IRC log for #koha, 2011-08-24

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00:16 rangi heya druthb
00:18 druthb hi, rangi! :)
00:19 rangi did you feel the earthquake whereever you are?
00:20 druthb I heard some folk here did, but I did not.
00:24 Agent_Dani We had that - I felt it while at work and my wife, who was at home some 15 miles closer to the epicenter, didn't.
00:24 Agent_Dani Apparently there was a pretty big aftershock just now.
00:27 mtj random linux Q... ext4 or ext3 for prod file-systems?
00:27 mtj any prefs?
00:27 druthb I've never used ext4.
00:27 druthb I've used ext3, I think?
00:28 rangi dont know enough to have an opinion
00:29 ibeardslee we use ext4 for anything new .. although a couple of xfs for special cases
00:30 mtj ok, i might stick with ext3
00:31 mtj nah, i'll give ext4 a go - its a personal dev box, after all
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01:14 eythian ext4 is pretty mature these days
01:21 rangi hey NateC, you survived eh?
01:21 NateC heh yeah bareley
01:22 rangi :)
01:22 NateC see i still cant spell
01:22 rangi :) good time had by all?
01:26 rangi[…]otorway-samaritan  <-- kids these days, sheesh
02:00 eythian is it just me, or is there no appreciable difference between and
02:01 rangi havent looked
02:01 rangi i will tho
02:02 rangi nope looks very similair even with a diff
02:03 eythian cool
02:03 eythian in that case, I'm removing the history one and making everything use the regular one.
02:03 rangi sounds good to me
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02:39 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6721] Add Basket number and Invoice number search <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6721>
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03:27 druthb o/
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03:38 Amit_Gupta good morning ;)
03:38 Amit_Gupta heya chris
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04:37 bg heya
04:39 rangi heya bg
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05:21 BobB @wunder Sydney
05:21 huginn BobB: Error: No such location could be found.
05:22 BobB Not surprising
05:22 BobB Hey rangi, mtj - either of you about?
05:24 BobB ok will try later
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06:32 reiveune hello
06:32 magnuse bonjour
06:32 wahanui what's up, magnuse
06:33 sophie_m hi #koha and magnuse
06:36 mtj BobB:  hey, about for a bit.
06:37 hdl hi all
06:40 magnuse kia ora!
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07:02 cait hi all :)
07:02 magnuse guten morgen!
07:03 cait god morgen :)
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07:30 francharb hello all
07:36 magnuse bonjour
07:36 wahanui salut, magnuse
07:37 cait hi francharb :)
07:42 rangi evening
07:44 cait evening rangi
07:47 magnuse morning rangi
07:47 rangi heya cait
07:47 rangi and Agent_Dani
07:47 rangi gah
07:47 cait gah?
07:47 rangi magnuse:
07:47 cait hehe
07:47 rangi tab completion is sometimes unpredictable
07:47 magnuse hehe
07:47 cait but Agent_Dani?
07:47 rangi musta missed the m
07:47 cait :)
07:47 rangi typing to fast
07:48 cait lots of tweets from the conference
07:48 rangi oh i stopped after a while i couldnt keep up with the other people tweeting :)
07:50 magnuse i thought most people there was tweeting on paper? ;-)
07:50 magnuse s/was/were/
07:52 cait hehe
07:52 rangi yep, but there were 2 that were really prolific
07:53 magnuse ah
07:54 magnuse i like the rss idea!
07:54 magnuse and the next step would be to make koha read email, right? ;-) (only kidding, the rss is interesing)
08:11 cait oh, the earthquake is on the news
08:25 rangi i think badges, plus the rss feeds things could be combined into your 'public' page
08:25 magnuse so everyone can see the stuff in your feeds?
08:25 rangi everything private by default, but you can decide what you want to make public
08:25 magnuse ah yes
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08:32 * Oak waves
08:32 Oak Guten Tag cait
08:32 cait Hi Oak :)
08:32 Oak :)
08:33 Oak magnuse
08:34 magnuse Oak
08:35 Oak just ~4 months to go and there will be another year. how time flies! hm.
08:36 Oak weird.
08:36 magnuse too true!
08:36 * Oak goes into deep thought mode
08:37 magnuse but why measure time in years when you can measure it in koha releases? ;-)
08:37 Oak aha, yes...
08:38 cait hehe
08:38 Oak :)
08:38 cait but this year was fast, I agree
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08:53 slef hi all
08:56 rangi hi slef
08:56 cait h islef
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10:39 cait bye all
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10:51 jcamins_away Hello, Amit_Gupta.
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11:04 druthb o/4
11:04 magnuse \o
11:04 magnuse 4?
11:04 * druthb grumbles at her fumbly fingers.
11:04 magnuse hehe
11:04 druthb hi, magnuse.  :)
11:05 magnuse hiya druthb
11:05 * druthb waves to Oak, too.
11:06 Oak druthb !!
11:06 Oak how are ye?
11:07 druthb doing pretty well.  It's been a busy few days, but I'm healthy and mostly-happy, so I'll call it a win.
11:08 magnuse yay
11:09 Oak good good :)
11:09 Oak go easy on the work though. we hear you work too much ...
11:10 druthb I had an amazing meditation last night over a small piece of crystalline bismuth that someone very special to me gave me recently.    stared at this little thing for a half-hour or so, then spent a solid hour on the cushion mulling over some things.  That's very refreshing for me.
11:10 druthb I do work a lot, Oak....but who's been telling tales?    :P
11:12 Oak oh cool. this is good. meditation... i want to start... i think i need it too.
11:13 Oak :)
11:14 magnuse wanders off to meditate on some lunch ;-)
11:15 Oak what do you have in mind magnuse ? for lunch?
11:20 druthb Meditation is very good for the mind and body, Oak, and it doesn't have to be anything fancy...just sit still someplace comfortable, and stare into a candle, and focus on the flame--that's how I got started.
11:23 Oak hmm. sounds good. i'll definitely try it. i am sure it helps ...
11:24 druthb don't worry about how *long* you can do it...don't set a timer, or even a goal time...just sit until you can no longer concentrate, for any reason, then get up.   There's not much "right" and "wrong" when it comes to meditation; try not to judge how well you are doing it--except by how much better you feel afterward.
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11:34 Brooke kia ora
11:34 Oak hmm... well, I think when I'll sit, I won't be able to concentrate in the start... then after some effort, I'll begin... :)
11:34 Oak oh hae Brooke :)
11:34 druthb hi, Brooke! :)
11:35 Brooke howdy :)
11:35 druthb Oak:  that's the idea.  even if all you can do the first time is a minute, or five minutes, it's worth the time you spend just sitting.  The benefits quickly start to add up.
11:36 Oak I better try it then :)
11:38 druthb If a candle is not handy, some people repeat to themselves (unhurriedly) a favorite short poem, or scripture from their faith tradition.  That works, too.
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11:52 Brooke hey nengard :)
11:52 nengard hellp
11:52 nengard or
11:52 nengard hello
11:52 Brooke Beau would have run to my place if you needed help ;)
11:54 hdl Good Morning America.
11:54 hdl Hi Amit_Gupta
11:55 nengard aww shucks! thanks, just not sure how i'd get them to you and pick them up
11:56 Brooke he'd run. He'd totally find me despite never being in my neighbourhood.
11:58 Brooke it would be better than the Incredible Journey ;)
11:59 jcamins_away Is Beau the one on Ritalin?
11:59 Brooke he's the cute one. That's all that matters.
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12:00 * Oak waves
12:04 nengard jcamins, he's on prozac
12:04 nengard :)
12:04 nengard Brooke has obviously picked a favorite :) hehe
12:05 Brooke baseless allegations are being made against my person! ;)
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12:05 jcamins_away nengard: That's what I meant. :)
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12:10 nengard Brooke you can have a favorite ... I'm the mommy, I can't :) hehe
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12:18 kyle424 Hey all, I'm getting this error from zebra: koha-zebra-ctl.koha: failed to write(client_errfd = 6): File too large
12:19 kyle424 I'm guessing I'm running into the default 4-gig limit, but I can't figure out what I need to do to increase the limit, any ideas?
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12:23 cait hi NateC, hi äkoha
12:23 cait #koha
12:23 NateC hi cait :)
12:25 Brooke read that too fast as Asoka XD
12:25 * Brooke has India on the brain.
12:25 magnuse kyle424: you can edit the limit in zebra-biblios.cfg
12:26 magnuse kyle424: on a normal install that should be /etc/koha/zebradb/zebra-biblios.cfg i think
12:26 magnuse but what version? the limit has been 20G since a while back
12:27 magnuse (early april to be precise)
12:32 kyle424 Maybe that isn't the problem then.
12:32 kyle424 The lines starting with shadow and register both end with 20G
12:33 kyle424 the filesystem shows plenty of available space.
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12:35 jcamins_away kyle424: what file system are you using?
12:36 magnuse kyle424: and how many records are you indexing?
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12:44 kyle424 It appears to have been an ownership issue, but now I've got a different problem. When I check out an item, Koha then says I have no items for that record on the search results page. A full reindex will make them show up as checked out.
12:46 kyle424 I think it's still the same problem. All the files in /var/lib/zebradb/biblios/register are owned by root, and I think that's causing the problem. I re-owned them to koha, and it appeared to work, but now they are owned by root again.
12:47 jcamins_away You have your cron jobs set up wrong.
12:47 jcamins_away They need to run as koha.
12:48 kyle424 I'm using the zebraqueue daemon. Both the zebraqueue daemon and the zebra daemon appear to be running as koha.
12:49 jcamins_away Oh, and never, _ever_ use the zebraqueue daemon.
12:49 jcamins_away It's buggy.
12:49 kyle424 I didn't know that was considered a bad practice. Does it have problems?
12:50 jcamins_away Yes.
12:50 jcamins_away It leaks memory and doesn't work.
12:50 jcamins_away The documentation says not to use zebraqueue.
12:50 kyle424 Thanks for the info, I'll set up the cronjob instead.
12:50 jcamins_away Good idea. :)
12:50 jcamins_away Okay, time to start the morning with a trip to the gym. TTYL, all.
12:51 kyle424 Thanks for the help jcamins and magnuse
12:52 cait did jcamins_away just say gym?
12:52 kyle424 indeed, something I need to start doing.
12:53 magnuse kyle424: np
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13:14 oleonard Hi sekjal
13:14 sekjal hi, oleonard
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13:15 cait hi oleonard and sekjal
13:16 sekjal hi, cait
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13:17 magnuse hiya folks!
13:17 sekjal morning, magnuse
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13:19 oleonard kyle907, I see you've leveled up ;)
13:24 oleonard hdl: Is Bug 3067 still valid?
13:24 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3067 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, henridamien, ASSIGNED , When using getRecords on commandline, facets makes it fail.
13:24 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6694] Anonymous sessions not kept when casAuthentication is on <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6694>
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13:26 hdl oleonard: don't know.
13:26 hdl I think so
13:27 hdl unless facets don't use branches any longer
13:27 hdl Or GetBranches has been rewritten
13:27 oleonard If so, it needs to be updated to reference master and possibly have the patch updated as well
13:29 sekjal for CircAutoComplete, how many results should be shown, maximum, for any partial search?
13:30 hdl oleonard: seems that the edit was already merged into facets work
13:30 hdl So not valid any longer
13:30 oleonard thanks for checking hdl
13:31 oleonard sekjal: Is this part of your work on a unified patron search?
13:31 hdl sekjal: if you ask a librarian, he may answer 10 or 25 or all...
13:31 sekjal oleonard:  no, it's tangential
13:31 hdl so ... :X
13:31 cait circautocmplete - the thing that suggests patrons?
13:31 sekjal we're finding that on databases with very large numbers of patrons, CircAutoComplete will bog a system down
13:32 oleonard sekjal: Does it not limit by default now?
13:32 sekjal looking at the SQL in circ/, it's pretty clear why: it's unlimited
13:32 sekjal I believe the interface layer limits... I'm seeing a MaxCacheEntries value of 60
13:32 hdl maybe could take the patronperpage limit by default
13:33 oleonard But the results should indicate to the user that they are incomplete
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13:34 oleonard (ideally)
13:34 oleonard Not that I've heard complaints about that aspect of it
13:37 sekjal if the interface is already limiting to 60 at a time, then I think the SQL should do the same
13:38 sekjal most of the time, I think people are typing 2-5 letters anyway before looking at the hits list, so those first couple queries are just wasted CPU cycles
13:38 oleonard I'm only seeing 10 results
13:39 oleonard By the way sekjal, in my work on integrating jQueryUI I have the autocomplete configured to not start searching until the query reaches 3 letters
13:40 magnuse sounds sensible
13:41 sekjal oleonard:  that sounds awesome.  start at 3, and limit to 10 or 25 (or even 60) in the SQL will significantly reduce the impact on databases with hundreds of thousands of patron records
13:42 oleonard The changes I refer to are client-side only. It's a configuration of the jquery autocomplete widget
13:42 oleonard So a script-side fix would complement it
13:42 fredericd current autocompletion system uses YUI which is deprecated in Koha, isn't it?
13:42 oleonard Not deprecated yet. Not until the jQuery UI stuff is ready
13:42 fredericd and yes, a SQL search without LIMIT is insane with large borrowers table
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13:43 oleonard fredericd: We're still waiting on an official release of the jQueryUI menu widget to replace the YUI one
13:43 sekjal okay ,adding the limit to the circ/ SQL is a simple one-liner.  Just need to file the bug report, and pick a number.
13:43 sekjal if the interface is only showing 10 at a time, then that would seem like a good choice
13:43 fredericd oleonard: ok, I understand (and favor this replacement since YUI begin to show its age)
13:44 cait hi fredericd
13:44 cait :)
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13:44 fredericd cait: hi
13:44 wahanui hello, fredericd
13:44 magnuse since paul_p is not here: why not make the limit a syspref? ;-)
13:44 oleonard YUI seems to be another casualty of Yahoo's habit of eventual neglect
13:45 oleonard magnuse: As hdl points out, we already have PatronsPerPage
13:45 fredericd magnuse: it would be a transient syspref
13:46 cait hehe
13:46 * magnuse was mostly kidding ;-)
13:46 magnuse dinnertime!
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13:46 cait dinner?
13:48 Agent_Dani o/
13:48 cait hi Agent_Dani :)
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13:57 cait time to change trains
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13:58 * oleonard borrows talljoy_DND's 20-sided die
13:58 talljoy_DND lol
13:59 Agent_Dani That was how I read it at first...
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14:31 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6769] Getting rid of some RIS format export errors and warnings <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6769>
14:31 magnus_afk 83 needs signoff!
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14:44 jcamins_away smoothies++
14:44 jcamins_away I don't understand how it took me 25 years to think of blending yogurt and fruit together and calling it breakfast.
14:47 oleonard I thought I would test the patch for Bug 6769, but I'm finding that with our without the patch my RIS exports contain almost no data
14:47 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6769 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---,, ASSIGNED , Getting rid of some RIS format  export errors and warnings
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14:48 wizzyrea jcamins_away: hehe
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15:04 wizzyrea searching faq?
15:04 wahanui searching faq is at[…]on/faq/searching/
15:04 wizzyrea oh bother gotta clear teh cache, sec
15:04 wizzyrea but anyway, it should be working again.
15:05 * wizzyrea mutters about plugins that delete their data when updating.
15:05 magnus_afk wizzyrea++
15:06 magnus_afk is there a way for patrons to return books, other than scanning barcodes in the sco client? i think not, but might have missed something...
15:06 wizzyrea no I don't think so
15:06 wizzyrea that would be considered "dangerous" in lots of libraries
15:06 oleonard magnus_afk: Like by crossing their hearts and swearing they did? :P
15:06 magnus_afk is now known as magnuse
15:07 magnuse oleonard: yeah, something like that
15:07 magnuse i have a pretty "relaxed" school asking about it
15:08 magnuse i'll just tell them they have to scan barcodes
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15:19 wizzyrea sekjal, about?
15:19 wizzyrea ah nm
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15:21 lastnode|laptop hi
15:21 wahanui hola, lastnode|laptop
15:22 lastnode|laptop im setting up koha on ubuntu natty
15:22 lastnode|laptop is this guide current?
15:22 lastnode|laptop[…]ki/Koha_on_Ubuntu
15:22 oleonard Use the INSTALL file that comes with Koha. Are you downloading the latest version?
15:24 lastnode|laptop yes
15:24 magnuse or try using the PPA set up by the current Release Manager: (i'm not sure how experimental that is...)
15:26 wizzyrea I wonder if I could get a couple of people to look at/test bug 6253
15:26 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6253 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , Unified Patron Search subroutine
15:27 davi hi wizzyrea.  Has been added to the support list?
15:27 oleonard Sure wizzyrea, anything in particular?
15:27 wizzyrea yes, actually
15:27 wizzyrea test the 3 part name search
15:27 wizzyrea and check to see if the library/category limiting works
15:28 lastnode|laptop magnuse: yeah that links to this guide
15:29 wizzyrea and finally check to make sure that searching on extended attributes still works
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15:30 davi wizzyrea?
15:30 wahanui wizzyrea is probably amazing!
15:31 wizzyrea davi, had you addressed the legal concerns that were raised about your website, on the list or otherwise?
15:31 wizzyrea my apologies if I missed it
15:32 davi As per the email you sent me, and and per the decisions taken in the last meeting there is not any problem
15:32 davi I do not know addtional requirements are
15:33 davi What are those concerns you are talking about?
15:34 davi any URL to the mailing list?
15:34 wizzyrea they were brought up on the list, let me find the link
15:34 davi yes my MJ Ray,
15:34 davi they were not agreed on the last Koha meeting
15:34 davi Am I mistaken?
15:34 davi If so please let me know
15:35 wizzyrea davi - I have to go away for a little bit right now, but will be back soon
15:35 davi no problem
15:35 davi later
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15:38 lastnode|laptop im havng a little problem with the SAX Parser
15:38 lastnode|laptop[…]ki/Koha_on_Ubuntu
15:38 lastnode|laptop in this guide
15:39 lastnode|laptop error message -
15:39 lastnode|laptop i followed teh step and moved XML:LibXML::SAX:parser to the end of teh file
15:40 lastnode|laptop to the end of /etc/perl/XML/SAX/ParserDetails.ini
15:40 wizzyrea where is PurePerl in the list?
15:40 wizzyrea and I'm back :)
15:41 lastnode|laptop #1
15:41 davi welcome back
15:41 lastnode|laptop wizzyrea: #1
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15:41 wizzyrea just for fun put XML::LibXML::SAX::Parser where PurePerl is
15:43 lastnode|laptop oh wizzyrea it looks like a path error?
15:44 lastnode|laptop lastnode@ubuntu:~/koha-latest/koha-3.04.04$ misc/ could not find ParserDetails.ini in /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1/XML/SAX
15:44 lastnode|laptop it'slooking for it i in /usr/local
15:44 lastnode|laptop and im editing an ini in /etc/perl
15:44 lastnode|laptop k i copied the file across
15:45 lastnode|laptop looks good, apparently ^^
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15:46 wizzyrea cool
15:46 nengard easy jquery question ... how do make Surname say 'Last name'?
15:46 oleonard Where?
15:46 wizzyrea ^^
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15:47 oleonard wizzyrea: I'm not getting any results when searching for extended patron attributes
15:48 wizzyrea aha, and that works now?
15:48 davi wizzyrea: Could you provide me with that link, so that I can check it against the agreed in the lat Koha meeting?
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15:48 oleonard wizzyrea: "works now?" ?
15:49 wizzyrea it works in current master, without the patch?
15:49 wizzyrea extended patron attributes searching works on current master, before you apply this patch?
15:49 oleonard Yes
15:49 nengard oleonard on the patron add form - sorry
15:50 oleonard $("label[for='surname']").html("Last name:");
15:51 davi wizzyrea: If the rules agreed in the Koha meeting can be trashed by MJ Ray (slef) and you, just let me know.
15:51 davi If you are not willing to list just let me know
15:51 wizzyrea davi, I do not appreciate your tone.
15:52 davi no problem, sincerely :)
15:52 oleonard davi: You're not helping yourself by not being civil
15:52 davi I have waited for months to be listed
15:52 wizzyrea I am actually currently putting off other things to work on your listing.
15:52 davi first delayed but meeting
15:52 wizzyrea So the very least you can do is be respectful of my time.
15:52 davi ten just not listed even disagreeing the rules voted at last meeting
15:52 davi then*
15:53 davi I respect you, I am just a bit suspicous after all this delay!
15:54 davi Please, let me know anything at anytime
15:55 davi later
15:57 lastnode|laptop douchebag foss user
15:58 lastnode|laptop comes into channel of software maintained by volunteers
15:58 lastnode|laptop demands things
15:58 lastnode|laptop with smiley :) faces
15:59 nengard thanks oleonard
15:59 wizzyrea lastnode|laptop: well I wasn't going to go that far >.>
16:00 oleonard No point in lowering the tone all around
16:01 davi back
16:03 davi wizzyrea: Sorry if I look nervous
16:04 davi We are short of customers now
16:07 oleonard davi: Do you not have the original email thread where you first requested to be listed?
16:07 davi yes, I have it
16:07 davi I have read it several times
16:07 oleonard Why not post a new response there?
16:07 davi and all fit with the agreed in the last Koha meeting
16:08 davi If needed I will
16:08 davi but as wizzyrea , who already know all the subject, is already working in the listing of I think it will not needed
16:08 davi 15:46 < wizzyrea> I am actually currently putting off other things to work on your listing.
16:09 oleonard wizzyrea does not make the decision by herself. Since an objection was made, the decision should now get some consensus
16:09 davi A meetin was set in place with a point to discuss the subject
16:10 davi so it was discussed even in a meeting
16:10 davi the last one
16:10 oleonard It looks to me like there's not a problem, let's get others' opinions
16:10 lastnode|laptop koha tells me the following modules are missing
16:10 lastnode|laptop do i need to get them via cpan?
16:10 davi I know wizzyrea does not take the decission her self
16:10 cait hm
16:10 cait hm, have you checked the logs for the meeting?
16:10 davi yes, I have read the logs
16:10 cait lastnode which os are you using?
16:10 davi and the wiki page
16:10 wahanui hmmm... the wiki page is broken again.
16:11 cait forget using
16:11 cait using is <reply>
16:11 lastnode|laptop cait: ubuntu, and i think i figured out why. sec.
16:11 cait ah
16:11 cait ah, I think you can install all modules with apt-get in ubuntu
16:11 cait no need to use cpan
16:11 cait you can even use the packages from
16:12 cait and it will install all dependencies
16:14 lastnode|laptop yeah i think im about done, cait
16:14 * lastnode|laptop w00ts
16:14 cait ok
16:14 cait :)
16:14 cait got to the web installer?
16:14 lastnode|laptop installed and finished
16:14 lastnode|laptop yay
16:14 lastnode|laptop to clarify, zebra is just for search indexing right?
16:15 lastnode|laptop to backup library data, i juts need to backup the mysql db?
16:15 magnuse lastnode|laptop: yes
16:17 cait yes
16:17 cait if you don't make local changes you want to keep too, the database is enough
16:17 cait I think you could also backup the zebra index to avoid reindexing
16:17 lastnode|laptop thank you. can someone also tell me if this setup makes sense from a design POV? the school im working at has limited Internet access, so I'm thinking a LAN install of koha that rsyncs to a remote install daily
16:17 oleonard davi, I'm surprised you didn't email a follow-up query to the list immediately after that IRC meeting.  I would recommend doing it now
16:17 lastnode|laptop that way the LAN db would always be up to date, and the remote db (for staff to check from home, for example) would nearly always be up to date
16:17 lastnode|laptop we only have 3000 books atm
16:17 lastnode|laptop but im thinking ahead
16:18 lastnode|laptop im terribly sorry if that is a dumb question in any way
16:18 lastnode|laptop as ive mentioned here before, im an English teacher, not a programmer/sysadmin
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16:20 davi I did not want to press to wizzyrea
16:20 davi oleonard: ^
16:20 reiveune bye
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16:20 cait hm
16:20 cait don't think it's a dumb question
16:21 davi Thanks wizzyrea: Could you use <br /> at to break the paragraphs?
16:23 lastnode|laptop cait: since im not a sysadmin, i did look at koha hosting
16:23 lastnode|laptop but i think it's outside our budget
16:23 lastnode|laptop my main concenr is, if somethinghappens, data has gotta be recoverable/exportable
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16:25 davi wizzyrea: Also, at join lines, some ones have lost the space. For example: "focuson" instead of "focus on"
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16:31 lastnode|laptop once i run
16:31 lastnode|laptop books should start to show up in teh catalog right
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16:32 oleonard lastnode|laptop: Assuming you did the little dance, and are wearing the special hat.
16:32 lastnode|laptop im wearing a hat, but nobody told me about the dance
16:32 lastnode|laptop doc team needs to get on it imo
16:32 cait what did I miss?
16:32 * cait looks confused
16:32 * oleonard 's experiences getting zebra to work may not be universal
16:33 * cait sends oleonard cookies
16:33 * oleonard would so gobble up cookies
16:34 oleonard I would suggest we do a snack exchange on #koha but I fear my country has nothing anyone else would want
16:34 rhcl_away poor cait, so confused. Your missed the zebra dance that lnl and oleonard were discussing.
16:35 cait oleonard: can't be that bad
16:35 cait I heard jcamins produces very yummy cookies in your country :)
16:36 lastnode|laptop is there a post-install guide someone can link me to maybe?
16:36 cait rhcl_away: thx for the link - but can't watch that from here :(
16:36 lastnode|laptop googling has not helped :(
16:36 cait lastnode: what's the problem?
16:36 wahanui i guess the problem is its human beings doing it
16:36 * oleonard loves that one
16:36 cait wahanui botsnack cookie
16:36 wahanui :)
16:36 cait me too
16:37 oleonard lastnode|laptop: Have you checked the searching faq?
16:37 oleonard searching faq?
16:37 wahanui searching faq is at[…]on/faq/searching/
16:37 cait search faq?
16:37 wahanui rumour has it search faq is at[…]on/faq/searching/
16:37 cait hehe
16:37 cait lastnode: I lost connection (on a train) what is the zebra doing?
16:37 cait or not doing
16:38 rhcl_away ah, you just gotta see it...
16:38 rhcl_away But it's particularly appropriate to the discussion about zebra and dancing above.
16:39 cait rhcl_away: I can't - would have to leave germany to see it
16:39 rhcl_away say what? Youtube banned there?
16:39 cait rhcl_away: blocked for copyrights
16:39 cait not youtube, but some videos don't work
16:40 rhcl_away sigh. OK, use tor.  But the vid is just some guy in with a zebra head mask doing a silly dance.
16:40 * oleonard likes that we're the first hit on Google for 'Global bug squashing day'
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16:43 rhcl and rangi is 7 on the list
16:43 cait :)
16:43 lastnode|laptop ok wonderful
16:43 lastnode|laptop thank you all very much
16:43 lastnode|laptop i am off to bed but will be back to pick your brains as i get ready to pitch this to the school administration
16:44 lastnode|laptop what a truly awesome application you guys have going here :)
16:44 lastnode|laptop good day, friends!
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16:47 cait :)
16:47 cait good night
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16:58 davi I remember to everybody you are invited to join as _owners_. See
16:58 davi later
17:02 cait oleonard: checked="checked"?
17:02 cait sorry, only looking at a template right now and wondeirng if checked should be checked="checked" to be correct xhtml
17:02 oleonard Yes
17:03 oleonard <input type="checkbox" checked /> is invalid
17:03 cait <input type="checkbox" name="removeItem" />
17:03 cait <input type="checkbox" name="removeItem" checked="checked" />
17:04 oleonard Those are correct
17:07 cait thx :)
17:07 cait I am working on the big translation bug
17:07 cait lots of template changes
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17:09 oleonard cait: I had not idea we had so many places that were still wrong
17:10 cait still invalid xhtml or directives in html?
17:10 cait I think the test will help that now
17:10 cait not the xhtml, but the directives
17:10 cait jenkins will start to whine everyt time a new one is added, but first we have to fix them all to make him happy again :)
17:11 cait if you want to sign-off on some I would be happy, trying to make no mistakes, but easy to miss something
17:12 oleonard I mean I had no idea there were still so many places in the templates where that incorrect template syntax was used (template directives inside tags)
17:12 cait ah
17:12 cait I think they kept creeping back in
17:12 cait it seems a smart thing to do
17:12 cait only it's not
17:14 oleonard The trouble is we all like efficiency too darn much
17:14 magnuse hehe
17:15 cait :)
17:15 cait thxfor the mail magnuse :)
17:15 magnuse your welcome
17:15 magnuse[…]Coding_Guidelines might need an update?
17:18 slef yes, that needs quite a few
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17:58 cait oleonard: does this make sense to you?
17:58 cait <div name="[% year.year %]" id="[% year.year %]" style="position:absolute; visibility:hidden; margin-top:0px; border:4px;" [% IF ( year.first ) %]style="visibility:visible"[% END %]>
17:58 cait never heard of visibility, but having it hidden and visible seems strange
18:00 oleonard display:none is usually what is used. Where's that from?
18:00 aarkerio hi!
18:00 aarkerio opac-tmpl/prog/en/modules/opac-main.tmpl  change to
18:00 aarkerio opac-tmpl/prog/en/modules/ ?
18:01 magnuse aarkerio: yes, the templating system changed to Template Toolkit with version 3.4
18:01 cait
18:02 cait line 46
18:02 aarkerio I am following
18:03 oleonard cait: I wouldn't worry about it unless you can find a problem with how it works currently
18:03 cait hm
18:03 magnuse aarkerio: yeah, that page needs an update
18:03 cait what I did was make it an if else construction
18:04 cait and moved the style inside the other
18:04 cait so only visibilty:hidden for the if
18:04 cait and visibility hidden for the else
18:04 oleonard cait: What process are you using the find these errors?
18:04 cait there is a test
18:04 cait xt/tt_valid
18:04 magnuse oleonard: clairvoyance!
18:05 oleonard cait: How is it run?
18:05 cait perl xt/tt_valid...
18:07 oleonard And that's all?
18:10 cait yep
18:10 cait it gives you the lines and files
18:10 cait I am doing it by modules now
18:10 oleonard I get "Can't stat ./koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en: No such file or directory at tt_valid.t line 45"
18:11 cait started at the beginning, but skipped some in the middle
18:11 cait hm
18:11 cait where did you run ti?
18:11 cait from the kohaclone directory?
18:11 oleonard No, but it seems to like that better. Got results.
18:12 cait ah cool
18:12 cait if you could sign-off on some it would be cool too
18:12 oleonard Sure
18:12 cait rangi started but I had made some mistakes... updated the patches and trying to notmake them again :)
18:14 cait some have really a lot of errors :(
18:14 cait not so surprising that one of them is memberentry
18:14 cait it's bad for translation anyway
18:14 cait lot's of strings puzzled together
18:17 * oleonard can't log into self checkout
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18:24 aarkerio mmm, somebody knows a way to add a page to OPAC?
18:25 aarkerio I want create just and HTML form
18:26 magnuse have fun #koha
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18:28 cait rebooting, will be back
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18:32 aarkerio how you debug Koha?
18:33 aarkerio I mean in PHP you can do something like   die(var_dump($myArray));
18:33 aarkerio to see what is in $myArray
18:33 aarkerio how can I do that in koha?
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18:35 aarkerio or even better, how can I see Perl erros messages?
18:35 aarkerio Apache log?
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18:40 cait back
18:40 oleonard aarkerio: Koha error log. There should be one for the staff client and one for the OPAC
18:41 chris_n can someone confirm that a "Category Code" limited search in cgi-bin/koha/patroncards/ does *not* work?
18:41 cait hm
18:41 cait guessing here
18:41 chris_n in current master, that is
18:41 cait but I notiyed a while back it wants the code instead of the description
18:41 cait could this be a possible reason?
18:42 chris_n well, it does not work here with the code
18:42 * chris_n has a fix, but just wants to be sure he is not seeing bug ghosts
18:42 cait hm
18:42 chris_n or ghost bugs or some sort
18:43 cait give me a minute
18:43 oleonard It doesn't work for me chris_n. Does your fix add a category drop-down?
18:43 cait ah owen was faster
18:43 * cait has no mouse and is a bit slow today
18:43 chris_n oleonard: no, it just fixes the broken search code on the back end
18:43 chris_n which would not work even if it had a drop-down
18:43 cait a drop down would be nice
18:43 oleonard Ah, wait, let me check one more thing
18:44 chris_n check using an actual code
18:44 chris_n observe case
18:44 oleonard That was my problem. It's case-sensitive. With the proper case it works.
18:45 chris_n ok
18:46 * chris_n hates localized bugs >:-(
18:47 oleonard aarkerio: Still around?
18:48 aarkerio yea!!
18:48 oleonard Did you find your error logs?
18:49 aarkerio yes, thanks, also I am using:     die Dumper { this => $this, that_array => \@that };
18:49 oleonard Good, I was just going to ask if you tried Dumper
18:51 aarkerio thanks again, BTW if I created a variable in "Local Use" how can I get in a koha ?
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18:53 aarkerio
18:53 aarkerio ?
19:00 cait no
19:01 cait you have to put it n th eperl code
19:01 cait like other sysprefs
19:01 cait and pass it to the template
19:01 aarkerio I typed:
19:01 aarkerio [% IF ( page_test ) %]<div id="opacmainuserblock" class="container">[% page_test %]</div>     [% END %]
19:04 aarkerio I am following this:
19:04 cait you can use for pasting
19:04 cait it's easy and will be easier to read
19:05 cait oh
19:05 oleonard That's just the template aarkerio. Like cait says, you have to have the Perl script pass the variable to the template.
19:05 cait I haven't tried that yet
19:06 cait the koha as a cms thing
19:06 oleonard cait: The patch for doesn't apply for me
19:06 oleonard "fatal: cannot convert from UTF-8utf-8 to UTF-8"
19:06 pastebot "aarkerio" at pasted "Add HTML page to Koha" (31 lines) at
19:08 cait hmm
19:08 cait weird
19:08 cait I will rebase
19:08 cait working on serials right now
19:08 cait almost done
19:08 cait aarkerio: looking at the wiki page - it needs some changes for our new templating system I think
19:08 cait oleonard: that's the error you get?
19:08 aarkerio
19:08 cait weird
19:08 oleonard That's the error I get when I try to apply the patch
19:09 cait ok, still opac-detail?
19:09 cait paulhad that too with one of my patches
19:09 cait but I am not sure where it's coming from
19:09 cait I always do the same things
19:09 cait on the same laptop
19:09 cait and some work and others not :(
19:10 oleonard cait: I think it's just a problem with git am and that patch. git apply works. Looks like there's a duplicate "Content-Type" header in the patch itself.
19:11 wizzyrea dumb question of the day... borrower extended attributes = what
19:11 nengard these are custom fields for patrons
19:11 cait aarkerio: one obvious thing you have to change is: pages.tmpl to
19:11 nengard so you can create a field call driver's license for example
19:11 nengard and fill that in with a value
19:11 wizzyrea so they are defined in the authorized values
19:11 wizzyrea which is what I was really asking
19:11 nengard no
19:11 oleonard they can be, but don't have to be
19:11 * wizzyrea mutters
19:11 nengard they're defined in the extendended patron attributes section
19:11 nengard in admin
19:12 nengard http://manual.koha-community.o[…]ronattributetypes
19:12 nengard if that helps
19:12 nengard lots of libraries use them for custom values
19:12 nengard and because they - unlike the sort fields - are searchable
19:12 wizzyrea interesting. we only use authorized values for that.
19:12 oleonard Oh, she totally just RTFMed you, did you see that? ;)
19:12 wizzyrea I totally did.
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19:13 nengard i didn't mean it that way!!!!
19:13 wizzyrea ;)
19:13 nengard I just like seeing images and that page will show you where to go and how it's set up
19:13 wizzyrea the feature is pretty helpful in that regard.
19:13 cait wizzyrea: the additinal borrower fields you can configure under admin > patron attributes
19:13 cait oleonard: not sure where it's getting this form, I checked my git variables
19:13 cait hmmmmm
19:13 nengard wizzyrea yes, very helpful
19:14 cait can you sign-off? will try to investigate later
19:14 cait I am on a train right now (that is already 150 minutes late...) and have no mouse and a very slow internet connection
19:14 wizzyrea I just added a patron attribute that asks "is the patron a cat"
19:14 nengard HA
19:14 wizzyrea I crack me up.
19:14 nengard i should use that one for my patrons - since my dogs are patrons
19:15 wizzyrea soooooo I guess if you use authorized values and not this system, the results are not searchable?
19:15 oleonard I have a repeatable one one in my test system for recording the names of all the patron's pets.
19:15 wizzyrea lulz
19:15 cait wizzyrea: it's also nice because you can add unique fields
19:15 wizzyrea i love you guys
19:15 chris_n nengard: got the book, btw; looks nice
19:16 cait and you can match against these when doing patron imports :)
19:16 nengard oh good
19:16 wizzyrea right
19:16 cait we have student numbers in there
19:16 * wizzyrea idly wonders if libsysguy was aware of all of that
19:16 nengard wizzyrea - i think you can use an authorized value in an attribute and have it searchable
19:16 oleonard wizzyrea: Yes, but you can set up authorized values to be used in patron attributes if you want defined choices
19:16 nengard i'd need to test
19:16 cait if we haven't told him probably not?
19:16 cait it's not easy to guess that you can do that
19:17 wizzyrea i'm just curious because I'm pretty sure NEKLS isn't using the extended attributes
19:17 nengard wizzyrea i did train libsysguy to use them
19:17 nengard what he remembers after 3 days of me throwing info at him ... who knows :)
19:17 wizzyrea as our setup predates the feature
19:17 oleonard The only problem with searching extended attributes with authorized values is that you have to use the code, not the description
19:17 nengard ooo - that makes sense
19:17 wizzyrea well he was doing something with markiing patrons as active/inactive every night
19:17 chris_n wizzyrea: "predates" == "prehistoric"?  ;-)
19:17 cait :)
19:17 cait I think if oyu use authorized values you perhaps have to search for the code instead of the description - but not quite sure
19:18 wizzyrea no, it's up to date, but it's like putting a new body on the chassis of a model T - the basis from whence we came (and the settings/setup thereof) may not take advantage of all that is available on our new body
19:19 wizzyrea simply because when we set it up, that wasn't an option.
19:19 nengard you know i said that today while teaching wordpress
19:19 wizzyrea (and it's working so why fix it)
19:19 cait oh, oleonard already said it
19:19 nengard i don't use tags on my site cause they weren't there when i started
19:20 cait irc lagged
19:20 wizzyrea yea, that's exactly the sort of thing I'm talking about
19:20 wizzyrea (plus, for me, one level of taxonomy is quite enough for wp posts, tyvm)
19:21 oleonard It's the same reason we don't use Koha's email notices for holds. We already had a workflow in place. Now I'm afraid to switch because I don't know if it will work the same.
19:21 wizzyrea this is probably a limitation of my creativity
19:26 cait never change a running system without good reason
19:27 cait does someone know how to access from staff?
19:27 cait I am not sure which page that i
19:27 cait s
19:27 cait and haven't found it yet clikcing my way through the serials module :(
19:28 * oleonard does the same hunt every time he works on serials templates
19:29 oleonard It's called by under certain conditions
19:29 rangi grep is ur friend
19:29 oleonard if ($selectview eq "full"){
19:30 * oleonard uses grep for dummies, also known as his text editor's find in files search
19:30 rangi grep -r "serial-issues-full" *
19:30 rangi will tell u what files its referenced by
19:30 aarkerio hi! If I created a new preference in     Home � Administration � System Preferences > Local Use
19:31 aarkerio how can I get these preference value?
19:32 rangi isn't cait on holiday??????
19:34 aarkerio my $var =  C4::Context->preference('prefrence_name');    ??
19:34 cait good morning to you rangi
19:35 rangi yes aakerio
19:35 cait aarkerio: did you make the change I suggested?
19:35 rangi then you have to set in the template
19:35 aarkerio mmm, perfect!!,   thanx!!
19:36 cait rangi: she is :)
19:36 rangi $template->{VARS}->{'name'}=$var;
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19:36 rangi is the way to do it
19:37 rangi not the old param way, over time we will kill the instances of that
19:41 rangi 2 koha users speaking at the symposium today, should be good
19:42 wizzyrea more symposium today?
19:42 wizzyrea fun fun!
19:43 rangi yep
19:44 Oak good night dear friends... *hugs*
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19:46 aarkerio why   "".  in this code:
19:46 aarkerio page_test       => "". C4::Context->preference($page),
19:46 aarkerio ??
19:47 rangi thats the old param method, dont do it that way :)
19:47 aarkerio so just:
19:47 aarkerio page_test       => C4::Context->preference($page),
19:47 aarkerio is ok=
19:47 aarkerio ?
19:47 rangi no
19:47 rangi see what I wrote before
19:48 aarkerio but I see this is the current Koha way in  koha_news       => $all_koha_news
19:48 rangi ?
19:48 cait we can work on that when the translation issues are resolved ;)
19:49 cait :)
19:49 cait hm
19:49 rangi thats the old way
19:49 cait I treid the grep
19:49 cait but it found a lot of lines from th epo file and was totally unreadable
19:49 cait and sorry for the typos..
19:49 aarkerio so, where can I find the API new way?
19:50 rangi I wrote it just above
19:50 rangi scroll back
19:51 cait oleonard: I still don't see how to get there hm
19:52 rangi param is an html::template method, we are faking it with template::toolkit, but transitioning away from it
19:53 rangi ok my bus stop bbl
19:54 wizzyrea aarkerio: in case you don't want to scroll up
19:54 wizzyrea $template->{VARS}->{'name'}=$var;
19:54 wizzyrea (it's rangi's example)
19:56 aarkerio oh! thanks, I didn't realize that lie was for  me, so, $template->param()  is deprecated ?
19:56 aarkerio line
19:56 oleonard Actually cait I think that template might be unused, now that I look further
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19:57 oleonard cait: I don't see any links to in the template except from and
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20:00 cait h
20:00 cait m
20:01 cait that might be an explanation
20:01 cait I tried looking at the template code but the breadcrumbs and title seemed not very familiar
20:04 aarkerio can I pass an array ??    $template->{VARS}->{'array'}=@array;  ??
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20:16 rangi pass an arrayref
20:16 rangi \@array
20:25 aarkerio coo, If I want to create the Class use   C4::MyDBFunctions, where should I put the perl file?
20:26 aarkerio $KOHA_HOME/lib/C4  right?
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20:34 aarkerio are you using some ORM to get database records?
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20:35 aarkerio like
20:36 cait no, we are not using that at the moment
20:36 cait I think you can find examples for how to query the db in the C4 modules
20:38 aarkerio Koha is pretty full featured and stable you are doing a great work guys
20:39 rangi if you are writing a brand new module
20:39 rangi you can put it in Koha::
20:40 rangi or C4:: eventually everything will be in Koha:: as its cleaned
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20:48 cait lol
20:48 cait "train is now 362 minuts late, we apologize ..."
20:50 rangi 6 hours!
20:50 wizzyrea jeez!
20:50 rangi there goes my theory of german efficiency
20:55 cait hm doing the math this isn't right
20:55 cait 162
20:55 cait still too much
20:55 cait only 162, I misunderstood I think
20:55 cait and there was a  thunderstorm or something and we had to make a detour
21:03 rangi ?
21:04 rangi lightning hit the tracks?
21:07 cait no idea
21:07 cait they didn't tell us
21:07 cait or a tree on the rails perhaps
21:07 * cait good the last package of cookies at the bistro - yay
21:07 cait s/good/got
21:07 rangi yay!
21:13 rangi aarkerio++ #updating the wiki :)
21:13 jcamins_away I have a very dumb question.
21:14 rangi 12
21:14 wizzyrea a watched query never finishes.
21:14 rangi theres a dumb answer
21:14 jcamins_away I am supposed to cut the netting off of the flower, right?
21:14 jcamins_away It's something that has lots of petals, but there's a net around it so I'm not sure what exactly it is, or I'd Google it. ;)
21:15 aarkerio rangi, yey! I used the new way!! $template->{VARS}->
21:15 rangi :-)
21:15 wizzyrea jcamins_away: probably
21:15 cait oleonard++ for signing off
21:15 jcamins_away wizzyrea: thanks.
21:16 wizzyrea i can't imagine it's very pretty with the net on :P
21:16 jcamins_away Not really, no.
21:16 jcamins_away We never had flowers in the house when I was growing up, because we're a family with bad allergies.
21:17 wizzyrea is it a daisy looking thing?
21:17 cait you could make a photo and post it :)
21:17 wizzyrea ^^
21:17 jcamins_away Good idea.
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21:18 rangi if you take the net off it will escape!!!
21:19 cait rofl
21:23 jcamins_away wizzyrea: cait:[…]72/in/photostream
21:24 wizzyrea yea, take the net off
21:24 jcamins_away Thanks.
21:24 wizzyrea it's a chrysanthemum
21:24 moodaepo @quote
21:24 huginn moodaepo: I've exhausted my database of quotes
21:24 wizzyrea or something like it
21:24 moodaepo @quote help
21:24 huginn moodaepo: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
21:24 wizzyrea @quote random
21:24 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #72: "<nengard> it's evil xslt in the staff client" (added by jdavidb at 12:28 PM, April 29, 2010)
21:25 wizzyrea @quote random
21:25 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #97: "chris_n shakes his fist (again) in the direction of Redmond" (added by wizzyrea at 03:21 PM, October 08, 2010)
21:25 wizzyrea @quote randomc
21:25 huginn wizzyrea: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
21:25 wizzyrea @quote random
21:25 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #43: "< Ropuch> Uh - beware of tea: it can burn your throat" (added by chris at 08:35 AM, October 30, 2009)
21:25 moodaepo @quote add <wizzyrea> a watched query never finishes.
21:25 huginn moodaepo: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
21:26 * wizzyrea giggles
21:26 moodaepo wizzyrea++
21:26 wizzyrea it's true though!
21:26 moodaepo Most certainly
21:26 rangi @quote get 8
21:26 huginn rangi: Quote #8: "< wizzyrea> in my experience the transition to koha is much harder for libraries that are already automated" (added by pianohacker at 05:57 PM, June 19, 2009)
21:26 rangi hmmm
21:26 cait @roulette
21:26 huginn cait: *click*
21:26 cait hm
21:27 cait @wunder berlin
21:27 huginn cait: Error: No such location could be found.
21:27 rangi what is the one that has how to register
21:27 wizzyrea @quote get 23
21:27 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #23: "<gmcharlt> /msg munin register nick password" (added by wizzyrea_ at 04:25 PM, August 06, 2009)
21:27 cait @wunder Berlin, Germany
21:27 huginn cait: Error: No such location could be found.
21:27 rangi ta
21:28 wizzyrea i always remember that one because it's offset of our favorite one by 100
21:28 wizzyrea ;)
21:28 wizzyrea @quote get 123
21:28 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
21:28 wizzyrea seewhatimean
21:29 rangi :)
21:29 * jcamins_away goes to make dinner and cookies, having successfully navigated the vase-ing of the flowers.
21:29 wizzyrea is that the vayse or vahse
21:30 moodaepo @quote add <wizzyrea> a watched query never finishes.
21:30 huginn moodaepo: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
21:30 jcamins_away I pronounce it both ways.
21:30 jcamins_away :P
21:30 * moodaepo gives up
21:30 wizzyrea hehe
21:30 wizzyrea i suspect ay is the midwestern pronunciation
21:30 wizzyrea and ah is the coastal pronunciation
21:31 moodaepo I thought 'ay' was just non east coast american
21:32 cait :)
21:32 cait @wunder berlin, deutschland
21:32 huginn cait: Error: No such location could be found.
21:33 wizzyrea @quote add <wizzyrea> a watched query never finishes.
21:33 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.  Quote #147 added.
21:33 wizzyrea wow very laggy today
21:33 rangi yeah
21:37 cait so not only me?
21:37 wizzyrea nope
21:37 rangi @wunder berlin, germany
21:37 huginn rangi: Error: No such location could be found.
21:38 wizzyrea @wunder lawrence, ks
21:38 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 34.6�C (4:38 PM CDT on August 24, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 25.0�C. Pressure: 29.75 in 1007.3 hPa (Steady). Excessive heat warning in effect until 7 PM CDT this evening...
21:38 wizzyrea @wunder berlin
21:38 huginn wizzyrea: Error: No such location could be found.
21:38 wizzyrea wtf
21:41 rangi @wunder Schonefeld, Germany
21:41 rangi when all else fails, try the airport
21:41 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Berlin Schoenefeld, Germany is 19.0�C (11:20 PM CEST on August 24, 2011). Conditions: Heavy Thunderstorms and Rain. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 18.0�C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Rising).
21:42 cait thx rangi
21:42 cait sounds... invitin
21:42 cait g
21:42 rangi heh
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21:47 rangi how far away from berlin are you now cait ?
21:49 Oak huh, 2:52 am. i guess i should go back to sleep. good night again
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22:45 rangi wow
22:45 rangi steve jobs resigned
22:45 talljoy oh my
22:45 jcamins_away Really? Wow.
22:45 jcamins_away My ISP is trying to charge me an extra $5/month.
22:45 rangi for?
22:46 jcamins_away Fun, I think.
22:46 rangi heh
22:46 jcamins_away They just increased the price $5.
22:46 rangi stink
22:47 talljoy what triggers the 'Available' status on an item record in the OPAC?
22:47 jcamins_away Looks like it's time to call and demand a discount.
22:48 jcamins_away Ah, it's been a year since my last complaint.
22:48 jcamins_away That's why.
22:48 jcamins_away talljoy: you don't want to know.
22:48 talljoy tell me.
22:48 jcamins_away And with that encouraging thought, I think I'd better go get the cookies and set out dinner.
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22:49 talljoy anyone else care to enlighten me as to the "available" status on an item record?
22:50 mtj talljoy,   a successful zebra update, i think
22:50 rangi its a big combo of things
22:50 rangi is it available for loan, is it not lost, is it not withdrawn, is it not out
22:50 talljoy i figured, since there wasn't a 'available' field
22:51 talljoy i have an item that is checked out but shows as available
22:51 rangi right
22:52 rangi how often do your zebra updates run?
22:52 mtj the seach-results availablity is pulled from zebra, not sure about the details page
22:52 rangi details should be from db
22:52 mtj yeah, prolly a little zebra lag, there....
22:52 rangi is it diff on search results and detail page talljoy ?
22:52 mtj rangi: yeah, i agree
22:53 talljoy i'm looking in staff client now.  let me check the opac
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22:54 talljoy okay.  OPAC shows checked out.  But the staff client shows them Checked out but Available
22:54 rangi the results and detail pages, should be different in both
22:54 rangi shouldnt matter if its opac or staff
22:55 rangi xslt?
22:55 wahanui hmmm... xslt is broken for staff display in 3.0.x.
22:55 rangi wahanui: forget xslt
22:55 wahanui rangi: I forgot xslt
22:56 talljoy staff client search screen shows 6 available but the detail page shows them checked out but still Available
22:57 mtj talljoy: hmmm, i would force a partial , then full zebra rebuild now
22:58 mtj i guess its on a prod box...
22:58 talljoy i'll recommend that to start.  thanks.
22:58 mtj and 3.2, or 3.4?
22:58 talljoy 3.4
22:59 mtj ah ok... nice ;)
22:59 rangi id check if you have xslt switched on or not too, and see if that makes a diff
23:02 rangi ive found weirdness with availability and xslt before
23:04 mtj rangi: aah, i didnt know xslt touched the 'items' bit of the page
23:04 mtj good info for me
23:06 rangi it certainly does on the results page
23:06 rangi not sure about detail
23:10 eythian[…]pache.announce/58 <-- happy apache upgrade day!
23:11 eythian talljoy: there are two fields, you get "out but available" if they disagree
23:11 eythian talljoy: one is on the item record, the other is in the issues table
23:12 eythian the 'onloan' field
23:12 eythian this: update items,issues set items.onloan=issues.issuedate where issues.itemnumber=items.itemnumber;
23:13 eythian followed by a full zebra rebuild will ensure they're in sync (it assumes the issues table is the correct one)
23:17 talljoy what about the datelastborrowed field in items?
23:17 eythian if you want to, you could extract that from old_issues. I don't usually bother.
23:18 talljoy datelastborrowed wouldn't affect the availability status then.
23:18 eythian no
23:18 talljoy let me check the issues table.
23:21 talljoy bingo....we have a winner.  it's the onloan field in items that is set to NULL not a date.
23:21 talljoy eythian++
23:22 talljoy immediately fixed that problem.  easy peasy.  thanks!
23:23 mtj eythian: thanks for the apache heads-up :)
23:23 eythian no problem
23:23 eythian cool
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