Time Nick Message 00:16 rangi heya druthb 00:18 druthb hi, rangi! :) 00:19 rangi did you feel the earthquake whereever you are? 00:20 druthb I heard some folk here did, but I did not. 00:24 Agent_Dani We had that - I felt it while at work and my wife, who was at home some 15 miles closer to the epicenter, didn't. 00:24 Agent_Dani Apparently there was a pretty big aftershock just now. 00:27 mtj random linux Q... ext4 or ext3 for prod file-systems? 00:27 mtj any prefs? 00:27 druthb I've never used ext4. 00:27 druthb I've used ext3 and...hm...xfs, I think? 00:28 rangi dont know enough to have an opinion 00:29 ibeardslee we use ext4 for anything new .. although a couple of xfs for special cases 00:30 mtj ok, i might stick with ext3 00:31 mtj nah, i'll give ext4 a go - its a personal dev box, after all 01:14 eythian ext4 is pretty mature these days 01:21 rangi hey NateC, you survived eh? 01:21 NateC heh yeah bareley 01:22 rangi :) 01:22 NateC see i still cant spell 01:22 rangi :) good time had by all? 01:26 rangi http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/5495755/Text-tracks-down-motorway-samaritan <-- kids these days, sheesh 02:00 eythian is it just me, or is there no appreciable difference between acquisitions-history-search.inc and acquisitions-search.inc? 02:01 rangi havent looked 02:01 rangi i will tho 02:02 rangi nope looks very similair even with a diff 02:03 eythian cool 02:03 eythian in that case, I'm removing the history one and making everything use the regular one. 02:03 rangi sounds good to me 02:39 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6721] Add Basket number and Invoice number search <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6721> 03:27 druthb o/ 03:38 Amit_Gupta good morning ;) 03:38 Amit_Gupta heya chris 04:37 bg heya 04:39 rangi heya bg 05:21 BobB @wunder Sydney 05:21 huginn BobB: Error: No such location could be found. 05:22 BobB Not surprising 05:22 BobB Hey rangi, mtj - either of you about? 05:24 BobB ok will try later 06:32 reiveune hello 06:32 magnuse bonjour 06:32 wahanui what's up, magnuse 06:33 sophie_m hi #koha and magnuse 06:36 mtj BobB: hey, about for a bit. 06:37 hdl hi all 06:40 magnuse kia ora! 07:02 cait hi all :) 07:02 magnuse guten morgen! 07:03 cait god morgen :) 07:30 francharb hello all 07:36 magnuse bonjour 07:36 wahanui salut, magnuse 07:37 cait hi francharb :) 07:42 rangi evening 07:44 cait evening rangi 07:47 magnuse morning rangi 07:47 rangi heya cait 07:47 rangi and Agent_Dani 07:47 rangi gah 07:47 cait gah? 07:47 rangi magnuse: 07:47 cait hehe 07:47 rangi tab completion is sometimes unpredictable 07:47 magnuse hehe 07:47 cait but Agent_Dani? 07:47 rangi musta missed the m 07:47 cait :) 07:47 rangi typing to fast 07:48 cait lots of tweets from the conference 07:48 rangi oh i stopped after a while i couldnt keep up with the other people tweeting :) 07:50 magnuse i thought most people there was tweeting on paper? ;-) 07:50 magnuse s/was/were/ 07:52 cait hehe 07:52 rangi yep, but there were 2 that were really prolific 07:53 magnuse ah 07:54 magnuse i like the rss idea! 07:54 magnuse and the next step would be to make koha read email, right? ;-) (only kidding, the rss is interesing) 08:11 cait oh, the earthquake is on the news 08:25 rangi i think badges, plus the rss feeds things could be combined into your 'public' page 08:25 magnuse so everyone can see the stuff in your feeds? 08:25 rangi everything private by default, but you can decide what you want to make public 08:25 magnuse ah yes 08:32 * Oak waves 08:32 Oak Guten Tag cait 08:32 cait Hi Oak :) 08:32 Oak :) 08:33 Oak magnuse 08:34 magnuse Oak 08:35 Oak just ~4 months to go and there will be another year. how time flies! hm. 08:36 Oak weird. 08:36 magnuse too true! 08:36 * Oak goes into deep thought mode 08:37 magnuse but why measure time in years when you can measure it in koha releases? ;-) 08:37 Oak aha, yes... 08:38 cait hehe 08:38 Oak :) 08:38 cait but this year was fast, I agree 08:53 slef hi all 08:56 rangi hi slef 08:56 cait h islef 10:39 cait bye all 10:51 jcamins_away Hello, Amit_Gupta. 11:04 druthb o/4 11:04 magnuse \o 11:04 magnuse 4? 11:04 * druthb grumbles at her fumbly fingers. 11:04 magnuse hehe 11:04 druthb hi, magnuse. :) 11:05 magnuse hiya druthb 11:05 * druthb waves to Oak, too. 11:06 Oak druthb !! 11:06 Oak how are ye? 11:07 druthb doing pretty well. It's been a busy few days, but I'm healthy and mostly-happy, so I'll call it a win. 11:08 magnuse yay 11:09 Oak good good :) 11:09 Oak go easy on the work though. we hear you work too much ... 11:10 druthb I had an amazing meditation last night over a small piece of crystalline bismuth that someone very special to me gave me recently. stared at this little thing for a half-hour or so, then spent a solid hour on the cushion mulling over some things. That's very refreshing for me. 11:10 druthb I do work a lot, Oak....but who's been telling tales? :P 11:12 Oak oh cool. this is good. meditation... i want to start... i think i need it too. 11:13 Oak :) 11:14 magnuse wanders off to meditate on some lunch ;-) 11:15 Oak what do you have in mind magnuse ? for lunch? 11:20 druthb Meditation is very good for the mind and body, Oak, and it doesn't have to be anything fancy...just sit still someplace comfortable, and stare into a candle, and focus on the flame--that's how I got started. 11:23 Oak hmm. sounds good. i'll definitely try it. i am sure it helps ... 11:24 druthb don't worry about how *long* you can do it...don't set a timer, or even a goal time...just sit until you can no longer concentrate, for any reason, then get up. There's not much "right" and "wrong" when it comes to meditation; try not to judge how well you are doing it--except by how much better you feel afterward. 11:34 Brooke kia ora 11:34 Oak hmm... well, I think when I'll sit, I won't be able to concentrate in the start... then after some effort, I'll begin... :) 11:34 Oak oh hae Brooke :) 11:34 druthb hi, Brooke! :) 11:35 Brooke howdy :) 11:35 druthb Oak: that's the idea. even if all you can do the first time is a minute, or five minutes, it's worth the time you spend just sitting. The benefits quickly start to add up. 11:36 Oak I better try it then :) 11:38 druthb If a candle is not handy, some people repeat to themselves (unhurriedly) a favorite short poem, or scripture from their faith tradition. That works, too. 11:52 Brooke hey nengard :) 11:52 nengard hellp 11:52 nengard or 11:52 nengard hello 11:52 Brooke Beau would have run to my place if you needed help ;) 11:54 hdl Good Morning America. 11:54 hdl Hi Amit_Gupta 11:55 nengard aww shucks! thanks, just not sure how i'd get them to you and pick them up 11:56 Brooke he'd run. He'd totally find me despite never being in my neighbourhood. 11:58 Brooke it would be better than the Incredible Journey ;) 11:59 jcamins_away Is Beau the one on Ritalin? 11:59 Brooke he's the cute one. That's all that matters. 12:00 * Oak waves 12:04 nengard jcamins, he's on prozac 12:04 nengard :) 12:04 nengard Brooke has obviously picked a favorite :) hehe 12:05 Brooke baseless allegations are being made against my person! ;) 12:05 jcamins_away nengard: That's what I meant. :) 12:10 nengard Brooke you can have a favorite ... I'm the mommy, I can't :) hehe 12:18 kyle424 Hey all, I'm getting this error from zebra: koha-zebra-ctl.koha: failed to write(client_errfd = 6): File too large 12:19 kyle424 I'm guessing I'm running into the default 4-gig limit, but I can't figure out what I need to do to increase the limit, any ideas? 12:23 cait hi NateC, hi äkoha 12:23 cait #koha 12:23 NateC hi cait :) 12:25 Brooke read that too fast as Asoka XD 12:25 * Brooke has India on the brain. 12:25 magnuse kyle424: you can edit the limit in zebra-biblios.cfg 12:26 magnuse kyle424: on a normal install that should be /etc/koha/zebradb/zebra-biblios.cfg i think 12:26 magnuse but what version? the limit has been 20G since a while back 12:27 magnuse (early april to be precise) 12:32 kyle424 Maybe that isn't the problem then. 12:32 kyle424 The lines starting with shadow and register both end with 20G 12:33 kyle424 the filesystem shows plenty of available space. 12:35 jcamins_away kyle424: what file system are you using? 12:36 magnuse kyle424: and how many records are you indexing? 12:44 kyle424 It appears to have been an ownership issue, but now I've got a different problem. When I check out an item, Koha then says I have no items for that record on the search results page. A full reindex will make them show up as checked out. 12:46 kyle424 I think it's still the same problem. All the files in /var/lib/zebradb/biblios/register are owned by root, and I think that's causing the problem. I re-owned them to koha, and it appeared to work, but now they are owned by root again. 12:47 jcamins_away You have your cron jobs set up wrong. 12:47 jcamins_away They need to run as koha. 12:48 kyle424 I'm using the zebraqueue daemon. Both the zebraqueue daemon and the zebra daemon appear to be running as koha. 12:49 jcamins_away Oh, and never, _ever_ use the zebraqueue daemon. 12:49 jcamins_away It's buggy. 12:49 kyle424 I didn't know that was considered a bad practice. Does it have problems? 12:50 jcamins_away Yes. 12:50 jcamins_away It leaks memory and doesn't work. 12:50 jcamins_away The documentation says not to use zebraqueue. 12:50 kyle424 Thanks for the info, I'll set up the cronjob instead. 12:50 jcamins_away Good idea. :) 12:50 jcamins_away Okay, time to start the morning with a trip to the gym. TTYL, all. 12:51 kyle424 Thanks for the help jcamins and magnuse 12:52 cait did jcamins_away just say gym? 12:52 kyle424 indeed, something I need to start doing. 12:53 magnuse kyle424: np 13:14 oleonard Hi sekjal 13:14 sekjal hi, oleonard 13:15 cait hi oleonard and sekjal 13:16 sekjal hi, cait 13:17 magnuse hiya folks! 13:17 sekjal morning, magnuse 13:19 oleonard kyle907, I see you've leveled up ;) 13:24 oleonard hdl: Is Bug 3067 still valid? 13:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3067 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, henridamien, ASSIGNED , When using getRecords on commandline, facets makes it fail. 13:24 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6694] Anonymous sessions not kept when casAuthentication is on <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6694> 13:26 hdl oleonard: don't know. 13:26 hdl I think so 13:27 hdl unless facets don't use branches any longer 13:27 hdl Or GetBranches has been rewritten 13:27 oleonard If so, it needs to be updated to reference master and possibly have the patch updated as well 13:29 sekjal for CircAutoComplete, how many results should be shown, maximum, for any partial search? 13:30 hdl oleonard: seems that the edit was already merged into facets work 13:30 hdl So not valid any longer 13:30 oleonard thanks for checking hdl 13:31 oleonard sekjal: Is this part of your work on a unified patron search? 13:31 hdl sekjal: if you ask a librarian, he may answer 10 or 25 or all... 13:31 sekjal oleonard: no, it's tangential 13:31 hdl so ... :X 13:31 cait circautocmplete - the thing that suggests patrons? 13:31 sekjal we're finding that on databases with very large numbers of patrons, CircAutoComplete will bog a system down 13:32 oleonard sekjal: Does it not limit by default now? 13:32 sekjal looking at the SQL in circ/ysearch.pl, it's pretty clear why: it's unlimited 13:32 sekjal I believe the interface layer limits... I'm seeing a MaxCacheEntries value of 60 13:32 hdl maybe could take the patronperpage limit by default 13:33 oleonard But the results should indicate to the user that they are incomplete 13:34 oleonard (ideally) 13:34 oleonard Not that I've heard complaints about that aspect of it 13:37 sekjal if the interface is already limiting to 60 at a time, then I think the SQL should do the same 13:38 sekjal most of the time, I think people are typing 2-5 letters anyway before looking at the hits list, so those first couple queries are just wasted CPU cycles 13:38 oleonard I'm only seeing 10 results 13:39 oleonard By the way sekjal, in my work on integrating jQueryUI I have the autocomplete configured to not start searching until the query reaches 3 letters 13:40 magnuse sounds sensible 13:41 sekjal oleonard: that sounds awesome. start at 3, and limit to 10 or 25 (or even 60) in the SQL will significantly reduce the impact on databases with hundreds of thousands of patron records 13:42 oleonard The changes I refer to are client-side only. It's a configuration of the jquery autocomplete widget 13:42 oleonard So a script-side fix would complement it 13:42 fredericd current autocompletion system uses YUI which is deprecated in Koha, isn't it? 13:42 oleonard Not deprecated yet. Not until the jQuery UI stuff is ready 13:42 fredericd and yes, a SQL search without LIMIT is insane with large borrowers table 13:43 oleonard fredericd: We're still waiting on an official release of the jQueryUI menu widget to replace the YUI one 13:43 sekjal okay ,adding the limit to the circ/ysearch.pl SQL is a simple one-liner. Just need to file the bug report, and pick a number. 13:43 sekjal if the interface is only showing 10 at a time, then that would seem like a good choice 13:43 fredericd oleonard: ok, I understand (and favor this replacement since YUI begin to show its age) 13:44 cait hi fredericd 13:44 cait :) 13:44 fredericd cait: hi 13:44 wahanui hello, fredericd 13:44 magnuse since paul_p is not here: why not make the limit a syspref? ;-) 13:44 oleonard YUI seems to be another casualty of Yahoo's habit of eventual neglect 13:45 oleonard magnuse: As hdl points out, we already have PatronsPerPage 13:45 fredericd magnuse: it would be a transient syspref 13:46 cait hehe 13:46 * magnuse was mostly kidding ;-) 13:46 magnuse dinnertime! 13:46 cait dinner? 13:48 Agent_Dani o/ 13:48 cait hi Agent_Dani :) 13:57 cait time to change trains 13:58 * oleonard borrows talljoy_DND's 20-sided die 13:58 talljoy_DND lol 13:59 Agent_Dani That was how I read it at first... 14:31 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6769] Getting rid of some RIS format export errors and warnings <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6769> 14:31 magnus_afk 83 needs signoff! 14:44 jcamins_away smoothies++ 14:44 jcamins_away I don't understand how it took me 25 years to think of blending yogurt and fruit together and calling it breakfast. 14:47 oleonard I thought I would test the patch for Bug 6769, but I'm finding that with our without the patch my RIS exports contain almost no data 14:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6769 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, m.de.rooy, ASSIGNED , Getting rid of some RIS format export errors and warnings 14:48 wizzyrea jcamins_away: hehe 15:04 wizzyrea searching faq? 15:04 wahanui searching faq is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/searching/ 15:04 wizzyrea oh bother gotta clear teh cache, sec 15:04 wizzyrea but anyway, it should be working again. 15:05 * wizzyrea mutters about plugins that delete their data when updating. 15:05 magnus_afk wizzyrea++ 15:06 magnus_afk is there a way for patrons to return books, other than scanning barcodes in the sco client? i think not, but might have missed something... 15:06 wizzyrea no I don't think so 15:06 wizzyrea that would be considered "dangerous" in lots of libraries 15:06 oleonard magnus_afk: Like by crossing their hearts and swearing they did? :P 15:07 magnuse oleonard: yeah, something like that 15:07 magnuse i have a pretty "relaxed" school asking about it 15:08 magnuse i'll just tell them they have to scan barcodes 15:19 wizzyrea sekjal, about? 15:19 wizzyrea ah nm 15:21 lastnode|laptop hi 15:21 wahanui hola, lastnode|laptop 15:22 lastnode|laptop im setting up koha on ubuntu natty 15:22 lastnode|laptop is this guide current? 15:22 lastnode|laptop http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Ubuntu 15:22 oleonard Use the INSTALL file that comes with Koha. Are you downloading the latest version? 15:24 lastnode|laptop yes 15:24 magnuse or try using the PPA set up by the current Release Manager: https://launchpad.net/~koha/+archive/ppa (i'm not sure how experimental that is...) 15:26 wizzyrea I wonder if I could get a couple of people to look at/test bug 6253 15:26 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6253 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , Unified Patron Search subroutine 15:27 davi hi wizzyrea. Has leals.com been added to the support list? 15:27 oleonard Sure wizzyrea, anything in particular? 15:27 wizzyrea yes, actually 15:27 wizzyrea test the 3 part name search 15:27 wizzyrea and check to see if the library/category limiting works 15:28 lastnode|laptop magnuse: yeah that links to this guide 15:29 wizzyrea and finally check to make sure that searching on extended attributes still works 15:30 davi wizzyrea? 15:30 wahanui wizzyrea is probably amazing! 15:31 wizzyrea davi, had you addressed the legal concerns that were raised about your website, on the list or otherwise? 15:31 wizzyrea my apologies if I missed it 15:32 davi As per the email you sent me, and and per the decisions taken in the last meeting there is not any problem 15:32 davi I do not know addtional requirements are 15:33 davi What are those concerns you are talking about? 15:34 davi any URL to the mailing list? 15:34 wizzyrea they were brought up on the list, let me find the link 15:34 davi yes my MJ Ray, 15:34 davi they were not agreed on the last Koha meeting 15:34 davi Am I mistaken? 15:34 davi If so please let me know 15:35 wizzyrea davi - I have to go away for a little bit right now, but will be back soon 15:35 davi no problem 15:35 davi later 15:38 lastnode|laptop im havng a little problem with the SAX Parser 15:38 lastnode|laptop http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Ubuntu 15:38 lastnode|laptop in this guide 15:39 lastnode|laptop error message - http://pastebin.ca/2078137 15:39 lastnode|laptop i followed teh step and moved XML:LibXML::SAX:parser to the end of teh file 15:40 lastnode|laptop to the end of /etc/perl/XML/SAX/ParserDetails.ini 15:40 wizzyrea where is PurePerl in the list? 15:40 wizzyrea and I'm back :) 15:41 lastnode|laptop #1 15:41 davi welcome back 15:41 lastnode|laptop wizzyrea: #1 15:41 wizzyrea just for fun put XML::LibXML::SAX::Parser where PurePerl is 15:43 lastnode|laptop oh wizzyrea it looks like a path error? 15:44 lastnode|laptop lastnode@ubuntu:~/koha-latest/koha-3.04.04$ misc/sax_parser_print.pl could not find ParserDetails.ini in /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1/XML/SAX 15:44 lastnode|laptop it'slooking for it i in /usr/local 15:44 lastnode|laptop and im editing an ini in /etc/perl 15:44 lastnode|laptop k i copied the file across 15:45 lastnode|laptop looks good, apparently ^^ 15:46 wizzyrea cool 15:46 nengard easy jquery question ... how do make Surname say 'Last name'? 15:46 oleonard Where? 15:46 wizzyrea ^^ 15:47 oleonard wizzyrea: I'm not getting any results when searching for extended patron attributes 15:48 wizzyrea aha, and that works now? 15:48 davi wizzyrea: Could you provide me with that link, so that I can check it against the agreed in the lat Koha meeting? 15:48 oleonard wizzyrea: "works now?" ? 15:49 wizzyrea it works in current master, without the patch? 15:49 wizzyrea extended patron attributes searching works on current master, before you apply this patch? 15:49 oleonard Yes 15:49 nengard oleonard on the patron add form - sorry 15:50 oleonard $("label[for='surname']").html("Last name:"); 15:51 davi wizzyrea: If the rules agreed in the Koha meeting can be trashed by MJ Ray (slef) and you, just let me know. 15:51 davi If you are not willing to list leals.com just let me know 15:51 wizzyrea davi, I do not appreciate your tone. 15:52 davi no problem, sincerely :) 15:52 oleonard davi: You're not helping yourself by not being civil 15:52 davi I have waited for months to be listed 15:52 wizzyrea I am actually currently putting off other things to work on your listing. 15:52 davi first delayed but meeting 15:52 wizzyrea So the very least you can do is be respectful of my time. 15:52 davi ten just not listed even disagreeing the rules voted at last meeting 15:52 davi then* 15:53 davi I respect you, I am just a bit suspicous after all this delay! 15:54 davi Please, let me know anything at anytime 15:55 davi later 15:57 lastnode|laptop douchebag foss user 15:58 lastnode|laptop comes into channel of software maintained by volunteers 15:58 lastnode|laptop demands things 15:58 lastnode|laptop with smiley :) faces 15:59 nengard thanks oleonard 15:59 wizzyrea lastnode|laptop: well I wasn't going to go that far >.> 16:00 oleonard No point in lowering the tone all around 16:01 davi back 16:03 davi wizzyrea: Sorry if I look nervous 16:04 davi We are short of customers now 16:07 oleonard davi: Do you not have the original email thread where you first requested to be listed? 16:07 davi yes, I have it 16:07 davi I have read it several times 16:07 oleonard Why not post a new response there? 16:07 davi and all fit with the agreed in the last Koha meeting 16:08 davi If needed I will 16:08 davi but as wizzyrea , who already know all the subject, is already working in the listing of leals.com I think it will not needed 16:08 davi 15:46 < wizzyrea> I am actually currently putting off other things to work on your listing. 16:09 oleonard wizzyrea does not make the decision by herself. Since an objection was made, the decision should now get some consensus 16:09 davi A meetin was set in place with a point to discuss the subject 16:10 davi so it was discussed even in a meeting 16:10 davi the last one 16:10 oleonard It looks to me like there's not a problem, let's get others' opinions 16:10 lastnode|laptop koha tells me the following modules are missing http://pastebin.com/1TN5shay 16:10 lastnode|laptop do i need to get them via cpan? 16:10 davi I know wizzyrea does not take the decission her self 16:10 cait hm 16:10 cait hm, have you checked the logs for the meeting? 16:10 davi yes, I have read the logs 16:10 cait lastnode which os are you using? 16:10 davi and the wiki page 16:10 wahanui hmmm... the wiki page is broken again. 16:11 cait forget using 16:11 cait using is <reply> 16:11 lastnode|laptop cait: ubuntu, and i think i figured out why. sec. 16:11 cait ah 16:11 cait ah, I think you can install all modules with apt-get in ubuntu 16:11 cait no need to use cpan 16:11 cait you can even use the packages from debian.koha-community.org 16:12 cait and it will install all dependencies 16:14 lastnode|laptop yeah i think im about done, cait 16:14 * lastnode|laptop w00ts 16:14 cait ok 16:14 cait :) 16:14 cait got to the web installer? 16:14 lastnode|laptop installed and finished 16:14 lastnode|laptop yay 16:14 lastnode|laptop to clarify, zebra is just for search indexing right? 16:15 lastnode|laptop to backup library data, i juts need to backup the mysql db? 16:15 magnuse lastnode|laptop: yes 16:17 cait yes 16:17 cait if you don't make local changes you want to keep too, the database is enough 16:17 cait I think you could also backup the zebra index to avoid reindexing 16:17 lastnode|laptop thank you. can someone also tell me if this setup makes sense from a design POV? the school im working at has limited Internet access, so I'm thinking a LAN install of koha that rsyncs to a remote install daily 16:17 oleonard davi, I'm surprised you didn't email a follow-up query to the list immediately after that IRC meeting. I would recommend doing it now 16:17 lastnode|laptop that way the LAN db would always be up to date, and the remote db (for staff to check from home, for example) would nearly always be up to date 16:17 lastnode|laptop we only have 3000 books atm 16:17 lastnode|laptop but im thinking ahead 16:18 lastnode|laptop im terribly sorry if that is a dumb question in any way 16:18 lastnode|laptop as ive mentioned here before, im an English teacher, not a programmer/sysadmin 16:20 davi I did not want to press to wizzyrea 16:20 davi oleonard: ^ 16:20 reiveune bye 16:20 cait hm 16:20 cait don't think it's a dumb question 16:21 davi Thanks wizzyrea: Could you use <br /> at to break the paragraphs? 16:23 lastnode|laptop cait: since im not a sysadmin, i did look at koha hosting 16:23 lastnode|laptop but i think it's outside our budget 16:23 lastnode|laptop my main concenr is, if somethinghappens, data has gotta be recoverable/exportable 16:25 davi wizzyrea: Also, at join lines, some ones have lost the space. For example: "focuson" instead of "focus on" 16:31 lastnode|laptop once i run rebuild_zebra.pl 16:31 lastnode|laptop books should start to show up in teh catalog right 16:32 oleonard lastnode|laptop: Assuming you did the little dance, and are wearing the special hat. 16:32 lastnode|laptop im wearing a hat, but nobody told me about the dance 16:32 lastnode|laptop doc team needs to get on it imo 16:32 cait what did I miss? 16:32 * cait looks confused 16:32 * oleonard 's experiences getting zebra to work may not be universal 16:33 * cait sends oleonard cookies 16:33 * oleonard would so gobble up cookies 16:34 oleonard I would suggest we do a snack exchange on #koha but I fear my country has nothing anyone else would want 16:34 rhcl_away poor cait, so confused. Your missed the zebra dance that lnl and oleonard were discussing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk_9zqt1Rw4 16:35 cait oleonard: can't be that bad 16:35 cait I heard jcamins produces very yummy cookies in your country :) 16:36 lastnode|laptop is there a post-install guide someone can link me to maybe? 16:36 cait rhcl_away: thx for the link - but can't watch that from here :( 16:36 lastnode|laptop googling has not helped :( 16:36 cait lastnode: what's the problem? 16:36 wahanui i guess the problem is its human beings doing it 16:36 * oleonard loves that one 16:36 cait wahanui botsnack cookie 16:36 wahanui :) 16:36 cait me too 16:37 oleonard lastnode|laptop: Have you checked the searching faq? 16:37 oleonard searching faq? 16:37 wahanui searching faq is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/searching/ 16:37 cait search faq? 16:37 wahanui rumour has it search faq is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/searching/ 16:37 cait hehe 16:37 cait lastnode: I lost connection (on a train) what is the zebra doing? 16:37 cait or not doing 16:38 rhcl_away ah, you just gotta see it... 16:38 rhcl_away But it's particularly appropriate to the discussion about zebra and dancing above. 16:39 cait rhcl_away: I can't - would have to leave germany to see it 16:39 rhcl_away say what? Youtube banned there? 16:39 cait rhcl_away: blocked for copyrights 16:39 cait not youtube, but some videos don't work 16:40 rhcl_away sigh. OK, use tor. But the vid is just some guy in with a zebra head mask doing a silly dance. 16:40 * oleonard likes that we're the first hit on Google for 'Global bug squashing day' 16:43 rhcl and rangi is 7 on the list 16:43 cait :) 16:43 lastnode|laptop ok wonderful 16:43 lastnode|laptop thank you all very much 16:43 lastnode|laptop i am off to bed but will be back to pick your brains as i get ready to pitch this to the school administration 16:44 lastnode|laptop what a truly awesome application you guys have going here :) 16:44 lastnode|laptop good day, friends! 16:47 cait :) 16:47 cait good night 16:58 davi I remember to everybody you are invited to join leals.com as _owners_. See http://www.leals.com/partners 16:58 davi later 17:02 cait oleonard: checked="checked"? 17:02 cait sorry, only looking at a template right now and wondeirng if checked should be checked="checked" to be correct xhtml 17:02 oleonard Yes 17:03 oleonard <input type="checkbox" checked /> is invalid 17:03 cait <input type="checkbox" name="removeItem" /> 17:03 cait <input type="checkbox" name="removeItem" checked="checked" /> 17:04 oleonard Those are correct 17:07 cait thx :) 17:07 cait I am working on the big translation bug 17:07 cait lots of template changes 17:09 oleonard cait: I had not idea we had so many places that were still wrong 17:10 cait still invalid xhtml or directives in html? 17:10 cait I think the test will help that now 17:10 cait not the xhtml, but the directives 17:10 cait jenkins will start to whine everyt time a new one is added, but first we have to fix them all to make him happy again :) 17:11 cait if you want to sign-off on some I would be happy, trying to make no mistakes, but easy to miss something 17:12 oleonard I mean I had no idea there were still so many places in the templates where that incorrect template syntax was used (template directives inside tags) 17:12 cait ah 17:12 cait I think they kept creeping back in 17:12 cait it seems a smart thing to do 17:12 cait only it's not 17:14 oleonard The trouble is we all like efficiency too darn much 17:14 magnuse hehe 17:15 cait :) 17:15 cait thxfor the mail magnuse :) 17:15 magnuse your welcome 17:15 magnuse http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines might need an update? 17:18 slef yes, that needs quite a few 17:58 cait oleonard: does this make sense to you? 17:58 cait <div name="[% year.year %]" id="[% year.year %]" style="position:absolute; visibility:hidden; margin-top:0px; border:4px;" [% IF ( year.first ) %]style="visibility:visible"[% END %]> 17:58 cait never heard of visibility, but having it hidden and visible seems strange 18:00 oleonard display:none is usually what is used. Where's that from? 18:00 aarkerio hi! 18:00 aarkerio opac-tmpl/prog/en/modules/opac-main.tmpl change to 18:00 aarkerio opac-tmpl/prog/en/modules/opac-main.tt ? 18:01 magnuse aarkerio: yes, the templating system changed to Template Toolkit with version 3.4 18:01 cait serial-issues-full.tt 18:02 cait line 46 18:02 aarkerio I am following http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_as_a_CMS 18:03 oleonard cait: I wouldn't worry about it unless you can find a problem with how it works currently 18:03 cait hm 18:03 magnuse aarkerio: yeah, that page needs an update 18:03 cait what I did was make it an if else construction 18:04 cait and moved the style inside the other 18:04 cait so only visibilty:hidden for the if 18:04 cait and visibility hidden for the else 18:04 oleonard cait: What process are you using the find these errors? 18:04 cait there is a test 18:04 cait xt/tt_valid 18:04 magnuse oleonard: clairvoyance! 18:05 oleonard cait: How is it run? 18:05 cait perl xt/tt_valid... 18:07 oleonard And that's all? 18:10 cait yep 18:10 cait it gives you the lines and files 18:10 cait I am doing it by modules now 18:10 oleonard I get "Can't stat ./koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en: No such file or directory at tt_valid.t line 45" 18:11 cait started at the beginning, but skipped some in the middle 18:11 cait hm 18:11 cait where did you run ti? 18:11 cait from the kohaclone directory? 18:11 oleonard No, but it seems to like that better. Got results. 18:12 cait ah cool 18:12 cait if you could sign-off on some it would be cool too 18:12 oleonard Sure 18:12 cait rangi started but I had made some mistakes... updated the patches and trying to notmake them again :) 18:14 cait some have really a lot of errors :( 18:14 cait not so surprising that one of them is memberentry 18:14 cait it's bad for translation anyway 18:14 cait lot's of strings puzzled together 18:17 * oleonard can't log into self checkout 18:24 aarkerio mmm, somebody knows a way to add a page to OPAC? 18:25 aarkerio I want create just and HTML form 18:26 magnuse have fun #koha 18:28 cait rebooting, will be back 18:32 aarkerio how you debug Koha? 18:33 aarkerio I mean in PHP you can do something like die(var_dump($myArray)); 18:33 aarkerio to see what is in $myArray 18:33 aarkerio how can I do that in koha? 18:35 aarkerio or even better, how can I see Perl erros messages? 18:35 aarkerio Apache log? 18:40 cait back 18:40 oleonard aarkerio: Koha error log. There should be one for the staff client and one for the OPAC 18:41 chris_n can someone confirm that a "Category Code" limited search in cgi-bin/koha/patroncards/members-search.pl does *not* work? 18:41 cait hm 18:41 cait guessing here 18:41 chris_n in current master, that is 18:41 cait but I notiyed a while back it wants the code instead of the description 18:41 cait could this be a possible reason? 18:42 chris_n well, it does not work here with the code 18:42 * chris_n has a fix, but just wants to be sure he is not seeing bug ghosts 18:42 cait hm 18:42 chris_n or ghost bugs or some sort 18:43 cait give me a minute 18:43 oleonard It doesn't work for me chris_n. Does your fix add a category drop-down? 18:43 cait ah owen was faster 18:43 * cait has no mouse and is a bit slow today 18:43 chris_n oleonard: no, it just fixes the broken search code on the back end 18:43 chris_n which would not work even if it had a drop-down 18:43 cait a drop down would be nice 18:43 oleonard Ah, wait, let me check one more thing 18:44 chris_n check using an actual code 18:44 chris_n observe case 18:44 oleonard That was my problem. It's case-sensitive. With the proper case it works. 18:45 chris_n ok 18:46 * chris_n hates localized bugs >:-( 18:47 oleonard aarkerio: Still around? 18:48 aarkerio yea!! 18:48 oleonard Did you find your error logs? 18:49 aarkerio yes, thanks, also I am using: die Dumper { this => $this, that_array => \@that }; 18:49 oleonard Good, I was just going to ask if you tried Dumper 18:51 aarkerio thanks again, BTW if I created a variable in "Local Use" how can I get in a koha page.pl ? 18:53 aarkerio page.pl?p=page_test 18:53 aarkerio ? 19:00 cait no 19:01 cait you have to put it n th eperl code 19:01 cait like other sysprefs 19:01 cait and pass it to the template 19:01 aarkerio I typed: 19:01 aarkerio [% IF ( page_test ) %]<div id="opacmainuserblock" class="container">[% page_test %]</div> [% END %] 19:04 aarkerio I am following this: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_as_a_CMS 19:04 cait you can use paste.koha-community.org for pasting 19:04 cait it's easy and will be easier to read 19:05 cait oh 19:05 oleonard That's just the template aarkerio. Like cait says, you have to have the Perl script pass the variable to the template. 19:05 cait I haven't tried that yet 19:06 cait the koha as a cms thing 19:06 oleonard cait: The patch for opac-detail.tt doesn't apply for me 19:06 oleonard "fatal: cannot convert from UTF-8utf-8 to UTF-8" 19:06 pastebot "aarkerio" at 201.141.215.122 pasted "Add HTML page to Koha" (31 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/17 19:08 cait hmm 19:08 cait weird 19:08 cait I will rebase 19:08 cait working on serials right now 19:08 cait almost done 19:08 cait aarkerio: looking at the wiki page - it needs some changes for our new templating system I think 19:08 cait oleonard: that's the error you get? 19:08 aarkerio http://paste.koha-community.org/17 19:08 cait weird 19:08 oleonard That's the error I get when I try to apply the patch 19:09 cait ok, still opac-detail? 19:09 cait paulhad that too with one of my patches 19:09 cait but I am not sure where it's coming from 19:09 cait I always do the same things 19:09 cait on the same laptop 19:09 cait and some work and others not :( 19:10 oleonard cait: I think it's just a problem with git am and that patch. git apply works. Looks like there's a duplicate "Content-Type" header in the patch itself. 19:11 wizzyrea dumb question of the day... borrower extended attributes = what 19:11 nengard these are custom fields for patrons 19:11 cait aarkerio: one obvious thing you have to change is: pages.tmpl to pages.tt 19:11 nengard so you can create a field call driver's license for example 19:11 nengard and fill that in with a value 19:11 wizzyrea so they are defined in the authorized values 19:11 wizzyrea which is what I was really asking 19:11 nengard no 19:11 oleonard they can be, but don't have to be 19:11 * wizzyrea mutters 19:11 nengard they're defined in the extendended patron attributes section 19:11 nengard in admin 19:12 nengard http://manual.koha-community.org/3.6/en/patscirc.html#patronattributetypes 19:12 nengard if that helps 19:12 nengard lots of libraries use them for custom values 19:12 nengard and because they - unlike the sort fields - are searchable 19:12 wizzyrea interesting. we only use authorized values for that. 19:12 oleonard Oh, she totally just RTFMed you, did you see that? ;) 19:12 wizzyrea I totally did. 19:13 nengard i didn't mean it that way!!!! 19:13 wizzyrea ;) 19:13 nengard I just like seeing images and that page will show you where to go and how it's set up 19:13 wizzyrea the feature is pretty helpful in that regard. 19:13 cait wizzyrea: the additinal borrower fields you can configure under admin > patron attributes 19:13 cait oleonard: not sure where it's getting this form, I checked my git variables 19:13 cait hmmmmm 19:13 nengard wizzyrea yes, very helpful 19:14 cait can you sign-off? will try to investigate later 19:14 cait I am on a train right now (that is already 150 minutes late...) and have no mouse and a very slow internet connection 19:14 wizzyrea I just added a patron attribute that asks "is the patron a cat" 19:14 nengard HA 19:14 wizzyrea I crack me up. 19:14 nengard i should use that one for my patrons - since my dogs are patrons 19:15 wizzyrea soooooo I guess if you use authorized values and not this system, the results are not searchable? 19:15 oleonard I have a repeatable one one in my test system for recording the names of all the patron's pets. 19:15 wizzyrea lulz 19:15 cait wizzyrea: it's also nice because you can add unique fields 19:15 wizzyrea i love you guys 19:15 chris_n nengard: got the book, btw; looks nice 19:16 cait and you can match against these when doing patron imports :) 19:16 nengard oh good 19:16 wizzyrea right 19:16 cait we have student numbers in there 19:16 * wizzyrea idly wonders if libsysguy was aware of all of that 19:16 nengard wizzyrea - i think you can use an authorized value in an attribute and have it searchable 19:16 oleonard wizzyrea: Yes, but you can set up authorized values to be used in patron attributes if you want defined choices 19:16 nengard i'd need to test 19:16 cait if we haven't told him probably not? 19:16 cait it's not easy to guess that you can do that 19:17 wizzyrea i'm just curious because I'm pretty sure NEKLS isn't using the extended attributes 19:17 nengard wizzyrea i did train libsysguy to use them 19:17 nengard what he remembers after 3 days of me throwing info at him ... who knows :) 19:17 wizzyrea as our setup predates the feature 19:17 oleonard The only problem with searching extended attributes with authorized values is that you have to use the code, not the description 19:17 nengard ooo - that makes sense 19:17 wizzyrea well he was doing something with markiing patrons as active/inactive every night 19:17 chris_n wizzyrea: "predates" == "prehistoric"? ;-) 19:17 cait :) 19:17 cait I think if oyu use authorized values you perhaps have to search for the code instead of the description - but not quite sure 19:18 wizzyrea no, it's up to date, but it's like putting a new body on the chassis of a model T - the basis from whence we came (and the settings/setup thereof) may not take advantage of all that is available on our new body 19:19 wizzyrea simply because when we set it up, that wasn't an option. 19:19 nengard you know i said that today while teaching wordpress 19:19 wizzyrea (and it's working so why fix it) 19:19 cait oh, oleonard already said it 19:19 nengard i don't use tags on my site cause they weren't there when i started 19:20 cait irc lagged 19:20 wizzyrea yea, that's exactly the sort of thing I'm talking about 19:20 wizzyrea (plus, for me, one level of taxonomy is quite enough for wp posts, tyvm) 19:21 oleonard It's the same reason we don't use Koha's email notices for holds. We already had a workflow in place. Now I'm afraid to switch because I don't know if it will work the same. 19:21 wizzyrea this is probably a limitation of my creativity 19:26 cait never change a running system without good reason 19:27 cait does someone know how to access serial-issues-full.tt from staff? 19:27 cait I am not sure which page that i 19:27 cait s 19:27 cait and haven't found it yet clikcing my way through the serials module :( 19:28 * oleonard does the same hunt every time he works on serials templates 19:29 oleonard It's called by serial-issues.pl under certain conditions 19:29 rangi grep is ur friend 19:29 oleonard if ($selectview eq "full"){ 19:30 * oleonard uses grep for dummies, also known as his text editor's find in files search 19:30 rangi grep -r "serial-issues-full" * 19:30 rangi will tell u what files its referenced by 19:30 aarkerio hi! If I created a new preference in Home � Administration � System Preferences > Local Use 19:31 aarkerio how can I get these preference value? 19:32 rangi isn't cait on holiday?????? 19:34 aarkerio my $var = C4::Context->preference('prefrence_name'); ?? 19:34 cait good morning to you rangi 19:35 rangi yes aakerio 19:35 cait aarkerio: did you make the change I suggested? 19:35 rangi then you have to set in the template 19:35 aarkerio mmm, perfect!!, thanx!! 19:36 cait rangi: she is :) 19:36 rangi $template->{VARS}->{'name'}=$var; 19:36 rangi is the way to do it 19:37 rangi not the old param way, over time we will kill the instances of that 19:41 rangi 2 koha users speaking at the symposium today, should be good 19:42 wizzyrea more symposium today? 19:42 wizzyrea fun fun! 19:43 rangi yep 19:44 Oak good night dear friends... *hugs* 19:46 aarkerio why "". in this code: 19:46 aarkerio page_test => "". C4::Context->preference($page), 19:46 aarkerio ?? 19:47 rangi thats the old param method, dont do it that way :) 19:47 aarkerio so just: 19:47 aarkerio page_test => C4::Context->preference($page), 19:47 aarkerio is ok= 19:47 aarkerio ? 19:47 rangi no 19:47 rangi see what I wrote before 19:48 aarkerio but I see this is the current Koha way in opac-main.pl: koha_news => $all_koha_news 19:48 rangi ? 19:48 cait we can work on that when the translation issues are resolved ;) 19:49 cait :) 19:49 cait hm 19:49 rangi thats the old way 19:49 cait I treid the grep 19:49 cait but it found a lot of lines from th epo file and was totally unreadable 19:49 cait and sorry for the typos.. 19:49 aarkerio so, where can I find the API new way? 19:50 rangi I wrote it just above 19:50 rangi scroll back 19:51 cait oleonard: I still don't see how to get there hm 19:52 rangi param is an html::template method, we are faking it with template::toolkit, but transitioning away from it 19:53 rangi ok my bus stop bbl 19:54 wizzyrea aarkerio: in case you don't want to scroll up 19:54 wizzyrea $template->{VARS}->{'name'}=$var; 19:54 wizzyrea (it's rangi's example) 19:56 aarkerio oh! thanks, I didn't realize that lie was for me, so, $template->param() is deprecated ? 19:56 aarkerio line 19:56 oleonard Actually cait I think that template might be unused, now that I look further 19:57 oleonard cait: I don't see any links to serial-issues.pl in the template except from serial-issues.tt and serial-issues-full.tt 20:00 cait h 20:00 cait m 20:01 cait that might be an explanation 20:01 cait I tried looking at the template code but the breadcrumbs and title seemed not very familiar 20:04 aarkerio can I pass an array ?? $template->{VARS}->{'array'}=@array; ?? 20:16 rangi pass an arrayref 20:16 rangi \@array 20:25 aarkerio coo, If I want to create the Class use C4::MyDBFunctions, where should I put the perl file? 20:26 aarkerio $KOHA_HOME/lib/C4 right? 20:34 aarkerio are you using some ORM to get database records? 20:35 aarkerio like http://search.cpan.org/dist/DBIx-Class/ 20:36 cait no, we are not using that at the moment 20:36 cait I think you can find examples for how to query the db in the C4 modules 20:38 aarkerio Koha is pretty full featured and stable you are doing a great work guys 20:39 rangi if you are writing a brand new module 20:39 rangi you can put it in Koha:: 20:40 rangi or C4:: eventually everything will be in Koha:: as its cleaned 20:48 cait lol 20:48 cait "train is now 362 minuts late, we apologize ..." 20:50 rangi 6 hours! 20:50 wizzyrea jeez! 20:50 rangi there goes my theory of german efficiency 20:55 cait hm doing the math this isn't right 20:55 cait 162 20:55 cait still too much 20:55 cait only 162, I misunderstood I think 20:55 cait and there was a thunderstorm or something and we had to make a detour 21:03 rangi ? 21:04 rangi lightning hit the tracks? 21:07 cait no idea 21:07 cait they didn't tell us 21:07 cait or a tree on the rails perhaps 21:07 * cait good the last package of cookies at the bistro - yay 21:07 cait s/good/got 21:07 rangi yay! 21:13 rangi aarkerio++ #updating the wiki :) 21:13 jcamins_away I have a very dumb question. 21:14 rangi 12 21:14 wizzyrea a watched query never finishes. 21:14 rangi theres a dumb answer 21:14 jcamins_away I am supposed to cut the netting off of the flower, right? 21:14 jcamins_away It's something that has lots of petals, but there's a net around it so I'm not sure what exactly it is, or I'd Google it. ;) 21:15 aarkerio rangi, yey! I used the new way!! $template->{VARS}-> 21:15 rangi :-) 21:15 wizzyrea jcamins_away: probably 21:15 cait oleonard++ for signing off 21:15 jcamins_away wizzyrea: thanks. 21:16 wizzyrea i can't imagine it's very pretty with the net on :P 21:16 jcamins_away Not really, no. 21:16 jcamins_away We never had flowers in the house when I was growing up, because we're a family with bad allergies. 21:17 wizzyrea is it a daisy looking thing? 21:17 cait you could make a photo and post it :) 21:17 wizzyrea ^^ 21:17 jcamins_away Good idea. 21:18 rangi if you take the net off it will escape!!! 21:19 cait rofl 21:23 jcamins_away wizzyrea: cait: http://www.flickr.com/photos/50001341@N06/6077907872/in/photostream 21:24 wizzyrea yea, take the net off 21:24 jcamins_away Thanks. 21:24 wizzyrea it's a chrysanthemum 21:24 moodaepo @quote 21:24 huginn moodaepo: I've exhausted my database of quotes 21:24 wizzyrea or something like it 21:24 moodaepo @quote help 21:24 huginn moodaepo: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready 21:24 wizzyrea @quote random 21:24 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #72: "<nengard> it's evil xslt in the staff client" (added by jdavidb at 12:28 PM, April 29, 2010) 21:25 wizzyrea @quote random 21:25 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #97: "chris_n shakes his fist (again) in the direction of Redmond" (added by wizzyrea at 03:21 PM, October 08, 2010) 21:25 wizzyrea @quote randomc 21:25 huginn wizzyrea: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready 21:25 wizzyrea @quote random 21:25 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #43: "< Ropuch> Uh - beware of tea: it can burn your throat" (added by chris at 08:35 AM, October 30, 2009) 21:25 moodaepo @quote add <wizzyrea> a watched query never finishes. 21:25 huginn moodaepo: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 21:26 * wizzyrea giggles 21:26 moodaepo wizzyrea++ 21:26 wizzyrea it's true though! 21:26 moodaepo Most certainly 21:26 rangi @quote get 8 21:26 huginn rangi: Quote #8: "< wizzyrea> in my experience the transition to koha is much harder for libraries that are already automated" (added by pianohacker at 05:57 PM, June 19, 2009) 21:26 rangi hmmm 21:26 cait @roulette 21:26 huginn cait: *click* 21:26 cait hm 21:27 cait @wunder berlin 21:27 huginn cait: Error: No such location could be found. 21:27 rangi what is the one that has how to register 21:27 wizzyrea @quote get 23 21:27 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #23: "<gmcharlt> /msg munin register nick password" (added by wizzyrea_ at 04:25 PM, August 06, 2009) 21:27 cait @wunder Berlin, Germany 21:27 huginn cait: Error: No such location could be found. 21:27 rangi ta 21:28 wizzyrea i always remember that one because it's offset of our favorite one by 100 21:28 wizzyrea ;) 21:28 wizzyrea @quote get 123 21:28 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) 21:28 wizzyrea seewhatimean 21:29 rangi :) 21:29 * jcamins_away goes to make dinner and cookies, having successfully navigated the vase-ing of the flowers. 21:29 wizzyrea is that the vayse or vahse 21:30 moodaepo @quote add <wizzyrea> a watched query never finishes. 21:30 huginn moodaepo: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 21:30 jcamins_away I pronounce it both ways. 21:30 jcamins_away :P 21:30 * moodaepo gives up 21:30 wizzyrea hehe 21:30 wizzyrea i suspect ay is the midwestern pronunciation 21:30 wizzyrea and ah is the coastal pronunciation 21:31 moodaepo I thought 'ay' was just non east coast american 21:32 cait :) 21:32 cait @wunder berlin, deutschland 21:32 huginn cait: Error: No such location could be found. 21:33 wizzyrea @quote add <wizzyrea> a watched query never finishes. 21:33 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #147 added. 21:33 wizzyrea wow very laggy today 21:33 rangi yeah 21:37 cait so not only me? 21:37 wizzyrea nope 21:37 rangi @wunder berlin, germany 21:37 huginn rangi: Error: No such location could be found. 21:38 wizzyrea @wunder lawrence, ks 21:38 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 34.6�C (4:38 PM CDT on August 24, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 25.0�C. Pressure: 29.75 in 1007.3 hPa (Steady). Excessive heat warning in effect until 7 PM CDT this evening... 21:38 wizzyrea @wunder berlin 21:38 huginn wizzyrea: Error: No such location could be found. 21:38 wizzyrea wtf 21:41 rangi @wunder Schonefeld, Germany 21:41 rangi when all else fails, try the airport 21:41 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Berlin Schoenefeld, Germany is 19.0�C (11:20 PM CEST on August 24, 2011). Conditions: Heavy Thunderstorms and Rain. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 18.0�C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Rising). 21:42 cait thx rangi 21:42 cait sounds... invitin 21:42 cait g 21:42 rangi heh 21:47 rangi how far away from berlin are you now cait ? 21:49 Oak huh, 2:52 am. i guess i should go back to sleep. good night again 22:45 rangi wow 22:45 rangi steve jobs resigned 22:45 talljoy oh my 22:45 jcamins_away Really? Wow. 22:45 jcamins_away My ISP is trying to charge me an extra $5/month. 22:45 rangi for? 22:46 jcamins_away Fun, I think. 22:46 rangi heh 22:46 jcamins_away They just increased the price $5. 22:46 rangi stink 22:47 talljoy what triggers the 'Available' status on an item record in the OPAC? 22:47 jcamins_away Looks like it's time to call and demand a discount. 22:48 jcamins_away Ah, it's been a year since my last complaint. 22:48 jcamins_away That's why. 22:48 jcamins_away talljoy: you don't want to know. 22:48 talljoy tell me. 22:48 jcamins_away And with that encouraging thought, I think I'd better go get the cookies and set out dinner. 22:49 talljoy anyone else care to enlighten me as to the "available" status on an item record? 22:50 mtj talljoy, a successful zebra update, i think 22:50 rangi its a big combo of things 22:50 rangi is it available for loan, is it not lost, is it not withdrawn, is it not out 22:50 talljoy i figured, since there wasn't a 'available' field 22:51 talljoy i have an item that is checked out but shows as available 22:51 rangi right 22:52 rangi how often do your zebra updates run? 22:52 mtj the seach-results availablity is pulled from zebra, not sure about the details page 22:52 rangi details should be from db 22:52 mtj yeah, prolly a little zebra lag, there.... 22:52 rangi is it diff on search results and detail page talljoy ? 22:52 mtj rangi: yeah, i agree 22:53 talljoy i'm looking in staff client now. let me check the opac 22:54 talljoy okay. OPAC shows checked out. But the staff client shows them Checked out but Available 22:54 rangi the results and detail pages, should be different in both 22:54 rangi shouldnt matter if its opac or staff 22:55 rangi xslt? 22:55 wahanui hmmm... xslt is broken for staff display in 3.0.x. 22:55 rangi wahanui: forget xslt 22:55 wahanui rangi: I forgot xslt 22:56 talljoy staff client search screen shows 6 available but the detail page shows them checked out but still Available 22:57 mtj talljoy: hmmm, i would force a partial , then full zebra rebuild now 22:58 mtj i guess its on a prod box... 22:58 talljoy i'll recommend that to start. thanks. 22:58 mtj and 3.2, or 3.4? 22:58 talljoy 3.4 22:59 mtj ah ok... nice ;) 22:59 rangi id check if you have xslt switched on or not too, and see if that makes a diff 23:02 rangi ive found weirdness with availability and xslt before 23:04 mtj rangi: aah, i didnt know xslt touched the 'items' bit of the page 23:04 mtj good info for me 23:06 rangi it certainly does on the results page 23:06 rangi not sure about detail 23:10 eythian http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.apache.announce/58 <-- happy apache upgrade day! 23:11 eythian talljoy: there are two fields, you get "out but available" if they disagree 23:11 eythian talljoy: one is on the item record, the other is in the issues table 23:12 eythian the 'onloan' field 23:12 eythian this: update items,issues set items.onloan=issues.issuedate where issues.itemnumber=items.itemnumber; 23:13 eythian followed by a full zebra rebuild will ensure they're in sync (it assumes the issues table is the correct one) 23:17 talljoy what about the datelastborrowed field in items? 23:17 eythian if you want to, you could extract that from old_issues. I don't usually bother. 23:18 talljoy datelastborrowed wouldn't affect the availability status then. 23:18 eythian no 23:18 talljoy let me check the issues table. 23:21 talljoy bingo....we have a winner. it's the onloan field in items that is set to NULL not a date. 23:21 talljoy eythian++ 23:22 talljoy immediately fixed that problem. easy peasy. thanks! 23:23 mtj eythian: thanks for the apache heads-up :) 23:23 eythian no problem 23:23 eythian cool 23:51 jenkins_koha Starting build 392 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #385 6 j 14 h ago)