IRC log for #koha, 2011-07-05

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00:02 jenkins_koha cnighswonger: Bug 5379 - fails with db insert/update errors
00:02 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5379 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, cnighswonger, ASSIGNED , fails with db insert/update errors
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00:45 jenkins_koha * pianohacker: Bug 6492 - Deleted biblios cause rebuild_zebra to fail
00:45 jenkins_koha * januszop: Bug 6470 - Unable to filter out log entries for kohaadmin (user 0)
00:45 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6492 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, pianohacker, ASSIGNED , Deleted biblios cause rebuild_zebra to fail
00:45 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6470 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, januszop, ASSIGNED , Unable to filter out actions made by kohaadmin
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02:23 Brooke kia ora
02:23 rangi hi Brooke
02:23 Brooke :)
02:28 eythian hi
02:28 Brooke ahoy Robin
02:28 Brooke holy smokes, Batman, I've just unmasked the Boy Wonder!
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02:57 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6411 add another example to README.robots <[…]b894a306876c66d17>
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03:09 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bumping database version <[…]8b44e1244bea369b2> / Bug 6298 : Add optional dependency on Gravatar::URL 1.03 <[…]aa9fd1c4073e4dc57> / Bug 6298 : Create new ShowReviewerPhoto preference <[…]iff;h=413f3069610
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03:38 rangi crap, that was pretty big
03:38 mtj ooh, i got that one too :/
03:40 mtj heya chris, welcome home!
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03:42 rangi thanks
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03:46 jenkins_koha mason: Bug 6411 add another example to README.robots
03:46 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6411 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , add another example to README.robots file
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03:52 rangi[…]uakes/latest.html
04:01 chilts I didn't enjoy that one :)
04:01 chilts :(
04:01 chilts wrong parenthesis
04:01 rangi yeah lucky it was deep
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04:02 ibeardslee chilts: put it down to you still being shaking
04:03 koha owy
04:03 ibeardslee .. one of those 'ing's probably needs to be different
04:03 chilts ibeardslee: yeah, this building rattled like a snake
04:06 eythian I didn't feel it at all.
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04:29 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #316: SUCCESS in 42 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/316/
04:29 jenkins_koha * lrea: Bug 6313 -- Adding option to "attach another item" when finished attaching items
04:29 jenkins_koha * francois: Bug 6298 : Add avatar picture of comment author in OPAC
04:29 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6313 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, wizzyrea, ASSIGNED , Adding option to "attach another item" when finished attaching items
04:29 jenkins_koha * francois: Bug 6298 : Show avatars on the recent comments page
04:29 jenkins_koha * francois: Bug 6298 : Hide avatars when ShowReviewer is off
04:29 jenkins_koha * francois: Bug 6298 : Create new ShowReviewerPhoto preference
04:29 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6298 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, fmarier, ASSIGNED , Profile pictures in the OPAC next to review authors
04:29 jenkins_koha * francois: Bug 6298 : Add optional dependency on Gravatar::URL 1.03
04:29 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bumping database version
04:29 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 6350 Updating history
04:29 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6350 trivial, P5, ---, nengard, NEW , Bug for tracking updates to the history file
04:33 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6551] applying lending rules by item-level itypes <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6551>
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05:29 cait morning #koha
05:30 Judit mornig cait
05:32 cait earthquakes in wellington? hope everything is ok
05:33 Space_Librarian it was a little shake. nothing really. :)
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05:38 cait ok
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06:07 francharb morning #koha
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06:24 alex_a hi
06:25 cait morning francharb and alex_a :)
06:25 francharb hi cait
06:29 alex_a morning cait
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06:32 cait hi reiveune
06:32 cait and time to go :)
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06:48 hdl Hi
06:48 hdl Hi Irma
06:50 sophie_m hello #koha
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07:11 kf good morning #koha
07:12 Oak guten morgen kf
07:12 kf Salaam Oak
07:12 Oak :)
07:13 Oak how many days till you receive your laptop?
07:13 kf thursday I was told
07:14 kf no status change on the website though... going to call them later
07:14 Oak ah, not far now
07:14 kf feels like forever :)
07:14 Oak waiting does that you :) for anything
07:14 kf true
07:15 Oak i would not call them if I were you... wait till Thursday
07:17 alex_a hi Oak :)
07:17 Oak Bonjour Monsieur alex_a
07:18 Oak :) see, with a capital 'M'. I remembered
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07:43 kf Oak: there is something weird about the status - that's why I will call
07:44 Oak hm
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07:59 Brooke kia ora
07:59 Oak aha
07:59 Oak Hello Brooke :)
07:59 Oak long time
08:00 * Brooke hugs Oak.
08:00 Oak Oh sister where were you? :)
08:01 Brooke doing me rarified other "job"
08:02 Oak good.
08:02 Brooke ha says you
08:02 Brooke but at least it shook some rust off ;)
08:02 Oak good to have you back :)
08:02 Brooke thanks, I'll get a big head if you keep on this way
08:04 Oak heh, that I don't believe.
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08:05 Brooke 0/
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08:10 * Brooke <3s that Nawlins = Nawlins in Te Reo.
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08:27 hdl hi Brooke
08:27 Brooke bonjour
08:27 wahanui niihau, Brooke
08:28 kf hi hdl
08:29 kf congrats to biblibre :)
08:30 Brooke indeed!
08:34 hdl kf what for
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08:34 alex_a thx kf :)
08:34 alex_a but why ?
08:43 oakivil kf are you gettin my private message?
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08:45 kf hdl: young innovative company :)
08:46 hdl oh...
08:46 hdl yea thanks.
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08:59 oakivil what if my lib was to build a module to speed up cataloguing component parts and implement multipart biblios in native OPAC?
09:00 oakivil any ideas how much time it would take?
09:00 kf depends on what you want to do entirely I think
09:01 oakivil so if you have defined MARC21 field 773/w to point to some other record's  001 field, it would automatically be display in OPAC as a child
09:01 kf hm
09:01 kf there was some development to do that on an item level
09:01 oakivil so when you select the parent item with 001, you can see all its siblings
09:01 kf perhaps you want to look at that
09:01 kf but I think your solution might bemoer on the title level like oursß
09:02 oakivil well it wouldnt matter what the topmost item is
09:02 oakivil book or set or audio or whatnot
09:02 oakivil its all about the relationship, if it exists
09:02 kf there is an rfc on the wiki and some code
09:02 kf only thinking about it now - sorry
09:02 kf it's for analytics
09:03 oakivil links?
09:03 kf so on the analytic record the item from the serial/mother record shoes
09:03 kf[…]ic_Record_support
09:03 kf bug 5528
09:03 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5528 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Analytical records support
09:04 kf here are some comments on it, problems we found:[…]org/msg00855.html
09:08 Oak time to get ready for class
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09:35 oakivil is anybody working on analytic record support?
09:35 oakivil Assigned To : Galen Charlton
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10:01 druthb o/
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10:25 juan_sieira_ Hi #koha
10:25 juan_sieira_ is there any function or .pl to show a MARC view of an authority?
10:28 kf juan_siera: what do you want to do?
10:28 kf in opac you can activate an authority browser, searching there will give you a marc view in the details
10:29 kf there is not erally a normal view for authorities - the list ist readable, but the details are always showing the marc fields
10:29 kf in intranet you can also search for authorities
10:31 juan_sieira_ yes, but, librarians want to show a marc view of an authority, for example, when you are cataloguing, search for an authority
10:31 juan_sieira_ like when searching for z3950, in cataloguing module
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10:50 juan_sieira_ kf: there is nothing about it in koha. I did it for authorities
10:51 kf sorry phone call
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11:17 kf juan_sieira_: still not sure I understand it correctly - you could add a link to the plugin in cataloging (if there is none already) to the authority record in the authorities module
11:19 juan_sieira_ when you are cataloging, and searching in Z3950, in the list of biblios you can view it as card, marc ...
11:20 juan_sieira_ like this, I want to view the same in authorities list, when I do a search for authorities, in cataloguing, the window that is open when I do a clic in "..." link
11:20 juan_sieira_ Marc view
11:21 kf hm
11:21 kf sounds like a new feature to me
11:21 kf I think we have no different views for authorities at the moment - it's always kinda marc
11:22 kf perhaps you can do it using the same thing used for the biblio records
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11:27 kf jcamins_away: around?
11:28 jcamins_away kf: yes.
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11:28 jcamins Good morning.
11:28 kf ah hi :)
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11:29 kf I wondered if you can tell me something about cataloging oil paintings, coins, medals and other things in marc21
11:29 kf hard or doable? perhaps some hints?
11:29 jcamins I didn't catalog realia in MARC21, but definitely doable.
11:30 kf hm ok
11:30 jcamins The 245$h is [realia]. The relevant chapter in AACR2 is chapter 10.
11:30 kf so you don't know if koha will display the fields needed?
11:31 kf AACR2 - I have stayed away from that
11:31 jcamins I do not.
11:31 kf is it online?
11:31 jcamins Ah, true, you have German cataloging rules.
11:31 jcamins Not unless you're paying a fortunate for access.
11:31 kf will ask my coworker, she perhaps has it in print
11:32 jcamins If you have access to OCLC, you could download a record for an asteroid, see if everything shows up. :)
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11:33 * jcamins doesn't know which record that is, alas.
11:34 jcamins But there's definitely a record for an asteroid in OCLC.
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11:44 kf jcamins: do you have the oclc number?
11:44 kf ah, shoudl read all
11:44 kf and yes, we have it in print
11:44 kf but there it's lacking marc field numbers and categories... so I put it back on shelf quickly
11:45 kf and we found some paintings in our union catalog using 245$h and 300 for dimensions, looks doable
11:45 jcamins kf: hm, yes. That's true.
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12:22 jcamins kf: still around?
12:22 kf yes here
12:22 jcamins I'm looking at bug 6292, which you marked as failed QA.
12:22 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6292 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , Overdue notices have a bug when multiple overdues exist
12:23 jcamins It's early, so I'm having trouble identifying exactly what the problem is.
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12:27 oakivil ok, so how do I add this Analytic record support -module to my Koha install?
12:27 jcamins oakivil: if you mean the module from OSS Labs, they have to provide the code.
12:28 oakivil[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5528
12:28 huginn Bug 5528: enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Analytical records support
12:28 oakivil this is what i mean
12:28 oakivil I just dl:d the git-source
12:28 oakivil and now I'm trying to figure it out.
12:28 jcamins oakivil: that won't work with 3.4, so far as I know.
12:29 oakivil ok
12:29 jcamins They're rebasing.
12:29 jcamins I could be mistaken.
12:29 oakivil would have been nice to test it out and see what has been done
12:29 oakivil do you know how can i contact the author?
12:30 kf there might be still a branch on git for it?
12:30 kf not 3.4 but perhaps ok for testing
12:30 oakivil i got the git-source
12:30 oakivil but its such a pain to install it :D
12:30 kf hm, when you have a git install all you have to do it a git checkout
12:30 kf and drop recreate your database
12:30 jcamins oakivil: having the source is probably not going to help.
12:31 jcamins oakivil: if I understand correctly where things are, that is still using HTML::Template::Pro.
12:31 kf jcamins: yes, I tested this and I failed it - not sure my descriptions make sense. Basically it listed the wrong items in the wrong letters.
12:31 kf ah right
12:33 oakivil the wiki description sounds brilliant, but I have no idea how much of it has been implemented. I cant just say that this module will solve our problems without testing it first
12:34 kf the description on the wiki was done by ian - implemented from another company
12:34 kf so there might be some differences
12:34 jcamins oakivil: it's a nifty feature, but it's not nearly as fully-featured as the RFC.
12:34 jcamins At least, that was my impression.
12:34 oakivil ok
12:34 oakivil thats good to know
12:35 oakivil hmm so maybe it is 40% complete?
12:35 kf I think you are right jcamins
12:35 kf the wiki implementation was more general too
12:35 kf wiki descpription
12:35 oakivil wiki implementation was quite good
12:35 kf I think to amke this work for sets / general relationships t owuld need some more work
12:35 oakivil very well thought out
12:35 kf sekjal++
12:35 kf read hourly loans - that's coming and a good read too :)
12:36 jcamins The people who worked on it always insisted that everything worked, though, and never gave any instructions on installing it properly, so there is the possibility that everything they claim was written, and I just don't know how to install it.
12:37 jcamins The analytic module by OSS Labs does not offer a basis for arbitrary bibliographic relationships.
12:38 oakivil ok
12:39 oakivil but i expect the authorities module to work flawlessly
12:39 oakivil its such a simple piece it seems
12:39 jcamins oakivil: hehehe!
12:39 oakivil wrong again :)
12:39 oakivil just lists of words
12:40 oakivil how can someone screw that up?
12:40 oakivil or am i totally wrong?
12:40 oleonard How hard can it be to program an ILS, right? It's just a database.
12:40 oakivil haha
12:40 oakivil not talking about ils, but authorities
12:41 kf yes, but a database with insane rules... (quoting rangi here)
12:41 kf @quote 123
12:41 huginn kf: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
12:41 jcamins @quote get 123
12:41 huginn jcamins: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
12:41 kf thx :)
12:41 kf oakivil: what's the problem with authorities?
12:42 oakivil i was just asking that :D
12:42 oakivil is there a problem?
12:42 oakivil I presume not
12:43 jcamins oakivil: authority control presently requires that the numeric authid be embedded in the bibliographic record.
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12:44 oakivil so you embed only the authId not the value of authId?
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12:44 oakivil in marcxml?
12:44 kf hm, I think what you mean is that the auth_id from the auth_headers table must be = 001?
12:45 kf we cheated a little there
12:46 jcamins kf: no, I mean in the bib record, a subject heading looks like this:
12:46 jcamins =650  00$aTransportation$xTrains.$9123
12:46 kf yep, should be $0
12:47 kf but koha is older than $0 is
12:47 oakivil now im not following?
12:47 jcamins kf: either way, it's dumb. :P
12:47 kf it's not a mistake to use unique number for identifying records
12:47 kf I disagree :)
12:48 jcamins No, but it's a mistake to not be able to work with any bibliographic records not produced in Koha.
12:48 kf oakivil: authorities could be better integrated, but basic features work
12:48 kf ok
12:48 jcamins Remember, there's no working linker.
12:48 kf but I think that could be fixed by using better import scripts
12:48 oakivil is $9123 a auth_id?
12:48 kf oakivil: yes
12:48 jcamins 123 is the authid. $9 is the subfield marker.
12:48 kf the number of the authority record
12:48 oakivil but thats fucked up :)
12:48 kf no it isn't
12:48 * kf grumbles a little ,)
12:49 oakivil but when you export the marcxml you need to parse them
12:49 jcamins kf: the principle isn't. It's just the lack of a working linker.
12:49 kf ok, perhaps we can agree on that :)
12:49 oakivil then again
12:49 kf and I would like to see it moved to $0 - to match the standard
12:49 oakivil if authority is 1000 characters long
12:49 oakivil it will clutter the marc-string
12:49 jcamins kf: me too.
12:50 jcamins oakivil: no, the heading is still embedded.
12:50 kf but koha uses the number for linking instead of a text search
12:50 jcamins Right.
12:50 oakivil ok
12:50 oakivil and it should be used as text serach?
12:50 oakivil according to marc21?
12:51 oakivil how do you fix that when importing via z39.50?
12:51 kf afaik or was told the $0 subfield for storing the number was introduced late
12:51 kf oakivil: you get no authorities through z39.50
12:51 kf you have to relink them
12:51 oakivil nope
12:51 jcamins oakivil: you don't. Hence my complaint. There's no working linker, so you're basically SOL for any record you don't manually catalog in Koha.
12:51 kf or have them autocreated
12:51 oakivil but you have biblios where some have authorities and some have links
12:51 kf SOL?
12:52 kf in our case we swap fields
12:52 kf from $0 to $9 befroe import
12:52 jcamins kf: Stuck Out of Luck.
12:52 kf and all works well
12:52 kf but special use case
12:52 kf jcamins: thx :)
12:52 oakivil jcamins: kindergarten version :D ?
12:52 jcamins kf: you're a union catalog. Also, German catalog rules are logical.
12:52 jcamins oakivil: right.
12:53 oakivil but rhymes! ++
12:53 oakivil hmm
12:54 oakivil but if you export your mark data, its easy to add a sanitizer-module which replaces those authority links with their real values
12:54 oakivil so the output is according to standard
12:56 kf now I got used to being a developer, you tell me I am a union catalog. ... ;)
12:56 kf oakivil: $9 is standard to - local field
12:56 oakivil maybe its a praise?
12:57 kf he said german catalog rules were logical in the same sentence - not sure he is not being ironical
12:58 jcamins kf: no, I was serious.
12:58 oakivil i cant remeber those marc fields
12:59 oakivil $0 and $9 are equally strange to me :D
12:59 oakivil lemme check the manual
13:01 oakivil so $9 is a koha-specific field
13:01 oakivil no.. a local field? used in the local system?
13:02 oakivil so marc lets you use it however you wish?
13:03 kf oakivil: yes
13:03 kf everything with a 9 is for local use
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13:03 kf subfields, 9xx, x9x, xx9
13:03 oakivil ah
13:03 oakivil i see
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13:11 jcamins Except for 490.
13:11 oakivil are there any rules in libraries with zero exceptions?
13:13 kf oh right
13:13 kf oakivil: rhetoric question?
13:13 jcamins oakivil: yes, rangi has a rule that has no exceptions:
13:13 jcamins @quote get 123
13:13 huginn jcamins: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
13:14 oakivil lol
13:14 oakivil damn i did lol, sorry
13:14 oakivil librarians are crazy
13:14 kf but nice, right?
13:14 oakivil who is telling them what is profitable work and what is not?
13:15 oakivil well yeah, its easy to be nice when you dont have to take any responsibility for results
13:16 oakivil im not talking about all librarians
13:16 oakivil but in general
13:18 oakivil just an idea, but if our audience doesnt care about all the novelties of cataloguing, why should libraries?
13:19 oakivil or is it just Finland :D
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13:21 kf not sure about all that - but there are libarians in here ... ;)
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13:21 oakivil I know
13:21 oakivil but I dont find it meaningfull work if you sit by your computer and watch clips from youtube
13:22 oakivil maybe you should try to improve your workflows for ex or something usefull.
13:22 oakivil anyway
13:23 oleonard Yeah, anyway...
13:23 jcamins What does this snippet of SQL do: SELECT DISTINCT(issues.borrowernumber), firstname, surname
13:25 oakivil selects firstname and surname of people who have a unique borrowernumber in issues table?
13:25 oakivil is that a whole sql sentence?
13:25 druthb Borrowers who have something out will be listed.  If they have more than one item, they'll only get one listing.  (that's the DISTINCT)
13:26 oakivil yeah :)
13:26 jcamins druthb: but what's with the parentheses?
13:26 oakivil maybe DISTINCT is a function
13:27 druthb Shouldn't do anything, at that point.   I'd do it more as SELECT DISTINCTROW issues.borrowernumber,firstname,surname from issues JOIN borrowers USING (borrowernumber), myself.
13:27 jcamins Okay, thanks.
13:27 oakivil but JOINs are such a pain
13:28 oakivil but who know how DISTINCT works
13:29 druthb DISTINCT tells sql to choose only one, if it appears multiple times...not black magic.
13:29 oakivil yeah but does it use join under the hood anyway
13:29 oakivil as JOINs are quite expensive processes
13:29 jcamins That was just a snippet.
13:30 oakivil yeah
13:30 druthb DISTINCT doesn't, no.  You're still gonna have to JOIN to get the other fields.
13:30 oakivil ok
13:30 jcamins I didn't see any reason to flood #koha with a forty-word query. :)
13:30 oakivil its nice to chat once in a while :D
13:31 druthb SELECT biblionumber from biblio where biblionumber NOT IN (SELECT DISTINCT biblionumber FROM items);    is functionally equivalent to SELECT biblionumber FROM biblio LEFT JOIN items USING (biblionumber) WHERE items.biblionumber IS NULL;   I have not profiled to see which is faster.
13:32 oakivil you won! I surrender
13:32 jcamins druthb: I would submit that it doesn't matter, because the latter is readable.
13:32 druthb jcamins:  They're both readable, to me.  :)
13:34 oakivil then you can also comment :D
13:34 druthb hee.  Either will show you bibs with no items attached.  :)
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13:58 jcamins @later tell rangi Do you have an updated patch for bug 6292? I have a recollection that you said you had that working.
13:58 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded.
13:59 kf bug 6292
13:59 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6292 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , Overdue notices have a bug when multiple overdues exist
13:59 kf jcamins++
14:00 kf working on that deserves karma, not nice to test too
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14:00 * jcamins looked at the code, and now has a splitting headache.
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14:04 * jcamins must be a fool... he's looking at, and you know what Alexander Pope said about *that*.
14:05 kf hm no?
14:06 jcamins "For fools rush in where angels fear to tread." :)
14:08 oakivil :) ruuush
14:08 kf always learning something new on #koha
14:08 * druthb fears to tread into is *no* angel.
14:10 jcamins druthb: but apparently you're not a fool, at least. ;)
14:10 druthb Debateable.
14:16 * sekjal must be a fool, too...
14:16 sekjal though I finally found in C4/ the keys to how relevancy ranking works in Koha
14:16 oleonard Thank goodness there are *some* fools around here
14:16 jcamins sekjal: oh?
14:17 sekjal we weight certain fields, and differently under difference circumstances, but that combined with the inverse frequency rule, should give us pretty good idea of how that's supposed to work
14:17 sekjal I've been meaning to write up a short article on it
14:18 kf so relevancy ranking works?
14:18 * kf hides
14:18 sekjal I think it only kicks in if you do certain kinds of queries
14:19 jcamins Okay, surely there is a Perl library somewhere that does a good job of turning Google-like queries into tokenized... thingies.
14:21 druthb cd
14:21 druthb hrmph.  too much window-flippin
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14:23 jcamins Hm, something like Preempt::query::parser
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14:24 jcamins Only, I'd prefer something which parsed into a tree instead of weird arrays.
14:25 gmcharlt_ @quote random
14:25 huginn gmcharlt_: Quote #44: "<thd> People make bugs fairly much in the degree to which they contribute to the code" (added by gmcharlt at 08:07 PM, October 30, 2009)
14:25 gmcharlt_ sekjal: yes, specifically only for a generic keyword search
14:25 druthb @quote random
14:25 huginn druthb: Quote #76: "<owen> yes, it's all part of my plan to take over the world." (added by chris_n at 03:50 PM, June 02, 2010)
14:26 alex_a :)
14:26 jcamins gmcharlt_: do you know anything about CPAN modules for turning Google-like queries into something useful to computers?
14:29 jcamins kf: when your users are doing a boolean search, what do they use for operators?
14:29 kf not sure they are using boolean search
14:30 kf the librarians might, but the patrons?
14:30 kf I think and
14:30 jcamins Well, the librarians.
14:30 wahanui the librarians are crazy
14:30 wizzyrea wahanui++
14:30 jcamins kf: thanks. Thinking about "UND" and "ET" as operators.
14:31 kf UND and ET?
14:31 jcamins German and French respectively, nein? :)
14:31 kf how does et (want to call home?) work as an operator?
14:31 kf oh french
14:32 kf why are you thinking about operators in other languages?
14:32 * kf is totally confused now
14:32 jcamins kf: because I hate and want to nuke it from high orbit, replacing it with someone else's code.
14:33 kf k?
14:34 jcamins kf: so the question is whether the replacement needs to be multi-lingual.
14:35 kf I think everything translation related should be dealt with on template level
14:36 kf ah... tlakign about an expert search?
14:36 kf I was thinking about the advanced search form
14:36 jcamins I'm thinking about search queries.
14:36 oakivil since when has this chat been so much fun?
14:36 kf I think we should not parse and/or/not as boolean in search queries
14:37 jcamins If I were to type in "zeit und festschriften", should that look for the word "und" or should it just look for "zeit" und "festschriften"?
14:37 kf it should look for und too
14:37 kf because you will get a lot more results for zeit und festschriften
14:37 kf as boolean
14:37 kf lots of serials titles have "und"
14:37 kf lots of confusion for normal patrons
14:37 kf and even for libarians
14:38 jcamins But right now, "and" and "or" are magic words.
14:38 kf hm
14:38 kf probably not such a problem for us, because und and oder are not
14:38 kf was not aware of that
14:39 jcamins oleonard: how are things? And what do you think? :)
14:39 sekjal "and" = "&&" and "or" == "||" ?
14:40 oleonard It works fine until Stephen King follows up "It" with "And"
14:40 jcamins sekjal: but are we sure that users aren't relying on "and" and "or" being magical?
14:40 jcamins I agree in principle than stopwords are a bad idea in this day and age, but we don't want to break things.
14:41 sekjal I'm pretty confident of that... and anyone who's advanced enough at searching to expect such behaviour can learn to use symbols instead of words to accomplish it
14:41 jcamins Hey, this is interesting:
14:42 druthb De_java_fying_lucene++
14:42 sekjal java--
14:43 kf java--
14:44 eythian itym java-=1
14:45 druthb @karma java
14:45 huginn druthb: Karma for "java" has been increased 0 times and decreased 4 times for a total karma of -4.
14:45 druthb oooo
14:47 kf ok
14:47 jcamins Okay, I would suggest that something like Search::QueryParser would be an excellent replacement for buildQuery.
14:48 kf gonna leave - team goes to a biergarten :)
14:48 oakivil sounds wiced!
14:48 oakivil thursday beer!
14:48 jcamins And BibLibre could use something like that with their SOLR bit.
14:49 sekjal I think we should have the flexibility to support arbitrarily many incoming query syntaxes, and then be able to convert each of them into arbitrarily many queries against whatever indexer
14:50 sekjal build the adaptability into the module structure
14:50 sekjal so folks can try new things without breaking the old
14:51 sekjal and the "fittest" combinations for any given application will "survive"
14:51 kf sounds great but hard to write
14:51 jcamins Agreed.
14:52 sekjal oh, absolutely.  probably completely impractical
14:53 sekjal but I'm not going to worry about those kind of concerns today (a gift to myself)
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14:54 oakivil If we were to develop some module for Koha, who would make sure it stays functional throughout the version changes?
14:54 oakivil community?
14:54 wahanui rumour has it community is right behind us
14:54 oakivil depending the module is of any good
14:54 wizzyrea normally it's nice if the original author maintains it for a time.
14:55 wizzyrea fixing bugs, etc.
14:55 oakivil just thinking about the authorities-module and integrating it to a national authorities-repository
14:55 oakivil ok
14:55 oakivil but there was already a IDE for it?
14:55 oakivil in dve
14:55 oakivil in dev
14:56 oakivil no it was for the aquisitions module
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15:16 jcamins rangi++ # for fixing bug 5199
15:16 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5199 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , Renewals do not add branchcode to statistics table
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15:28 jcamins Is anyone else having problems with searching in Master?
15:28 wizzyrea define problems?
15:29 jcamins I _think_ what's going on is that keyword searching isn't working at all.
15:29 jcamins However, if I use limits, they work fine.
15:29 jcamins On the staff side.
15:29 jcamins So it's not opacsuppress.
15:30 wizzyrea hm
15:30 wizzyrea I am getting results here
15:30 jcamins It's QueryFuzzy.
15:31 jcamins Ooh, maybe I have ICU enabled.
15:31 reiveune bye
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15:31 wizzyrea later :)
15:32 wizzyrea from the advanced search, masthead search, or cataloging search?
15:32 * wizzyrea kind of hates that they're all different.
15:32 wizzyrea "kind of" might be a too-kind representation of how I really feel.
15:33 jcamins wizzyrea: masthead search and advanced search.
15:33 wizzyrea i'm not having trouble with that
15:33 wizzyrea in maste
15:33 wizzyrea r
15:33 jcamins Do you have QueryFuzzy on?
15:33 wizzyrea checking...
15:33 wizzyrea yes
15:33 wizzyrea stemming is off, however
15:34 jcamins Hm.
15:34 wizzyrea what search are you doing?
15:34 wizzyrea as your keyword
15:34 jcamins I tried "smith" "book" and "springerlink".
15:35 jcamins Yeah, I have ICU on.
15:35 wizzyrea aha
15:35 jcamins Okay, here's an opportunity for me to fix the quoting in ICU.
15:35 wizzyrea :)
15:39 jcamins I'd forgotten how bad the documentation for ICU and Zebra was.
15:41 * larryb is away:
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15:46 jcamins icu--
15:49 oleonard Bug 6555... This again? I thought I fixed that.
15:49 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6555 major, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , only 10 lists in pull down when adding from a bib record
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15:51 oleonard Bug 3523
15:51 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3523 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, RESOLVED FIXED, Menu of existing lists limited to 10
15:52 * oleonard grumbles
15:52 wizzyrea TT?
15:52 wahanui hmmm... TT is here
15:52 wizzyrea forget TT
15:52 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot tt
15:52 wizzyrea TT is <reply>
15:52 wizzyrea forget TT
15:52 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot tt
15:52 oleonard Seems the most likely explanation.
15:52 wizzyrea TT is Template::Toolkit
15:53 wizzyrea H::T::P is HTML::Template::Pro
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16:05 oakivil how can i find you @ facebook?
16:11 slef yo oakivil did you see my comment to you a few days ago?
16:11 oakivil hmm
16:11 oakivil i saw some but cant remeber
16:11 oakivil what you mean
16:12 slef about EDI?
16:12 oakivil ah yeah
16:12 slef ok cool
16:12 oakivil thanks i remeber
16:12 oakivil maybe ill find the article again
16:13 oakivil EDI is exactly the thuing we have in use in our previous system
16:14 oakivil it'd be way cool to have it in Koha
16:15 oakivil sorry have to go
16:15 oakivil nice chatting with you nice librarians!
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16:38 library_systems_guy does anybody know the best way to truncate the biblios table and not mess up zebra?
16:39 jcamins library_systems_guy: truncate first, -b -r next.
16:40 library_systems_guy thanks jcamins
16:40 jcamins library_systems_guy: deletes do not cascade to the issues table, so you'll need to delete all issues manually.
16:43 library_systems_guy gotcha
16:43 library_systems_guy man that truncate too .5 mins
16:43 library_systems_guy 2.5*
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16:58 * jcamins wishes he could redo searching in Koha.
16:58 hdl jcamins: -b -r does nothing when no data is exported
16:59 jcamins hdl: oh. That's not such good advice, then.
16:59 jcamins library_systems_guy: sorry.
16:59 hdl (it should just do the init, but it does not.)
16:59 jcamins Create a record, then do the rebuild.
16:59 hdl zebraidx -c path/to/zebra-biblios.cfg -d biblios init
16:59 jcamins Then delete the record, and run rebuild_zebra with -z
16:59 jcamins Or do that.
16:59 hdl is doing that
16:59 jcamins :)
17:00 hdl then
17:00 hdl zebraidx -c path/to/zebra-biblios.cfg -d biblios commit
17:00 hdl to make sure the database is created and contains NOTHING
17:00 hdl It may be part of the rebuild_zebra rewriting that tcohen did...
17:00 hdl But maybe not.
17:01 hdl had no time to look
17:01 hdl has anyone had any problems with entities in zebra ?
17:01 jcamins hdl: do you have an example of the ICU configuration you use with your clients?
17:02 jcamins *use successfully
17:02 hdl sure see Univ_Lyon3 branch on our repository
17:02 hdl I sent some messages about that.
17:02 hdl on list
17:03 jcamins hdl: yes, but right now I have the real live hdl to give me the latest information. ;)
17:03 hdl I am having odd behaviour with &
17:03 jcamins hdl: as for the entities, yeah, I've seen that.
17:04 jcamins Zebra doesn't correctly convert entities when using MARCXML.
17:04 hdl have you made a fix to get correct & with usmarc?
17:04 jcamins Yes.
17:04 jcamins It's in
17:04 hdl is it pushed somewhere ?
17:05 jcamins Yeah, it's in Koha.
17:05 jcamins I'm finding it for you now. :)
17:05 jcamins Bug 3326.
17:05 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3326 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, RESOLVED FIXED, xml entity refs display incorrectly in results page if exported and indexed as xml
17:07 jcamins Ooh, that's frustrating.
17:07 hdl[…]63e6cc95f543ab436
17:07 jcamins Speaking of entities screwing up Zebra, it looks like the problem with my ICU configuration is that I had an entity.
17:08 library_systems_guy bleh zebra
17:08 library_systems_guy just came back to see all of that
17:10 jcamins hdl: did you see my patches?
17:11 hdl well saw that. But imho it is a ZOOM bug.
17:11 hdl or a zebra bug...
17:11 hdl *sigh...
17:12 * jcamins agrees, but that's a workaround.
17:12 hdl jcamins: we have some command line tools here which relies on SimpleSearch
17:12 hdl And ...
17:12 jcamins hdl: oh. Yuck.
17:12 hdl well never mind.
17:13 * hdl can't think of a single reason to keep the zebra alive.
17:14 jcamins It's small.
17:14 hdl not that small
17:14 hdl when you look at the amount of data
17:14 hdl and when you consider its CPU usage
17:16 jcamins There's a point, though, where the overhead of a system like solr overweighs the improved marginal resource requirements.
17:17 jcamins In tiny catalogs, for example.
17:18 hdl mmm considering you can host a solr cluster for those libraries, and manage that for them, it is a small advantage.
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17:21 adnc hello
17:21 wahanui hi, adnc
17:21 adnc rangi, ping!
17:21 sekjal hdl:  that'd work for libraries who're getting support from a company that has a Solr cluster... what about small, independent libraries that need to search 100,000 biblios?
17:22 hdl sekjal: come on...
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17:22 Brooke kia ora
17:22 hdl thunderbird solr you can install on your own
17:22 adnc does someone have any news in terms of koha 4 and debian packages?
17:22 sekjal adnc:  there is no Koha 4 yet
17:23 adnc 3.4
17:23 adnc i mean 3.4
17:23 sekjal ah
17:23 sekjal I believe that 3.4 works with packaging...
17:23 hdl solr is not debian packaged any longer at the moment. But
17:23 hdl we could build one package...
17:24 adnc but?
17:24 wahanui but is he still alive because he's a human and the book allowed him to survive the zombies, or because he's a zombie and the book spread useful (to him) misinformation among the humans?
17:24 Brooke one package ++
17:24 Brooke ha!
17:25 Brooke bots say the funniest things :D
17:25 Brooke whanaui forget but
17:25 Brooke oops
17:25 Brooke wahanui forget but
17:25 wahanui Brooke: I forgot but
17:25 wizzyrea forget but
17:25 wizzyrea but is <reply>
17:25 adnc wahanui: ping
17:25 wahanui adnc: excuse me?
17:27 Brooke wahanui?
17:27 wahanui Brooke?
17:27 Brooke wahanui is a naughty bot.
17:27 Brooke wahanui?
17:27 wahanui Brooke?
17:27 Brooke apparently he's above self depricating humour
17:27 Brooke at that rate he might disobey Asimov's rules...
17:27 jcamins Brooke: he has <reply>
17:30 jcamins Okay, who came up with the Zebra XML schemata?
17:30 druthb wahanui: Brooke?
17:30 wahanui Brooke tripped on the cord, broke the internet
17:30 druthb lolz
17:30 druthb wahanui: druthb?
17:30 wahanui you are Brooke's sugar mama!
17:31 * druthb falls out of her chair.
17:31 Brooke heh
17:32 Brooke I insist that was the dude's standard bit.
17:32 Brooke he said it to like *everyone* in line.
17:32 jcamins Brooke: huh?
17:32 hdl jcamins: ?
17:33 Brooke the druthb comment.
17:33 hdl who came up with the Zebra XML schemata???
17:33 jcamins hdl: yes. The DOM indexing configuration schema and the ICU schema are both ridiculous.
17:34 hdl DOM indexing for authorities ?
17:34 jcamins hdl: the format in general. We're looking at getting it working for biblios, too.
17:34 hdl which icu schema ? the one i sent you ?
17:34 jcamins Yeah.
17:34 jcamins Not the contents of the file, but the format.
17:35 jcamins The contents are sensible. However, it's basically a text file with lots of angle braces.
17:35 * jcamins suspects that "schema" means something else in French.
17:35 * jcamins hopes it doesn't have an insulting meaning.
17:36 hdl well the format of the icu chain and DOM is something a company from the north could answer on.
17:37 jcamins hdl: yes, I know. That was really more of a rhetorical question, to express my frustration at the format's silliness.
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17:45 Brooke 0/
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17:46 jcamins Does my latest addition to the jQuery library make sense?
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17:46 jcamins To the extent that the change makes any sense, I mean.
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17:57 Brooke wb nengard
17:58 nengard :)
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18:17 Brooke welcome back owen
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19:02 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6556] The popup menu in the Z39.50 search results doesn't point to the correct record. <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6556>
19:25 rhcl I propose we put wahanui and zebra on a closed network circuit, setup an recursive endless ping flood between them, and let them annihilate each other.
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19:50 rangi if ppl are gonna bitch about wahanui ill happily turn it off
19:50 wizzyrea i like him
19:51 * jcamins likes wahanui
19:51 jcamins wahanui: jcamins?
19:51 wahanui you are probably supposed to be an outstanding cook. or well-traveled and brilliant. or trying to think of a solution, but short of a set of three sysprefs (ShelfBrowserUsesLocation, ShelfBrowserUsesCcode, and ShelfBrowserUsesHomeBranch), I don't really have any ideas. or awesome fixing broken email notifications
19:51 jcamins :D
19:51 wizzyrea lol @ the third one
19:52 wizzyrea i like him for things like this
19:52 wizzyrea TT?
19:52 wahanui i think TT is Template::Toolkit
19:52 wizzyrea LOL?
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20:07 rangi my stop bbiab
20:17 rangi back
20:22 rangi @wunder wellington nz
20:22 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 12.0�C (8:00 AM NZST on July 06, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 28.97 in 981 hPa (Steady).
20:22 nengard @wunder 19030
20:22 huginn nengard: The current temperature in Maple Point, Langhorne, Pennsylvania is 32.1�C (3:40 PM EDT on July 05, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 41%. Dew Point: 17.0�C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1011.7 hPa (Falling).
20:22 rangi
20:23 * wizzyrea cheers
20:23 wizzyrea using_consistent_themes++
20:24 wizzyrea srsly yay.
20:24 * wizzyrea doesn't know who to give karma too.
20:24 wizzyrea to*
20:24 rangi tcohen++
20:24 rangi not sure who else
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20:32 cait hi #koha
20:33 rangi hiya cait
20:37 nengard is 942c required by Koha to be filled in?
20:37 wizzyrea tcohen++
20:37 wizzyrea spanish_speaking_kohackers++
20:38 rangi yes nengard
20:38 nengard thought so :)
20:38 cait hi rangi, nengard and wizzyrea :)
20:38 nengard hiya
20:38 wizzyrea cait! Hi :D
20:38 cait :)
20:39 cait is the spanish website available now?
20:39 rangi yup
20:39 bg rangi - I'm not totally sure that 942c is required - at least it doesn't seem to totally break things without it
20:39 bg I mean I know it used to be
20:39 cait oh cool
20:40 rangi yeah ti doesnt totally break things, just sometimes does in unexpected places
20:40 cait how did they do it? the translation?
20:40 rangi i dunno
20:40 wizzyrea i'm not sure that it's not just a full translation
20:40 cait druthb told when you have a 942$c (itemtype - right?) it will autofill this in for new items you create
20:41 cait wizzyrea ?
20:41 rangi yup, you can of course change it, but yes it does choose that by default
20:41 wizzyrea I think they may have just translated the posts
20:41 wizzyrea manually
20:42 cait hm static pages, no wordpress?
20:42 wizzyrea I think it's wp, certainly looks like wp
20:42 wizzyrea but they can translate the posts into their wp manually
20:42 wizzyrea i.e. a lot of work
20:43 wizzyrea which I commend them for
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20:47 cait it looks great
20:54 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6305: receiving serials does not create items <[…]3fdcb90aed75f2507> / Bug 6305: Copy enumchron into created serial item <[…]027bdb3f6fcbc9b25> / Bug 6305: Subscriptions can not be edited <[…]a=commitdiff;h=3b
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20:58 Brooke kia ora!
21:00 rangi heya Brooke
21:01 Brooke :D
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21:03 cait hi Brooke :)
21:05 cait morning Space_Librarian
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21:06 * cait sends some schokokekse
21:06 Space_Librarian morning cait
21:06 Brooke cait you had me at hello, but the schokokekse helps ;)
21:06 wizzyrea mornin Space_Librarian
21:06 Space_Librarian morning wizzyrea
21:07 cait :)
21:08 Space_Librarian cait: nom!
21:08 * Space_Librarian passes around some ANZAC cookies
21:08 wizzyrea ooooo
21:08 wizzyrea I've been meaning to make those from jo's recipe
21:09 wizzyrea who added the lovely green and red in the fines interface? that was a great idea
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21:13 Space_Librarian \o
21:13 cait hi druthb :)
21:13 * cait hands you a schokokeks
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21:14 * druthb nibbles on it.
21:14 Brooke mmmm ANZAC biccies.
21:15 ibeardslee ahh good ol'
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21:20 rangi wizzyrea: i cant remember who did that it is cool though
21:20 * druthb waves to rangi
21:20 wizzyrea it's one of the little things my librarians have squeed over after our completely painless upgrade over the weekend
21:20 cait :)
21:21 Brooke painless upgrades++
21:21 rangi heya druthb
21:22 druthb hi, wizzyrea!
21:22 druthb larryb++ #painless NEKLS upgrade
21:22 rangi yep
21:22 rangi larryb++ #hes good people
21:23 larryb Ah, shucks. I'm blushing.
21:23 cait larryb++ :)
21:23 druthb It's a karma-storm!
21:24 druthb @karma larryb
21:24 huginn druthb: Karma for "larryb" has been increased 10 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 10.
21:24 Brooke ten's not enough!
21:24 Brooke larryb++
21:24 rangi heh
21:26 cait :)
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21:27 wizzyrea oh yea larryb++
21:27 wizzyrea it's beeping him probably and annoying I bet.
21:27 rangi you made him leave!!!
21:27 cait oh
21:29 cait time to leave for me too - sleep
21:29 cait bye all :)
21:30 Brooke night babe
21:30 rangi cya cait
21:30 Brooke jeez, first I trip over the power cord to the Interwebs, now I make larryb leave. I can't do anything properly.
21:30 Space_Librarian bye cait
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21:34 * Brooke is mixing up beer based pizza dough. How hard can it be?
21:34 wizzyrea !
21:34 wizzyrea easy :)
21:36 Brooke I should practice my tossing if the little mister isn't about
21:36 Brooke I practiced on the sly at Rosa's but it wasn't the same.
21:37 jcamins_away Brooke: using the beer for leavening?
21:37 Brooke a yep
21:38 Brooke little flavour, too
21:38 wizzyrea
21:38 Brooke but mostly since I can't find the bloody pizza yeast I used to use back in the day anywhere anymore
21:38 wizzyrea oh bother
21:38 wizzyrea but uh, enjoy that.
21:38 rangi heh
21:39 * jcamins_away uses regular yeast, or a sourdough starter, and a *very* hot oven.
21:39 jcamins_away wizzyrea: Israeli couscous?
21:39 * jcamins_away didn't follow the link, just guessing based on the title.
21:42 wizzyrea nah, it's a brand of hummus
21:42 jcamins_away wizzyrea: I know.
21:43 rangi righto meetings
21:43 rangi bbiab
21:43 jcamins_away wizzyrea: but, "Just add Sabra"... shouldn't that be about Israeli couscous?
21:43 wizzyrea it does have couscous in it I think
21:43 wizzyrea I was going to make it with quinoa though
21:43 jcamins_away Mmm.
21:43 wizzyrea i have a giant tub of quinoa in my fridge, just waiting to be mixed with stuff
21:45 Brooke I have a source for the sultanas.
21:46 Brooke http://lesttheybelost.blogspot[…]sultana-cake.html
21:46 Brooke didn't dare even start that with stupid SunMaid junk.
21:46 Brooke I got my pound from the Turkish Bakery in Watertown MA
21:46 Brooke Sevan :)
21:47 Brooke saw those gold babies
21:47 Brooke and I was like, guess who's comin' home
21:49 Brooke I anticipate mercilessly botching that receipt since it's a baked good, BUT at least I'll not be able to blame the raisins.
21:49 rhcl Hate to open the oven door and make the pizza go flat, but I wanna talk about stuff.
21:49 Brooke stuff away!
21:49 rhcl So when you import a batch of records into the db, they go into a pool or batch. And after you process them you can clean them, but they apparently don't ever get deleted and go away to /dev/null.
21:50 rhcl So wouldn't that be a good thing--to nuke 'em? Would it be hard to do? The sysadmin in me says just do #rm -f poolbatchfile.rec.
21:50 Brooke there should be quite a bit on the listservs about that
21:52 jcamins_away Argh! I forgot the password for my printer.
21:53 rhcl what does it mean for a staged record to be "cleaned"
21:53 Brooke p4sswd?
21:53 wizzyrea admin?
21:53 jcamins_away Oh, there we go.
21:53 Brooke cat's name?
21:53 wizzyrea rhcl I think it takes it out of the search results
21:53 Brooke we must know for future use :P
21:54 jcamins_away The password dialog was blocking the part of the page that said "here's the password."
21:54 Brooke ha!
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22:46 wizzyrea heya, you about?
22:49 bg yup
22:49 bg heh
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23:30 druthb o/
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23:32 Brooke kia ora
23:32 rangi back
23:32 rangi that was ... something
23:37 druthb hi, Brooke.  wb, rangi. :)
23:38 Brooke 0/
23:38 rangi thanks
23:38 Brooke how am I cooking pizza without you glued to my window?
23:42 Space_Librarian I have never been more appalled by the behaviour of a national library. ever. It was an embarassment to the profession.
23:44 * druthb has clearly missed something
23:45 Space_Librarian we've just come back from the kōtui debrief
23:45 Brooke I'll swap your National Library for LOC
23:46 Brooke oh right, terroristic threats are illegal
23:46 Brooke disregard that.
23:46 mtj Space_Librarian: whats the general story-so-far?
23:46 Space_Librarian well, put it this way
23:46 Space_Librarian Koha was too advanced for their RFP
23:46 Space_Librarian in a nutshell
23:47 chilts Space_Librarian: doesn't sound good :(
23:47 chilts was that the one rangi was at too?
23:47 rangi yup
23:47 Space_Librarian yep
23:47 rangi but at least i can meet you for lunch now chilts :)
23:47 chilts heh, cool! :)
23:47 Space_Librarian :)
23:47 chilts so how do you mean 'too advanced'?
23:47 chilts I get the gist, but I guess they had specifics
23:48 rangi they wanted a discovery layer seperate to the ILS
23:48 Space_Librarian their rfp couldn't handle an lms with an integrated discovery layer
23:48 rangi what she said
23:49 Space_Librarian they just couldn't comprehend it
23:49 chilts hmm, weird
23:49 Brooke teh ohnoes the product exceeds expectations
23:50 Brooke if one wanted to be nasty
23:50 chilts so that's _one_ technical aspect, they must have had more?
23:50 Space_Librarian it didn't fit what the considered to be normal
23:50 Brooke one might rally a MP to investigate this through your Accountability folks
23:50 Space_Librarian not really
23:50 Space_Librarian they won't tell us
23:50 Brooke in any case
23:50 Space_Librarian we asked
23:51 Brooke they've set themselves up for a long term loss
23:51 Space_Librarian and they said they'll review the answers
23:51 Brooke since I predict individual Libraries not signing
23:57 * druthb ducks into a VPN to go raid data...back in a bit.
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