 kf check out the documentation
10:49 kf documentation?
10:50 wahanui documentation is at
10:50 kf and you should consider updateing
10:50 kf because 3.2 is quite old now already, current stable version is 3.6.1
10:54 kf zipporah: it's really not that hard to set up, you need values for a type call MAN_INV
10:56 zipporah kf: Yes I would like to upgrade but I fear losing the Data. I have ready more about upgrading but it sounds somehow completed as it requires a lot of online processes and one needs have a very good communication lines and some good understanding of Linux commands. The one I did was using Koha  Live CD , if there is a way of using an upgrade of Koha Live CD
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10:58 zipporah kf: Where do I look up that MAN_INV  type?
11:03 kf administration > authorized values
11:07 kf zipporah: http://manual.koha-community.o[…]ninformation.html
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11:35 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6374] Use "size" as names/hash keys leads to an unexpected results when using Template::Toolkit (name of a virtual method there) <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6374>
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11:35 mbalmer koha now on my ipad as well
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11:59 kf mbalmer: koha on an ipad?
12:00 kf quite cool
12:00 mbalmer only the IRC channel ;)
12:00 kf oooh
12:00 mbalmer but, hmm, actually a nice idea...
12:00 kf but it's a start
12:01 mbalmer let's see how it looks on the ipad
12:02 mbalmer actually quite usable
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12:37 vfernandes hi Koha people
12:38 vfernandes today i'm starting configuring a Koha for another client.... but i have a doubt...
12:39 vfernandes i need to have 6 libraries on the instance... and the users are the same for each library and can borrow items on each library
12:39 vfernandes it's possible to do this in Koha?
12:43 jcamins_away vfernandes: yes, you just use multiple branches.
12:45 vfernandes but when you create a patron you need to associate a library
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12:47 jcamins_away vfernandes: it doesn't matter which library they're associated with.
12:47 kf vfernandes: this will be the home library for the user
12:47 kf what jcamins_away said :)
12:47 kf and you are not away..
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12:55 vfernandes hummm ok
12:56 vfernandes so it's possible to check out books from other libraries :D
12:57 jcamins You bet. :)
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12:58 vfernandes thanks jcamins and kf... i was a little worried because the first Koha that i've configured it onl had one library
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13:01 kf vfernandes: it will work out :)
13:01 jcamins kf: do you have an install of Master?
13:02 kf hm not right now
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13:02 kf what's the question?
13:03 jcamins The edit items screen looks wrong, but I can't decide if I'm imagining it or not.
13:03 kf looks wrong like?
13:03 kf I need a little bit more informaton :)
13:03 jcamins I don't know!
13:03 kf ok
13:04 jcamins This is why I wanted to know if you had an install of Master.
13:04 kf is it because the navigation is below the table now?
13:04 jcamins Oooh.
13:04 jcamins That's it.
13:04 jcamins Thanks.
13:04 kf no worries :)
13:04 jcamins So there's no bug.
13:04 kf no I think itw as intention
13:04 kf giving it a bit more room
13:05 jcamins That makes sense.
13:05 jcamins I just couldn't quite identify what was different about the page.
13:06 jcamins It's a good idea. :)
13:07 kf :)
13:10 kf marcelr++
13:11 magnuse jcamins: for future reference, i have an installation running master here: login: demo/demo. it's updated automatically every day
13:12 magnuse some day i will reset the database every day too...
13:14 jcamins magnuse: thanks.
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13:14 jcamins I should probably set one of those up.
13:14 oleonard Hi #koha
13:15 magnuse comes in handy every now and then... ;-)
13:15 magnuse hiya oleonard
13:15 * jcamins tempts oleonard with fudge.
13:15 oleonard :)
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13:16 nengard hello all
13:16 magnuse kia ora nengard
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13:17 kf hi nengard :)
13:18 * magnuse joins jcamins in tempting oleonard, and adds some marzipan to the bribes ;-)
13:20 oleonard Are you bribing me for the same thing magnuse or something else? :)
13:20 kf noone wants to bribe me
13:21 kf *sigh*
13:21 magnuse oleonard: same thing, i think... ;-) (picture viewer?)
13:21 * jcamins tempts kf with fudge.
13:21 jcamins Yep.
13:21 oleonard Okay. I hope I'll have time today to take a first look
13:21 kf yay
13:21 kf fudge!
13:22 * magnuse offers kf a bribe of marzipan for doing the norwegian translations
13:22 nengard no fudge for nicole this holiday :(
13:22 nengard just got told i need to have my gall bladder taken out this week!!!! no fatty foods :(
13:22 * oleonard thinks nengard deserves a break she can't seem to get
13:22 jcamins oleonard: don't use the patch I sent you. I was just sending that so you'd have an idea of what it looked like, in case I didn't have a finished patch.
13:22 nengard waiting for the doc office to open so i can schedule the surgery
13:22 * nengard agrees with oleonard
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13:22 * jcamins too.
13:24 * magnuse too
13:26 nengard :)
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13:27 nengard on the plus side - I get to stay home this week - and the airline didn't charge me for cancelling since I fly them all the time and never cancel and have a good excuse :)
13:27 pajinek Hi, we would like to work on translate for czech language. We use koha for a faculty's library. Can you help me, how we can do it? We registered in Thanks.
13:29 magnuse pajinek: you already sent an email to the translate-list right?
13:29 paul_p hi pajinek, here is Paul, from France
13:29 magnuse someone will pick that up and set up the files for you
13:29 paul_p magnuse, I think so. pajinek just be a little bit patient, and Frédéric, our translation manager should take care of you
13:30 pajinek magnuse: yes, it was first activity, that i did.
13:30 paul_p pajinek, note that, if you plan to work heavily on this translation, as you'll be alone at the beginning, it's much more efficient to work on your local computer, with a standard po editor
13:30 paul_p (like poedit, localize, ...)
13:31 magnuse there are some tips here:[…]/Translating_Koha
13:36 nengard hmmm .. doctor's office opens at 8:30 - but theyre not picking up at 8:34 ? grrr
13:37 jcamins nengard: maybe the receptionist also has an MD?
13:37 nengard heh
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13:38 kf nengard: :( hope you feel better soon and no more 'surprises' like that
13:38 nengard me too!
13:39 * magnuse too
13:40 pajinek paul_p: Hi Paul, thanks for advice. Now we try to find more people for translating. At the begining we will work on local system - we are only two. I will be bit patient. :)
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13:43 magnuse kia ora NateC
13:43 NateC kia ora magnuse!
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13:47 kf hi NateC and JesseM :)
13:48 JesseM hiya kf
13:48 NateC greetigns kf!
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14:18 nengard kf do you still need me to test bug 7338 - can't tell from the comment stream
14:18 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7338 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED , link to serial detail wrong
14:19 kf nengard: ah, no. only if you want to :) I can add a signed off patch for frederic's part tonight. I forgot to sign-off before I added the follow up
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14:29 magnuse o/
14:29 kf hi trea
14:30 trea kf! magnuse! hi!
14:30 trea o/
14:31 * paul_p go to mode "pushing patches..."
14:31 magnuse paul_p++
14:31 magnuse \o
14:32 kf list_versions_already_knows? :)
14:33 magnuse ?
14:33 paul_p kf ??
14:33 wahanui kf is cait or really, really sweet. or <reply>she gives me memory loss
14:33 kf from your description, was wondering if that's the table name .)
14:34 kf ah a function
14:34 kf I see.
14:34 kf :) all ok
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14:35 kf hi maximep :)
14:36 maximep hello!
14:36 magnuse bonjour!
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14:40 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 7124 - back to search wrapping in lower resolutions <[…]ec68bcf27912270b6>
14:45 jenkins_koha Starting build 563 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
14:47 magnuse SUCCESS - woo hoo!
14:48 maximep it was fun to see the community working together to make all the tests work on jenkins =)
14:50 oleonard Maybe we'd get even more done if robots were yelling at us more often.
14:51 maximep haha. Maybe they need to pick an old random bug and yell about it all day
14:51 maximep until someone fixes it
14:51 oleonard Or WONTFIXes it ;)
14:54 * chris_n digs out his WONTFIX rubber-stamp
14:56 kf heh
14:56 kf I like the idea actually
14:56 kf "Bug of the day"
14:57 kf wonder who might be able to do something like that....
14:57 kf magnuse: next gbsd is beginning of january?
14:57 kf we should talk about tutorials before that :)
14:57 magnuse next gbsd
14:57 wahanui next gbsd is beginning of january?
14:57 magnuse bah
14:57 oleonard huginn`: Please pick one random, open, non-enhancement bug each day and complain hourly until it is fixed.
14:57 huginn` oleonard: I've exhausted my database of quotes
14:58 magnuse next gbsd is[…]bug_squashing_day
14:58 magnuse next gbsd
14:58 wahanui next gbsd is beginning of january?
14:58 magnuse wahanui: forget next gbsd
14:58 wahanui magnuse: I forgot next gbsd
14:58 magnuse next gbsd is[…]bug_squashing_day
14:58 magnuse next gbsd?
14:58 wahanui next gbsd is[…]bug_squashing_day
14:58 magnuse yay
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15:01 magnuse kf tutorials? sure... what kind?
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15:01 kf it was talked about at the irc meeting
15:02 kf to schedule testing tutorials
15:02 magnuse ah, i should read up on that
15:02 kf how to sign off etc.
15:02 magnuse so set a time and walk people through it on irc?
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15:07 magnuse kia ora wizzyrea
15:07 wizzyrea hi :)
15:08 kf magnuse: or hangout... or whatever we come up with
15:08 kf and perhaps if we offer her fudge/chocolate/cookies wizzyrea will help too ;)
15:08 magnuse cool
15:08 * wizzyrea wonders what she's volunteering for
15:09 magnuse wizzyrea: you don't want to know ;-)
15:09 wizzyrea O.o
15:10 mbalmer hang out sounds like about right ;)
15:11 kf google+ hangout :)
15:11 kf but hanging out in general is good too
15:11 mbalmer oh no.
15:11 mbalmer I deleted my google accounts some weeks ago..
15:11 kf it will certainly not be mandatory
15:11 wizzyrea we could use something like tinychat instead
15:12 mbalmer iChat ;)
15:12 wizzyrea yeano
15:12 mbalmer for those that use macs
15:12 kf what#s the difference to irc?
15:12 * wizzyrea uses a mac and wouldn't use ichat.
15:13 wizzyrea what's the diff between tinychat and IRC?
15:13 wizzyrea tinychat has video capabilities
15:13 mbalmer oh, do I have to specifically enable mod_perl or is that on by default?
15:13 mbalmer my "library" feels a bit slow
15:13 kf no mod_perl
15:14 kf you can activate memcache
15:14 wizzyrea what kind of machine do you have it on
15:14 kf and there are seveal things you can do to improve performance
15:14 mbalmer 3 (or 4) ghz pentium 4, 768MB ram
15:14 wizzyrea oh, that's why
15:15 wizzyrea koha benefits greatly from more memory
15:15 wizzyrea so if you have some lying around I'd put it to work in your server.
15:16 mbalmer it's a test/demo machine only.
15:16 kf mbalmer: I think changing the default mysql configuration is good too
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15:16 kf hi libsysguy :)
15:16 libsysguy hi kf :)
15:16 libsysguy anything going on this morning :p
15:17 oleonard Is there a wiki page on what the correct mysql configuration is?
15:17 kf it's late afternoon - you missed everything
15:17 libsysguy i knew i slept too long
15:17 wizzyrea there are a few posts on how to configure mysql
15:17 kf I think there is something in the mailing list archive
15:17 kf mysqltuner or something?
15:17 wizzyrea 1s I'll find it
15:18 wizzyrea[…]ctional-but-slow/
15:19 wizzyrea and then there's paul_p's post in the comments
15:21 wizzyrea database tuning is at[…]ctional-but-slow/ and[…]rge-koha-database
15:21 wizzyrea database tuning?
15:21 wahanui hmmm... database tuning is at[…]ctional-but-slow/ and[…]rge-koha-database
15:22 mbalmer maybe I am just a bit to much used to our own web frameworks, which are blazingly fast (written in C and Lua).  But I found some RAMs that should fit and double the memory.
15:23 kf I think you have to tell mysql to use that ram too
15:23 kf to make it work
15:23 kf the default settings are not very good I was told
15:23 wizzyrea ^^
15:23 wizzyrea see the tuning posts.
15:23 * wizzyrea tries to remember what she was going to do this week
15:23 * wizzyrea fails
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15:24 jcamins wizzyrea: something awesome?
15:24 wizzyrea hm
15:24 wizzyrea I'd settle for pretty darn neat.
15:24 * jcamins too.
15:24 wizzyrea well, revision
15:24 * jcamins looks at what's on his docket for today.
15:24 jcamins :D
15:25 wizzyrea I'd settle for "something that means something to somebody"
15:25 wizzyrea not a high bar. :P
15:26 wizzyrea I may have to listen to this to get me in the mood:[…]cks-by-foster-the
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15:27 kf wizzyrea: last time I listened to it the song followed me for a week
15:30 wizzyrea yes.
15:31 wizzyrea it does that
15:33 wizzyrea paul_p, about
15:33 wizzyrea ?
15:34 paul_p yep
15:34 wizzyrea oh goodie
15:34 wizzyrea :D
15:34 paul_p what's the question ?
15:34 wizzyrea question for you regarding the test for Search.t
15:34 wizzyrea tests in db_dependent/Search.t
15:34 wizzyrea I can't tell what my db needs to have in it to pass those tests
15:35 wizzyrea I suspect that it needs to have stopwords defined
15:35 wizzyrea but we can't do that anymore
15:35 wizzyrea is that right?
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15:38 jenkins_koha oleonard: Fix for Bug 7124 - back to search wrapping in lower resolutions
15:38 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7124 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Back to search wrapping in lower resolutions
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15:39 paul_p wizzyrea, chris told me those tests should pass if you just have your database with all the sample sql provided in installer/data/mysql/en
15:40 wizzyrea no, they don't
15:40 paul_p about stopwords, I don't know
15:40 * paul_p investigates
15:40 wizzyrea I did it last week :)_
15:40 kf oh no, going unstable again :(
15:41 * wizzyrea was just about to look into it
15:41 wizzyrea hmm
15:41 wizzyrea that looks like a test plan failure.
15:42 kf hm?
15:42 wizzyrea oh, no. The tests for xisbn died prematurely.
15:44 mbalmer schnauze voll,feierabend
15:44 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: bug 7198: show patron name in overdue list even if name column is null <[…]512891bea52bc1bde> / Bug 7159 - Add branchcode to search (take two, revising with Owen... <[…]1b491b3c0132ff0e6>
15:44 paul_p bad plan usually mean you've announced X tests at the beginning of your test plan, and you have M (M<>N)
15:44 paul_p will investigate
15:45 wizzyrea running it manually doesn't get that same result, but it does fail
15:45 paul_p wizzyrea, seems _remove_stopwords in C4/ is still used if QueryRemoveStopwords is set
15:45 paul_p which says "Only applies when Zebra is off"
15:45 paul_p checking if it's true or not
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15:47 * paul_p feel this comment on the syspref is wrong. But not sure. wizzyrea could you drop a mail to koha-devel pls ?
15:47 * paul_p now investigate jenkins failure...
15:48 wizzyrea sure :)
15:48 paul_p strange... no change in XISBN test since ... january...
15:50 * paul_p feel this is wrong : Use of uninitialized value within @_ in lc at /home/paul/ line 466.
15:50 hdl1 paul_p: as far as i know, stopwords are still used when QueryRemoveStopwords is on even with zebra.
15:50 paul_p (trying prove ...)
15:50 paul_p hdl1, yep, my feeling too
15:50 kf hm, I thought it was deactivated
15:50 kf that was my last information and the syspref changed accordingly
15:51 kf but not looking at the code, only thinking I remember a conversation about this
15:51 slef hi all
15:52 wizzyrea hi slef
15:52 jcamins Ooh! It's a rare slef sighting!
15:52 * jcamins waits eagerly for news about the conference. :)
15:52 slef jcamins: bah. I was in the meeting last week.
15:52 * wizzyrea was going to give him a minute to get comfy in his chair.
15:52 jcamins slef: that was a week ago.
15:52 jcamins :P
15:52 jcamins Well, 5 days.
15:53 slef I've never been on IRC every day. Find me on xmpp/jabber if you want me sooner ;)
15:53 * jcamins is patient.
15:53 jcamins Mostly.
15:53 slef But seriously, I was doing another coast-to-coast run on Friday and then took my first weekend off in quite some time :)
15:53 jcamins slef: good for you.
15:53 wizzyrea weekends_off++
15:54 slef s/run/journey
15:54 * jcamins 's bated breath is running out. Don't keep us in suspense! :D
15:54 slef as soon as we get the venue fixed, I'll tell everyone...
15:54 wizzyrea hdl - where does one define the stopwords?
15:55 jcamins Fair enough.
15:55 wizzyrea I suspect that the reason I'm having trouble with the test is that I don't have the right things in my DB
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15:55 slef I'm as frustrated as anyone that it's not sorted yet but it is worth it.
15:55 wizzyrea (I'm working on getting a db ready that will have everything in it to make the unit tests pass when things are working correctly)
15:56 slef great venue... a bit overstretched admin
15:56 wizzyrea or, we dump out the jenkins DB :p
15:56 wizzyrea which probably has all the stuff in it already.
15:56 wizzyrea since on a normal day the tests pass on him just fine.
15:58 slef argh the buggy BIOS on this PC is bugging me!
15:58 slef want to upgrade it to see if that stops it hanging, need to mess with freedos to do that, so waiting until after my next meeting before potentially breaking it all
15:59 jcamins *come to the
15:59 jcamins Buggy BIOS?
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15:59 jcamins You still can't flash a BIOS from Linux?
15:59 slef the system hangs for like 5s at random intervals
15:59 slef jcamins: I suspect you can some BIOSes, but not this asus one.
16:00 jcamins Hmmm. I think perhaps I'd better avoid ASUS MBs.
16:00 slef hey, you can flash it from dos... that's better than needing to have Windows, which is often the case
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16:02 slef Has anyone used the svc API recently?
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16:03 jcamins I'm not even sure what it's for.
16:03 slef[…]ha_/svc/_HTTP_API
16:03 kf that page is very recent
16:03 slef The svc API is[…]ha_/svc/_HTTP_API
16:03 * slef says it in a wahanui-friendly way
16:04 kf slef: there is a new bug for ti too - seems it's still workign :)
16:04 slef seems like dpavlin may be the most knowledgeable
16:05 wizzyrea slef which asus computer do you have?
16:05 * wizzyrea was thinking of buying an asus lapotp
16:05 slef wizzyrea: m5n
16:05 jcamins Ohh, cool!
16:06 slef wizzyrea: I think you might find it on
16:06 wizzyrea :)
16:06 slef wizzyrea: it's like what they made just as they started to figure out what they were doing
16:06 slef kf: good spotting. Thanks.
16:07 wizzyrea I have an asus tablet that I adore, and trea has an asus ultrabook type lappy that is super swank.
16:07 wizzyrea i have a bit of envy ;)
16:09 wizzyrea transformer primes are delayed though :(
16:10 wizzyrea were supposed to be out before xmas - but now delayed until beginning of year
16:10 slef is transformer primes a model?
16:10 wizzyrea they are the new model of the android tablet I have
16:10 wizzyrea oh slef
16:11 wizzyrea what do you think about hp open sourcing WebOS?
16:11 wizzyrea I think it's kind of cool.
16:11 slef cool. Just checking they weren't a kids toy :)
16:11 wizzyrea hehe no
16:11 slef wizzyrea: have you seen what my former colleague savs wrote? I'm on a similar page.
16:11 slef
16:11 slef oops
16:12 slef
16:12 slef I meant to get you the actual link :)
16:12 * wizzyrea found it
16:12 wizzyrea hehe np
16:14 wizzyrea what I'm hoping
16:14 wizzyrea is that WebOS becomes the hacker's mobile platform
16:14 wizzyrea the OEMs can put android on, but you can just as easily nuke that off and put on your super open WebOS
16:14 wizzyrea if you want
16:15 oleonard That was my initial thought as well
16:17 oleonard tcohen++ # for reporting on the Koha for Windows web page issue
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16:25 jcamins nengard: around?
16:25 nengard yes
16:25 jcamins nengard: how do you get the photos you take on your camera onto your Mac?
16:26 nengard i put the sd card in to the card reader and copy them
16:26 jcamins Ah, good call.
16:26 jcamins Thanks.
16:26 wizzyrea also good: plug it in via the usb cable :P
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16:27 wizzyrea or also, a card reader - I have a 20 in 1 that is about the size of a box of matches.
16:27 wizzyrea small box, not a big box.
16:28 kf tcohen++
16:29 jcamins wizzyrea: yeah, but I didn't know what program to use.
16:29 wizzyrea iphoto :P
16:30 wizzyrea really, it's the simplest.
16:30 wizzyrea for a mac anyway
16:30 slef grrrrrr what bloody business insists on phone contact yet closes their phones at 4pm?
16:30 wizzyrea most of the ones that are super critical.
16:30 * wizzyrea hates that.
16:30 slef wizzyrea++
16:31 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed!
16:31 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #564: FIXED in 53 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/564/
16:31 jenkins_koha * lrea: Bug 7159 - Add branchcode to search (take two, revising with Owen's suggestion)
16:31 jenkins_koha * gmc: bug 7198: show patron name in overdue list even if name column is null
16:31 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7159 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, wizzyrea, ASSIGNED , Add branchcode to search
16:32 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7198 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , overdue report does not display patron name if firstname and/or surname are null
16:32 wizzyrea woohoo! paul_p++
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16:32 paul_p wizzyrea, nope. I made nothing !
16:33 wizzyrea weeeeird
16:33 kf wizzyrea: I think jenkins is not done yet
16:33 kf oh
16:33 kf sorry, misread
16:33 fabio_t good evening #koha!
16:33 kf ignore me
16:33 wizzyrea :)
16:34 oleonard jcamins: I'm starting to test your local cover images patch but I forget how to use an atomicupdate script
16:34 paul_p wizzyrea, was about to hit "send" when you woohooed me. I've changed a little bit my email ;-)
16:34 wizzyrea hehe
16:34 oleonard jcamins: Do I just run it?
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16:38 jcamins oleonard: I just run it directly.
16:38 jcamins I think paul_p does something to make it run automatically.
16:39 paul_p nope, I don't. rangi told me he made a pre-commit git hook, I didn't
16:40 jcamins paul_p: then how does it get run when it's committed?
16:40 paul_p jcamins, prove blabla
16:41 paul_p oups, sorry, I mixed 2 things...
16:41 paul_p forget !
16:41 paul_p when there is an atomicupdate, I just perl atomicupdate/
16:41 paul_p (and with the new updatedatabase system, that will be automatically done !)
16:42 jcamins paul_p: yeah, that's why I decided to use atomicupdate.
16:44 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7215 - changed callnumber PRESET field to itemcallnumber <[…]052ad966546a76e7f>
16:45 jenkins_koha Starting build 565 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED)
16:45 oleonard jcamins: The Edit->Upload image menu item is a nice touch
16:46 * paul_p switches to mode "QAing" (as there are no more patches to push, except those with an updatedatabase, that I keep for the new updatedatabase system
16:46 nengard question about the dontmerge preference - it says you need a cron job to get it to work is that true?
16:46 nengard I'm hearing conflicting things
16:46 nengard and need to make sure the manual is up to date
16:46 kf bye all
16:46 nengard and that the preference description in Koha is right
16:47 jcamins oleonard: thanks.
16:47 jcamins nengard: the cron job doesn't exist anymore, I don't think.
16:47 nengard then we need to update the preference
16:47 nengard cause i still calls for it
16:47 jcamins nengard: oh, it's still required.
16:47 jcamins I just don't think it's still there.
16:47 nengard what???
16:47 nengard so that preference doesn't work at all
16:48 kf jcamins: isn't there a new table in the database?
16:48 kf I thought someone (marcel?) did some work on that
16:48 jcamins nengard: that's my assumption.
16:48 jcamins kf: a new table in what?
16:48 jcamins kf: for what?
16:48 * Brooke is reminded of all the stray wiring connected to nothing in her old house...
16:48 jcamins kf: I'm sure you know what I meant.
16:48 kf authorities that need to be merged
16:48 kf let me find it
16:48 jcamins kf: oh, maybe.
16:49 nengard and does that database table actually do the merging? or just sit there?
16:49 jcamins nengard: I have no idea, then.
16:49 nengard it sounds like we need a manual update big time and an update to the preference description in Koha so that people know that there is no cron
16:49 kf bug 6094
16:49 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6094 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---,, ASSIGNED , Fixing ModAuthority problems
16:50 kf seems you can do both
16:50 kf comment 26
16:50 nengard kf that looks promising
16:50 nengard but shouldn't we update the preference to make it clear that it's not required?
16:50 kf and the table has a similar function than zebraqueue has
16:51 kf i think it is required if you set it to dontmerge
16:51 kf so making clear there are options perhaps?
16:51 kf we don't use that function, so I am not sure what is best
16:51 kf have to go food shopping - have to make some kind of dessert for our xmas party tomorrow :)
16:51 kf bye all :)
16:51 nengard okay, i'll post to koha dev to ask for manual update assistance!
16:51 nengard thanks all
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16:54 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7082: Template improvements for better translatability <[…]2c64de0b25c497bbf> / Bug 7336 - generates an error in the log <[…]209edf851689f8342>
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17:39 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #565: UNSTABLE in 53 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/565/
17:39 jenkins_koha * info: Bug 7215 - changed callnumber PRESET field to itemcallnumber
17:39 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 7336 - generates an error in the log
17:39 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7215 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, brendan, ASSIGNED , callnumber versus itemcallnumber
17:39 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7336 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , generates an error in the log
17:39 jenkins_koha Starting build 566 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #564 2 h 0 mn ago)
17:40 rangi patch for bug 7215
17:40 rangi broke the labels test
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18:00 fabio_t bye!
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18:23 tcohen i'd like to checkout the koha/solr code from biblibre
18:23 tcohen directions?
18:25 tcohen nevermind, just found it
18:31 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #566: STILL UNSTABLE in 52 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/566/
18:31 jenkins_koha Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7082: Template improvements for better translatability
18:31 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7082 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED , Template improvements for better translatability
18:31 rhcl_away BTW, tcohen, you handled the window Koha issue well
18:39 francharb hey there
18:39 francharb i've got a question about aqorders
18:39 francharb anyone knows the difference between sort1 and sort1_authcat
18:39 francharb within aqorders?
18:40 francharb koha also have sort1_authcat within aqbudgets table
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18:41 rangi not me, but I think it was a biblibre thing, so ask around :)
18:41 francharb hehe
18:43 francharb i think aqbudget.sort1_authcat would be for the authorised value category linked to the sort1 field...
18:43 francharb and aqorder.sort1 for the value you put within the orderling
18:43 francharb orderline
18:43 francharb to me, it makes sense this way
18:44 francharb and aqorders.sort1authcat doesnt look like relevent
18:44 francharb before signing off this patch[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7342
18:44 huginn` Bug 7342: critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, alex.arnaud, ASSIGNED , aqbudgets statistics doesn't work when using Authorized values on sort1_authcat or sort2_authcat
18:45 francharb i will ask paul_
18:45 francharb p
18:45 francharb thanks rangi
19:03 oleonard rangi++ # for lots of signoffs
19:04 cait rangi++ indeed
19:05 * cait goes back to destroying her kitchen with brownie baking
19:05 jcamins Mmm. Brownies.
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19:44 jcamins oleonard++ # for making the image viewer beautiful
19:45 oleonard I wouldn't go that far, but I'm working on it :)
19:45 rangi :)
19:46 oleonard jcamins you must have really gotten a bee in your bonnet about images over the weekend to have done all that work
19:46 jcamins oleonard: well, I had kmkale's patch as a starting point.
19:47 jcamins Not that much of the code ended up in the final version, but at least the idea was present.
19:47 jcamins And I'm photographing a collection on Wednesday.
19:49 oleonard jcamins: In its present state is this preference intended to work in isolation, not in conjunction with other services?
19:49 jcamins oleonard: that's correct.
19:49 jcamins kmkale is working on a follow-up that will allow multiple cover images to coexist, apparently.
19:50 oleonard I wonder how that would work
19:50 jcamins I have no idea.
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19:57 cait perhaps giving it a priority list?
19:58 oleonard Seems like you'd have to have JavaScript querying one service after another looking for a valid image, and wouldn't that take forever?
19:59 cait no idea
19:59 cait ajax?
19:59 rangi potentially, but if you did it ajaxly, it wouldnt/shouldnt slow the page down
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20:02 rhcl_away 'allow multiple cover images to coexist"  =? display cycling through multiple images, � la animated gifs
20:02 jcamins rhcl_away: that seems like it would be really annoying.
20:03 cait I agree
20:03 cait everything that moves is eew
20:04 jcamins Unless it's a cute cat.
20:04 cait heh
20:04 rhcl_away Well, I hate most animated gifs, but sometimes image cycling is OK
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20:06 oleonard jcamins: I wonder if it's necessary to have some mechanism to specify which of multiple images is the primary one. I'm assuming right now the primary one is whichever was added first?
20:07 cait hm
20:07 cait some way to mark one as primary?
20:08 * cait wonders if these brownies are going to work out
20:08 oleonard cait: You may have to specify multiple sources for your brownies in case the first one fails.
20:08 cait lol
20:08 cait no more ingredients...
20:08 cait let's hope they work
20:08 cait they are for the xmas party tomorrow
20:09 cait and I am too tired to start on something else too
20:09 jcamins oleonard: yeah, the plan was to have it random, but I had issues figuring out random, and decided that was a good "exercise for the interested reader."
20:13 moodaepo @wunder 56001
20:13 huginn` moodaepo: The current temperature in MSU Physics Dept, Mankato, Minnesota is 4.4�C (2:10 PM CST on December 12, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 30.14 in 1020.5 hPa (Rising).
20:13 oleonard
20:13 wizzyrea guys! that's awesome!
20:14 * moodaepo I guess spring is a little early
20:15 jcamins Nice!
20:15 jcamins oleonard++
20:15 moodaepo oleonard++
20:15 rangi very cool
20:18 moodaepo rangi++ # on a totally different note
20:18 cait oleonard++! :)
20:19 cait rangi++
20:19 cait there is always a reason
20:19 rangi lol
20:20 moodaepo cait++ : )
20:20 chris_n oleonard++
20:20 cait hi chris_n :)
20:20 cait ok
20:20 oleonard Hey, jcamins did the hard parts!
20:20 cait time to get the brownies out of the oven :)
20:21 cait jcamins++ !
20:21 chris_n hey cait
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20:48 rhcl_away *wonders if it would be possible to add a Koha feature to ILL brownies and hamburgers from another library
20:48 * jcamins wonders why someone would want to ILL hamburgers.
20:48 cait hehe
20:49 cait brownies and fudge?
20:49 * jcamins thinks brownies would be sufficient.
20:49 cait they smell good
20:49 * jcamins submits an ILL request for brownies from cait.
20:49 * cait eyes her work suspiciously
20:49 cait lol
20:49 cait you have to come and get htem
20:49 gmcharlt jcamins: international ILL requests?  those can get expensive ;)
20:49 cait I would be willing to carry some to scotland
20:50 ibeardslee are they 'special' brownies that you wouldn't be able to get past the sniffer dogs?
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20:52 wizzyrea O.o
20:53 rhcl_away Well, if my library doesn't stock hamburgers...what am I supposed to do?
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20:54 jcamins rhcl: eat brownies?
20:54 rhcl Aren't there like, really strict import restrictions in Europe? Can you carry non-commercial food from country to country?
20:55 jcamins rhcl: no one ever stopped me carrying homemade cookies into Scotland.
20:55 rhcl jcamins: I think a famous headless French woman once suggested something similar.
20:56 wizzyrea this channel just became like wikipedia - it all ends up with marie antoinette's underwear.
20:57 jcamins Argh! Did they eliminate the history eraser in Photoshop?
20:58 oleonard That seems unlikely
20:58 jcamins It's now the history *brush*.
21:01 cait rhcl: I don't know abou tuk
21:01 cait about uk
21:01 cait have to research that
21:01 cait but not in general
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21:15 oleonard Bye all
21:15 wizzyrea Bye!
21:16 oleonard left #koha
21:16 wizzyrea lol, what sucks is that I was ready but I kept typoing bye!
21:17 cait lol
21:18 cait you still were fast enough :)
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21:20 wizzyrea where was chris_n's tools repo again?
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21:32 rangi i cran remember
21:32 * wizzyrea has never had cran-remember
21:33 wizzyrea is that like cran-apple?
21:33 rangi heh
21:33 rangi i dunno how can't morphed into cran
21:37 rhcl presentation proposal done, time for a coffee/hamburger/brownie break
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21:38 * jcamins finds it ironic that he just received a tweet (i.e. Twitter tweet) on a mailing list.
21:38 rhcl is that like ssh over http?
21:38 librarygeekadam would anyone be able to direct me to a site that gives some good steps on making Koha unique. I just installed it on a laptop for testing and I would like to really make a good impression on the people that make decisions.
21:38 jcamins rhcl: only sillier.
21:38 jcamins oleonard's blog?
21:38 wahanui oleonard's blog is
21:39 jcamins librarygeekadam: ^^ that site.
21:39 librarygeekadam cool...thank you very much
21:39 wizzyrea sec
21:39 wizzyrea one more place
21:39 librarygeekadam ok
21:39 wizzyrea http://kudos.koha-community.or[…]stomization-1.pdf
21:39 cait like a screenshot in a word document?
21:39 librarygeekadam sure
21:39 cait hm
21:39 wizzyrea http://kudos.koha-community.or[…]stomization-1.pdf
21:39 cait scrolling down first...
21:40 wizzyrea oh
21:40 wizzyrea criminy. sorry
21:40 jcamins cait: yes, exactly.
21:40 wizzyrea now, not all of that applies
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21:40 wizzyrea but most of it does.
21:40 librarygeekadam awesome
21:40 librarygeekadam I appreciate it
21:40 wizzyrea sure.
21:40 * cait has to wait another 30 minutes for the brownies... because she forgot to turn on the oven...
21:41 * wizzyrea has done that
21:41 ibeardslee oops
21:41 * wizzyrea sends cait egg nog
21:41 librarygeekadam its my first time on here and I really appreciate the help. I will definitely come back if I have questions :) thank you again
21:41 cait you think alcohol is going to fix it?
21:41 wizzyrea it never hurts.
21:41 ibeardslee I did that at my house warming a few years back .. quite embarrassing that the chicken nibbles were taking so long to cook
21:41 wizzyrea hmm i imagine your house wasn't very warm with the oven off.
21:42 wizzyrea :)
21:42 jcamins wizzyrea: there was eggnog. Who could tell what the temperature actually was? ;)
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21:42 ibeardslee hehe
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21:45 wizzyrea ok, every time mbalmer comes in I think 2 things: 1. are you a mortician? and 2. are you related to steve ballmer because if it's #2 -- this springs to mind.
21:46 mbalmer sorry, but I think you are a bit retarded.
21:46 wizzyrea interesting.
21:46 wahanui interesting is sometimes bad or sometimes good
21:47 mbalmer a martician is an embalmer.  I am mbalmer.
21:47 mbalmer Steve Ballmer has two 'l's, mbalmer has one.
21:47 wizzyrea no, a martician is a retail clerk from mars.
21:48 mbalmer and your remarks are just plain stupid.
21:48 mbalmer I did not choose my family name, did you?
21:48 jcamins mbalmer: we do our best to be civil on #koha.
21:48 wizzyrea Actually, I did.
21:49 * wizzyrea apologizes if I upset you
21:49 mbalmer jcamins, please tell that do the folks that make fun of balmerisms
21:49 mbalmer wizzyrea, it's ok.
21:49 wizzyrea clearly.
21:49 mbalmer I am just so tired of that jokes.
21:50 wizzyrea Oh, a raw nerve thing.
21:56 aarkerio hi! there is a way to know who add a Marc record?
21:56 wizzyrea should be in the logs
21:56 wizzyrea actionlogs by biblionumber
21:57 aarkerio do you mean a text file?
21:57 jcamins aarkerio: no, in the database.
21:57 jcamins Tools > Log viewer
21:57 wizzyrea no, i ^^ what he said
21:59 aarkerio thanks!
21:59 wizzyrea :)
22:00 libsysguy ok not to butt in here but I feel like i have royally messed up
22:00 wizzyrea uhoh
22:00 wizzyrea no please, butt in.
22:00 wizzyrea I'm begging you.
22:00 libsysguy i accidentally ran rm -rf biblios* on my prod box...I killed it before it finished it but i think it still got something
22:00 libsysguy becuase now searching is broken
22:00 libsysguy and i ran it from ~
22:01 libsysguy like an ITIOT...
22:01 wizzyrea in what directory?
22:01 wizzyrea oh
22:01 libsysguy so it could have gotten to kohaclone or oha-dev
22:01 cait hm, killed zebra stuff perhaps?
22:01 libsysguy yeah maybe
22:01 cait koha-dev zebra biblios maybe
22:01 wizzyrea you may have to reindex
22:01 cait yep
22:01 wizzyrea that's most likely even.
22:01 libsysguy or sweet baby jesus why
22:02 jcamins libsysguy: you deleted the indexes, most likely.
22:02 libsysguy during finals...
22:02 wizzyrea libsysguy: breath chum.
22:02 libsysguy im the best guy ever
22:02 wizzyrea breathe*
22:02 wizzyrea from great mistakes come great learning.
22:02 * libsysguy procedes to hyperventelate
22:02 * wizzyrea gets libsysguy a paper bag
22:02 libsysguy gracias
22:03 wizzyrea do this: go out the back door, have a freak out, then come in and fix it :)
22:03 wizzyrea < has experience with this technique
22:03 libsysguy haha yeah ill just go take a run...away from Margo
22:03 cait lol
22:03 cait start the reindex first
22:04 wizzyrea ^^
22:04 cait what did you want to do if I may ask that?
22:04 wizzyrea your'e not running packages? It actually backs up the indexes.
22:04 libsysguy packages
22:04 wahanui package info is at[…]on_Debian_Squeeze
22:04 wizzyrea[…]upted_zebra_index
22:05 libsysguy crap I don't think I am
22:05 sekjal libsysguy: if you're running hourly loans, you're a git install
22:05 libsysguy cait: i ran rm -rf biblios* from ~
22:06 libsysguy yeah i am
22:06 cait I saw that
22:06 * libsysguy shakes head
22:06 wizzyrea the first question
22:06 wahanui i heard the first question was "What are you trying to do?"
22:06 cait and I don't assume you had planned to do what you ended up doing
22:06 wizzyrea ^^ is what she was asking
22:06 libsysguy negative
22:06 libsysguy it was most certainly a case of tab confusion
22:08 ibeardslee hmm I find it unusual to think that prod data (even if they are just indexes) would live in ~
22:08 libsysguy yeah but it was a -r
22:08 libsysguy for recursive
22:09 ibeardslee yeah but that further away from / rather than closer
22:09 wizzyrea unless you've got your indexes sitting directly in ~
22:09 wizzyrea in a directory called biblios
22:09 cait brownies finally done
22:09 * ibeardslee assumes that ~ meant /home/libsysguy
22:09 cait yay!
22:09 * wizzyrea too
22:09 cait time to go - night all!
22:10 wizzyrea bye cait :)
22:10 mbalmer cait, so long for brownies?
22:10 mbalmer that was like 3 hours?
22:10 ibeardslee don't get too many brownie crumbs in bed
22:10 wizzyrea she forgot to turn the oven on.
22:10 jcamins Time for me to go.
22:10 jcamins is now known as jcamins_away
22:10 mbalmer that must be tiles….
22:10 wizzyrea bye jcamins
22:10 cait ibeardslee: I won't :)
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22:13 aarkerio in what table is the username saved?
22:13 libsysguy aarkerio:  borrowers
22:13 wahanui it has been said that borrowers is the same
22:13 aarkerio thanks again!
22:13 wizzyrea forget borrowers
22:13 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot borrowers
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22:20 aarkerio an image of koha database design exist in the wiki?
22:20 wizzyrea aarkeri
22:20 wizzyrea schema?
22:20 wahanui schema is probably tracked in git. or found at
22:20 aarkerio that is much better!
22:20 wizzyrea :)
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22:23 aarkerio I got it:
22:23 aarkerio SELECT AL.timestamp, B.firstname FROM action_logs AS AL, borrowers AS B WHERE'item' AND B.borrowernumber = AL.user ORDER BY B.firstname;
22:23 wizzyrea you weren't able to get it out of the tools -> log?
22:23 wizzyrea usually the object number is the biblionumber
22:25 aarkerio I see only "biblio" and "item" objects
22:25 aarkerio I guess biblio is the new MARC
22:26 wizzyrea you want to know who added an item or a biblio?
22:27 aarkerio mmm, a MARC record
22:27 wizzyrea so a biblio
22:28 aarkerio what should I set in "Librarian" ?    (Browse system logs)
22:28 wizzyrea that's the borrowernumber of the librarian - but I don't think you need it
22:28 wizzyrea all fields are optional
22:30 aarkerio if I set "biblio" or "item"  as Object  I get   "No log found"
22:30 wizzyrea hm
22:31 wizzyrea oh
22:31 wizzyrea no, you have to put the biblionumber of the bib you are looking for
22:31 wizzyrea in there
22:31 wahanui i heard in there was the command to rebuild the indexes
22:31 wizzyrea for get in there
22:32 wizzyrea forget in there
22:32 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot in there
22:32 aarkerio well, I can add the SQL to reports, is OK
22:32 aarkerio thanks pals!
22:32 wizzyrea :)
22:33 wizzyrea well, that works for me anyway
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22:40 libsysguy i wonder if we could alias a command in wahanui so that when you say forget *something* it says "I'm afraid I can't do that, <username>"
22:41 libsysguy @random quote
22:41 huginn` libsysguy: Error: The command "random" is available in the Factoids and Quote plugins.  Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "random".
22:41 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn`.
22:41 libsysguy @quote random
22:41 huginn` libsysguy: Quote #92: "<schuster> Why even learn when there is a genius in the room..." (added by jwagner at 01:43 PM, August 27, 2010)
22:41 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn`.
22:41 wizzyrea hehe
22:41 wizzyrea @quote random
22:41 huginn` wizzyrea: Quote #148: "<oleonard> sekjal wants EVERYTHING in a matrix! <sekjal> I'm like the Anti-Neo" (added by wizzyrea at 05:11 PM, August 25, 2011)
22:41 wizzyrea oh I love that one.
22:42 libsysguy haha that one is good
22:42 wizzyrea @quote random
22:42 huginn` wizzyrea: Quote #51: "jwagner thinks true joy is not wanting to do a telecon, and finding out the other person has forgotten about it & left for the day :-)" (added by a user that is no longer registered at 07:35 PM, January 20, 2010)
22:42 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn`.
22:44 eythian wahanui: germs?
22:44 wahanui Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world.
22:45 libsysguy ok random question about menu's which primary menu do you like better or
22:46 libsysguy (by primary menu I mean that orange bar)
22:47 maximep wow, it almost crashed my browser
22:48 libsysguy which one?
22:48 wahanui which one is probably it
22:48 maximep for some reason it started downloading a thousand images
22:48 maximep :S
22:48 libsysguy o.m.g
22:48 libsysguy the www2 or the lib site?
22:48 maximep first one in opera
22:48 maximep the www2
22:48 maximep no prob in ff
22:48 libsysguy phew not mine :p
22:49 libsysguy sorry about that maximep
22:51 maximep well, I prefer the www2
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22:51 maximep because it's faster
22:51 eythian me too, mostly for the same reason
22:51 eythian also it looks a little cleaner.
22:51 libsysguy faster load time?
22:51 eythian no (well yes) but faster access time
22:51 eythian as in, there's no fade-in
22:52 maximep exactly
22:52 libsysguy ahh
22:52 eythian oh wait, probably slower load time
22:52 libsysguy ok well that is very fixable
22:52 eythian but I have good internet here
22:52 eythian also, I don't like the couple-mm gap between the top of the drop-down and the menu bar.
22:53 libsysguy I'm acutally not much for that either
22:53 libsysguy went ahead and changed that dropdown speed
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22:53 libsysguy I think i can fix that gap
22:54 libsysguy eythian and maximep do you like the images and multicolumns in the www2 site?
22:55 eythian I think they look better, but I suspect it'll impact their usability.
22:56 libsysguy well it impacts the maintainability...lib uses all dynamic menu's...www2 has to be done by hand
22:56 maximep yeah I like the images, except the one with a fake youtube video :S
22:57 maximep I dont think it impacts usability
22:57 maximep but yeah, I see your problem if yiou have to do them manually :/
22:58 libsysguy yeah...I'm trying to make it as easy to maintain as possible
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23:08 wizzyrea ok and with that, I bid you all good evening.
23:08 wizzyrea until tomorrow!
23:08 wizzyrea or later, who knows.
23:09 rangi cya wizzyrea
23:11 wizzyrea www2
23:11 wizzyrea for me
23:11 wizzyrea now I"m gone
23:11 wizzyrea for real
23:13 libsysguy laterz qizz
23:13 libsysguy wizzyrea**
23:18 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7157] Improve the cronjob <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7157>
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