IRC log for #koha, 2011-06-23

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00:02 druthb okay, the apt-get install on that new page will let you get thru make test just fine.  :)  more monkeying with that page later.
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00:16 library_guy is anybody around that could help me get more familiar with the Koha code base
00:16 library_guy so I can do more than just tt changes
00:19 atz__ library_guy: better to just go ahead and mess around
00:19 eythian library_guy: you're probably best of asking specific questions.
00:19 atz__ come back w/ specific questions.... like eythian says
00:19 eythian There's not really a course in the Koha codebase.
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00:19 library_guy well I was trying to add the location of an item to the results page
00:20 library_guy so I know that i need to modify
00:20 library_guy and somehow move that to the tt page
00:20 library_guy but im used to coding in an MVC
00:20 library_guy so im confused lol
00:21 atz__ you're starting with one of the more complicated parts... actually, it's new enough i don't even know anymore.
00:21 library_guy atz__: where do you recommend starting?
00:21 eythian perhaps pick a similar thing and see how that moves through the system to the template
00:22 library_guy well I was looking for item type to check that eythian but it looks like the names are allowed to change from the pl to the tt file
00:22 atz__ library_guy: i'm not saying to start elsewhere.  it's ok to stick w/ what you are interested in.
00:23 library_guy lol well it was just a looked like it would be simple enough...but upon further inspection I was wrong :-/
00:24 library_guy so if i see a forloop in the tt file with the variable name availalable_items_loop
00:25 library_guy what should I look for in the pl file?
00:25 eythian library_guy: yeah, the names can change. But how they do will be defined in the .pl file. Usually near the bottom where it sets up the variables that get passed through
00:25 library_guy ahh
00:25 eythian start by searching for that string in the .pl
00:25 * atz__ nod
00:25 eythian "_loop" isn't magical or anything, it's just what people call arrays that are passed through to be looped over.
00:26 library_guy yeah looks like it is accessed by a reference to SEARCH_RESULT
00:27 library_guy eythian++
00:28 library_guy atz__++
00:32 * library_guy wonders what he has gotten himself into
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02:06 mtj hi folks, does anyone understand how item availability is calculated from searches, in 3.4?
02:07 mtj the items stuff looks removed from bi.marcxml, thats pretty good
02:09 mtj i remember in 3.2, availability was got from zebra
02:10 mtj so , i assume in 3.4 - availability stuff is now fetched from the 'items' table in mysql?
02:10 mtj can anyone confirm that, off their head?
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02:15 Brooke kia ora
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02:45 library_guy does anybody know what the implications would be of adding the shelving location of an item to the opac-results page if the book doesn't have a shelving location
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02:56 library_guy nevermind that is a dumb question
03:00 eythian mtj: marc is created for zebra on export
03:00 eythian so it's the same as it was
03:01 mtj aah, click...
03:01 mtj and... hiya eythian ! :)
03:01 eythian hello :)
03:02 mtj so, item level xml *is* still being sent to zebra, in 3.4?
03:03 mtj but its now being built on-the-fly, in a
03:03 mtj rather than already existing in bi.marcxml ?
03:04 mtj hmmm, my theory doesnt sound correct, to me
03:06 mtj i previously thought the bi level $952 stuff was removed from bi.marcxml, and put in a new items.marcxml column, for 3.4...
03:06 mtj ... but that wasnt the case
03:08 mtj fyi: i will have a look at the 3.4 code later, to confirm all this, but i thought id ask a quick Q on #koha first
03:12 eythian mtj: yeah, it's just generated as it's needed (which it isn't most of the time, except sending to zebra and doing exports)
03:13 mtj aah, i got it
03:17 library_guy so I was looking at, specifically at the Availability section.  I wanted to add the shelving location after the branchname.  I noticed that the item location was already selected but when i add the tt code to print it nothing happens.
03:18 library_guy so I did some more digging and noticed that the "for loan" text doesn't even exist in that file o_0
03:18 library_guy am I missing something?
03:18 eythian library_guy: what language setting are you using? (i.e. are you editing the template file that you're actually using?)
03:18 library_guy yes
03:19 library_guy when i did a grep for "Copies available for loan" it did show up in the translator
03:19 library_guy but I have no idea how that works :'(
03:19 eythian what language are you actually using in your sysprefs?
03:19 eythian oh
03:19 library_guy en
03:19 eythian that string is in the XSLT
03:19 library_guy ?
03:20 library_guy yes
03:20 library_guy i saw that
03:20 library_guy but I can't edit them
03:20 library_guy even as root 0_0
03:20 eythian well that's a different problem then
03:20 library_guy lol
03:20 library_guy so is that were I would have to make the change?
03:20 eythian what does ls -l opac-tmpl/prog/en/xslt/MARC21slim2OPACResults.xsl say?
03:20 library_guy in the xml file
03:20 eythian it depends on the nature of the change
03:20 eythian and if you're using xslt in your sysprefs
03:21 library_guy ls -l blib/OPAC_TMPL_DIR/prog/en/xs​lt/MARC21slim2OPACResults.xsl
03:21 library_guy -r--r--r-- 1 koha koha 63674 May 23 12:00 blib/OPAC_TMPL_DIR/prog/en/xs​lt/MARC21slim2OPACResults.xsl
03:21 library_guy ahh
03:21 library_guy so
03:21 eythian there yoiu go
03:21 library_guy there's one problem
03:21 library_guy *smh*
03:21 library_guy interesting
03:21 wahanui it has been said that interesting is good
03:22 library_guy wahanui is wrong
03:22 library_guy lol
03:22 eythian wahanui: literal interesting
03:22 wahanui eythian: interesting =is= good
03:22 eythian no wahanui, interesting =is= good|sometimes bad
03:22 eythian no wahanui, interesting is good|sometimes bad
03:22 wahanui okay, eythian.
03:23 eythian wahanui: interesting
03:23 wahanui interesting is sometimes bad
03:23 eythian wahanui: interesting
03:23 wahanui interesting is good
03:23 eythian fixed
03:23 library_guy poor wahanui
03:23 eythian wahanui is a repository of important and useful and accurate information
03:24 eythian wahanui: wahanui
03:24 wahanui i am probably a bot
03:24 eythian wahanui: wahanui
03:24 wahanui i am a bot
03:24 eythian wahanui: wahanui
03:24 wahanui i am a bot
03:24 eythian wahanui is also a repository of important and useful and accurate information
03:24 wahanui okay, eythian.
03:24 eythian wahanui: wahanui
03:24 wahanui somebody said i was a bot or a repository of important and useful and accurate information
03:24 eythian grr, I really need to fix that bug
03:24 library_guy eythian: are you the one who wrote wahanui
03:24 eythian no wahanui, wahanui is a bot|a repository of important and useful and accurate information
03:24 wahanui okay, eythian.
03:24 eythian library_guy: no, it's an infobot
03:24 eythian but I have access to change it
03:25 library_guy fair enough
03:26 library_guy so is using xslt recommended?
03:26 eythian anyone know where the 'contact notes' field for borrowers is supposed to show up?
03:26 eythian library_guy: jup
03:26 eythian it's not compulsory or anything, but generally a bit nicer.
03:27 library_guy fair enough...i just wasn't aware it existed :p
03:28 library_guy I would definitely take an error right about now just so I know what im doing wrong lol
03:29 eythian haha
03:29 eythian what's (not )?happening?
03:29 library_guy the (location)? isn't showing up
03:30 library_guy I may just not be referencing it correctly
03:30 eythian could be. I always tend to print it out to STDERR in the perl code so that I know it's getting a value, and I haven't made a dumb mistake somewhere.
03:31 library_guy lol
03:31 library_guy to stderr's output in the log or the site in Koha?
03:32 eythian to STDERR, which appears in the errors log
03:32 library_guy lol fair enough...just wanted to make sure that somebody didn't get clever and pipe it out for a dev install
03:34 library_guy eythian: are you familiar with
03:35 eythian Even if I were, I'd deny it
03:35 library_guy hahahaha
03:35 library_guy I don't blame you after looking at this
03:35 eythian yeah, it's a huge ugly mess
03:36 library_guy thats how i feel about all 75K lines of this right now
03:37 library_guy i guess that is to be expected in a new project
03:37 eythian heh
03:37 eythian yeah, also parts of it have grown organically
03:37 eythian I've tried to refactor a few things, but you end up feeling like you're pulling an endless string.
03:38 library_guy the last project I worked on was like that
03:38 library_guy I kept running across ASCII art in the code
03:38 library_guy that was frustrating
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03:38 library_guy acsii pokemon *quivers*
03:39 eythian <-- like this?
03:39 library_guy more like this
03:40 library_guy but you're is at least mildly classy lol
03:40 eythian ah
03:41 library_guy do you know if Koha is based on anything?
03:41 library_guy or did somebody just start writing it one day
03:42 eythian heh
03:42 eythian it was started about 11 years ago
03:42 eythian for a library around here.
03:42 library_guy in New Zealand?
03:42 eythian yeah
03:43 library_guy rumor has it that the design team thought it would be a simple db project
03:43 library_guy and it turned into a giant project
03:44 eythian well, it started off as a small one I think. It's just had 11 more years of people hacking on it since then
03:44 library_guy heh
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03:48 library_guy WOO I got an error
03:50 library_guy good talking to you eythian
03:50 library_guy im out for the night
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03:51 eythian cool :)
03:51 eythian just missed...
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04:04 * Oak waves
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04:08 kmkale Namaste #koha
04:09 Oak Namaste kmkale :)
04:09 Space_Librarian namaste kmkale
04:12 kmkale namaste Space_Librarian & Oak
04:12 kmkale Space_Librarian: tickets booked?
04:13 kmkale Oak: are you coming for Kohacon11?
04:13 Oak kmkale, may be :)
04:13 Space_Librarian kmkale: looks like I'll be doing LIANZA in Wellington instead. :(
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04:55 kmkale Space_Librarian: Thats too bad. Hope you will try to wriggle out of it and make it here
04:56 Space_Librarian if I can.
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05:04 eythian anyone know if Koha has the ability to prevent people from viewing the OPAC without a password?
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05:18 syed hi, all
05:18 Oak heya syed :)
05:19 Oak where are you from syed ? Karachi?
05:19 syed sudo -u koha misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra -z -b -a ... got an error.. command not found
05:19 syed yes
05:19 Oak cool
05:19 syed Oak: what abt u?
05:19 Oak islamabad
05:20 syed nice
05:20 Oak :)
05:20 pianohacker eythian: the quick hacky way to do that would be to change authnotrequired from 1 to 0 in all of the opac scripts
05:21 Oak get help about you problem, then we'll talk, okay
05:21 Oak your*
05:21 syed yeah sure Oak
05:21 pianohacker syed: Is this on Debian, using the official packages?
05:21 eythian pianohacker: ta. I just put it to the client and I'm hoping we can do something like that, that way I can get time to do it properly and upstream it.
05:22 syed pianohacker: its on Ubuntu 10.4 .... Koha INSTALL.Ubuntu (Original author: Joshua Ferraro  Modified for Ubuntu by: Chris Nighswonger (cnighswonger AT foundations DOT edu))
05:24 eythian syed: you're probably in the wrong directory
05:24 eythian you need to be whereever you've installed koha
05:25 Oak wise words mr. robin. wise words indeed.
05:25 Oak :p
05:26 eythian :�
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05:31 Oak brb in 15
05:32 syed sudo -u koha misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra -z -b -a ... got an error ... command not found ... plz guide
05:32 eythian <eythian> syed: you're probably in the wrong directory
05:32 eythian <eythian> you need to be whereever you've installed koha
05:32 Oak syed, what about what eythian said... did you checked
05:32 Oak oh wait, i should be in the kitchen
05:35 syed eythian: yes i already checked my installation directory my path is correct... but still getting same error
05:36 eythian syed: what does 'pwd' say?
05:37 syed when i run this command... i found error... not asking my password
05:38 eythian pwd has nothing to do with passwords
05:38 eythian what does it output when you run that
05:40 syed the output is.... sudo: misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra: command not found
05:41 eythian no
05:41 eythian what is the output of running 'pwd'
05:44 syed [sudo] password for syed:
05:44 eythian no
05:44 eythian there is no sudo
05:44 eythian if you type 'pwd' and press enter, what does it say?
05:44 Oak pwd = present working diretory
05:47 mtj misc/migration_tools/
05:47 mtj not
05:47 mtj misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra
05:48 eythian mtj: it's actually as both in the install doc. That should be fixed. But good point.
05:48 mtj eythian: 'OpacPublic' syspref, stops people viewing OPAC
05:48 eythian mtj: awesome, thanks!
05:49 mtj eythian: no probs, i owe you one ;)
05:50 syed now i found my path...  misc/migration_tools/ ........... its.. syed@syed-pc:~$ sudo -u koha /home/syed/Desktop/Koha/release/mis​c/migration_tools/ -z -b -a
05:51 syed but i found error again
05:51 eythian first, do: cd /home/syed/Desktop/Koha/release
05:51 syed Can't locate C4/ in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /home/syed/Desktop/Koha/release/mis​c/migration_tools/ line 6. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /home/syed/Desktop/
05:51 syed Koha/release/misc/migration_tools/ line 6. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /home/syed/Desktop/Koha/release/mis​c/migration_tools/ line 6.
05:52 eythian yes, that's because you're not in the correct directory
05:52 syed now I'm standing on.. syed@syed-pc:~/Desktop/Koha/release$
05:52 syed what's next?
05:52 wahanui next is bug 6247 - patch coming
05:52 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6247 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, CLOSED FIXED, Acq: oder from existing record broken
05:53 eythian now do that command
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05:53 Oak cait++
05:56 syed eythian:syed@syed-pc:~/Desktop/Koha/release$ sudo -u koha misc/migration_tools/ -z -b -a DBI connect('dbname=koha;host=localh​ost;port=3306','kohaadmin',...) failed: Access denied for user 'kohaadmin'@'localhost' (using password: YES) at C4/ line 692 Access denied for user 'kohaadmin'@'localhost' (using password: YES) at C4/
05:57 syed line 692.
05:58 eythian you've either set your database up wrong, or you've set your koha-conf.xml up wrong. One of them has the wrong password or permissions not right.
05:58 eythian > Access denied for user 'kohaadmin'@'localhost' (using password: YES)
05:58 eythian that's the key bit
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06:01 syed eythian:  i have opened ....   syed@syed-pc:~$ sudo gedit /home/syed/Desktop/Koha/release/etc/koha-conf.xml
06:02 eythian I think all the instructions are in the INSTALL.ubuntu file.
06:03 syed ok, let me re-evaluate my installation again
06:03 syed Thanks eythian
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06:24 alex_a bonjour #koha :)
06:27 Oak bonjour alex_a :)
06:29 alex_a Oak: how are you ?
06:29 Oak good alex_a . how are you?
06:30 alex_a Oak: good :)
06:30 Oak cool :)
06:31 alex_a despite the rain at Marseille ...
06:31 Oak ooh i love rain
06:31 Oak @wunder islamabad
06:31 huginn Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad Airport, Pakistan is 35.0�C (11:00 AM PKT on June 23, 2011). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 39%. Dew Point: 22.0�C. Pressure: 29.41 in 996 hPa.
06:31 alex_a truly ?
06:32 Oak yup
06:32 Oak and dark clouds
06:32 Oak and trees
06:32 alex_a héhé
06:32 Oak :)
06:32 eythian It's raining here, and I'm supposed to be biking home. I might take the bus instead.
06:32 alex_a @wunder Marseille
06:32 huginn alex_a: The current temperature in Marseille / Marignane, France is 20.0�C (8:00 AM CEST on June 23, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 17.0�C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Rising).
06:32 alex_a Light rain :-/
06:33 alex_a not light for me
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06:33 reiveune hello
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06:39 alex_a bonjour paul_p
06:40 paul_p hi alex_a & all
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07:01 francharb hello all
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07:02 glernil good day!
07:02 sophie_m hello #koha
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07:11 syed hi all... i had run..   sudo -u koha misc/migration_tools/ -z -b -a
07:12 Oak and what happened ? :)
07:12 syed Error.... DBI connect('dbname=koha;host=localh​ost;port=3306','kohaadmin',...) failed: Access denied for user 'kohaadmin'@'localhost' (using password: YES) at C4/ line 692  Access denied for user 'kohaadmin'@'localhost' (using password: YES) at C4/ line 692.
07:12 syed any sugg. plz
07:12 Oak you username/password for the Koha DB must match with what you put in koha-conf.xml
07:13 syed is there any config until that i should run again ...
07:13 syed or from where i can change my koha-conf.xml
07:13 syed ?
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07:15 Oak i have it in /etc/koha/
07:15 Oak i am on Slackware not Ubintu
07:15 syed yes i also have in same folder
07:15 Oak Ubuntu
07:16 Oak at the end of the file is the detail for DB
07:16 syed <config>  <db_scheme>mysql</db_scheme>  <database>koha</database>  <hostname>localhost</hostname>  <port>3306</port>  <user>kohaadmin</user>
07:16 bellows hi
07:18 bellows anybody can help me in creating barcode labels ?
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07:25 Oak syed, and a <pass> is also set...
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07:33 syed DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Table 'kohadb.marc_subfield_structure' doesn't exist at C4/ line 852.
07:34 syed yes password also set... it's run now... but now got this error
07:34 syed DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Table 'kohadb.marc_subfield_structure' doesn't exist at C4/ line 852.
07:34 syed i think.. table structure missing
07:35 syed what u sugg.?
07:35 syed DBD::mysql::st fetchrow failed: fetch() without execute() at C4/ line 853. DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Table 'kohadb.zebraqueue' doesn't exist at misc/migration_tools/ line 264.
07:36 eythian you haven't gone to the web installer to set up your koha
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07:40 syed eythian: No, i have'nt yet
07:41 cait hi #koha
07:41 eythian well then you'll have no tables set up, so rebuild_zebra has nothing to work with
07:41 Oak heya cait :)
07:41 syed how to configure web installer on ubuntu...
07:41 cait morning Oak
07:41 cait today cait is going to stay - german holiday :)
07:41 Oak guten morgen cait :)
07:41 Oak yay
07:42 syed eythian: i'm new on ubuntu...
07:42 Oak cookies for all then
07:42 cait lol
07:42 * cait takes a cookie
07:42 eythian read the instructions. But it's probably something like going to localhost:8080 in firefox
07:43 syed http://localhost:8080/ : no page found
07:43 alex_a hello cait
07:44 syed do u knew.. any command to rebuild_zebra?
07:44 eythian stop trying to rebuild zebra until you get data in there
07:44 eythian there's no point
07:44 syed so what u sugg. me... for the next step
07:46 eythian get into the web installer and set it up.
07:46 eythian The instructions are a bit too implicit about that, annoyingly
07:46 eythian but if you've done the apache configuration correctly, it'll be on localhost:8080
07:47 eythian if it's not, then you haven't done that correctly
07:47 syed yes i have done apache config correctly
07:47 syed but no web installer
07:48 syed i have no idea how to install web installer
07:48 eythian then you haven't done it correctly. If you're working on a remote machine, then it'll be the IP address of that machine rather than localhost.
07:48 eythian the web installer is installed by default
07:48 syed ok
07:48 * eythian goes back to fixing a bug that's causing him headaches.
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07:52 eythian public service announcment: cardnumber is _never_ a good way of uniquely tracking users on internal forms.
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08:03 cait eythian: where did you find it?
08:03 eythian cait: in the code that handles placing reserves
08:03 eythian it uses card number to identify the user that is placing the reserve.
08:03 eythian not, say, borrowernumber.
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08:11 cait eythian: ouch
08:13 eythian quite. Especially as one of our clients doesn't have card numbers for most of its borrowers.
08:13 cait hm you scan the cardnumber there but it should translate into a borrowernumber?
08:13 cait hm
08:13 cait so they search only by name?
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08:20 eythian cait: yeah
08:20 eythian it's for an organisation, not a public library or anything
08:21 eythian so they don't have library cards or anything like that.
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09:18 Amit_Gupta heya ll
09:18 Amit_Gupta heya all
09:21 Amit_Gupta how can we generate single patron card in koha not using batch
09:21 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6526] Hold requests require cardnumbers to be set <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6526>
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09:24 druthb o/
09:25 Amit_Gupta heay druthb
09:25 druthb Hi, Amit. :)
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09:45 mibSHY HI KOHA#
09:46 druthb hi, mibshy.  no need to yell.
09:47 mibSHY :)
09:48 mibSHY i have a doubt.
09:48 mibSHY Shall I customize the search list format of books in staff client?
09:49 * druthb is not sure she understands the question?
09:49 Judit druthb is not alone :)
09:50 mibSHY When I am searching for some books the list comes like as below.
09:50 mibSHY 1.  Leadership in Healthcare
09:50 mibSHY Barr, Jill and Dowding, Lesley Description: London : xiv, 253 p. ISBN: 141292068X Books Books Books
09:51 Judit what do you want to have instead?
09:51 mibSHY I dont want to display ISBN, item type and the title 'Description:' before the publisher in the search list.
09:52 mibSHY Also the book type is coming more than once - Books Books Books. how can I customize th eformat of this list?
09:53 druthb That should be a relatively simple modification of the template.  Not sure why Books is showing up multiple times, tho.
09:53 eythian mibSHY: have you turned on XSLT for search results?
09:53 * eythian goes home. It's well past time for being at work still.
09:54 mibSHY XSLTResultsDisplay is set as normally
09:55 druthb Then the template controls the display, and tweaking should let you get what you want.
09:55 eythian "set normally" doesn't say what it is though
09:57 mibSHY druthb: for editing template which file I have to edit. I am not much familiar with koha files
09:57 druthb Normally = template; XSLT= XSL
09:57 druthb (unless someone's gone n monkeyed with that.)
09:58 druthb mibshy, getting familiar with what's where in the Koha files is Job 1.    Without that, you're without a compass, and can hose things up pretty dramatically pretty fast.
10:00 mibSHY ok.
10:00 druthb all the opac templates live in subdirectories of koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl.
10:01 * druthb heads out for some breakfast.
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10:29 Brooke kia ora
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10:45 mibSHY thanks  druthb.
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10:46 Brooke hooray Travisa was just yelled at over Passport Processing.
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11:41 miguel hello koha
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11:46 miguel the preference "AllowOnShelfHolds", i think that it don't funtion that explains
11:46 cait hm
11:47 cait we use both settings, but in 3.2.2
11:47 cait there it works
11:47 miguel so I can see, hide the Place Hold button in opac
11:47 cait or at least the libraries have not told me about any problems
11:47 cait it should only hide it if there are still available items
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12:12 miguel both the 3.2 and in the 3.4, the preference is passed to the template of pl without checking the status of items
12:13 miguel preference hides the Place Hold button
12:13 miguel Am I right?
12:16 cait only in some cases it should hide it
12:16 cait not always
12:16 cait and sometimes it might not hide it but still refuse you to place a hold with a message
12:16 cait it's been al ong time since I tested that for our libraries
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12:17 cait what do you intend to do?
12:17 cait if you want to hide the button always and forever I think this is opacreserves or something
12:17 cait similar named
12:17 cait hi oleonard
12:17 oleonard Hi #koha
12:18 cait allowonshelfholds is about allowing holds on items not checked out. when off a hold should only be allowed if all items of a record are checked out
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12:50 oleonard Hi tcohen and druthb
12:51 druthb hi, oleonard! :)
12:51 cait hi druthb :)
12:51 tcohen hi oleonard
12:51 druthb :)  hi cait
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14:17 rangi @wunder santa barbara, ca
14:17 huginn rangi: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 13.9�C (7:17 AM PDT on June 23, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 99%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.87 in 1011.4 hPa (Rising).
14:18 druthb good morning, rangi!
14:19 talljoy that sounds a bit chilly this morning.
14:19 talljoy @wunder 76109
14:19 huginn talljoy: The current temperature in Team Ranch, Benbrook, Texas is 25.5�C (9:19 AM CDT on June 23, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 20.0�C. Pressure: 29.93 in 1013.4 hPa (Steady). Air pollution watch level Orange in effect for today...
14:19 druthb @wunder 20852
14:19 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Potomac Woods, Rockville, Maryland is 26.4�C (10:19 AM EDT on June 23, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 21.0�C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009.0 hPa (Steady).
14:19 oleonard Welcome to our shores rangi
14:19 rangi thank you
14:19 Agent_Dani @wunder 27705
14:19 huginn Agent_Dani: The current temperature in Huckleberry Heights, Durham, North Carolina is 27.1�C (10:19 AM EDT on June 23, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 20.0�C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013.1 hPa (Steady).
14:20 rangi 14 is perfect
14:20 talljoy how about where we are going....
14:20 talljoy @wunder 70112
14:20 huginn talljoy: The current temperature in Mid City Station, New Orleans, Louisiana is 27.2�C (9:20 AM CDT on June 23, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 24.0�C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1015.8 hPa (Steady).
14:20 wizzyrea @wunder lawrence, ks
14:20 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 22.4�C (9:20 AM CDT on June 23, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 29.85 in 1010.7 hPa (Steady).
14:20 wizzyrea yesterday was the most perfect day you can get in kansas
14:20 Agent_Dani Ought to be decent weather for me to walk to campus and pick up my Roku.
14:25 * cait waves
14:25 cait t
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14:44 miguel cait: i was eating
14:46 miguel I know what I should do the preference but I tested this code
14:46 miguel and not checking the status of items
14:50 miguel maybe I'm wrong shy
14:56 cait I have not tested it for a longer time
14:56 cait not sure, there might be a tt issue
14:56 cait all I can say is that I see it working in 3.2.2
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15:01 reiveune bye
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15:05 miguel i have 3.2
15:06 miguel and the code is the same
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15:07 cait miguel: not sure then
15:07 miguel and allowonshelfholds circulation rules works fine but not the  system pref
15:07 Oak heya druthb :)
15:08 Oak guten tag cait :)
15:08 Oak hello #koha
15:08 rhcl hi oak
15:08 Oak :)
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15:12 cait miguel: circulation rules?
15:12 cait are you on a branch?
15:13 cait I think this biblibre development is not in an official version yet
15:13 cait salaam Oak :)
15:13 cait (was this right?)
15:13 miguel yes, cait
15:13 Oak ah :) danke cait
15:13 Oak perfect!
15:14 cait miguel: so perhaps it's a bug then
15:14 cait if the circulation rules are in place they perhaps are supposed to replace the sys pref
15:14 druthb Salaam, Oak.  :)
15:14 miguel in the 3.4 official it is not correct
15:14 cait I have not testd this development yet
15:14 Oak :) peace be upon you too druthb
15:14 miguel i test 3.2 official now
15:15 cait ok
15:15 cait ah,my scrolling is broken again :(
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15:21 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6527] Table striping not working on cataloguing search <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6527>
15:23 wizzyrea there is actually quite a lot wrong with the cataloging search
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15:23 wizzyrea things not showing up like they should, data that looks like it ought to be displayed but isn't
15:23 * wizzyrea will file a raft of bugs on it.
15:23 * wizzyrea sighs
15:24 cait wizzyrea+
15:24 cait wizzyrea++
15:24 cait filing bugs is the first step
15:24 * oleonard will cling to the raft of bugs when his boat sinks
15:24 cait :)
15:24 wizzyrea at least you'll have something to sit on :P
15:24 * cait hopes oleonard will not sink
15:24 * wizzyrea too
15:25 * cait shares a package of cookies with #koha
15:25 oleonard wizzyrea: Just room enough for me though, Leonardo DiCaprio is on his own.
15:25 cait I forgot to go shopping yesterday and today is holiday
15:25 wizzyrea tom hanks too
15:25 wizzyrea (they can drown together, that is)
15:25 cait patch 21/21?
15:25 cait :)
15:26 wizzyrea gfdi I hate this new version of git it makes me irritated
15:26 oleonard ?
15:26 wizzyrea it didn't used to put that on
15:26 rangi -N
15:26 rangi thats all you need
15:26 wizzyrea phew, thx
15:27 cait hi rangi
15:27 * wizzyrea is sorry to be sweary
15:27 cait how is New orleans?
15:27 rangi im in california still so dont know :)
15:27 cait oh
15:28 cait ok, how is california? :)
15:28 oleonard wizzyrea: I think "gfdi" is less sweary than the "f<bleep>k" we hear on TV
15:28 wizzyrea well it's got a greater number of implied swear words :)
15:28 wizzyrea but you're probably right on that point
15:29 wizzyrea and a blaspheme to boot :P
15:31 oleonard rangi: Are you still airport-hopping or do you have a break in Cali?
15:31 miguel cait: the lines code is the same in a 3.2 official, but I will not be upset if you say it works ...
15:31 cait miguel: I am quite sure I tested it in 3.1.61 because that was our first production system and the library is now on 3.2.2 - so it should work
15:32 cait - or they didn#t realize yet it doesn't
15:32 cait but I would be a little surprised, they have stacks where people order things
15:32 rangi oleonard: hanging with brendan today, we fly out this afternoon
15:33 alex_a bye
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15:33 oleonard cool, glad you have a break after that nightmare series of flights
15:33 rangi yeah that wasnt much fun
15:34 cait happy you arrived savely
15:34 cait I think 36 hours is even longer than it took me to nz - without the stay in london
15:35 rangi only flying for 18 of those hours too
15:35 rangi the rest was waiting
15:35 wizzyrea ugh
15:35 rangi ash is getting worse apparently, so might be fun going back
15:36 wizzyrea :(
15:36 wizzyrea got a good stretch before you have to leave though right?
15:37 rangi 29th
15:37 wizzyrea maybe it'll be better by then
15:37 rangi hope so :)
15:40 rangi ok time to be social
15:40 rangi bbl
15:40 rangi peace out (im adapting to the environment)
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15:41 oleonard :P
15:41 wizzyrea does anybody know what the actual difference is between the cataloging search and the regular search in the staff client (besides the reservoir thing)
15:41 briceSanc Hello all, I've a great news for this community
15:41 wizzyrea ooo, I like good news
15:41 oleonard wizzyrea: I thought the cataloging search didn't use Zebra
15:42 wizzyrea that seems likely, as uses C4::Search and uses C4::Search:PazPar2
15:43 wizzyrea with an extra colon, of course
15:43 wizzyrea so my question is - what's the benefit? Am I being dense?
15:43 wizzyrea inform me
15:44 oleonard wizzyrea I could be wrong but I think it's just a matter of no one having touched it since we switched to using Zebra
15:44 briceSanc We are currently working on the checkout by hour for Koha 3.4 and the customer want to release it for the community after the end of development
15:44 briceSanc i hope nobody work on that functionnality =D
15:44 wizzyrea one of my coworkers claims it's a "more exact search"
15:45 oleonard wizzyrea: I think that's true, and less forgiving
15:45 wizzyrea something catalogers probably like
15:46 wizzyrea hum
15:47 cait briceSanc: I thought bywater was working on hourly loans
15:47 cait not sure though
15:47 druthb that is correct.
15:48 cait briceSanc: there is a spec on the wiki, have you seen that?
15:51 briceSanc cait, the last year, i develop this functionnality for Koha 3.2 but the customers didn't want to release it. I didn't know that bywaters working on that
15:51 briceSanc now
15:56 cait ah
15:57 cait the spec was very detailed
15:57 cait perhaps you want to compare
15:57 cait bug 5549
15:57 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5549 enhancement, P5, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED , Hourly Loans
15:57 cait[…]/Hourly_Loans_RFC
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17:08 rangi back from a nice walk on the beach
17:10 druthb :)
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17:18 cait :)
17:23 Agent_Dani rangi: Sweet! I'm missing the beach right now.
17:29 * talljoy wishes there was a beach in N.O. instead of swamps.
17:37 Agent_Dani No beach near me, unless you count the man-made ones on Jordan and Falls Lakes (I don't.) No swamps, either, at least.
17:38 cait no real beaches with sand here
17:38 cait but lot's of nice lawns at the lake
17:38 Agent_Dani But, a couple hundred miles either way and I can have beach or mountains. :D Looking forward to the latter next week.
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18:03 rhcl I live by the Missouri River, which is flooding and breaking through levee's everywhere, so I have a heck of a beach right now.
18:09 * tcohen is friendly jealous of rangi right now
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18:34 hdl hi miguel
18:34 hdl hi all
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18:59 clrh bye
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19:27 Brooke thisblows
19:27 wizzyrea ?
19:27 Brooke alt tab!
19:31 Brooke wahanui: Indian visa?
19:31 wahanui brooke: i don't know
19:32 Brooke wahanui: Indian visa is multi entry Tourist Visa *wink wink* *nudge nudge*
19:32 wahanui OK, Brooke.
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21:08 library_systems_guy I can run the overdues script as often as I want in the cron correct?
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21:16 rhcl lsg: I believe so, yes. You are generating notices I assume?
21:16 rhcl The notices hit triggers, 1st, 2nd, which are set by the number of days.
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21:29 library_systems_guy rhcl is it possible to send out more than 3 notices?
21:30 library_systems_guy for our ILL's we'd like to send them out everyday since they cost so much in fines
21:32 rhcl No, I think you can only send out 3 overdue notices. I don't know if this is customizable, but our 3rd overdue notice is considered a bill, which lists prices for the books unlike the 1st and 2nd overdue notices.
21:34 rhcl Presumably you want to send email notices? Not paper?
21:36 rhcl We have email notices turned off, but if you turn that on the people with email addresses on file would get email notices, and those w/o email addresses would get paper notices.
21:39 library_systems_guy yes we only send out email notices (since we only deal with students we have that luxury)
21:39 library_systems_guy but only sending out 3 notices is going to make the ILL librarian freak
21:40 library_systems_guy do you you think sending out notices based on types is something other libraries would be interested in?
21:42 rhcl ic. Well, like I said, afaik you can only send three; you can set the timing on those. You might consider some staggered spacing, like 2 days, then 4 days, then 7 days. Something like a Fibonacci series.
21:43 rhcl Yes, personally I can see merit in having a variable number of notices. I also think it should be possible to select both email and paper notices for those overdue patrons w/ email.
21:44 rhcl We also need a bill notice, which gives a total price for books. Currently the 3rd overdue we use lists the price for books, but not a total.
21:44 library_systems_guy hmm well I have a credit I need to earn for class so maybe I can call that my class project and just write it in
21:45 rhcl well, that should be worth two credits!
21:45 library_systems_guy lol yeah thats what I'm thinking
21:45 library_systems_guy it looks like a lot of work
21:45 rhcl Make sure somebody isn't already working on it, however. I know it's been talked about.
21:45 library_systems_guy oh really
21:46 library_systems_guy ok ill look at the wiki
21:46 rhcl yea, but I don't think anybody is actually coding it yet.
21:46 library_systems_guy lol well maybe they have a plan to go at it
21:46 library_systems_guy im still new
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21:49 library_systems_guy not to be a bother rhcl but I'm working on adding the item location to the results page and I can't seem to get the variable name correct in the sxlt stylesheet
21:49 library_systems_guy do you have any experience with it?
21:49 rhcl results page?
21:49 rhcl item search?
21:50 library_systems_guy opac-search
21:52 rhcl hummm, not sure I can help much with that one, but there are three "locations", branch, current and shelving
21:52 library_systems_guy right, i see the homebranch gets printed
21:53 library_systems_guy but the way the variable gets passed eludes me :-/
21:53 library_systems_guy i guess it just gets shoved in a hash
21:54 rhcl there ought to be a database tool analogous to wireshark, where you can live tap into the database queries and see them.
21:54 library_systems_guy hmm thats not a bad idea
21:54 rhcl logically I wouldn't think it would be a hash - surely it's just a variable
21:55 wizzyrea what marc field is it that you're trying to show
21:55 library_systems_guy im not really sure, like i said im new...I know it exists because I can print it in normal mode for opac
21:55 library_systems_guy using tt
21:56 wizzyrea what's the tag for it in normal
21:56 library_systems_guy location
21:57 library_systems_guy but it looks like it is in a nested separate loop
21:57 wizzyrea something like [% available_items_loo.location %]
21:57 library_systems_guy yeah thats it
21:58 wizzyrea single or multi branch
21:59 wizzyrea oh bother
21:59 library_systems_guy multibranch
21:59 wizzyrea I have to go in like 2 minutes :(
21:59 library_systems_guy oh no :'(
21:59 wizzyrea so you have a location and a branch you want to show
21:59 library_systems_guy correct, so I'd like to show the shelving location
21:59 library_systems_guy and the branch
21:59 wahanui the branch is gone
21:59 wizzyrea forget the branch
21:59 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot branch
22:00 library_systems_guy Ex: Copies available for loan: Robert R. Muntz Library Stacks 3rd Floor [HX15 .S67 ser. B, no. 55] (1).
22:00 wizzyrea gah, I can poke at this more tomorrow if you like
22:00 wizzyrea kiddo is expecting me :(
22:00 library_systems_guy sure, I'd really appreciate it
22:00 wizzyrea byee
22:01 library_systems_guy aww ok
22:01 library_systems_guy thanks wizzyrea
22:01 wizzyrea sure
22:01 library_systems_guy wizzyrea++ rhcl++
22:01 rhcl gl
22:02 library_systems_guy thanks rhcl
22:02 rhcl np
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22:56 rhcl wahanui: time?
22:56 wahanui somebody said time was a scary thing
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