IRC log for #koha, 2011-11-01

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00:33 phlunk3 hey guys, just about to have a librarian visit me as she has tried to install koha on a debian machine from git and is having problems. I have only ever installed koha via the packages. Are there also packages available for debian? and if not can anyone point me to an installation guide from git (I didnt google yet, about to look ;))
00:34 phlunk3 found the directions now ;)
00:37 phlunk3 she was saying she had issues setting up the cron jobs, but I don't see any mention of cron requirements in this install method ([…]d%29#Installation ) am I missing something?
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01:21 cait phlunk3: there is an example file for the cronjobs in koha
01:21 cait phlunk3: and information about the different jobs can be found in the manual
01:21 phlunk3 thanks cait, in the git repo is an example you mean?
01:21 cait yes
01:21 phlunk3 still waiting to see the librarians system so not 100% sure what help she needs yet :)
01:21 cait misc/cronjobs or something like that
01:26 phlunk3 thanks cait.
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03:25 Oak kia ora #koha
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03:33 bg morning all
03:34 Oak morning bg
03:34 bg heya Oak
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03:34 druthb o/
03:34 Oak \o
03:34 druthb \o/
03:34 Oak :]
03:35 druthb wahanui: druthb?
03:35 wahanui it has been said that druthb is rocking the sari.
03:35 * druthb blushes
03:35 Oak hehe
03:35 Oak cool
03:35 druthb it's *glorious*.  I'll have pictures right after my presentation, which starts an hour from now.
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03:39 Irma hi all from Thane
03:43 phlunk3 completely fresh ubuntu install, I want to install koha-common, do I need to install mysql-server and apache first or will they be prompted? and is there any online walkthrough for this process? can't seem to find anything for ubuntu using koha-common online but am sure I've used it before.
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03:46 Khdw Hello
03:46 wahanui what's up, Khdw
03:46 Khdw I.m writing from Mongolia
03:46 Khdw I want installing Koha on I-Page
03:47 Khdw Can I installing internet ?
03:47 phlunk3 begging for an answer guys :P got someone from a np here who will be off to fiji shortly to show off koha to the local councils and just needs a base install to show oh her laptop.
03:49 druthb phlunk3: when you do the apt-get install, it should pick up mysql-server and apache2 automagically.
03:50 Khdw I want using dedicated server on the internet. Like
03:51 phlunk3 thx druthb  :)
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03:59 * druthb gets her head screwed on straight for her presentation.
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04:00 Phlunk4 hi guys, can someone tell me how to add the koha repo for ubuntu so I can use apt to install koha-common? I already added deb squeeze main to my sources.list :S
04:02 ibeardslee should just now be able to to 'apt-get update' and then 'apt-get install koha-common' .. I think
04:04 Phlunk4 any idea about this issue?
04:05 Phlunk4 koha-common: Depends: libhttp-oai-perl but it is not installable
04:05 Phlunk4 Depends: liblocale-currency-format-perl but it is not installable
04:05 Phlunk4 Depends: libmemoize-memcached-perl but it is not installable
04:05 Phlunk4 Depends: libpdf-api2-simple-perl but it is not installable
04:05 Phlunk4 Depends: libtext-csv-encoded-perl but it is not installable
04:05 Phlunk4 sorry for spam
04:06 Phlunk4 nm will work on it tonight from home :) maybe cause I had 64 bit ubuntu though?
04:07 ibeardslee shouldn't matter
04:07 ibeardslee there is some magic incantation that should sort that
04:08 ibeardslee 'apt-get -f install koha-common'  might do it
04:08 Phlunk4 lol
04:08 Phlunk4 that will mean I am missing dependancies though yeah?
04:09 ibeardslee if I understand it right, it'll work a bit hard at getting them sorted
04:09 Phlunk4 says the same with the -f also unfortunately
04:09 ibeardslee could also try installing each of those dependancies individually
04:09 ibeardslee oh
04:10 Phlunk4 ahh
04:10 Phlunk4 I need to enable more repos I believe :)
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04:12 Phlunk4 its okay guys, will come beg for more support this evening when I get home :) thanks for the help
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06:19 * druthb is moderating a lightning round.  :)
06:19 Oak @later tell cait Koha development version (git cloned) installed and working, but on my Slackware \o/
06:19 huginn Oak: The operation succeeded.
06:20 Oak :) how was it druthb
06:20 Oak the presentation
06:20 druthb went well, I think.  :)
06:20 Oak you think? :D
06:20 druthb I think.
06:21 druthb ask someone who saw it...they're the ones who benefit, not me.
06:21 Oak okay. :)
06:21 Oak fair enough
06:22 Oak @later tell cait i'll give Debian another try however... later.
06:22 huginn Oak: The operation succeeded.
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06:58 druthb Pics are up of me rocking the sari:[…]i-Kohacon%202011/
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07:00 Oak purple sari! very very nice :)
07:01 druthb thanx, Oak.  I had a great photographer.
07:01 * druthb points at sekjal.
07:01 * sekjal looks up in a daze
07:01 sekjal very tired today
07:02 Oak good work with the camera sekjal :)
07:02 Oak why tired? feeling okay?
07:02 sekjal Oak:  no, I'm sick
07:03 Oak what happened
07:03 sekjal upper respitory, coughing
07:03 sekjal my voice is weak
07:03 Oak uh oh
07:03 Oak because of dust may be... in the air
07:04 Oak take good care of that.
07:06 sekjal Oak:  everyone is handing me meds
07:06 sekjal I'll take an early night tonight, and hope to sleep if off
07:06 Oak well, don't eat all of them
07:06 sekjal s/if/it/
07:06 sekjal Oak:  just one at a time, as they wear off :)
07:06 Oak :) good.
07:10 Oak sekjal, if you can, drink Kashmiri Kahwa
07:10 Oak
07:18 magnus_away is now known as magnuse
07:20 magnuse namaste #koha
07:21 druthb namaste, magnuse.
07:21 magnuse yay!
07:21 eythian| hi magnuse
07:22 sekjal good morning, magnuse
07:22 * druthb sets up a quarantine zone around sekjal, just in case.
07:22 magnuse how are things going in thane?
07:22 Oak magnuse
07:22 magnuse Oak
07:23 magnuse @wunder mumbai
07:23 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 34.0�C (12:10 PM IST on November 01, 2011). Conditions: Smoke. Humidity: 41%. Dew Point: 19.0�C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Falling).
07:23 magnuse ooh
07:23 druthb It's going well, other than poor sekjal being sick.  I'm done with my presentation, so I'm feeling much better.
07:25 magnuse yay
07:25 magnuse here's hoping sekjal gets better real soon!
07:25 sekjal thanks, magnuse
07:25 sekjal so long as I take it easy, I should be okay
07:26 sekjal no late hacking tonight
07:28 magnuse yeah, save some energy for the hackfest
07:29 magnuse btw: it looks like MARC is dead: "A Bibliographic Framework for the Digital Age"[…]ework-103111.html
07:30 magnuse "The new bibliographic framework project will be focused on the Web environment, Linked Data principles and mechanisms, and the Resource Description Framework (RDF) as a basic data model."
07:34 stuartyeates magnuse: it's not like it's been smelling dead for a while now or anything...
07:36 magnuse nah, not at all... ;-)
07:37 magnuse is there an official number of attendees at kohacon?
07:38 druthb There are about a hundred, magnuse, but I've not heard an official number.
07:38 * druthb signs off for lunch
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07:40 sekjal magnuse:  some people come only for one day or another, so it varies
07:40 * sekjal leaves for lunch, as well
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07:42 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 3966] receiving items should allow for entering barcode <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3966>
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07:51 cait morning #koha
07:51 magnuse guten morgen cait
07:51 cait hi magnuse :)
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08:35 eythian| wahanui: marc
08:35 wahanui
08:35 eythian| hi cait
08:36 cait hi eythian :)
08:36 magnuse yay
08:36 cait I like your slides!
08:38 magnuse eythian|: looks like MARC is starting to fade now, the LoC seems very much in favour of semantic data. yay!!!
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08:39 eythian| cait: cool
08:39 druthb o/
08:39 cait hi druthb :)
08:40 cait ... and for the record - you rock the sari :)
08:40 eythian| magnuse : I'll believe it when I see it :-)
08:40 druthb :)  thanx, cait
08:40 cait eythian: same for me
08:41 magnuse eythian|: yeah, but i think these are steps in the right direction
08:41 cait magnuse: you want hope - I can understand that ;)
08:41 magnuse i have tried to start an RFC on the wiki:[…]Semantic_data_RFC
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08:41 magnuse i think we need to start thinking about this
08:42 magnuse i'm gonna propose having it as a theme or track or whatever at kohacon12
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08:43 magnuse kia ora BobB and Irma
08:43 cait magnuse++ for his usual awesomeness
08:45 BobB hi magneuse, hi #koha
08:45 cait hi BobB :)
08:45 BobB Excellent Kohacon so far
08:45 cait guten morgen Irma :)
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08:46 smita hello
08:46 wahanui hola, smita
08:46 magnuse hi smita
08:47 Irma cait ich wunche mir du warst auch hier
08:47 cait ich mir auch! :)
08:47 Irma cait wie geht's dir?
08:47 smita I have just finally gotten koha-common to install on my local laptop for a test instance, but I am not sure how to set up a "library" which I can access from localhost, can anyone suggest a document with examples as to how to do this?
08:47 cait gut - im Urlaub :)
08:47 Irma gut! Fur wie lange?
08:48 cait noch diese Woche
08:48 Irma cait schon :-)
08:48 Irma schoen!
08:48 cait Wie ist Indien? :)
08:48 magnuse smita: it should be explained here:[…]ueeze#Quick_Start
08:48 smita thank you magnuse
08:49 Irma cait es ist sehr interresant und wir fruenuns auf dem hackfest
08:49 smita haha yes I had this open, I was just unsure about this because it seems to need a domain ?
08:49 Irma manche personen von India werden auf der ubersetzung arbeite
08:49 Irma Hindi
08:49 magnuse smita: yes, that is how it's written, but you should be able to do without it too
08:50 Irma :-)
08:50 smita should I just use localhost? or just use a fake domain and it will be okay without actually existing?
08:50 magnuse smita: what operating system are you using?
08:50 cait Irma: cool :) hoffe wir hören/sehen ein bisschen was vom hackfest und wir haben ja gbsd am freitag :)
08:50 smita ubuntu 10.04 32bit
08:50 magnuse yay
08:50 Irma hi magnuse :-)
08:51 magnuse you could give it a domain of say "mykoha" and then map that to localhost in /etc/hosts
08:51 magnuse hi Irma
08:51 smita oh of course, thanks magnuse
08:51 Irma I will send you a photo of the banner re your KohaCon 11 sponsorphip
08:51 magnuse Irma: thanks, but druthb fixed one for me already
08:52 Irma it's 5 meters away from me and looks big and proud:)
08:52 magnuse i had to lol a little when i saw the address had been translated - "black hammar road" or something ;-)
08:52 magnuse yay
08:52 Irma yes with number 63
08:53 Irma ciao ... I will listen to the very interesting survey of Indian libraries being presented now ...
08:53 cait have fun :)
08:53 magnuse have fun Irma!
08:54 magnuse i wonder if anyone has a number for how many koha installations there are in india...
08:55 Irma .. we are talking a lot about  our absent friends so it feels you are a bit here as well ...
08:56 magnuse ooh, nice
08:56 * druthb had pictures of both magnuse and cait in her presentation
08:57 cait omg
08:57 druthb :D
08:58 * magnuse needs to see that!
08:58 magnuse ;-)
08:58 smita okay the install seems to have gone okay, the question I now have is, how would I access it via the browser? when I access my fake domain I just get to the apache root on the server, sorry if this is covered somewhere :S have been struggling a couple of days now.
08:59 druthb magnuse: in my final slide, same as in at KUDOS.  I'll be uploading slides to my blog later.
08:59 magnuse yay
08:59 magnuse smita: did you edit /etc/hosts
08:59 smita yes
09:00 magnuse hm, do you get "it works!"
09:00 smita I pointed the fake url to which is just the apache root not the koha root I guess :S
09:00 magnuse maybe the default site is masking koha?
09:01 magnuse what have you got in /etc/apache2/sistes-enabled ?
09:01 smita have not touched that file, will go have a look thanks
09:02 magnuse it's a directory, it should have a file for your koha site
09:02 smita 2 files, mylibrary and 000-default
09:02 magnuse a hah - 000-default might be the problem
09:03 magnuse try "sudo a2dissite default" to disable the default site (unless you use it for something else, of course)
09:03 magnuse or is that "sudo a2dissite 000-default"? i never remember...
09:04 magnuse then do "sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 reload" and see if that helped
09:05 smita first didnt help but did ask for reload (which I did) second gave "default site already disabled"
09:05 smita ooh sorry
09:05 smita https: works :P
09:06 smita oh no it doesnt ;)
09:06 smita that is just a real site and my hosts file isnt working I guess lol
09:07 Oak magnuse, i got the Koha installed from git cloned folder, and ran the setup, and it's all set up. on my Slackware.
09:07 Oak not Debian
09:07 magnuse Oak++
09:07 Oak :)
09:07 cait Oak++:)
09:07 magnuse smita: time to have a look in /etc/apache2/sistes-enabled/mylibrary
09:08 cait congratulations :)
09:08 cait you could start with something easy for sign-off
09:08 cait there is a patch from liz for adding a div with an id tag
09:08 smita seems to work fine from localhost url :P
09:08 Oak sure, wait
09:08 smita however it then goes "The Koha Online Catalog is offline for system maintenance. We'll be back soon! If you have any questions, please contact the Site Administrator"
09:09 magnuse smita: you need to go to localhost:8080 and do the web part of the install!
09:09 Oak there is one 3.4 installation on my Slackware. can i have a wiki link on how to upgrade old installations?
09:09 smita not sure why my hosts file change isnt taking effect :S
09:09 smita thank you magnuse , been a great help so far :)
09:09 magnuse smita: the good news is you a re almost done! ;-)
09:09 smita 8080 isnt enabled I guess, any idea on doing that properly?
09:10 magnuse hm, what do you get when you open localhost:8080 ?
09:10 smita problem loading page, so I guess apache isnt listening there, Ill google that though Im sure its covered online :)
09:11 magnuse did you add "Listen 8080" to /etc/apache2/ports.conf (i might be remebering that name wrong)?
09:12 smita that worked, but unfortunately it just says url / wasnt found on this server.
09:13 smita could be an issue with me not using the correct domain?
09:13 magnuse smita: yes, might be
09:13 smita not sure why my hosts file change didnt take effect, really weird cause this is a fresh install too.
09:14 magnuse have a look in /etc/apache2/sistes-enabled/mylibrary and see if ServerName and ServerAlias says what you thin it should say
09:16 smita yeah it does, its the hosts file issue, will reboot the pc see if that helps the dashed thing take affect, be back shortly.
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09:21 smita that seems to have worked :)
09:21 magnuse yay
09:24 smita is there a default user/pass for the backend? I edited the file it said it was in but that pass doesnt seem to work for the screen lol
09:24 cait there are 2 passwords I think, one for mysql one for the backend
09:24 cait did you edit the right one?
09:25 smita didn't edit either just c/p :S and yeah didnt use the mysql one
09:25 cait hm it should work
09:25 sekjal low battery, going to disappear for a bit
09:25 sekjal be back if I find a power outlet I can fit into
09:25 sekjal cheers
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09:28 smita should be in this block right?
09:28 smita <serverinfo id="biblioserver">
09:32 Oak cait let me know when free
09:32 eythian| smita: the bottom one in the file
09:33 cait Oak?
09:33 wahanui Oak is Arslan. I am a student doing masters in Library Science (2nd semester). I am a web developer and work in Joomla.
09:34 cait Oak: free for what, teaching you sign off? :)
09:34 Oak yes! what else?
09:34 smita eythian yeah its the only one in the file with password, except for the one in the db block.
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09:34 Oak not baking cookies :)
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09:34 eythian| You want the DB block password
09:34 magnuse smita: it should look like this:  <user>username</user>
09:34 magnuse <pass>password</pass>
09:34 cait hehe
09:34 smita LOL
09:34 smita thank you
09:34 francharb 0/ all
09:34 cait Oak: 10 minutes, ok? moving the laptop downstairs to the big table
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09:35 Oak okay. don't use it as tray this time
09:36 cait can't promise
09:36 Oak :)
09:37 smita any nz librarians here?
09:37 smita I have to choose marc21 or unimarc for this user to begin with, not sure which is most common, or, can that be changed easily later?
09:37 magnuse smita: not changed easily
09:38 magnuse where in the world are you?
09:38 smita new zealand
09:38 magnuse ah, marc21 is the way to go then
09:38 magnuse as far as i know
09:38 magnuse unimarc is mostly used in france, i think it's fair to say?
09:38 smita all the "optional" stuff with checkboxes, can this be added later?
09:40 magnuse not easily
09:40 magnuse are you just setting up an installation for testing and playing around?
09:40 magnuse if so, i would add all the optional data
09:40 smita think I should just add it all? its just for testing indeed
09:40 smita thx
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09:45 cait hmhmhm
09:45 cait Oak?
09:45 wahanui i think Oak is Arslan. I am a student doing masters in Library Science (2nd semester). I am a web developer and work in Joomla.
09:45 Oak here
09:45 cait mr arslan, i am ready to teach now :P
09:45 Oak ok ms teacher. please proceed.
09:46 cait bug 7122 is a nice one to start with
09:46 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7122 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, NEW , Adding divs to to aid OPAC css styling
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09:47 smita The reason I am actually installing this test system is that the last person to install it somehow managed to not get zebra working. Is it hard for me to add a book or so so that I can test the search? if its a bit of work I'll leave it up to the librarian to do tomorrow but would prefer to know if it works before I show up there.
09:47 Oak okay
09:47 Oak download the attachment ?
09:48 magnuse smita: depends on your definition of "hard" ;-) - let me find the relevant page in the manual
09:48 cait Oak: ah
09:48 magnuse smita: http://manual.koha-community.o[…]ng.html#addbibrec
09:48 cait we should get you git bz
09:48 smita thanks magnuse
09:48 cait or we can do it the manual way first
09:48 cait and get you to git bz in the next steap
09:49 cait so yes, downloading the attachment with wget or manually is the first step
09:49 eythian| smita: where in nz?
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09:49 Oak okay, manual first.
09:50 paul_p cait & oak: another option to learn how to signoff is to join us at the hackfest, on friday, in Mumbaï, india. Well, it may be a little bit expensive...
09:50 paul_p magnuse, unimarc is also used in a lot of very large countries: monaco for example :D But for NZ, as they've won the RWC, yes, smita, you have to use marc21 (and let us -frenchies- with UNIMARC)
09:50 paul_p (who said there is no link between RWC & UNIMARC ?)
09:50 smita tauranga, but it will be used in fiji just being set up here on a laptop to take there to show to some councils
09:51 magnuse koha in fiji - yay!
09:51 smita yeah, just one test in a single library for now, but meeting with 5 councils and I believe will quickly get it into their libraries also.
09:51 magnuse way cool!
09:52 eythian| smita: ah, I think I may have been talking to someone about that a little while ago.
09:53 smita now, will try follow this manual and add a book :) brb
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09:55 magnuse smita: here are some videos too:[…]-koha-3-2-4034682 and[…]-koha-3-2-4037833
09:59 smita Ive created an item, imported a marc record and then just clicked add item, should I have to do more for it to show up in the frontend search?
10:00 magnuse smita: nope, that sounds good - it might take a minute or two before it's inedxed, though
10:00 magnuse have a look at /cgi-bin/koha/ to see what it looks like
10:00 smita ahh ok, I will go make a cup of tea and see if it has come through. Should there be some way for me to see if the zebra indexing service is actually tunning?
10:01 smita looks good on that page
10:02 magnuse smita: "ps aux | grep zebra" or something like that
10:04 smita it must be indexed now because it works! thank you so much magnuse for putting up with all my questions :) everyone else too for holding your laughter in ;) I will try this again tomorrow if I can find a spare machine to do it with and write step for step what I did so that someone else can follow it in the future if needs be :)
10:06 magnuse smita++
10:07 cait smita++
10:08 magnuse smita: if you see ways to improve the INSTALL.* files that come with the koha download, or the wiki, that's always welcome
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10:15 smita now to run off to bed :) nn and thanks again
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10:35 druthb o/
10:35 cait wb druthb
10:35 druthb thanx!
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11:13 cait Oak++
11:14 cait bye all
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11:15 Oak cait++
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12:18 oleonard Hi #koha
12:18 sekjal good morning, oleonard
12:21 jwagner good morning/evening all
12:21 jwagner How is the conference going?
12:21 sekjal jwagner:  very well
12:21 jwagner Hope to be there next year
12:21 sekjal second day is complete; we're getting ready for a cultural program and dinner with our hosts
12:22 sekjal lots of good presentations on how Koha works in India (as well as what they need to make it work better)
12:22 sekjal also got some previews of new developments that are in progress or soon to be funded
12:22 sekjal very exciting stuff
12:22 sekjal the Koha community really is the best around!
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12:26 jwagner Well, at least I'm wearing one of my NZ sweaters :-)
12:28 oleonard sekjal: I hope you'll get a feel for what we can do to get Indian developers more involved with the community
12:29 sekjal oleonard:  hopefully many will show up to the hackfest, and we'll do an introductory developer training
12:29 sekjal I've had several areas of need identified to me, and I've got some leads on how to fix the problems
12:30 sekjal we're also pushing translation very hard; Hindi is only 31%, and it's the only one of the 15 languages here with a file
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12:30 bg evening
12:31 jwagner Hi bg
12:31 bg hi jwagner
12:34 sekjal jwagner:  I brought my "Kiwi Jersey", the sweater I got when the airline lost my carry-on.  Haven't had much need of it beyond the airplane, though
12:34 sekjal very hot here
12:34 sekjal well, not *right here*; in air conditioning at the moment
12:34 sekjal but outside is toasty
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12:36 * jcamins_away catches up on the Twitter stream from KohaCon.
12:36 jcamins_away is now known as jcamins
12:36 sekjal morning, jcamins
12:37 jcamins Good morning.
12:37 * jwagner is puzzled how an airline can lose a carryon.  Checked bags, yes, I've had that happen...
12:37 sekjal jwagner: I know, right?!  makes a great story
12:37 jcamins sekjal: if you want to share a large mass of records, better to use Z39.50 and Zebra than git, I think.
12:37 jwagner What's the URL for the twitter feed?
12:38 jcamins jwagner: I just went to Twitter.
12:38 sekjal jcamins:  right, wouldn't want Git to feed the records, just track the changes to them by multiple users
12:38 sekjal jwagner:  #kohacon11 is the hashtag
12:38 jwagner It won't let me search unless I have a Twitter account, and I resolutely refuse....
12:38 jwagner Used to be, though, if I had a URL I could go there
12:39 jcamins jwagner:!/search?q=%23kohacon11
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12:39 jwagner That got it, thanks
12:40 sekjal okay, just about time for the cultural program.  Going to go.  not sure I'll be back on later tonight; need rest
12:40 jcamins Enjoy.
12:40 sekjal have a good day, all!
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12:58 jcamins Good morning, talljoy.
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12:58 talljoy good morning jcamins.
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13:19 gmcharlt @quote random
13:19 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #55: "<jdavidb> Harrrrumph!" (added by gmcharlt at 12:38 PM, February 11, 2010)
13:19 oleonard Hi gmcharlt, what are you up to?
13:20 gmcharlt oleonard: hi owen - I'm breaking in a new Equinox employee
13:20 gmcharlt he should be showing up in channel later today
13:21 oleonard Got your cat-o-nine-tails freshly conditioned?
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13:32 * jcamins tosses trea the duct tape.
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13:33 tcohen hi
13:34 tcohen which (perl) library can I use for unescaping HTML?
13:34 jcamins tcohen: I suspect T::T includes a filter for that.
13:34 libsysguy or URI::Escape?
13:35 libsysguy if its in the url...
13:35 libsysguy dunno what you are escaping
13:35 tcohen jcamins, I know thanks, I'm doing some ETL for a library
13:35 tcohen data source is a crapy students database...
13:36 tcohen in which I found double escaped html strings
13:37 tcohen HTML::Entities perhaps?
13:38 jcamins Yeah, HTML::Entities looks like a good possibility.
13:38 jcamins Or XML::Entities, perhaps.
13:38 tcohen thanks jcamins
13:39 libsysguy jcamins ftw
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13:43 jcamins tcohen: you're welcome.
13:46 jcamins Does anyone else have the file C4/Auth_cas_servers.yaml.orig?
13:46 jcamins I have no idea where it came from.
13:47 magnus_afk is now known as magnuse
13:47 magnuse checking now...
13:48 jcamins Thanks.
13:48 magnuse yup, got it
13:48 jcamins Hm. Thanks.
13:49 jcamins I wonder how it got deleted.
13:49 magnuse[…]de6616137;hb=HEAD
13:49 jwagner It's not in my current head server, which hasn't been updated in a week or two
13:50 jcamins Looks like it was added 10/12.
13:50 jcamins Maybe.
13:50 magnuse 2011-08-10 as far as i can tell from the link i pasted above
13:51 jcamins Yeah, but then it was removed?
13:51 magnuse no it's still here:[…]7c7ffe8a7;hb=HEAD
13:51 jcamins Yeah, it was re-added 10/12.
13:51 magnuse and i just did a git pull before i checked on my clone
13:51 jcamins Right.
13:52 magnuse 2011-10-12
13:52 wahanui 1989
13:52 magnuse Chris CormackBug 5630 CAS improvements
13:52 magnuse blob | commitdiff
13:52 magnuse 2011-09-02
13:52 magnuse Chris CormackRevert "Bug 5630 CAS improvements"
13:52 magnuse blob | commitdiff
13:52 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5630 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , CAS improvements
13:52 magnuse 2011-08-10
13:52 magnuse Chris CormackBug 5630 CAS improvements  new/enh/bug_5630
13:52 magnuse blob | commitdiff
13:52 magnuse looks like bug 5630 was commited, reverted and then commited again
13:52 jcamins Right.
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13:55 talljoy morning all.  I am looking for a way to add a marc field to the indexes.  (583$z )  How can I do this?  Do I add <melm 583$z  desc> to /zebradb/marc_defs/biblios/record.abs and then reindex?  Or do I need to add it somewhere else also?
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13:57 magnuse talljoy: that should pretty much do it, i think
13:58 jcamins talljoy: one moment.
13:58 jwagner talljoy, if you're adding a field to an existing index, that will do it. If you're creating a brand new index, there are some additional places to add it.
13:58 cait hi #koha
13:58 talljoy just adding it to an existing index.
13:58 magnuse you might want to add the name of the index (desc) to some dropdown on the search screens though, sp users can choose it for their search
13:59 magnuse guten tag cait
13:59 NCARLibrary hey gang. has galen popped in yet?
13:59 gmcharlt NCARLibrary: I'm here
13:59 NCARLibrary oh hey galen!
14:00 NCARLibrary i wanted to hit you with what seems like an odd glitch...
14:00 NCARLibrary running circ stats w/wizard
14:00 NCARLibrary results show only totals.  nothing in body of table.
14:00 gmcharlt what are you using for the row and column?
14:01 NCARLibrary (standby)
14:01 oleonard What version are you on NCARLibrary ?
14:04 NCARLibrary just updated to 3.2.6
14:04 NCARLibrary (though, when i click on About Koha, it says 3.04.04...)
14:05 oleonard NCARLibrary: The problem you're having sounds like one that existed in early versions of 3.4
14:05 NCARLibrary anyways, i'm selecting Patron category for Row and Shelving Location for column.
14:05 gmcharlt NCARLibrary: yep, 3.4.4 is what you're running
14:05 NCARLibrary oh
14:05 NCARLibrary duh. (excuse: just back from 3 wks vacation...brain is shutdown)
14:07 oleonard Bug 6640
14:07 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6640 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Template errors in defining default variable values causes information not to be displayed
14:07 NCARLibrary so i need a patch applied?
14:08 oleonard Or an upgrade
14:08 NCARLibrary ok
14:08 oleonard That's my guess anyway
14:12 NCARLibrary what say dungeonmaster galen? patch or upgrade?
14:15 magnuse i'm not galen but i'd say upgrade - that will fix other problems too
14:15 wizzyrea upgrade
14:16 jcamins upgrade++
14:16 NCARLibrary from 3.4.4 to what?
14:16 gmcharlt NCARLibrary: who am I to fight consensus? ;)
14:16 NCARLibrary haha
14:17 magnuse 3.4.5 is latest stable
14:17 NCARLibrary i guess there's democracy in the dungeon
14:17 magnuse look at all the coolness it's got:
14:17 NCARLibrary (investigating coolness)
14:18 oleonard Besides, gmcharlt turned in his dungeonmaster credentials a while ago (not that his advice is any less valuable)
14:18 magnuse of course 3.6.0 is the latest and greatest, but i suspsect not a lot of libraries are using that in production yet
14:18 gmcharlt oleonard: well, I'm not the general dungeonmaster, but I am NCARLibrary's *specific* dungeonmaster ;)
14:19 oleonard I see
14:19 gmcharlt magnuse: hence why 3.6.1 looks attractive
14:19 magnuse yup
14:19 magnuse 3.6.0 is the epitome of cool, though:
14:19 oleonard I've heard about those places where you can hire a personal dungeon master
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14:20 * magnuse is planning on doing a test migration from 3.4.5 to 3.6.0 for his customers real soon, though
14:21 NCARLibrary yes, i had a feeling he was only master of NCAR's (Koha) dungeon. though this detracts nothing from his perceived power.
14:23 NCARLibrary well, i'm ready for 3.4.5 then. even though i've had mere weeks to enjoy 3.4.4
14:24 magnuse sometimes you gotta kill your darlings...
14:24 wizzyrea hehe
14:24 wizzyrea yea is better to not get attached to a specific koha version >.>
14:24 wizzyrea because it's always getting better ^.^
14:24 magnuse yay!
14:26 NCARLibrary 3.6.0: 356 bug fixes? egad!
14:27 wizzyrea heh
14:27 oleonard Of course a lot of those bug fixes were introduced in 3.4 ;)
14:27 wizzyrea bugs*
14:27 oleonard Thanks
14:27 wizzyrea yw
14:27 * wizzyrea speaks typo
14:28 NCARLibrary bugs fixes is more correct than bug fixes?
14:28 wizzyrea a lot of those bugs were introduced in 3.4
14:28 NCARLibrary oh
14:29 NCARLibrary ok
14:30 NCARLibrary is there no 3.5?
14:30 wizzyrea 3.5 is the development version for 3.6
14:30 wizzyrea so no
14:30 NCARLibrary oh, odd numbers.
14:30 NCARLibrary right
14:31 wizzyrea 3.7 is the development version for 3.8
14:31 wizzyrea etc. :)
14:31 NCARLibrary boy, if i just hung out in here all day and asked dorky questions, i might get smart.
14:31 wizzyrea ^^ is what I did
14:31 oleonard 3.4 was quite the omelette.
14:31 wizzyrea we had to break a lot of eggs?
14:32 oleonard Indeed.
14:32 * wizzyrea loves the word omelette
14:32 wizzyrea it's like a word with a properly raised pinky finger.
14:33 * tcohen is thinking of hot cheese right now
14:33 * oleonard finds that Mozilla doesn't think omelette is a word
14:33 NCARLibrary so i could, in theory, jump directly to 3.6, but it could prove foolhardy?
14:33 ebegin oleonard, it would if your language was french :)
14:34 oleonard There hasn't been much time to catch bugs in 3.6 NCARLibrary
14:34 wizzyrea yea, I'd wait for the first revision
14:34 oleonard Especially with KohaCon underway
14:34 oleonard ebegin: Mozilla likes "omelet" instead, which looks wrong to me.
14:34 NCARLibrary ooh, 3.4.5 has "improved breadcrumbs"! nice.
14:35 ebegin is omelet a word in english ?
14:35 wizzyrea apparently
14:35 magnuse 3.4.5 - an omelette with improved breadcrumbs...
14:36 ebegin from wikipedia : "In cuisine, an omelette or omelet is a dish..."
14:36 oleonard Is there a word for which omelette is the diminutive form?
14:38 NCARLibrary Om
14:39 * wizzyrea giggles
14:39 NCARLibrary Grammarist says: For the dish consisting of beaten eggs cooked until set and folded over, Australian, British, and Canadian writers prefer the French spelling, omelette. American writers prefer omelet by a wide margin, and U.S. dictionaries and usage guides concur.
14:39 ebegin The spelling �omelette� evolved in old French from une amelette: a wide, flat frying pan. After a good spin on the orthographical Ferris wheel of Middle French, after many spelling alterations, ultimately amelette does derive from Latin lamella meaning �thin layer,� �thin blade� or �slender leaf,� referring to the thin blade of iron from which a blacksmith would have hammered out at the forge the earliest frying pan.
14:39 magnuse "From French omelette, from alemette, from alemelle (�knife blade�), probably derived from la lemelle, from Latin lamella (�thin plate�)."
14:40 * wizzyrea feels educated now
14:40 * magnuse feels hungry
14:40 ebegin :)
14:43 * magnuse is having left over home made lamb karhai and will be thinking of all the cool people in thane eating the real thing...
14:43 wizzyrea nom nom nom
14:44 trea that sounds good
14:48 oleonard doesn't seem to be catching items on hold anymore
14:49 wizzyrea !
14:49 wizzyrea uh oh
14:49 oleonard I can transfer an item which has a hold and I get no message
14:50 wizzyrea hmm
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14:51 wizzyrea you mean that it used to say "this item is on hold at x for y" or somesuch?
14:52 wizzyrea I admit we barely ever use transfers unless it's an item that's gotten stuck at a branch wrongfully
14:52 wizzyrea we use the reserves transiting all the time
14:53 oleonard As far as I can recall it did
14:53 oleonard we don't use transfers either
14:54 * oleonard was looking at bug 7123
14:54 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7123 minor, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW , barcode should be one word
14:54 wizzyrea aha
14:57 oleonard well I guess if it ever showed a warning it was a long time ago. I rolled back to just before the T:T transition and no message
14:57 * oleonard sees stuff in the template for it
14:58 oleonard is now known as oleonard-away
15:01 * magnuse wonders of oleonard saw something else in the template that made him run for cover
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15:03 Oak kia ora #koha
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15:05 magnuse Oak
15:05 Oak magnuse
15:05 Oak :-)
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15:39 wizzyrea did hankbank's facebook stuff ever make it into koha?
15:39 wizzyrea rangi or sekjal would know
15:40 magnuse what stuff was that?
15:40 wizzyrea the "send this to facebook"
15:40 wizzyrea links
15:40 magnuse for the opac?
15:40 wizzyrea yea
15:40 magnuse or my summary?
15:40 wizzyrea no, for the opac
15:42 magnuse can't remember anything, but then i can't claim i managed to keep track of everything that went into 3.6.0...
15:42 wizzyrea[…]blionumber=149793
15:42 wizzyrea see the links on the right
15:42 wizzyrea twitter and facebook
15:43 magnuse ah, i think sekjal made a patch for a syspref for putting stuff there?
15:43 magnuse s/stuff/html/
15:43 wizzyrea I remember him working on ti at kudoscon
15:44 jcamins That's magnuse's code.
15:44 jcamins I'm pretty sure it made it in.
15:44 wizzyrea magnus! that's your stuff!
15:44 * wizzyrea giggles
15:44 magnuse no, my code was for "My summary"
15:44 magnuse maybe bug 6165
15:44 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6165 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, NEW , OPACResultsSidebar system preference
15:45 jcamins magnuse: really? I'm pretty sure sekjal gave you credit for it.
15:46 magnuse he shouldn't have... or maybe he built on my code for making biblionumber etc available as placeholders?
15:46 jcamins That's it!
15:46 jcamins That's what he did.
15:46 magnuse ah, that makes sense
15:46 jcamins wizzyrea: instructions for adding Facebook-y buttons are in the manual.
15:46 * wizzyrea incites nengard
15:47 wizzyrea well who would look there :P
15:47 * wizzyrea teases
15:47 * wizzyrea ducks
15:47 * wizzyrea runs away giggling
15:47 jcamins wizzyrea: but do note that the button being used by Farmington has serious privacy implications.
15:47 jcamins wizzyrea: I'm not sure if the button being used by Los Gatos has the same issue.
15:47 wizzyrea such as?
15:48 jcamins The button Farmington is using reports every page view to the Facebook platform.
15:48 jcamins And links it to your Facebook account.
15:48 wizzyrea O.o
15:48 jcamins See...
15:48 wizzyrea I don't think losgatos is doing that
15:49 jcamins[…]r-web-sites-like/
15:49 magnuse the los gatos one has an iframe with a lot of stuff going on...
15:49 magnuse the link described here should be pretty safe, i hope:[…]OPACMySummaryHTML
15:50 jcamins magnuse: yeah, I'm pretty sure that one's okay.
15:50 magnuse but then again, it's not a "like"
15:50 * jcamins is no expert, though.
15:50 wizzyrea yea, that's what losgatos is using
15:54 wizzyrea
15:54 jcamins wizzyrea: I made individually wrapped fudge the other day.
15:54 wizzyrea oh my
15:54 jcamins wizzyrea: truly an inspired idea, and you could probably get a little one involved in the wrapping.
15:54 wizzyrea :D
15:55 wizzyrea he helped me make gingersnaps a few days ago
15:55 wizzyrea his job was to roll them and dip them in sugar
15:55 jcamins :)
15:55 wizzyrea oh sorry, context for the screengrab
15:55 wizzyrea that's what nexpress will look like soon
15:55 jcamins Yeah, context would be good.
15:56 jcamins Pretty nifty.
15:56 jcamins There was something else I was going to suggest you make with him.
15:57 * jcamins will try to remember what.
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16:22 oleonard Bug 7126
16:22 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7126 major, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , Transfer does not prompt with hold information
16:23 oleonard Must be an old bug. I rolled git back a long way looking for a time when it worked.
16:24 * oleonard must have missed the part when everyone went off to lunch together
16:25 * jcamins is still here, but working on a brief autobiographical statement for a lecture invitation.
16:26 oleonard Be sure to throw in some wildly made-up stuff.
16:26 oleonard "Invented the Snuggie®"
16:27 jcamins Like when I won the Gregory Hines medal for tap dancing?
16:27 oleonard No made-up enough!
16:28 jcamins I wrote a paper in which I claimed that (and several other similar things), and one of my classmates thought it was all true!
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16:36 cait hi #koha
16:37 oleonard Hi cait
16:38 magnuse is now known as magnus_afk
16:43 trea speaking of gregory hines
16:45 cait hi oleonard and trea
16:45 trea hi cait!
16:47 wizzyrea trea is the master of esoteric youtube finds
16:48 jcamins Hi cait! How did your talk go?
16:48 * wizzyrea also wants to know
16:48 cait oh
16:48 cait It was ok I think :)
16:48 cait and they asked a few questions :)
16:50 jcamins cait++ # lots of talking about Koha
16:50 cait hehe thx
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17:02 oleonard I try to talk lots about Koha but my kids just tune me out.
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17:17 cait oleonard: my family is the same )
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18:03 jcamins wahanui: jcamins?
18:03 wahanui i heard jcamins was supposed to be an outstanding cook. or well-traveled and brilliant. or trying to think of a solution, but short of a set of three sysprefs (ShelfBrowserUsesLocation, ShelfBrowserUsesCcode, and ShelfBrowserUsesHomeBranch), I don't really have any ideas. or awesome fixing broken email notifications or the wizard that forges queries in the deep fires of zebra
18:04 * jcamins guesses he's still connected, since wahanui heard his existential query.
18:08 oleonard Not only do you exist, but you are quite complex.
18:11 jcamins Heh.
18:12 Oak cait!
18:12 Oak how was sushi?
18:12 cait hi Oak :)
18:12 cait sushi was yummy
18:12 Oak and lucy?
18:12 Oak never mind
18:12 Oak not funny
18:12 Oak okay good to hear :)
18:16 * jcamins sallies forth into the world, righting all wrong...
18:16 jcamins Wait, no...
18:16 Oak cait, i was remembering this bye the way:[…]/quotes?qt0413309
18:16 Oak by*
18:16 * jcamins sallies forth into the world to pick up his new eyeglasses.
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18:16 magnus_afk is now known as magnuse
18:17 cait hehe
18:17 Oak :)
18:20 trea-lunch is now known as trea
18:20 Oak me go now. to sleep.
18:21 Oak good night.
18:21 cait good night Oak :)
18:21 magnuse g'night Oak
18:21 Oak good night magnuse, good night teacher! :)
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18:22 magnuse Oak++ for signing off!
18:22 magnuse (not signing off from irc but on bug 7122, of course)
18:22 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7122 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, NEW , Adding divs to to aid OPAC css styling
18:23 wizzyrea oh yay and someone signed off on that one ^.^ thanks :)
18:23 magnuse Oak did
18:23 wizzyrea oak++
18:23 libsysguy anybody know how to throw up the maintenance page from the system is crawling and i can't run a query to see
18:24 libsysguy i turned on incrementals...apparently somebody has been zebra is doing its thing
18:24 rangi morning
18:24 wizzyrea mornin
18:24 magnuse g'day rangi
18:25 libsysguy finally came though
18:25 rangi @wunder wellington nz
18:25 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 16.0�C (7:00 AM NZDT on November 02, 2011). Conditions: Rain Showers. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.39 in 995 hPa (Steady).
18:25 magnuse @wunder boo
18:26 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo Vi, Norway is 11.0�C (7:00 PM CET on November 01, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.52 in 1000 hPa (Falling).
18:26 magnuse not bad at all for november
18:34 jcamins_away libsysguy: OpacMaintenance = yes?
18:38 talljoy brrrr.  winter--
18:39 talljoy @wunder 76109
18:39 huginn talljoy: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Benbrook TX US, Fort Worth, Texas is 24.4�C (1:13 PM CDT on November 01, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 36%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1017.8 hPa.
18:39 talljoy pretty day today.  sunny, warmish.  one of the few good things in Texas
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18:47 magnuse 24.4 is merely warmish?
18:52 talljoy to me it is.  brrr.
18:53 talljoy i like it hot.  real hot.  desert hot.
19:01 oleonard I guess you're in the right place talljoy
19:01 oleonard ...usually.
19:02 talljoy it will get chilly, but mostly warm.  Ironic since I'm roughly 1/2 Swedish.  :-/
19:05 magnuse or maybe that's exactly why? ;-)
19:06 talljoy it's been bred out of my genetics.  ha!
19:06 talljoy all i have left is the height.
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19:12 rangi heh
19:13 * rangi is glad today is the last day on the stand
19:13 rangi im talked out
19:13 ibeardslee that and a late night?
19:18 rangi that too
19:18 * magnuse wishes #koha a good night!
19:18 magnuse is now known as magnus_away
19:19 talljoy gnight!
19:19 wizzyrea gnite magnuse
19:19 wizzyrea oleonard, about
19:19 wizzyrea ?
19:19 wizzyrea I have a opac styling conundrum
19:19 jcamins_away talljoy: 24 degrees Celcius is cold for you?!?
19:19 wizzyrea an* opac
19:19 * oleonard holds perfectly still
19:20 wizzyrea what... where'd he go?
19:21 jcamins_away is now known as jcamins
19:21 oleonard Oh, go ahead.
19:21 talljoy jcamins.  i'm *always* cold.
19:21 talljoy in fact today, i had to break out a sweater
19:21 wizzyrea I can't figure out what the deal is with the yui-g and yui-ge on opac-main
19:21 wizzyrea it has to do with being logged in or out
19:22 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7128] logged in and logged out states of are hard to style <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7128>
19:22 wizzyrea actually ignore that
19:22 wizzyrea that needs signoff
19:23 oleonard When you have <div class="yui-ge"> it means that <div class="yui-u first"></div> and <div class="yui-u"></div> will form 75%/25% columns
19:24 wizzyrea Ah, to accommodate the login screen
19:24 wizzyrea when logged out
19:24 oleonard When you have <div class="yui-g"> it means that <div class="yui-u first"></div> and <div class="yui-u"></div> will form 50%/50% columns
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19:25 oleonard But there are lots of places in the templates where <div class="yui-g"></div> is used as a generic container without a <div class="yui-u"> inside
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19:25 wizzyrea ah I think that's what I'm coming up against possibly
19:26 oleonard That scheme was supposed to be a lot more flexible with regard to the opac main page than it has turned out to be.
19:27 wizzyrea hm
19:27 * chris_n has seen it all now
19:27 chris_n drilling a square hole:[…]0eo&vq=small#t=11
19:28 * wizzyrea bites
19:28 rangi ok people all arriving, bbl
19:28 wizzyrea gl :)
19:29 wizzyrea chris_n: that is wow...
19:29 * chris_n looks around for his bag of square pegs ;-)
19:30 wizzyrea well I made it live:
19:32 oleonard Congratulations wizzyrea
19:32 wizzyrea ty, I don't think there are too many rough edges on it. I'm not utterly happy with the home page but... will figure something out
19:40 talljoy i need me that drill bit.
19:43 talljoy wizzyrea++ your library system rocks.
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19:48 wizzyrea lol I just spent 10 minutes finding batteries for my wireless mouse
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21:40 phlunk3 hi guys, when I make a new installation of koha I know it sets a couple of url's for you to use, one for the backend and one for the opac, can someone tell me where these are listed? just trying to help someone with a fresh install over the phone.
21:55 rangi the apache config
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22:03 phlunk3 thanks rangi btw :)
22:08 * cait waves
22:09 * jcamins waves, too.
22:09 jcamins What should I have for dinner?
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22:21 cait hmmmm
22:21 cait gnocchi?
22:21 jcamins Hmm.
22:21 jcamins I don't think so.
22:22 rhcl hamburgers
22:23 rhcl ketchup and mustard
22:23 rhcl pickles
22:23 rhcl onion
22:23 jcamins I've mostly stopped eating red meat, actually, so probably not hamburger.
22:23 rhcl potato salad, baked beans
22:23 rhcl coleslaw
22:24 * jcamins thinks he knows what rhcl will be having for dinner. :)
22:24 rhcl chili
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22:28 cait jcamins: sandwiches?
22:31 jcamins cait: yeah, probably.
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