Time  Nick           Message
00:00 eythian        jcamins: sorry, bad phrasing: I've never known it to not allow imports from Z39.50 because of missing authorities, but I've never explicitly tried that either
00:00 jcamins        Ah. Right.
00:00 jcamins        lastnode: no, it's a good question.
00:00 jcamins        The idea is to disambiguate names.
00:00 eythian        lastnode: look at data from a system that's a few years old without them, and you'll see what they're for :)
00:01 eythian        It reduces typos, bundles a bunch of information together in one place, and allows it to be updated centrally.
00:01 lastnode       gotcha. so is there any way i can generaet authorities from teh records i already have in the db
00:01 lastnode       or do i have to do it manually?
00:01 eythian        I don't know, tbh. I wouldn't be surprised to find there's a way to do it.
00:01 rangi          id check they  dont have them first
00:02 rangi          if you have the syspref it will be creating them for you when you save
00:02 lastnode       what is the syspref?
00:02 rangi          cant remember
00:02 rangi          go look for one around authorities ;)
00:02 eythian        BiblioAddsAuthorities
00:02 wahanui        well, BiblioAddsAuthorities is a syspref, under Authorities
00:03 lastnode       it is set to Dont allow by default?
00:03 eythian        no wahanui, BiblioAddsAuthorities is a syspref that lets authorities be created automagically when you add a record.
00:03 wahanui        okay, eythian.
00:03 lastnode       bc i didnt change that syspref.
00:03 eythian        Have a look to see what it's set to now, and you'll know.
00:03 lastnode       it's set to dont allow
00:04 lastnode       :(
00:04 eythian        (I think it's off by default, but I never trust anyone who says "I didn't touch that!" :)
00:04 lastnode       haha
00:04 lastnode       ok so now that i have 100+ records with no authorities added
00:04 lastnode       will turning this on and editing all of them, add authorities?
00:04 rangi          youve done an authority search eh
00:04 rangi          and tested that they dont exist?
00:04 lastnode       yes rangi
00:04 lastnode       im searching for author names
00:06 lastnode       so eythian BiblioAddsAuthorities ive set it to allow
00:07 lastnode       will editing the records i have auto add records now?that seems to be what this option does, but just watn to make sure
00:07 eythian        I don't know for sure, but it seems plausible.
00:07 rangi          dunno if it does on edit
00:07 rangi          try it and see
00:08 lastnode       k done
00:08 * lastnode     waits for the zebra_rebuild
00:10 eythian        http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/git.koha-community.org :<
00:10 rangi          hmm it was up this morning i was pushing to it
00:10 eythian        so, you broke it then?
00:10 rangi          the mirror is up to date
00:11 rangi          naw i think its a vm thats pants
00:11 rangi          http://repo.or.cz/w/koha.git
00:11 rangi          all up to date
00:12 jcamins        I think it's probably time for ByWater to upgrade that server. It's been down an awful lot lately.
00:12 rangi          seems to lock up hard
00:13 rangi          like i can ssh to it hard
00:13 rangi          can=cant
00:13 rangi          i wonder if something is dossing it
00:13 rangi          or making it go OOM some other way
00:14 jcamins        Could be.
00:14 jcamins        Shari's home, with tomato sauce, so it's time for pizza!
00:14 jcamins        Good night, #koha
00:14 rangi          cya jcamins_away
00:14 eythian        cya
00:15 eythian        I wonder if it's possible to point a URL to gitorius. That would also give us the features it has, too.
00:16 rangi          its easy enough to set up a cron to mirror on gitorious
00:16 rangi          i did it for months
00:16 rangi          https://gitorious.org/koha
00:18 rangi          i could start that going again
00:19 rangi          https://gitorious.org/koha/mainline/commits/master stopped in about june
00:19 lastnode       yes, friends, that administrative setting did it
00:20 lastnode       is tehre anyway to automate the edit of 100 records so authorities are added?
00:21 rangi          probably, but would involve some coding
00:21 lastnode       also, apart from personal name, are there other authorities i should be worried about?
00:21 rangi          subjects
00:21 rangi          and genres
00:22 lastnode       ok
00:22 lastnode       let's hope those are imported now as well
00:22 * lastnode     edits harry potter and the philosopher's stone and waits for zebra to do its thing
00:23 lastnode       rangi: if you dont mind, could you refresh my memory (i asked this question before). to restore a koha-dumped sql/tar file, do i need to koha-create first?
00:23 rangi          dunno
00:24 lastnode       say i have exported teh 'foobar' koha install from one server. to createit on the other
00:24 lastnode       do i need to koha-create foobar then koha-restore foobar.sql.gz foobar.tar.gz
00:24 rangi          dunno
00:24 lastnode       hrm, ok
00:25 lastnode       i recall you knowing the procedure, maybe im mistaken. my bad :)
00:25 rangi          i suspect not
00:25 rangi          i think you only need to create if you are just restoring the db
00:25 eythian        lastnode: no
00:25 rangi          from a mysqldump
00:25 eythian        koha-restore I think will do the create for you
00:26 lastnode       ok
00:26 lastnode       thank you
00:27 lastnode       i have to move koha from my vps to a school server bc school decided they dont want to pay for a vps
00:27 lastnode       thus koha will only be accesible on LAN, but nvm, baby steps :)
00:28 eythian        :)
00:28 lastnode       how often does zebra-rebuild run by default? (cron)
00:29 eythian        15 minutes
00:29 lastnode       gotcha
00:31 lastnode       eythian: next to personal name, what does the RLIN field do?
00:31 eythian        I think it's the field that holds a reference to the actual authority record, or something along those lines.
00:37 lastnode       hmm editing records dont seem to be adding authorities now, posibly due to RLINvalue conflict, though im not being given an error. ive rebuilt zebra but the authorities of teh recrods i edited still dont show
00:37 * lastnode     waits for the cron to run anyway
00:38 lastnode       i used koha-rebuild-zebra
00:38 eythian        if you run it with -v it tells you more about what's happening.
00:39 lastnode       eythian: think i need the full path? koha-rebuild-zebra -v gave me nothing
00:40 eythian        what about with --full
00:40 eythian        it'll only do something if there's something to do
00:46 lastnode       eythian: so the authorities (personal name) are added for some records when i edit, and for others no. even though all of the ones im editing have Personal Name
00:46 lastnode       any idea why?
00:47 lastnode       robert jordan got added twice, for one biblio item
00:52 lastnode       ok it looks like koha-rebuild wasnt just rebuilding for me
00:52 lastnode       the cron did it
00:59 lastnode       thanks eythian rangi
01:00 lastnode       eythian++
01:00 lastnode       rangi++
01:27 huginn         New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5533] marking item lost diff in two places <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5533>
02:14 rangi          hmm bug 6891
02:14 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6891 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , LDIF interoperability - a proposal
02:26 eythian        initial India visa form filled out. That was a terrible task.
02:26 rangi          sekjal++
02:26 rangi          http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/
02:26 rangi          im assuming it was he
03:07 huginn         New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6679 : fix 3 perl::critic warnings <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6200d4ae21a6e780fe221d0f873395f5d60c063c> / Bug 6679 Followup for acqui/histsearch.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=fae07abcc69e430c84f7b4f3241c1fe21e7bd5ab> / Bug 6679 Fix scripts in admin & acqui to pass Perl::Critic <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7cde
03:08 jenkins_koha   Starting build 47 for job Koha_3.4.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
03:08 jenkins_koha   Starting build 418 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED)
03:51 rangi          i love git diff word-diff=color
03:54 rangi          and now it works
03:55 rangi          you there bg?
03:57 bg             I am
03:57 rangi          yay finally
03:58 rangi          :)
03:58 bg             sweet
03:58 bg             just in time to sleep ;)
03:58 rangi          heh
03:58 bg             it only took them four hours to reboot the wrieless
03:58 bg             I even told them I'd unplug it for them
03:59 rangi          heh
04:01 huginn         New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6679] Fixing code so it passes basic Perl::Critic tests <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6679>
04:15 bg             AHHHH  so nice to be back
04:28 cait           good morning #koha
04:28 eythian        hi cait
04:28 cait           hi :)
04:29 rangi          hi cait
04:29 cait           and hi rangi :)
04:32 cait           @wunder konstanz
04:32 huginn         cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 6.9�C (6:29 AM CEST on September 21, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Windchill: 7.0�C. Pressure: 30.19 in 1022.2 hPa (Steady).
04:34 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_3.4.x build #47: SUCCESS in 1 h 25 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.4.x/47/
04:34 jenkins_koha   * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing
04:34 jenkins_koha   * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing
04:34 jenkins_koha   * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing
04:34 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6458 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, ASSIGNED , incorrect parsing result in translation processing
04:34 jenkins_koha   * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing
04:34 jenkins_koha   * srdjan: bug_6318: Always give predefined fields drop downs on label layout edit
04:40 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_master build #418: SUCCESS in 1 h 32 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/418/
04:40 jenkins_koha   * srdjan: bug_6318: Always give predefined fields drop downs on label layout edit
04:40 jenkins_koha   * magnus: Bug 4877 [ENH] Use DocBook for koha-common manual pages
04:40 jenkins_koha   * robin: Bug 4877 [ENH] [SIGNED-OFF] install generated man pages with build process
04:40 jenkins_koha   * Chris Cormack: Bug 5675 : CheckReserves not honouring item level itemtypes preferences
04:40 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4877 enhancement, P4, ---, magnus, NEW , koha-* scripts have no manual pages
04:40 jenkins_koha   * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6766 - Template variable scope errors in holds template
04:40 jenkins_koha   * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6842 - Branch transfer limits broken
04:40 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5675 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, NEW , Returned items always trigger hold notification
04:40 jenkins_koha   * ian.walls: Enh 6887: Add 'checked out from' column to issued items display tables
04:40 jenkins_koha   * Chris Cormack: Bug 6679 Fix scripts in admin & acqui to pass Perl::Critic
04:40 jenkins_koha   * f.demians: Bug 6679 Followup for acqui/histsearch.pl
04:40 jenkins_koha   * maxime.pelletier: Bug 6679 : fix 3 perl::critic warnings
04:40 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6766 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Template variable scope errors in holds template
04:40 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6842 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Branch transfer limits broken
04:40 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6679 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Fixing code so it passes basic Perl::Critic tests
04:44 cait           oh someone's busy :)
06:45 cait           hi hdl
06:47 hdl1           hi Callender
06:47 hdl            hi cait
06:47 hdl            hi all
06:48 reiveune       hi
06:48 wahanui        hola, reiveune
07:25 kf             good morning #koha :)
07:28 reiveune       re-hi
07:28 kf             hi reiveune
07:28 reiveune       :)
07:29 kf             :)
07:33 francharb      hello all
07:34 kf             hi francharb
07:34 francharb      hi kf
07:53 kf             hi sophie_m :)
07:53 sophie_m       Guten Morgen kf :-)
07:57 rangi          back
07:59 kf             wb rangi
08:00 rangi          thanks
09:05 Oak            kia ora #koha
09:05 Oak            kf
09:12 kf             hi Oak :)
09:12 Oak            :)
09:56 kf             @later tell wizzyrea: something seems to be wrong with http://koha-community.org/about/history/ - check for the smileys to see what I mean
09:56 huginn         kf: The operation succeeded.
09:57 rangi          it hasnt been updated for a while too
09:59 kf             it has double entries
10:00 kf             rangi: is it possible to configure the standard result list for bugzilla?
10:00 kf             I keep adding patch status to all and every search, perhaps we could make it a defualt?
10:00 kf             could replace priority
10:01 rangi          not that i know of there isnt
10:01 rangi          i removed the double entries, its still a year out of date
10:02 kf             ok
10:06 kf             @later tell wizzyrea: rangi repaired it but an update would be cool :)
10:06 huginn         kf: The operation succeeded.
10:06 kf             hm
10:06 kf             @later tell wizzyrea rangi repaird it but an update would be cool :)
10:06 huginn         kf: The operation succeeded.
10:07 rangi          you spelt it right the first time
10:07 rangi          @later tell wizzyrea kf can't spell tonight
10:07 huginn         rangi: The operation succeeded.
10:08 kf             there was a :
10:08 kf             was not sure if he will like that or look for a wizzyrea:
10:09 rangi          @later tell wizzyrea and she uses excess punctuation
10:09 huginn         rangi: The operation succeeded.
10:09 kf             @later tell wizzyrea and rangi can't read :P
10:09 huginn         kf: The operation succeeded.
10:09 rangi          thats gonna confuse her in the morning ;)
10:09 kf             hehe
10:09 rangi          repaird  :P
10:09 kf             oh
10:09 kf             hmpf
10:10 kf             she will understand
10:10 rangi          :)
10:10 rangi          she'll probably read the log anyway
10:13 kf             yep and shake her head at us
11:08 kf             @wunder Konstanz
11:08 huginn         kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 16.0�C (1:00 PM CEST on September 21, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 30.17 in 1022 hPa (Falling).
12:19 nengard        hello #koha, i'm looking for a bug I thought I reported (that is fixed I think) where values aren't showing in the statistics wizards
12:20 oleonard       Yeah, I thought I fixed that
12:21 oleonard       Bug 6640
12:21 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6640 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Template errors in defining default variable values causes information not to be displayed
12:22 oleonard       Bug 6493 may sound more familiar
12:22 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6493 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, Circulation Stats Wizard row contains no values
12:28 oleonard       nengard: I thought the point of Bug 5874 was that you were *supposed* to have reports permission to access the overdues report.
12:28 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5874 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, Overdue report : Limit by date & add a new permission to restrict who can run the report
12:29 nengard        oleonard 6493 is it!
12:30 nengard        oleonard, i don't think so on bug 5874 - i thought cic reports were on the circ page so that they were accessible to those with circ permissions without giving them report permissions
12:30 oleonard       6493 describes the symptoms of the problem, but 6640 deals with the root cause
12:30 nengard        i have a few libraries who see it as a big bug
12:31 oleonard       nengard: I'm just pointing out that someone filed 5874 because they thought it should work that way. So technically the bug is resolved, because it does what it set out to do.
12:31 nengard        got it
12:31 nengard        now - did i report a bug to say that i thought it was a bug? i thought I did - but I'm so damn fuzzy and my search skills seem to be lacking right now
12:34 kf             hm
12:34 kf             i want to sqash the 3 latest commits on a branch into one patch
12:35 kf             but I have problems getting the syntax right
12:36 kf             git rebase -i HEAD^^^ did it :)
12:39 nengard        :)
14:06 wizzyrea       mornin
14:07 wizzyrea       cait I'm confused about my laters :P
14:07 wizzyrea       what does it mean?
14:08 oleonard       laters?
14:08 wizzyrea       oh, never mind. The crucial first @later didn't come through!
14:09 oleonard       Oh, @laters
14:09 wizzyrea       ^^ that
14:10 druthb         Puzzler re: Diacritics and labels--if you export in PDF, diacritics get mangled.  Anyone seen this?  There aren't any bugs in BZ about labels specifically.
14:10 oleonard       laters are like the IRC equivalent of getting snail mail. So exciting.
14:10 oleonard       druthb: I think it's a known bug
14:10 wizzyrea       druthb: that is well known to NEKLS owners of pokémon
14:10 wizzyrea       they just know to do those labels manually
14:11 oleonard       I've heard chris_n rant before about the impossibility of getting PDFs to play nice with diacritics
14:11 wizzyrea       ^^
14:11 druthb         Bug 2629 points at problems with searching diacritics, but there doesn't seem to be one about printing labels.
14:11 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2629 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Diacritics not being ignored when searching
14:12 wizzyrea       I think that there may not be an official bug for it, but I know chris_n is aware of the issue
14:12 wizzyrea       and like I said, our libraries just know to make that label manually
14:12 wizzyrea       ping chris_n
14:13 druthb         hm...just as a placeholder, I think I'll open a bug to it, so I can link to it from our tracker; we've got a couple of places reporting this one.
14:13 wizzyrea       yes, definitely, I will confirm that bug.
14:14 wizzyrea       who wants to go with me testing on 553
14:14 wizzyrea       bug 5533
14:14 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5533 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , marking item lost diff in two places
14:14 druthb         wizzyrea++ ;  I confirmed what my new ticket was seeing by testing it on your site.  ^.^
14:15 wizzyrea       woohoo!
14:17 druthb         Bug 6899 added
14:17 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6899 normal, P5, ---, cnighswonger, NEW , Diacritics do not export to PDF correctly
14:21 oleonard       chris_n will probably mark that "wontfix because it is unpossible"
14:22 druthb         If the bug is in PDF::Reuse, that's one thing.  There's one line in C4::Creators::PDF that talks about utf8, and it's conditional; I tried making it unconditional, but that didn't change anything.
14:25 druthb         my_searching_skills--
14:25 druthb         Bug 6899 is a duplicate of Bug 2246.
14:25 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6899 normal, P5, ---, cnighswonger, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, Diacritics do not export to PDF correctly
14:25 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2246 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, cnighswonger, NEW , Label printing doesn't work with Unicode characters
14:25 wizzyrea       oh snap that's old
14:25 kf             hehe
14:26 kf             yep
14:26 kf             and not really solvable with pdf it seems
14:26 * kf           waves
14:26 wizzyrea       is this a library that does a lot of stuff with diacritics?
14:27 kf             wizzyrea: I notices some entries on the history page were doubled up, left you a later, chris corrected, noticed it's over a year old... and chris started teasing me about my typos
14:27 wizzyrea       is it actually really utterly burdensome to do the labels manually?
14:27 wizzyrea       our libraries don't really feel that it is
14:27 wizzyrea       at least, I haven't heard complaints
14:27 druthb         For a site with very, very large foreign-language collections--such as the one I'm wrangling right now--it'd be really a problem.
14:27 kf             depends on the library I guess
14:27 kf             I thin it was discussed to do a html version
14:28 * oleonard     was wondering yesterday whether it was possible to automate the creation of ODF files
14:28 kf             as a way to make all things print correctly
14:28 sekjal         hi, all
14:28 kf             instead of using pdf
14:28 wizzyrea       hi sekjal
14:28 kf             sekjal will now perhap
14:28 kf             know
14:28 wizzyrea       :D
14:28 sekjal         oh, dear
14:28 sekjal         know what?
14:28 oleonard       The answer
14:28 wahanui        the answer is always go back to sleep
14:28 kf             label printing with diacritics
14:28 oleonard       Nice one wahanui
14:28 wizzyrea       ^^
14:28 kf             and plans to resolve the unicode/pdf problem :)
14:29 sekjal         ah, for that we need HTML label format.  then the browser/OS can handle the Print to PDF part
14:29 wizzyrea       well there is a facility for getting the data out in CSV, they could do a mail merge
14:29 sekjal         since the open tools for PDF creation are... limited
14:29 wizzyrea       it's not quite a perfect workflow
14:29 wizzyrea       but it would work
14:29 sekjal         chris_n has a branch-in-progress for HTML label export, but it's not quite operational yet
14:29 sekjal         last estimate he had, I believe, was another 40-50 hrs work
14:30 wizzyrea       urf
14:31 kf             urf
14:35 sekjal         if I knew a bit more about OO Perl, I may be able to throw some effort at it, but at this point, it'd probably take me twice as long as chris_n to do anything helpful
14:36 * oleonard     wonders what chris_n is up to these days
14:48 kf             jcamins_away: around?
14:56 slef           fun fun fun
14:56 slef           hi all
14:57 sekjal         hi slef
14:57 sekjal         are there any special considerations I have to put into place to allow holds on 'On Order' materials?
14:58 sekjal         using current master
14:58 wizzyrea       oo
14:58 wizzyrea       we have maybe some docs on that sekjal
14:58 wizzyrea       sec
14:58 sekjal         thx
14:58 oleonard       ...something I should know.
14:58 wizzyrea       http://www.nexpresslibrary.org/best-practices-for-cataloging-on-order-items/
14:59 wizzyrea       now, that's not going to be current master
15:00 wizzyrea       but, could probably be adapted.
15:00 wizzyrea       it's the way we're using it now
15:00 wizzyrea       iirc
15:01 sekjal         ok
15:01 sekjal         will read
15:01 sekjal         also working on a more robust patch for 6673.... too much multitasking!
15:01 wizzyrea       :)
15:01 oleonard       wizzyrea: What's the authorized value for "Ordered?" With us it's -1. I think it has to be negative to allow holds.
15:02 * wizzyrea     will look
15:02 oleonard       sekjal: Please let me know if there's anything I can do to help with 6673
15:03 wizzyrea       ours is -1 as well
15:04 sekjal         oleonard:  have you read my updates from last night?
15:05 oleonard       Yes. I never test using the KohaAdmin account though.
15:06 wizzyrea       I'm amazed that my catalogers haven't noticed this.
15:06 sekjal         hmmmm
15:06 sekjal         you'll get the error message in two cases
15:06 sekjal         (okay, maybe more)
15:06 wizzyrea       but their workflow is on existing added items, nothing in the repository
15:06 sekjal         if the new batch cannot be created, or if any of the items cannot be added to it
15:06 sekjal         the new batch cannot be created if the branchcode is improperly set
15:07 sekjal         the items cannot be added if the import had duplicate barcodes
15:07 sekjal         or if the import was reverted
15:14 sekjal         okay, updated my patch on 6673 to remove all weird usage of LoginBranchname
15:16 oleonard       So what Koha consortia "charging their librarians multi-thousand dollar extraction
15:16 oleonard       fees just to get their own data out!" ?
15:17 wizzyrea       !!!
15:17 wizzyrea       where did you see this?
15:17 oleonard       bug 6891
15:17 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6891 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , LDIF interoperability - a proposal
15:19 wizzyrea       well migrations from proprietary systems do cost money to complete?
15:20 wizzyrea       i mean someones gotta wrangle that data into shape
15:20 wizzyrea       and presumably they are paid to do it
15:20 wizzyrea       NEKLS absorbs a lot of that cost for our members, but it does cost us to do, no matter the ILS
15:21 sekjal         yeah, I'm going to have to call for a "cite source" on that remark
15:21 wizzyrea       but
15:21 wizzyrea       a couple thousand bucks simply to extract the data?
15:21 wizzyrea       that seems a bit much.
15:22 wizzyrea       my guess is he misunderstands what they're paying for.
15:22 wizzyrea       (and it's possible the customer doesn't know either due to bad communication from the consortia)
15:22 sekjal         maybe
15:23 wizzyrea       I can certainly see how it would *appear* to a member library that the only work done with the library was when we come in and extract the data
15:23 sekjal         probably not worth getting in a lather over
15:23 wizzyrea       what they don't see is all the hours spent analyzing and refining the data to fit into a consortial system.
15:23 wizzyrea       yea, I don't think so either.
15:24 wizzyrea       a common format would certainly help with the hours spent analyzing and massaging, though.
15:24 gmcharlt       format*s*
15:25 wizzyrea       formats ;)
15:25 gmcharlt       but that's just my preference for a set of small formats that each do their thing well rather than a huge unitary one
15:25 wizzyrea       a common way of denoting fines and statistics would be most welcome.
15:32 nengard        i'm having bug searching trouble today - my librarain skills are broken on drugs apparently - can anyone tell me if there is a bug report for the fact that you can't place holds on items that are on order? i know you used to, but now it seems to be controled by allowing on shelf holds and i wanted to update the bug report
15:32 * oleonard     was not aware that it was broken
15:34 * wizzyrea     either
15:35 nengard        if you have allowonshelfholds off you can't place a hold on an ordered item
15:35 nengard        apparently ?
15:36 * chris_n      realizes he was the topic of conversation this morning :-)
15:36 wizzyrea       that seems logical to me
15:36 wizzyrea       the ordered item is 'on the shelf'
15:36 wizzyrea       the solution would be to check out the item to cataloging
15:36 wizzyrea       then people could place holds on it
15:36 oleonard       chris_n: I thought that's what you materialized. We said your name too darn many times.
15:37 wizzyrea       not a bug, imo
15:37 chris_n        hehe
15:37 reiveune       bye*
15:37 wizzyrea       hello and goodbye
15:37 gmcharlt       just with much happier results as compared to saying "hastur" three times
15:37 chris_n        HTML labels is very doable
15:37 * wizzyrea     doesn't try it
15:38 chris_n        I got into it and then suddenly ran out of time
15:38 wizzyrea       I love hearing things are doable
15:39 gmcharlt       wizzyrea: would be a reasonable enhancement, though - think of renaming the AllowOnShelfHolds syspref to AllowHoldsOnAvailableItems
15:39 * chris_n      loves hearing he has more time :-)
15:39 sekjal         gmcharlt:  "available" is not clearly defined in Koha, unfortunately
15:39 wizzyrea       ^^
15:40 sekjal         and I think it would be to contextualized:  available for loan, available for use, available for holds, etc
15:40 gmcharlt       sekjal: but the concept behind the renaming stands
15:40 wizzyrea       you're both right :)
15:41 wizzyrea       well... an on order item technically is only available for reserves.
15:41 * wizzyrea     sits down and shuts up.
15:44 sekjal         AllowOnOrderHolds?
15:44 wizzyrea       ^^
15:44 sekjal         but "on order" is controlled by the data, not by any explicit coding
15:44 sekjal         that is, by current convention, notforloan == -1
15:44 huginn         New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6875] de-nesting C4 packages <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6875>
15:45 sekjal         and a library may or may not actually have that authorized value in their system
15:50 gmcharlt       sekjal: which arguably ought to be buttoned up a bit so that code can count on knowing if an item is on order or not
16:00 * wizzyrea     curses the yui buttons
16:00 wizzyrea       makes selenium tests harder.
16:01 * druthb       wonders if there's someone around who can give signoff to my teeny XSLT patch on Bug 6900.  It's working on a test server for me, but there might be a better way to do that.
16:01 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6900 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, ruth, ASSIGNED , In XSLT, OPAC display of availability needs a line break when both loan and not-for-loan items present
16:02 jcamins_away   druthb: I got it.
16:02 druthb         jcamins++
16:02 druthb         thanx!
16:03 jcamins_away   Wow, I just submitted and fixed bug 6800 a few weeks ago.
16:03 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6800 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED , Koha authentication should handle proxies better
16:03 jcamins_away   There sure are a lot of bugs reported.
16:04 sekjal         lots of Koha users
16:04 jcamins_away   Yup.
16:04 jcamins_away   I'm not saying that's a bad thing, just being impressed.
16:07 huginn         New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6900] In XSLT, OPAC display of availability needs a line break when both loan and not-for-loan items present <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6900>
16:11 jcamins_away   druthb: it might be nice to have the word "Copies" lining up on the two lines, but it's definitely an improvement.
16:11 jcamins_away   Signing off.
16:11 wahanui        signing off is a great idea!
16:12 oleonard       all the cool kids are doing it
16:12 druthb         Hm.  on my screen, they *do* line up.
16:12 jcamins_away   Really?
16:13 jcamins_away   I'm talking about horizontally.
16:13 wizzyrea       oleonard: i'm poking at the search patch
16:13 wizzyrea       i'm still not clear on what attributes we should be able to search by
16:13 * wizzyrea     will roll it back and try searching for my attribute of "tabby" in additional attributes
16:14 wizzyrea       never mind, I found it
16:26 kf             jcamins_away: have a minute?
16:26 kf             i am stuck on an xslt problem
16:27 kf             what am I doing wrong here? :( http://paste.koha-community.org/50
16:28 jcamins_away   kf: I do.
16:28 kf             Language: ; ; <result
16:28 kf             marc: =041  0\$alat$aang$asga
16:29 kf             :)
16:29 wizzyrea       nengard: I'm not quite done with this yet
16:29 wizzyrea       http://koha-community.org/documentation/
16:29 wizzyrea       but
16:29 wizzyrea       better.
16:29 jcamins_away   Ooh, nifty feature.
16:30 jcamins_away   Try xsl:when test="text() = 'ang'" etc.
16:31 kf             hm
16:31 kf             not sure this is the problem
16:31 kf             I had it working with this check for one language code
16:32 kf             but the repeated ...
16:32 kf             grr
16:33 kf             oh
16:33 jcamins_away   Yes, for-each changes the scope.
16:33 kf             jcamins_away++++ :)
16:33 kf             thd
16:33 kf             thx
16:34 wizzyrea       documentation?
16:34 wahanui        i heard documentation was at http://koha-community.org/documentation/
16:34 wizzyrea       documentation/
16:34 wizzyrea       documentation?
16:34 wahanui        hmmm... documentation is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/
16:34 wizzyrea       documentation?
16:34 wahanui        i heard documentation was at http://koha-community.org/documentation/
16:34 * wizzyrea     is impatient
16:34 kf             hah! Language: Latin; German, Old High (ca. 750-1050)
16:48 oleonard       Oh sekjal, didn't realize you'd left. I guess my PMs disappeared into the ether.
16:49 * oleonard     looks disapprovingly at his chat client
16:49 sekjal         oleonard:  sorry, my wifi connection was terminated, so I had to relocate
17:39 wizzyrea       cait, can you gurn off the analytics view in the OPAC?
17:39 wizzyrea       it's frightening and confusing for my users >.>
17:40 wizzyrea       mostly because it  404's
17:40 wizzyrea       s/gurn/turn
17:40 cait           hehe not yet
17:40 cait           it's on my list
17:40 cait           for tonight
17:40 wizzyrea       lol ok
17:40 cait           I wanted to talk to oleonard about it
17:40 cait           is he still here?
17:40 cait           I was thinking syspref vs. classes / ids in the xslt file
17:40 cait           so you can turn off and on fields with css
17:40 * oleonard     is here
17:40 wizzyrea       i'm a fan of killing it with css
17:41 cait           adding it to the summary spans
17:41 wizzyrea       oh now they want to know what exactly it is supposed to do
17:41 * wizzyrea     honestly has no idea
17:41 cait           hehe
17:41 cait           if oyu have analytics in your catalog it will bring up a result list for that
17:41 cait           showing you the essays
17:41 cait           should not bring up 404 actually
17:41 cait           only an empty list of you have none
17:42 wizzyrea       well, result not found I guess
17:42 cait           yep
17:42 wizzyrea       now that i look at it myself
17:42 wizzyrea       i am pretty sure we do not have analytics in our catalog >.>
17:42 wizzyrea       apparently.
17:42 cait           so you are volunteering to sign off? :)
17:42 cait           if I get it done tonight?
17:42 wizzyrea       well yes
17:42 cait           just got home, will eat dinner and get started on it
17:42 wizzyrea       for the hiding
17:42 wizzyrea       anyway
17:42 wizzyrea       i have no idea how it works
17:42 cait           oleonard: do you think this is an ok idea?
17:42 wizzyrea       so...
17:43 * wizzyrea     claims ignorance
17:43 cait           wizzyrea: do you have an example in your catalog I could look at?
17:43 wizzyrea       yea sec
17:43 wizzyrea       http://catalog.nexpresslibrary.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=469048
17:43 cait           ok, this is a serial record
17:43 oleonard       cait: All fields? So would have an XSLT file that showed everything, and libraries would hide what they didn't want?
17:43 cait           ldr says so
17:44 cait           oleonard: I thought it would make sense for some other fields perhaps too
17:44 cait           and would be better than having sysprefs
17:44 wizzyrea       and http://catalog.nexpresslibrary.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=469047
17:44 cait           and you could also make something bold or chang eit easier if there were some individual id's or classes
17:44 cait           but wanted to check with you if it's a bad idea for a reason I am not thinking about right now :)
17:45 * wizzyrea     is glad there are brilliant people like cait and jcamins to do stuff with things like analytics
17:45 wizzyrea       because I really have no idea.
17:45 cait           hehe
17:45 cait           let's say you catalog the essays in the serial
17:45 cait           so people can search for them
17:45 cait           some special libraries do that
17:45 cait           you link them using 773 I think
17:45 cait           to the serial
17:46 cait           but the serial has no idea it has analytics (that's why I can't show the link only if there are analytics)
17:46 cait           the link currently will show up automatically if it is a serial record
17:46 cait           but I want to make it hidable
17:46 * cait         is not brillian
17:46 cait           t
17:46 cait           brilliant would be a way to make the link only show up if there is something to be found
17:47 cait           at the moment it's show everywhere or show nowhere
17:47 wizzyrea       aha
17:47 wizzyrea       she's going to tweak the ldr on those 2 records for now
17:47 wizzyrea       to hide it
17:47 wizzyrea       :P
17:48 wizzyrea       but we will poke your patch when we see it
17:48 cait           :)
17:48 cait           ok
17:48 * cait         needs more tea
17:49 * wizzyrea     supports cait's tea habit
17:55 cait           hehe
17:55 maximep        trying to figure out the create order page... the Actual cost field is never saved in the db ?
17:56 cait           maximep: it will when oyu enter it on receive I think
17:56 cait           and it should
17:56 maximep        but it is when you receive
17:56 cait           yep
17:56 cait           rangi told me it's on the order page too in case you want to skip the receive part - but that's not working now
17:56 cait           probably a broken feature
17:56 maximep        shouldn't the two be linked together ?
17:57 maximep        because the replacement and budgeted cost are the same in the 2 interfaces
17:57 cait           I would think so, at the momen the one on order seems not to be functional
17:57 maximep        ok
17:57 maximep        going to open a bug report then
17:57 maximep        and do a patch
17:57 cait           yay :)
17:57 maximep        because without that, there's no way to modify the price
17:57 maximep        after u receive
17:57 cait           hm
17:57 cait           ah
17:57 cait           but it works
17:57 cait           after receive
17:57 cait           with a patch
17:58 cait           that I signed off on these days
17:58 cait           ahve you searched bugzilla for actual price?
17:58 cait           there should be at least 2 bug reports about that
17:58 maximep        bug 6414
17:58 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6414 major, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW , actual price not recorded when ordering
17:58 maximep        but no patch
17:59 maximep        let's see if theres another..
17:59 cait           ah, I have more
17:59 cait           bug 4831
17:59 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4831 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , Actual Price being ignored after receive
17:59 cait           bug 6879
17:59 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6879 critical, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW , Actual price should show correctly on order line and basket summary
17:59 maximep        wow lol
17:59 cait           the first one has a patch
18:00 cait           the second is a bigger problem - and I probably understand now what you mean and you are right
18:00 cait           if you want to change the actual price after receive you need to modify the order line
18:00 cait           and it shows the wrong value in there - I rreported that in 6879
18:01 maximep        ok
18:01 * cait         hopes she didn't scare you away :)
18:01 maximep        4831 doesn't seem to be the same problem
18:01 cait           no
18:02 cait           it's only connected to the actual price thing
18:02 cait           and has a patch
18:02 cait           so I wanted you to know :)
18:02 maximep        that code is so hard to understand :/
18:03 * cait         sends chocolate
18:07 maximep        it shows ecost in the actual cost of neworder, but I think it should show unitprice
18:08 maximep        and be saved as unitprice
18:08 maximep        I think that would fix both 6414 and 6879
18:08 cait           I would say try it out and let me test :)
18:09 * wizzyrea     is glad to vanquish bug 5533
18:09 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5533 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , marking item lost diff in two places
18:10 slef           wizzyrea: I've a new cool plugin for wordpress. See it on my blog's comment forms.
18:10 wizzyrea       slef forgive me, which blog?
18:11 maximep        cait: ok, will send a patch to 6879
18:11 * wizzyrea     likes neat plugins
18:11 slef           arrrrrrrrgh
18:11 * slef         goes to cut and paste it
18:11 wizzyrea       oy!
18:12 slef           autocomplete is biting me
18:12 slef           cool new login links on http://www.news.software.coop/six-of-the-best-podcasts/1149/#comments
18:13 slef           it's a hack of comments-with-openid to make it work more nicely with 3.2
18:13 slef           I'll publish it RSN
18:13 wizzyrea       ooo!
18:13 wizzyrea       that is NEATO
18:14 wizzyrea       so commenters don't have to have an actual blog account to post comments
18:14 wizzyrea       ?
18:15 wizzyrea       that is NEAT.
18:15 slef           no, but I allow public to comment with moderation anyway
18:15 slef           it just avoids them having to type in all three fields
18:16 slef           as wordpress will go eat them from their profile
18:16 wizzyrea       i like that
18:16 slef           I'd like to add facebook and twitter but they make you register for API keys, which sucks
18:16 wizzyrea       *nod*
18:17 slef           I spend too much time fiddling with our wordpress because it is FUN already
18:17 wizzyrea       :) wordpress *is* fun
18:17 oleonard       Wait... slef? Fun? PHP?
18:17 * wizzyrea     just goes with it
18:19 slef           oleonard: the good thing of wordpress I don't have to write much PHP at any one time and rarely get stuck adding bloody echo(); commands to debug it.
18:19 slef           it's reasonable
18:20 wizzyrea       did you guys see this?
18:20 wizzyrea       http://blog.wikimedia.org/2011/09/19/ever-wondered-how-the-wikimedia-servers-are-configured/
18:20 wizzyrea       kind of awesome.
18:21 slef           mediawiki is not fun
18:21 maximep        puppet is sure cool
18:21 maximep        once you create all your scripts and your configs
18:21 wizzyrea       but it's cool to see how they've done stuff.
18:21 wizzyrea       imo
18:21 slef           yeah, it's one good way of doing things... we're a bit more ad-hoc by using git trees to share configs around
18:22 slef           we still don't have many servers that are exactly the same configuration
18:22 slef           maybe it'll be a 10th birthday present for us ;-)
18:22 wizzyrea       :D
18:23 wizzyrea       man I am loving schema.koha-community.org
18:24 maximep        yeah I guess it's worth it if you have to install 40 servers with the same config :p
18:24 sekjal         soliciting opinions:  I'm working on bug 6403, and I'm wondering if it's worth having a syspref to control this, or to just do it automatically
18:24 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6403 enhancement, P5, ---, ian.walls, NEW , Record local use stats when checking in
18:26 sekjal         right now, all my patch is doing, is if the item isn't issued when it's returned, changing the UpdateStats type from 'return' to 'localuse'
18:26 sekjal         (and adding a message to the template noting "inhouse use recorded"
18:26 wizzyrea       well
18:26 cait           it goes into statistics table or will it increment the local use value?
18:26 cait           I think the problem is lots of people are checking in stuff
18:26 wizzyrea       ok, we use checkin to process incoming transfers
18:26 cait           just to check what's  up with it
18:26 wizzyrea       is that a valud localuse?
18:26 cait           so it would always count
18:26 wizzyrea       valid*
18:27 cait           and not only for the statistical user like before
18:27 cait           and for this I think it should perhaps be a sys pref
18:27 cait           I think local use would be if oyu have a thing like a reading room
18:27 wizzyrea       sorry to make it harder sekjal :(
18:27 sekjal         aside from the message, the only difference with the syspref on is that UpdateStats adds the entry as "localuse" instead of "return"
18:27 cait           and want to track what people are bringing in there to read
18:28 sekjal         doesn't add a new statistics table entry
18:28 * wizzyrea     ponders this
18:28 sekjal         just modifies the one that's already occurring
18:28 cait           sekjal: so you are not incrementing the value in the item? the localusething?
18:28 cait           I thought there was a value in items for this... but perhaps I am mistaken
18:29 sekjal         cait:  I don't believe there is such an item value
18:29 cait           and that you would use the statistical patron to incrmeent that by checkout
18:29 sekjal         at least, if there is, it's not updating it when a statistical patron is used, either
18:29 wizzyrea       yea that's gotta be a syspref.
18:29 wizzyrea       as an example, we wouldn't want every item checked in to fill a hold to be a localuse
18:30 sekjal         but it should be recorded as 'return'?
18:30 wizzyrea       we, specifically, don't do anything with return statistics
18:30 wizzyrea       precisely for this reason
18:30 wizzyrea       because return stats are bloated by reserves
18:30 cait           hm you are probably right
18:30 cait           http://manual.koha-community.org/3.4/en/trackinhouse.html
18:31 cait           http://manual.koha-community.org/3.4/en/addstatspatron.html
18:31 sekjal         so... the robust solution would be to breakdown the UpdateStats type even more intelligently
18:31 cait           so you could still use a statistical user for specific stuff
18:31 sekjal         so returns are indeed all returns, localuse all localuse, holds are hold, etc. etc
18:31 wizzyrea       ^^ yes, sadly this
18:32 cait           maximep++
18:32 * wizzyrea     knows that's a lot more work.
18:32 cait           sekjal: I think you are right
18:32 cait           wizzyrea: the new search for the manual is great
18:32 sekjal         okay, well that's outside the scope of today's project.  I'll just put the syspref in there, then, as originally planned
18:32 wizzyrea       I do my best
18:32 wizzyrea       but I'm glad you like it
18:35 cait           wizzyrea: bug 6901
18:35 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6901 enhancement, P5, ---, katrin.fischer, NEW , Add CSS classes/ids to OPAC and staff XSLT views
18:36 wizzyrea       k. food, then that.
18:37 cait           wizzyrea: not there yet, only the bug is there now ;)
18:37 wizzyrea       hehe
18:37 wizzyrea       k
18:45 pastebot       "oleonard" at 66.213.78.34 pasted "For cait: jQuery show/hide example" (142 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/51
18:45 cait           oleonard++
18:45 cait           :)
18:46 cait           thank you!
18:47 oleonard       You're very welcome
18:48 slef           so wizzyrea you want me to post that modified plugin then? ;-)
18:56 cait           nengard++
19:10 jcamins_away   Ooh, does anyone want to join the Dark Side? They're hiring.
19:10 cait           I am  not tempted
19:10 jcamins_away   Lightsaber and scary mask not included.
19:10 cait           lol
19:10 jcamins_away   Well... what if they offered you a lightsaber or scary mask?
19:10 jcamins_away   Or black cape!
19:10 * cait         was wondering: how das yoda speak in english?
19:10 cait           dark the other side is?
19:10 jcamins_away   Yup.
19:11 cait           shut up yoda and eat your toast...
19:11 jcamins_away   :)
19:11 cait           sorry, couln#t resist
19:11 oleonard       Where'd you see that jcamins_away ?
19:11 jcamins_away   oleonard: sith-l? ;)
19:11 jcamins_away   Autocat.
19:12 oleonard       sith-l is a very well-behaved list. Anyone who leaves their vacation auto-responder turned on gets force-choked.
19:13 jcamins_away   [off] Dark Side in Utah, not Dark Side on the East Coast.
19:13 cait           ok
19:13 cait           something did go wrong here
19:13 cait           runtime error: file /home/katrin/kohaclone/koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/xslt/MARC21slimUtils.xsl line 143 element choose Variable 'UseAuthoritiesForTracings' has not been declared.  at /home/katrin/kohaclone/C4/XSLT.pm line 178 :(
19:13 cait           oleonard: lol
19:14 jcamins_away   cait: the variables at the top are now scoped wrong.
19:14 cait           are now?
19:14 cait           what have I done?
19:14 jcamins_away   Probably deleted an <xsl:if>?
19:15 cait           checking...
19:16 jcamins_away   Wait... that error doesn't make sense.
19:16 cait           no
19:16 jcamins_away   Oh, I see.
19:16 cait           perhaps it does not like spaces in attributes?
19:16 jcamins_away   Two line numbers.
19:17 cait           yes?
19:17 jcamins_away   Wait a minute.
19:17 * oleonard     flees
19:18 cait           oh that's nice
19:18 cait           master is broken oto
19:18 cait           to it was not ME
19:19 jcamins_away   No it's not.
19:19 jcamins_away   Someone rearranged things a bit.
19:19 cait           ok
19:19 jcamins_away   Add this line in that template: <xsl:variable name="UseAuthoritiesForTracings" select="marc:sysprefs/marc:syspref[@name='UseAuthoritiesForTracings']"/>
19:19 cait           which commit was it?
19:20 jcamins_away   I'm not sure.
19:20 cait           hm
19:20 jcamins_away   One of the problem commits was f087137f, which had a one-line change I didn't notice.
19:20 jcamins_away   However, I think there's another, more recent commit, too, where a line was removed, probably.
19:24 cait           xslt pm?
19:25 jcamins_away   No, it's all scoping in the XSLTs.
19:25 jcamins_away   The error is because m880select is getting called in a context where the variables aren't defined.
19:27 cait           oh
19:27 cait           where
19:27 jcamins_away   I don't know. :(
19:27 jcamins_away   And I'm trying to write a paper right now, so I can't really look.
19:37 cait           jcamins++
19:38 cait           saving my evening :)
19:40 jcamins_away   :)
19:47 rangi          hi trea
19:47 trea           rangi, hello
19:47 trea           how's well? anymore hail?
19:48 trea           welly*
19:48 rangi          nope not for about a week anyway
19:48 rangi          it better be fine tomorrow
19:48 rangi          going to the usa vs australia game
19:49 trea           no kidding. iirc hail is pretty unusual isn't it?
19:49 rangi          this time of year, yep
19:49 wizzyrea       lordie ohloh is slow today!
19:49 wizzyrea       wtfizzle
19:50 rangi          heh
19:54 cait           ah,now oleonard is gone
19:54 cait           which css file do I add a new class to?
19:54 cait           that is used in xslt files for staff and opac?
19:54 rangi          both
19:54 rangi          I reckon
20:01 wizzyrea       this might be a dumb question
20:01 wizzyrea       can you bring in a record with items and directly overlay
20:01 rangi          when importing?
20:01 rangi          overlay the items?
20:02 wizzyrea       example, you have a bib with 3 items all checked out, as part of a batch process you want to overlay the items to edit one or several of the barcodes
20:02 wizzyrea       what does that do to the current issue/
20:02 wizzyrea       if anything
20:02 cait           no items overlay
20:02 cait           once a barcode is in
20:02 cait           the items never get touched or changed in any way
20:02 cait           only overlay for records
20:02 cait           you can overlay and add items
20:02 rangi          what she said
20:03 cait           hehe
20:03 wizzyrea       ty
20:03 wizzyrea       that's really helpful :)
20:03 cait           sorry :)
20:03 wizzyrea       cait++
20:03 wizzyrea       no no
20:03 wizzyrea       don't be sorry
20:06 cait           wizzyrea: I have staff ready in 3 minutes
20:06 cait           last proof read
20:06 wizzyrea       k
20:06 cait           I had to do a bit more to fix things for original script 880 fields
20:06 cait           I will attach some sample records - is this ok for you?
20:06 rangi          I should win lotto
20:07 rangi          and donate the money to the make wizzy and cait work on koha fulltime fund
20:07 wizzyrea       yep
20:07 wizzyrea       lol
20:07 cait           totally
20:07 cait           does the fund include regular trips to nz?
20:08 rangi          it does now
20:09 cait           ya
20:09 cait           y
20:11 cait           :)
20:12 cait           wizzyrea: staff is ready for testing :)
20:12 wizzyrea       k
20:44 cait           wizzyrea++
20:46 jcamins_away   Goodness! What a lot of activity from ByWaterians!
20:50 cait           hm?
20:51 jcamins_away   cait: when I came back to my computer, there was a screen full of joins, parts, and nick changes from ByWaterians.
20:52 cait           ah
20:54 jcamins_away   Wow, that was fast signing off.
20:54 rangi          kapow!
20:56 rangi          its married NateC
20:56 cait           oh!
20:56 cait           congratulations NateC
20:57 NateC          It is I
20:57 NateC          Thanks Cait
20:57 jcamins_away   Congratulations, NateC!
20:57 rangi          natec
20:57 NateC          Hiya rangi and #koha
20:57 rangi          hmm
20:57 NateC          thanks jcamins
20:57 rangi          natec?
20:57 wahanui        I LIKE SPACE AND rangi's WIFE
20:57 rangi          lol
20:57 rangi          that totally didnt work right
20:57 NateC          nice
20:57 jcamins_away   natec?
20:57 wahanui        I LIKE SPACE AND rangi's WIFE
20:57 cait           ?
20:57 rangi          i wrote
20:58 rangi          i like space and my wife
20:58 rangi          and it did that ;)
20:58 cait           rofl
20:58 jcamins_away   wahanui: forget natec
20:58 wahanui        jcamins_away: I forgot natec
20:58 cait           I think you have to escape it
20:58 jcamins_away   wahanui: NateC is <reply>I LIKE SPACE AND MY WIFE
20:58 wahanui        OK, jcamins_away.
20:58 jcamins_away   natec?
20:58 wahanui        I LIKE SPACE AND jcamins_away's WIFE
20:58 jcamins_away   Nope.
20:58 jcamins_away   wahanui: forget natec
20:58 wahanui        jcamins_away: I forgot natec
20:58 cait           NateC is <reply> I LIKE SPACE AND \MY WIFE
20:58 wahanui        i already had it that way, cait.
20:59 rangi          natec?
20:59 wahanui        I LIKE SPACE AND MY WIFE
20:59 rangi          :)
20:59 cait           :)
20:59 wizzyrea       lol you guys
20:59 bg             Natec?
20:59 wahanui        I LIKE SPACE AND MY WIFE
20:59 cait           saw robin doing that... and that
20:59 cait           germs?
20:59 wahanui        Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world.
20:59 bg             NateC?
20:59 wahanui        I LIKE SPACE AND MY WIFE
21:00 rangi          eythian++
21:00 druthb         cait?
21:00 wahanui        i heard cait was kf or a programmer or really sweet or a source of great chocolate or the purveyor of an infinite supply of virtual cookies or not sure we need the page(s)... but that might just be me
21:00 * druthb       blinks.
21:00 cait           rangi: meany
21:00 jcamins_away   That's even better than mine!
21:01 * trea         chuckles
21:01 druthb         jcamins?
21:01 wahanui        jcamins is supposed to be an outstanding cook. or well-traveled and brilliant. or trying to think of a solution, but short of a set of three sysprefs (ShelfBrowserUsesLocation, ShelfBrowserUsesCcode, and ShelfBrowserUsesHomeBranch), I don't really have any ideas. or awesome fixing broken email notifications or the wizard that forges queries in the deep fires of zebra
21:01 * druthb       blinks again.
21:01 cait           druthb?
21:01 wahanui        druthb is a travelin' woman.
21:01 cait           hm
21:01 druthb         trea?
21:01 rangi          melia?
21:01 wahanui        I LIKE BEER AND I LOVE ANSWERING RFP
21:01 * druthb       pokes wahanui.
21:01 * wizzyrea     giggles
21:01 jcamins_away   Ooh, I'd forgotten about the end of that. Mine is pretty epic after all. :)
21:01 melia          yes rangi?
21:01 wahanui        I LIKE ALMONDS! HAVE SOME NUTS!
21:01 * wizzyrea     giggles more
21:01 druthb         trea is the other half of the wizzyrea.
21:02 libsysguy      looks like i wandered into some afternoon silliness
21:02 cait           *giggles too*
21:02 wizzyrea       that's not fair!
21:02 rangi          melia: nothing, just seeing what the bot thinks about you ;)
21:02 rangi          melia?
21:02 wahanui        I LIKE BEER AND I LOVE ANSWERING RFP
21:02 druthb         wizzyrea?
21:02 rangi          its funny cos its TRUE!!
21:02 druthb         hmpf.
21:02 rangi          :)
21:03 wizzyrea       trea?
21:03 wahanui        I LIKE THE UKULELE AND GINGER ALE!
21:03 * wizzyrea     nods
21:03 trea           lulz
21:03 druthb         wizzyrea?
21:03 wahanui        wizzyrea is the other half of the trea
21:03 trea           "better" half
21:03 druthb         it appears that several of us are all PMing wahanui...poor thing will have a fit shortly.
21:04 cait           hehe
21:04 cait           wahanui botsnack baldrian
21:04 wahanui        thanks cait :)
21:04 druthb         talljoy?
21:04 wahanui        I CRUNCH DATA
21:04 druthb         lol
21:04 jcamins_away   change something to what?
21:04 wahanui        jcamins_away: that doesn't look right
21:04 sekjal         rangi:  feature freeze is coming up soon, isn't it?
21:04 rangi          yup
21:04 rangi          tomorrow
21:04 wahanui        tomorrow is pizza friday!
21:04 cait           very very soon
21:04 rangi          your time
21:05 sekjal         okay
21:05 rangi          anything in the queue for signoff is fair game
21:05 sekjal         I've got a couple last-minute enhancements we're testing internally, with hope of submission today/tomorrow
21:05 rangi          get them submitted today or tomorrow and they will be in consideration for 3.6.0
21:05 druthb         wahanui: botsnack valium
21:05 wahanui        thanks druthb :)
21:06 sekjal         cool
21:06 sekjal         two features:  Novelist Select enhanced content, and in-house use recorded on checkin of unissued items
21:06 rangi          ahh saw that
21:06 rangi          novelist one
21:07 rangi          yeah, those both sound like ones that should be fairly safe
21:09 * druthb       hopes her itty bitty patch makes it in...got a go-live soon that wants it.
21:09 sekjal         druthb:  was that bug 6900
21:09 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6900 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, ruth, ASSIGNED , In XSLT, OPAC display of availability needs a line break when both loan and not-for-loan items present
21:09 sekjal         ?
21:09 jcamins_away   druthb: the one I just signed off on?
21:09 * libsysguy    was hoping hourly would make it in too
21:10 druthb         that's the one.
21:10 libsysguy      but I don't think its going to happen
21:10 * jcamins_away hopes that bug 6800 makes it in.
21:10 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6800 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED , Koha authentication should handle proxies better
21:11 jcamins_away   Since no one else seems to use reverse proxies, getting it signed off is kind of tricky.
21:12 libsysguy      maybe if i chant it...bug 5549 bug 5549 hehe
21:12 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5549 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED , Hourly Loans
21:13 jcamins_away   libsysguy: does that work? If it does, maybe I should chant "bug 6800"... ;)
21:14 libsysguy      i think we have to chant sekjal with the bug number
21:14 libsysguy      perhaps he'll just become irritated and push us lol
21:14 cait           hehe
21:15 cait           sekjal humansnack cookies
21:15 sekjal         I will try to take as many QA priority requests as I can in this next month
21:15 * druthb       will be driving 650 miles this weekend, touching two towns that are both named "Columbia" along the way...
21:15 jcamins_away   Well, rangi does the pushing. sekjal needs to pass us first. ;)
21:15 cait           rangi: is srdjan in today?
21:15 libsysguy      oh no we are like hot potatoes
21:15 cait           perhaps he could fix the small problem on the acq bug I was testing this morning...
21:15 wizzyrea       trea?
21:15 wahanui        i heard trea was the support in the darkness. The watcher of the tickets. He is the fire that keeps errant cats happy, the light that brings code updates, the horn that wakes the devs, the shield that guards the realms of nerds.
21:15 rangi          he works for catalyst australia
21:15 libsysguy      and sekjal we should have some kind of voting system on koha-community lol
21:15 cait           !
21:15 wizzyrea       LOL
21:15 rangi          its only 7.15am there
21:15 cait           didn't know that
21:16 * druthb       blinks.
21:16 rangi          so will be in an, in a a little bit
21:16 cait           wow trea
21:16 sekjal         libsysguy: yes
21:16 jcamins_away   How poetic.
21:16 wizzyrea       trea++
21:16 wizzyrea       that's awesome
21:16 trea1          lol, yea. gotta love game of thrones
21:16 rangi          heh
21:16 druthb         gosh, I ain't nuffin up next to that!
21:17 * wizzyrea     claims him. You can't have him!
21:17 libsysguy      druthb we were talking about you today during lunch
21:17 sekjal         I'd like to see a voting mechanism for the community
21:17 druthb         ruh roh
21:17 druthb         yes, libsysguy?
21:17 libsysguy      we were all wondering when you were coming to visit us
21:17 wahanui        somebody said libsysguy was Koha's hottest developer or partying with swedes on his deck
21:17 sekjal         but that would require some kind of registration process
21:17 cait           sekjal: voting for?
21:17 libsysguy      sekjal true...can we just use open ID
21:17 druthb         "all," libsysguy?
21:18 sekjal         cait:  voting on anything anyone proposes
21:18 cait           hm
21:18 sekjal         somethign a little more official (and accessible) than IRC
21:18 cait           we could use something like doodle
21:18 cait           ah
21:18 libsysguy      well...actually we just weren't going to tell you know who...we are all kind of hoping she'll stroke when you show up then we won't have to deal with her anymore
21:18 druthb         libsysguy: lol.  I was wonderin'.  such a pity.   But at the moment, not sure when I'll be down that way.
21:19 libsysguy      druthb: that is sad
21:19 libsysguy      we'll set you up with all the WiFi you can use :)
21:19 cait           :)
21:19 * cait         giggles thinking about wifi and nz
21:20 * cait         did a bus trip with a lot of internet addicted people
21:20 libsysguy      that is me!!
21:20 melia          hey, I signed off a patch (with Brendan's help)!
21:20 cait           yay!
21:20 cait           melia++ :)
21:20 libsysguy      yay!!
21:20 bg             yay!
21:20 libsysguy      melia++
21:20 rangi          melia++
21:20 trea1          \o/
21:21 cait           :)
21:21 druthb         libsysguy:  If I come use your wifi, then you'll have to run me off eventually, so your problem child can come back to work.
21:21 sekjal         alright, folks, been fun, but I've got to dash
21:21 sekjal         have a great night
21:21 libsysguy      later sekjal
21:21 cait           bye sekjal :)
21:21 cait           hi eythian :)
21:21 libsysguy      druthb: no you can just come replace her...we can put you on the payroll :)
21:21 * cait         corrects that to mr robin
21:22 rangi          that was just his computer, hes not at his desk yet
21:22 cait           hmpf :)
21:22 jcamins_away   He's had some connectivity issues, I've noticed.
21:22 druthb         hm...  let's see...how tempted am I to leave ByWater and go work circ in a state where the legislature tried to erase my very existence....   nope, not very.
21:23 libsysguy      sad day for libsysguy
21:23 libsysguy      also...this made me giggle http://i.imgur.com/uVCM4.jpg
21:23 rangi          lol
21:24 druthb         you wouldn't want me to come work there, libsysguy...the thing I'm most-qualified for is to replace *you.*   *evil grin*
21:24 * libsysguy    runs and hides
21:25 libsysguy      actually...they are going to need somebody when I leave next year
21:25 cait           hehe
21:25 rangi          someone is playing a mandolin in the office
21:25 cait           druthb: how are german laws?
21:25 rangi          i work with some random people
21:26 jcamins_away   cait: so far as I know, mandolins are legal.
21:26 rangi          lol
21:26 cait           lol
21:29 druthb         not sure, cait, but anyplace that *doesn't* have Rick Perry in the executive offices is better off than one that does.
21:29 druthb         he and his cronies darn near took away my right to ever move back to TX and get married--and would revoke my birth certificate, if they could.
21:30 cait           :(
21:31 druthb         it worries me greatly that he might become President.  Imma thinking ByWater needs to open a Pac Rim office, if that happens.
21:32 druthb         ...or a Eurozone office...or a Martian office...somewhere far, far from here.
21:35 huginn         New commit(s) kohagit: bug_6576: Submit when changing framework rather then reloading <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c453a45f384ce87a8af4ab9339fb877b11a79105>
21:37 rangi          that was a nasty one
21:38 wizzyrea       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1jAr466DJc&feature=player_embedded#!
21:38 wizzyrea       because, well.
21:38 wizzyrea       you'll see.
21:38 wizzyrea       we need to make one for the ILS
21:38 wizzyrea       in the library
21:38 rangi          oh yeah
21:38 jenkins_koha   Starting build 419 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
21:39 druthb         wizzyrea++
21:46 wizzyrea       i'm not sure I deserved karma for that but thanks
21:47 jcamins_away   wizzyrea++
21:47 wizzyrea       seriously guys
21:47 wizzyrea       @karma
21:47 huginn         wizzyrea: Highest karma: "rangi" (403), "oleonard" (320), and "gmcharlt" (263).  Lowest karma: "<!" (-107), "failed" (-67), and "-" (-37).  You (wizzyrea) are ranked 4 out of 1701.
21:48 wizzyrea       that just aint right
21:48 wizzyrea       @karma wizzyrea
21:48 huginn         wizzyrea: Karma for "wizzyrea" has been increased 234 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 234.
21:48 druthb         @most increased
21:48 huginn         druthb: "rangi": 408, "oleonard": 325, "gmcharlt": 268, "wizzyrea": 234, "chris_n": 206, "nengard": 194, "cait": 164, "sekjal": 158, "druthb": 119, "paul_p": 113, "jcamins": 101, "slef": 98, "magnuse": 84, "kf": 76, "hdl_laptop": 60, "hdl": 59, "jwagner": 53, "eythian": 52, "biblibre": 46, "atz": 44, "thd": 42, "fredericd": 39, "pianohacker": 39, "larsw": 37, and "Colin": 29
21:48 wizzyrea       there is no way I deserve to be above chris_n and sekjal.
21:48 wizzyrea       chris_n++ sekjal++
21:49 wizzyrea       kf++
21:49 wizzyrea       cait++
21:49 cait           huh?
21:49 jcamins_away   Ooh, I've broken 100!
21:49 jcamins_away   @karma jcamins_away
21:49 huginn         jcamins_away: Karma for "jcamins_away" has been increased 7 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 7.
21:49 druthb         I had been hoping to catch sekjal, but the blocks have gotten longer....
21:49 wizzyrea       well you did that lovely thing to the opac
21:49 gmcharlt       wizzyrea++
21:49 wizzyrea       goldurnit.
21:49 jcamins_away   @karma sekjal
21:49 huginn         jcamins_away: Karma for "sekjal" has been increased 159 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 158.
21:50 cait           hi gmcharlt :)
21:53 jcamins_away   MariaDB is pretty nifty looking.
21:53 rangi          it should just drop in
21:54 rangi          worth having a try with sometime
21:54 jcamins_away   Does it support InnoDB?
21:54 rangi          innodb sux
21:54 rangi          tere
21:54 rangi          there i said it
21:54 rangi          ;)
21:54 gmcharlt       but regardless, MariaDB does support it
21:54 jcamins_away   rangi: but isn't that what we use in Koha?
21:55 rangi          yup, in a lot of places we shouldnt
21:55 gmcharlt       jcamins_away: chris_n did some poking around with mariadb a while back
21:55 gmcharlt       the main thing is that mariadb by default enforces stricter SQL standards compliance than mysql does
21:55 gmcharlt       so it would require a bit of patch for Koha to work on it
21:55 jcamins_away   rangi: shouldn't we stop using InnoDB in those places, then?
21:56 rangi          i think so
21:56 rangi          places im thinking about
21:56 gmcharlt       on the other hand, stricter SQL checking is a Good Thing
21:56 rangi          is the statistics table
21:56 rangi          sessions
21:56 cait           oleonard++
21:56 rangi          and a few others
21:57 jcamins_away   We use InnoDB for sessions?
21:57 rangi          we used to, we blanket converted everything
21:57 rangi          i think a recent patch fixed sessions
21:58 gmcharlt       my favorite storage engine for sessions is ... memcached ;)
21:58 * rangi        looks
21:58 rangi          yup, thts what i use too ;)
21:59 rangi          DROP TABLE IF EXISTS sessions;
21:59 rangi          CREATE TABLE sessions ( `id` varchar(32) NOT NULL, `a_session` text NOT NULL, UNIQUE KEY id (id)
21:59 rangi          ) ENGINE=InnoDB DEFAULT CHARSET=utf8;
21:59 rangi          nope we still use it
21:59 cait           I think it was talked about on the mailing list recently
21:59 rangi          zebraqueue is another one
21:59 rangi          we dont have any foreign keys
21:59 rangi          we arent doing transactions
22:00 rangi          not winning anything except slow with innodb on that table
22:00 rangi          when im not RM
22:00 rangi          ill make myself a pest rejigging the database and getting it running on postgres at least as well as mysql
22:01 * jcamins_away didn't realize zebraqueue was InnoDB.
22:01 wizzyrea       oh!
22:01 wizzyrea       time to go!
22:01 wizzyrea       later peps
22:01 rangi          take a look at kohastructure.sql jcamins_away
22:01 rangi          pretty much everything is
22:02 rangi          cya wizzyrea
22:02 jcamins_away   rangi: yeah, unless you're me, and decided to change zebraqueue to MyISAM.
22:02 jcamins_away   And sessions.
22:02 jcamins_away   Seems to work fine.
22:02 rangi          yup
22:02 jcamins_away   I don't even remember doing that, but my DB's been around the block a few times.
22:04 jcamins_away   Some time I should take a look, see if I've been using MyISAM for any other tables.
22:06 rangi          :)
22:06 cait           wizzyrea: bye :)
22:06 jcamins_away   I should also figure out if I have any custom indexes.
22:07 cait           rangi: does your rejigging involve getting rid of all thos eunused columns?
22:07 rangi          yup
22:07 cait           rangi: or more consistent use of datatypes?
22:07 rangi          seems like the perfect opportunity
22:07 * cait         agrees
22:07 rangi          and reserved names
22:07 rangi          so we dont have to backtick things
22:07 * cait         nods
22:08 * rangi        looks forward to breaking everything
22:08 cait           hehe
22:08 cait           we will fix things
22:08 cait           after you break them
22:08 cait           only fair
22:08 jcamins_away   And by "we," cait means "you." :P
22:08 rangi          heh
22:08 cait           no
22:08 cait           she doesn't!
22:09 cait           :)
22:09 cait           but i would appreciate someone fixing 6881
22:09 cait           bug 6881
22:09 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6881 critical, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW , Can't accept suggestions
22:09 cait           although I am a bit scared git blame will blame me
22:10 rangi          ahh
22:10 rangi          i might get a chance to look a tthat today
22:11 cait           i was in there doing template changes recently
22:11 * cait         confesses now
22:12 cait           and before i get myself into more trouble...
22:12 cait           i should go to bed :)
22:12 cait           bye #koha :)
22:18 huginn         New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6900 - line break between available and reference items <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=65e65d7c37e052e6fa8253001f47c497e22e6fd3> / Bug 6360 - add some more sounds to some happenings on returns <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6e91a453aa5a693c7e15c6e82f14e66471b3ec98>
22:27 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_master build #419: SUCCESS in 48 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/419/
22:27 jenkins_koha   srdjan: bug_6576: Submit when changing framework rather then reloading
22:27 jenkins_koha   Starting build 420 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
22:33 rangi          hmm it was cait :)
22:33 rangi          nvm, fixed now
22:46 huginn         New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6881] Can't accept suggestions <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6881>
22:47 rangi          i think that holds the record for my smallest patch eve
22:47 rangi          r
22:47 rangi          :)
22:48 gmcharlt       it's figuring out where to aim the hammer ...
22:48 rangi          :)
22:50 jcamins_away   rangi: eythian is the person to talk to about the nagios plugins for Koha?
22:50 eythian        yep
22:50 jcamins_away   eythian: good morning.
22:50 eythian        hiya
22:52 jcamins_away   eythian: so, any chance I could persuade you to share those plugins?
22:52 eythian        of course, one moment
22:52 jcamins_away   eythian++
22:54 eythian        http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=koha.git;a=tree;f=nagios;h=9a09915fd3f241d4e6ea6dd8b49d4b65a3b26c6d;hb=refs/heads/nagios <-- jcamins_away, all the code is in nagios/, and the branch name is nagios.
22:54 jcamins_away   Cool!
22:54 jcamins_away   Thanks!
22:55 eythian        It doesn't understand the packages, as I did it for a client who isn't yet using them, but it's been on my todo for a while to make it hook into them and be a bit smarter.
22:55 jcamins_away   There's even a readme! Awesome!
22:55 eythian        But that's hopefully enough for you to get going.
22:55 eythian        :)
22:55 jcamins_away   Yup.
22:55 jcamins_away   This leaves only one more technical issue that I haven't figured out.
22:55 jcamins_away   :)
22:55 jcamins_away   Well, that I haven't cribbed a solution to off of you.
22:55 eythian        what's that?
22:55 eythian        heh
22:55 * jcamins_away takes lots of credit for cribbing all your solutions.
22:56 eythian        I'm OK with that ;)
22:56 jcamins_away   When I need to do upgrades for my two small clients on different days.
22:56 eythian        beer is a suitable trade :)
22:56 eythian        on the same machine?
22:56 jcamins_away   Right.
22:57 eythian        we don't do that, we schedule a time to do it all at once.
22:57 jcamins_away   Using the packages makes it so much easier to manage the server, and upgrades are a snap, but I encountered a situation where I have to do one upgrade one week, and the other the next week
22:57 jcamins_away   I went with the "move client B to a spare server temporarily" option.
22:58 eythian        yeah, that's probably the easiest way.
22:58 jcamins_away   But I'm not sure I'd raise that to the level of "solution." More like "work-around."
22:58 eythian        at least a koha-dump/koha-restore should take care of it quickly.
22:59 eythian        Yeah, having multiple versions of packages at the same time is very difficult, and not something I'd like to have to support.
22:59 jcamins_away   Yeah, and these are tiny installations.
23:00 eythian        hmm, I just noticed the nrpe_local.cfg is empty
23:00 eythian        I wonder what happened there.
23:00 jcamins_away   I'm thinking the way to automate it would be to have a separate chroot jail for the system that gets upgraded first, then once the other is ready, switch it back to the main root.
23:00 * eythian      goes and grabs a copy from the server.
23:01 eythian        that's an option, although not too different from having another server really.
23:02 jcamins_away   Yeah, but with the difference that I could probably script it all, whereas I don't have the ability to script a move between servers.
23:02 eythian        ah right
23:02 eythian        good point
23:02 jcamins_away   (not saying it couldn't be done, just that I couldn't do it)
23:10 jcamins_away   But, anyway, you don't have any suggestions for how to do it other than the alternate server/chroot/vm option, correct?
23:14 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_master build #420: SUCCESS in 47 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/420/
23:14 jenkins_koha   * robin: Bug 6360 - add some more sounds to some happenings on returns
23:14 jenkins_koha   * ruth: Bug 6900 - line break between available and reference items
23:14 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6360 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, ASSIGNED , all messages on checkin should have sounds if soundson
23:14 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6900 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, ruth, ASSIGNED , In XSLT, OPAC display of availability needs a line break when both loan and not-for-loan items present
23:15 eythian        jcamins_away: not really I'm afraid.
23:16 jcamins_away   eythian: I didn't really expect you to have an answer, though you have had answers for every other technical difficulty that presented itself... thanks for thinking about it. :)
23:16 jcamins_away   eythian++ # for solving problems
23:16 eythian        heh :) if I really had to do it, I'd probably chuck a git checkout onto it and run from that for the week
23:18 jcamins_away   Hm. I guess that would probably make more sense.
23:20 jcamins_away   Just change the paths in koha-conf.xml and the Apache conf file.
23:20 jcamins_away   Even easier than a chroot. Cool!
23:28 eythian        yeah
23:35 eythian        oh, my kohacon flying-home time has changed, so I don't have to be up at godawful in the morning the day after the conference.
23:35 eythian        that's good
23:53 jcamins_away   eythian: check to make sure they didn't move the second leg to the next day.
23:55 eythian        jcamins_away: no, it ends up I leave about 4 hours later, and arrive here about 2 hours later.
23:56 eythian        a net gain really
23:57 jcamins_away   Very nice.