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* Oak |
waves |
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cait |
hi #koha |
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Oak |
hello cait |
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cait |
hi Oak :) |
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Oak |
:) |
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rangi |
go tonga!! |
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cait |
go tonga!! |
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Oak |
who is tonga? |
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cait |
in this case a rugby team |
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Oak |
ah |
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cait |
but also a country |
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rangi |
wow |
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rangi |
that is amazing |
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slef |
the rugby's going well again... |
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rangi |
i think after the tonga - france game, any game that doesnt have front row forwards screaming tonga as they take the hit is gonna be pretty boring |
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rangi |
the last 5 mins of that game was a sight to see |
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slef |
heh bit early for me... prob highlights this evening |
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rangi |
:) |
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slef |
bloody heck this is getting intricate |
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slef |
what no swallow dive? ;) |
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rangi |
heh |
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slef |
love the commentary on our tv of course |
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slef |
stv and itv use the same commentary... so they're being very level |
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rangi |
ahhh |
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rangi |
maori tv is very biased |
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slef |
s4c (sianel pedwar cymru) is a bit too, so I'm told |
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slef |
but itv1 serves wales and southern scotland too |
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slef |
so it only goes nuts when one home nation is alone |
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rangi |
makes sense |
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slef |
I'm pretty sure the bbc use two commentary teams when they're showing such a match. |
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slef |
but itv is commercial public service rather than tax-funded, so it's all about the cost I guess |
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jcamins_away |
slef: around? |
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druthb |
o/ |
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cait |
hi druthb :) |
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druthb |
:) |
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jcamins_away |
\o |
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cait |
hi jcamins_away :) |
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jcamins |
Hi cait and druthb. |
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druthb |
hi, jcamins! :D |
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jcamins |
How many records could fit in a 20GB database? |
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cait |
no idea |
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cait |
a lot? |
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wahanui |
rumour has it a lot is possible already without having to rewrite the templates |
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jcamins |
Yeah, that was my analysis. |
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rhcl_lita |
morning jcamins and afternoon (?) cait |
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druthb |
hi, rhcl_lita |
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rhcl_lita |
druthb! |
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druthb |
jcamins; we've had libraries with nearly a half-million bibs whose mysqldump was less than 10GB. So I would think lots and lots. |
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cait |
afternoon is right :) 16:14 |
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cait |
hi rhcl_lita |
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rhcl_lita |
lita talks tweeted on tag #litaforum |
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jcamins |
druthb: that's what I thought, thanks. |
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rhcl_lita |
<quote>: "The library catalog isn't something that should be exposed to the public. Stop trying to make the catalog better" </quote> |
| 14:53 |
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rhcl_lita |
<quote>: "Library catalog needs to become back room database. It is not the face we want to show our users. Move beyond it." </quote> |
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druthb |
sure wish I could have been at LITA this year. Would love to kick some ideas around the table with some of the people who are really smart. |
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* druthb |
isn't. |
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jcamins |
rhcl_lita: the problem with that idea is that "discovery layers" are not an improvement over the catalog. |
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rhcl_lita |
Would be glad to discuss the general topic of info exchange here with u later, but I think much of what I've heard has been overly generalized. |
| 14:59 |
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jcamins |
rhcl_lita: I'm just commenting. As I don't work with discovery layers, I'm hardly an expert. |
| 14:59 |
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rhcl_lita |
There is a general sense that paper books will be "essentially" gone < year 2020, but I don't get the impression that libraries are doing much to prepare for that |
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liw |
when I was a teenager, I loved going to the card catalogs in my local library and look things up, either on purpose, or by random... |
| 14:59 |
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druthb |
The problem with most catalogs--and indeed, most "discovery layers" atop them--is that they continue to persist in preserving the MARC. But a *lot* of that is stuff that few or no borrowers care about. |
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druthb |
But we're afraid to cut the MARC apart to slice and dice it in ways the patron might be interested in...and if we can get past that, that's where things start getting more-useful. |
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druthb |
(all IMO) |
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* jcamins |
agrees. |
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rhcl_lita |
one of the points of the current speaker is that real world people think in tags, and that is, in fact, what they choose to use in their world |
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druthb |
all of that, but we *do* need to preserve the MARC--at least until something better supplants it--for the purposes that it originally was developed--description and inventory control, data exchange, etc. |
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rhcl_lita |
and that a "cloud tag" might be more useful than an OPAC in it's current form |
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rhcl_lita |
and yes, marc (or RDA or whatever) still lives, but happily in the server room for the tech services people |
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* druthb |
's opinion, and a dollar, will buy you a small cup of coffee at participating McDonald's locations....it isn't worth much. |
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jcamins |
liw: since you're here, I have a question about the Koha packages, if you have a moment. If I were to install the packages and set it up with the database running on localhost, could I later move the DB off localhost by changing the koha-confs? |
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liw |
jcamins, sure |
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jcamins |
liw: awesome! That's what I thought. |
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* Oak |
waves |
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cait |
hi Oak :) |
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Oak |
hi cait :) |
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slef |
druthb: bad coffee too |
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druthb |
exactly, slef. :) |
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druthb |
Hi, Oak! :) |
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slef |
jcamins: sort of |
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Oak |
Hello druthb :) |
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druthb |
Back in a few. |
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rhcl_lita |
http://www.alicebot.org/aiml.html |
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rhcl_lita |
http://www.mentorpl.org/catbot.html |
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druthb |
I've played with the Alice bot before. AIML is a bit tedious, but you can get some useful bits in there. |
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rhcl_lita |
Might be an intriguing interface for many; some would find it tedious, but it's interesting and worth investigating perhaps |
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druthb |
I initially seeded it with a staff directory for a small consoritum, and some tidbits about each library. The library staff all had fun talking to her, to try to figure out what Easter eggs I had put in the information. |
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rhcl_lita |
I always did like Ask Jeeves. Regret his demise. |
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druthb |
what if you used an AIML-bot as a front end "discovery layer"? Would take some fairly creative hackery, and it would need a tool for going out to the biblio database and finding things out, but that could be interesting. "Where do I find books on auto repair?" "I have forty books on auto repair; all of them are <location code>, at call number <call number>." |
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druthb |
then, you could work out ways to answer their question, not just give a list of items. "Where do I find" != "What do you have" |
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druthb |
It wouldn't replace a reference desk person any time soon, but you could get a good bit of mileage out of that, I should think. |
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druthb |
(and, of course, the commonest single question in any library I've ever worked at: "Where is the restroom?" ) |
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rhcl_lita |
sounds good. will you have it ready for 3.6? |
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druthb |
We're already past feature freeze, sorry. :P |
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druthb |
In Koha's case, all you'd need, to let it go get data, is a plugin to let the AIML-bot search Zebra, and C4::Items::GetItemsomethingorother. |
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huginn |
New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6953] Value builder for NORMARC 007 does not show further options <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6953> |
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* slef |
starts the koha-patches/bugs reconciler |
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slef |
rhcl_lita: I think Jeeves was part of the reason "artificially intelligent" is a synonym for "very stupid" |
| 15:57 |
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jcamins |
slef: do I remember you mentioning something about running Zebra on a different server than the Apache server? |
| 15:58 |
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slef |
jcamins: maybe |
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jcamins |
slef: do you find that it is worthwhile, in terms of performance? |
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druthb |
I've done it, as well. |
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slef |
I've definitely done that somewhere. Not straightforward but possible. Not fiddled with it recently I think. The need to do it has been reduced by ever-faster hardware. |
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slef |
getting mysqld to its own CPU is more worthwhile I think |
| 15:59 |
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druthb |
Given a choice, moving the MySQL gives a larger performance boost. |
| 15:59 |
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slef |
snap! |
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druthb |
:) |
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jcamins |
Yeah, that's already part of the plan. |
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slef |
I don't have any recent numbers though |
| 15:59 |
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druthb |
Tried it both ways on a problem child once, for comparison. |
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jcamins |
Step 1 is "make sure Koha works with MySQL on localhost." Step 2 is "move MySQL off localhost." |
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druthb |
This particular site (a big big K12) had huge numbers of returns first thing in the morning, followed about an hour later by a ton of OPAC activity. Moving the MySQL made both choke points quite smooth. |
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rhcl_lita |
slef: oh, yes, probably. But it was an early start. They're talking about a cat chatterbot here, but in the real world in the near future.... |
| 16:13 |
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rhcl_lita |
I think we're going to have to get "smart" fuzzy language android/gynoid interface bots. |
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rhcl_lita |
gotta move |
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rhcl_lita |
lyrasis speaker using Koha and Evergreen for all his ILS examples :) |
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jcamins |
Hi, pianohacker. |
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pianohacker |
hi, jcamins |
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jcamins |
Back in classes? |
| 18:56 |
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cait |
hi pianohacker |
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rangi |
hi pianohacker |
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pianohacker |
Yup, back in classes. Life's been crazy, but good |
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jcamins |
What are you taking? |
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pianohacker |
Geology, Multivariable calculus, physics and data structures (compsci class) |
| 18:59 |
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pianohacker |
all hard, but interesting |
| 19:00 |
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pianohacker |
How's your academic life going? |
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jcamins |
Yikes! Sounds very busy. |
| 19:01 |
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pianohacker |
Always is. |
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jcamins |
I'm just taking one class right now, which is a relief. |
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pianohacker |
That does sound nice. What's the class? |
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jcamins |
A Cultural History of Russia. |
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jcamins |
October 24 I'll be starting an intensive course on growing my business, which should be pretty interesting, too. |
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pianohacker |
History class sounds cool, business even more so |
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jcamins |
Yeah, I'm pretty exciting. |
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jcamins |
Actually, I applied for what was essentially the "level 1" business class, and I got a call from the course administrator saying "you should be in level 2." |
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jcamins |
s/exciting/excited/ |
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pianohacker |
That's always nice, when other people have a higher opinion of our skills than we do |
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jcamins |
Yeah. Apparently when they said "new to business," they meant "haven't turned a profit, or, indeed, even started offering services," not "had a sideline business for a while." |
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jcamins |
Is anyone else getting intermittent lag, and lots of it from OFTC? |
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druthb |
o/ |
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