IRC log for #koha, 2011-09-01

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01:38	talljoy_away	yo
01:41	Agent_Dani	oy
01:41	eythian	yoyo
01:41	Agent_Dani	Yeah, that's me. ;)
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01:56	talljoy_away	lol
02:02	* Agent_Dani	is trying to convince herself that she's doing The Right Thing.
02:04	eythian	ITS GOING TO ALL GO HORRIBLY WRONG
02:04	eythian	does that help?
02:05	Agent_Dani	Ah, there's the lettle satyr on the other shoulder!
02:17	talljoy_away	Agent_Dani: fake it until you make it
02:18	Agent_Dani	talljoy_away: hehe
02:18	Agent_Dani	The thing in question is attending uni while working full-time.
02:18	eythian	I did that for a while
02:19	eythian	I don't really recommend it unless you're really good at time management
02:19	eythian	(I'm not)
02:20	Agent_Dani	That's my weakness but I am working on it.
02:20	Agent_Dani	Right now I'm doing only one class per semester so it isn't costing me tuition, but I'll probably consider changing that in the future so it doesn't take 10 years to complete my BS.
02:21	eythian	Yeah, you could probably get away with 1/4th-1/2 of a regular course maybe. When I was doing it, it was postgrad which was a mixed blessing.
02:21	* Agent_Dani	nods
02:22	Agent_Dani	Not helping is that my employer is quite inflexible about this.
02:23	Agent_Dani	I.e. I couldn't get any flexibility in my 07:00-15:00 hours even with a 19:30-20:45 class.
02:23	* Agent_Dani	notes here that she is employed by the uni in question.
02:24	eythian	ah, that's surprising then.
02:24	eythian	I thought a uni would be good with, y'know, uni.
02:24	Agent_Dani	Not so much this place.
02:25	Agent_Dani	At least specific managers, and I will consider going over my managers head if that becomes necessary, e.g. when I need to take Calculus which I cannot do outside of my usual work schedule.
02:27	Agent_Dani	Anyhow, that's my hour of free time for today. Goodnight!
02:29	eythian	bye
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03:25	druthb	o/
03:26	eythian	I'm starting to develop a problem with o'Reilly ebooks. I keep buying them every time I encounter something I need to know about. It's a fiendish scheme they've got going on.
03:27	druthb	it is a clever scheme, eythian.
03:27	eythian	The android market makes it a little too easy.
03:32	druthb	It's the modern version of putting the cookies right next to the checkout at the grocery...
03:36	eythian	it is very much
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05:13	Judit	hi
05:13	wahanui	que tal, Judit
05:13	Judit	is there an easy way to change on the /cgi-bin/koha/opac-user.pl the "If you don't have a password yet, stop by the circulation desk the next time you're in the library. We'll happily set one up for you.
05:13	Judit	" text
05:13	Judit	there is no syspref is there?
05:16	eythian	I don't think so
05:16	eythian	there ought to be, and it wouldn't be hard to do.
05:17	eythian	I think the standard is to rewrite it with Javascript, which isn't a great solution.
05:17	Judit	not great?
05:18	eythian	it works mostly. Unless the person doesn't have JS turned on. But it's just not a very nice solution. A syspref or similar would be nicer.
05:18	eythian	Well, actually, ideally you'd make it understand languages.
05:18	Judit	so it is doable
05:18	Judit	just not nice
05:18	eythian	yep
05:19	eythian	it'll work pretty much fine with javascript.
05:19	Judit	how much work approx
05:19	Judit	:)
05:19	eythian	10 minutes
05:19	Judit	:D
05:19	Judit	do make a syspref
05:19	Judit	?
05:19	eythian	no, to do it with javascript
05:19	Judit	and to do the syspref?
05:20	eythian	I don't know. In a simple way, an hour or two, but I'd like to run it by other people, as it wouldn't work with multiple languages very well.
05:21	eythian	And it may require building some way of translating editable messages, which is pretty messy.
05:21	eythian	or, would need to be implemented fromt he ground up
05:21	eythian	and that's a significant amount of work.
05:21	Judit	thanks
05:21	Judit	have you seen this: http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominio[…]t-like-Wellington
05:22	Judit	made me think of you :D
05:22	eythian	heh. Yeah, I hear the winds didn't even get to 100km/h, so really just light breezes.
05:22	Judit	light breeze :D
05:22	Judit	no that is notnormal
05:22	eythian	http://www.myacpl.org/koha/?p=160 <-- customising the OPAC using CSS and JS
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05:35	cait	good morning #koha
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05:58	fredericd	cait: Are you invistigating a solution for bug 6750?
05:58	huginn	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6750 critical, P5, ---, frederic, NEW , Guarantor search broken on translated templates
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05:58	cait	fredericd: not yet
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05:59	cait	i thought fixing the translation processing bug would perhap fix it - but I see the file for the search itself is not in the list
06:00	cait	fredericd: also the test is complaining about some things I don't know how to fix
06:00	fredericd	It won't work in this case, even it's a related bug
06:00	cait	fredericd: the first few results that have no patch are some of those
06:00	fredericd	the issue comes from a complex JS
06:02	cait	can you fix it?
06:02	fredericd	Could you do a synthesis of the work in progress on the templates bug? what have been done, what have to be done
06:02	fredericd	for 6750, I don't know, I take a look
06:02	cait	fredericd: i can try to do so tomororw
06:03	cait	planning to sign-off on owen's patches
06:03	cait	and perhaps apply all of them at one and see what's still missing
06:03	fredericd	Ok. If I can't fix 6750, I will leave a comment on BZ
06:03	cait	ok
06:03	cait	tomorrow is gbsd
06:04	cait	hope a lot of things will get signed off
06:05	eythian	oh, is it. Damn, rangi and I were thinking of finding a pub with free wifi and knocking off a bunch of them, but I don't know if he'll be in tomorrow.
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06:06	alex_a	bonjour #koha
06:09	cait	you can still do that in 2 weeks
06:09	cait	but I hope he will be better toda
06:09	cait	y
06:09	cait	and hi robin :)
06:10	eythian	hello :)
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06:17	cait	bonjour alex_a and hdl
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06:20	alex_a	hello cait
06:20	alex_a	and eythian
06:20	wahanui	hmmm... eythian is in NZ. ;) or a good influence
06:20	alex_a	and all
06:20	eythian	hiya
06:20	eythian	wahanui: why can't it be bothâ€½
06:20	wahanui	eythian: huh?
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06:28	cait	or means both can be true
06:28	* cait	spends to much time with boolean algebra lately
06:29	cait	although I really doubt that you are a good influence on wahanui
06:31	eythian	the best influence I think you mean!
06:31	lastnode	hi, i dunno if some of you remember me, but I'm an English teacher from Colombo, Sri Lanka who is trying to pitch Koha to his school administration
06:31	lastnode	ive shown the librarian and she seems imperssed
06:32	lastnode	id like to outline a technical setup i have in mind and get some feedback from you guys
06:32	lastnode	is there a mailing list i can use for that?
06:32	cait	eythian: I still remember the germ thing!
06:33	eythian	lastnode: the regular koha list
06:33	cait	mailinglists?
06:33	cait	mailing lists?
06:33	wahanui	mailing lists are at http://koha-community.org/supp[…]ha-mailing-lists/
06:33	lastnode	thanks eythian
06:33	lastnode	and wahanui
06:33	wahanui	rumour has it i am a repository of important and useful and accurate information
06:33	cait	wahanui has the link for you :)
06:33	wahanui	cait: i'm not following you...
06:33	cait	it's ok wahanui
06:33	eythian	cait: the germ this is the Truth! Why are you suppressing it?!
06:33	cait	lastnode: wahanui is our bot :)
06:33	lastnode	the main list - http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha ?
06:33	lastnode	oh my bad
06:34	lastnode	well bots deserve tahnks, too!
06:34	cait	and cookies
06:34	cait	wahanui botsnack cookie
06:34	wahanui	:)
06:34	cait	eythian: hmpf!
06:34	eythian	wahanui: the main list is at http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
06:34	wahanui	OK, eythian.
06:35	eythian	wahanui: germs is <reply>Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world.
06:35	wahanui	...but germs is <reply>...
06:35	lastnode	thanks,ill drop an email after work today
06:35	eythian	no wahanui, germs is <reply>Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world.
06:35	wahanui	okay, eythian.
06:35	cait	grrr
06:35	eythian	:D
06:35	lastnode	im considering running koha in a vm since backups and stuff are a lot easier
06:36	eythian	lastnode: vms are fine, just be ensure that they have enough performance to run mysql and zebra
06:36	lastnode	also, i think i aksed this yesterday, but what is the most non-technical howto doc koha has? ive been through thirdy party doc links etc. and sent the librarian a few
06:36	cait	we do that too :)
06:36	lastnode	but im looking for a general overview of koha froma non-tech librarian's POV
06:36	cait	lastnode: for installing koha? or using it?
06:36	eythian	here we tend to run koha and zebra in a vm, but with a dedicated database server.
06:36	lastnode	using it cait
06:36	cait	documentation?
06:36	wahanui	i guess documentation is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/
06:36	cait	there is the english user manual
06:36	lastnode	yeah ive linked to the main categories from there
06:37	cait	ah ok
06:37	lastnode	and ive also linked to some of the video tutorials
06:37	cait	there is also a guide from brooke that might be helpful
06:37	lastnode	but one link is broken
06:37	cait	beginners guide?
06:37	eythian	wahanui: moth apples is <reply>Moth apples are smaller than crab apples, sweeter too. Don't be tempted to eat them, as they are highly explosive.
06:37	wahanui	OK, eythian.
06:37	cait	lastnode: oh, you should report that to liz or nengard
06:38	lastnode	ok, how do i do that? http://opensource.califa.org/koha_training is broken
06:38	cait	wahanui: newbie guide is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Newbie_guide
06:38	wahanui	OK, cait.
06:38	lastnode	and i was told http://www.pakban.net/koha/tut/newbie.html is out of date
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06:38	lastnode	oh
06:38	lastnode	that one
06:38	* lastnode	looks
06:39	eythian	lastnode: it seems out of date, but it's hard to say as it has no version numbers referenced.
06:39	eythian	but it might be OK as a starter.
06:39	cait	Brooke updated the wiki page for 3.2 I think so it should still be quite ok
06:39	cait	the pakban link might be the older version
06:39	lastnode	mediawiki looks broken to me in FF5
06:39	lastnode	but the guide looks good
06:39	lastnode	ill check it out, thanks guys
06:40	cait	ah yes, ourmediawiki does that
06:40	cait	when a page has no category, so I was told
06:40	cait	but don't ask me how to add one...
06:40	lastnode	my biggest concern is that koha might be overkill for what we wanna do. it's a small school, with 3k books atm
06:40	lastnode	but it will grow, so i think koha is the way to go, due to it being FOSS and havign a strng userbase/community
06:41	eythian	well, you don't have to use all the bits :)
06:41	lastnode	that's true
06:41	cait	it has a lot of features, but we think it's quite intuitive to use
06:41	lastnode	it's just that even with fast add the adding record page
06:41	lastnode	can be quite intimidating
06:41	lastnode	for a new user
06:41	cait	I get not a lot of questions about how to use features
06:41	cait	I am supporting smaller libraries mostly
06:42	lastnode	im apprehensive of setting ti up
06:42	lastnode	because of the data. IANA sysadmin
06:42	lastnode	and i dont want to lose the data haha
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06:42	lastnode	so that's why im considering vms
06:42	lastnode	so i can just do a daily clone of each vm
06:42	lastnode	and rest easy
06:43	reiveune	hello
06:43	lastnode	in any case, i guess i should detail all that and send to the koha list
06:43	lastnode	thanks again!
06:43	lastnode	brb
06:44	cait	ok, have to go to - brb :)
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06:45	julian	hello #koha
06:47	eythian	lastnode: if you're using the packages, they'll soon do daily backups of the database.
06:47	eythian	which you can then rsync off-site
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07:09	huginn	New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6129] ISSN url param for serialssolutions.com <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6129>
07:09	lastnode	oh right, that's nic eythian
07:09	lastnode	soon as in 3.5?
07:09	eythian	3.6 probably, it might go into 3.4
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07:10	eythian	@later tell chris_n any chance of slipping the patch on bug 6275 into 3.4?
07:10	huginn	eythian: The operation succeeded.
07:12	lastnode	oh right. thansk eythian
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07:12	lastnode	eythian: and replacing teh db is simply a matter of replacing the file, or willthere be sql involved
07:13	lastnode	oh it will backup a sql dump?
07:13	eythian	it backs up the config and the SQL. You can then run koha-restore with those files on a fresh install to put it back.
07:13	lastnode	sweet!
07:13	magnuse	packages++
07:13	lastnode	koha++
07:13	magnuse	...and hi #koha
07:13	eythian	hi magnuse
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07:15	magnuse	bonjour clrh et paul_p
07:15	paul_p	hello magnuse & al
07:17	clrh	bonjour magnuse
07:17	clrh	hello all
07:24	kmkale	Namaskar #koha
07:24	* kmkale	waves at magnuse paul_p clrh :)
07:25	magnuse	namaste kmkale
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07:26	kf	hi all :)
07:27	eythian	bye all :)
07:27	magnuse	guten morgen kf
07:27	kf	bye eythian :)
07:27	magnuse	see ya eythian
07:27	kf	and hi magnuse :)
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08:12	kf	hm
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08:23	kf	as of today lib-web-cats says there are 1399 libraries using koha - one year ago it was 1030
08:23	kf	so even if we doubt the accuracy... nice trend
08:23	kf	:)
08:24	magnuse	yay!
08:26	kf	fredericd++
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08:29	huginn	New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6750] Guarantor search broken on translated templates <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6750>
08:29	kf	does someone know how to create a link to a saved search in bugzilla?
08:30	kf	I already shared it, but it won't work :(
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08:54	glernil	hello
08:54	wahanui	bonjour, glernil
08:55	glernil	I just want to ask something about the koha debian package
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08:56	glernil	i have 3.2.9 installed on my machine and i'm planning to upgrade to 3.4
08:57	magnuse	i have not tried that, but it should be fine
08:58	magnuse	there is a script you need to run, but the packages will remind you when you upgrade
08:58	glernil	will the upgrade affect all the instances in my machine? by the way i used koha-common package and have two koha instances
08:58	magnuse	yep, all the instances should be taken care of
08:58	magnuse	but of course, make sure you do a backup of the database first!
08:59	glernil	using the built in script in the package?
08:59	magnuse	either that or just mysqldump
09:00	magnuse	koha-dump should be a good choice
09:00	glernil	actually i did an upgrade of a test installation in a virtual machine but an error occured
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09:01	Oak	hello #koha
09:01	magnuse	glernil: hm, that sounds ominous...
09:01	magnuse	Oak
09:01	Oak	hello kf
09:01	Oak	magnuse
09:01	Oak	:)
09:01	glernil	then i tried to use the script to upgrade to 3.4
09:01	kf	hi Oak
09:01	Oak	@later tell Brooke http://www.sebastianmarshall.c[…]n-dollar-question
09:01	huginn	Oak: The operation succeeded.
09:01	magnuse	glernil: so you know what the error was?
09:02	magnuse	s/so/do/
09:02	huginn	New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5524 : Cant delete list from the second page of lists <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]5479b548017cb7217> / Bug 6528 : Cataloguing search not showing location for available items <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]a37e2b0a2dca45800>
09:03	glernil	nope. i just ignored it. then it went fine.
09:04	glernil	but i'm not sure if it is working properly as it should be.
09:05	magnuse	hm, i would make sure it does...
09:05	magnuse	maybe do the test upgrade again and make a note of the error? or test the test you have done thoroughly?
09:06	glernil	ok. got to try again.
09:07	glernil	another thing.. is it possible to create separate crontab settings for koha-instance1 and koha-instance2?
09:08	magnuse	glernil: i'm not sure about that, eythian would know...
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09:12	Brooke	0/
09:12	huginn	New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6704 : Escaping html in the merging records, so " don't break the merge <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]f159138304ed0c006> / Bug 6656 : Fix for advanced search not respecting default sort order <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]e68b15aba2526ef30> / Bug 6794 : Fixing a bug with member flags in IE <http://git.koha
09:12	Oak	Heya Brooke :D
09:12	Brooke	howdy
09:18	magnuse	\o
09:18	Brooke	wahanui magnuse?
09:18	wahanui	magnuse is, like, afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza
09:18	Brooke	tee hee
09:18	kf	mmm pizza
09:18	Brooke	hi cait :)
09:19	magnuse	mmm pizza
09:20	magnuse	tomorrow!
09:20	wahanui	it has been said that tomorrow is pizza friday!
09:20	magnuse	yay!
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09:21	Brooke	friday?
09:21	wahanui	i guess friday is It's Friday, Friday Gotta get down on Friday
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09:23	magnuse	in 36 minutes, gbsd starts in Kiribati
09:24	kf	:)
09:26	magnuse	which should make this file magically appear: http://div.libriotech.no/koham[…]ystatus-gbsd4.txt
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09:27	Brooke	winguardium leviosa!
09:27	magnuse	and i will add the #kohails hashtag to the tweets from http://twitter.com/#!/KohaGBSD (until someone complains about the noise...)
09:28	Brooke	pfft
09:28	Brooke	3 tweetsish a day
09:28	Brooke	noise = bettah then dead in that case.
09:28	magnuse	nope, it will be lots of tweets
09:29	* Brooke	nods.
09:30	Brooke	you should stick your chorewars avatar there instead of the newb egg
09:31	kf	rights
09:31	magnuse	yeah, there is that
09:31	Brooke	rights schmights
09:31	Brooke	asking is generally otay
09:34	* Brooke	coughs.
09:34	Brooke	Can I put my character's profile on a web page?
09:34	Brooke	Sure. You can generate a Character Badge image which you can put on any other site you like, and it'll be updated to show your character's progression through adventures.
09:34	magnuse	but it shouldn't be tied to me...
09:35	magnuse	i found a CC-BY "squash bug" on flickr...
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09:35	rangi	!jenkins build koha_master now
09:35	jenkins_koha	rangi: job koha_master build scheduled now
09:35	jenkins_koha	Starting build 395 for job Koha_master (previous build: ABORTED -- last SUCCESS #385 13 j ago)
09:36	Brooke	is there an image for the koha party?
09:36	Brooke	I bet if you're clever, you can make a background mash for it >:)
09:36	magnuse	don't think so...
09:36	Barrc	Does anyone know if there is some dark art chant needed to add a new SystemPreference through the pref files!! :-)
09:37	Brooke	real Koha is light work, not dark arts. ;)
09:37	* Brooke	mumbles about muggles today...
09:37	magnuse	Barrc: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]system_preference
09:38	kf	Brooke: a character badge shows the stats from chorewars - different use case
09:38	kf	and it links back
09:39	kf	Barrc: there is a document about new sys prefs on the wiki
09:39	kf	system preferences?
09:40	Brooke	anyone know if the new manual is going to add a search sometime soon? that page went up to 3.2
09:40	kf	wahanui: system preferences is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ystem_Preferences
09:40	wahanui	OK, kf.
09:41	Brooke	kf: I'm still betting that if you ask the creator, they'll be cool with it given other responses.
09:41	Barrc	Thanks - I have been reading that, I thought that the new sys pref in, lets say, the admin.pref file would save it to the database, and it does. It just does't insert it correctly!
09:42	Barrc	However, a SQL insert directly works fine
09:42	kf	hm you should also add it to the sys pref sql file
09:42	kf	for new installs and to updatedatabase
09:42	kf	so people get informed about thenew option on update
09:42	huginn	New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6822: fix RIS export from OPAC <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]adc5184b015197826> / Merge remote-tracking branch 'kc/new/bug_6351' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]cfd873b2059206986> / Bug 6351: Cannot delete library-specific holds polices and checkout limits <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/
09:42	Barrc	kf: yep, I will but before that shouldn't just adding it to the admin.pref file be enough? That is, for my own testing?
09:43	kf	never tried it, sorry
09:49	* Brooke	s cat is starting an early, relentless breakfast campaign.
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10:00	magnuse	GBSD#4 just started in Kiribati!
10:00	Brooke	hooray :D
10:01	Brooke	thanks for organising these, Magnus
10:01	magnuse	np
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10:06	* Oak	waves
10:06	Brooke	welcome back
10:08	Oak	:) gracias
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10:21	jenkins_koha	Project Koha_master build #395: STILL UNSTABLE in 45 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/395/
10:21	jenkins_koha	* Chris Cormack: Bug 4330 : Updating copyright statements
10:21	jenkins_koha	* Chris Cormack: Bug 4330 : Updating copyright statements for about.pl
10:21	huginn	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4330 normal, P5, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , Copyright statements out of date
10:21	jenkins_koha	* salvazm: Bug 6727 - Change on exporting and importing csv to deal with spurious CR/LF
10:21	jenkins_koha	* frederick.capovilla: Bug 6690: If multiple issues are received in serials-edit.pl, changing the status of any issue changes the date of the first issue.
10:21	jenkins_koha	* oleonard: Follow-up to Bug 4868, Improve controls for cloning and deleting subfields
10:21	huginn	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6727 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, salva, ASSIGNED , can't import frameworks
10:21	jenkins_koha	* oleonard: Fix for Bug 6695 - Layout of patron category add/edit form slightly broken
10:21	jenkins_koha	* nengard: bug 6538 update letter.pl help file
10:21	jenkins_koha	* colin.campbell: Bug 6562: Silence runtime error in reserve/request.pl
10:21	huginn	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6690 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, fcapovilla, ASSIGNED , If multiple issues are received in serials-edit.pl, changing the status of any issue changes the date of the first issue.
10:21	jenkins_koha	* srdjan: Bug 6721 - improve searching in the acquisitions system
10:21	jenkins_koha	* wvanwanrooij: Bug 6723 : import-framework-crlf
10:21	huginn	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4868 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Improve controls for cloning and deleting MARC subfields
10:21	jenkins_koha	* Chris Cormack: 150th developer!!!
10:21	jenkins_koha	* Chris Cormack: Fixing typo in history doc
10:21	huginn	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6695 trivial, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Layout of patron category add/edit form slightly broken
10:21	jenkins_koha	* oleonard: Follow-up fix for Bug 6726 - When SMS is enabled the messaging table is misaligned
10:21	jenkins_koha	* Chris Cormack: Bug 6748 - Add link to fast add framework while circulating, if a barcode is not found
10:21	huginn	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6538 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED , help on letter.pl is incorrect
10:21	jenkins_koha	* oleonard: Follow-up fix for Bug 6753, Markup corrections and improvements for label export window
10:21	jenkins_koha	* oleonard: Fix for Bug 4893, Add an input field for Check In on main Staff Client page
10:21	huginn	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6562 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, colin.campbell, RESOLVED FIXED, Reserve request generates unnecessary runtime errors
10:21	jenkins_koha	* Chris Cormack: Bug 5866 : Updated patch to speed up holds awaiting pickup
10:21	jenkins_koha	* Chris Cormack: Bumping database version
10:21	huginn	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6721 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , Add Basket number and Invoice number search
10:21	huginn	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6723 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, wvanwanrooij, ASSIGNED , allow framework import with CRLF
10:21	jenkins_koha	* m.de.rooy: 6747 Checks in opac-export
10:21	jenkins_koha	* nengard: Bug 6662: Remove Dewey Specific References in Sort
10:21	huginn	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6726 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , When SMS is enabled the messaging table is misaligned
10:21	huginn	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6748 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, kyle.m.hall, RESOLVED FIXED, Add link to fast add framework while circulating, if a barcode is not found
10:21	jenkins_koha	* oleonard: Fix for Bug 4419 - cannot change module for notice templates
10:21	jenkins_koha	* ulrich.kleiber: Bug 6765: sip2 unicode checksum
10:21	huginn	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6753 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Markup corrections and improvements for label export window
10:21	jenkins_koha	* colin.campbell: Bug 6733 - Change return page after printing routing slip
10:21	jenkins_koha	* oleonard: Fix for Bug 6791 - editing list with apostrophe loses text
10:21	huginn	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4893 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Add an input field for Check In on main Staff Client page
10:21	jenkins_koha	* oleonard: Fix for Bug 6652, Zip showing in funny place on libraries admin
10:21	jenkins_koha	* oleonard: Fix for Bug 6696, New category button broken when no categories defined
10:21	huginn	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5866 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, NEW , At larger hold volume, waitingreserves.pl for all libraries times out, can cause generalized slowness
10:21	jenkins_koha	* oleonard: Fix for Bug 6712 - Remove memberofinstitution markup from templates until it can be completed
10:21	jenkins_koha	* Chris Cormack: Updating about page and history
10:21	huginn	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6662 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED , sort options in opac are dewey specific
10:21	jenkins_koha	* preprod34: Bug 6715 - Fix xmlControlfield.js so the xml files are fetched in the correct language directory.
10:21	jenkins_koha	* Chris Cormack: Bug 6528 : Cataloguing search not showing location for available items
10:21	huginn	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4419 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Cannot change module for notice templates
10:21	jenkins_koha	* Chris Cormack: Bug 5524 : Cant delete list from the second page of lists
10:21	jenkins_koha	* maxime.pelletier: Bug 6794 : Fixing a bug with member flags in IE
10:21	huginn	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6765 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, ulrich.kleiber, NEW , Enable correct checksums for UTF-8 encoded data
10:21	jenkins_koha	* Chris Cormack: Bug 6656 : Fix for advanced search not respecting default sort order
10:21	jenkins_koha	* Chris Cormack: Bug 6704 : Escaping html in the merging records, so " don't break the merge
10:21	huginn	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6733 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, colin.campbell, ASSIGNED , printing routing list sends you to main serials page
10:21	jenkins_koha	Starting build 396 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #385 14 j ago)
10:21	huginn	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6791 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , editing list with apostrophe loses text
10:21	huginn	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6652 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Zip showing in funny place on libraries admin
10:21	huginn	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6696 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , New category button broken when no categories defined
10:21	huginn	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6712 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Remove memberofinstitution markup from templates until it can be completed
10:21	huginn	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6715 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, fcapovilla, ASSIGNED , xmlControlField.js always fetches the value_builder xml files in the "en" directory.
10:21	huginn	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6528 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Cataloging search issues - Holdings not displayed in location column
10:21	huginn	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5524 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , Can't delete list from second page of results
10:21	huginn	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6794 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Broken toggle in member-flags in ie
10:21	huginn	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6656 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , Default sort preferences ignored on advanced search
10:21	huginn	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6704 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , merging records cuts off fields at quotation marks
10:32	huginn	New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6278] Funny translation bug with XSLT subfieldSelect parameters <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6278>
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10:56	Brooke	0/
11:05	jenkins_koha	Project Koha_master build #396: STILL UNSTABLE in 44 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/396/
11:05	jenkins_koha	* ian.walls: Bug 6351: Cannot delete library-specific holds polices and checkout limits
11:05	jenkins_koha	* stevecallender: Bug 6822: fix RIS export from OPAC
11:05	huginn	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6351 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, ruth, ASSIGNED , Cannot delete library-specific circulation rules
11:05	huginn	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6822 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , RIS export problem in opac-export.pl with parsing the MARC
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11:11	rangi	bug 6828 looks good
11:11	huginn	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6828 enhancement, P5, ---, barry, NEW , Add Admin Dashboard for staff users.
11:11	Brooke	this is just furthering my thought that folks are stealing my presentation from out from under me. ;)
11:12	magnuse	rangi: cool
11:12	Brooke	but seriously, at least everyone's thoughts are converging
11:12	Brooke	diverging is no fun
11:13	rangi	be better to present on it already being done :)
11:13	Brooke	indeed
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11:14	Brooke	that looks like a logical list of the guild dropdowns as they would be if one applied them to LIS
11:14	magnuse	"i had this idea and before i knew it someone else had implemented it" is quite a good story too, i think ;-)
11:14	* magnuse	wanders off in search of lunch
11:14	Brooke	which I tell all the time
11:14	Brooke	cause this one time
11:14	Brooke	in Koha
11:15	Brooke	I was all like "We should be able to export MARC records."
11:15	Brooke	and by the end of lunch, we could.
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11:16	Brooke	I LIKE SPACE!
11:17	kf	sounds like a rangi storty
11:17	kf	story
11:19	rangi	you cant blame marc stuff on me
11:19	kf	not trying to
11:19	slef	pondering KohaCon12 in June: opinions? It would be easier to find venue and accommodation in Edinburgh because the big festivals won't be on.
11:19	kf	trying to blame you for a new awesome feature
11:20	kf	slef: no objections from me
11:20	kf	but june 2012 or 13?
11:20	slef	2012
11:20	kf	ok
11:20	kf	no objections then, the sooner I get to see you all again the better :)
11:20	jcamins_away	slef: makes sense to me.
11:21	kf	and edinburgh is cool - I have been there once when visiting friends in scotland :)
11:21	slef	June would also be more daylight and better weather if there's a daytrip... or if you just want to walk up the volcano
11:21	rangi	june is good
11:22	* jcamins_away	has never been to Edinburgh in the autumn, but there's certainly a lot more sunlight in June than in, for example, March.
11:22	slef	rangi escapes the winter
11:22	Brooke	if you are fine cutting the prep time you've got back that far, should be fine
11:22	rangi	yup
11:22	kf	:)
11:22	slef	jcamins_away: Sep is probably similar daylight to March.
11:22	Brooke	mathematically, that'd bear out
11:22	jcamins_away	slef: yeah, that's what I figured.
11:23	slef	Brooke: bizarrely, it might actually move us the right side of a booking horizon and lengthen the prep time.
11:23	Brooke	cross quarters should all have roughly the same daylight
11:24	slef	(as in: might be able to reserve June now, but not Sep until next May... that sort of thing)
11:24	* Brooke	nods.
11:24	rangi	yep, thats often how it works
11:24	rangi	getting a venue is 80% of the organising, the rest it just details :)
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11:25	slef	ok, I've updated the proposals table. I'll dump this back on mle now :)
11:25	Brooke	I don't think any good would come out of bullying you to have it at a time that's inconvenient to you
11:25	Brooke	it'd be like me saying I'm coming over tomorrow and I don't care if you're ready to house me
11:25	kf	june... that's near and still too far away
11:25	slef	I like Sep. Less frying my skin than summer :)
11:25	slef	But it's not slefcon.
11:25	* Brooke	thinks of fried salmon skin...
11:26	rangi	least you have ozone :)
11:26	Brooke	I have enough hot air to fix that rangi ;)
11:26	rangi	hot air is the problem :)
11:27	jcamins_away	Looks like Edinburgh's going to be hosting KohaCon12- no other proposals from Europe!
11:27	rangi	barring a ton of votes for reno, looks that way
11:27	Brooke	nope, but Reno's on the board. I'm supporting Edinburgh though
11:28	kf	oh
11:28	kf	today is deadline
11:28	kf	hope europe gets a ton of votes
11:28	Brooke	phone yer friends :P
11:29	kf	nah, cheating would not be nice
11:29	Brooke	voting isn't cheating. If they show up, it counts :D
11:29	slef	hrm, what does the deadline mean? Should I have not updated the date?
11:29	Brooke	now if you pay them to vote for you, and they've no intent to go, that'd be cheating.
11:29	Oak	:)
11:30	slef	my mistake... I thought the meeting was the deadline and didn't look.
11:30	Brooke	that deadline to me is put in a bid or you don't get to be on the ballot
11:30	Brooke	so you're making your own hard mode
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11:30	druthb	o/
11:30	Brooke	0/
11:30	druthb	:)
11:30	Oak	o/
11:30	kf	hi druthb
11:30	slef	v_o_v
11:30	Brooke	0/ <--- tall poppy
11:31	* druthb	chuckles.
11:31	slef	v_o_v <-- nasty, British and short
11:31	druthb	cool, pretty misty-foggy morning here in south dakota today. :)
11:32	slef	oh yeah... I know what may confuse you if you come to Edinburgh... my Scottish-sounding colleague is not the one based there :)
11:34	Brooke	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCrT96QJBfQ
11:34	Brooke	hadddd dtoooooo
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11:38	slef	http://youtube.com/watch?v=Nrmcxa1yBec
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12:47	huginn	New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6829] Remove two warnings for opac-MARCdetail <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6829>
12:55	oleonard	I think the answer to this question is "not since Koha 1.x," but here goes:
12:55	oleonard	Is there a way to set up a branch so that it doesn't show up as an option in OPAC searches, login forms, etc?
12:55	oleonard	I got a question about setting up a "Cataloging/In-processing" branch
12:57	kf	I talked to sekjal about this
12:57	kf	I don't think it's possible currently
12:58	kf	using jquery you could kill it from some places I think.. and you could suppress the titles with opac suppression perhaps
12:58	kf	hmm
13:00	kf	another question: we see a problem with allowonshelfholds in 3.4.4 - one book checked out, one book on shelf, no on self holds allowed, but still you can place a hold in opac
13:00	kf	I think this was different in other versions
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13:07	huginn	New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6829] Remove two warnings for opac-MARCdetail <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6829>
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13:25	oleonard	kf, I though I'd try to hit Bug 6458 again today. Is there anything you'd like to claim?
13:25	huginn	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6458 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, ASSIGNED , incorrect parsing result in translation processing
13:27	kf	oleonard: no - you can pick whatever you want :)
13:27	kf	I will try to work a bit on it this evening
13:27	* oleonard	thinks he'll have a little time for it today
13:30	kf	oleonard: I want to fix the suggestions patch
13:30	kf	very unhappy I missed the scoping thing
13:30	kf	but if you want to fix it too - I will sign-off
13:32	oleonard	I don't know what you're talking about
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13:35	oleonard	Hi LBA
13:36	* magnuse	thinks kf was thinking about comment #60: http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]g.cgi?id=6458#c60
13:36	huginn	Bug 6458: normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, ASSIGNED , incorrect parsing result in translation processing
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13:39	oleonard	Thanks magnuse, I hadn't seen that
13:39	kf	yep, sorry
13:39	kf	was checking something with a coworker
13:58	wizzyrea	mornin
13:59	kf	morning wizzy
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14:02	oleonard	Hi sekjal & wizzyrea
14:02	sekjal	hi, oleonard
14:02	wizzyrea	hiya oleonard
14:03	sekjal	sorry, gtg, car is ready to pick up.
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14:03	wizzyrea	gl... lordie he's fast.
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14:35	trea	The overdue/fine/hold ready notices that koha sends - there is not a method currently to specify a custom "Reply-To" email in the notices module, correct?
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14:36	trea	aside from setting one in the body of the message itself.
14:37	wizzyrea	Well, it's not in the notices module, but you can set a custom library email address in the library definition
14:37	kf	hm
14:37	kf	shouldn't it use the mail it was send from?
14:37	wizzyrea	and i believe that's the reply to for all notices
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14:39	wizzyrea	that's in more -> administration -> libraries, branches and groups
14:39	hdl	trea: you could also add some automatic cc
14:39	hdl	with Mail::Sendmail
14:40	hdl	But this is not what I would recommend.
14:40	jcamins_away	How do you add a T::T variable?
14:40	jcamins_away	s/variable/parameter/
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14:42	jcamins_away	$template->param?
14:42	wahanui	$template->param is a h::t::p things
14:42	wizzyrea	no, it's got a different construction
14:42	wizzyrea	sec
14:43	jcamins_away	I had a feeling.
14:43	wizzyrea	rangi's said it a zillion times in channel
14:43	jcamins_away	I know.
14:43	jcamins_away	Unfortunately, I can't come up with how to find the answer.
14:44	wizzyrea	$template->{VARS}->{'name'}=$var;
14:44	wizzyrea	i had to look it up in the logs lol
14:44	jcamins_away	Thanks.
14:44	wizzyrea	yw :)
14:44	kf	template var is $template->{VARS}->{'name'}=$var;
14:44	kf	template var
14:44	wahanui	template var is $template->{VARS}->{'name'}=$var;
14:44	wizzyrea	kf++
14:44	wizzyrea	teaching_the_bot_useful_things++
14:45	hdl	see in C4::Templates
14:45	kf	bye all
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14:45	wizzyrea	later kf
14:48	hdl	bye
14:48	wizzyrea	later hdl
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15:09	libsysguy	morning #Koha
15:09	trea	o/
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15:18	rhcl	Hi libsysguy
15:19	libsysguy	hi rhcl
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15:25	libsysguy	so can anybody comment on Koha and Solr? I'm really interested in trying it out.
15:25	wizzyrea	would anyone object if I changed the default sorting on the saved reports page from numeric by author to numeric by id?
15:25	wizzyrea	you just missed hdl
15:25	libsysguy	dang it
15:25	wizzyrea	it's driving me NUTS
15:25	libsysguy	the sorting?
15:25	wizzyrea	yes
15:25	libsysguy	i have no objections
15:25	libsysguy	but I don't really use reports all that much
15:26	libsysguy	would it be possible to variable-ize it in a drop down
15:26	wizzyrea	all columns are sortable
15:26	wizzyrea	it just makes me crazy to have to click on ID every time
15:26	libsysguy	gotcha...so just changing the default
15:26	wizzyrea	right
15:27	libsysguy	wouldn't hurt my feelings so much...but like i said...im not a power user there
15:27	* wizzyrea	will think about it
15:27	wizzyrea	(someone probably explicitly chose the numeric by author explicitly)
15:28	wizzyrea	do you think I could use the word explicitly any more?
15:28	* wizzyrea	sighs
15:28	wizzyrea	I blame the snot.
15:28	libsysguy	eww snot?
15:28	libsysguy	gross wizzyrea
15:28	oleonard	Let it never be said that wizzyrea is not explicit.
15:28	wizzyrea	summer cold. :(
15:28	* wizzyrea	giggles
15:28	oleonard	wizzyrea: That's a back-to-school cold.
15:29	wizzyrea	oleonard: ah, is that what that is?
15:29	wizzyrea	I take it you have experience
15:29	oleonard	Back to school is one big germ orgy. It's horrible to behold.
15:29	wizzyrea	"germ orgy"
15:29	libsysguy	yeah I will contest to that
15:30	wizzyrea	that's a fabulous mental image.
15:30	libsysguy	i guess that is slightly different when you get to college
15:30	* libsysguy	shall not say any more about that
15:30	wizzyrea	O.o
15:30	libsysguy	hehe
15:30	wizzyrea	I won't even ask what kind of germs you are passing around.
15:31	libsysguy	not me...what do you think i go to texas tech or something
15:31	wizzyrea	OHSNAP
15:31	libsysguy	BURN
15:31	wizzyrea	won't offend me, I didn't go to Texas Tech.
15:31	wizzyrea	>.>
15:32	libsysguy	<.<
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15:47	libsysguy	can somebody verify if the shipment date field is broken in acqui/parcels.pl
15:47	wizzyrea	broken how?
15:47	libsysguy	like it always sets to today
15:48	libsysguy	even if you select something else
15:48	libsysguy	im wondering if it is hourly that is breaking it since im still on that branch or if its actually broken
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16:05	sekjal	anyone here have an opinion on the value of Rebarcoding Tool for Koha?
16:05	wizzyrea	explain
16:05	wizzyrea	what does it do exactly
16:05	sekjal	a tool for making the rebarcoding of items as easy as possible
16:06	wizzyrea	so say, scan a barcode, scan the new barcode, done
16:06	wizzyrea	sort of thing
16:06	sekjal	imagine a collection of 20,000 items, needing to go from 6-digit barcodes to 14-digit (so they could join the state system, say)
16:06	sekjal	wizzyrea: exactly that workflow, yes
16:06	wizzyrea	I love it.
16:07	wizzyrea	it has relatively limited usefulness for day to day
16:07	wizzyrea	but when you need it
16:07	wizzyrea	boy
16:07	wizzyrea	it'd be handy
16:07	sekjal	and ideally it would be something that could eventually be made mobile and linked to a smartphone's barcode scanner app
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16:08	wizzyrea	or at least the page it's on would be extremely mobile friendly
16:09	sekjal	it doesn't strike me as a terribly hard thing to write
16:10	sekjal	permissions control and security would be the trickiest part, I reckon
16:10	wizzyrea	well no
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16:34	rhcl	back to school?
16:34	wahanui	i heard back to school was one big germ orgy. It's horrible to behold.
16:36	rhcl	did I go to texas tech? sounds familiar. No, think it was Tx State Tech College(?). I've attended lots of places.
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16:44	libsysguy_afk	you went to texas state rhcl?
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16:46	libsysguy	wizzyrea: i went and talked to our acquisitions librarian and she said it wasn't broken just not doing what she wanted...thats what I get for trusting second hand information
16:47	rhcl	I went to Angelo State University for a while, and somewhere else--TSTI sounds familiar. Texas State Tech Institute maybe? Is that a college w/ a branch in San Angelo?
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16:48	libsysguy	maybe...i just have some friends that go to texas state
16:51	wizzyrea	I seriously want to know what my coworkers do to rechargeable batteries.
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17:46	* cait	waves
17:46	wizzyrea	hi cait :D
17:46	cait	hi liz :)
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17:54	trea	hi cait
17:56	cait	hi trea
18:05	rangi	who wants to do me a flavour?
18:05	wizzyrea	what's the flavour?
18:05	rangi	bug 6292
18:05	huginn	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6292 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , Overdue notices have a bug when multiple overdues exist
18:05	cait	vanilla?
18:06	rangi	theres one followup patch on that, awaiting sign off still
18:06	cait	I can do it
18:06	cait	i signed offon the first
18:06	rangi	yay
18:06	wizzyrea	cait++
18:07	wizzyrea	plus, you have a plan, so that helps :)
18:07	cait	karma after the job is done liz:)
18:07	wahanui	after the job is done liz:) has neutral karma
18:07	cait	lol
18:07	rangi	cos i just replied to someones email and said today is gbsd
18:07	wizzyrea	! no wai
18:07	cait	yes itis
18:07	cait	today
18:07	rangi	so it will look cool if we can then go look its squashed
18:07	cait	in kiribati and nz
18:07	wizzyrea	o right lol
18:08	wizzyrea	well I meant "no way you get karma for volunteering, and because you already have a plan in place to test it"
18:08	wizzyrea	:P
18:08	wizzyrea	you can have MORE karma when the job is done
18:08	wizzyrea	mooooaarrrr
18:08	rangi	fredericd: you around?
18:08	wizzyrea	<.< I might be feeling silly >.>
18:09	cait	rangi: but I think the mail thing should be a different bug perhaps
18:09	cait	not easy to tell, notenough information
18:09	rangi	the follow up one?
18:10	cait	both have not been pushed yet
18:10	cait	ah
18:10	rangi	@later tell fredericd you should set innodb_file_per_table in you my.cnf, then you can reclaim space
18:10	huginn	rangi: The operation succeeded.
18:10	rangi	theres 3 :)
18:10	cait	the mail you replied to - hard to tell from the description ther eif that's really the problem with it
18:10	cait	could also be it's assigned to a patron category that has no overudes activated
18:11	rangi	none have been pushed becase the third patch hasnt been signed off
18:11	rangi	yup, you could reply and say that too
18:11	cait	sorry for being misunderstandable :)
18:11	rangi	im just using it as an advertisement for gbsd
18:13	cait	and making me do the hard part :P
18:13	* cait	starts the bug sqashing play list
18:14	wizzyrea	hehe
18:17	rangi	:)
18:17	rangi	ill make a new one when i get into work in a couple of hours
18:17	rangi	to make up for it
18:18	rangi	oh and congrats trea :)
18:19	trea	thanks rangi - good to see you again
18:19	rangi	im still winning! http://div.libriotech.no/koham[…]ystatus-gbsd4.txt
18:19	rangi	hehe
18:20	wizzyrea	lol you're in the future!
18:20	wizzyrea	I guess that means it's over for you first too though ;)
18:20	rangi	yup
18:20	rangi	i cheated, and started on kiribati time
18:21	rangi	not sure ill get to do too much at work
18:21	rangi	since i have 3 days of work piled up
18:21	wizzyrea	vacation?
18:21	rangi	nope, been sick
18:21	wizzyrea	:( that sucks
18:21	cait	and I hope you don't plan to do all that work today!
18:21	wizzyrea	^^
18:21	rangi	im planning to send it all to you actually cait
18:22	rangi	:)
18:22	cait	hmpf?!
18:22	rangi	want a job?
18:22	rangi	project manager?
18:22	rangi	:)
18:22	cait	um
18:22	wizzyrea	of course she does!
18:22	wizzyrea	^.^
18:23	rangi	actually i have a few people to chase up about that today
18:23	rangi	one of my tasks
18:23	* cait	is confused
18:25	rangi	completely offtopic
18:25	rangi	but cool
18:25	rangi	http://www.fsf.org/patrons
18:25	wizzyrea	i saw that, awesome
18:27	rangi	https://my.fsf.org/associate/s[…]dom?referrer=9619
18:27	rangi	if you join from there, thats my referral number :)
18:27	rangi	hint hint
18:27	rangi	hehe
18:28	wizzyrea	lol
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18:44	rangi	ohh new channel peak
18:44	rangi	Peak for #koha 61 (Fri Sep 2 02:00:33 2011)
18:44	rangi	(nz time)
18:44	cait	hehe you love stats
18:44	rangi	i do
18:54	indradg	hi rangi cait wizzyrea :)
18:54	rangi	hi indradg
18:54	cait	hi indradg
18:55	wizzyrea	indradg: hi there :)
18:55	indradg	so you people have tickets in place to visit india?
18:56	rangi	i have 2 other conferences on at the same time
18:56	indradg	rangi, i remember you telling me that
18:56	rangi	one in canada, then the big nz library conference in wellington
18:56	rangi	but ill be phoning in a presentation
18:56	cait	I am not going this year, but hopefully next year
18:56	indradg	\m/
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19:11	rangi	indradg: hows west bengal going?
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19:14	talljoy	when running the bukmarcimport for authority records, what is best field to use for matching authority records? 010 (library of congress control number)
19:14	aarkerio	hi! somebody knows if Koha support National Library of Medicine (NLM) Classification Scheme ?
19:15	indradg	rangi, the systems have been deployed at 170 town libs... we are in the middle of an OS refresh, and I'm trying to convince an upgrade to 3.4 from 3.2.6
19:17	indradg	rangi, i didn't submit any "paper" for the KohaCon CfP, will be sharing the inputs during BoFs I'm sure.
19:18	cait	aarkerio: you can catalog the field in marc21 - but I am not sure if it shows up in detail screens. It shows in isbd afaik
19:18	cait	aarkerio: having authorities for it should be possible by creating a new framework and linking it to the field
19:18	indradg	this project has taught us a lot... the real stumbling blocks in a 100% FS deployment
19:19	rangi	nod
19:19	rangi	170 is no small number
19:22	rangi	indradg: we got told that 'deploying koha to 25 libraries in nz would be too big for koha'
19:22	rangi	so id love to point them at something saying look, heres 170
19:22	rangi	stop talking rubbish :)
19:23	* rangi	goes to catch his bus
19:26	trea	are koha usernames (web interface) case sensitive?
19:26	indradg	trea yes
19:26	trea	ty
19:26	indradg	:)
19:28	aarkerio	this is still a validate page?
19:28	aarkerio	http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd060.html
19:35	talljoy	aarkerio: It is still valid if the LOC has it in the files. I have not seen it in use in the libraries I
19:35	talljoy	I've seen. You may try email the list to see if anyone else is using it.
19:36	talljoy	http://www.oclc.org/bibformats/en/0xx/ OCLC also show that as a field in the marc record.
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19:38	Brooke	kia ora
19:38	wizzyrea	whaddup brooke
19:38	Brooke	yo yo yo NEKLS in the hizzouse!
19:40	* Brooke	definitely didn't watch Margaret Cho instead of working on her preso.
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19:44	rangi	Back
19:45	cait	:)
19:45	talljoy	:)
19:45	talljoy	has anyone used bulkmarcimport with matching? is this asking for a specific match point? incoming record matched to a specific existing record?
19:46	rangi	from the commandline?
19:46	rangi	not me
19:46	talljoy	perl ~/kohaclone/misc/migration_tools/bulkmarcimport.pl -a -file GODDALL.279 -match='010,a' -v results in:
19:46	cait	I think we use the other scripts, for staged marc import
19:46	cait	so no
19:47	rangi	I do that from the stage marc records
19:47	talljoy	unable to search the database for duplicates : No query entered at /home/load07/kohaclone/misc/migration_tools/bulkmarcimport.pl line 217, <GEN15> line 1.
19:47	rangi	gimme 40mins
19:47	rangi	and ill be at my computer
19:47	rangi	and ill look at the code
19:47	talljoy	thanks. will table this issue and work on another.
19:47	talljoy	rangi++
19:48	aarkerio	talljoy, thx!
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19:53	rangi	@wunder wellington nz
19:53	huginn	rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 7.0ï¿½C (7:00 AM NZST on September 02, 2011). Conditions: Rain Showers. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 4.0ï¿½C. Windchill: 3.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Rising).
19:53	Brooke	I would claim taunting, but that's some crap weather ye're havin
19:53	rangi	southerly
19:56	wizzyrea	brr
19:56	aarkerio	I ,ma new in Koha, I see "Availability: No items available" in all search results books
19:57	rangi	what version?
19:57	rangi	and you definitely have items?
19:58	aarkerio	http://decodic.incan.edu.mx/cg[…]earch.pl?q=cancer
19:58	rangi	what version of koha?
19:59	cait	@wunder konstanz
19:59	wizzyrea	searching faq?
19:59	huginn	cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 17.1ï¿½C (9:58 PM CEST on September 01, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 14.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 29.93 in 1013.4 hPa (Steady).
19:59	wahanui	rumour has it searching faq is at http://koha-community.org/docu[…]on/faq/searching/
19:59	Brooke	oh that's interesting. They are available from the details screen...
19:59	wizzyrea	nod I was noting that
19:59	rangi	yep
20:00	aarkerio	this is the item: http://mononeurona.org/img/img[…]aarkerio_2271.png
20:00	rangi	which means its most like an indexing thing
20:00	rangi	make sure you are running zebra
20:00	aarkerio	Koha version:3.04.02.000
20:00	wizzyrea	well it brought back results
20:00	rangi	yes
20:00	rangi	so does nozebra
20:00	rangi	but not items
20:01	wizzyrea	but right, if zebra isn't running it wouldn't catch it if he added items after the initial index
20:01	rangi	or if using nozebra then it never will
20:01	wizzyrea	aarkerio: are you running in nozebra?
20:01	wizzyrea	aside, I thought we took away that option
20:02	wizzyrea	for new installs.
20:02	Brooke	(It's nearly dead.)
20:02	rangi	we did, but if u upgraded
20:02	rangi	or went in sysprefs
20:03	rangi	but my guess is either the cronjob isn't running or nozebra mode
20:03	aarkerio	No I running Zebra, I have one item and is listed in search
20:03	rangi	oh oh
20:03	rangi	so items are showing then?
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20:04	hguewmLibrarian	Good Day
20:04	wizzyrea	hi :)
20:04	aarkerio	yes, you can see items in OPAC but also "Availability: No items available"
20:04	aarkerio	hola!
20:04	cait	hi hguewmLibrarian
20:05	hguewmLibrarian	So i'm trying to hunt down records that have NULL for item type; because they're avoiding the overdue trigger. Is there an easy way to do this?
20:05	hguewmLibrarian	hey cait!
20:05	cait	:)
20:05	cait	I would try a custom report
20:05	rangi	aarkerio: do you have xslt switched on?
20:06	wizzyrea	http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ry#Null_Item_Type
20:06	wizzyrea	try that report hguewmLibrarian
20:06	cait	:)
20:06	hguewmLibrarian	okie dokie!
20:06	wizzyrea	you know how to add a report from sql right?
20:07	aarkerio	rangi, thanks for your help, wher can I if check XSLT is off?
20:07	rangi	in systempreferences in opac tab
20:07	hguewmLibrarian	yup, most definitely Wizzy
20:07	wizzyrea	awesomesauce
20:07	rangi	if changing that fixes it, I think its a index problem
20:08	rangi	so try a full reindex
20:08	aarkerio	DisplayOPACiconsXSLT = Show
20:10	rangi	ok my stop
20:10	rangi	bbiab
20:10	hguewmLibrarian	so.. I add it, run it and get blank table. I'm betting it's whitespace error....
20:11	wizzyrea	XSLTResultsDisplay is what you're looking for aarkerio
20:11	cait	have yo changed the items.homebranch bit?
20:11	wizzyrea	if it's on "using XSLT stylesheets" change it to "normal"
20:11	cait	hguewmLibrarian: AND items.homebranch='LIBRARY'?
20:12	hguewmLibrarian	? nope... can it be ANY?
20:12	wizzyrea	OPACXSLT i mean
20:12	aarkerio	Works!! this thing is great!
20:12	wizzyrea	no, just get rid of that bit
20:12	aarkerio	thanks guys!
20:12	wizzyrea	yw aarkerio
20:12	wizzyrea	but seriously, reindex :P
20:12	cait	hguewmLibrarian: what wizzyrea said - delete it if you don't want to run it for a specific library
20:13	hguewmLibrarian	yup yup! geniuses!
20:13	hguewmLibrarian	it works now
20:13	cait	:)
20:13	hguewmLibrarian	muchas gracias
20:13	wizzyrea	yw
20:13	hguewmLibrarian	this is definitely the place where the koha ninja guru live
20:13	wizzyrea	tee hee
20:13	Brooke	don't tell anyone
20:14	wizzyrea	^^
20:14	cait	and soon you will be a koha ninja guru too :)
20:14	Brooke	liz likes her foggy mountain retreat.
20:14	wizzyrea	... but I live in kansas?
20:14	wizzyrea	no foggy mountains in kansas, silly.
20:14	hguewmLibrarian	no... this grasshopper has many many more lessons before guru status
20:14	cait	retreat in a field of sunflowers?
20:14	wizzyrea	see, cait knows. :)
20:14	cait	:)
20:15	hguewmLibrarian	ah... true kansas ninja can run/hide in cornfield w/o getting a scratch!
20:15	cait	and without sneezing from hay fever
20:15	hguewmLibrarian	how about.. without detection!
20:15	pelletiermaxime	Has someone ever changed the value of an existing branches.branchcode ? Trying to look at what it would break
20:15	cait	I have.. but it's not nice
20:16	cait	you might be better off creating a new branch and changing the items to use that, but means creating new rules and everything too
20:16	wizzyrea	this is as close to foggy mountains as you'll get in kansas: http://www.prairiepathways.com[…]_and_fence_bw.jpg
20:17	cait	nice pic!
20:17	hguewmLibrarian	eh, come to Fresno, CA.. we'll hide you in the fog banks
20:17	pelletiermaxime	sure wish there was a simple int pk in that table :/
20:17	hguewmLibrarian	OK followup Question: Is there a simple way change the item types of these records to BK (Book)?
20:18	wizzyrea	yep
20:18	wizzyrea	you can use the batch edit
20:18	hguewmLibrarian	enlighten me oh wise one
20:18	hguewmLibrarian	what is this batch edit thou dost speak
20:18	cait	pelletiermaxime: why do you need to change it?
20:18	wizzyrea	more -> tools -> batch idem modification
20:18	cait	pelletiermaxime: an int pk would make sql queries harder
20:18	wizzyrea	idem? sheesh
20:19	wizzyrea	item*
20:19	pelletiermaxime	cait: because the client is asking to change it :/
20:19	cait	that's why we don't let our customers select their branchcodes
20:19	cait	we use their ISIL
20:19	hguewmLibrarian	okie -> what now?
20:20	wizzyrea	so now
20:20	wizzyrea	you can modify your report to pull only barcodes
20:20	cait	hguewmLibrarian: I think you might want to get a barcode list with the report first
20:20	wizzyrea	and save them to a file, one on each line
20:20	wizzyrea	or paste them into the box, one on each line
20:20	wizzyrea	then click continue
20:20	cait	pelletiermaxime: is the library already in production?
20:20	hguewmLibrarian	sifting
20:20	pelletiermaxime	cait: yes
20:21	slef	yo pelletiermaxime catch you later :)
20:21	* slef	goes to dinner
20:21	cait	in theory, you need to change at least: branches, items, issuingrules, perhaps issues/reserves, ...
20:21	slef	slef?
20:21	wahanui	you are a proponent of all things cooperative
20:21	slef	heh
20:21	cait	the only time I did it was for a library not having checked out anything yet
20:22	cait	we got a space before the branchcode accidently, which caused lots of problems
20:22	wizzyrea	report like this hguewmLibrarian: SELECT items.barcode
20:22	wizzyrea	FROM items
20:22	wizzyrea	WHERE items.itype IS NULL
20:22	pelletiermaxime	cait: ok, thanks for the help. I'm going to try as hard as I can to tell them it's not a good idea :P
20:22	wizzyrea	oops, sorry
20:22	cait	pelletiermaxime: possible is everything, but I think it's probably easy to miss something here
20:22	wizzyrea	make that SELECT items.barcode FROM items WHERE items.itype IS NULL
20:22	wizzyrea	should spit them all out for you
20:23	rangi	pelletiermaxime: the places likely to be missed, that arent foreign keyed would be accountlines and statistics
20:23	rangi	its doable, but like people have said, could be messy
20:23	* hguewmLibrarian	modified the first one to show the barcodes... but yeah gonna use the second solution
20:24	wizzyrea	I think if you save the output of the report as tab, you can use that as your barcode file
20:24	wizzyrea	(but I've never tried it)
20:24	rangi	so aarkerio is from mexico, where is mr brunk from i wonder?
20:25	cait	or download open in excel and copy/paste
20:25	wizzyrea	^^
20:25	hguewmLibrarian	senor brunk aprendi espanol en las calles de un pequeno ciudad nombrado chicago
20:25	rangi	s/excel/[libreoffice\|gnumeric]/
20:25	cait	ah sorry
20:25	rangi	:)
20:26	hguewmLibrarian	does that help rangi?
20:27	* wizzyrea	thinks of excel like fridge - the originally corporate name for the now generic construct of "spreadsheet program"
20:27	hguewmLibrarian	mi ortografia y gramatica, pues no merece buenas marcas
20:27		magnus_afk is now known as magnus_away
20:27	rangi	hguewmLibrarian: nope, cos im from nz and speak maori and english, no espanol :)
20:27	Brooke	He's from Chitown
20:27	rangi	but i got the chicago bit
20:28	Brooke	get us da sausage!
20:28	wizzyrea	and the pizza.
20:28	hguewmLibrarian	i learned spanish on the streets
20:28	* wizzyrea	demands pizza.
20:28	Brooke	dude
20:28	wizzyrea	i tease.
20:28	Brooke	you go to Champaign for Pizza.
20:28	hguewmLibrarian	even after a bachelors in spanish, they couldn't fix my grammar
20:28	wizzyrea	whatevs.
20:28	Brooke	I will learn you pizza!
20:29	wizzyrea	i'm not uh, perhaps as much of a pizza connisseur as you.
20:29	hguewmLibrarian	pizza the hutt!
20:29	hguewmLibrarian	maybe a cat named pizza
20:29	wizzyrea	i like cheese, does that count?
20:29	wizzyrea	^.^
20:29	cait	hm
20:29	aarkerio	when I am capturing ISBN is better 84-7903-706-7 or 8479037067 ?
20:29	cait	need some help: Several letters where generated if a borrower had overdues with different due_date triggering the same level
20:29	wizzyrea	no dashes is better
20:29	rangi	the later
20:29	wahanui	hmmm... the later is better
20:29	rangi	latter even
20:30	aarkerio	cool!
20:30	cait	how could 2 iems with different due dates trigger the same notice level?
20:30	wizzyrea	different dates but in the same range?
20:30	* hguewmLibrarian	bows to koha ninja gurus
20:30	cait	oh
20:30	wizzyrea	for notice?
20:30	hguewmLibrarian	works like magic!
20:30	rangi	cait: that was part of the bug
20:30	cait	not using triggered perhaps?
20:31	wizzyrea	what's the number again?
20:31	cait	there is no range actually
20:31	rangi	it used to just use the latest one
20:31	cait	but 6292
20:31	cait	which is wat is confusing me
20:31	cait	rangi: I know - I complained about that often enough :)
20:31	Brooke	bug 6292
20:31		talljoy_away is now known as talljoy
20:31	huginn	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6292 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , Overdue notices have a bug when multiple overdues exist
20:31	rangi	:)
20:31	rangi	so much that i fixed it
20:31	cait	I am trying to figure out how to test the lates fix from sophie
20:31	rangi	the squeaky wheel and all that
20:32	cait	you call a squeaky wheel?
20:32	cait	and I thought one of your libraries complained about it too... :)
20:32	rangi	its a saying
20:32	rangi	'a squeaky wheel gets the grease'
20:32	rangi	yep plant and food complained
20:33	cait	plant_and_food++
20:33	cait	ok, back to my problem
20:33	cait	I don't understand the case sophie is trying to fix
20:33	wizzyrea	ok wait, is her latest patch saying that a member won't get 2 notices if they have 2 overdue items that are not on the same date? I thought that was desired behavior, one notice for each overdue item
20:33	cait	because items with different due dates can't be in the same range
20:33	cait	because we have a one day range with notice triggers
20:34	rangi	yeah,
20:34	rangi	im puzzled too
20:34	cait	hehe
20:34	rangi	sorry, i shoulda read it more
20:34	wizzyrea	i'm so confused.
20:34	hguewmLibrarian	sweet! i answered my own question!
20:34	hguewmLibrarian	i forgot to account for a graceperiod
20:35	wizzyrea	what's the rank below "ninja guru"
20:35	hguewmLibrarian	much thanks again
20:35	hguewmLibrarian	toadstool?
20:35	Brooke	figgerinityerself++
20:35	wizzyrea	uh
20:35	wizzyrea	lol
20:35	talljoy	i step out for a few minutes and koha goes to town. :)
20:35	Brooke	shhhhh
20:35	wizzyrea	the party always starts when rangi gets here
20:35	rangi	oh thats right
20:35	Brooke	u guise, she's back.
20:35	wizzyrea	and brooke
20:35	rangi	i was gonna look up somethign for talljoy
20:35	aarkerio	BTW, why when I am capturing a title must end with "/"
20:35	talljoy	yes, please.
20:36	wizzyrea	that's ISBD punctuation
20:36	talljoy	bulkmarcimport for authorities and matching!
20:36	rangi	talljoy: master branch?
20:36	talljoy	yes
20:36	talljoy	always. ;-)
20:36	* hguewmLibrarian	poofs
20:36	rangi	looking now
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20:37	cait	aarkerio: there is not really a reasonable reason for it. it's in the standard...
20:37	sekjal	that latest patch on 6292 looks wrong
20:37	Brooke	the answer is always cataloguers were potty trained at gunpoint.
20:38	rangi	thanks sekjal
20:38	aarkerio	I see when I import from Lib Congress auotmatically set "/" after title in MARC
20:38	sekjal	it's adding a new value in the select in one part, but then removing that value in the fetchrow
20:38	sekjal	err, no
20:38	sekjal	my bad
20:39	sekjal	but I still don't understand what it's supposed to accomplish
20:39	cait	rangi: left a commenton the bug
20:39	sekjal	perhaps it only works without the -t flag?
20:39	rangi	thanks people
20:40	cait	sekjal: I think that might be it - but without -t - are there levels?
20:40	sekjal	cait: not sure, we always run with -t
20:40	cait	I thought you give it only a min max and it will output everything in there
20:41	cait	yep, we do that too
20:42	rangi	talljoy have you tried -match=010a
20:42	rangi	without the '' or ,
20:42	talljoy	yes
20:43	cait	sekjal: I am really looking to see that fix go in, it's really hard to explain the current behaviour to the libraries
20:43	talljoy	.Use of uninitialized value $recorddata in pattern match (m//) at /home/load07/kohaclone/misc/migration_tools/bulkmarcimport.pl line 392, <GEN15> line 1.
20:43	talljoy	unable to search the database for duplicates : No query entered at /home/load07/kohaclone/misc/migration_tools/bulkmarcimport.pl line 217, <GEN15> line 1.
20:43	cait	sekjal: and if someone could make the notice triggers follow the calendar.. it would be even better :)
20:44	sekjal	cait: as libsysguy was saying on list, the whole system needs an overhaul
20:44	cait	I agree
20:44	cait	but overhauls take time
20:44	sekjal	very true
20:44	rangi	hmmm
20:45	sekjal	it's one of the things I'd like to define Koha 4.0
20:45	cait	uhoh rangi is hmming
20:45	cait	new accounts will be a good first step
20:45	cait	because fines are also involved in that
20:45	rangi	i have to go read some perl doc
20:47	libsysguy	oh hey my name came up
20:47	libsysguy	yeah I started the wiki for that but it is in some desperate need of formatting
20:48	Brooke	did someone say wiki jiggering?
20:48	wizzyrea	uhoh rangi?
20:48	wahanui	somebody said uhoh rangi was hmming
20:48	wizzyrea	LOL
20:49	rangi	right the pod is wrong
20:50	rangi	you have to pass it an index
20:50	rangi	matchindex,fieldtomatch
20:51	talljoy	i couldn't figure out what it was asking me for there.
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20:51	talljoy	what is it considering a 'matchindex'?
20:51	rangi	so whats the index on 010 i wonder
20:51	rangi	lemme look
20:51	sekjal	shouldn't bulkmarcimport just use matching rules?
20:51	rangi	it should
20:51	sekjal	that would be much more robust
20:51	rangi	it doesnt
20:51	sekjal	well..... it should!
20:51	rangi	which is why i use stage marc import
20:51	* sekjal	pouts
20:52	sekjal	sorry, long day
20:52	cait	talljoy: the name of the zebraindex
20:52	wizzyrea	he's so cute when he does that.
20:52	cait	hehe
20:52	cait	never seen him oding it before, but yes
20:52	cait	sekjal: I know how you feel
20:52	wizzyrea	stick your lip out like that and a little birdie will come along and poo on it!
20:52	rangi	LC-card-number
20:53	rangi	looks like it
20:53	rangi	try
20:53	wizzyrea	did you laugh? tell me you laughed.
20:53	rangi	LC-card-number,010
20:54	* sekjal	is trying to do a serials migration when there is no reliable mapping from old biblio ID to new
20:54	sekjal	laughter is a ways off
20:54	cait	libsysguy: I am interested in talking about the notification rfc - I have lots of complaints about the way thinks are currently
20:54	wizzyrea	:(
20:54	talljoy	ok...let me fire that up.
20:55	talljoy	rangi: it likes that much better. it is chugging along through the file now.
20:55	talljoy	thanks!
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20:56	sekjal	okay, gtg. probably back later
20:56	hilongo	Hello #koha :)
20:56		sekjal left #koha
20:57	rangi	hiya hilongo
20:58	hilongo	how's the channel doing ;)
20:58	hilongo	I have a small question ...
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20:59	rangi	larry didnt want to hear it
21:00	wizzyrea	lulz
21:00	wizzyrea	east coast quittin' time
21:00	hilongo	Is there a way to autofill a MARC field upon saving the record? Explain: We would like to autogenerate the 001 field's value with the biblionumber
21:00	wizzyrea	@quote get 123
21:00	huginn	wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
21:00	* wizzyrea	nods
21:01	rangi	you could write a plugin, like we have for leader and 007 etc
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21:02	hilongo	yeah .. I thought that ... but when you create a biblio... there is no biblionumber to assign yet...
21:02	libsysguy	cait we are too
21:02	rangi	true good point
21:02	rangi	youd have to hack at the save code then
21:02	libsysguy	I just don't know how to meet about it...first timer on big project development
21:02	hilongo	so it should be activated upon saving the record
21:02	libsysguy	with a distributed group
21:03	rangi	libsysguy: call a meeting time on the mailing list, say 2pm such and such on irc to talk about blah
21:03	cait	we could have an irc meeting
21:03	cait	but perhaps cleaning up the wiki page would be a good start too
21:03	cait	going to take a look at it now
21:04	rangi	hilongo: you'd need to do it with a systemprefernce, so you could upstream it, otherwise youd have to keep remaking the change
21:04	libsysguy	eek cait don't make fun
21:04	cait	libsysguy: do you see the way fines are calculated as part of the notification system?
21:04	libsysguy	i see the fines script
21:04	cait	make fun about ?
21:04	libsysguy	the wiki rfc page
21:05	wizzyrea	I think he's afraid that you'll make fun of him for some self-perceived weakness in his wiki skills
21:05	libsysguy	^^
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21:05	* wizzyrea	pats libsysguy
21:05	wizzyrea	cait is gentle and sweet.
21:05	* libsysguy	sobs quietly
21:05	cait	oh
21:05	cait	no never
21:05	cait	not as long as we are using mediawiki
21:06	wizzyrea	see :)
21:06	cait	I will never get the syntax of that
21:06	cait	have to look up everything
21:06	libsysguy	haha
21:06	* cait	sends libsysguy a cookie
21:06	wizzyrea	she also has cookies.
21:07	* libsysguy	loves cookies
21:07	cait	virtual cookies, practically no calories ;)
21:08	Agent_Dani	Mmm, cookies
21:08	libsysguy	most excellent
21:08	* cait	puts a bowl of cookies in the middle of #koha
21:08	* libsysguy	is dating a Swede who makes him not eat sweets
21:08	libsysguy	cait: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Notifications_RFC
21:08	cait	oh
21:09	libsysguy	got it formatted...kind of
21:09	cait	libsysguy: I am in there already
21:09	cait	had to look up how to do bullet lists...
21:09	cait	again
21:09	libsysguy	oh haha i already cleaned it up
21:09	cait	oh
21:09	libsysguy	or was that you
21:09	cait	now you took my evening fun away
21:09	libsysguy	aww im sorry
21:09	libsysguy	fwiw i had to look it up too
21:09	libsysguy	im just a pretty quick typist
21:09	cait	I got distracted :)
21:09	wizzyrea	* for unordered list
21:09	wizzyrea	# for numbered
21:09	wizzyrea	:P
21:10	libsysguy	hehe
21:10	libsysguy	** for more indentions
21:10	cait	yep, but it's space * in dokuwiki
21:10	wizzyrea	^^
21:10	cait	or even space space
21:10	wizzyrea	mhm
21:10	* Agent_Dani	gives cait a shiny thing to distract.
21:10	wizzyrea	i did a bit of wording cleanup on
21:10	wizzyrea	version control using git?
21:10	wahanui	well, version control using git is at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Control_Using_Git
21:10	libsysguy	reminds me of that programming language you write in white space
21:10	cait	oh shiny!
21:10	wizzyrea	it's functionally the same
21:11	cait	brainf**?
21:11	wizzyrea	it was just bugging m
21:11	wizzyrea	me
21:11	wizzyrea	the headings made no sense
21:11	aarkerio	hi! If I have a Bibtex file, How can I import it in Koha?
21:11	cait	hm you can#t currently
21:11	cait	you have to convert it to marc
21:12	aarkerio	I have this book:
21:12	aarkerio	http://books.google.com/books/[…]l?id=uvvmAAAACAAJ
21:13	aarkerio	and I see google gives the option to "Export Citation" in three formats: Bibtex, Endnote, and RefMaN
21:13	aarkerio	what is the best option?
21:14	cait	I think I would try getting it from a z39.50 server
21:14	cait	searching by title or isbn
21:16	aarkerio	no, is not in Congress Library
21:17	cait	libsysguy: i added one point to your rfc
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21:20	yhager	I rebooted my machine and now zebrasrv is not running, and I forgot the command line. Can anyone point me to where to find it?
21:20	cait	/etc/init.d/koha-zebra... something start
21:21	yhager	cait: no such ini file here
21:21	cait	hm
21:22	cait	i think you have to put it there during installation
21:22	yhager	cait: can you just tell me how to run it for now, I'll build the startup script later?
21:23	cait	can someone else perhaps? not sure how to do it
21:23	cait	getting late here - good night all :)
21:23	yhager	cait: run: ps auwx\|grep zebra
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21:24	wizzyrea	yhager it should be in the install.debian file
21:24	wizzyrea	in your koha directory
21:24	wizzyrea	how to do that
21:25	yhager	wizzyrea: found it, thanks
21:25	wizzyrea	yw :)
21:25	yhager	I should really add a startup script though. (I am using the Archlinux package I built myself..)
21:25	bg	NateC?
21:25	wahanui	I LIKE SPACE!
21:27	wizzyrea	rangi?
21:27	wahanui	I LIKE ALMONDS! HAVE SOME NUTS!
21:28	wizzyrea	bg?
21:28	wahanui	I LIKE BREAKFAST BURRITOS AND I LOVE BASEBALL
21:28	* wizzyrea	nods
21:28	cait	wizzyrea?
21:28	cait	!
21:28	talljoy	cait?
21:28	wahanui	cait is probably kf or a programmer or really sweet or a source of great chocolate or the purveyor of an infinite supply of virtual cookies or not sure we need the page(s)... but that might just be me
21:28	wizzyrea	kf?
21:28	wahanui	rumour has it kf is cait or really, really sweet. or <reply>she gives me memory loss
21:28	cait	talljoy?
21:28	wahanui	I CRUNCH DATA
21:28	libsysguy	sorry cait i was afk...what does a point do?
21:28	talljoy	LOL
21:29	wizzyrea	lol
21:29	libsysguy	ohh
21:29	libsysguy	you mean a bullet point
21:29	libsysguy	gotcha
21:29	cait	:)
21:29	talljoy	I eat me sum data for breakfast
21:29	talljoy	crunchy good
21:29	cait	can someone kick me? so hard to leave
21:29	wizzyrea	nom nom nom
21:29	cait	hehe
21:29	rangi	oh so
21:29	rangi	i missed, did that work talljoy ?
21:29	talljoy	yes, it did import like a champ. what is the script that links authorities to bibs?
21:30	rangi	oh that thing
21:30	talljoy	that i hear works sometimes and sometimes not....
21:30	rangi	i dont trust that thing
21:30	talljoy	yeah.....
21:30	cait	ok, that's a good moment to leave
21:30	talljoy	lol
21:30	wizzyrea	go cait go!
21:30	rangi	yeah, i have about 70% success with it
21:30	talljoy	i need to try it.
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21:30	talljoy	i have a comfy test environment to run it in.
21:30	wizzyrea	"comfy"
21:30	talljoy	i promise not to blow up client's production system with it.
21:30	talljoy	comfy for data.
21:30	rangi	misc/link_bibs_to_authorities.pl
21:31	talljoy	do i need to worry about reindexing before running that?
21:31	rangi	yes
21:31	talljoy	best options for bibs? -a -r -x -v?
21:31	talljoy	no x?
21:31	rangi	no x for -a
21:31	libsysguy	wizzyrea how do you do a "next time x comes on the irc send them this"
21:31	talljoy	awesome. thx
21:31	rangi	you have reindexed your biblios too eh?
21:32	talljoy	i will
21:32	rangi	you want both indexes up to date
21:32	wizzyrea	@later tell whoever what you want to tell them
21:32	huginn	wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
21:32	talljoy	that's the plan for tonight while dinner is cooking
21:32	rangi	cool
21:32	wizzyrea	you can also do it in a /msg to huginn
21:32	rangi	make mine a double helping
21:32	wizzyrea	yum dinner.
21:33	wizzyrea	talljoy's cookin!
21:33	libsysguy	@later sekjal will you look over http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Notifications_RFC and let me know when would be a good time to schedule an IRC meeting?
21:33	huginn	libsysguy: I've exhausted my database of quotes
21:33	talljoy	mmmmmmm.
21:33	wizzyrea	@later tell
21:33	huginn	wizzyrea: (later tell <nick> <text>) -- Tells <nick> <text> the next time <nick> is in seen. <nick> can contain wildcard characters, and the first matching nick will be given the note.
21:33	libsysguy	oops
21:33	wizzyrea	:)
21:33	wizzyrea	@quote random
21:33	huginn	wizzyrea: Quote #141: "library_systems_guy: w00t I'm officially part of something cool :)" (added by wizzyrea at 04:18 PM, June 03, 2011)
21:34	libsysguy	@later tell sekjal will you look over http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Notifications_RFC and let me know when would be a good time to schedule an IRC meeting?
21:34	huginn	libsysguy: The operation succeeded.
21:34	libsysguy	phew
21:34	wizzyrea	@quote random
21:34	huginn	wizzyrea: Quote #62: "<fallor> is this a known thingy?" (added by gmcharlt at 01:18 PM, February 26, 2010)
21:34	wahanui	i already had it that way, huginn.
21:34	libsysguy	i was afraid id break huginn
21:34	wizzyrea	his spirit will never be broken!
21:35	wizzyrea	@quote random
21:35	huginn	wizzyrea: Quote #151: "<seneca> you guys are my heroes" (added by wizzyrea at 07:41 PM, August 31, 2011)
21:35	libsysguy	oh oh let me try
21:35	libsysguy	@quote random
21:35	huginn	libsysguy: Quote #142: "Pianohacker: hrm. What's the plural of ILS again? Rangi: ILSESESESESESES" (added by wizzyrea at 08:54 PM, June 08, 2011)
21:35	wizzyrea	lol. that's a good one.
21:35	libsysguy	that is a good one
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21:36	libsysguy	libsysguy?
21:36	wahanui	well, libsysguy is Koha's hottest developer or partying with swedes on his deck
21:36	libsysguy	hehe
21:36	wizzyrea	it's 4:30 CDT, we start getting kooky.
21:36	wizzyrea	@quote random
21:36	huginn	wizzyrea: Quote #73: "<chris_n> owen: try /msg munin identify nick password" (added by owen at 12:38 PM, April 29, 2010)
21:36	wizzyrea	interesting that it would fall on a 3
21:36	wizzyrea	@quote get 23
21:36	huginn	wizzyrea: Quote #23: "<gmcharlt> /msg munin register nick password" (added by wizzyrea_ at 04:25 PM, August 06, 2009)
21:37	wizzyrea	oo, identify vs register.
21:37	bg	ah it's only 2:30
21:37	wizzyrea	for you, sucka
21:37	rangi	9.30am
21:37	libsysguy	CDT ftw
21:37	rangi	slackers
21:37	rangi	get to work
21:37	libsysguy	dang it rangi
21:37	wizzyrea	hrmph.
21:37	libsysguy	and its friday there too
21:37	libsysguy	boo
21:37	* wizzyrea	saves the knock knock jokes for tomorrow
21:40	talljoy	it's almost happy hour here in Texas.
21:40	talljoy	i'm feeling thirsty
21:42	rangi	http://soundcloud.com/a-skillz/abc-a-skillz-remix <-- for you libsysguy
21:44	rhcl	hot diggidy dog. I'm going to LITA, got my grant $$.
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21:44	rangi	sweet
21:45	libsysguy	excellent
21:45	rhcl	wish I had cohorts going w/ though. hint hint
21:45	rangi	when/where is it?
21:46	rhcl	St. Louis, Missouri Sept 30 - Oct 2
21:47	rhcl	most grants are cost share, typically 75% - 25%, but this one was 100%
21:47	rangi	ah not me then ;)
21:48	rhcl	any particular propaganda/evangelism people want to spread besides the usual?
21:48	rhcl	wish I had a classy polo style Koha shirt
21:48	bg	everyone should switch to microsoft
21:48	bg	HA
21:49	rangi	mention libravatar
21:49	bg	ok I'm back to my hole
21:49	rhcl	can do. libravatar
21:49	rangi	and freedombox
21:49	rhcl	freedombox
21:49	bg	surprised I didn't get booted for that one ;)
21:49	rangi	https://www.libravatar.org/ and https://www.freedomboxfoundation.org/
21:50	rangi	stuff to keep our kids fre
21:50	rangi	e
21:50	rangi	thats all ive got
21:50	rangi	:)
21:51	rhcl	ah, yes, I've read up on freedombox previously. I need to keep track of that project
21:51	rangi	yeah its really interesting
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22:00	rhcl	so does FulfILLment replace OCLC?
22:00	rangi	wouldnt that be awesome
22:00	rangi	:)
22:00	wizzyrea	it could replace something like AGent
22:01	rangi	or the relais one.. whatever thats called
22:01	rangi	oh hey, did anyone else read kmkales email about kohacon, with the papers in it?
22:02		trea is now known as trea-away
22:03	talljoy	sidenote: I answered an email on the listserv and it appears to have gotten 'lost', i.e. my reply did not get sent to the list and is not in the archive for that message.
22:03	aarkerio	I see in some pages ISBN-10 and ISBN-13, why?
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22:05	rangi	hmm lemme see if it got held
22:05	rangi	in the meantime you can watch the new improv anywhere
22:06	rangi	http://improveverywhere.com/20[…]y-something-nice/
22:06	rangi	:)
22:06	rangi	talljoy: which mailing list?
22:06	talljoy	koha community
22:06	rangi	the main one, or koha-devel ?
22:06	talljoy	main one
22:06	rangi	hmm dont see it
22:07	rangi	its not being held for moderation at least
22:07	talljoy	i'm trying to login to see my options and I can't remember my password and it's not sending it to me either.
22:09	rangi	i know katipo used to run greylisting, so it may take a while for it to get through if its the first one you have sent from that address
22:11	talljoy	greylisted.....sounds so much more ominous than blacklisted
22:11	talljoy	like being arrested and not charge.
22:11	talljoy	charged.
22:11	talljoy	;-)
22:11	rangi	its like that
22:11	rangi	purgatory
22:11	rangi	:)
22:12	rangi	https://secure.wikimedia.org/w[…]/wiki/Greylisting
22:12	talljoy	rejection hurts.....:'(
22:14	talljoy	but, I shall soldier on.
22:14	talljoy	lol
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22:34	rangi	heh
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23:28	rangi	heya druthb
23:28	druthb	hi, rangi!
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