IRC log for #koha, 2011-09-19

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00:58 eythian <-- "Ain't no party like a Pyongyang party, 'cause a Pyongyang party is ABSOLUTELY MANDATORY"
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04:30 rangi hi cait
04:30 eythian hi cait
04:30 cait hi eythian and rangi :)
04:41 * mtj waves to cait tooo :)
04:41 cait hi mason :)
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05:07 Brooke 0/
05:07 cait hi Brooke - go back to bed
05:08 Brooke you assume I went there in the first place :P
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05:29 cait it gets cold in the mornings :(
05:29 cait @wunder Konstanz
05:29 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 7.3�C (7:29 AM CEST on September 19, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Windchill: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.87 in 1011.4 hPa (Steady).
05:30 cait uuuh
05:30 * Brooke passes cait a pendleton blanket.
05:32 cait I imagine does don't work to well at work
05:32 cait does = those
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05:52 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6883] User permissions SQL File Translation <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6883>
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06:41 sobia hi room
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06:43 reiveune hello
06:43 sobia anyone there waking?
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06:58 francharb hello #koha
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06:58 saim_bu hi
06:59 saim_bu can someone help me in zebra searching problem?
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07:02 eythian saim_bu: that depends on what the problem is.
07:02 eythian oh.
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07:17 kf good morning #koha!
07:18 sophie_m hi kf ?
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07:22 kf hi sophie_m :)
07:23 sophie_m hi kf (without ?  ;-) )
07:29 kf ah :)
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07:33 rangi hmm sometimes i dont understand people
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07:47 kf only sometimes?
07:48 rangi hehe
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08:30 Carl430 Hi there!
08:31 Carl430 I have a question about multiple card numbers.
08:31 kf ask )
08:31 * rangi waits
08:31 kf :)
08:31 Carl430 well, do you use "Additional attributes and identifiers"?
08:32 Carl430 or, how do you insert several card numbers?
08:32 rangi you want mulitple cardnumbers for a single borrower?
08:32 rangi why?
08:33 Carl430 well, our patrons have several card numbers today. :-)
08:33 rangi why?
08:33 Carl430 good question...
08:33 kf Carl430: that will not work with koha
08:33 Carl430 ok
08:33 kf one cardnumber for each borrower
08:33 Carl430 ok
08:33 kf you can use the opac-login for another username in opac
08:33 rangi its the unique identifier for a borrower
08:34 kf so they can log in with cardnumber + password and opac login + password
08:34 Carl430 aha
08:34 kf but circulation will only work with cardnumber
08:34 rangi you could store the other cardnumbers in a notes field if you wanted
08:34 rangi but it would just be informational only
08:34 rangi they wouldnt be used for anything
08:34 Carl430 notes field... ok, just information
08:35 Carl430 not for use
08:35 Carl430 I understand
08:35 Carl430 we have to contemplate this matter I guess...
08:35 rangi what im wondering is what you would use multiple cardnumbers for?
08:37 Carl430 well, today our student use their library card, but also their campus card
08:37 Carl430 it's a long story
08:38 rangi you could use the campus card for their userid, so they could login to the opac, and you can checkout using their name (if they dont have their library card on them)
08:38 rangi or just pick one :-)
08:38 Carl430 yes
08:38 Carl430 ok, thank you for quick feedback!
08:38 Carl430 cheers from Sweden!
08:39 rangi ;)
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08:49 kf ah, now I was too slow :)
08:50 rangi ?
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09:18 rangi hello matts
09:18 rangi hmm magnuse
09:18 wahanui magnuse is afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza.
09:18 rangi and matts :)
09:19 matts hello !
09:20 magnuse kia ora!
09:22 kf hi matts
09:34 magnuse wish me luck for tuesday and wednesday - i'll be giving a crash course in installing and maintaining koha to 2 or 3 people from University of Juba...
09:36 rangi ohh, with the packages i hope?
09:36 magnuse no, we'll run through a manual install, as an opportunity to look at the different bits and pieces that make up an installation
09:37 magnuse with the packages it would be done in 5 minutes... ;-)
09:37 rangi as it should be :)
09:38 magnuse yeah, but just doing "sudp apt-get install koha" doesn't give you much to go if something fails...
09:39 rangi yep, so you could teach them about logs, and where to look to debug if the install failed
09:39 magnuse yeah, stuff like that
09:39 kf good luck :)
09:39 magnuse thanks
10:06 kf lunch time
10:06 kf maccaroni with cheese today :)
10:06 magnuse yay
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10:09 Brooke kia ora
10:09 magnuse hiya Brooke!
10:09 Brooke ho there :)
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10:53 rangi hmm i wonder who did
10:54 kf hm guessing - biblibre?
10:56 rangi hdl: do you know?
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11:32 hdl rangi: uns.
11:32 hdl rangi: kf BibLibre did
11:32 hdl rangi: why ?
11:37 kf hdl: we were wondering about the version number in the code
11:37 rangi just the version number
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11:56 jcamins_away magnuse: oh, I know the person who started the librarian training program at the University of Juba. Seems like a pretty great school. :)
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12:03 tcohen mornin'
12:03 jcamins_away Morning.
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12:17 oleonard Hi #koha
12:18 jcamins Good morning, oleonard.
12:21 tcohen rangi, will bug 6193 make it in?
12:21 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6193 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, tomascohen, ASSIGNED , Use memcached cache koha-conf.xml configuration variables
12:22 kf tcohen: I think it needs testing
12:22 magnuse jcamins: cool! small world... ;-)
12:22 kf ah no, it's signed off... ignore me
12:23 kf tcohen: actually bug 6139 is confusing - it's marked signed-off but I see no sign-off and no signed-off patch
12:23 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6139 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Automatic incrementation of call number does not work if given prefix contains a '
12:24 kf tcohen: wrong status? if it has not been tested you should set it back to needs signoff and perhaps ask around to find someone to test it
12:24 kf tcohen: rangi has gone to bed - but I pestered him yesterday about deadlines
12:25 kf tcohen: new features should ge ttested until 22nd
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12:43 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6193] Use memcached cache koha-conf.xml configuration variables <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6193>
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13:16 oleonard Re: message to Koha list about suggestions emails, that's not a Koha feature is it? Sending an email to the librarian with new suggestions?
13:17 jcamins Not to my knowledge, but I thought maybe I was confused, and was letting someone else respond.
13:17 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6884] Improve TinyMCE configuration on Koha News page <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6884>
13:19 * oleonard responds as such
13:27 kf oleonard: I think you are right
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13:28 kf hi sekjal
13:28 sekjal hi, kf
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13:46 wizzyrea mornin
13:47 oleonard Hi sekjal, wizzyrea
13:47 sekjal morning, oleonard
13:47 wizzyrea oleonard: that guy has CRAZY email requirements in the first place
13:48 wizzyrea a very draconian setup
13:48 wizzyrea (the email servers they use, I mean)
13:50 wizzyrea I just realized I don't think there is any documentation on managing purchase suggestions
13:50 oleonard[…]ual-en/?ch=x10375
13:51 wizzyrea that page doesn't load for me :(
13:51 wizzyrea but it might be me
13:52 oleonard If the web site had a grudge against anyone for messing around with its private parts, it would be you wizzyrea
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13:52 wizzyrea :)
13:52 wizzyrea in fact I know it's me
13:52 wizzyrea sheesh
13:54 wizzyrea you gonna send him that link or you want me to? now that my computer has gotten it's mind back.
13:54 * oleonard did
13:54 wizzyrea spectacular
13:54 wizzyrea oleonard++
14:06 jwagner I tried responding to him a couple of times, but the listserv seems to be holding up my email for moderator approval, sigh.  Guess it doesn't like the screenshots he included
14:06 wizzyrea urf
14:06 oleonard Trim your reply?
14:06 jwagner Next time I will....
14:06 wizzyrea I helped him with his email thing, which they ended up doing local changes for (sheesh)
14:07 wizzyrea but, the patch I sent to help his problem did help them fix it, in the end
14:07 wizzyrea (for patron suggestions)
14:07 wizzyrea no
14:07 wizzyrea urg
14:07 wizzyrea patron *updates*
14:07 * wizzyrea is quiet now
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14:58 kresp0 hi all
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14:58 kresp0 anyone have ideas about this error ?   Can't call method "subfield" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/ line 2672.
14:58 kresp0 it appears when trying to add the first item
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14:59 Oak kia ora #koha
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15:13 kf kresp0: is this a new install or an updated install?
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15:14 kresp0 a new install
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15:15 kresp0 kf: but maybe not a "fresh one", as i attempted to install koha on the past
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15:30 tcohen hi kf
15:30 tcohen sorry I had to be out several hour
15:30 tcohen s
15:31 tcohen I think biblibre people that tested the patch
15:31 tcohen forgot to send it with the sign-off
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15:37 fcapo Are there any usage restrictions on the Koha logo? ie. is the Koha logo unden an open license?
15:42 * oleonard wishes he knew the legal answer to that
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15:57 tcohen kf? r u there?
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16:13 jcamins tcohen: kf left.
16:14 tcohen thanks jcamins
16:14 tcohen i'm leaving too, regards
16:14 libsysguy whoa jcamins why are you not jcamins_away
16:14 libsysguy i feel awkward since you are here hehe
16:14 libsysguy here in a digital sense
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16:43 jcamins libsysguy: and, ironically, I wasn't here!
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16:48 libsysguy haha that is funny jcamins
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17:06 libsysguy anybody know whats up with the GetIssuingRule function
17:07 sekjal libsysguy:  how do you mean?
17:09 libsysguy well there is this really terrible comment in a FixMe
17:09 libsysguy I was only looking at it because it was giving me the all/all/all rule for an item that has a clearly defined rule
17:10 sekjal hmmm.  is the branch code portion of it pulling from the expected place?
17:10 sekjal branch could mean homebranch, holdingbranch or patron branch, depending on your settings
17:10 libsysguy that is what i was just about to run a check on and see exactly what its getting passed
17:17 libsysguy hmm the itemtype is blank...odd
17:17 libsysguy guess that would do it
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17:20 Brooke 0/
17:22 libsysguy sekjal I need some advice
17:23 libsysguy I am passing an item to calcfine just like it needs...but it is calling for $item->{itemtype}...but in the database its itype
17:23 libsysguy is it should read $item->{itype}
17:23 libsysguy but if I change could break some other parts of Koha
17:24 libsysguy I think the only other place that CalcFine gets used is in the fines script
17:24 libsysguy but I'm not sure
17:24 * Brooke hands libsysguy a cookie for bravery.
17:24 * libsysguy accepts cookie :)
17:25 Brooke perhaps the schema might show what would break?
17:25 libsysguy the db schema or does the codebase have a schema?
17:26 Brooke although the caveat I think would be should and does
17:26 Brooke erm lemme look up the thinger that folks just posted someplace...
17:26 Brooke but sekjal is of course better ;)
17:27 libsysguy haha well you know...I always look to sekjal for solid advice that will keep me out of trouble
17:27 Brooke
17:27 Brooke thankfully we have redundant keep you out of trouble mentors like gmcharlt and chris in the multiplicity of chrisness
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17:28 Brooke 0/
17:28 libsysguy oh yeah the db schema...yeah I wish it was just a DB thing...but I need to know where its used in the codebase :'(
17:28 libsysguy to grep
17:28 sekjal libsysguy:  sorry, had to duck out.  back
17:28 libsysguy its cool
17:28 cait hi there
17:29 libsysguy so it looks like the Getoverdues function aliases that column to itemtype
17:29 libsysguy ...frustrating
17:29 sekjal libsysguy:  are you on the hourly loans branch, or master, for this?
17:29 libsysguy hourly
17:29 libsysguy I was attempting to implement that click to fine function on a checkin
17:30 libsysguy if I could get this piece done I would be golden
17:30 sekjal what line is the call to $items->{itemtype} on, in what file?
17:30 libsysguy with no additional queries :D
17:30 libsysguy its in
17:30 libsysguy Overdues**
17:30 libsysguy and the function is in CalcFine
17:31 sekjal looking
17:31 libsysguy it looks like that function only gets called in a test module and in the fines script
17:31 libsysguy so I think it would be safe to remove that alias
17:33 sekjal yeah, not sure why it's renaming itype to itemtype
17:33 libsysguy me either but its causing me pain
17:33 sekjal that doesn't really seem necessary, and only creates confusion
17:33 Oak Hello Brooke !!
17:33 * Brooke hugs Oak
17:33 Oak heya cait
17:34 libsysguy agreed...for now on my local branch I'll remove it
17:34 Oak :]
17:34 libsysguy I'm not going to commit any of this until hourly is ready to go into master
17:34 jcamins It's renaming itype to itemtype so that item-level and bib-level itemtypes will both work.
17:35 libsysguy ohh...hmm
17:35 * Oak just watched New York, I Love You. again.
17:35 cait hi Oak
17:35 sekjal ah, yes... if I'd read more than just the single SQL statement...
17:36 libsysguy haha its ok thats all I was looking at too
17:36 sekjal renaming it makes the output consistent regardless of what the setting for item-level_itypes is
17:36 libsysguy so is there anything I can do?
17:37 sekjal I don't really see what you'd need to change
17:38 sekjal Getoverdues outputs the item type as "itemtype" instead of "itype", and that's just slurped in by CalcFine
17:38 libsysguy right...but if I am using calcfine from another function that doesn't have that alias
17:39 sekjal so you'd just need to put a 'itemtype' key in the hashref you feed CalcFine
17:39 libsysguy i suppose I ....yeah taht
17:39 sekjal or add a fallback line in CalcFine to try "itype" if "itemtype" is undefined
17:39 libsysguy that may be a better solution
17:40 wizzyrea so, do we consider the packages acceptable for adding them to the download page on
17:40 wizzyrea I wonder if we should be encouraging their use from there.
17:41 wizzyrea (i'm almost sure we should be)
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17:43 jcamins wizzyrea: I'd think so, yes.
17:44 wizzyrea At the very least, I think we should say "pakages for debian are available"
17:44 wizzyrea and link
17:45 jcamins Agreed.
17:47 wizzyrea
17:48 jcamins Take out the (Experimental) Debian packages for Koha?
17:48 wizzyrea yea I just saw that, it's gone now
17:48 wizzyrea with the caveat that I haven't cleared the cache
17:49 wizzyrea so you might still see it
17:53 Brooke sexy
17:53 Brooke that's part Robin's work, yes?
17:56 wizzyrea ya
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17:59 cait hi trea :)
17:59 Brooke eythian++
17:59 cait and magnuse++ :)
18:00 Brooke is there anything magnuse++ doesn't do?
18:00 trea hi cait
18:02 cait Brooke: hmm. not that I am aware of
18:03 Brooke hey trea
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18:06 trea hi Brooke
18:14 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6885] Superlibrarian users can't delete items from another library when IndependantBranches <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6885>
18:15 fredericd wizzyrea: How to add an entry here: ?
18:15 libsysguy sekjal, I just wanted to let you know that I got the check for hourly working on checkin with no additional queries
18:15 cait fredericd: there is matching page on the wiki
18:15 cait not sure how the table on this page is done
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18:16 wizzyrea you tell me and I add it
18:16 fredericd cait: hello. I create an account, with some permissions I could edit this page myself...
18:17 fredericd A Koha 3.4.5
18:17 fredericd OPAC:
18:17 fredericd pro: -- demo/demo
18:17 fredericd thanks
18:17 wizzyrea sure
18:17 fredericd and UNIMARC
18:20 wizzyrea fredericd: done
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18:22 cait wizzyrea++
18:23 Brooke wizzyrea++
18:23 Brooke thanks for the demo
18:23 wizzyrea yw yw
18:23 wizzyrea :)
18:24 Brooke the more up there the better frederic :)
18:24 wizzyrea fredericd++
18:25 Brooke fredericd++
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18:30 cait fredericd++
18:31 fcapo Repeating a previous question : Are there any usage restrictions on the Koha logo? ie. is the Koha logo under an open license?
18:32 wizzyrea tricky question, imo
18:32 rangi You are welcome to download and use these logos/graphics for the promotion and publicity of the Koha Library System. You may not use them for any other purpose.
18:33 wizzyrea potentially weird TM ramifications in the US
18:33 rangi is what rachel, who designed the logo released them as
18:33 wizzyrea there you have it
18:33 wizzyrea anywhere else, and you're probably cool.
18:33 Brooke morning Mr. Rangi.
18:33 rangi morning
18:34 fcapo ok, thanks.
18:34 * oleonard wonders what lawyers would make of that "license"
18:35 fcapo Would be useful to have that written somewhere. In wikipedia, it seems the default "This image is under copyright" is used.
18:36 oleonard It is under copyright, but with certain uses allowed (as I understand it)
18:37 rangi thats pretty much how all licenses work
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19:02 wizzyrea you know I am looking at this opac
19:02 wizzyrea the nexpress one
19:03 wizzyrea and I realized that I didn't look at more than 5% of the marc data that is displayed there
19:03 fredericd wizzyrea: thanks for your responsivness
19:03 wizzyrea yw :)
19:03 fredericd wizzyrea++
19:03 oleonard wizzyrea: Yeah, the kind of data we really want to see usually isn't in MARC.
19:06 Oak wizzyrea++
19:06 wizzyrea whoa whoa
19:06 wizzyrea lol
19:06 cait hehe
19:06 cait don't make her explode
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19:06 * cait sends a cookie to liz instead of karma
19:06 wizzyrea ty :)
19:07 oleonard it would be interesting if IRC karma had a chorewars gold exchange rate.
19:08 Brooke ooooh
19:08 Oak :)
19:08 fredericd rangi: About bug 6755...
19:08 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6755 major, PATCH-Sent, ---,, ASSIGNED , Problems with switching languages
19:08 Brooke oleornard++
19:08 Brooke wizzyrea++
19:08 fredericd it really hurts multilingual installations
19:08 wizzyrea lol stop it
19:08 oleonard Even more interesting if I could spend my gold on something :)
19:08 * Brooke likes the cut of oleonard's jib.
19:08 wizzyrea hehe
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19:11 Brooke 0/
19:12 talljoy Is still used in Koha?  (current release)
19:12 talljoy o/ Brooke
19:15 oleonard talljoy: My search doesn't turn up any references to it
19:16 talljoy I think I'm dealing with an archaic Koha.  museum piece.  ;)
19:16 talljoy or a customization.
19:17 cait never heard of it, but doesn't mean much :)
19:17 wizzyrea well we could look for it in 2.2 I guess
19:18 sekjal callnumber can be searched with Zebra: callnum,wrdl: <<term>>
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19:20 wizzyrea talljoy: what directory is it in?
19:20 oleonard "Your branch and 'origin/master' have diverged,and have 1 and 1875 different commit(s) each, respectively" Hmph.
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19:21 talljoy wizzyrea: it is referenced in cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/
19:22 talljoy sekjal: i reccommended he try that option.  ;) as opposed to a development request to add this!
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19:32 cait sekjal: around
19:32 cait ?
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19:35 sekjal sorry, in a meeting at the moment... hopefully will be done soon
19:35 cait sekjal: no problem :)
19:35 libsysguy ^^
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19:36 wizzyrea that must be local talljoy
19:36 wizzyrea (I got pulled off to the side sorry
19:37 talljoy no prob.  I think it is very old.  the script itself says 'it is part of Koha, copyright 2000-2002'
19:37 talljoy like to see it?
19:37 wizzyrea sure why not
19:37 talljoy where do i paste?
19:38 oleonard
19:39 cait paste?
19:39 wahanui somebody said paste was found at
19:39 cait hm
19:39 cait where do I paste?
19:39 wizzyrea where do I paste is found at
19:39 wizzyrea where do I paste?
19:39 cait wahanui: you missed your chance!
19:39 wahanui cait: excuse me?
19:39 wizzyrea hrmph
19:39 cait hehe
19:40 cait oh wahanui
19:40 talljoy i got it.   sheesh...
19:40 talljoy lol
19:40 * wizzyrea pokes talljoy
19:40 cait why are you poking her?
19:40 pastebot "talljoy" at pasted "old koha" (138 lines) at
19:40 wizzyrea a friendly ribbing
19:40 * cait pokes liz to see what this is about
19:40 wizzyrea :)
19:40 * wizzyrea giggles
19:40 cait :D
19:40 wizzyrea much like the pillsbury doughboy
19:40 talljoy it's not formatted pretty.  but happy reading.
19:41 talljoy spoke to soon.  it formatted nicely in there.
19:41 * wizzyrea wonders if that's a harleyism.
19:41 wizzyrea could check I spose.
19:42 talljoy unknown.  They are not previous clients.....but they may have gotten a copy somewhere and done their own install i suppose.
19:42 cait just a friendly reminder: people go and sign off on patches - 22nd is near!
19:42 nengard hello #koha family
19:43 libsysguy hey nengard :D
19:43 nengard howdy
19:43 cait hi nengard! :)
19:43 cait how are you doing?
19:44 nengard little scare last night ended me back in the hospital - but i'm home and doing much better today
19:44 nengard kinda scared to get that bill .....
19:44 wizzyrea !!!
19:44 cait oh :(
19:44 cait what happened?
19:45 wizzyrea eek signoffs
19:45 cait wizzyrea: correct - signoff
19:45 cait s
19:45 cait I can't do them all - need help :)
19:46 wizzyrea i have a couple of pets in there that need signoff too.
19:46 wizzyrea i'm going to work on it... tomorrow, maybe today
19:46 libsysguy I have a pet that is signed off
19:46 libsysguy :'(
19:47 libsysguy but its hourly so I really need something other than prod testing done on it
19:47 * wizzyrea wouldn't even know where to begin
19:47 wizzyrea on that
19:47 cait :(
19:47 cait but it would be so nice to have that working
19:47 * oleonard doesn't know where to begin on a lot of the needs signoff bugs
19:47 cait I am concentrating a bit on acq right now
19:47 cait because it's my big pet
19:48 cait perhaps we can talk about it and figure out something together?
19:48 wizzyrea talljoy: doesn't look like it's in harley
19:48 cait someone has a lost pet he wants to take up for adoption?
19:49 cait I would be happy if someone could sign-off on the last follow up for bug 6390
19:49 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6390 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, ef, ASSIGNED , Basket only visible for librarian who created it
19:52 nengard wizzyrea chest pains
19:52 cait nengard: :( but all ok now?
19:52 nengard turns out it was just reflux - which is nothing to laugh at...
19:52 nengard yup
19:52 nengard all okay
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19:53 wizzyrea nengard: glad you're well now though
19:53 nengard thanks - me too
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19:58 rangi back
19:59 Brooke wb
19:59 nengard hi
20:01 * Brooke is gonna skeddaddle out to the Liberry
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20:16 talljoy rangi: you recognize this?  "old koha" (138 lines) at
20:17 talljoy i'm trying to track down the source.
20:17 sekjal back
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20:18 rangi whats the name of the script?
20:20 rangi the copyright header is def wrong
20:20 rangi thats a straight cut and paste
20:20 talljoy
20:20 talljoy that's what they sent me.
20:21 rangi ill search when im off the bus
20:21 talljoy rangi: no rush.  thanks.
20:23 Oak good night folks
20:23 Oak 1:30 am here
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20:24 cait night Oak
20:24 cait nah, too slow
20:24 rangi I can tell you its not that old
20:24 rangi itemcallnumber on the items table didn't exist til 2007 ish
20:25 rangi but ill see what I can find when I have access to my git checkout :)
20:25 cait ok, question for people who know things about sports
20:25 cait is a '2-out Grand Slam Home Run' something good?
20:26 wizzyrea ya
20:26 rangi yes
20:26 wizzyrea it's super good :)
20:26 rangi
20:27 rangi ask bg cait
20:27 wizzyrea how to explain...
20:27 cait bg?
20:27 cait hehe
20:27 rangi its a baseball thing
20:27 rangi ok my stop bbiab
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20:27 cait rangi: I got that far
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20:28 wizzyrea did you do something really good at the last minute that totally saved the day?
20:28 wizzyrea because that's what it means in a nutshell
20:28 cait wizzyrea: no, we are talking about real baseball here
20:28 wizzyrea oh
20:28 cait I know someone who did it
20:28 wizzyrea Ooo
20:29 wizzyrea then they did something really good at the last minute that scored 4 runs
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20:29 wizzyrea where "last minute" = with 2 players "out" out of 3 possible.
20:29 * wizzyrea is probably not helping
20:29 * wizzyrea will be quiet
20:30 * cait sends liz more cookies
20:30 cait no, you are very helpful
20:30 wizzyrea lol
20:30 cait go and get yourself some xp :)
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20:48 nengard_ is now known as nengard
20:48 cait 2 signed-off... who does the next few? :)
20:48 rangi cait++
20:48 wizzyrea i'm looking at bug 6488
20:48 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6488 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , opachiddenitems not working in master
20:49 wizzyrea but I'm a bit unclear on what he means when he says "holes"
20:49 rhcl is now known as ketchup
20:49 wizzyrea I see that if you hide all of the items on a bib, the bib still shows
20:49 wizzyrea that seems ok
20:50 cait hm Ithought it meant the counting would be wrong
20:50 cait like jumping numbers or something
20:50 wizzyrea yea, I didn't understand
20:50 wizzyrea oh, that could be...
20:50 wizzyrea let me check
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20:51 wizzyrea yes, cait
20:51 wizzyrea that's totally it
20:51 wizzyrea thank you
20:51 wizzyrea now, do I care?
20:51 * wizzyrea thinks about it
20:51 cait is it better than before?
20:51 wizzyrea well the hiding works
20:51 cait does it break something or is horrible confusing?
20:52 * wizzyrea resets brain to patron
20:52 cait lol
20:52 * cait imainges liz pushing a little button on her head
20:52 wizzyrea
20:52 wizzyrea that's what it looks like
20:52 wizzyrea no, I don't think it's confusing
20:52 wizzyrea why do they have numbers in the first place?
20:53 wizzyrea i mean, it's confusing that it's skipping numbers, but only if you're looking for it
20:53 wizzyrea and strictly speaking
20:54 ketchup safe?
20:54 ketchup is now known as rhcl
20:54 wizzyrea it's not showing the preference number of items per page
20:54 wizzyrea buuut
20:54 wizzyrea again, do we care?
20:54 wizzyrea if we do, I can't pass it
20:55 wizzyrea does that count as a regression?
20:55 cait hi rhcl: safe? :)
20:56 rhcl reference to something wizzyrea said earlier that invoked ketchup safe mode
20:56 wizzyrea what'd I do?
20:56 cait ketchup safe mode?
20:57 cait not sure being named ketchup is very safe, you could get eaten by accident
20:57 * wizzyrea ponders slathering rhcl all over a hotdog
20:57 wizzyrea then dipping fries
20:57 wizzyrea actually
20:57 wizzyrea I don't really like ketchup :P
20:58 cait wizzyrea: I think it is a little confusing, but better than not hiding things
20:58 cait perhapsmake it an enhancement to correct the numbering?
20:58 rhcl I can also be mustard
20:58 wizzyrea I do like mustard
20:58 rhcl but I'm spicy brown mustard, must use with care
20:59 rangi fredericd: bug 6755 needs to get a sign off, then pass qa, then ill look at it again
20:59 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6755 major, PATCH-Sent, ---,, ASSIGNED , Problems with switching languages
21:05 wizzyrea @later tell manguse I got the gamification book ;)
21:05 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
21:05 wizzyrea @later tell magnuse I got the gamification book ;) (and thanks for the coupon!)
21:05 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
21:05 wizzyrea manguse just won't work.
21:06 wizzyrea stupid spelling.
21:07 cait hehe
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21:16 wizzyrea alright, for opachiddenitems
21:16 wizzyrea if you hide *all* of the items
21:16 wizzyrea do you still want to see the bib?
21:17 wizzyrea man, i'd like to sign off on this but I don't think I can :/
21:17 sekjal if you want to hide the bib, set 942$n = 1
21:18 wizzyrea I knew that
21:18 wizzyrea but
21:18 wizzyrea if you have a bib and all items are suppressed...
21:18 wizzyrea you think it's ok to still see the 'no holdings' bib?
21:18 sekjal could still have 856$u
21:18 sekjal or serial holdings
21:19 wizzyrea that would be one case where you wouldn't want that behaviour, for sure
21:19 rangi well if you have chosen to hide all the items
21:19 rangi not hide the bib
21:19 rangi i think you have chosen to show the bib and not the items
21:20 rangi otherwise you'd just do what sekjal said
21:20 rangi 942n
21:20 wizzyrea well here's what I'm thinking
21:21 wizzyrea and you can totally shoot me down
21:21 wizzyrea and you probably will
21:21 wizzyrea ;)
21:21 wizzyrea but item suppression is kind of automatic
21:21 wizzyrea you give it a class of items to hide
21:21 wizzyrea and it hides them all
21:21 wizzyrea bib suppression is manual
21:21 wizzyrea you have to go set it
21:21 wizzyrea so
21:21 wizzyrea what I'm seeing, for example
21:21 cait I am not going to shoot you, because that makes sense so far :)
21:21 wizzyrea is what if you suppress a class of items
21:22 rangi what if you want to show a bib and not its items
21:22 wizzyrea you may or may not know that all of the items are suppressed
21:22 rangi how would you do it, if it starting hiding your bibs
21:22 wizzyrea so you'd have unintentionally empty bibs set out there
21:23 rangi or unintentionally hidden biblios in the other case
21:23 wizzyrea yea, so you're pretty well damned if you do damned if you don't
21:23 rangi if you were gonna do it right
21:23 rangi you'd have an option
21:23 rangi hide biblios with all items hidden
21:24 rangi but even then, you still mgith want to show some and not others
21:24 wizzyrea "set the 942$n = 1 when all bibs will be hidden"
21:24 wizzyrea "or don't"
21:24 rangi yeah
21:24 wizzyrea but you see my conundrum
21:24 rangi i personally think the syspref and code is to hide items
21:24 rangi not to hide biblios
21:24 rangi so you are scope creeping it
21:25 wizzyrea that's fair
21:25 rangi and another bug to offer the option to hide biblios when all items are hidden would be a goodish approach
21:25 wizzyrea I can definitely envision a scenario in NExpress where hiding the items would leave empty bibs
21:25 wizzyrea but it might be a people problem
21:25 rangi yup
21:26 wizzyrea (bad cataloging)
21:26 rangi but that might not be a bad thing
21:26 rangi because the biblio might have an ebook link
21:26 wizzyrea (i.e. if people would use the right framework for their ILL, it'd never show up in the first place)
21:26 wizzyrea no an empty bib isn't inherently bad
21:26 wizzyrea I get that
21:27 rangi so i dont think we can automatically hide them, i think that would be worse than having empty
21:27 rangi specially since you might never find out they arent showing up
21:27 wizzyrea an empty bib that confuses patrons -> i.e. "do they have this? it looks like they should... but I can't have it" is bad.
21:27 wizzyrea but, probably not in the scope of this particular patch
21:28 wizzyrea ok I feel better now.
21:29 cait hm
21:29 cait I think empty bibs are bad
21:29 cait and it would be nice to be able to hide them
21:29 cait but perhaps should be an option
21:30 wizzyrea you can hide them, with the 942$n = 1
21:30 cait in german catalogs an ebook would always have it's own record
21:30 wizzyrea but it's not automatic
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21:30 cait and if all items are damaged or lost and you want to hide those, the print records should be hidden too
21:30 cait wizzyrea: worse, it doesnot work with our union catlaog setting
21:30 cait because the 942 $n would be overwritten
21:30 wizzyrea oof
21:30 cait when something in the record is changed on union catalog level
21:31 cait so hiding it with hidiing items would be cool :)
21:31 cait but I can see it as an enh
21:31 cait or make it possible to secure fields from being overwritten during import
21:31 wizzyrea well I think the question of "pass or don't pass this patch"
21:32 wizzyrea has been answered
21:32 wizzyrea hmm.
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21:32 wizzyrea except for the thing about the numbering.
21:32 cait but this thing about the numbering happens because it's hiding biblios... right?
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21:33 * wizzyrea doesn't fully understand what the deal is with the numbering
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21:35 wizzyrea actually, I can't make it show the right numbering ever?
21:35 * wizzyrea tries again
21:38 cait if you undo the hiding thing, does it cound normally=
21:38 cait ?
21:38 cait and sleep time
21:38 wizzyrea no
21:38 cait good night #koha
21:38 cait weird!
21:38 wizzyrea gnite
21:38 wizzyrea yea
21:38 wizzyrea weird.
21:38 * wizzyrea will try again tomorrow.
21:38 wizzyrea on that one.
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21:52 aarkerio Hi! how can I add my company to:
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21:53 wizzyrea getting listed is at[…]ow-to-get-listed/
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22:08 aarkerio thanks!
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23:07 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5459] merging records loses holds from one <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5459>
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