Time Nick Message 00:10 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5714 follow up removing the debugging message <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=abdd5e8ced775000c827e40befc21fa36caa340f> 00:12 jenkins_koha Starting build 299 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 00:55 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #299: SUCCESS in 43 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/299/ 00:55 jenkins_koha Chris Cormack: Bug 5714 follow up removing the debugging message 00:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5714 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Unescaped ampersands in OPAC facets 01:29 druthb o/ 01:38 rangi hi druthb and hdl 01:39 hdl hi rangi 01:43 druthb hi, rangi! :D 01:43 rangi http://www.osslabs.biz/news/british-council-libraries-adopt-koha 01:43 rangi pretty cool 01:44 rangi http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/wellington-pm/2011-June/001431.html 01:44 * rangi shows off 01:45 druthb congrats, rangi! :) 01:46 rangi we only got 2/10 in the networking round :) 02:06 rangi hey bgallagher 02:06 bgallagher hey 02:09 hdl hi bgallagher 02:29 bgallagher hi 02:29 wahanui privet, bgallagher 04:19 rangi @quote random 04:19 huginn rangi: Quote #45: "<CGI988> sekjal - you are a genious!!!!! asking me about the browser!!!! yes it's the #$%$#%$#ing IE was messing my cataloguing, oh I hate miscrosoft, the evil!" (added by gmcharlt at 07:00 PM, November 05, 2009) 05:57 cait hi #koha 05:58 Oak your laptop problem... fixed? 05:58 cait yep :) 05:59 Oak did it yourself? 05:59 cait yep :) 05:59 Oak without fresh install? 05:59 cait when I was about to give up I found another manual and that worked 05:59 * Oak hugs cait 05:59 cait it seems the other things I found before missed a chroot /dev 05:59 cait :) 06:00 cait so I am ready to claim a bug now 06:00 Oak that's how we do it!!! we don't re-install. we fix. 06:00 Oak good 06:00 Oak cait++ 06:00 cait hehe thx 06:01 cait I knew it was possible to fix it- because it has been done 2 times before. the question was only how 06:01 Oak sorry about the 'you can cry now' comment by me :| 06:01 cait that's ok :) 06:01 Oak okay 06:01 cait it made me laugh 06:01 Oak oh good 06:01 Oak that helps 06:01 cait so, want to claim a bug too? 06:02 cait we still have a lot to choose from 06:02 Oak me? 06:02 wahanui you are Arslan. I am a student doing masters in Library Science (2nd semester). I am a web developer and work in Joomla. 06:02 Oak whoa how does he know that 06:02 * Oak goes to check xchat settings 06:02 cait wahanui does know a lot of things 06:02 wahanui cait: what? 06:02 cait cait? 06:02 wahanui you are kf or a programmer or really sweet or a source of great chocolate or the purveyor of an infinite supply of virtual cookies 06:05 cait Oak: he learns from what people tell him 06:05 Oak hmm... i see. weird. 06:05 cait @wunder Reutlingen 06:05 huginn cait: The current temperature in Reutlingen, Germany is 16.6�C (8:10 AM CEST on June 15, 2011). Conditions: Fog. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 28.82 in 975.8 hPa (Steady). 06:06 cait I think you have told him :) 06:06 Oak i guess :) or told someone and he was listening 06:08 cait god morgen magnuse! :) 06:08 magnuse guten morgen cait 06:08 magnuse ...and #koha 06:09 Oak :] 06:09 magnuse hiya Oak 06:09 Oak Heya magnuse :) 06:13 alex_a bonjour 06:13 magnuse bonjour alex_a 06:14 cait hi alex_a :) 06:14 cait can someone change the motd? 06:14 cait to have the new date for the next meeting and a hint about sign-off-day? 06:14 cait http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Global_sign_off_day,_2011-06-15#Claim_a_bug.21 06:14 Oak Bonjour alex_a 06:14 magnuse slef or rangi, perhaps? 06:17 cait summoning didn't work :) 06:17 magnuse nope 06:21 oakivil morning #koha 06:22 Oak hello oakivil 06:22 alex_a hi magnuse cait Oak and all :) 06:22 Oak :) 06:22 magnuse moi oakivil 06:29 reiveune hello 06:29 Oak http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_2011_lunar_eclipse 06:29 Oak hello reiveune 06:29 cait hi reiveune 06:29 reiveune hi cait, Oak 06:38 * magnuse will not be able to see the lunar eclipse, because it will be below the horizon... :-( 06:44 cait patches waiting for sign off: 68 - magnuse++ 06:45 magnuse another one bites the dust... 06:46 oakivil so you guys/gals are all working for some company that pays for your development effort? 06:48 christophe_c hello all 06:49 cait hi christophe_c 06:49 cait oakivil: I think most of us do 06:50 magnuse i guess the customers are doing the paying... 06:50 magnuse ;-) 06:50 oakivil the December lunar eclipse hits my birthday! 06:51 oakivil they always do 06:51 oakivil and they are so pissed about that 06:53 cait hm, I think they are ok paying as long as they get something for it 06:55 cait hm what was the trick to reload javascript? 06:55 cait f5 + ? 06:55 magnuse part of free software is giving something back - to me paying a company so someone can do stuff like sign off patches on your behalf looks like one way to give back 06:56 eythian cait: ctrl-f5 06:56 magnuse cait: ctrl+shift+r 06:56 magnuse or shift+reload 06:57 cait ok thx :) 06:59 magnuse eythian, just fyi i'm testing bug 6199 now 06:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6199 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, ASSIGNED , Allow bulkmarcimport to blank duplicate barcodes rather than skipping items 06:59 julian hello #koha 06:59 eythian sweet 07:00 cait ... the one I failed on 07:00 cait not sure what to hope - that it works for magnuse or that he sees the same things I did :) 07:00 Oak no failed... just one more way how *not* to fix it 07:01 cait Oak: you remind me of yoda today 07:01 eythian cait: I'm hoping that it works for him ;) 07:01 Oak umm, good? :) 07:01 cait yeah 07:02 Oak :) 07:03 eythian damnit, I spend so much time using vim, I can't use a regular editor without filling it with jjjjkkk type things. 07:04 Oak hehe 07:04 eythian Irma: I'm going to spend another hour or so sketching out more workshop plans. 07:22 cait patches waiting for sign off: 67 07:28 magnuse yay 07:30 cait hm, can't reproduce bug 6479 07:30 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6479 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, fcapovilla, NEW , Encoding problem in "recievedlist" when the numbering formula contains utf-8 characters 07:31 cait ah, checked wrong screen, now I see it 07:31 Oak :) 07:34 rangi 66 07:34 magnuse yay 07:38 Oak *++ 07:40 cait incorrect 07:40 cait 65 07:41 cait :) 07:41 Oak :] 07:42 cait rangi++ 07:49 magnuse eythian, cait: i think i see a minor problem with the patch for bug 6199: the pod says the option is -dedupbarcodes but GetOptions is looking for dedupbarcode without the s: 'dedupbarcode' => \$dedup_barcode, 07:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6199 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, ASSIGNED , Allow bulkmarcimport to blank duplicate barcodes rather than skipping items 07:50 cait aha! 07:50 eythian cait: however, the command line you pasted into the bug was correct 07:51 cait hm looking at my pastes on the patch it seems i tested without s :( 07:51 cait yeah 07:51 magnuse i'll test without the s now... 07:51 eythian http://www.mosc.my/index.php <-- the front page is all about Microsoft Azure, and Koha. I'm not quite sure how I feel about that :) 07:53 cait mr. robin sheat 07:53 cait :) 07:54 magnuse eythian: looks like a strange combo... 07:54 eythian yeah. That happens a lot in Asian/Pacific places. In the Solomon Islands I was referred to formally as "Mr. Robin" 07:54 rangi magnuse: its kinda the difference between open source and free software 07:55 eythian magnuse: it is. I guess it's microsoft's "we're all happy and friendly with open source (ignore the fact we're suing people for using it too)" kick. 07:55 rangi you wont see microsoft at free software conferences, but yeah they are happy to try to subvert the open source ones 07:57 eythian alright, another couple of hours of workshop planned out. Time to go home. 07:57 cait have a nice evening mr robin 07:57 eythian :P 07:57 eythian :) 07:57 Oak take care mr. robin 07:57 eythian bye 08:01 eythian you're all bad people! ;) 08:01 Oak hehe, you are a jolly good fellow mr. robin 08:03 cait now he hurt my feelings... 08:03 cait :P 08:03 cait germs? 08:03 Oak who? mr. robin? 08:03 cait only checking 08:03 cait yeah, mr robins comment was not nice 08:04 Oak hmm 08:06 cait ;) 08:06 cait it's ok, back to signing off patches! 08:19 Brooke kia ora 08:19 Oak heya Brooke :) 08:25 cait hi Brooke 08:25 Brooke tag 08:34 magnuse 63 08:34 magnuse kia ora Brooke 08:34 rangi 3 more to get it to change to orange 08:34 Brooke kiiiiia orrrraaaa 08:34 Brooke nice rangi 08:36 * rangi marks one works for me 08:37 * Brooke thinks rangi needs a virtual coup device. 08:37 cait :) 08:37 cait coup device? 08:37 cait almost done with my bug 08:38 magnuse cait: sadly i got the same results as you for bug 6199... 08:38 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6199 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, ASSIGNED , Allow bulkmarcimport to blank duplicate barcodes rather than skipping items 08:39 rangi have to fail qa it, if 2 people get the same thats good enough for a fail qa 08:40 rangi 61 08:40 cait magnuse: now I feel less crazy, but robinwill not be happy 08:41 Oak mr robin 08:41 cait right g 08:41 cait Oak: what about you? want to sign-off on something? :) 08:42 Oak I don't know how to :-| 08:42 magnuse Oak: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Sign_off_on_patches 08:43 cait magnuse++ 08:43 cait graet test report 08:43 cait we can help you :) 08:43 magnuse thanks cait :-) 08:43 Brooke arright good people "You test it." ain't good enough. :P 08:44 * Oak reading http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Sign_off_on_patches 08:54 cait Oak: need help? 08:55 Oak don't want to interrupt your work. my system has a relatively new Slackware 13.37 install. First I need to install Koha... then I can do anything :-| 08:56 cait ohok 08:56 cait yes, a koha for testing things is a requirement :) 08:57 oakivil there are lots of different companies here developing koha 08:57 oakivil how much of the work the companies do are actuially shared as open source? 08:57 rangi all of it 08:57 oakivil there must be interest to have parts as open source 08:57 oakivil or certain modules as such 08:58 rangi luckily the license doesnt allow that 08:58 oakivil i mean closed source 08:58 oakivil not even for separate modules? 08:58 rangi no 08:58 oakivil ok 08:58 oakivil is k007 08:58 Brooke closed source, unlike good intentions, is actually a good chunk of pavers on the road to hell. 08:58 oakivil ill write that up :D 08:58 Oak cait, well, I definitely want to learn this... may be not today, but I will prepare myself for next sign-off day, as in an hour I have to leave for my class, after that I need to prepare a presentation and email to my teacher... 08:58 cait oakivil: we share all we do too - but we do only small things so far 08:58 oakivil ok 08:59 oakivil hmm 08:59 rangi friends dont let friends use proprietary software 08:59 magnuse yay 08:59 oakivil yay! 08:59 rangi its unethical, wrong and evil 08:59 cait Oak: that's ok :) you know where to find us if you have questions 08:59 oakivil the way i have observed is that i should recommend libraries using koha to have a separate section of personell to maintain koha installations 09:00 * rangi is less an open source proponent and more a free software proponent 09:00 oakivil the migration from version to version 09:00 Oak yes, and I'll definitely ask for help cait 09:00 magnuse part of what's good about koha is you can swith vendors without switching ILS. that only works as long as the whole system is free software 09:00 magnuse closed source modules = vendor lock in 09:00 oakivil magnus are you the one-man ils company we have been talking about here in Finland? 09:00 Brooke oakivil: that's ideal. Some do not have that luxury, so bear that in mind. 09:01 oakivil yeah we need a sufficient library base to fund several people 09:01 rangi oakivil: or they could just pay a support company, instead of paying license fees :) 09:01 oakivil we cant let the maintenance of our ils on one person 09:01 magnuse oakivil, probably, i'm magnus enger of libriotech ;-) 09:01 * Brooke points out that one could do worse than have Magnus as their "one man". 09:01 oakivil yes that is one option 09:01 oakivil i know that magnus 09:01 oakivil :D 09:01 rangi theres nothing different in paying for support for free software or proprietary 09:01 rangi well there is 09:01 oakivil well its good to make aquintances 09:02 rangi with free software you actually do get support 09:02 oakivil yesh, no vendor lock in 09:02 rangi proprietary you pay 09:02 oakivil that is the problem here in finland too 09:02 rangi and get nothing 09:02 rangi and get told to wait for the next version 09:02 oakivil support has been canceled for our current systems 09:02 rangi which still doesnt fix your bug 09:02 Brooke doh 09:02 Brooke orphaned products ftl 09:03 rangi http://mako.cc/writing/hill-when_free_software_isnt_better.html <-- a very good read 09:04 magnuse oakivil, which system? 09:04 oakivil PallasPro 09:04 rangi the other thing with koha, you dont need to be on site to support it 09:05 oakivil I have been tinkering with their databases to try to map the relevant data for migration to okha and evergreen 09:05 * rangi has supported installs in europe from nz 09:06 * Brooke shivers. 09:06 Brooke time difference blech! 09:06 rangi actually works well 09:06 Brooke though I suppose if you keep it humming 09:06 Brooke not so bad 09:06 cait one failed qa 09:06 rangi report an issue, go to to sleep, and its fixed when you wake up 09:06 Brooke wot's that second bit? 09:07 rangi course, koha doesnt actually break much anyway :) 09:07 Brooke my server went out twice 09:07 cait no, koha is very stable 09:07 rangi still the one outage at HLT, in 11 years 09:07 Brooke once when the roomate yanked the plug to charge his mobile 09:07 Brooke and once when the power supply failed 09:07 Brooke neither were a Koha issue ;) 09:07 rangi and that was when the aircon guy dropped it on the floor 09:07 cait oh I remember that 09:07 rangi ive yet to see software that can stop that 09:08 Brooke clearly he didn't read the "Don't Mess WIth A Timelord" warning. 09:09 oakivil whats the deal with evergreen? 09:09 oakivil apart from the fact that I cannot run it in our intranet 09:09 rangi you are better off asking that in #evergreen, but its free software too 09:09 oakivil you guys must have a opinion 09:09 oakivil :D 09:10 rangi not a qualified one 09:10 Brooke my opinion is that evergreen or koha = much much better than most other crap 09:10 magnuse +1 09:10 rangi only someone who has installed/developed/used it could give you a decent opinion on evergreen 09:10 rangi but yeah, its free software so its already better than proprietary, not matter if it punches you in the face :-) 09:10 cait I always wanted to play with it... but koha keeps me busy enough :) 09:10 magnuse yay, it's orange! http://bugs.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/bug_status.pl 09:10 Brooke the Koha lads have been chippin' away at me "X proprietary system does a better job at Y" list. 09:11 rangi yay! 09:11 * Brooke cheers. 09:11 cait another 10 to my personal goal for today 09:11 cait I want to see a five or four there 09:11 rangi http://www.flickr.com/photos/ranginui/5788746066/in/photostream 09:11 cait 50 / 49... 09:11 cait should be more precise 09:11 Brooke I love how the cartoon Doctor has the floppy hair. 09:12 magnuse rangi: when is the next colour change again? 09:12 oakivil what licence does koha run under? 09:12 rangi gplv2 or later 09:12 rangi magnuse: 30 09:12 rangi to go green 09:12 Brooke there was much talk about shifting it to 3. 09:13 rangi well really agpl3 09:13 rangi its 3 now if anyway wants it to be, (the or later makes that easy) 09:13 rangi anyway = anyone 09:14 rangi if we ever get a contribution from a proprietary vendor 09:14 rangi i wouldnt accept it, unless it was gpl3 09:14 rangi to protect from their stupid patents 09:16 oakivil so how many active developers you have? 09:16 Brooke lots 09:16 oakivil 40 nicks hanging around 09:16 Brooke yeah, but not a dev 09:16 oakivil contributions from over 100 persons 09:16 oakivil yeah 09:16 Brooke so can't go by nick 09:16 cait last release had 63 iirc 09:16 cait speaking about 3.4 09:16 oakivil thats a lot 09:17 cait and almost 150 total now 09:17 rangi 65 diff people in 2011 09:18 rangi 144 in total 09:18 cait 66 09:18 cait hm 09:18 cait you can find some statistics here: http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/?s=3.4&x=0&y=0 :) 09:18 rangi thats a weird url 09:19 rangi ahh its a search 09:20 cait I had searched for the 3.4 post to verfiy my numbers 09:21 magnuse oakivil, there are some stats here too: https://www.ohloh.net/p/koha 09:21 cait and on git.koha-community.org 09:22 cait ah,it's missing 3.4 09:22 magnuse anyone still got firefox 3.5 or thereabouts hanging around? looks like it's needed to test bug 6291 09:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6291 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Cart printing truncated in Firefox 09:22 cait no :( 09:23 cait ah nice, one wrong status for bug 6280 09:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6280 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, colin.campbell, ASSIGNED , Invalid SQL being passed in circulation checkout 09:23 cait was already signed-off 09:25 magnuse yay 09:26 magnuse 59 09:26 cait yay 09:26 cait and still orange 09:26 rangi yeah it wont go green until 30 09:26 rangi hang on 09:26 rangi ill make it go yellow at 50 09:28 rangi right, its gonna go yellow at 50 09:29 magnuse cool 09:30 magnuse woohoo i rememberd to swith to english when a patch affecting templates looked like it didn't do anything ;-) 09:30 rangi :) 09:33 cait cool :) 09:33 cait hehe 09:33 cait easy to forget that 09:37 Oak my heroes! 09:37 * cait stops counting how many times she typed git bsz instead of git bz today 09:38 Brooke smells like an alias to me :P 09:39 oakivil Kuitenkin Kohan “GNU General Public License†(gplv2) pakottaa kaikki yhtiöt kehittämään samaa tuotetta ilman mahdollisuutta sotkea sekaan lisensoituja ohjelmistokomponentteja. 09:39 oakivil sorry copyastefailure 09:43 oakivil have you considered a central authorities server? 09:43 oakivil for ex Finland has a service for checking authorities 09:43 cait we basically have one 09:43 rangi library authorities? or authentication? 09:44 cait GKD, SWD and PND databases 09:44 oakivil i mean the author, 09:44 cait I am talking about authorities :) 09:44 oakivil authorized author names 09:44 oakivil for ex 09:44 cait we have one in our union catalog and libraries catalog there 09:44 cait we import all linked and used authorities into koha nightly 09:46 oakivil ok 09:47 cait it's a different model, not really a koha feature 09:48 cait union catalog is not using koha, different software 09:48 oakivil ok but it does nightly updates to koha so 09:48 oakivil anyway its doable 09:48 oakivil but its our problem here then 09:49 oakivil we can do that connection to our national authorities catalog no sweat 09:49 cait we use the bulkauthimport command line script and that seems to work well 09:49 oakivil ok 09:50 cait ah, to be correct, I think it changed to bulkmarcimport 09:50 cait which can also do authorities now 09:56 magnuse hm, unsure about bug 6483 - it works beautifully, but i'm not sure about how it looks and where things are placed... 09:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6483 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, salva, ASSIGNED , Paging in opac-detail when coming from a search 09:57 Oak later guys, time for class 09:59 cait have fun Oak :) 10:14 druthb o/ 10:15 Brooke 0/ 10:21 magnuse o/ 10:21 magnuse �/ 10:25 Brooke hehehee 10:32 * magnuse looks at Brooke with concern 10:33 druthb Hi, Magnus. :) 10:34 Brooke magnus: the laugh was for the wave 10:34 cait and all plz remember: today is global sign off day - claim a bug! :) 10:36 magnuse http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Global_sign_off_day,_2011-06-15#Claim_a_bug.21 10:44 cait ah magnuse,now you claimed 2! :) 10:45 magnuse yeah, they are related 10:45 magnuse so it makes sense to look at them together, i think 10:46 cait I agree, only teasing 10:47 magnuse :-) 10:57 magnuse 58 10:58 cait whohoo 11:07 * cait cait_afk 11:07 cait gonna meet with my mum, will be back a little later 11:15 magnuse 57 11:22 Brooke 0/ 11:22 Brooke Mums > Koha 12:30 cait back 12:40 * magnus_lunch too 12:47 oleonard How's the signing off going? 12:47 cait ah 12:47 cait I think we are making progress 12:47 cait check the wiki page :) 12:47 cait http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Global_sign_off_day,_2011-06-15#Claim_a_bug.21 12:47 cait and hi oleonard 12:49 cait 20 done 12:49 oleonard Lots of tough ones on that list. 12:51 cait yep 12:51 cait but a comment or asing for a test plan is also good 12:52 cait Claim a bug! :) 12:53 magnuse oleonard: a few more pairs of eyes on bug 6483 feels appropriate... ;-) 12:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6483 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, salva, ASSIGNED , Paging in opac-detail when coming from a search 12:53 magnuse 56 http://bugs.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/bug_status.pl 12:53 oleonard Yeah, I've got that on my list magnuse 12:53 oleonard I have a patch attached to Bug 5917 that could use a sign-off 12:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5917 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Switch Koha to use Template::Toolkit 12:54 oleonard Some random T:T fixes. 12:56 * oleonard wonders if he's still here 12:57 oleonard Oh good. Connection dropped out there for a minute. 13:01 cait velcro? :) 13:03 oleonard I think a bad update to a network driver 13:03 oleonard I was fighting with it all day yesterday 13:03 cait you know... could be worse 13:04 * cait won the battle with the blinking grub> line 13:05 oleonard Moving my chat session to the laptop with the good connection 13:06 cait when we sign off another six... we will get yellow! 13:14 cait new color for does not apply? 13:15 oakivil hmm is koha z39.50 configured to use port 210 as outbound? 13:15 oakivil by default 13:15 cait used silver 13:15 cait no 13:15 cait you can configure the port 13:15 oakivil LOC recommends 210 13:15 cait administration > z39.50 targets 13:15 cait ah 13:15 cait koha 13:15 cait not sure 13:16 sekjal hey, all, I can't stay long (meetings), but I wanted to thank everyone working on the signoffs today. I'll try to make sure those are pushed through QA as quickly as I can 13:16 cait sorry, thought about z39.50 download 13:16 cait but I think you should be able to configure that too 13:16 oakivil well using z39.50 13:16 cait sekjal++ :) 13:16 oakivil koha tries to read the LOC catalog 13:17 cait oakivil: sorry, got confused 13:17 cait you want to download a record from an external source? 13:17 oakivil yes 13:17 cait or you want your koha installation to act as z39.50 server? 13:17 cait ok 13:17 oakivil atleast the core to modify for our lib needs 13:17 oakivil download from external server 13:17 cait 210 might be recommended, but in my experience a lot of different ports are used 13:17 oakivil so i can set it up from admin controls 13:18 cait you can configure the used port for each target, when you are behind a firewall you might need to change something there so that it works 13:19 magnuse oakivil, you configure it on a per-server basis in Administration � Z39.50 Servers 13:19 oakivil yeah 13:19 oakivil now i need to open all those ports on my firewall 13:19 oakivil LOC uses 7090 13:20 cait you can only open it for that server perhaps? 13:20 oakivil yes outbound 13:20 oakivil but what ithe inbound address 13:20 magnuse when koha is used as a z39.50 server? 13:21 magnuse you configure that when you run "perl Makefile.PL" 13:21 magnuse 9998 or 9999 is suggested as the default, i think 13:21 oakivil i chose default for everything 13:21 oakivil damn 13:29 magnuse 54 13:33 cait yay 13:36 oakivil well well Z39.50 works like a charm :D 13:37 cait :) 13:37 oakivil is k007 13:37 cait oleonard: could you take a look at 6133 later? 13:38 cait k007? 13:38 cait oleonard: I looked at it during hackfest in marseille, but was not sure if it's a good idea or not 13:39 cait 53 13:39 cait 3 more until yellow! 13:42 oakivil k007 as good! 13:42 oakivil its kewl 13:42 oakivil no more no less 13:42 magnuse bug 6133 13:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6133 trivial, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , Authorised values administration, warn for modifs 13:43 cait ah k007 13:48 cait hm, not it gets hard to claimone 13:58 oleonard cait: What was the question about bug 6133? 13:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6133 trivial, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , Authorised values administration, warn for modifs 13:58 cait what do you think about adding that warn? 14:00 magnuse 52 14:00 oleonard The patch doesn't apply for me 14:01 cait ah 14:01 cait loooking at it - needs reformatting 14:02 cait probably pre TT 14:06 oleonard Hi mcleary 14:06 mcleary Good day everyone. I am looking for a little help on exporting MARC records from winnebago spectrum to Koha. I have been able to export records and get them into Koha, but i am having issues with the barcodes 14:08 mcleary The exports are only showing the shortened barcode. We would like to preserve the barcodes into the new system. Does anyone know how, or where to get an materials list with the full barcode? 14:08 cait sorry, I don't know winnebago 14:08 cait perhaps write to the list - more people reading there 14:09 oleonard mcleary: So the export from winnebago has the incomplete barcode? 14:09 wizzyrea ah mcleary let me ask some people 14:09 cait hi wizzyrea :) 14:09 cait want to claim a bug? ;) 14:10 mcleary correct. the exports are only showing between 5 and 6 digits of the 14 characters 14:10 wizzyrea what's the link for the query to see 14:10 talljoy mcleary: I'd be interested in this also. I may be doing a winnebago export soon. 14:10 mcleary when I run a barcode label print job, the full barcode is listed. It is not listed on any of the reports though 14:10 wizzyrea the extra digits are checksums + prefixes 14:11 wizzyrea the checksums can probably be calculated 14:11 wizzyrea unfortunately, our previous vendor did that manipulation for us when we had that problem 14:11 wizzyrea so we don't know what they did 14:11 wizzyrea :( 14:11 wizzyrea but I know it *can* be reverse engineered 14:11 mcleary I have no done any direct queries on Winnebego. I am not sure how. 14:12 wizzyrea mcleary: that was all for you 14:12 mcleary I was looking to do some brute force on the data files themselves, but have yet to find a reliable method of reverse engineering 14:14 mcleary Does anyone know the database type of spectrum. I keep circling back to either dbase or foxpro, but have not had much luck 14:14 wizzyrea I think it's proprietary :( 14:14 wizzyrea mcleary: we had that exact problem with one of our libraries 14:14 wizzyrea my coworker is looking something up quickly 14:15 wizzyrea http://www.den4b.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=930 14:15 mcleary wonderful. any help I can get I am grateful for. 14:15 wizzyrea http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1136642/ean-8-how-to-calculate-checksum-digit 14:16 wizzyrea it looks like if you know the format of the barcode you can probably locate the checkdigit computing algorithm 14:16 wizzyrea 1. extract barcodes. 2. apply prefixes. 3. run algorithm. 4. recreate final barcode 14:16 wizzyrea http://www.morovia.com/education/utility/upc-ean.asp 14:16 wizzyrea might help you as well 14:17 wizzyrea if you know the symbology 14:17 oleonard proprietary-- 14:18 mcleary most of this is completely alien to me. I am a systems administrator assisting with the migration of for different ILS systems into one cooperative system 14:18 wizzyrea sounds familiar :) 14:18 mcleary Once I get the Winnebego going, I still have 3 other to figure out 14:18 wizzyrea which? 14:18 wahanui hmmm... which is helpful too 14:19 wizzyrea forget which 14:19 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot which 14:19 wizzyrea which is <reply> 14:20 wizzyrea http://www.morovia.com/bulk-check-digit-calculation/index.php 14:20 wizzyrea in case you missed that link at the top of the page 14:20 wizzyrea it's a bulk check digit calculator 14:21 mcleary I believe that one of them is the same as the spectrum just a different version. infocenter is also one 14:22 wizzyrea anyway, hope that helps 14:23 oleonard wizzyrea++ 14:26 wizzyrea hm, winnebago seems to use Code 39 (possibly) so this calculator might be better: 14:26 wizzyrea http://www.dlsoft.com/services/CheckCalc/ 14:27 wizzyrea and if you're super nerdy, here are the calc methods for most barcodes: http://www4.infoprintsolutionscompany.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.ibm.printers.afpproducts/com.ibm.printers.ppfaug/ib6p8mst334.htm 14:28 wizzyrea and a video! 14:28 wahanui a video is probably probably from rangi's hill 14:28 wizzyrea http://idautomation.blogspot.com/2011/02/how-to-create-code-39-mod-43-check.html 14:28 wizzyrea forget a video 14:28 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot video 14:29 * oleonard would hate to see wizzyrea's memory-editing power used on himself 14:30 wizzyrea lol 14:30 Agent_Dani Are you sure it hasn't already been used on you? 14:30 oleonard No, I'm sure I would remember... Uh oh. 14:30 wizzyrea oleonard: forget everything dumb wizzyrea has ever done 14:31 wizzyrea >.> 14:31 cait not much to forget then :) 14:31 wizzyrea ha 14:31 wizzyrea oy 14:31 oleonard mybrainsql returned an empty set 14:31 wizzyrea lol 14:32 magnuse 50 http://bugs.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/bug_status.pl - it's yellow! - woohoo 14:32 cait YELLOOOOOW! 14:32 wizzyrea magnuse: whats the link to the query to get the bugs awaiting sign off? 14:32 * wizzyrea is so lazy 14:33 oleonard They've got it on the wiki now for easy reference 14:33 cait yep 14:33 cait lots of useful stuff on the global sign off day page 14:33 cait magnuse++ 14:34 oleonard http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Global_sign_off_day,_2011-06-15 14:34 magnuse http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&field0-0-0=cf_patch_status&query_format=advanced&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=needs%20signoff&order=bug_id&list_id=7042 14:34 wizzyrea global sign off day is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Global_sign_off_day,_2011-06-15 14:34 wizzyrea ty everybody 14:34 wizzyrea we oughta just do it every month 14:34 cait yep 14:34 magnuse yeah, if people are willing to take the time... 14:35 magnuse biblibre are setting aside half a day every other week! 14:35 paul_p @magnus++ 14:35 huginn paul_p: downloading the Perl source 14:35 paul_p magnuse++ 14:35 paul_p cait++ 14:35 cait hi paul_p 14:35 paul_p (for signing things, of marking doesn't apply or failed QA) 14:36 paul_p hi paul_p & cait 14:36 paul_p magnuse? 14:36 wahanui i heard magnuse was afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza. 14:36 paul_p paul_p? 14:36 wahanui i guess paul_p is the bot 14:36 paul_p wahanui, forget paul_p 14:36 wahanui paul_p: I forgot paul_p 14:36 magnuse huh? 14:36 * paul_p querying wahanui to understand why he says "dl the perl source" ;-) 14:37 wizzyrea because you said @magnuse 14:37 wizzyrea is why 14:37 wizzyrea hi atz :) 14:37 magnuse paul_p: maybe biblibre can sign off on the CAS stuff? that's 3 bugs right there... 14:37 cait hope we can get the numbers down more 14:37 cait next goal: 45 14:37 cait there is a lot of unimarc stuff too 14:38 magnuse we can do it! (but i have to go make dinner soon ;-) 14:38 cait I tried the plugins (have loaded UNIMARC framework) - but they needed rebasing 14:39 cait my guest will arrive soon 14:39 magnuse nengard and wizzyrea: i challenge you to look at bug 6483 and give an opinion (there are screenshots ;-) 14:39 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6483 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, salva, ASSIGNED , Paging in opac-detail when coming from a search 14:40 magnuse it has quite a big impact on how the detail page in the opac looks... 14:41 nengard magnuse i would recommend that the back button be towards the top (and at the bottom if we want it in two places ... but it should be at thet op 14:41 nengard at the top 14:42 magnuse at the top of what? 14:42 nengard of the page 14:42 nengard above the bib detail 14:42 nengard if the bib had 30 items you'll never see that button :) 14:42 nengard most patrons won't scroll that far to see it 14:42 wizzyrea I like the idea, did he fix the deal with the ugly url? 14:43 nengard the pagination and the results on the bib detail can be at the bottom since that takes up a lot of space 14:43 magnuse ugly urls are gone! 14:43 nengard woo hoo 14:43 wizzyrea ^^ agree with what she says 14:43 cait I like it at the top because it will not move around 14:43 wizzyrea I think prev/next should be at top and bottom 14:43 cait so you don't have to move the mouse to page through 14:43 wizzyrea or just top, and pagination at the bottom 14:43 wizzyrea yes, that is also a good point, cait 14:43 wizzyrea they should be in a static location 14:43 wizzyrea that never moves as you page through 14:44 wizzyrea nothing more annoying than a hopping next button 14:44 magnuse that's why i would like to have it in the right hand column, in a grey box... 14:44 * oleonard tries to find an example of how another system does it, finds a system using frames >:P 14:44 oleonard wizzyrea: That's why I thought having it in the sidebar would be good 14:44 magnuse yeah, let's use frames! that is soooo coool! 14:44 oleonard http://catalog.columbuslibrary.org/?q=blue 14:45 magnuse s/right hand column/sidebar/ 14:45 nengard oh dear - do not copy aquabrowser 14:46 magnuse hehe 14:46 * cait looks at magnuse 14:47 * magnuse hides 14:47 cait are you ok? 14:47 oleonard Anyone know any other systems that have this feature to see how they do it? 14:47 magnuse need a break soon, i think ;-) 14:47 oleonard Worldcat has a "return to search" link but not back and next links 14:49 cait I really like the idea - I was asked about those buttons 14:49 oleonard Not that big of a win to find that Horizon doesn't do it. 14:49 nengard I don't know of any others with the next and previous on the detailed display 14:49 nengard but i do like the way worldcat does next and previous on the search results 14:49 nengard it's clean 14:49 nengard and their back to results link is clean as well 14:50 nengard easy to find and not in your face 14:50 nengard i like 14:50 cait oleonard: depends on the horizon you look at 14:50 cait https://webpac4.bsz-bw.de/WP.fw.html 14:50 cait and yes, it's using frames 14:50 magnuse evergreen: http://75.101.133.94/opac/en-US/skin/default/xml/rresult.xml?rt=keyword&tp=keyword&t=blue&ft=&l=1&d=0&f= has "Start � � End" (at least sometimes...) 14:53 magnuse where � and � are back and forward, respectively 14:56 magnuse the developer for the paging is really responsive to wishes, so it would be really good if "we, the community" could give him some clear wishes for where we want things placed 14:56 magnuse it seems a shame to leave him hanging... 14:56 magnuse can we agree on something? 14:56 magnuse put everything in a box in the sidebar? 14:57 cait I like a static position always visible - to above or beside the record 14:57 magnuse +1 14:57 cait and perhaps we can use symbols? 14:57 cait like arrow 14:57 cait s 14:57 magnuse that seemed to be the consensus, rather than having it below the items 14:57 rhcl_away http://catalog.columbuslibrary.org/?q=blue <-- interesting thingie on the left side 14:58 magnuse and the list of "neighbours" pops up when you click on "..." so having that above the items/record would be weird 14:58 magnuse which leaves the sidebar, in my opinion 14:59 magnuse rhcl_away: aqua browser thingy, i think? 14:59 cait oleonard++ 15:00 cait becaues for one more time I see how nice looking koha's opac is 15:00 magnuse yay! 15:00 wizzyrea sidebar++ 15:00 wizzyrea that's fine by me 15:00 wizzyrea as long as they don't move 15:00 wizzyrea page to page 15:00 wizzyrea afk 15:01 magnuse ok, unless i hear objections within 20 seconds i will recommend the sidebar in a comment on the bug ;-) 15:01 magnuse yeah, the "not move" point is an important one 15:01 rhcl_away the relationships graph 15:01 cait hm the plac ehold links might move things around a little 15:01 cait because we hide that sometimes 15:02 oleonard magnuse: How will your recommendation differ from the current state of it? 15:02 nengard I actually like the top left as a place for the back to results link 15:02 nengard it's where i always look for something going 'back' 15:03 nengard magnuse i did disagree .... 15:03 nengard [11:06] <nengard> I actually like the top left as a place for the back to results link 15:03 nengard [11:06] <nengard> it's where i always look for something going 'back' 15:03 nengard but if i'm in the minority then that's fine 15:03 magnuse oleonard, well i sort of said "let's have more people telling what they want/like" 15:04 magnuse and i don't want him to have to wait indefinetly for opinions 15:04 magnuse so i thought i'd say "we talked about it on irc and concluded that..." 15:05 magnuse nengard: yeah, noted. wanna comment on the bug? 15:05 nengard yeah i will 15:05 magnuse cool 15:06 magnuse if y'all do that i'll refrain, i just want to move this along... 15:07 oleonard nengard: What about having it at the top of the sidebar rather than in the middle? 15:08 nengard then it's on the right, not the left of the screen - and if you look at all browsers the back button in the browser is in the top left and so that's where most people look for a way to go 'back' to something 15:08 nengard that's my logic 15:08 wizzyrea it's the same on the iPhone interface (but not on android): back is always at top left 15:09 wizzyrea android gives a handy button that is always there to go back 15:09 magnuse actually there is a separate bug that introduces just a "back to search" button 15:09 reiveune bye 15:10 oleonard The trouble with using the "back" convention is that we're talking about back /and/ next 15:10 wizzyrea back at top left, next at top right? 15:10 oleonard I think we're in a situation where we'll depend on habituation rather than expectation 15:10 wizzyrea hmm you could be right 15:11 wizzyrea ie people will get used to it wherever it is 15:11 wizzyrea so just stick it and leave it? 15:11 cait I am not sure another menu bar / links doing someting is good - would prefersticking to things and places we have already established 15:11 nengard why do the two have to be together? 15:11 nengard put the next/prev in the column on the right 15:11 nengard and the back on the top left 15:11 oleonard I think they'll get lost that way 15:12 nengard k 15:12 nengard like i said if i'm in the minority i understand 15:12 nengard it's a good feature, we should get it in 15:14 wizzyrea this might be an outrage: go ahead and get it in, and let owen take a crack at it after that? 15:15 wizzyrea a la revision? 15:15 * wizzyrea considers that maybe owen doesn't want to do that 15:15 nengard keep loosing my connection - need to fix the router - will probably disconnect me - be back soon 15:15 * oleonard is preparing a screenshot 15:15 wizzyrea ha 15:15 wizzyrea <3 15:16 wizzyrea or he could submit a new patch with his suggested changes ^.^ 15:18 oleonard http://www.screencast.com/t/JncBwP3M9 15:18 cait <§ 15:18 cait <3 15:18 cait sorry 15:18 wizzyrea love it 15:18 cait wanted to say I love it 15:19 wizzyrea nengard: http://www.screencast.com/t/JncBwP3M9 15:19 oleonard nengard: http://www.screencast.com/t/JncBwP3M9 15:19 wizzyrea ha! 15:19 nengard nice 15:19 nengard my connection is WAY slow and I can't get it up to speed .... bleh 15:19 wizzyrea I like that very much 15:19 cait ah 15:19 cait I think there is something missing, this feature to show all on the same page? 15:19 nengard what would it look like if it's expanded like that second picture on the bug 15:19 cait or is that something different? 15:19 magnuse yeah, that looks good to me 15:20 magnuse good point, cait 15:20 oleonard Yeah, my screenshot doesn't address that feature 15:20 wizzyrea but that, there 15:20 oleonard I wonder if a centered modal window isn't appropriate for that? 15:20 wizzyrea I like much 15:20 cait model window? 15:20 cait modal? 15:21 wizzyrea http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modal_window 15:21 wizzyrea like a drop down overlay type thing? 15:22 * wizzyrea imagines owen furiously coding 15:22 magnuse hehe 15:22 oleonard http://dev.iceburg.net/jquery/jqModal/#examples 15:22 oleonard That's a little more than I can do editing the source in Firebug ;) 15:23 oleonard jqModal is a plugin I've used before for this kind of thing. I'd like to have a standard way in Koha to handle that kind of interaction, so I wouldn't mind introducing it as a new dependency 15:24 magnuse cool 15:25 oleonard I guess jQueryUI has a version of this too 15:25 oleonard http://jqueryui.com/demos/dialog/#modal-message 15:27 oleonard My vote: move the links as I suggested in my screenshot, leave the rest as is. Iterate later. 15:28 wizzyrea ^^ 15:28 wizzyrea +1 to that 15:28 magnuse what about the list thing? have that in the sidebar? 15:28 wizzyrea leave it as is, fix it later 15:28 magnuse or below the items, as is? 15:29 oleonard I say leave it below the items for now 15:29 magnuse ok, cool 15:29 magnuse care to add that to the bug, and upload the screenshot? 15:29 cait but it's only ...? 15:29 oleonard Sure 15:29 magnuse way cool! 15:30 oleonard cait: Good point, that could be improved too 15:31 magnuse thanks for weighing in on this folks, and sorry for my nagging - you are the bestest! 15:32 cait and 49 :) 15:32 magnuse it's dinnertime, but i may be back later - and hope to see an even lower number then ;-) 15:32 magnuse @wunder boo 15:32 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 16.0�C (5:20 PM CEST on June 15, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). 15:32 cait yep 15:32 cait europe is tired, next shift should take over 15:38 cait big silence? :) 15:38 wizzyrea nah 15:39 wizzyrea i just discovered that my dev install hasn't indexed. switching to my small dev install db and reindexing that 15:39 wizzyrea then i will get on it. :) 15:40 cait wizzyrea++ :) 15:59 wizzyrea great, small db all set :) 16:00 cait :) 16:07 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6150] UNIMARC field 225 plugin: allow $a value data entry <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6150> 16:08 wizzyrea cait: on bug 5379 did you mean to sign off on that 16:08 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5379 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, cnighswonger, ASSIGNED , import_borrowers.pl fails with db insert/update errors 16:08 wizzyrea it looks like, according to your comment, you maybe meant to? 16:08 wizzyrea or are you suggesting further patches to the help file? 16:09 cait yeah 16:09 cait I suggested a follow up 16:09 cait it worked nicely but I thought the docs needed to be changed 16:10 cait and now it might not apply any longer :( 16:12 wizzyrea k i'll check to see if it applies 16:15 wizzyrea well hm 16:15 wizzyrea how do you check that if you're pulling from a remote branch? 16:16 wizzyrea i suspect I'm going to learn a lot about git today 16:16 cait oh 16:16 cait I think you might need to rebase 16:16 wizzyrea aha 16:16 wizzyrea something like rebase -i -s3 origin 16:16 wizzyrea ? 16:17 wizzyrea git rebase, of course :P 16:19 cait I think just git rebase master/origin 16:20 wizzyrea yup it works, still applies --- or at least the rebase came back no errors 16:20 * wizzyrea grabs the test csv 16:20 cait cool! 16:42 Oak hello my dear ones 16:42 Oak what's the counter 16:43 wizzyrea 50 16:43 wizzyrea http://bugs.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/bug_status.pl 16:43 cait we were down to 49 16:44 Oak good good 16:44 oleonard That page needs some style. The number should be giant. 16:45 Oak i can style that... if you need 16:45 cait :) 16:45 cait I think the idea was to embed it somewhere 16:45 Oak using some font from http://www.google.com/webfonts 16:45 cait but we didn't manageto embed it into the wiki yet 16:45 Oak ah 16:45 Oak dinner is on the table... be back in 15 16:46 cait oh dinner.. 16:46 wahanui dinner is probably a good keyword 16:50 cait pho? 16:51 wizzyrea lol 16:51 wizzyrea forget dinner 16:51 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot dinner 16:51 wizzyrea silly 16:51 wizzyrea @botsnack cookie 16:51 huginn wizzyrea: I suck 16:51 wizzyrea botsnack cookie 16:51 wizzyrea meh 16:51 wizzyrea my bot whispering skills don't extend to cookies, apparently 16:52 cait wahanui botsnack schokokeks 16:52 wahanui thanks cait :) 16:52 wizzyrea thx cait :) 16:53 wizzyrea right that should be down to 49 16:53 cait yay :) 16:54 wizzyrea cait, that SIP stuff... I don't have a non-production sip machine to test it with :( 16:57 ricmarques Hi all... I'm going a bit nuts here with "git". Does anyone know why "git log existing_file" is returning no output, instead of the log of that file? "git log" works. Running Debian 6.0.1 ("Squeeze") 16:57 cait yeah, I have no idea how to do that 16:58 cait I think sekjal has something? 17:08 ricmarques Never mind, I got it... I was doing " git log blib/PERL_MODULE_DIR/C4/SIP/ILS.pm" (doesn't work) instead of "git log C4/SIP/ILS.pm" (works!) 17:14 cait Claim a bug for global sign off day! http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Global_sign_off_day,_2011-06-15#What 17:16 cait ;) 17:17 Oak save some bugs for next sign-off day okay 17:18 cait we will hve new bugs until then - no worry 17:18 Oak oh good 17:18 Oak or not good? maybe 17:18 wizzyrea bugs happen, fixing them is the challenge ;) 17:18 wizzyrea afk lunch 17:22 ricmarques I believe we have 2 new quips for Koha's Bugzilla: "<Oak> save some bugs for next sign-off day okay" and "<cait> we will hve new bugs until then - no worry" ;-) 17:23 Oak :D 17:25 ricmarques Quips added :) 17:29 * Oak goes to see the lunar eclipse 17:30 cait :) 17:30 Oak yup :) going now... after that smiley 17:30 cait :) 17:30 cait hope you have a good view 17:32 Oak thanks! now really really leaving 17:43 Oak uh oh, i don't see any change in the moon's shape 17:43 Oak will try agin in half hour 17:45 magnuse back, but not for long... 17:47 ricmarques "Invalid command 'RewriteEngine'" .... here we go again :( 17:49 ricmarques "# a2enmod rewrite" solved it (Oh... the joys of Apache Configuration in Debian!) 17:49 magnuse yay! 17:50 ricmarques magnuse: :) 17:54 ricmarques "Welcome to the Koha Web Installer".... Now, that's more like it! :) 17:54 magnuse woohoo 18:10 magnuse keep those sign offs coming, folks! still 16 hours left of the day (in hawaii)! 18:23 ricmarques Gotta go... Take care, ppl! :) 18:25 wizzyrea soo what do we do with the ones that are "needs sign off" but are dependent on other bugs that have failed qa? 18:25 wizzyrea such as bug 5871 18:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5871 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , CSS changes for OPAC 18:26 wizzyrea should they change status to something else? 18:26 wizzyrea do we need a new status "waiting on dependency" 18:26 oleonard Maybe for the wiki listing at least 18:27 wizzyrea or... mark as failed with a note that it's waiting on it's dependency? 18:27 wizzyrea does not apply might be better 18:27 wizzyrea (cuz it doesn't, until the dependency does) 18:36 slef moo 18:39 cait hi slef 18:41 wizzyrea cait: bug 5877 -- does that db table referenced come from some other patch? 18:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5877 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , Offline circulation improvements : upload all files, apply at once 18:41 cait it seems not 18:41 wizzyrea because i've just marked it failed on the same grounds 18:41 cait ok 18:41 cait should have done that 18:41 wizzyrea as you did - I tried to use it but the db table it's asking for apparently doesn't exist? 18:42 wizzyrea all good :) 18:42 wizzyrea maybe I'm missing something. 18:43 cait yeah, paul_p will tell us :) 19:22 talljoy I'm working on zebra for my new install (Koha 3.4.1) on Debian 6. I am getting this error when trying to reindex: 19:22 talljoy Can't locate C4/Context.pm in @INC (@INC contains: usr/share/koha/lib /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at koha-3.4.1/misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl line 6. 19:22 talljoy BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at koha-3.4.1/misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl line 6. 19:22 wizzyrea export PERL5LIB = /home/koha/kohaclone and 19:23 wizzyrea export KOHA_CONF=/home/koha/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml 19:23 wizzyrea then try again? 19:23 * library_systems_guy agrees with wizzyrea 19:23 wizzyrea uh, your path may vary depending on which user you installed koha in 19:24 wizzyrea and whether you are using a dev install or not 19:24 talljoy not a dev install. just the standard install 19:24 wizzyrea ah ok 19:24 wizzyrea then probably... 19:25 wizzyrea 170 Example (for standard install): 19:25 wizzyrea 171 $ export KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/koha-conf.xml 19:25 wizzyrea 172 $ export PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib 19:25 wizzyrea 173 19:26 talljoy that's what I had done. and I got the error 19:26 wizzyrea hm, what are you typing to try and reindex? 19:27 talljoy as root user.... koha-3.4.1/misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -z -b -a 19:27 wizzyrea ah, did you run the export as your root user too? 19:28 talljoy hmmm....don't think i did an export... 19:28 wizzyrea run the two exports as root and try again 19:29 talljoy oh, you mean the export of path. yes i did those as root 19:29 wizzyrea ah 19:29 wizzyrea and you say your path is in a koha-3.4.1 19:29 talljoy yup 19:29 wizzyrea what's above koha-3.4.1 19:29 talljoy nothing 19:29 wizzyrea or is it at the root of the drive 19:29 talljoy ls 19:29 wizzyrea AH 19:29 wizzyrea AHA 19:29 wizzyrea so instead of the regular paths 19:29 talljoy do tell...what did i do? 19:29 wizzyrea 1mo 19:30 wizzyrea can you ls /usr/share/koha/lib? 19:30 wizzyrea do you get anything there? 19:31 wizzyrea um, no question mark at the end heh 19:31 talljoy C4 19:31 wizzyrea hmm 19:32 talljoy exactly. 19:33 library_systems_guy isn't that where C4 is supposed to be on a prod install? 19:37 wizzyrea yep 19:38 * talljoy scratches head... 19:43 * wizzyrea is thinking about this problem 19:43 wizzyrea oh 19:43 wizzyrea in your error 19:43 wizzyrea it says 19:44 wizzyrea (@INC contains: usr/share/koha/lib 19:44 wizzyrea I think you need a / on the front of that usr 19:44 wizzyrea so export PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib 19:44 talljoy let me try. (I always forget those ; in SQL statements too) 19:46 talljoy i ran it and got no error. just went to the next comman line. let me see inside catalog if data exists now.. 19:46 * wizzyrea cheers 19:48 talljoy still not data in koha though... 19:48 wizzyrea add a -v to that index job 19:48 wizzyrea and it'll tell you more 19:49 talljoy oh hmm.. 0 records exported. 19:49 talljoy might have something to do with it. lol 19:49 wizzyrea ooo 19:49 wizzyrea :) 19:49 wizzyrea maybe 19:50 talljoy thought i had installed test data in install. 19:50 talljoy hmmmm 19:50 wizzyrea well you can do a query in mysql to see 19:50 wizzyrea select count(*) from biblio would tell you how many biblios it thinks you should have 19:51 talljoy i'll try to remember the ';' 19:51 wizzyrea :) 19:53 talljoy count of 0 19:53 talljoy sigh 19:54 wizzyrea there you have it, it appears you have no bibs. BUT 19:54 wizzyrea you can index it once you do have bibs! 19:54 wizzyrea so that's a win 19:54 talljoy LOL 19:54 talljoy all in the attitude. 19:54 talljoy i've got another error that I think is related to debian 6 19:55 wizzyrea ah, ok go 19:55 talljoy update-rc.d koha-zebra-daemon defaults 19:55 talljoy update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing 19:55 talljoy insserv: warning: script 'koha-zebra-daemon' missing LSB tags and overrides 19:55 talljoy the first is the command i ran 19:55 talljoy the last two are the error messages. 19:56 wizzyrea well a warning anywa 19:56 wizzyrea y 19:56 wizzyrea ps ax | grep zebra 19:56 wizzyrea does that give you any results? 19:56 talljoy 24703 pts/0 S+ 0:00 grep zebra 19:57 wizzyrea oh have you actually started the daemon? 19:57 wizzyrea der 19:57 wizzyrea (me, not you) 19:57 wizzyrea that last command tells it to start at boot time 19:57 talljoy yes, i wasn't sure a warning was enough to stop me. :-) 20:01 talljoy on to cron jobs. (no errors to report yet ;-) ) 20:54 wizzyrea hi nate :) 22:22 slef yeehah 22:26 * slef starts installing a development koha for signing off... better late than never 22:31 cait hi #koha :) 22:33 Space_Librarian hey cait 22:33 Space_Librarian You're up late 22:38 eythian hi cait 22:40 cait good night #koha 22:40 cait wizzyrea++ 22:40 cait magnuse++ : 23:02 pianohacker Hi 23:09 slef hi pianohacker ! 23:09 pianohacker hey slef 23:09 pianohacker how's it going? 23:13 slef @query yaz4 23:13 huginn slef: No results for "yaz4." 23:13 slef pianohacker: not too bad. Finally have our new research machine up. 23:14 pianohacker Research machine? 23:14 slef anyone know if we actually need yaz3 rather than yaz4? 23:14 slef @query libyaz3 23:14 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5468 minor, P5, ---, robin, NEW , libyaz3 debian dependency 23:15 jransom Morena all 23:15 slef hi jransom 23:16 eythian slef: I think yaz4 is fine, so far as I remember 23:16 * eythian checks to see what I run 23:16 slef hrm, there's a install_misc/apt-get-debian-lenny.sh but no install_misc/apt-get-debian-squeeze.sh... not that running random sh as root is a good thing anyway 23:16 jransom heya 23:16 * eythian changes person in the middle of my comment 23:16 Brooke kia ora 23:16 jransom tena koe 23:16 eythian jransom: g'day 23:17 pianohacker slef: dpkg --set-selections < whatever_file_it_is_these_days; sudo apt-get dselect-upgrade ? 23:17 pianohacker hi brooke, ransom, eythian 23:17 slef pianohacker: yeah, that was what's in my local notes, disagrees with INSTALL.debian 23:17 eythian slef: our stuff runs libyaz4 23:17 slef eythian: thanks 23:17 pianohacker slef: install.debian is wrong on that point, afaik 23:17 slef INSTALL.debian is probably going to get patched to within an inch of its life when I get a mo 23:20 pianohacker slef++ 23:20 pianohacker preemptive karma :) 23:21 slef I think I've just seen another hack which will simplify it further. 23:22 slef sudo aptitude install $(perl debian/list-deps) 23:23 slef dang, that won't work quite like that 23:23 slef but you get the idea 23:23 eythian that won't work because there are a couple that aren't in debian 23:24 eythian I've put those in the koha repos though, and pushed them into debian squeeze+1 23:24 slef eythian: yeah, debian/list-deps should put missing errors on stderr not stdout 23:25 slef eythian: no, I can't remember the next codename either :) 23:25 eythian I think that perhaps it should put them on stdout and stderr, that way the build will break if you don't notice the stderr message, which is what you want 23:31 Brooke oh eythian, you're looking good mate, and I've not even had a beer. 23:31 Brooke ease of installation ++ 23:31 Brooke eythian++ 23:31 eythian Brooke: are you playing with the packages? 23:33 pianohacker rangi: around?