IRC log for #koha, 2011-09-21

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00:00 eythian jcamins: sorry, bad phrasing: I've never known it to not allow imports from Z39.50 because of missing authorities, but I've never explicitly tried that either
00:00 jcamins Ah. Right.
00:00 jcamins lastnode: no, it's a good question.
00:00 jcamins The idea is to disambiguate names.
00:00 eythian lastnode: look at data from a system that's a few years old without them, and you'll see what they're for :)
00:01 eythian It reduces typos, bundles a bunch of information together in one place, and allows it to be updated centrally.
00:01 lastnode gotcha. so is there any way i can generaet authorities from teh records i already have in the db
00:01 lastnode or do i have to do it manually?
00:01 eythian I don't know, tbh. I wouldn't be surprised to find there's a way to do it.
00:01 rangi id check they  dont have them first
00:02 rangi if you have the syspref it will be creating them for you when you save
00:02 lastnode what is the syspref?
00:02 rangi cant remember
00:02 rangi go look for one around authorities ;)
00:02 eythian BiblioAddsAuthorities
00:02 wahanui well, BiblioAddsAuthorities is a syspref, under Authorities
00:03 lastnode it is set to Dont allow by default?
00:03 eythian no wahanui, BiblioAddsAuthorities is a syspref that lets authorities be created automagically when you add a record.
00:03 wahanui okay, eythian.
00:03 lastnode bc i didnt change that syspref.
00:03 eythian Have a look to see what it's set to now, and you'll know.
00:03 lastnode it's set to dont allow
00:04 lastnode :(
00:04 eythian (I think it's off by default, but I never trust anyone who says "I didn't touch that!" :)
00:04 lastnode haha
00:04 lastnode ok so now that i have 100+ records with no authorities added
00:04 lastnode will turning this on and editing all of them, add authorities?
00:04 rangi youve done an authority search eh
00:04 rangi and tested that they dont exist?
00:04 lastnode yes rangi
00:04 lastnode im searching for author names
00:06 lastnode so eythian BiblioAddsAuthorities ive set it to allow
00:07 lastnode will editing the records i have auto add records now?that seems to be what this option does, but just watn to make sure
00:07 eythian I don't know for sure, but it seems plausible.
00:07 rangi dunno if it does on edit
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00:07 rangi try it and see
00:08 lastnode k done
00:08 * lastnode waits for the zebra_rebuild
00:10 eythian http://www.downforeveryoneorju[…] :<
00:10 rangi hmm it was up this morning i was pushing to it
00:10 eythian so, you broke it then?
00:10 rangi the mirror is up to date
00:11 rangi naw i think its a vm thats pants
00:11 rangi
00:11 rangi all up to date
00:12 jcamins I think it's probably time for ByWater to upgrade that server. It's been down an awful lot lately.
00:12 rangi seems to lock up hard
00:13 rangi like i can ssh to it hard
00:13 rangi can=cant
00:13 rangi i wonder if something is dossing it
00:13 rangi or making it go OOM some other way
00:14 jcamins Could be.
00:14 jcamins Shari's home, with tomato sauce, so it's time for pizza!
00:14 jcamins Good night, #koha
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00:14 rangi cya jcamins_away
00:14 eythian cya
00:15 eythian I wonder if it's possible to point a URL to gitorius. That would also give us the features it has, too.
00:16 rangi its easy enough to set up a cron to mirror on gitorious
00:16 rangi i did it for months
00:16 rangi
00:18 rangi i could start that going again
00:19 rangi[…]ne/commits/master stopped in about june
00:19 lastnode yes, friends, that administrative setting did it
00:20 lastnode is tehre anyway to automate the edit of 100 records so authorities are added?
00:21 rangi probably, but would involve some coding
00:21 lastnode also, apart from personal name, are there other authorities i should be worried about?
00:21 rangi subjects
00:21 rangi and genres
00:22 lastnode ok
00:22 lastnode let's hope those are imported now as well
00:22 * lastnode edits harry potter and the philosopher's stone and waits for zebra to do its thing
00:23 lastnode rangi: if you dont mind, could you refresh my memory (i asked this question before). to restore a koha-dumped sql/tar file, do i need to koha-create first?
00:23 rangi dunno
00:24 lastnode say i have exported teh 'foobar' koha install from one server. to createit on the other
00:24 lastnode do i need to koha-create foobar then koha-restore foobar.sql.gz foobar.tar.gz
00:24 rangi dunno
00:24 lastnode hrm, ok
00:25 lastnode i recall you knowing the procedure, maybe im mistaken. my bad :)
00:25 rangi i suspect not
00:25 rangi i think you only need to create if you are just restoring the db
00:25 eythian lastnode: no
00:25 rangi from a mysqldump
00:25 eythian koha-restore I think will do the create for you
00:26 lastnode ok
00:26 lastnode thank you
00:27 lastnode i have to move koha from my vps to a school server bc school decided they dont want to pay for a vps
00:27 lastnode thus koha will only be accesible on LAN, but nvm, baby steps :)
00:28 eythian :)
00:28 lastnode how often does zebra-rebuild run by default? (cron)
00:29 eythian 15 minutes
00:29 lastnode gotcha
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00:31 lastnode eythian: next to personal name, what does the RLIN field do?
00:31 eythian I think it's the field that holds a reference to the actual authority record, or something along those lines.
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00:37 lastnode hmm editing records dont seem to be adding authorities now, posibly due to RLINvalue conflict, though im not being given an error. ive rebuilt zebra but the authorities of teh recrods i edited still dont show
00:37 * lastnode waits for the cron to run anyway
00:38 lastnode i used koha-rebuild-zebra
00:38 eythian if you run it with -v it tells you more about what's happening.
00:39 lastnode eythian: think i need the full path? koha-rebuild-zebra -v gave me nothing
00:40 eythian what about with --full
00:40 eythian it'll only do something if there's something to do
00:46 lastnode eythian: so the authorities (personal name) are added for some records when i edit, and for others no. even though all of the ones im editing have Personal Name
00:46 lastnode any idea why?
00:47 lastnode robert jordan got added twice, for one biblio item
00:52 lastnode ok it looks like koha-rebuild wasnt just rebuilding for me
00:52 lastnode the cron did it
00:59 lastnode thanks eythian rangi
01:00 lastnode eythian++
01:00 lastnode rangi++
01:27 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5533] marking item lost diff in two places <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5533>
02:14 rangi hmm bug 6891
02:14 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6891 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , LDIF interoperability - a proposal
02:26 eythian initial India visa form filled out. That was a terrible task.
02:26 rangi sekjal++
02:26 rangi
02:26 rangi im assuming it was he
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03:07 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6679 : fix 3 perl::critic warnings <[…]f873395f5d60c063c> / Bug 6679 Followup for acqui/ <[…]3241c1fe21e7bd5ab> / Bug 6679 Fix scripts in admin & acqui to pass Perl::Critic <[…]commitdiff;h=7cde
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03:08 jenkins_koha Starting build 47 for job Koha_3.4.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
03:08 jenkins_koha Starting build 418 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED)
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03:51 rangi i love git diff word-diff=color
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03:54 rangi and now it works
03:55 rangi you there bg?
03:57 bg I am
03:57 rangi yay finally
03:58 rangi :)
03:58 bg sweet
03:58 bg just in time to sleep ;)
03:58 rangi heh
03:58 bg it only took them four hours to reboot the wrieless
03:58 bg I even told them I'd unplug it for them
03:59 rangi heh
04:01 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6679] Fixing code so it passes basic Perl::Critic tests <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6679>
04:15 bg AHHHH  so nice to be back
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04:28 cait good morning #koha
04:28 eythian hi cait
04:28 cait hi :)
04:29 rangi hi cait
04:29 cait and hi rangi :)
04:32 cait @wunder konstanz
04:32 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 6.9�C (6:29 AM CEST on September 21, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Windchill: 7.0�C. Pressure: 30.19 in 1022.2 hPa (Steady).
04:34 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.4.x build #47: SUCCESS in 1 h 25 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.4.x/47/
04:34 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing
04:34 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing
04:34 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing
04:34 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6458 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, ASSIGNED , incorrect parsing result in translation processing
04:34 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing
04:34 jenkins_koha * srdjan: bug_6318: Always give predefined fields drop downs on label layout edit
04:40 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #418: SUCCESS in 1 h 32 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/418/
04:40 jenkins_koha * srdjan: bug_6318: Always give predefined fields drop downs on label layout edit
04:40 jenkins_koha * magnus: Bug 4877 [ENH] Use DocBook for koha-common manual pages
04:40 jenkins_koha * robin: Bug 4877 [ENH] [SIGNED-OFF] install generated man pages with build process
04:40 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 5675 : CheckReserves not honouring item level itemtypes preferences
04:40 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4877 enhancement, P4, ---, magnus, NEW , koha-* scripts have no manual pages
04:40 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6766 - Template variable scope errors in holds template
04:40 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6842 - Branch transfer limits broken
04:40 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5675 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, NEW , Returned items always trigger hold notification
04:40 jenkins_koha * ian.walls: Enh 6887: Add 'checked out from' column to issued items display tables
04:40 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 6679 Fix scripts in admin & acqui to pass Perl::Critic
04:40 jenkins_koha * f.demians: Bug 6679 Followup for acqui/
04:40 jenkins_koha * maxime.pelletier: Bug 6679 : fix 3 perl::critic warnings
04:40 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6766 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Template variable scope errors in holds template
04:40 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6842 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Branch transfer limits broken
04:40 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6679 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Fixing code so it passes basic Perl::Critic tests
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04:44 cait oh someone's busy :)
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06:45 cait hi hdl
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06:47 hdl1 hi Callender
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06:47 hdl hi cait
06:47 hdl hi all
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06:48 reiveune hi
06:48 wahanui hola, reiveune
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07:25 kf good morning #koha :)
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07:28 reiveune re-hi
07:28 kf hi reiveune
07:28 reiveune :)
07:29 kf :)
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07:33 francharb hello all
07:34 kf hi francharb
07:34 francharb hi kf
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07:53 kf hi sophie_m :)
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07:53 sophie_m Guten Morgen kf :-)
07:57 rangi back
07:59 kf wb rangi
08:00 rangi thanks
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09:05 Oak kia ora #koha
09:05 Oak kf
09:12 kf hi Oak :)
09:12 Oak :)
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09:56 kf @later tell wizzyrea: something seems to be wrong with - check for the smileys to see what I mean
09:56 huginn kf: The operation succeeded.
09:57 rangi it hasnt been updated for a while too
09:59 kf it has double entries
10:00 kf rangi: is it possible to configure the standard result list for bugzilla?
10:00 kf I keep adding patch status to all and every search, perhaps we could make it a defualt?
10:00 kf could replace priority
10:01 rangi not that i know of there isnt
10:01 rangi i removed the double entries, its still a year out of date
10:02 kf ok
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10:06 kf @later tell wizzyrea: rangi repaired it but an update would be cool :)
10:06 huginn kf: The operation succeeded.
10:06 kf hm
10:06 kf @later tell wizzyrea rangi repaird it but an update would be cool :)
10:06 huginn kf: The operation succeeded.
10:07 rangi you spelt it right the first time
10:07 rangi @later tell wizzyrea kf can't spell tonight
10:07 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded.
10:08 kf there was a :
10:08 kf was not sure if he will like that or look for a wizzyrea:
10:09 rangi @later tell wizzyrea and she uses excess punctuation
10:09 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded.
10:09 kf @later tell wizzyrea and rangi can't read :P
10:09 huginn kf: The operation succeeded.
10:09 rangi thats gonna confuse her in the morning ;)
10:09 kf hehe
10:09 rangi repaird  :P
10:09 kf oh
10:09 kf hmpf
10:10 kf she will understand
10:10 rangi :)
10:10 rangi she'll probably read the log anyway
10:13 kf yep and shake her head at us
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11:08 kf @wunder Konstanz
11:08 huginn kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 16.0�C (1:00 PM CEST on September 21, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 30.17 in 1022 hPa (Falling).
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12:19 nengard hello #koha, i'm looking for a bug I thought I reported (that is fixed I think) where values aren't showing in the statistics wizards
12:20 oleonard Yeah, I thought I fixed that
12:21 oleonard Bug 6640
12:21 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6640 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Template errors in defining default variable values causes information not to be displayed
12:22 oleonard Bug 6493 may sound more familiar
12:22 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6493 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, Circulation Stats Wizard row contains no values
12:28 oleonard nengard: I thought the point of Bug 5874 was that you were *supposed* to have reports permission to access the overdues report.
12:28 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5874 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, Overdue report : Limit by date & add a new permission to restrict who can run the report
12:29 nengard oleonard 6493 is it!
12:30 nengard oleonard, i don't think so on bug 5874 - i thought cic reports were on the circ page so that they were accessible to those with circ permissions without giving them report permissions
12:30 oleonard 6493 describes the symptoms of the problem, but 6640 deals with the root cause
12:30 nengard i have a few libraries who see it as a big bug
12:31 oleonard nengard: I'm just pointing out that someone filed 5874 because they thought it should work that way. So technically the bug is resolved, because it does what it set out to do.
12:31 nengard got it
12:31 nengard now - did i report a bug to say that i thought it was a bug? i thought I did - but I'm so damn fuzzy and my search skills seem to be lacking right now
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12:34 kf hm
12:34 kf i want to sqash the 3 latest commits on a branch into one patch
12:35 kf but I have problems getting the syntax right
12:36 kf git rebase -i HEAD^^^ did it :)
12:39 nengard :)
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14:06 wizzyrea mornin
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14:07 wizzyrea cait I'm confused about my laters :P
14:07 wizzyrea what does it mean?
14:08 oleonard laters?
14:08 wizzyrea oh, never mind. The crucial first @later didn't come through!
14:09 oleonard Oh, @laters
14:09 wizzyrea ^^ that
14:10 druthb Puzzler re: Diacritics and labels--if you export in PDF, diacritics get mangled.  Anyone seen this?  There aren't any bugs in BZ about labels specifically.
14:10 oleonard laters are like the IRC equivalent of getting snail mail. So exciting.
14:10 oleonard druthb: I think it's a known bug
14:10 wizzyrea druthb: that is well known to NEKLS owners of pokémon
14:10 wizzyrea they just know to do those labels manually
14:11 oleonard I've heard chris_n rant before about the impossibility of getting PDFs to play nice with diacritics
14:11 wizzyrea ^^
14:11 druthb Bug 2629 points at problems with searching diacritics, but there doesn't seem to be one about printing labels.
14:11 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2629 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Diacritics not being ignored when searching
14:12 wizzyrea I think that there may not be an official bug for it, but I know chris_n is aware of the issue
14:12 wizzyrea and like I said, our libraries just know to make that label manually
14:12 wizzyrea ping chris_n
14:13 druthb hm...just as a placeholder, I think I'll open a bug to it, so I can link to it from our tracker; we've got a couple of places reporting this one.
14:13 wizzyrea yes, definitely, I will confirm that bug.
14:14 wizzyrea who wants to go with me testing on 553
14:14 wizzyrea bug 5533
14:14 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5533 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , marking item lost diff in two places
14:14 druthb wizzyrea++ ;  I confirmed what my new ticket was seeing by testing it on your site.  ^.^
14:15 wizzyrea woohoo!
14:17 druthb Bug 6899 added
14:17 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6899 normal, P5, ---, cnighswonger, NEW , Diacritics do not export to PDF correctly
14:21 oleonard chris_n will probably mark that "wontfix because it is unpossible"
14:22 druthb If the bug is in PDF::Reuse, that's one thing.  There's one line in C4::Creators::PDF that talks about utf8, and it's conditional; I tried making it unconditional, but that didn't change anything.
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14:25 druthb my_searching_skills--
14:25 druthb Bug 6899 is a duplicate of Bug 2246.
14:25 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6899 normal, P5, ---, cnighswonger, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, Diacritics do not export to PDF correctly
14:25 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2246 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, cnighswonger, NEW , Label printing doesn't work with Unicode characters
14:25 wizzyrea oh snap that's old
14:25 kf hehe
14:26 kf yep
14:26 kf and not really solvable with pdf it seems
14:26 * kf waves
14:26 wizzyrea is this a library that does a lot of stuff with diacritics?
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14:27 kf wizzyrea: I notices some entries on the history page were doubled up, left you a later, chris corrected, noticed it's over a year old... and chris started teasing me about my typos
14:27 wizzyrea is it actually really utterly burdensome to do the labels manually?
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14:27 wizzyrea our libraries don't really feel that it is
14:27 wizzyrea at least, I haven't heard complaints
14:27 druthb For a site with very, very large foreign-language collections--such as the one I'm wrangling right now--it'd be really a problem.
14:27 kf depends on the library I guess
14:27 kf I thin it was discussed to do a html version
14:28 * oleonard was wondering yesterday whether it was possible to automate the creation of ODF files
14:28 kf as a way to make all things print correctly
14:28 sekjal hi, all
14:28 kf instead of using pdf
14:28 wizzyrea hi sekjal
14:28 kf sekjal will now perhap
14:28 kf know
14:28 wizzyrea :D
14:28 sekjal oh, dear
14:28 sekjal know what?
14:28 oleonard The answer
14:28 wahanui the answer is always go back to sleep
14:28 kf label printing with diacritics
14:28 oleonard Nice one wahanui
14:28 wizzyrea ^^
14:28 kf and plans to resolve the unicode/pdf problem :)
14:29 sekjal ah, for that we need HTML label format.  then the browser/OS can handle the Print to PDF part
14:29 wizzyrea well there is a facility for getting the data out in CSV, they could do a mail merge
14:29 sekjal since the open tools for PDF creation are... limited
14:29 wizzyrea it's not quite a perfect workflow
14:29 wizzyrea but it would work
14:29 sekjal chris_n has a branch-in-progress for HTML label export, but it's not quite operational yet
14:29 sekjal last estimate he had, I believe, was another 40-50 hrs work
14:30 wizzyrea urf
14:31 kf urf
14:35 sekjal if I knew a bit more about OO Perl, I may be able to throw some effort at it, but at this point, it'd probably take me twice as long as chris_n to do anything helpful
14:36 * oleonard wonders what chris_n is up to these days
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14:48 kf jcamins_away: around?
14:56 slef fun fun fun
14:56 slef hi all
14:57 sekjal hi slef
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14:57 sekjal are there any special considerations I have to put into place to allow holds on 'On Order' materials?
14:58 sekjal using current master
14:58 wizzyrea oo
14:58 wizzyrea we have maybe some docs on that sekjal
14:58 wizzyrea sec
14:58 sekjal thx
14:58 oleonard ...something I should know.
14:58 wizzyrea[…]g-on-order-items/
14:59 wizzyrea now, that's not going to be current master
15:00 wizzyrea but, could probably be adapted.
15:00 wizzyrea it's the way we're using it now
15:00 wizzyrea iirc
15:01 sekjal ok
15:01 sekjal will read
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15:01 sekjal also working on a more robust patch for 6673.... too much multitasking!
15:01 wizzyrea :)
15:01 oleonard wizzyrea: What's the authorized value for "Ordered?" With us it's -1. I think it has to be negative to allow holds.
15:02 * wizzyrea will look
15:02 oleonard sekjal: Please let me know if there's anything I can do to help with 6673
15:03 wizzyrea ours is -1 as well
15:04 sekjal oleonard:  have you read my updates from last night?
15:05 oleonard Yes. I never test using the KohaAdmin account though.
15:06 wizzyrea I'm amazed that my catalogers haven't noticed this.
15:06 sekjal hmmmm
15:06 sekjal you'll get the error message in two cases
15:06 sekjal (okay, maybe more)
15:06 wizzyrea but their workflow is on existing added items, nothing in the repository
15:06 sekjal if the new batch cannot be created, or if any of the items cannot be added to it
15:06 sekjal the new batch cannot be created if the branchcode is improperly set
15:07 sekjal the items cannot be added if the import had duplicate barcodes
15:07 sekjal or if the import was reverted
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15:14 sekjal okay, updated my patch on 6673 to remove all weird usage of LoginBranchname
15:16 oleonard So what Koha consortia "charging their librarians multi-thousand dollar extraction
15:16 oleonard fees just to get their own data out!" ?
15:17 wizzyrea !!!
15:17 wizzyrea where did you see this?
15:17 oleonard bug 6891
15:17 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6891 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , LDIF interoperability - a proposal
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15:19 wizzyrea well migrations from proprietary systems do cost money to complete?
15:20 wizzyrea i mean someones gotta wrangle that data into shape
15:20 wizzyrea and presumably they are paid to do it
15:20 wizzyrea NEKLS absorbs a lot of that cost for our members, but it does cost us to do, no matter the ILS
15:21 sekjal yeah, I'm going to have to call for a "cite source" on that remark
15:21 wizzyrea but
15:21 wizzyrea a couple thousand bucks simply to extract the data?
15:21 wizzyrea that seems a bit much.
15:22 wizzyrea my guess is he misunderstands what they're paying for.
15:22 wizzyrea (and it's possible the customer doesn't know either due to bad communication from the consortia)
15:22 sekjal maybe
15:23 wizzyrea I can certainly see how it would *appear* to a member library that the only work done with the library was when we come in and extract the data
15:23 sekjal probably not worth getting in a lather over
15:23 wizzyrea what they don't see is all the hours spent analyzing and refining the data to fit into a consortial system.
15:23 wizzyrea yea, I don't think so either.
15:24 wizzyrea a common format would certainly help with the hours spent analyzing and massaging, though.
15:24 gmcharlt format*s*
15:25 wizzyrea formats ;)
15:25 gmcharlt but that's just my preference for a set of small formats that each do their thing well rather than a huge unitary one
15:25 wizzyrea a common way of denoting fines and statistics would be most welcome.
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15:32 nengard i'm having bug searching trouble today - my librarain skills are broken on drugs apparently - can anyone tell me if there is a bug report for the fact that you can't place holds on items that are on order? i know you used to, but now it seems to be controled by allowing on shelf holds and i wanted to update the bug report
15:32 * oleonard was not aware that it was broken
15:34 * wizzyrea either
15:35 nengard if you have allowonshelfholds off you can't place a hold on an ordered item
15:35 nengard apparently ?
15:36 * chris_n realizes he was the topic of conversation this morning :-)
15:36 wizzyrea that seems logical to me
15:36 wizzyrea the ordered item is 'on the shelf'
15:36 wizzyrea the solution would be to check out the item to cataloging
15:36 wizzyrea then people could place holds on it
15:36 oleonard chris_n: I thought that's what you materialized. We said your name too darn many times.
15:37 wizzyrea not a bug, imo
15:37 chris_n hehe
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15:37 wizzyrea hello and goodbye
15:37 gmcharlt just with much happier results as compared to saying "hastur" three times
15:37 chris_n HTML labels is very doable
15:37 * wizzyrea doesn't try it
15:38 chris_n I got into it and then suddenly ran out of time
15:38 wizzyrea I love hearing things are doable
15:39 gmcharlt wizzyrea: would be a reasonable enhancement, though - think of renaming the AllowOnShelfHolds syspref to AllowHoldsOnAvailableItems
15:39 * chris_n loves hearing he has more time :-)
15:39 sekjal gmcharlt:  "available" is not clearly defined in Koha, unfortunately
15:39 wizzyrea ^^
15:40 sekjal and I think it would be to contextualized:  available for loan, available for use, available for holds, etc
15:40 gmcharlt sekjal: but the concept behind the renaming stands
15:40 wizzyrea you're both right :)
15:41 wizzyrea well... an on order item technically is only available for reserves.
15:41 * wizzyrea sits down and shuts up.
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15:44 sekjal AllowOnOrderHolds?
15:44 wizzyrea ^^
15:44 sekjal but "on order" is controlled by the data, not by any explicit coding
15:44 sekjal that is, by current convention, notforloan == -1
15:44 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6875] de-nesting C4 packages <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6875>
15:45 sekjal and a library may or may not actually have that authorized value in their system
15:50 gmcharlt sekjal: which arguably ought to be buttoned up a bit so that code can count on knowing if an item is on order or not
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16:00 * wizzyrea curses the yui buttons
16:00 wizzyrea makes selenium tests harder.
16:01 * druthb wonders if there's someone around who can give signoff to my teeny XSLT patch on Bug 6900.  It's working on a test server for me, but there might be a better way to do that.
16:01 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6900 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, ruth, ASSIGNED , In XSLT, OPAC display of availability needs a line break when both loan and not-for-loan items present
16:02 jcamins_away druthb: I got it.
16:02 druthb jcamins++
16:02 druthb thanx!
16:03 jcamins_away Wow, I just submitted and fixed bug 6800 a few weeks ago.
16:03 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6800 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED , Koha authentication should handle proxies better
16:03 jcamins_away There sure are a lot of bugs reported.
16:04 sekjal lots of Koha users
16:04 jcamins_away Yup.
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16:04 jcamins_away I'm not saying that's a bad thing, just being impressed.
16:07 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6900] In XSLT, OPAC display of availability needs a line break when both loan and not-for-loan items present <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6900>
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16:11 jcamins_away druthb: it might be nice to have the word "Copies" lining up on the two lines, but it's definitely an improvement.
16:11 jcamins_away Signing off.
16:11 wahanui signing off is a great idea!
16:12 oleonard all the cool kids are doing it
16:12 druthb Hm.  on my screen, they *do* line up.
16:12 jcamins_away Really?
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16:13 jcamins_away I'm talking about horizontally.
16:13 wizzyrea oleonard: i'm poking at the search patch
16:13 wizzyrea i'm still not clear on what attributes we should be able to search by
16:13 * wizzyrea will roll it back and try searching for my attribute of "tabby" in additional attributes
16:14 wizzyrea never mind, I found it
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16:26 kf jcamins_away: have a minute?
16:26 kf i am stuck on an xslt problem
16:27 kf what am I doing wrong here? :(
16:28 jcamins_away kf: I do.
16:28 kf Language: ; ; <result
16:28 kf marc: =041  0\$alat$aang$asga
16:29 kf :)
16:29 wizzyrea nengard: I'm not quite done with this yet
16:29 wizzyrea
16:29 wizzyrea but
16:29 wizzyrea better.
16:29 jcamins_away Ooh, nifty feature.
16:30 jcamins_away Try xsl:when test="text() = 'ang'" etc.
16:31 kf hm
16:31 kf not sure this is the problem
16:31 kf I had it working with this check for one language code
16:32 kf but the repeated ...
16:32 kf grr
16:33 kf oh
16:33 jcamins_away Yes, for-each changes the scope.
16:33 kf jcamins_away++++ :)
16:33 kf thd
16:33 kf thx
16:34 wizzyrea documentation?
16:34 wahanui i heard documentation was at
16:34 wizzyrea documentation/
16:34 wizzyrea documentation?
16:34 wahanui hmmm... documentation is at
16:34 wizzyrea documentation?
16:34 wahanui i heard documentation was at
16:34 * wizzyrea is impatient
16:34 kf hah! Language: Latin; German, Old High (ca. 750-1050)
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16:48 oleonard Oh sekjal, didn't realize you'd left. I guess my PMs disappeared into the ether.
16:49 * oleonard looks disapprovingly at his chat client
16:49 sekjal oleonard:  sorry, my wifi connection was terminated, so I had to relocate
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17:39 wizzyrea cait, can you gurn off the analytics view in the OPAC?
17:39 wizzyrea it's frightening and confusing for my users >.>
17:40 wizzyrea mostly because it  404's
17:40 wizzyrea s/gurn/turn
17:40 cait hehe not yet
17:40 cait it's on my list
17:40 cait for tonight
17:40 wizzyrea lol ok
17:40 cait I wanted to talk to oleonard about it
17:40 cait is he still here?
17:40 cait I was thinking syspref vs. classes / ids in the xslt file
17:40 cait so you can turn off and on fields with css
17:40 * oleonard is here
17:40 wizzyrea i'm a fan of killing it with css
17:41 cait adding it to the summary spans
17:41 wizzyrea oh now they want to know what exactly it is supposed to do
17:41 * wizzyrea honestly has no idea
17:41 cait hehe
17:41 cait if oyu have analytics in your catalog it will bring up a result list for that
17:41 cait showing you the essays
17:41 cait should not bring up 404 actually
17:41 cait only an empty list of you have none
17:42 wizzyrea well, result not found I guess
17:42 cait yep
17:42 wizzyrea now that i look at it myself
17:42 wizzyrea i am pretty sure we do not have analytics in our catalog >.>
17:42 wizzyrea apparently.
17:42 cait so you are volunteering to sign off? :)
17:42 cait if I get it done tonight?
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17:42 wizzyrea well yes
17:42 cait just got home, will eat dinner and get started on it
17:42 wizzyrea for the hiding
17:42 wizzyrea anyway
17:42 wizzyrea i have no idea how it works
17:42 cait oleonard: do you think this is an ok idea?
17:42 wizzyrea so...
17:43 * wizzyrea claims ignorance
17:43 cait wizzyrea: do you have an example in your catalog I could look at?
17:43 wizzyrea yea sec
17:43 wizzyrea http://catalog.nexpresslibrary[…]blionumber=469048
17:43 cait ok, this is a serial record
17:43 oleonard cait: All fields? So would have an XSLT file that showed everything, and libraries would hide what they didn't want?
17:43 cait ldr says so
17:44 cait oleonard: I thought it would make sense for some other fields perhaps too
17:44 cait and would be better than having sysprefs
17:44 wizzyrea and http://catalog.nexpresslibrary[…]blionumber=469047
17:44 cait and you could also make something bold or chang eit easier if there were some individual id's or classes
17:44 cait but wanted to check with you if it's a bad idea for a reason I am not thinking about right now :)
17:45 * wizzyrea is glad there are brilliant people like cait and jcamins to do stuff with things like analytics
17:45 wizzyrea because I really have no idea.
17:45 cait hehe
17:45 cait let's say you catalog the essays in the serial
17:45 cait so people can search for them
17:45 cait some special libraries do that
17:45 cait you link them using 773 I think
17:45 cait to the serial
17:46 cait but the serial has no idea it has analytics (that's why I can't show the link only if there are analytics)
17:46 cait the link currently will show up automatically if it is a serial record
17:46 cait but I want to make it hidable
17:46 * cait is not brillian
17:46 cait t
17:46 cait brilliant would be a way to make the link only show up if there is something to be found
17:47 cait at the moment it's show everywhere or show nowhere
17:47 wizzyrea aha
17:47 wizzyrea she's going to tweak the ldr on those 2 records for now
17:47 wizzyrea to hide it
17:47 wizzyrea :P
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17:48 wizzyrea but we will poke your patch when we see it
17:48 cait :)
17:48 cait ok
17:48 * cait needs more tea
17:49 * wizzyrea supports cait's tea habit
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17:55 cait hehe
17:55 maximep trying to figure out the create order page... the Actual cost field is never saved in the db ?
17:56 cait maximep: it will when oyu enter it on receive I think
17:56 cait and it should
17:56 maximep but it is when you receive
17:56 cait yep
17:56 cait rangi told me it's on the order page too in case you want to skip the receive part - but that's not working now
17:56 cait probably a broken feature
17:56 maximep shouldn't the two be linked together ?
17:57 maximep because the replacement and budgeted cost are the same in the 2 interfaces
17:57 cait I would think so, at the momen the one on order seems not to be functional
17:57 maximep ok
17:57 maximep going to open a bug report then
17:57 maximep and do a patch
17:57 cait yay :)
17:57 maximep because without that, there's no way to modify the price
17:57 maximep after u receive
17:57 cait hm
17:57 cait ah
17:57 cait but it works
17:57 cait after receive
17:57 cait with a patch
17:58 cait that I signed off on these days
17:58 cait ahve you searched bugzilla for actual price?
17:58 cait there should be at least 2 bug reports about that
17:58 maximep bug 6414
17:58 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6414 major, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW , actual price not recorded when ordering
17:58 maximep but no patch
17:59 maximep let's see if theres another..
17:59 cait ah, I have more
17:59 cait bug 4831
17:59 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4831 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , Actual Price being ignored after receive
17:59 cait bug 6879
17:59 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6879 critical, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW , Actual price should show correctly on order line and basket summary
17:59 maximep wow lol
17:59 cait the first one has a patch
18:00 cait the second is a bigger problem - and I probably understand now what you mean and you are right
18:00 cait if you want to change the actual price after receive you need to modify the order line
18:00 cait and it shows the wrong value in there - I rreported that in 6879
18:01 maximep ok
18:01 * cait hopes she didn't scare you away :)
18:01 maximep 4831 doesn't seem to be the same problem
18:01 cait no
18:02 cait it's only connected to the actual price thing
18:02 cait and has a patch
18:02 cait so I wanted you to know :)
18:02 maximep that code is so hard to understand :/
18:03 * cait sends chocolate
18:07 maximep it shows ecost in the actual cost of neworder, but I think it should show unitprice
18:08 maximep and be saved as unitprice
18:08 maximep I think that would fix both 6414 and 6879
18:08 cait I would say try it out and let me test :)
18:09 * wizzyrea is glad to vanquish bug 5533
18:09 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5533 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , marking item lost diff in two places
18:10 slef wizzyrea: I've a new cool plugin for wordpress. See it on my blog's comment forms.
18:10 wizzyrea slef forgive me, which blog?
18:11 maximep cait: ok, will send a patch to 6879
18:11 * wizzyrea likes neat plugins
18:11 slef arrrrrrrrgh
18:11 * slef goes to cut and paste it
18:11 wizzyrea oy!
18:12 slef autocomplete is biting me
18:12 slef cool new login links on[…]ts/1149/#comments
18:13 slef it's a hack of comments-with-openid to make it work more nicely with 3.2
18:13 slef I'll publish it RSN
18:13 wizzyrea ooo!
18:13 wizzyrea that is NEATO
18:14 wizzyrea so commenters don't have to have an actual blog account to post comments
18:14 wizzyrea ?
18:15 wizzyrea that is NEAT.
18:15 slef no, but I allow public to comment with moderation anyway
18:15 slef it just avoids them having to type in all three fields
18:16 slef as wordpress will go eat them from their profile
18:16 wizzyrea i like that
18:16 slef I'd like to add facebook and twitter but they make you register for API keys, which sucks
18:16 wizzyrea *nod*
18:17 slef I spend too much time fiddling with our wordpress because it is FUN already
18:17 wizzyrea :) wordpress *is* fun
18:17 oleonard Wait... slef? Fun? PHP?
18:17 * wizzyrea just goes with it
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18:19 slef oleonard: the good thing of wordpress I don't have to write much PHP at any one time and rarely get stuck adding bloody echo(); commands to debug it.
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18:19 slef it's reasonable
18:20 wizzyrea did you guys see this?
18:20 wizzyrea[…]s-are-configured/
18:20 wizzyrea kind of awesome.
18:21 slef mediawiki is not fun
18:21 maximep puppet is sure cool
18:21 maximep once you create all your scripts and your configs
18:21 wizzyrea but it's cool to see how they've done stuff.
18:21 wizzyrea imo
18:21 slef yeah, it's one good way of doing things... we're a bit more ad-hoc by using git trees to share configs around
18:22 slef we still don't have many servers that are exactly the same configuration
18:22 slef maybe it'll be a 10th birthday present for us ;-)
18:22 wizzyrea :D
18:23 wizzyrea man I am loving
18:24 maximep yeah I guess it's worth it if you have to install 40 servers with the same config :p
18:24 sekjal soliciting opinions:  I'm working on bug 6403, and I'm wondering if it's worth having a syspref to control this, or to just do it automatically
18:24 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6403 enhancement, P5, ---, ian.walls, NEW , Record local use stats when checking in
18:26 sekjal right now, all my patch is doing, is if the item isn't issued when it's returned, changing the UpdateStats type from 'return' to 'localuse'
18:26 sekjal (and adding a message to the template noting "inhouse use recorded"
18:26 wizzyrea well
18:26 cait it goes into statistics table or will it increment the local use value?
18:26 cait I think the problem is lots of people are checking in stuff
18:26 wizzyrea ok, we use checkin to process incoming transfers
18:26 cait just to check what's  up with it
18:26 wizzyrea is that a valud localuse?
18:26 cait so it would always count
18:26 wizzyrea valid*
18:27 cait and not only for the statistical user like before
18:27 cait and for this I think it should perhaps be a sys pref
18:27 cait I think local use would be if oyu have a thing like a reading room
18:27 wizzyrea sorry to make it harder sekjal :(
18:27 sekjal aside from the message, the only difference with the syspref on is that UpdateStats adds the entry as "localuse" instead of "return"
18:27 cait and want to track what people are bringing in there to read
18:28 sekjal doesn't add a new statistics table entry
18:28 * wizzyrea ponders this
18:28 sekjal just modifies the one that's already occurring
18:28 cait sekjal: so you are not incrementing the value in the item? the localusething?
18:28 cait I thought there was a value in items for this... but perhaps I am mistaken
18:29 sekjal cait:  I don't believe there is such an item value
18:29 cait and that you would use the statistical patron to incrmeent that by checkout
18:29 sekjal at least, if there is, it's not updating it when a statistical patron is used, either
18:29 wizzyrea yea that's gotta be a syspref.
18:29 wizzyrea as an example, we wouldn't want every item checked in to fill a hold to be a localuse
18:30 sekjal but it should be recorded as 'return'?
18:30 wizzyrea we, specifically, don't do anything with return statistics
18:30 wizzyrea precisely for this reason
18:30 wizzyrea because return stats are bloated by reserves
18:30 cait hm you are probably right
18:30 cait http://manual.koha-community.o[…]trackinhouse.html
18:31 cait http://manual.koha-community.o[…]dstatspatron.html
18:31 sekjal so... the robust solution would be to breakdown the UpdateStats type even more intelligently
18:31 cait so you could still use a statistical user for specific stuff
18:31 sekjal so returns are indeed all returns, localuse all localuse, holds are hold, etc. etc
18:31 wizzyrea ^^ yes, sadly this
18:32 cait maximep++
18:32 * wizzyrea knows that's a lot more work.
18:32 cait sekjal: I think you are right
18:32 cait wizzyrea: the new search for the manual is great
18:32 sekjal okay, well that's outside the scope of today's project.  I'll just put the syspref in there, then, as originally planned
18:32 wizzyrea I do my best
18:32 wizzyrea but I'm glad you like it
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18:35 cait wizzyrea: bug 6901
18:35 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6901 enhancement, P5, ---, katrin.fischer, NEW , Add CSS classes/ids to OPAC and staff XSLT views
18:36 wizzyrea k. food, then that.
18:37 cait wizzyrea: not there yet, only the bug is there now ;)
18:37 wizzyrea hehe
18:37 wizzyrea k
18:45 pastebot "oleonard" at pasted "For cait: jQuery show/hide example" (142 lines) at
18:45 cait oleonard++
18:45 cait :)
18:46 cait thank you!
18:47 oleonard You're very welcome
18:48 slef so wizzyrea you want me to post that modified plugin then? ;-)
18:56 cait nengard++
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19:10 jcamins_away Ooh, does anyone want to join the Dark Side? They're hiring.
19:10 cait I am  not tempted
19:10 jcamins_away Lightsaber and scary mask not included.
19:10 cait lol
19:10 jcamins_away Well... what if they offered you a lightsaber or scary mask?
19:10 jcamins_away Or black cape!
19:10 * cait was wondering: how das yoda speak in english?
19:10 cait dark the other side is?
19:10 jcamins_away Yup.
19:11 cait shut up yoda and eat your toast...
19:11 jcamins_away :)
19:11 cait sorry, couln#t resist
19:11 oleonard Where'd you see that jcamins_away ?
19:11 jcamins_away oleonard: sith-l? ;)
19:11 jcamins_away Autocat.
19:12 oleonard sith-l is a very well-behaved list. Anyone who leaves their vacation auto-responder turned on gets force-choked.
19:13 cait ok
19:13 cait something did go wrong here
19:13 cait runtime error: file /home/katrin/kohaclone/koha-tmpl/intrane​t-tmpl/prog/en/xslt/MARC21slimUtils.xsl line 143 element choose Variable 'UseAuthoritiesForTracings' has not been declared.  at /home/katrin/kohaclone/C4/ line 178 :(
19:13 cait oleonard: lol
19:14 jcamins_away cait: the variables at the top are now scoped wrong.
19:14 cait are now?
19:14 cait what have I done?
19:14 jcamins_away Probably deleted an <xsl:if>?
19:15 cait checking...
19:16 jcamins_away Wait... that error doesn't make sense.
19:16 cait no
19:16 jcamins_away Oh, I see.
19:16 cait perhaps it does not like spaces in attributes?
19:16 jcamins_away Two line numbers.
19:17 cait yes?
19:17 jcamins_away Wait a minute.
19:17 * oleonard flees
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19:18 cait oh that's nice
19:18 cait master is broken oto
19:18 cait to it was not ME
19:19 jcamins_away No it's not.
19:19 jcamins_away Someone rearranged things a bit.
19:19 cait ok
19:19 jcamins_away Add this line in that template: <xsl:variable name="UseAuthoritiesForTracings" select="marc:sysprefs/marc:syspref[@​name='UseAuthoritiesForTracings']"/>
19:19 cait which commit was it?
19:20 jcamins_away I'm not sure.
19:20 cait hm
19:20 jcamins_away One of the problem commits was f087137f, which had a one-line change I didn't notice.
19:20 jcamins_away However, I think there's another, more recent commit, too, where a line was removed, probably.
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19:24 cait xslt pm?
19:25 jcamins_away No, it's all scoping in the XSLTs.
19:25 jcamins_away The error is because m880select is getting called in a context where the variables aren't defined.
19:27 cait oh
19:27 cait where
19:27 jcamins_away I don't know. :(
19:27 jcamins_away And I'm trying to write a paper right now, so I can't really look.
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19:37 cait jcamins++
19:38 cait saving my evening :)
19:40 jcamins_away :)
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19:47 rangi hi trea
19:47 trea rangi, hello
19:47 trea how's well? anymore hail?
19:48 trea welly*
19:48 rangi nope not for about a week anyway
19:48 rangi it better be fine tomorrow
19:48 rangi going to the usa vs australia game
19:49 trea no kidding. iirc hail is pretty unusual isn't it?
19:49 rangi this time of year, yep
19:49 wizzyrea lordie ohloh is slow today!
19:49 wizzyrea wtfizzle
19:50 rangi heh
19:54 cait ah,now oleonard is gone
19:54 cait which css file do I add a new class to?
19:54 cait that is used in xslt files for staff and opac?
19:54 rangi both
19:54 rangi I reckon
20:01 wizzyrea this might be a dumb question
20:01 wizzyrea can you bring in a record with items and directly overlay
20:01 rangi when importing?
20:01 rangi overlay the items?
20:02 wizzyrea example, you have a bib with 3 items all checked out, as part of a batch process you want to overlay the items to edit one or several of the barcodes
20:02 wizzyrea what does that do to the current issue/
20:02 wizzyrea if anything
20:02 cait no items overlay
20:02 cait once a barcode is in
20:02 cait the items never get touched or changed in any way
20:02 cait only overlay for records
20:02 cait you can overlay and add items
20:02 rangi what she said
20:03 cait hehe
20:03 wizzyrea ty
20:03 wizzyrea that's really helpful :)
20:03 cait sorry :)
20:03 wizzyrea cait++
20:03 wizzyrea no no
20:03 wizzyrea don't be sorry
20:06 cait wizzyrea: I have staff ready in 3 minutes
20:06 cait last proof read
20:06 wizzyrea k
20:06 cait I had to do a bit more to fix things for original script 880 fields
20:06 cait I will attach some sample records - is this ok for you?
20:06 rangi I should win lotto
20:07 rangi and donate the money to the make wizzy and cait work on koha fulltime fund
20:07 wizzyrea yep
20:07 wizzyrea lol
20:07 cait totally
20:07 cait does the fund include regular trips to nz?
20:08 rangi it does now
20:09 cait ya
20:09 cait y
20:11 cait :)
20:12 cait wizzyrea: staff is ready for testing :)
20:12 wizzyrea k
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20:44 cait wizzyrea++
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20:46 jcamins_away Goodness! What a lot of activity from ByWaterians!
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20:50 cait hm?
20:51 jcamins_away cait: when I came back to my computer, there was a screen full of joins, parts, and nick changes from ByWaterians.
20:52 juan_sieira left #koha
20:52 cait ah
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20:54 jcamins_away Wow, that was fast signing off.
20:54 rangi kapow!
20:56 NateC joined #koha
20:56 rangi its married NateC
20:56 cait oh!
20:56 cait congratulations NateC
20:57 NateC It is I
20:57 NateC Thanks Cait
20:57 jcamins_away Congratulations, NateC!
20:57 rangi natec
20:57 NateC Hiya rangi and #koha
20:57 rangi hmm
20:57 NateC thanks jcamins
20:57 rangi natec?
20:57 wahanui I LIKE SPACE AND rangi's WIFE
20:57 rangi lol
20:57 rangi that totally didnt work right
20:57 NateC nice
20:57 jcamins_away natec?
20:57 wahanui I LIKE SPACE AND rangi's WIFE
20:57 cait ?
20:57 rangi i wrote
20:58 rangi i like space and my wife
20:58 rangi and it did that ;)
20:58 cait rofl
20:58 jcamins_away wahanui: forget natec
20:58 wahanui jcamins_away: I forgot natec
20:58 cait I think you have to escape it
20:58 jcamins_away wahanui: NateC is <reply>I LIKE SPACE AND MY WIFE
20:58 wahanui OK, jcamins_away.
20:58 jcamins_away natec?
20:58 wahanui I LIKE SPACE AND jcamins_away's WIFE
20:58 jcamins_away Nope.
20:58 jcamins_away wahanui: forget natec
20:58 wahanui jcamins_away: I forgot natec
20:58 cait NateC is <reply> I LIKE SPACE AND \MY WIFE
20:58 wahanui i already had it that way, cait.
20:59 rangi natec?
20:59 wahanui I LIKE SPACE AND MY WIFE
20:59 rangi :)
20:59 cait :)
20:59 wizzyrea lol you guys
20:59 bg Natec?
20:59 wahanui I LIKE SPACE AND MY WIFE
20:59 cait saw robin doing that... and that
20:59 cait germs?
20:59 wahanui Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world.
20:59 bg NateC?
20:59 wahanui I LIKE SPACE AND MY WIFE
21:00 rangi eythian++
21:00 druthb cait?
21:00 wahanui i heard cait was kf or a programmer or really sweet or a source of great chocolate or the purveyor of an infinite supply of virtual cookies or not sure we need the page(s)... but that might just be me
21:00 * druthb blinks.
21:00 cait rangi: meany
21:00 jcamins_away That's even better than mine!
21:01 * trea chuckles
21:01 druthb jcamins?
21:01 wahanui jcamins is supposed to be an outstanding cook. or well-traveled and brilliant. or trying to think of a solution, but short of a set of three sysprefs (ShelfBrowserUsesLocation, ShelfBrowserUsesCcode, and ShelfBrowserUsesHomeBranch), I don't really have any ideas. or awesome fixing broken email notifications or the wizard that forges queries in the deep fires of zebra
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21:01 * druthb blinks again.
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21:01 cait druthb?
21:01 wahanui druthb is a travelin' woman.
21:01 cait hm
21:01 druthb trea?
21:01 rangi melia?
21:01 * druthb pokes wahanui.
21:01 * wizzyrea giggles
21:01 jcamins_away Ooh, I'd forgotten about the end of that. Mine is pretty epic after all. :)
21:01 melia yes rangi?
21:01 * wizzyrea giggles more
21:01 druthb trea is the other half of the wizzyrea.
21:02 libsysguy looks like i wandered into some afternoon silliness
21:02 cait *giggles too*
21:02 wizzyrea that's not fair!
21:02 rangi melia: nothing, just seeing what the bot thinks about you ;)
21:02 rangi melia?
21:02 druthb wizzyrea?
21:02 rangi its funny cos its TRUE!!
21:02 druthb hmpf.
21:02 rangi :)
21:03 wizzyrea trea?
21:03 * wizzyrea nods
21:03 trea lulz
21:03 druthb wizzyrea?
21:03 wahanui wizzyrea is the other half of the trea
21:03 trea "better" half
21:03 druthb it appears that several of us are all PMing wahanui...poor thing will have a fit shortly.
21:04 cait hehe
21:04 cait wahanui botsnack baldrian
21:04 wahanui thanks cait :)
21:04 druthb talljoy?
21:04 wahanui I CRUNCH DATA
21:04 druthb lol
21:04 jcamins_away change something to what?
21:04 wahanui jcamins_away: that doesn't look right
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21:04 sekjal rangi:  feature freeze is coming up soon, isn't it?
21:04 rangi yup
21:04 rangi tomorrow
21:04 wahanui tomorrow is pizza friday!
21:04 cait very very soon
21:04 rangi your time
21:05 sekjal okay
21:05 rangi anything in the queue for signoff is fair game
21:05 sekjal I've got a couple last-minute enhancements we're testing internally, with hope of submission today/tomorrow
21:05 rangi get them submitted today or tomorrow and they will be in consideration for 3.6.0
21:05 druthb wahanui: botsnack valium
21:05 wahanui thanks druthb :)
21:06 sekjal cool
21:06 sekjal two features:  Novelist Select enhanced content, and in-house use recorded on checkin of unissued items
21:06 rangi ahh saw that
21:06 rangi novelist one
21:07 rangi yeah, those both sound like ones that should be fairly safe
21:09 * druthb hopes her itty bitty patch makes it a go-live soon that wants it.
21:09 sekjal druthb:  was that bug 6900
21:09 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6900 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, ruth, ASSIGNED , In XSLT, OPAC display of availability needs a line break when both loan and not-for-loan items present
21:09 sekjal ?
21:09 jcamins_away druthb: the one I just signed off on?
21:09 * libsysguy was hoping hourly would make it in too
21:10 druthb that's the one.
21:10 libsysguy but I don't think its going to happen
21:10 * jcamins_away hopes that bug 6800 makes it in.
21:10 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6800 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED , Koha authentication should handle proxies better
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21:11 jcamins_away Since no one else seems to use reverse proxies, getting it signed off is kind of tricky.
21:12 libsysguy maybe if i chant it...bug 5549 bug 5549 hehe
21:12 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5549 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED , Hourly Loans
21:13 jcamins_away libsysguy: does that work? If it does, maybe I should chant "bug 6800"... ;)
21:14 libsysguy i think we have to chant sekjal with the bug number
21:14 libsysguy perhaps he'll just become irritated and push us lol
21:14 cait hehe
21:15 cait sekjal humansnack cookies
21:15 sekjal I will try to take as many QA priority requests as I can in this next month
21:15 * druthb will be driving 650 miles this weekend, touching two towns that are both named "Columbia" along the way...
21:15 jcamins_away Well, rangi does the pushing. sekjal needs to pass us first. ;)
21:15 cait rangi: is srdjan in today?
21:15 libsysguy oh no we are like hot potatoes
21:15 cait perhaps he could fix the small problem on the acq bug I was testing this morning...
21:15 wizzyrea trea?
21:15 wahanui i heard trea was the support in the darkness. The watcher of the tickets. He is the fire that keeps errant cats happy, the light that brings code updates, the horn that wakes the devs, the shield that guards the realms of nerds.
21:15 rangi he works for catalyst australia
21:15 libsysguy and sekjal we should have some kind of voting system on koha-community lol
21:15 cait !
21:15 wizzyrea LOL
21:15 rangi its only 7.15am there
21:15 cait didn't know that
21:16 * druthb blinks.
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21:16 rangi so will be in an, in a a little bit
21:16 cait wow trea
21:16 sekjal libsysguy: yes
21:16 jcamins_away How poetic.
21:16 wizzyrea trea++
21:16 wizzyrea that's awesome
21:16 trea1 lol, yea. gotta love game of thrones
21:16 rangi heh
21:16 druthb gosh, I ain't nuffin up next to that!
21:17 * wizzyrea claims him. You can't have him!
21:17 libsysguy druthb we were talking about you today during lunch
21:17 sekjal I'd like to see a voting mechanism for the community
21:17 druthb ruh roh
21:17 druthb yes, libsysguy?
21:17 libsysguy we were all wondering when you were coming to visit us
21:17 wahanui somebody said libsysguy was Koha's hottest developer or partying with swedes on his deck
21:17 sekjal but that would require some kind of registration process
21:17 cait sekjal: voting for?
21:17 libsysguy sekjal true...can we just use open ID
21:17 druthb "all," libsysguy?
21:18 sekjal cait:  voting on anything anyone proposes
21:18 cait hm
21:18 sekjal somethign a little more official (and accessible) than IRC
21:18 cait we could use something like doodle
21:18 cait ah
21:18 libsysguy well...actually we just weren't going to tell you know who...we are all kind of hoping she'll stroke when you show up then we won't have to deal with her anymore
21:18 druthb libsysguy: lol.  I was wonderin'.  such a pity.   But at the moment, not sure when I'll be down that way.
21:19 libsysguy druthb: that is sad
21:19 libsysguy we'll set you up with all the WiFi you can use :)
21:19 cait :)
21:19 * cait giggles thinking about wifi and nz
21:20 * cait did a bus trip with a lot of internet addicted people
21:20 libsysguy that is me!!
21:20 melia hey, I signed off a patch (with Brendan's help)!
21:20 cait yay!
21:20 cait melia++ :)
21:20 libsysguy yay!!
21:20 bg yay!
21:20 libsysguy melia++
21:20 rangi melia++
21:20 trea1 \o/
21:20 trea1 is now known as trea
21:21 cait :)
21:21 druthb libsysguy:  If I come use your wifi, then you'll have to run me off eventually, so your problem child can come back to work.
21:21 sekjal alright, folks, been fun, but I've got to dash
21:21 sekjal have a great night
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21:21 libsysguy later sekjal
21:21 cait bye sekjal :)
21:21 cait hi eythian :)
21:21 libsysguy druthb: no you can just come replace her...we can put you on the payroll :)
21:21 * cait corrects that to mr robin
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21:22 rangi that was just his computer, hes not at his desk yet
21:22 cait hmpf :)
21:22 jcamins_away He's had some connectivity issues, I've noticed.
21:22 druthb hm...  let's tempted am I to leave ByWater and go work circ in a state where the legislature tried to erase my very existence....   nope, not very.
21:23 libsysguy sad day for libsysguy
21:23 libsysguy also...this made me giggle
21:23 rangi lol
21:24 druthb you wouldn't want me to come work there, libsysguy...the thing I'm most-qualified for is to replace *you.*   *evil grin*
21:24 * libsysguy runs and hides
21:25 libsysguy actually...they are going to need somebody when I leave next year
21:25 cait hehe
21:25 rangi someone is playing a mandolin in the office
21:25 cait druthb: how are german laws?
21:25 rangi i work with some random people
21:26 jcamins_away cait: so far as I know, mandolins are legal.
21:26 rangi lol
21:26 cait lol
21:29 druthb not sure, cait, but anyplace that *doesn't* have Rick Perry in the executive offices is better off than one that does.
21:29 druthb he and his cronies darn near took away my right to ever move back to TX and get married--and would revoke my birth certificate, if they could.
21:30 cait :(
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21:31 druthb it worries me greatly that he might become President.  Imma thinking ByWater needs to open a Pac Rim office, if that happens.
21:32 druthb ...or a Eurozone office...or a Martian office...somewhere far, far from here.
21:35 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: bug_6576: Submit when changing framework rather then reloading <[…]339fb877b11a79105>
21:37 rangi that was a nasty one
21:38 wizzyrea[…]player_embedded#!
21:38 wizzyrea because, well.
21:38 wizzyrea you'll see.
21:38 wizzyrea we need to make one for the ILS
21:38 wizzyrea in the library
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21:38 rangi oh yeah
21:38 jenkins_koha Starting build 419 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
21:39 druthb wizzyrea++
21:43 talljoy_away is now known as talljoy
21:46 wizzyrea i'm not sure I deserved karma for that but thanks
21:47 jcamins_away wizzyrea++
21:47 wizzyrea seriously guys
21:47 wizzyrea @karma
21:47 huginn wizzyrea: Highest karma: "rangi" (403), "oleonard" (320), and "gmcharlt" (263).  Lowest karma: "<!" (-107), "failed" (-67), and "-" (-37).  You (wizzyrea) are ranked 4 out of 1701.
21:48 wizzyrea that just aint right
21:48 wizzyrea @karma wizzyrea
21:48 huginn wizzyrea: Karma for "wizzyrea" has been increased 234 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 234.
21:48 druthb @most increased
21:48 huginn druthb: "rangi": 408, "oleonard": 325, "gmcharlt": 268, "wizzyrea": 234, "chris_n": 206, "nengard": 194, "cait": 164, "sekjal": 158, "druthb": 119, "paul_p": 113, "jcamins": 101, "slef": 98, "magnuse": 84, "kf": 76, "hdl_laptop": 60, "hdl": 59, "jwagner": 53, "eythian": 52, "biblibre": 46, "atz": 44, "thd": 42, "fredericd": 39, "pianohacker": 39, "larsw": 37, and "Colin": 29
21:48 wizzyrea there is no way I deserve to be above chris_n and sekjal.
21:48 wizzyrea chris_n++ sekjal++
21:49 wizzyrea kf++
21:49 wizzyrea cait++
21:49 cait huh?
21:49 jcamins_away Ooh, I've broken 100!
21:49 jcamins_away @karma jcamins_away
21:49 huginn jcamins_away: Karma for "jcamins_away" has been increased 7 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 7.
21:49 druthb I had been hoping to catch sekjal, but the blocks have gotten longer....
21:49 wizzyrea well you did that lovely thing to the opac
21:49 gmcharlt wizzyrea++
21:49 wizzyrea goldurnit.
21:49 jcamins_away @karma sekjal
21:49 huginn jcamins_away: Karma for "sekjal" has been increased 159 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 158.
21:50 cait hi gmcharlt :)
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21:53 jcamins_away MariaDB is pretty nifty looking.
21:53 rangi it should just drop in
21:54 rangi worth having a try with sometime
21:54 jcamins_away Does it support InnoDB?
21:54 rangi innodb sux
21:54 rangi tere
21:54 rangi there i said it
21:54 rangi ;)
21:54 gmcharlt but regardless, MariaDB does support it
21:54 jcamins_away rangi: but isn't that what we use in Koha?
21:55 rangi yup, in a lot of places we shouldnt
21:55 gmcharlt jcamins_away: chris_n did some poking around with mariadb a while back
21:55 gmcharlt the main thing is that mariadb by default enforces stricter SQL standards compliance than mysql does
21:55 gmcharlt so it would require a bit of patch for Koha to work on it
21:55 jcamins_away rangi: shouldn't we stop using InnoDB in those places, then?
21:56 rangi i think so
21:56 rangi places im thinking about
21:56 gmcharlt on the other hand, stricter SQL checking is a Good Thing
21:56 rangi is the statistics table
21:56 rangi sessions
21:56 cait oleonard++
21:56 rangi and a few others
21:57 jcamins_away We use InnoDB for sessions?
21:57 rangi we used to, we blanket converted everything
21:57 rangi i think a recent patch fixed sessions
21:58 gmcharlt my favorite storage engine for sessions is ... memcached ;)
21:58 * rangi looks
21:58 rangi yup, thts what i use too ;)
21:59 rangi DROP TABLE IF EXISTS sessions;
21:59 rangi CREATE TABLE sessions ( `id` varchar(32) NOT NULL, `a_session` text NOT NULL, UNIQUE KEY id (id)
21:59 rangi ) ENGINE=InnoDB DEFAULT CHARSET=utf8;
21:59 rangi nope we still use it
21:59 cait I think it was talked about on the mailing list recently
21:59 rangi zebraqueue is another one
21:59 rangi we dont have any foreign keys
21:59 rangi we arent doing transactions
22:00 rangi not winning anything except slow with innodb on that table
22:00 rangi when im not RM
22:00 rangi ill make myself a pest rejigging the database and getting it running on postgres at least as well as mysql
22:01 * jcamins_away didn't realize zebraqueue was InnoDB.
22:01 wizzyrea oh!
22:01 wizzyrea time to go!
22:01 wizzyrea later peps
22:01 rangi take a look at kohastructure.sql jcamins_away
22:01 rangi pretty much everything is
22:02 rangi cya wizzyrea
22:02 jcamins_away rangi: yeah, unless you're me, and decided to change zebraqueue to MyISAM.
22:02 jcamins_away And sessions.
22:02 jcamins_away Seems to work fine.
22:02 rangi yup
22:02 jcamins_away I don't even remember doing that, but my DB's been around the block a few times.
22:04 jcamins_away Some time I should take a look, see if I've been using MyISAM for any other tables.
22:06 rangi :)
22:06 cait wizzyrea: bye :)
22:06 jcamins_away I should also figure out if I have any custom indexes.
22:07 cait rangi: does your rejigging involve getting rid of all thos eunused columns?
22:07 rangi yup
22:07 cait rangi: or more consistent use of datatypes?
22:07 rangi seems like the perfect opportunity
22:07 * cait agrees
22:07 rangi and reserved names
22:07 rangi so we dont have to backtick things
22:07 * cait nods
22:08 * rangi looks forward to breaking everything
22:08 cait hehe
22:08 cait we will fix things
22:08 cait after you break them
22:08 cait only fair
22:08 jcamins_away And by "we," cait means "you." :P
22:08 rangi heh
22:08 cait no
22:08 cait she doesn't!
22:09 cait :)
22:09 cait but i would appreciate someone fixing 6881
22:09 cait bug 6881
22:09 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6881 critical, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW , Can't accept suggestions
22:09 cait although I am a bit scared git blame will blame me
22:10 rangi ahh
22:10 rangi i might get a chance to look a tthat today
22:11 cait i was in there doing template changes recently
22:11 * cait confesses now
22:12 cait and before i get myself into more trouble...
22:12 cait i should go to bed :)
22:12 cait bye #koha :)
22:18 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6900 - line break between available and reference items <[…]01f47c497e22e6fd3> / Bug 6360 - add some more sounds to some happenings on returns <[…]82f14e66471b3ec98>
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22:27 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #419: SUCCESS in 48 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/419/
22:27 jenkins_koha srdjan: bug_6576: Submit when changing framework rather then reloading
22:27 jenkins_koha Starting build 420 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
22:33 rangi hmm it was cait :)
22:33 rangi nvm, fixed now
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22:46 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6881] Can't accept suggestions <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6881>
22:47 rangi i think that holds the record for my smallest patch eve
22:47 rangi r
22:47 rangi :)
22:48 gmcharlt it's figuring out where to aim the hammer ...
22:48 rangi :)
22:50 jcamins_away rangi: eythian is the person to talk to about the nagios plugins for Koha?
22:50 eythian yep
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22:50 jcamins_away eythian: good morning.
22:50 eythian hiya
22:52 jcamins_away eythian: so, any chance I could persuade you to share those plugins?
22:52 eythian of course, one moment
22:52 jcamins_away eythian++
22:54 eythian[…]refs/heads/nagios <-- jcamins_away, all the code is in nagios/, and the branch name is nagios.
22:54 jcamins_away Cool!
22:54 jcamins_away Thanks!
22:55 eythian It doesn't understand the packages, as I did it for a client who isn't yet using them, but it's been on my todo for a while to make it hook into them and be a bit smarter.
22:55 jcamins_away There's even a readme! Awesome!
22:55 eythian But that's hopefully enough for you to get going.
22:55 eythian :)
22:55 jcamins_away Yup.
22:55 jcamins_away This leaves only one more technical issue that I haven't figured out.
22:55 jcamins_away :)
22:55 jcamins_away Well, that I haven't cribbed a solution to off of you.
22:55 eythian what's that?
22:55 eythian heh
22:55 * jcamins_away takes lots of credit for cribbing all your solutions.
22:56 eythian I'm OK with that ;)
22:56 jcamins_away When I need to do upgrades for my two small clients on different days.
22:56 eythian beer is a suitable trade :)
22:56 eythian on the same machine?
22:56 jcamins_away Right.
22:57 eythian we don't do that, we schedule a time to do it all at once.
22:57 jcamins_away Using the packages makes it so much easier to manage the server, and upgrades are a snap, but I encountered a situation where I have to do one upgrade one week, and the other the next week
22:57 jcamins_away I went with the "move client B to a spare server temporarily" option.
22:58 eythian yeah, that's probably the easiest way.
22:58 jcamins_away But I'm not sure I'd raise that to the level of "solution." More like "work-around."
22:58 eythian at least a koha-dump/koha-restore should take care of it quickly.
22:59 eythian Yeah, having multiple versions of packages at the same time is very difficult, and not something I'd like to have to support.
22:59 jcamins_away Yeah, and these are tiny installations.
23:00 eythian hmm, I just noticed the nrpe_local.cfg is empty
23:00 eythian I wonder what happened there.
23:00 jcamins_away I'm thinking the way to automate it would be to have a separate chroot jail for the system that gets upgraded first, then once the other is ready, switch it back to the main root.
23:00 * eythian goes and grabs a copy from the server.
23:01 eythian that's an option, although not too different from having another server really.
23:02 jcamins_away Yeah, but with the difference that I could probably script it all, whereas I don't have the ability to script a move between servers.
23:02 eythian ah right
23:02 eythian good point
23:02 jcamins_away (not saying it couldn't be done, just that I couldn't do it)
23:10 jcamins_away But, anyway, you don't have any suggestions for how to do it other than the alternate server/chroot/vm option, correct?
23:14 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #420: SUCCESS in 47 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/420/
23:14 jenkins_koha * robin: Bug 6360 - add some more sounds to some happenings on returns
23:14 jenkins_koha * ruth: Bug 6900 - line break between available and reference items
23:14 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6360 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, ASSIGNED , all messages on checkin should have sounds if soundson
23:14 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6900 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, ruth, ASSIGNED , In XSLT, OPAC display of availability needs a line break when both loan and not-for-loan items present
23:15 eythian jcamins_away: not really I'm afraid.
23:16 jcamins_away eythian: I didn't really expect you to have an answer, though you have had answers for every other technical difficulty that presented itself... thanks for thinking about it. :)
23:16 jcamins_away eythian++ # for solving problems
23:16 eythian heh :) if I really had to do it, I'd probably chuck a git checkout onto it and run from that for the week
23:18 jcamins_away Hm. I guess that would probably make more sense.
23:20 jcamins_away Just change the paths in koha-conf.xml and the Apache conf file.
23:20 jcamins_away Even easier than a chroot. Cool!
23:28 eythian yeah
23:35 eythian oh, my kohacon flying-home time has changed, so I don't have to be up at godawful in the morning the day after the conference.
23:35 eythian that's good
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23:53 jcamins_away eythian: check to make sure they didn't move the second leg to the next day.
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23:55 eythian jcamins_away: no, it ends up I leave about 4 hours later, and arrive here about 2 hours later.
23:56 eythian a net gain really
23:57 jcamins_away Very nice.
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