IRC log for #koha, 2011-06-15

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00:10 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5714 follow up removing the debugging message <[…]befc21fa36caa340f>
00:12 jenkins_koha Starting build 299 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
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00:55 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #299: SUCCESS in 43 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/299/
00:55 jenkins_koha Chris Cormack: Bug 5714 follow up removing the debugging message
00:55 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5714 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Unescaped ampersands in OPAC facets
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01:29 druthb o/
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01:38 rangi hi druthb and hdl
01:39 hdl hi rangi
01:43 druthb hi, rangi! :D
01:43 rangi[…]raries-adopt-koha
01:43 rangi pretty cool
01:44 rangi[…]-June/001431.html
01:44 * rangi shows off
01:45 druthb congrats, rangi! :)
01:46 rangi we only got 2/10 in the networking round :)
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02:06 rangi hey bgallagher
02:06 bgallagher hey
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02:09 hdl hi bgallagher
02:29 bgallagher hi
02:29 wahanui privet, bgallagher
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04:19 rangi @quote random
04:19 huginn rangi: Quote #45: "<CGI988> sekjal - you are a genious!!!!! asking me about the browser!!!! yes it's the #$%$#%$#ing IE was messing my cataloguing, oh I hate miscrosoft, the evil!" (added by gmcharlt at 07:00 PM, November 05, 2009)
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05:57 cait hi #koha
05:58 Oak your laptop problem... fixed?
05:58 cait yep :)
05:59 Oak did it yourself?
05:59 cait yep :)
05:59 Oak without fresh install?
05:59 cait when I was about to give up I found another manual and that worked
05:59 * Oak hugs cait
05:59 cait it seems the other things I found before missed a chroot /dev
05:59 cait :)
06:00 cait so I am ready to claim a bug now
06:00 Oak that's how we do it!!! we don't re-install. we fix.
06:00 Oak good
06:00 Oak cait++
06:00 cait hehe thx
06:01 cait I knew it was possible to fix it- because it has been done 2 times before. the question was only how
06:01 Oak sorry about the 'you can cry now' comment by me :|
06:01 cait that's ok :)
06:01 Oak okay
06:01 cait it made me laugh
06:01 Oak oh good
06:01 Oak that helps
06:01 cait so, want to claim a bug too?
06:02 cait we still have a lot to choose from
06:02 Oak me?
06:02 wahanui you are Arslan. I am a student doing masters in Library Science (2nd semester). I am a web developer and work in Joomla.
06:02 Oak whoa how does he know that
06:02 * Oak goes to check xchat settings
06:02 cait wahanui does know a lot of things
06:02 wahanui cait: what?
06:02 cait cait?
06:02 wahanui you are kf or a programmer or really sweet or a source of great chocolate or the purveyor of an infinite supply of virtual cookies
06:05 cait Oak: he learns from what people tell him
06:05 Oak hmm... i see. weird.
06:05 cait @wunder Reutlingen
06:05 huginn cait: The current temperature in Reutlingen, Germany is 16.6�C (8:10 AM CEST on June 15, 2011). Conditions: Fog. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 28.82 in 975.8 hPa (Steady).
06:06 cait I think you have told him :)
06:06 Oak i guess :) or told someone and he was listening
06:07 magnus_away is now known as magnuse
06:08 cait god morgen magnuse! :)
06:08 magnuse guten morgen cait
06:08 magnuse ...and #koha
06:09 Oak :]
06:09 magnuse hiya Oak
06:09 Oak Heya magnuse :)
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06:13 alex_a bonjour
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06:13 magnuse bonjour alex_a
06:14 cait hi alex_a  :)
06:14 cait can someone change the motd?
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06:14 cait to have the new date for the next meeting and a hint about sign-off-day?
06:14 cait[…]06-15#Claim_a_bug.21
06:14 Oak Bonjour alex_a
06:14 magnuse slef or rangi, perhaps?
06:17 cait summoning didn't work :)
06:17 magnuse nope
06:21 oakivil morning #koha
06:22 Oak hello oakivil
06:22 alex_a hi magnuse cait Oak and all :)
06:22 Oak :)
06:22 magnuse moi oakivil
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06:29 reiveune hello
06:29 Oak[…]011_lunar_eclipse
06:29 Oak hello reiveune
06:29 cait hi reiveune
06:29 reiveune hi cait, Oak
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06:38 * magnuse will not be able to see the lunar eclipse, because it will be below the horizon... :-(
06:44 cait patches waiting for sign off: 68 - magnuse++
06:45 magnuse another one bites the dust...
06:46 oakivil so you guys/gals are all working for some company that pays for your development effort?
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06:48 christophe_c hello all
06:49 cait hi christophe_c
06:49 cait oakivil: I think most of us do
06:50 magnuse i guess the customers are doing the paying...
06:50 magnuse ;-)
06:50 oakivil the December lunar eclipse hits my birthday!
06:51 oakivil they always do
06:51 oakivil and they are so pissed about that
06:53 cait hm, I think they are ok paying as long as they get something for it
06:55 cait hm what was the trick to reload javascript?
06:55 cait f5 + ?
06:55 matts_away is now known as matts
06:55 magnuse part of free software is giving something back - to me paying a company so someone can do stuff like sign off patches on your behalf looks like one way to give back
06:56 eythian cait: ctrl-f5
06:56 magnuse cait: ctrl+shift+r
06:56 magnuse or shift+reload
06:57 cait ok thx :)
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06:59 magnuse eythian, just fyi i'm testing bug 6199 now
06:59 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6199 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, ASSIGNED , Allow bulkmarcimport to blank duplicate barcodes rather than skipping items
06:59 julian hello #koha
06:59 eythian sweet
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07:00 cait ... the one I failed on
07:00 cait not sure what to hope - that it works for magnuse or that he sees the same things I did :)
07:00 Oak no failed... just one more way how *not* to fix it
07:01 cait Oak: you remind me of yoda today
07:01 eythian cait: I'm hoping that it works for him ;)
07:01 Oak umm, good? :)
07:01 cait yeah
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07:02 Oak :)
07:03 eythian damnit, I spend so much time using vim, I can't use a regular editor without filling it with jjjjkkk type things.
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07:04 Oak hehe
07:04 eythian Irma: I'm going to spend another hour or so sketching out more workshop plans.
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07:28 magnuse yay
07:30 cait hm, can't reproduce bug 6479
07:30 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6479 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, fcapovilla, NEW , Encoding problem in "recievedlist" when the numbering formula contains utf-8 characters
07:31 cait ah, checked wrong screen, now I see it
07:31 Oak :)
07:34 rangi 66
07:34 magnuse yay
07:38 Oak *++
07:40 cait incorrect
07:40 cait 65
07:41 cait :)
07:41 Oak :]
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07:49 magnuse eythian, cait: i think i see a minor problem with the patch for bug 6199: the pod says the option is -dedupbarcodes but GetOptions is looking for dedupbarcode without the s: 'dedupbarcode' => \$dedup_barcode,
07:49 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6199 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, ASSIGNED , Allow bulkmarcimport to blank duplicate barcodes rather than skipping items
07:50 cait aha!
07:50 eythian cait: however, the command line you pasted into the bug was correct
07:51 cait hm looking at my pastes on the patch it seems i tested without s :(
07:51 cait yeah
07:51 magnuse i'll test without the s now...
07:51 eythian <-- the front page is all about Microsoft Azure, and Koha. I'm not quite sure how I feel about that :)
07:53 cait mr. robin sheat
07:53 cait :)
07:54 magnuse eythian: looks like a strange combo...
07:54 eythian yeah. That happens a lot in Asian/Pacific places. In the Solomon Islands I was referred to formally as "Mr. Robin"
07:54 rangi magnuse: its kinda the difference between open source and free software
07:55 eythian magnuse: it is. I guess it's microsoft's "we're all happy and friendly with open source (ignore the fact we're suing people for using it too)" kick.
07:55 rangi you wont see microsoft at free software conferences, but yeah they are happy to try to subvert the open source ones
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07:57 eythian alright, another couple of hours of workshop planned out. Time to go home.
07:57 cait have a nice evening mr robin
07:57 eythian :P
07:57 eythian :)
07:57 Oak take care mr. robin
07:57 eythian bye
08:01 eythian you're all bad people! ;)
08:01 Oak hehe, you are a jolly good fellow mr. robin
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08:03 cait now he hurt my feelings...
08:03 cait :P
08:03 cait germs?
08:03 Oak who? mr. robin?
08:03 cait only checking
08:03 cait yeah, mr robins comment was not nice
08:04 Oak hmm
08:06 cait ;)
08:06 cait it's ok, back to signing off patches!
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08:19 Brooke kia ora
08:19 Oak heya Brooke :)
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08:25 cait hi Brooke
08:25 Brooke tag
08:34 magnuse 63
08:34 magnuse kia ora Brooke
08:34 rangi 3 more to get it to change to orange
08:34 Brooke kiiiiia orrrraaaa
08:34 Brooke nice rangi
08:36 * rangi marks one works for me
08:37 * Brooke thinks rangi needs a virtual coup device.
08:37 cait :)
08:37 cait coup device?
08:37 cait almost done with my bug
08:38 magnuse cait: sadly i got the same results as you for bug 6199...
08:38 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6199 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, ASSIGNED , Allow bulkmarcimport to blank duplicate barcodes rather than skipping items
08:39 rangi have to fail qa it, if 2 people get the same thats good enough for a fail qa
08:40 rangi 61
08:40 cait magnuse: now I feel less crazy, but robinwill not be happy
08:41 Oak mr robin
08:41 cait right g
08:41 cait Oak: what about you? want to sign-off on something? :)
08:42 Oak I don't know how to :-|
08:42 magnuse Oak:[…]gn_off_on_patches
08:43 cait magnuse++
08:43 cait graet test report
08:43 cait we can help you :)
08:43 magnuse thanks cait :-)
08:43 Brooke arright good people "You test it." ain't good enough. :P
08:44 * Oak reading[…]gn_off_on_patches
08:54 cait Oak: need help?
08:55 Oak don't want to interrupt your work. my system has a relatively new Slackware 13.37 install. First I need to install Koha... then I can do anything :-|
08:56 cait ohok
08:56 cait yes, a koha for testing things is a requirement :)
08:57 oakivil there are lots of different companies here developing koha
08:57 oakivil how much of the work the companies do are actuially shared as open source?
08:57 rangi all of it
08:57 oakivil there must be interest to have parts as open source
08:57 oakivil or certain modules as such
08:58 rangi luckily the license doesnt allow that
08:58 oakivil i mean closed source
08:58 oakivil not even for separate modules?
08:58 rangi no
08:58 oakivil ok
08:58 oakivil is k007
08:58 Brooke closed source, unlike good intentions, is actually a good chunk of pavers on the road to hell.
08:58 oakivil ill write that up :D
08:58 Oak cait, well, I definitely want to learn this... may be not today, but I will prepare myself for next sign-off day, as in an hour I have to leave for my class, after that I need to prepare a presentation and email to my teacher...
08:58 cait oakivil: we share all we do too - but we do only small things so far
08:58 oakivil ok
08:59 oakivil hmm
08:59 rangi friends dont let friends use proprietary software
08:59 magnuse yay
08:59 oakivil yay!
08:59 rangi its unethical, wrong and evil
08:59 cait Oak: that's ok :) you know where to find us if you have questions
08:59 oakivil the way i have observed is that i should recommend libraries using koha to have a separate section of personell to maintain koha installations
09:00 * rangi is less an open source proponent and more a free software proponent
09:00 oakivil the migration from version to version
09:00 Oak yes, and I'll definitely ask for help cait
09:00 magnuse part of what's good about koha is you can swith vendors without switching ILS. that only works as long as the whole system is free software
09:00 magnuse closed source modules = vendor lock in
09:00 oakivil magnus are you the one-man ils company we have been talking about here in Finland?
09:00 Brooke oakivil: that's ideal. Some do not have that luxury, so bear that in mind.
09:01 oakivil yeah we need a sufficient library base to fund several people
09:01 rangi oakivil: or they could just pay a support company, instead of paying license fees :)
09:01 oakivil we cant let the maintenance of our ils on one person
09:01 magnuse oakivil, probably, i'm magnus enger of libriotech ;-)
09:01 * Brooke points out that one could do worse than have Magnus as their "one man".
09:01 oakivil yes that is one option
09:01 oakivil i know that  magnus
09:01 oakivil :D
09:01 rangi theres nothing different in paying for support for free software or proprietary
09:01 rangi well there is
09:01 oakivil well its good to make aquintances
09:02 rangi with free software you actually do get support
09:02 oakivil yesh, no vendor lock in
09:02 rangi proprietary you pay
09:02 oakivil that is the problem here in finland too
09:02 rangi and get nothing
09:02 rangi and get told to wait for the next version
09:02 oakivil support has been canceled for our current systems
09:02 rangi which still doesnt fix your bug
09:02 Brooke doh
09:02 Brooke orphaned products ftl
09:03 rangi[…]_isnt_better.html  <-- a very good read
09:04 magnuse oakivil, which system?
09:04 oakivil PallasPro
09:04 rangi the other thing with koha, you dont need to be on site to support it
09:05 oakivil I have been tinkering with their databases to try to map the relevant data for migration to okha and evergreen
09:05 * rangi has supported installs in europe from nz
09:06 * Brooke shivers.
09:06 Brooke time difference blech!
09:06 rangi actually works well
09:06 Brooke though I suppose if you keep it humming
09:06 Brooke not so bad
09:06 cait one failed qa
09:06 rangi report an issue, go to to sleep, and its fixed when you wake up
09:06 Brooke wot's that second bit?
09:07 rangi course, koha doesnt actually break much anyway :)
09:07 Brooke my server went out twice
09:07 cait no, koha is very stable
09:07 rangi still the one outage at HLT, in 11 years
09:07 Brooke once when the roomate yanked the plug to charge his mobile
09:07 Brooke and once when the power supply failed
09:07 Brooke neither were a Koha issue ;)
09:07 rangi and that was when the aircon guy dropped it on the floor
09:07 cait oh I remember that
09:07 rangi ive yet to see software that can stop that
09:08 Brooke clearly he didn't read the "Don't Mess WIth A Timelord" warning.
09:09 oakivil whats the deal with evergreen?
09:09 oakivil apart from the fact that I cannot run it in our intranet
09:09 rangi you are better off asking that in #evergreen, but its free software too
09:09 oakivil you guys must have a opinion
09:09 oakivil :D
09:10 rangi not a qualified one
09:10 Brooke my opinion is that evergreen or koha = much much better than most other crap
09:10 magnuse +1
09:10 rangi only someone who has installed/developed/used it could give you a decent opinion on evergreen
09:10 rangi but yeah, its free software so its already better than proprietary, not matter if it punches you in the face :-)
09:10 cait I always wanted to play with it... but koha keeps me busy enough :)
09:10 magnuse yay, it's orange![…]bin/
09:10 Brooke the Koha lads have been chippin' away at me "X proprietary system does a better job at Y" list.
09:11 rangi yay!
09:11 * Brooke cheers.
09:11 cait another 10 to my personal goal for today
09:11 cait I want to see a five or four there
09:11 rangi[…]66/in/photostream
09:11 cait 50 / 49...
09:11 cait should be more precise
09:11 Brooke I love how the cartoon Doctor has the floppy hair.
09:12 magnuse rangi: when is the next colour change again?
09:12 oakivil what licence does koha run under?
09:12 rangi gplv2 or later
09:12 rangi magnuse: 30
09:12 rangi to go green
09:12 Brooke there was much talk about shifting it to 3.
09:13 rangi well really agpl3
09:13 rangi its 3 now if anyway wants it to be, (the or later makes that easy)
09:13 rangi anyway = anyone
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09:14 rangi if we ever get a contribution from a proprietary vendor
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09:14 rangi i wouldnt accept it, unless it was gpl3
09:14 rangi to protect from their stupid patents
09:16 oakivil so how many active developers you have?
09:16 Brooke lots
09:16 oakivil 40 nicks hanging around
09:16 Brooke yeah, but not a dev
09:16 oakivil contributions from over 100 persons
09:16 oakivil yeah
09:16 Brooke so can't go by nick
09:16 cait last release had 63 iirc
09:16 cait speaking about 3.4
09:16 oakivil thats a lot
09:17 cait and almost 150 total now
09:17 rangi 65 diff people in 2011
09:18 rangi 144 in total
09:18 cait 66
09:18 cait hm
09:18 cait you can find some statistics here: :)
09:18 rangi thats a weird url
09:19 rangi ahh its a search
09:20 cait I had searched for the 3.4 post to verfiy my numbers
09:21 magnuse oakivil, there are some stats here too:
09:21 cait and on
09:22 cait ah,it's missing 3.4
09:22 magnuse anyone still got firefox 3.5 or thereabouts hanging around? looks like it's needed to test bug 6291
09:22 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6291 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Cart printing truncated in Firefox
09:22 cait no :(
09:23 cait ah nice, one wrong status for bug 6280
09:23 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6280 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, colin.campbell, ASSIGNED , Invalid SQL being passed in circulation checkout
09:23 cait was already signed-off
09:25 magnuse yay
09:26 magnuse 59
09:26 cait yay
09:26 cait and still orange
09:26 rangi yeah it wont go green until 30
09:26 rangi hang on
09:26 rangi ill make it go yellow at 50
09:28 rangi right, its gonna go yellow at 50
09:29 magnuse cool
09:30 magnuse woohoo i rememberd to swith to english when a patch affecting templates looked like it didn't do anything ;-)
09:30 rangi :)
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09:33 cait cool :)
09:33 cait hehe
09:33 cait easy to forget that
09:37 Oak my heroes!
09:37 * cait stops counting how many times she typed git bsz instead of git bz today
09:38 Brooke smells like an alias to me :P
09:39 oakivil Kuitenkin Kohan “GNU General Public License” (gplv2) pakottaa kaikki yhtiöt kehittämään samaa tuotetta ilman mahdollisuutta sotkea sekaan lisensoituja ohjelmistokomponentteja.
09:39 oakivil sorry copyastefailure
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09:43 oakivil have you considered a central authorities server?
09:43 oakivil for ex Finland has a service for checking authorities
09:43 cait we basically have one
09:43 rangi library authorities? or authentication?
09:44 cait GKD, SWD and PND databases
09:44 oakivil i mean the author,
09:44 cait I am talking about authorities :)
09:44 oakivil authorized author names
09:44 oakivil for ex
09:44 cait we have one in our union catalog and libraries catalog there
09:44 cait we import all linked and used authorities into koha nightly
09:46 oakivil ok
09:47 cait it's a different model, not really a koha feature
09:48 cait union catalog is not using koha, different software
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09:48 oakivil ok but it does nightly updates to koha so
09:48 oakivil anyway its doable
09:48 oakivil but its our problem here then
09:49 oakivil we can do that connection to our national authorities catalog no sweat
09:49 cait we use the bulkauthimport command line script and that seems to work well
09:49 oakivil ok
09:50 cait ah, to be correct, I think it changed to bulkmarcimport
09:50 cait which can also do authorities now
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09:56 magnuse hm, unsure about bug 6483 - it works beautifully, but i'm not sure about how it looks and where things are placed...
09:56 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6483 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, salva, ASSIGNED , Paging in opac-detail when coming from a search
09:57 Oak later guys, time for class
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09:59 cait have fun Oak :)
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10:14 druthb o/
10:15 Brooke 0/
10:21 magnuse o/
10:21 magnuse �/
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10:25 Brooke hehehee
10:32 * magnuse looks at Brooke with concern
10:33 druthb Hi, Magnus.  :)
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10:34 Brooke magnus: the laugh was for the wave
10:34 cait and all plz remember: today is global sign off day - claim a bug! :)
10:36 magnuse[…]06-15#Claim_a_bug.21
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10:44 cait ah magnuse,now you claimed 2! :)
10:45 magnuse yeah, they are related
10:45 magnuse so it makes sense to look at them together, i think
10:46 cait I agree, only teasing
10:47 magnuse :-)
10:57 magnuse 58
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10:58 cait whohoo
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11:07 * cait cait_afk
11:07 cait gonna meet with my mum, will be back a little later
11:15 magnuse 57
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11:22 Brooke 0/
11:22 Brooke Mums > Koha
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12:40 * magnus_lunch too
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12:47 oleonard How's the signing off going?
12:47 cait ah
12:47 cait I think we are making progress
12:47 cait check the wiki page :)
12:47 cait[…]06-15#Claim_a_bug.21
12:47 cait and hi oleonard
12:49 cait 20 done
12:49 oleonard Lots of tough ones on that list.
12:51 cait yep
12:51 cait but a comment or asing for a test plan is also good
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12:52 cait Claim a bug! :)
12:53 magnuse oleonard: a few more pairs of eyes on bug 6483 feels appropriate... ;-)
12:53 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6483 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, salva, ASSIGNED , Paging in opac-detail when coming from a search
12:53 magnuse 56[…]bin/
12:53 oleonard Yeah, I've got that on my list magnuse
12:53 oleonard I have a patch attached to Bug 5917 that could use a sign-off
12:53 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5917 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Switch Koha to use Template::Toolkit
12:54 oleonard Some random T:T fixes.
12:56 * oleonard wonders if he's still here
12:57 oleonard Oh good. Connection dropped out there for a minute.
13:01 cait velcro? :)
13:03 oleonard I think a bad update to a network driver
13:03 oleonard I was fighting with it all day yesterday
13:03 cait you know... could be worse
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13:04 * cait won the battle with the blinking grub> line
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13:05 oleonard Moving my chat session to the laptop with the good connection
13:06 cait when we sign off another six... we will get yellow!
13:14 cait new color for does not apply?
13:15 oakivil hmm is koha z39.50 configured to use port 210 as outbound?
13:15 oakivil by default
13:15 cait used silver
13:15 cait no
13:15 cait you can configure the port
13:15 oakivil LOC recommends 210
13:15 cait administration > z39.50 targets
13:15 cait ah
13:15 cait koha
13:15 cait not sure
13:16 sekjal hey, all, I can't stay long (meetings), but I wanted to thank everyone working on the signoffs today.  I'll try to make sure those are pushed through QA as quickly as I can
13:16 cait sorry, thought about z39.50 download
13:16 cait but I think you should be able to configure that too
13:16 oakivil well using z39.50
13:16 cait sekjal++ :)
13:16 oakivil koha tries to read the LOC catalog
13:17 cait oakivil: sorry, got confused
13:17 cait you want to download a record from an external source?
13:17 oakivil yes
13:17 cait or you want your koha installation to act as z39.50 server?
13:17 cait ok
13:17 oakivil atleast the core to modify for our lib needs
13:17 oakivil download from external server
13:17 cait 210 might be recommended, but in my experience a lot of different ports are used
13:17 oakivil so i can set it up from admin controls
13:18 cait you can configure the used port for each target, when you are behind a firewall you might need to change something there so that it works
13:19 magnuse oakivil, you configure it on a per-server basis in Administration � Z39.50 Servers
13:19 oakivil yeah
13:19 oakivil now i need to open all those ports on my firewall
13:19 oakivil LOC uses 7090
13:20 cait you can only open it for that server perhaps?
13:20 oakivil yes outbound
13:20 oakivil but what ithe inbound address
13:20 magnuse when koha is used as a z39.50 server?
13:21 magnuse you configure that when you run "perl Makefile.PL"
13:21 magnuse 9998 or 9999 is suggested as the default, i think
13:21 oakivil i chose default for everything
13:21 oakivil damn
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13:29 magnuse 54
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13:33 cait yay
13:36 oakivil well well Z39.50 works like a charm :D
13:37 cait :)
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13:37 oakivil is k007
13:37 cait oleonard: could you take a look at 6133 later?
13:38 cait k007?
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13:38 cait oleonard: I looked at it during hackfest in marseille, but was not sure if it's a good idea or not
13:39 cait 53
13:39 cait 3 more until yellow!
13:42 oakivil k007 as good!
13:42 oakivil its kewl
13:42 oakivil no more no less
13:42 magnuse bug 6133
13:42 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6133 trivial, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , Authorised values administration, warn for modifs
13:43 cait ah k007
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13:48 cait hm, not it gets hard to claimone
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13:58 oleonard cait: What was the question about bug 6133?
13:58 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6133 trivial, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , Authorised values administration, warn for modifs
13:58 cait what do you think about adding that warn?
14:00 magnuse 52
14:00 oleonard The patch doesn't apply for me
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14:01 cait ah
14:01 cait loooking at it - needs reformatting
14:02 cait probably pre TT
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14:06 oleonard Hi mcleary
14:06 mcleary Good day everyone. I am looking for a little help on exporting MARC records from winnebago spectrum to Koha. I have been able to export records and get them into Koha, but i am having issues with the barcodes
14:08 mcleary The exports are only showing the shortened barcode. We would like to preserve the barcodes into the new system. Does anyone know how, or where to get an materials list with the full barcode?
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14:08 cait sorry, I don't know winnebago
14:08 cait perhaps write to the list - more people reading there
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14:09 oleonard mcleary: So the export from winnebago has the incomplete barcode?
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14:09 wizzyrea ah mcleary let me ask some people
14:09 cait hi wizzyrea :)
14:09 cait want to claim a bug? ;)
14:10 mcleary correct. the exports are only showing between 5 and 6 digits of the 14 characters
14:10 wizzyrea what's the link for the query to see
14:10 talljoy mcleary: I'd be interested in this also.  I may be doing a winnebago export soon.
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14:10 mcleary when I run a barcode label print job, the full barcode is listed. It is not listed on any of the reports though
14:10 wizzyrea the extra digits are checksums + prefixes
14:11 wizzyrea the checksums can probably be calculated
14:11 wizzyrea unfortunately, our previous vendor did that manipulation for us when we had that problem
14:11 wizzyrea so we don't know what they did
14:11 wizzyrea :(
14:11 wizzyrea but I know it *can* be reverse engineered
14:11 mcleary I have no done any direct queries on Winnebego. I am not sure how.
14:12 wizzyrea mcleary: that was all for you
14:12 mcleary I was looking to do some brute force on the data files themselves, but have yet to find a reliable method of reverse engineering
14:14 mcleary Does anyone know the database type of spectrum. I keep circling back to either dbase or foxpro, but have not had much luck
14:14 wizzyrea I think it's proprietary :(
14:14 wizzyrea mcleary: we had that exact problem with one of our libraries
14:14 wizzyrea my coworker is looking something up quickly
14:15 wizzyrea
14:15 mcleary wonderful. any help I can get I am grateful for.
14:15 wizzyrea[…]te-checksum-digit
14:16 wizzyrea it looks like if you know the format of the barcode you can probably locate the checkdigit computing algorithm
14:16 wizzyrea 1. extract barcodes. 2. apply prefixes. 3. run algorithm. 4. recreate final barcode
14:16 wizzyrea[…]ility/upc-ean.asp
14:16 wizzyrea might help you as well
14:17 wizzyrea if you know the symbology
14:17 oleonard proprietary--
14:18 mcleary most of this is completely alien to me. I am a systems administrator assisting with the migration of for different ILS systems into one cooperative system
14:18 wizzyrea sounds familiar :)
14:18 mcleary Once I get the Winnebego going, I still have 3 other to figure out
14:18 wizzyrea which?
14:18 wahanui hmmm... which is helpful too
14:19 wizzyrea forget which
14:19 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot which
14:19 wizzyrea which is <reply>
14:20 wizzyrea[…]ulation/index.php
14:20 wizzyrea in case you missed that link at the top of the page
14:20 wizzyrea it's a bulk check digit calculator
14:21 mcleary I believe that one of them is the same as the spectrum just a different version. infocenter is also one
14:22 wizzyrea anyway, hope that helps
14:23 oleonard wizzyrea++
14:26 wizzyrea hm, winnebago seems to use Code 39 (possibly) so this calculator might be better:
14:26 wizzyrea
14:27 wizzyrea and if you're super nerdy, here are the calc methods for most barcodes: http://www4.infoprintsolutions[…]g/ib6p8mst334.htm
14:28 wizzyrea and a video!
14:28 wahanui a video is probably probably from rangi's hill
14:28 wizzyrea http://idautomation.blogspot.c[…]mod-43-check.html
14:28 wizzyrea forget a video
14:28 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot video
14:29 * oleonard would hate to see wizzyrea's memory-editing power used on himself
14:30 wizzyrea lol
14:30 Agent_Dani Are you sure it hasn't already been used on you?
14:30 oleonard No, I'm sure I would remember... Uh oh.
14:30 wizzyrea oleonard: forget everything dumb wizzyrea has ever done
14:31 wizzyrea >.>
14:31 cait not much to forget then :)
14:31 wizzyrea ha
14:31 wizzyrea oy
14:31 oleonard mybrainsql returned an empty set
14:31 wizzyrea lol
14:32 magnuse 50[…]bin/ - it's yellow! - woohoo
14:32 cait YELLOOOOOW!
14:32 wizzyrea magnuse: whats the link to the query to get the bugs awaiting sign off?
14:32 * wizzyrea is so lazy
14:33 oleonard They've got it on the wiki now for easy reference
14:33 cait yep
14:33 cait lots of useful stuff on the global sign off day page
14:33 cait magnuse++
14:34 oleonard[…]f_day,_2011-06-15
14:34 magnuse[…]g_id&list_id=7042
14:34 wizzyrea global sign off day is at[…]f_day,_2011-06-15
14:34 wizzyrea ty everybody
14:34 wizzyrea we oughta just do it every month
14:34 cait yep
14:34 magnuse yeah, if people are willing to take the time...
14:35 magnuse biblibre are setting aside half a day every other week!
14:35 paul_p @magnus++
14:35 huginn paul_p: downloading the Perl source
14:35 paul_p magnuse++
14:35 paul_p cait++
14:35 cait hi paul_p
14:35 paul_p (for signing things, of marking doesn't apply or failed QA)
14:36 paul_p hi paul_p & cait
14:36 paul_p magnuse?
14:36 wahanui i heard magnuse was afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza.
14:36 paul_p paul_p?
14:36 wahanui i guess paul_p is the bot
14:36 paul_p wahanui, forget paul_p
14:36 wahanui paul_p: I forgot paul_p
14:36 magnuse huh?
14:36 * paul_p querying wahanui to understand why he says "dl the perl source" ;-)
14:37 wizzyrea because you said @magnuse
14:37 wizzyrea is why
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14:37 wizzyrea hi atz :)
14:37 magnuse paul_p: maybe biblibre can sign off on the CAS stuff? that's 3 bugs right there...
14:37 cait hope we can get the numbers down more
14:37 cait next goal: 45
14:37 cait there is a lot of unimarc stuff too
14:38 magnuse we can do it! (but i have to go make dinner soon ;-)
14:38 cait I tried the plugins (have loaded UNIMARC framework) - but they needed rebasing
14:39 cait my guest will arrive soon
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14:39 magnuse nengard and wizzyrea: i challenge you to look at bug 6483 and give an opinion (there are screenshots ;-)
14:39 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6483 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, salva, ASSIGNED , Paging in opac-detail when coming from a search
14:40 magnuse it has quite a big impact on how the detail page in the opac looks...
14:41 nengard magnuse i would recommend that the back button be towards the top (and at the bottom if we want it in two places ... but it should be at thet op
14:41 nengard at the top
14:42 magnuse at the top of what?
14:42 nengard of the page
14:42 nengard above the bib detail
14:42 nengard if the bib had 30 items you'll never see that button :)
14:42 nengard most patrons won't scroll that far to see it
14:42 wizzyrea I like the idea, did he fix the deal with the ugly url?
14:43 nengard the pagination and the results on the bib detail can be at the bottom since that takes up a lot of space
14:43 magnuse ugly urls are gone!
14:43 nengard woo hoo
14:43 wizzyrea ^^ agree with what she says
14:43 cait I like it at the top because it will not move around
14:43 wizzyrea I think prev/next should be at top and bottom
14:43 cait so you don't have to move the mouse to page through
14:43 wizzyrea or just top, and pagination at the bottom
14:43 wizzyrea yes, that is also a good point, cait
14:43 wizzyrea they should be in a static location
14:43 wizzyrea that never moves as you page through
14:44 wizzyrea nothing more annoying than a hopping next button
14:44 magnuse that's why i would like to have it in the right hand column, in a grey box...
14:44 * oleonard tries to find an example of how another system does it, finds a system using frames >:P
14:44 oleonard wizzyrea: That's why I thought having it in the sidebar would be good
14:44 magnuse yeah, let's use frames! that is soooo coool!
14:44 oleonard
14:45 magnuse s/right hand column/sidebar/
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14:45 nengard oh dear - do not copy aquabrowser
14:46 magnuse hehe
14:46 * cait looks at magnuse
14:47 * magnuse hides
14:47 cait are you ok?
14:47 oleonard Anyone know any other systems that have this feature to see how they do it?
14:47 magnuse need a break soon, i think ;-)
14:47 oleonard Worldcat has a "return to search" link but not back and next links
14:49 cait I really like the idea - I was asked about those buttons
14:49 oleonard Not that big of a win to find that Horizon doesn't do it.
14:49 nengard I don't know of any others with the next and previous on the detailed display
14:49 nengard but i do like the way worldcat does next and previous on the search results
14:49 nengard it's clean
14:49 nengard and their back to results link is clean as well
14:50 nengard easy to find and not in your face
14:50 nengard i like
14:50 cait oleonard: depends on the horizon you look at
14:50 cait
14:50 cait and yes, it's using frames
14:50 magnuse evergreen:[…]ue&ft=&l=1&d=0&f= has "Start � � End" (at least sometimes...)
14:53 magnuse where � and � are back and forward, respectively
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14:56 magnuse the developer for the paging is really responsive to wishes, so it would be really good if "we, the community" could give him some clear wishes for where we want things placed
14:56 magnuse it seems a shame to leave him hanging...
14:56 magnuse can we agree on something?
14:56 magnuse put everything in a box in the sidebar?
14:57 cait I like a static position always visible - to above or beside the record
14:57 magnuse +1
14:57 cait and perhaps we can use symbols?
14:57 cait like arrow
14:57 cait s
14:57 magnuse that seemed to be the consensus, rather than having it below the items
14:57 rhcl_away   <-- interesting thingie on the left side
14:58 magnuse and the list of "neighbours" pops up when you click on "..." so having that above the items/record would be weird
14:58 magnuse which leaves the sidebar, in my opinion
14:59 magnuse rhcl_away: aqua browser thingy, i think?
14:59 cait oleonard++
15:00 cait becaues for one more time I see how nice looking koha's opac is
15:00 magnuse yay!
15:00 wizzyrea sidebar++
15:00 wizzyrea that's fine by me
15:00 wizzyrea as long as they don't move
15:00 wizzyrea page to page
15:00 wizzyrea afk
15:01 magnuse ok, unless i hear objections within 20 seconds i will recommend the sidebar in a comment on the bug ;-)
15:01 magnuse yeah, the "not move" point is an important one
15:01 rhcl_away the relationships graph
15:01 cait hm the plac ehold links might move things around a little
15:01 cait because we hide that sometimes
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15:02 oleonard magnuse:  How will your recommendation differ from the current state of it?
15:02 nengard I actually like the top left as a place for the back to results link
15:02 nengard it's where i always look for something going 'back'
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15:03 nengard magnuse i did disagree ....
15:03 nengard [11:06]  <nengard> I actually like the top left as a place for the back to results link
15:03 nengard [11:06]  <nengard> it's where i always look for something going 'back'
15:03 nengard but if i'm in the minority then that's fine
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15:03 magnuse oleonard, well i sort of said "let's have more people telling what they want/like"
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15:04 magnuse and i don't want him to have to wait indefinetly for opinions
15:04 magnuse so i thought i'd say "we talked about it on irc and concluded that..."
15:05 magnuse nengard: yeah, noted. wanna comment on the bug?
15:05 nengard yeah i will
15:05 magnuse cool
15:06 magnuse if y'all do that i'll refrain, i just want to move this along...
15:07 oleonard nengard: What about having it at the top of the sidebar rather than in the middle?
15:08 nengard then it's on the right, not the left of the screen - and if you look at all browsers the back button in the browser is in the top left and so that's where most people look for a way to go 'back' to something
15:08 nengard that's my logic
15:08 wizzyrea it's the same on the iPhone interface (but not on android): back is always at top left
15:09 wizzyrea android gives a handy button that is always there to go back
15:09 magnuse actually there is a separate bug that introduces just a "back to search" button
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15:10 oleonard The trouble with using the "back" convention is that we're talking about back /and/ next
15:10 wizzyrea back at top left, next at top right?
15:10 oleonard I think we're in a situation where we'll depend on habituation rather than expectation
15:10 wizzyrea hmm you could be right
15:11 wizzyrea ie people will get used to it wherever it is
15:11 wizzyrea so just stick it and leave it?
15:11 cait I am not sure another menu bar / links doing someting is good - would prefersticking to things and places we have already established
15:11 nengard why do the two have to be together?
15:11 nengard put the next/prev in the column on the right
15:11 nengard and the back on the top left
15:11 oleonard I think they'll get lost that way
15:12 nengard k
15:12 nengard like i said if i'm in the minority i understand
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15:12 nengard it's a good feature, we should get it in
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15:14 wizzyrea this might be an outrage: go ahead and get it in, and let owen take a crack at it after that?
15:15 wizzyrea a la revision?
15:15 * wizzyrea considers that maybe owen doesn't want to do that
15:15 nengard keep loosing my connection - need to fix the router - will probably disconnect me - be back soon
15:15 * oleonard is preparing a screenshot
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15:15 wizzyrea ha
15:15 wizzyrea <3
15:16 wizzyrea or he could submit a new patch with his suggested changes ^.^
15:18 oleonard
15:18 cait <§
15:18 cait <3
15:18 cait sorry
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15:18 wizzyrea love it
15:18 cait wanted to say I love it
15:19 wizzyrea nengard:
15:19 oleonard nengard:
15:19 wizzyrea ha!
15:19 nengard nice
15:19 nengard my connection is WAY slow and I can't get it up to speed .... bleh
15:19 wizzyrea I like that very much
15:19 cait ah
15:19 cait I think there is something missing, this feature to show all on the same page?
15:19 nengard what would it look like if it's expanded like that second picture on the bug
15:19 cait or is that something different?
15:19 magnuse yeah, that looks good to me
15:20 magnuse good point, cait
15:20 oleonard Yeah, my screenshot doesn't address that feature
15:20 wizzyrea but that, there
15:20 oleonard I wonder if a centered modal window isn't appropriate for that?
15:20 wizzyrea I like much
15:20 cait model window?
15:20 cait modal?
15:21 wizzyrea
15:21 wizzyrea like a drop down overlay type thing?
15:22 * wizzyrea imagines owen furiously coding
15:22 magnuse hehe
15:22 oleonard
15:22 oleonard That's a little more than I can do editing the source in Firebug ;)
15:23 oleonard jqModal is a plugin I've used before for this kind of thing. I'd like to have a standard way in Koha to handle that kind of interaction, so I wouldn't mind introducing it as a new dependency
15:24 magnuse cool
15:25 oleonard I guess jQueryUI has a version of this too
15:25 oleonard
15:27 oleonard My vote: move the links as I suggested in my screenshot, leave the rest as is. Iterate later.
15:28 wizzyrea ^^
15:28 wizzyrea +1 to that
15:28 magnuse what about the list thing? have that in the sidebar?
15:28 wizzyrea leave it as is, fix it later
15:28 magnuse or below the items, as is?
15:29 oleonard I say leave it below the items for now
15:29 magnuse ok, cool
15:29 magnuse care to add that to the bug, and upload the screenshot?
15:29 cait but it's only ...?
15:29 oleonard Sure
15:29 magnuse way cool!
15:30 oleonard cait: Good point, that could be improved too
15:31 magnuse thanks for weighing in on this folks, and sorry for my nagging - you are the bestest!
15:32 cait and 49 :)
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15:32 magnuse it's dinnertime, but i may be back later - and hope to see an even lower number then ;-)
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15:32 magnuse @wunder boo
15:32 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 16.0�C (5:20 PM CEST on June 15, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
15:32 cait yep
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15:32 cait europe is tired, next shift should take over
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15:38 cait big silence? :)
15:38 wizzyrea nah
15:39 wizzyrea i just discovered that my dev install hasn't indexed. switching to my small dev install db and reindexing that
15:39 wizzyrea then i will get on it. :)
15:40 cait wizzyrea++ :)
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15:59 wizzyrea great, small db all set :)
16:00 cait :)
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16:07 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6150] UNIMARC field 225 plugin: allow $a value data entry <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6150>
16:08 wizzyrea cait: on bug 5379 did you mean to sign off on that
16:08 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5379 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, cnighswonger, ASSIGNED , fails with db insert/update errors
16:08 wizzyrea it looks like, according to your comment, you maybe meant to?
16:08 wizzyrea or are you suggesting further patches to the help file?
16:09 cait yeah
16:09 cait I suggested a follow up
16:09 cait it worked nicely but I thought the docs needed to be changed
16:10 cait and now it might not apply any longer :(
16:12 wizzyrea k i'll check to see if it applies
16:15 wizzyrea well hm
16:15 wizzyrea how do you check that if you're pulling from a remote branch?
16:16 wizzyrea i suspect I'm going to learn a lot about git today
16:16 cait oh
16:16 cait I think you might need to rebase
16:16 wizzyrea aha
16:16 wizzyrea something like rebase -i -s3 origin
16:16 wizzyrea ?
16:17 wizzyrea git rebase, of course :P
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16:19 cait I think just git rebase master/origin
16:20 wizzyrea yup it works, still applies --- or at least the rebase came back no errors
16:20 * wizzyrea grabs the test csv
16:20 cait cool!
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16:42 Oak hello my dear ones
16:42 Oak what's the counter
16:43 wizzyrea 50
16:43 wizzyrea[…]bin/
16:43 cait we were down to 49
16:44 Oak good good
16:44 oleonard That page needs some style. The number should be giant.
16:45 Oak i can style that... if you need
16:45 cait :)
16:45 cait I think the idea was to embed it somewhere
16:45 Oak using some font from
16:45 cait but we didn't manageto embed it into the wiki yet
16:45 Oak ah
16:45 Oak dinner is on the table... be back in 15
16:46 cait oh dinner..
16:46 wahanui dinner is probably a good keyword
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16:50 cait pho?
16:51 wizzyrea lol
16:51 wizzyrea forget dinner
16:51 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot dinner
16:51 wizzyrea silly
16:51 wizzyrea @botsnack cookie
16:51 huginn wizzyrea: I suck
16:51 wizzyrea botsnack cookie
16:51 wizzyrea meh
16:51 wizzyrea my bot whispering skills don't extend to cookies, apparently
16:52 cait wahanui botsnack schokokeks
16:52 wahanui thanks cait :)
16:52 wizzyrea thx cait :)
16:53 wizzyrea right that should be down to 49
16:53 cait yay :)
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16:54 wizzyrea cait, that SIP stuff... I don't have a non-production sip machine to test it with :(
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16:57 ricmarques Hi all... I'm going a bit nuts here with "git". Does anyone know why "git log existing_file" is returning no output, instead of the log of that file? "git log" works. Running Debian 6.0.1 ("Squeeze")
16:57 cait yeah, I have no idea how to do that
16:58 cait I think sekjal has something?
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17:08 ricmarques Never mind, I got it... I was doing " git log blib/PERL_MODULE_DIR/C4/SIP/" (doesn't work)   instead of  "git log C4/SIP/"  (works!)
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17:14 cait Claim a bug for global sign off day![…],_2011-06-15#What
17:16 cait ;)
17:17 Oak save some bugs for next sign-off day okay
17:18 cait we will hve new bugs until then - no worry
17:18 Oak oh good
17:18 Oak or not good? maybe
17:18 wizzyrea bugs happen, fixing them is the challenge ;)
17:18 wizzyrea afk lunch
17:22 ricmarques I believe we have 2 new quips for Koha's Bugzilla: "<Oak> save some bugs for next sign-off day okay" and "<cait> we will hve new bugs until then - no worry"  ;-)
17:23 Oak :D
17:25 ricmarques Quips added :)
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17:29 * Oak goes to see the lunar eclipse
17:30 cait :)
17:30 Oak yup :) going now... after that smiley
17:30 cait :)
17:30 cait hope you have a good view
17:32 Oak thanks! now really really leaving
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17:42 Oak_away is now known as Oak
17:43 Oak uh oh, i don't see any change in the moon's shape
17:43 Oak will try agin in half hour
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17:45 magnuse back, but not for long...
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17:47 ricmarques "Invalid command 'RewriteEngine'" .... here we go again  :(
17:49 ricmarques "# a2enmod rewrite" solved it (Oh... the joys of Apache Configuration in Debian!)
17:49 magnuse yay!
17:50 ricmarques magnuse:  :)
17:54 ricmarques "Welcome to the Koha Web Installer".... Now, that's more like it!  :)
17:54 magnuse woohoo
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18:10 magnuse keep those sign offs coming, folks! still 16 hours left of the day (in hawaii)!
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18:23 ricmarques Gotta go... Take care, ppl!  :)
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18:25 wizzyrea soo what do we do with the ones that are "needs sign off" but are dependent on other bugs that have failed qa?
18:25 wizzyrea such as bug 5871
18:25 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5871 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , CSS changes for OPAC
18:26 wizzyrea should they change status to something else?
18:26 wizzyrea do we need a new status "waiting on dependency"
18:26 oleonard Maybe for the wiki listing at least
18:27 wizzyrea or... mark as failed with a note that it's waiting on it's dependency?
18:27 wizzyrea does not apply might be better
18:27 wizzyrea (cuz it doesn't, until the dependency does)
18:36 slef moo
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18:39 cait hi slef
18:41 wizzyrea cait: bug 5877 -- does that db table referenced come from some other patch?
18:41 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5877 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , Offline circulation improvements : upload all files, apply at once
18:41 cait it seems not
18:41 wizzyrea because i've just marked it failed on the same grounds
18:41 cait ok
18:41 cait should have done that
18:41 wizzyrea as you did - I tried to use it but the db table it's asking for apparently doesn't exist?
18:42 wizzyrea all good :)
18:42 wizzyrea maybe I'm missing something.
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18:43 cait yeah, paul_p will tell us :)
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19:22 talljoy I'm working on zebra for my new install (Koha 3.4.1) on Debian 6.  I am getting this error when trying to reindex:
19:22 talljoy Can't locate C4/ in @INC (@INC contains: usr/share/koha/lib /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at koha-3.4.1/misc/migration_tools/ line 6.
19:22 talljoy BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at koha-3.4.1/misc/migration_tools/ line 6.
19:22 wizzyrea export PERL5LIB = /home/koha/kohaclone and
19:23 wizzyrea export KOHA_CONF=/home/koha/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml
19:23 wizzyrea then try again?
19:23 * library_systems_guy agrees with wizzyrea
19:23 wizzyrea uh, your path may vary depending on which user you installed koha in
19:24 wizzyrea and whether you are using a dev install or not
19:24 talljoy not a dev install.  just the standard install
19:24 wizzyrea ah ok
19:24 wizzyrea then probably...
19:25 wizzyrea 170 Example (for standard install):
19:25 wizzyrea 171     $ export KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/koha-conf.xml
19:25 wizzyrea 172     $ export PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib
19:25 wizzyrea 173
19:26 talljoy that's what I had done.  and I got the error
19:26 wizzyrea hm, what are you typing to try and reindex?
19:27 talljoy as root user....    koha-3.4.1/misc/migration_tools/ -z -b -a
19:27 wizzyrea ah, did you run the export as your root user too?
19:28 talljoy hmmm....don't think i did an export...
19:28 wizzyrea run the two exports as root and try again
19:29 talljoy oh, you mean the export of path.  yes i did those as root
19:29 wizzyrea ah
19:29 wizzyrea and you say your path is in a koha-3.4.1
19:29 talljoy yup
19:29 wizzyrea what's above koha-3.4.1
19:29 talljoy nothing
19:29 wizzyrea or is it at the root of the drive
19:29 talljoy ls
19:29 wizzyrea AH
19:29 wizzyrea AHA
19:29 wizzyrea so instead of the regular paths
19:29 talljoy do tell...what did i do?
19:29 wizzyrea 1mo
19:30 wizzyrea can you ls /usr/share/koha/lib?
19:30 wizzyrea do you get anything there?
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19:31 wizzyrea um, no question mark at the end heh
19:31 talljoy C4
19:31 wizzyrea hmm
19:32 talljoy exactly.
19:33 library_systems_guy isn't that where C4 is supposed to be on a prod install?
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19:37 wizzyrea yep
19:38 * talljoy scratches head...
19:43 * wizzyrea is thinking about this problem
19:43 wizzyrea oh
19:43 wizzyrea in your error
19:43 wizzyrea it says
19:44 wizzyrea (@INC contains: usr/share/koha/lib
19:44 wizzyrea I think you need a / on the front of that usr
19:44 wizzyrea so export PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib
19:44 talljoy let me try.  (I always forget those ; in SQL statements too)
19:46 talljoy i ran it and got no error.  just went to the next comman line.  let me see inside catalog if data exists now..
19:46 * wizzyrea cheers
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19:48 talljoy still not data in koha though...
19:48 wizzyrea add a -v to that index job
19:48 wizzyrea and it'll tell you more
19:49 talljoy oh hmm.. 0 records exported.
19:49 talljoy might have something to do with it.  lol
19:49 wizzyrea ooo
19:49 wizzyrea :)
19:49 wizzyrea maybe
19:50 talljoy thought i had installed test data in install.
19:50 talljoy hmmmm
19:50 wizzyrea well you can do a query in mysql to see
19:50 wizzyrea select count(*) from biblio would tell you how many biblios it thinks you should have
19:51 talljoy i'll try to remember the ';'
19:51 wizzyrea :)
19:53 talljoy count of 0
19:53 talljoy sigh
19:54 wizzyrea there you have it, it appears you have no bibs. BUT
19:54 wizzyrea you can index it once you do have bibs!
19:54 wizzyrea so that's a win
19:54 talljoy LOL
19:54 talljoy all in the attitude.
19:54 talljoy i've got another error that I think is related to debian 6
19:55 wizzyrea ah, ok go
19:55 talljoy update-rc.d koha-zebra-daemon defaults
19:55 talljoy update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing
19:55 talljoy insserv: warning: script 'koha-zebra-daemon' missing LSB tags and overrides
19:55 talljoy the first is the command i ran
19:55 talljoy the last two are the error messages.
19:56 wizzyrea well a warning anywa
19:56 wizzyrea y
19:56 wizzyrea ps ax | grep zebra
19:56 wizzyrea does that give you any results?
19:56 talljoy 24703 pts/0    S+     0:00 grep zebra
19:57 wizzyrea oh have you actually started the daemon?
19:57 wizzyrea der
19:57 wizzyrea (me, not you)
19:57 wizzyrea that last command tells it to start at boot time
19:57 talljoy yes, i wasn't sure a warning was enough to stop me.  :-)
20:01 talljoy on to cron jobs.  (no errors to report yet ;-) )
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20:54 wizzyrea hi nate :)
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22:22 slef yeehah
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22:26 * slef starts installing a development koha for signing off... better late than never
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22:31 cait hi #koha :)
22:33 Space_Librarian hey cait
22:33 Space_Librarian You're up late
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22:38 eythian hi cait
22:40 cait good night #koha
22:40 cait wizzyrea++
22:40 cait magnuse++ :
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23:02 pianohacker Hi
23:09 slef hi pianohacker !
23:09 pianohacker hey slef
23:09 pianohacker how's it going?
23:13 slef @query yaz4
23:13 huginn slef: No results for "yaz4."
23:13 slef pianohacker: not too bad. Finally have our new research machine up.
23:14 pianohacker Research machine?
23:14 slef anyone know if we actually need yaz3 rather than yaz4?
23:14 slef @query libyaz3
23:14 huginn slef: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5468 minor, P5, ---, robin, NEW , libyaz3 debian dependency
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23:15 jransom Morena all
23:15 slef hi jransom
23:16 eythian slef: I think yaz4 is fine, so far as I remember
23:16 * eythian checks to see what I run
23:16 slef hrm, there's a install_misc/ but no install_misc/ not that running random sh as root is a good thing anyway
23:16 jransom heya
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23:16 * eythian changes person in the middle of my comment
23:16 Brooke kia ora
23:16 jransom tena koe
23:16 eythian jransom: g'day
23:17 pianohacker slef: dpkg --set-selections < whatever_file_it_is_these_days; sudo apt-get dselect-upgrade ?
23:17 pianohacker hi brooke, ransom, eythian
23:17 slef pianohacker: yeah, that was what's in my local notes, disagrees with INSTALL.debian
23:17 eythian slef: our stuff runs libyaz4
23:17 slef eythian: thanks
23:17 pianohacker slef: install.debian is wrong on that point, afaik
23:17 slef INSTALL.debian is probably going to get patched to within an inch of its life when I get a mo
23:20 pianohacker slef++
23:20 pianohacker preemptive karma :)
23:21 slef I think I've just seen another hack which will simplify it further.
23:22 slef sudo aptitude install $(perl debian/list-deps)
23:23 slef dang, that won't work quite like that
23:23 slef but you get the idea
23:23 eythian that won't work because there are a couple that aren't in debian
23:24 eythian I've put those in the koha repos though, and pushed them into debian squeeze+1
23:24 slef eythian: yeah, debian/list-deps should put missing errors on stderr not stdout
23:25 slef eythian: no, I can't remember the next codename either :)
23:25 eythian I think that perhaps it should put them on stdout and stderr, that way the build will break if you don't notice the stderr message, which is what you want
23:31 Brooke oh eythian, you're looking good mate, and I've not even had a beer.
23:31 Brooke ease of installation ++
23:31 Brooke eythian++
23:31 eythian Brooke: are you playing with the packages?
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23:33 pianohacker rangi: around?

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