Time  Nick         Message
21:37 druthb       o/
19:18 jcamins      Is anyone else getting intermittent lag, and lots of it from OFTC?
19:15 jcamins      Yeah. Apparently when they said "new to business," they meant "haven't turned a profit, or, indeed, even started offering services," not "had a sideline business for a while."
19:09 pianohacker  That's always nice, when other people have a higher opinion of our skills than we do
19:08 jcamins      s/exciting/excited/
19:08 jcamins      Actually, I applied for what was essentially the "level 1" business class, and I got a call from the course administrator saying "you should be in level 2."
19:08 jcamins      Yeah, I'm pretty exciting.
19:05 pianohacker  History class sounds cool, business even more so
19:03 jcamins      October 24 I'll be starting an intensive course on growing my business, which should be pretty interesting, too.
19:03 jcamins      A Cultural History of Russia.
19:02 pianohacker  That does sound nice. What's the class?
19:01 jcamins      I'm just taking one class right now, which is a relief.
19:01 pianohacker  Always is.
19:00 jcamins      Yikes! Sounds very busy.
19:00 pianohacker  How's your academic life going?
18:59 pianohacker  all hard, but interesting
18:59 pianohacker  Geology, Multivariable calculus, physics and data structures (compsci class)
18:58 jcamins      What are you taking?
18:58 pianohacker  Yup, back in classes. Life's been crazy, but good
18:57 rangi        hi pianohacker
18:56 cait         hi pianohacker
18:56 jcamins      Back in classes?
18:55 pianohacker  hi, jcamins
18:55 jcamins      Hi, pianohacker.
17:10 rhcl_lita    lyrasis speaker using Koha and Evergreen for all his ILS examples :)
16:23 rhcl_lita    gotta move
16:13 rhcl_lita    I think we're going to have to get "smart" fuzzy language android/gynoid interface bots.
16:12 rhcl_lita    slef: oh, yes, probably. But it was an early start. They're talking about a cat chatterbot here,  but in the real world in the near future....
16:02 druthb       This particular site (a big big K12) had huge numbers of returns first thing in the morning, followed about an hour later by a ton of OPAC activity.    Moving the MySQL made both choke points quite smooth.
16:02 jcamins      Step 1 is "make sure Koha works with MySQL on localhost." Step 2 is "move MySQL off localhost."
15:59 druthb       Tried it both ways on a problem child once, for comparison.
15:59 slef         I don't have any recent numbers though
15:59 jcamins      Yeah, that's already part of the plan.
15:59 druthb       :)
15:59 slef         snap!
15:59 druthb       Given a choice, moving the MySQL gives a larger performance boost.
15:59 slef         getting mysqld to its own CPU is more worthwhile I think
15:59 slef         I've definitely done that somewhere. Not straightforward but possible. Not fiddled with it recently I think. The need to do it has been reduced by ever-faster hardware.
15:58 druthb       I've done it, as well.
15:58 jcamins      slef: do you find that it is worthwhile, in terms of performance?
15:58 slef         jcamins: maybe
15:57 jcamins      slef: do I remember you mentioning something about running Zebra on a different server than the Apache server?
15:55 slef         rhcl_lita: I think Jeeves was part of the reason "artificially intelligent" is a synonym for "very stupid"
15:54 * slef       starts the koha-patches/bugs reconciler
15:53 huginn       New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6953] Value builder for NORMARC 007 does not show further options <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6953>
15:49 druthb       In Koha's case, all you'd need, to let it go get data, is a plugin to let the AIML-bot search Zebra, and C4::Items::GetItemsomethingorother.
15:46 druthb       We're already past feature freeze, sorry.  :P
15:46 rhcl_lita    sounds good. will you have it ready for 3.6?
15:45 druthb       (and, of course, the commonest single question in any library I've ever worked at:  "Where is the restroom?" )
15:44 druthb       It wouldn't replace a reference desk person any time soon, but you could get a good bit of mileage out of that, I should think.
15:43 druthb       then, you could work out ways to answer their question, not just give a list of items.  "Where do I find" != "What do you have"
15:42 druthb       what if you used an AIML-bot as a front end "discovery layer"?  Would take some fairly creative hackery, and it would need a tool for going out to the biblio database and finding things out, but that could be interesting.  "Where do I find books on auto repair?"  "I have forty books on auto repair; all of them are <location code>, at call number <call number>."
15:40 rhcl_lita    I always did like Ask Jeeves. Regret his demise.
15:39 druthb       I initially seeded it with a staff directory for a small consoritum, and some tidbits about each library.  The library staff all had fun talking to her, to try to figure out what Easter eggs I had put in the information.
15:37 rhcl_lita    Might be an intriguing interface for many; some would find it tedious, but it's interesting and worth investigating perhaps
15:35 druthb       I've played with the Alice bot before.  AIML is a bit tedious, but you can get some useful bits in there.
15:33 rhcl_lita    http://www.mentorpl.org/catbot.html
15:32 rhcl_lita    http://www.alicebot.org/aiml.html
15:20 druthb       Back in a few.
15:17 Oak          Hello druthb :)
15:17 slef         jcamins: sort of
15:17 druthb       Hi, Oak! :)
15:17 druthb       exactly, slef.  :)
15:17 slef         druthb: bad coffee too
15:17 Oak          hi cait :)
15:16 cait         hi Oak :)
15:16 * Oak        waves
15:04 jcamins      liw: awesome! That's what I thought.
15:04 liw          jcamins, sure
15:03 jcamins      liw: since you're here, I have a question about the Koha packages, if you have a moment. If I were to install the packages and set it up with the database running on localhost, could I later move the DB off localhost by changing the koha-confs?
15:02 * druthb     's opinion, and a dollar, will buy you a small cup of coffee at participating McDonald's locations....it isn't worth much.
15:02 rhcl_lita    and yes, marc (or RDA or whatever) still lives, but happily in the server room for the tech services people
15:01 rhcl_lita    and that a "cloud tag" might be more useful than an OPAC in it's current form
15:01 druthb       all of that, but we *do* need to preserve the MARC--at least until something better supplants it--for the purposes that it originally was developed--description and inventory control, data exchange, etc.
15:00 rhcl_lita    one of the points of the current speaker is that real world people think in tags, and that is, in fact, what they choose to use in their world
15:00 * jcamins    agrees.
15:00 druthb       (all IMO)
15:00 druthb       But we're afraid to cut the MARC apart to slice and dice it in ways the patron might be interested in...and if we can get past that, that's where things start getting more-useful.
14:59 druthb       The problem with most catalogs--and indeed, most "discovery layers" atop them--is that they continue to persist in preserving the MARC.  But a *lot* of that is stuff that few or no borrowers care about.
14:59 liw          when I was a teenager, I loved going to the card catalogs in my local library and look things up, either on purpose, or by random...
14:59 rhcl_lita    There is a general sense that paper books will be "essentially" gone < year 2020, but I don't get the impression that libraries are doing much to prepare for that
14:59 jcamins      rhcl_lita: I'm just commenting. As I don't work with discovery layers, I'm hardly an expert.
14:58 rhcl_lita    Would be glad to discuss the general topic of info exchange here with u later, but I think much of what I've heard has been overly generalized.
14:58 jcamins      rhcl_lita: the problem with that idea is that "discovery layers" are not an improvement over the catalog.
14:56 * druthb     isn't.
14:56 druthb       sure wish I could have been at LITA this year.  Would love to kick some ideas around the table with some of the people who are really smart.
14:53 rhcl_lita    <quote>: "Library catalog needs to become back room database. It is not the face we want to show our users. Move beyond it." </quote>
14:52 rhcl_lita    <quote>: "The library catalog isn't something that should be exposed to the public.  Stop trying to make the catalog better" </quote>
14:28 jcamins      druthb: that's what I thought, thanks.
14:18 rhcl_lita    lita talks tweeted on tag #litaforum
14:15 cait         hi rhcl_lita
14:15 cait         afternoon is right :) 16:14
14:13 druthb       jcamins; we've had libraries with nearly a half-million bibs whose mysqldump was less than 10GB.  So I would think lots and lots.
14:13 rhcl_lita    druthb!
14:13 druthb       hi, rhcl_lita
14:12 rhcl_lita    morning jcamins and afternoon (?) cait
14:12 jcamins      Yeah, that was my analysis.
14:12 wahanui      rumour has it a lot is possible already without having to rewrite the templates
14:12 cait         a lot?
14:12 cait         no idea
14:11 jcamins      How many records could fit in a 20GB database?
13:54 druthb       hi, jcamins! :D
13:54 jcamins      Hi cait and druthb.
13:54 cait         hi jcamins_away :)
13:53 jcamins_away \o
13:45 druthb       :)
13:44 cait         hi druthb :)
13:43 druthb       o/
12:22 jcamins_away slef: around?
09:21 slef         but itv is commercial public service rather than tax-funded, so it's all about the cost I guess
09:20 slef         I'm pretty sure the bbc use two commentary teams when they're showing such a match.
09:19 rangi        makes sense
09:19 slef         so it only goes nuts when one home nation is alone
09:18 slef         but itv1 serves wales and southern scotland too
09:17 slef         s4c (sianel pedwar cymru) is a bit too, so I'm told
09:16 rangi        maori tv is very biased
09:16 rangi        ahhh
09:16 slef         stv and itv use the same commentary... so they're being very level
09:15 slef         love the commentary on our tv of course
09:12 rangi        heh
09:12 slef         what no swallow dive? ;)
09:02 slef         bloody heck this is getting intricate
08:46 rangi        :)
08:46 slef         heh bit early for me... prob highlights this evening
08:44 rangi        the last 5 mins of that game was a sight to see
08:43 rangi        i think after the tonga - france game, any game that doesnt have front row forwards screaming tonga as they take the hit is gonna be pretty boring
08:43 slef         the rugby's going well again...
06:52 rangi        that is amazing
06:52 rangi        wow
06:33 cait         but also a country
06:32 Oak          ah
06:32 cait         in this case a rugby team
06:31 Oak          who is tonga?
06:30 cait         go tonga!!
06:29 rangi        go tonga!!
06:27 Oak          :)
06:27 cait         hi Oak :)
06:26 Oak          hello cait
06:18 cait         hi #koha
04:01 * Oak        waves
01:06 druthb       o/