IRC log for #koha, 2011-06-08

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02:03 rangi bon hour hdl
02:03 hdl hi rangi
02:03 wizzyrea hi hdl :)
02:04 hdl hi wizzyrea and all
02:04 rangi is there a way to say
02:05 rangi bon its too early to be awake time ;-)
02:07 chris_n heya hdl, wizzrea
02:07 chris_n and atz, even
02:08 chris_n ok, time for shuteye
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02:27 jenkins_koha Starting build 284 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
02:30 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6472: HidePatronName on detail page broken <[…]0b9bb28684059563d>
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03:10 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #284: SUCCESS in 42 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/284/
03:10 jenkins_koha Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6472: HidePatronName on detail page broken
03:10 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6472 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, NEW , HidePatronName no longer works as stated
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03:41 rangi hmmm
03:41 rangi self check module for koha that works without a cardnumber
03:41 rangi how the heck would you do that
03:44 chilts magic?
03:44 * chilts helps
03:44 rangi heh
03:45 rangi i know how to do it for the special case, the library that wants it, use private certs to authenticate to koha
03:45 rangi so it knows who they are already, if they are using their own machine
03:46 rangi but on a machine anyone can use, i guess would have to resort to email address or something else unique
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03:46 rangi bored cait
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04:00 * cait waves
04:00 rangi heya cait
04:01 cait evening rangi
04:09 eythian Hi cait
04:09 cait germs?
04:10 cait hm only checking
04:10 cait hi eythian ;)
04:10 eythian wahanui: germs?
04:10 wahanui bugger all, i dunno, eythian
04:10 eythian hmm
04:10 eythian someone's been bad to the poor bot
04:11 * cait looks at eythian
04:12 eythian Hmm, it looks like you were involved.
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04:14 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6482] koha-create makes assumptions about the mysql username <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6482>
04:14 cait didn't make him forget
04:14 Oak \o
04:14 cait hi Oak :)
04:14 eythian cait: that's not what I said :)
04:14 Oak hello cait, :) up early
04:18 rangi cait: did you see the email from beda?
04:18 cait writing him back in german right now
04:18 cait perhaps syntax problems in the po files?
04:18 rangi thank you
04:18 rangi if you figure it out, please be sure to mail the list so others dont run into it too
04:18 rangi cait++
04:19 cait can't do a lot from here
04:19 rangi *nod*
04:19 eythian guess you need a trip to Switzerland then :)
04:19 cait suggesting that he downloads new files from pootle
04:19 eythian actually, no. I'll go instead :)
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04:19 Amit_Gupta heya chris
04:19 cait and if that does not help checking the files with poedit for errors
04:19 Amit_Gupta heya cait ;)
04:19 Amit_Gupta good morning
04:19 cait hi Amit_Gupta
04:19 Oak cait++
04:19 rangi yep
04:20 cait eythian: there is a swiss company here handing out chocolate in form of swiss knives
04:20 cait yum :)
04:20 eythian I don't know if you could bring that back here. a) chocolate, b) knives :)
04:23 cait ah, chocolate was easy
04:23 eythian yeah, it would be :)
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04:33 druthb o/
04:33 rangi hey there birthday girl
04:33 druthb :D
04:33 druthb Hi, rangi.  :)
04:34 cait happy birthday ruth!
04:34 Space_Librarian Hey hey, Happy Birthday!
04:35 Oak Happy Birthday druthb ! may you have many more...
04:36 druthb :)  Thanks friends.
04:36 Oak family! sort of.
04:46 cait Oak++
04:47 * druthb blushes a lil.
04:57 rangi hometime
04:57 * cait starts humming happy birthday
04:57 rangi bbl
04:58 * Oak notes 8 June as druthb's birthday
05:00 Oak mine is 21st March so you guys better remember that, okay.
05:06 cait hehe
05:06 cait 2nd march
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05:11 Oak_ uh oh, electricity was out for few minutes
05:11 cait rangi: beda wrote back, he fixed some problems in the po file - probably that was the problem
05:11 Oak_ cait, :) yours I don't have to note... I think I'll remember that :)
05:12 cait someone you know has the same date?
05:12 Oak_ nope.
05:12 Oak_ i mean now you have.
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05:15 Oak only digit 1 is missing. that's how I'll remember. anyway. probably does not make sense. back to work.
05:16 cait ah
05:16 cait I thin I understand :)
05:16 * cait is bad at rmembering numbers
05:16 Oak okay. :)
05:33 cait but I have a calendar :)
05:34 Ropuch^ Morning #koha
05:34 cait ok, breakfast time
05:34 cait is now known as cait_afk
05:34 Oak have a good one
05:34 Oak morning Ropuch^
05:34 Oak and circle that date on calendar
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05:41 Ropuch^ Hello Oak
05:43 Oak :)
05:51 Amit_Gupta heya Ropuch, Oak ;)
05:51 Oak Hello Amit_Gupta :)
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06:09 francharb hello
06:09 wahanui salut, francharb
06:20 alex_a hello #koha
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06:20 reiveune hello
06:20 wahanui hola, reiveune
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06:43 cait Oak: date is circled ;)
06:43 Oak danke :)
06:44 cait now learning German too? :)
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06:44 cait hi Irma :)
06:44 Oak nah, I attended a few classes some years ago... still remember few words
06:45 cait you are in good company - lots of people on #koha tried to learn or learned German
06:45 cait I think it's crazy :)
06:46 Oak :) hehe
06:47 alex_a cait it's possible to learn German ?
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06:47 alex_a :p
06:47 cait I wouldn't think so
06:47 alex_a ;)
06:47 cait but some people manage it seems
06:47 Oak well, i don't blame them, when there are cool people like you. I mean I could learn French just because Audrey Tautou speaks it...
06:48 Oak in case we happen to meet...  me and Audrey. who knows.
06:48 Oak ;)
06:48 cait :)
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06:50 clrh hi
06:50 wahanui salut, clrh
06:51 cait hi clrh
06:51 julian hello
06:51 wahanui hello, julian
06:51 clrh :)
06:51 cait hi julian
06:51 julian hi wahanui, cait
06:51 Oak Whānau :)
06:56 matts_away is now known as matts
06:57 cait hi matts
06:58 cait all biblibre here now? :)
06:58 alex_a cait: nope
06:58 alex_a paul_p, hdl are not here
06:59 cait oh
07:00 matts hi cait
07:00 alex_a ouch, tensed discusion about Koha and Liblime-koha on koha-devel !
07:00 matts hi #koha
07:00 rangi hi europe :)
07:01 rangi alex_a: I hope owens email has stopped it
07:03 alex_a that seems to be the case
07:04 rangi well usa is asleep I just hope it doesn't start again
07:04 rangi in other news
07:05 rangi who ate a pain aux raisin today?
07:05 rangi (did I spell it right)
07:06 cait rosinenbrötchen?
07:06 alex_a rangi: right. A pain aux raisins
07:06 alex_a not me
07:07 alex_a I was hoping someone brings
07:07 rangi :)
07:07 cait me neither, although they have them at the hotel here I think
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07:13 rangi there is one french bakery near me, I will have to visit them tomorrow
07:15 eythian gar, never control-c a git checkout, git gets all spazzy
07:17 christophe_c hello everybody
07:20 cait hi christophe_c
07:21 Oak heya christophe_c
07:23 christophe_c hi, cait, Oak
07:24 Oak :)
07:25 cait :)
07:29 paul_p hello world
07:30 paul_p well, the bakery close to biblibre office is ... closed today. So no pain au chocolat or croissant today...
07:30 rangi Hi paul
07:30 paul_p today start as a bad day ;-)
07:30 rangi Hehe
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08:10 magnuse kia ora #koha
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08:12 alex_a hi magnuse
08:12 magnuse bonjour alex_a
08:13 * magnuse is getting set up at the cottage office
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08:15 eythian Oh goody. Merging two catalogues into one, and they have conflicting barcodes. This'll be fun.
08:16 magnuse yay!
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08:29 Brooke kia ora
08:29 Oak Haere Mai, Brooke :) Whānau
08:29 Brooke :)
08:31 magnuse o/
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08:46 ankuratt hii
08:46 ankuratt i want to install the koha at my institute's library
08:46 ankuratt how to start with the process
08:49 magnuse that's a big question ankuratt ;-)
08:49 magnuse guess you need some hardware first of all
08:51 Brooke institute size and type would be helpful to know, too :)
08:56 ankuratt institute size 5000 students
08:56 ankuratt educational engineering college
08:57 ankuratt library - 30,000 books
08:58 Brooke that's not so large as to be cumbersome at all
08:58 Brooke I daresay that might well fit most folks' definition of small
08:58 Brooke what's the circulation like?
08:59 ankuratt presently the circulation is manual
08:59 Brooke aye
08:59 Brooke but how often are things issued?
09:00 ankuratt 30 books per hour
09:00 Brooke (though I can safely say any automation is a vast improvement over manual issuing :D)
09:00 Brooke (keep the back of the book cards, though. You'll thank me later, most like.)
09:01 ankuratt i have installed koha successfully
09:01 ankuratt and i know how to add patrons and circulation and stuff
09:01 ankuratt how to start wid the data entry in catalog
09:01 ankuratt ?
09:02 * Brooke cracks ye olde knuckles.
09:03 * Oak wars a helmet
09:03 Oak crap
09:03 Brooke I presume that you're starting with nothing
09:03 Oak killed it
09:03 Brooke what version of Koha did you install?
09:04 ankuratt 3.4.1
09:04 Brooke outstanding
09:04 Brooke ever heard of MARCedit?
09:04 ankuratt no :(
09:05 Brooke[…]it/html/index.php
09:05 Brooke if you're dealing with stuff with ISBNs, that'll help you pull em relatively quickly
09:05 Brooke that'll also help you mess with the records outside of Koha
09:05 Brooke it is easy enough to use even I can manage.
09:07 ankuratt hmmm i m geeting some hints now
09:08 ankuratt MARCedit is the way to insert the bibliographic data into the koha database  . m i rite ??
09:08 Brooke MARCedit is a bibliographic tool
09:08 ankuratt ok
09:08 Brooke in theory you could use z39.50 straight from koha
09:08 Brooke but you're dealing with a whole bunch of records
09:09 Brooke and I'm guessing you don't actually have anything to feed to koha's bulkmarcimport tool just yet
09:12 ankuratt where do we find koha's bulkmarcimport tool
09:12 ankuratt ?
09:13 Brooke there's a command line
09:14 Brooke and there are also more tools at the staff client > tools
09:16 ankuratt thanks a lot :)
09:16 Brooke no problem
09:16 Brooke folks that know far more than me will be on eventually
09:17 Brooke I haven't done a bulkimport since 3.0ish or possibly 3.2
09:17 Brooke definitely not 3.4
09:17 Oak things change?
09:17 Brooke but it's not like MARCedit cares if it's dealing with 10k records or 30k.
09:17 magnuse and there is always the manual, especially...
09:17 Brooke well options that you tick change
09:17 magnuse Chapter 5. Cataloging[…]nual-en/?ch=c8749
09:19 magnuse the stuff about Z39.50 search/copy cataloging:[…]h=c8749#addbibrec
09:19 Brooke wee bit dated and writ by an ijiot
09:19 Brooke
09:19 Brooke but that's for single records
09:19 Oak very funny though :)
09:19 Brooke which unless you're me
09:19 Brooke you prolly don't want to wrangle with
09:20 magnuse Chapter 2.9. Stage MARC Records for Import:[…]nual-en/?ch=x6393 (for records that were created with e.g. marcedit)
09:20 Brooke I'm a perfectionist
09:20 Brooke so I just copy catalogued everything by hand and eyeballed each record
09:20 Brooke much better quality
09:20 Brooke but I think even I'd tear me hair out at the 30k mark.
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09:25 ankuratt my IRC windows closed
09:25 ankuratt can i see the channel history
09:25 ankuratt i want the chat log
09:27 ankuratt plz help me how can i view the recent chaty
09:27 ankuratt chats
09:27 magnuse ankuratt:[…]g/koha/2011-06-08
09:29 ankuratt thanks
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09:44 Brooke woot
09:44 Brooke book festival is two days now :D
09:44 Brooke
09:45 Oak :)
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09:47 Oak time to get ready for class
09:47 Oak later
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10:04 magnuse @wunder boo
10:04 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 14.0�C (11:50 AM CEST on June 08, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady).
10:05 magnuse hm, +21C in my exact location, akshuly
10:06 rangi @wunder wellington nz
10:06 huginn` rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 8.0�C (10:00 PM NZST on June 08, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Windchill: 7.0�C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
10:07 rangi you win this time
10:11 magnuse woohoo ;-)
10:12 magnuse @wunder marseille
10:12 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 21.0�C (12:00 PM CEST on June 08, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady).
10:12 magnuse the forecast for tomorrow says +28C and almost no wind...
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10:13 huginn` druthb: Brooke was last seen in #koha 28 minutes and 22 seconds ago: <Brooke>
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10:16 paul_p 'morning druthb
10:17 magnuse o/
10:17 rangi http://www.theopensourceway.or[…]n_source_way.html
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10:18 magnuse "ignoring community fundamentals", eh? ;-)
10:18 rangi :)
10:18 rangi the whole book is a good read
10:19 rangi but that chapter was very deja vu
10:26 * magnuse downloads the .epub
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11:55 magnuse @wunder boo
11:55 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 15.0�C (1:50 PM CEST on June 08, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady).
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11:55 magnuse @wunder fauske, norway
11:55 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in FAUSKE, ved smabathavna., 8200 FAUSKE, Norway is 23.7�C (2:00 PM CEST on June 08, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 29.79 in 1008.7 hPa (Steady).
11:56 magnuse yeah, that's more like it
11:56 oleonard @wunder 45701
11:56 huginn` oleonard: The current temperature in Athens, Ohio is 20.0�C (7:55 AM EDT on June 08, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
11:56 magnuse tee hee
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11:58 * oleonard is frightened that it could be so warm so far north
11:58 magnuse yeah, it is a bit unusual, but not completely unheard of
11:58 magnuse thanks to the "gulf current"
11:59 magnuse gulf stream, sorry
11:59 oleonard We have had a lot of heat over here to send your way.
11:59 * magnuse is grateful
12:02 nengard @wunder 19030
12:02 huginn` nengard: The current temperature in JAT Observatory, Fairless Hills, Pennsylvania is 24.1�C (8:03 AM EDT on June 08, 2011). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 19.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010.0 hPa (Steady). Excessive heat warning in effect from noon today to 8 PM EDT Thursday...
12:02 nengard Yuh huh ... got you all topped
12:02 nengard :(
12:03 nengard supposed to be over 100 tomorrow!!!
12:03 * oleonard doesn't want to win that contest
12:03 nengard hence my :(
12:03 nengard i don't want to win either
12:03 nengard if i wanted this type of weather i would move to texas or florida
12:03 Agent_Dani I'll stop complaining about the mid-90s here now.
12:05 magnuse nengard: you can send it my way, but in small portions, not all at once ;-)
12:05 nengard hehe
12:05 oleonard Seen this morning on a tech librarians list: "Free to good home: Install disks. IBM OS/2, v. 2.1 on 7.5" floppy."
12:05 wahanui I haven't seen 'this', oleonard
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12:05 nengard OMG
12:05 magnuse yay!
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12:10 nengard hey, after doing a fetch this AM I can't seem to get my system preferences to load up without getting script errors ... is it just me, or are others having this issue
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12:10 nengard FF has been pissing me off lately - so it could be me
12:11 nengard it was the highligh script when searching preferences if others want to test it out
12:13 oleonard nengard: I'm not getting js errors in FF 4 or FF3.x on my PC
12:14 nengard k
12:14 nengard good to know
12:17 oleonard Bug 6483 is an interesting development
12:17 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6483 enhancement, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW , Paging in opac-detail when coming from a search
12:18 oleonard And from a new contributor?
12:19 oleonard Makes for some damn ugly urls. I wonder if that could be handled in a different way.
12:24 magnuse it's a cool feature!
12:24 oleonard It's one that Koha has lacked in comparison to other ILSes.
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12:31 magnuse hm, i can't seem to find the links for getting to the next record?
12:31 oleonard all the way at the bottom
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12:32 magnuse hm, nope...
12:33 magnuse might be hidden by the language chooser?
12:33 oleonard Not for me, I see both.
12:34 magnuse nope, more like hidden by my stupidity in not testing with english
12:35 magnuse or re-generating the templates to test in norwegian...
12:36 magnuse ooh yes, this is a cool feature, but it feels like the layout/display could do with some more work
12:37 oleonard Yeah, I'm wondering if the links couldn't go into the right-hand sidebar box
12:37 magnuse oleonard, do you see previous, next and ... as a bulleted list?
12:37 oleonard Someone else was doing some work on something similar, a return to search results link I think?
12:37 oleonard magnuse: No, but there were CSS changes to affect that. You might have to shift-reload.
12:38 magnuse ah, yes, thanks - much better now ;-)
12:38 oleonard Bug 6120
12:38 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6120 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, fridolyn.somers, ASSIGNED , Add search links in detail pages
12:40 oleonard that enhancement remembers the search as part of a session cookie.
12:41 magnuse and it's just the "back to results" link, right?
12:41 oleonard Yes
12:41 magnuse cool
12:42 magnuse so it might be possible to save the busc thingy in a cookie/session instead of the url?
12:42 oleonard That's what I wondered
12:43 magnuse in the bug he says "to avoid storing it in the session" - not sure it should be avoided?
12:44 oleonard I don't know either way, it's outside the scope of my knowledge.
12:44 magnuse yeah, mine too
12:45 magnuse let's comment on the bug and ask!
12:47 oleonard Preposterous.
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12:59 magnuse done
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13:16 oleonard Thanks magnuse
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13:18 magnuse my pleasure!
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13:19 nengard magnuse and oleonard did either of you test the RSS feed and Zotero on pages other than the first?
13:19 nengard wondering if the URL is changing if those still work
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13:26 magnuse nengard: nope, sorry
13:26 nengard something we should test ... got a meeting soon so i can't play with that patch yet
13:35 magnuse doesn't seem to affect rss, at least
13:37 chris_n g'morning
13:38 wizzyrea mornin chris_n
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13:42 oleonard We need an FAQ item about installing on Windows.
13:42 oleonard I'm leaning towards saying "You can't." and keeping it simple.
13:43 atz or rather "Don't bother"
13:44 atz "Use VirtualBox"
13:48 oleonard I also think we need to start closing comments on old posts
13:49 wizzyrea k
13:50 oleonard Just my opinion. But I think it would discourage random out of context support questions
13:52 wizzyrea well I'm of a mind to turn off comments on all pages
13:52 wizzyrea and only allow them on posts
13:54 magnuse sounds good to me
13:57 paul_p sonds good to me too !
14:07 wizzyrea fortunately wp makes this process pretty painless :P
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14:21 wizzyrea aight, comments are closed after 30 days on all posts, comments have been cleaned up (I still have them, they're just not displaying)
14:22 magnuse wizzyrea++
14:22 wizzyrea new pages will not allow comments
14:22 wizzyrea rather, pages will not allow comments
14:23 magnuse yay! now if we could only get email validation on the wiki working again too...
14:23 wizzyrea yea, that would be cool too
14:24 magnuse or rather get new registrations working, whichever way
14:37 * oleonard hears wizzyrea is keeping all the comments for herself
14:38 wizzyrea they're MINE
14:38 wizzyrea ALL MINE
14:38 * wizzyrea laughs evilly
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14:45 wizzyrea hmm, do you think I can truncate the sticky post at the top of the site to just after the "about koha" bit?
14:46 wizzyrea has it been enough time, do we need to say why the site has been established at the new domain anymore?
14:46 oleonard I vote yes to truncating
14:47 magnuse me too
14:47 magnuse it would be good if some actual news showed up above the fold
14:48 wizzyrea ok, the content regarding the creation of the site is still there, it's just hidden under <more>
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14:51 adnc hello
14:53 magnuse wizzyrea, could we consider getting rid of "About Koha" (just the heading) too, to save some more space? (i'm on a 13 inch laptop...)
14:54 magnuse guten tag adnc
14:54 wizzyrea I would entertain that, yes
14:54 wizzyrea it serves a purpose for search engines
14:55 wizzyrea which by the way, if anyone has particular fu in gam^h^h teaching search engines that your webiste is more awesome than *cough* another certain website I'd be happy to talk to you on how we could improve it
14:55 wizzyrea afk just a minute
14:55 magnuse ah, hadn't thought about that...
14:58 adnc guten tag magnuse
14:58 wizzyrea let me see if I can make it so that the style of that doesn't take up so much space
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16:15 wizzyrea hi hdl :)
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16:15 cait hi all
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16:18 Agent_Dani Hi cait
16:18 cait hi Agent_Dani
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16:58 NCARMichael Hey People
16:59 NCARMichael Is Galen around today?
16:59 oleonard gmcharlt?
16:59 wahanui hmmm... gmcharlt is an expert in all things library technology.
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17:04 NCARMichael yes, i have commands for him. i need to command him to do some things.
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17:20 debrob hi
17:20 wahanui que tal, debrob
17:20 debrob que tal wahanui
17:20 wahanui salut, debrob
17:21 debrob alguien me puede ayudar como configurar instancias de koha 3.2 en debian zqueed
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17:22 magnuse oops
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17:25 magnuse debrob: wahanui is just an overly eager bot...
17:25 magnuse ...and i think you are better off asking your questions in english ;-)
17:44 debrob ok
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17:48 debrob help for configure more of 2 instances on koha 3.2, i haveon debian 6 and configured one instance whit koha-create
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18:09 magnuse debrob: sorry, was away for a bit
18:09 magnuse if you installed koha-common you can execute koha-create as many times as you want to create more instances of koha
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18:26 rhcl_away hi conan
18:29 debrob magnuse: i have koha-common and installs an instance pruebas, but i needto create a new instance koha-create production, that serious production my instance default
18:34 conan magnuse: should I continue adding stuff to bug 6481 or keep with the previous you marked as duplicate?
18:34 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6481 enhancement, P5, ---, frederic, NEW , Koha doesn't have a way to set a preferred language from system
18:35 magnuse the previous one is now closed as a duplicate - stick to 6481
18:36 magnuse sorry debrob, not sure i understand your question... you can empty the database of your test install and start over, or create a new "instance" with koha-create, and disable/remove the test
18:39 conan debrob: I also cannot understand your question, would you feel more comfortably writing in spanish?
18:43 debrob conan: of course, you understand spanish?
18:46 conan debrob: yup
18:46 conan debrob: digo, sí :)
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18:49 debrob conan: que mejor :)
18:49 debrob conan: mira
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18:59 library_guy hey guys
18:59 rhcl_away hi lg
19:00 library_guy I'm sitting up here with our circ librarian and she has some questions that I was hoping you guys could help me answer
19:00 library_guy since im just the systems guy ;)
19:00 wizzyrea we'll try
19:00 library_guy thatks wizzyrea
19:01 library_guy ok for starters, she wants to know how easy it is to add different payment types in the pay fines section
19:01 library_guy as it looks now its just paid, unpaid, and writeoff
19:01 nengard library_guy, those are the only options as of now, but you can choose types to add to the manual credit section
19:01 wizzyrea those are hard coded (I think) but ^^ what she said
19:02 nengard sorry :)
19:02 wizzyrea all good :
19:02 wizzyrea :)
19:02 library_guy nengard, the manual credit section?
19:02 library_guy is that a setting or a page?
19:02 wizzyrea it's a tab in the fines
19:03 wizzyrea "make manual payment"
19:03 wizzyrea or somesuch
19:03 library_guy margo is out today so i don't have anybodyto dump my stupid questions on lol
19:03 library_guy ahh ok thanks wizzyrea
19:03 nengard when looking at a patron's FINE tab you have 4 tabs across the top
19:03 nengard account, pay, manual credit, manual invoice
19:03 nengard or something like that
19:03 library_guy right i see that
19:04 nengard the types in the pull down there
19:04 nengard you can add to that list by going to Admin > Authorized values
19:04 nengard MANUAL_INV
19:05 nengard and add in more values
19:05 library_guy ahh ok
19:05 wizzyrea so in light of that, to add more values - it's easy
19:05 library_guy ill let her know...*smh*
19:05 wizzyrea (if you use manual)
19:05 library_guy rihgt you can just hardcode more in right?
19:05 nengard not to the pay fines page you can't ... but if you do it all as manual invoices you can add to that pull down menu
19:06 library_guy ok thanks nengard
19:06 nengard wait ... wizzyrea ... am I right?
19:06 nengard MANUAL_INV is for manual invoice ... what do we use for credits?
19:06 wizzyrea urm
19:06 nengard yeah ....
19:06 wizzyrea sec
19:07 nengard library_guy wait ... don't tell her that yet
19:07 wizzyrea well
19:07 wizzyrea no, that doesn't work, it works for invoices
19:07 wizzyrea but not for credits
19:07 wizzyrea you get "credit type"
19:08 wizzyrea but you get to put in whatever description, note, and amount you want
19:08 wizzyrea what's the problem she's trying to solve
19:08 wizzyrea ?
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19:09 wizzyrea library_guy
19:11 library_guy yes
19:11 library_guy sorry
19:11 wizzyrea sok :)
19:11 library_guy lots of talking going on
19:11 wizzyrea all good
19:11 * library_guy spins in confustion
19:11 library_guy ok
19:12 library_guy she just didn't want to type the note in the pay fines tab
19:12 wizzyrea ah
19:12 wizzyrea in that case
19:12 wizzyrea the answer is "they are hard coded, and would require coding to add more"
19:12 wizzyrea now, that said
19:12 wizzyrea idk what eythian's accounts rewrite looks like
19:13 wizzyrea it may be better in (most) that regard
19:13 wizzyrea (s)
19:13 library_guy ahh i see
19:18 wizzyrea so, anybody else want to be able to search patrons by email
19:18 oleonard I want a full advanced search on any patron field.
19:18 wizzyrea there we go.
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19:19 oleonard Oh I know, we could just say that would be too hard and put an SQL input on the patrons screen
19:19 wizzyrea heh
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19:26 magnuse bon soir (or something like that) hdl & paul_p
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19:35 rangi morning
19:35 rhcl_away afternoon
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19:37 rangi @wunder wellington nz
19:37 huginn` rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 7.0�C (7:00 AM NZST on June 09, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Windchill: 6.0�C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
19:37 druthb @wunder 20852
19:37 huginn` druthb: The current temperature in Potomac Woods, Rockville, Maryland is 33.5�C (3:42 PM EDT on June 08, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: 21.0�C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014.4 hPa (Steady). Heat advisory in effect until 8 PM EDT this evening...
19:37 druthb lordy.  no wonder.
19:37 rangi more like 3
19:37 wizzyrea @wunder lawrence ks
19:37 huginn` wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 35.0�C (2:42 PM CDT on June 08, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: 20.0�C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005.0 hPa (Steady).
19:37 rangi brrrr
19:37 wizzyrea HA
19:38 rangi hurry up bus
19:38 wizzyrea brrr
19:41 moodaepo @wunder 56001
19:41 huginn` moodaepo: The current temperature in MSU Physics Dept, Mankato, Minnesota is 23.1�C (2:45 PM CDT on June 08, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.79 in 1008.7 hPa (Steady).
19:42 talljoy wunder 76109
19:42 talljoy dang
19:42 talljoy @wunder 76109
19:42 huginn` talljoy: The current temperature in Palomino Estates, Benbrook, Texas is 33.4�C (2:47 PM CDT on June 08, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: 21.0�C. Pressure: 29.81 in 1009.4 hPa (Steady).
19:43 talljoy Wow...hotter in Kansas than in Texas????
19:43 wizzyrea oh you know it's bad when you've got texas beat
19:43 talljoy what is the world coming to?
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19:43 nengard @wunder 19030
19:43 huginn` nengard: The current temperature in JAT Observatory, Fairless Hills, Pennsylvania is 35.3�C (3:34 PM EDT on June 08, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 36%. Dew Point: 18.0�C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007.0 hPa (Steady). Excessive heat warning in effect until 8 PM EDT Thursday...
19:43 ibeardslee those places are just too hot
19:43 rangi talljoy: are u near dfw?
19:43 nengard hotter in PA than TX
19:43 wizzyrea oooo nicole wins
19:43 talljoy I am ALL OVER dfs
19:43 talljoy dang
19:43 talljoy dfw
19:43 rangi hehe
19:43 talljoy i live in Fort Worth, work in Addison.  I travel from one side to the other
19:43 nengard i have the AC and two fans on
19:43 nengard scared to open the door and let the pups out
19:44 wizzyrea it's actually, for that hot, not so bad here
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19:44 rangi plano is the only place in Texas I've been to
19:44 talljoy I'm in Addison today.  Close to Plano
19:44 talljoy @wunder 75244
19:44 nengard i've been all over TX - lots of Koha libraries in TX :)
19:44 huginn` talljoy: The current temperature in Dallas, Texas is 34.8�C (2:39 PM CDT on June 08, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: 21.0�C. Pressure: 29.70 in 1005.6 hPa (Falling).
19:45 talljoy Yes, there are.
19:45 talljoy Hopefully, when I'm through there will be LOTS more.
19:45 rangi now I want another of those crazy deepfried avacodoes
19:45 wizzyrea lol
19:45 talljoy yum
19:46 wizzyrea that did look yummy
19:46 talljoy taste yummy
19:46 wizzyrea cheese stuffed, iirc
19:46 rangi yep
19:46 * talljoy wipes drool
19:46 ibeardslee ohhhh
19:46 * talljoy considering where I can stop for beer and fried avocado between 75244 and 76109
19:46 rangi lol
19:47 rangi its Texas
19:47 rangi everywhere! !
19:47 wizzyrea do you drive through plano on that tollway?
19:47 wizzyrea cuz the place we went to had both :p
19:47 wizzyrea beer AND fried avocados
19:47 talljoy I take the Tollway and the highway, and the backroads.
19:47 talljoy yes....i refuse to call it by name though (the tollway, that is)
19:48 wizzyrea it uh, named after a shrubbery?
19:48 talljoy[…]eBushTurnpike.htm
19:48 wizzyrea ah so it is
19:48 talljoy I call it that road
19:48 wizzyrea you should call it "shrub row"
19:48 wizzyrea or something
19:48 rangi I remember like a dumbarse nzer I tried to walk in plano
19:48 talljoy LOL
19:48 talljoy ain't no walkin in Plano
19:49 rangi I learnt :)
19:49 wizzyrea < tried too, don't feel bad
19:49 talljoy I'm in the "Fort" (Fort Worth), a bit more walkable in my 'hood.
19:49 rangi ahh cool
19:49 rangi hmm where is bg
19:49 wahanui i guess bg is the awesomest, really, I mean it.
19:50 rangi im trying to member what baseball team we watched
19:50 talljoy in Texas?
19:50 wizzyrea was it the rangers?
19:50 rangi frisco something
19:50 talljoy yes
19:50 talljoy Well, in Arlington, there is the Texas Rangers.  (Major League Team)
19:50 talljoy dunno about Frisco
19:50 rangi wasn't major league
19:51 talljoy minor league I spose
19:51 rangi was aaa or somethink
19:51 wizzyrea oh the rough riders
19:51 wizzyrea frisco rough riders?
19:51 talljoy yup
19:51 rangi was fun, my first game
19:51 rangi yes!!
19:51 * wizzyrea only knows how to use google
19:51 rangi heh
19:51 talljoy Baseball is fun....lots of beer, but no fried avocado
19:51 wizzyrea though we have a AAA team in KC, the TBones
19:51 wizzyrea and those games are fun
19:51 rangi hot dogs tho
19:51 wizzyrea cheap too, 11 bucks for a ticket
19:51 wizzyrea like, a front row ticket
19:51 * talljoy shudders at the thought of processed meat in a tube
19:52 rangi and brendan explaining the rules to an nzer and 2 frenchmen
19:52 talljoy i would have loved to have been there!
19:52 rangi oh and owen too
19:52 wizzyrea the question is: did owen know the rules?
19:52 rangi more than me
19:53 rangi :)
19:53 wizzyrea i went to a game a year ago, and even I was like ... uh, what's going on again?
19:53 wizzyrea it'd been so long
19:53 talljoy Last time i went, I kept asking about touchdowns.
19:53 wizzyrea rofl
19:53 * talljoy not a sport fan
19:53 rangi I've been to hockey, baseball and football
19:53 rangi have to go to a basketball game
19:53 library_guy do you guys know how I'd hide a book in the opac if it was out for repair
19:54 rangi as a tourist its fun to go to sports things
19:54 talljoy yes
19:54 library_guy is it a setting that im missing?
19:54 wizzyrea library_guy: there's a setting "opacHiddenItems"
19:54 wizzyrea but i'm not totally certain it's working
19:54 rangi library_guy: opacsuppression thing too
19:54 library_guy do i just add the barcode there?
19:55 talljoy wasn't there something in the user listserv about this?
19:55 library_guy i think so
19:55 talljoy just recently?  sounds familiar
19:55 library_guy thats where my circ librarian saw it
19:55 rangi yep linda had it working
19:55 talljoy ah
19:55 talljoy nengard was researching for the manual, I believe
19:55 rangi what version u running?
19:55 nengard yeah i put it in the manual but i haven't gotten it working on my system ....
19:56 nengard not sure what's up with that
19:56 pastebot "wizzyrea" at pasted "opachiddenitems.txt" (12 lines) at
19:56 wizzyrea fwiw, nengard, it doesn't work for us either
19:56 rangi there is the opacsuppression thing too eh?
19:56 talljoy[…]match=hidden+opac
19:56 wizzyrea following exactly that
19:56 rangi where u can suppress individual items
19:56 wizzyrea bibs, I think
19:57 rangi diff to hidden
19:57 library_guy ok rangi
19:57 wizzyrea is what opacsuppression
19:57 wizzyrea odes
19:57 wizzyrea does
19:57 rangi ahh
19:57 wizzyrea bib level suppress
19:57 nengard hmmm
19:57 wizzyrea (that's what 'they' told us anyway, it might not be right_
19:57 wizzyrea )
19:59 rangi I dunno so much stuff flies by me, its all a blur
19:59 magnuse @wunder fauske, norway
19:59 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in FAUSKE, ved smabathavna., 8200 FAUSKE, Norway is 19.2�C (10:03 PM CEST on June 08, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 29.81 in 1009.4 hPa.
20:00 ibeardslee that toll way name .. quite ironic that for years he tried to ride over everyone and now people drive all over him.
20:00 talljoy one way to look at it.  ;-)
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20:00 rangi hmm I hope someone can help mamta aurora
20:01 rangi cos she works for a kickarse school
20:03 rangi I think export marcedit import maybe?
20:04 rangi or do we have batch bib mods in 3.4.1?
20:04 rangi I know I've seen the code, can't member if its been merged
20:05 rangi ok time to go talk to my cuban friend and get a coffee
20:05 rangi bbiab
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20:18 rangi back
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20:20 pianohacker hello
20:21 rangi heya pianohacker
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20:29 * magnuse wonders why there is both a C4::Output::themelanguage() and a C4::Templates::themelanguage(), after staring at the first one for the longest time, thinking it was the second, but not quite recognizing it...
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20:34 rangi nothing should be using the one in C4/Output, you could comment it out and test, C4/Templates should be doing that instead now
20:36 library_guy another question, I know that we have an hourly loans bit coming in soon, but will it include a way to assign the book that is on loan to a faculty member?
20:36 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6478] needs an example crontab <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6478>
20:37 rangi you mean proxy borrowing?
20:37 library_guy perhaps?
20:37 rangi nope thats not in the scope of hourly circ, thats a difference rfc
20:37 rangi its on the cards though, but wont be part of the hourly circ
20:38 magnuse thanks, rangi
20:38 library_guy there a wiki page for it hat you know of?
20:38 rangi not off the top of my head
20:38 library_guy ok thanks rangi
20:39 library_guy if you think of it, I'd like to read the specs on it.  The reaction that I'm getting here may require me to put come code into it
20:39 library_guy some*
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20:43 library_guy rangi do you know what other academic libraries are using for reserves in Koha by chance?
20:43 rangi nope
20:43 rangi id ask someone from bywater, or equinox or biblibre
20:43 magnuse library_guy: there's[…]/Hourly_Loans_RFC, but not sure how up to date it is. sekjal mau know that though
20:43 bg say hi to the CG Jung librarians in SF :)
20:43 rangi yes thats up to date magnuse
20:44 rangi but it doesnt do proxy borrowing
20:44 conan magnuse: I stared at those yesterday
20:44 magnuse hi CG Jung librarians in SF!
20:44 sekjal howdy, CG Jung librarians!
20:44 rangi thats a whole other thing
20:44 wizzyrea hi CG Jung librarians :)
20:44 rangi hourly loans work is underway you can watch the progress here
20:44 library_guy ok thanks rangi
20:44 rangi hi CG Jung librarians :)
20:44 library_guy oh yeah i think im on the cc list for hourly loans
20:45 magnuse oops. i might have got my topics confused
20:45 rangi[…]9&hide_resolved=1
20:45 sekjal cheers, #koha!  time to get some rest
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20:46 magnuse oy, no rest for the wicked!
20:47 rangi bg: are you training?
20:47 bg yes rangi :)
20:48 rangi cool
20:49 pianohacker hrm. What's the plural of ILS again?
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20:49 magnuse pianohacker :headache?
20:49 rangi ILII
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20:49 rangi :)
20:49 magnuse ooh, good one, rangi
20:49 wizzyrea @quote add Pianohacker: hrm. What's the plural of ILS again? Rangi: ILSESESESESESES
20:49 huginn` wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.  Quote #142 added.
20:50 pianohacker magnuse++
20:53 rangi im pretty sure the CG Jung librarians will be using analytical pscyhology to profile us all
20:54 rangi meyers briggs ... that came from his research i think?
20:54 bg they are all jungi ;)
20:55 rangi 1991 .. thats when i last studied any pyschology
20:55 bg actually I think they call themselves jungians
20:57 yhager When catalouging new items, they will appear in OPAC only after indexing is done (I do it every 10 minutes). It is an annoyance to the librarian - is there a way to overcome that (apart for decreasing the time in cron)
20:58 rangi no
20:58 rangi decreasing the frequency
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20:59 rangi or writing a bash script to run as soon as it finishes
20:59 rangi or
20:59 rangi if you are brave
21:00 rangi[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5166
21:00 huginn` Bug 5166: enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, tomascohen, ASSIGNED , Refactor into a library
21:00 rangi is awaiting testing/signoff
21:00 rangi sorry awaiting qa, been signed off
21:00 rangi if you had a staging/testing server and you wanted to check using that
21:01 rangi with that, you can then run the rebuild zebra as a daemon
21:01 rangi so it updates as soon as things change
21:02 * rangi hopes that is some help
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21:05 magnuse yhager: the easiest thing will be to set the frequency to 1 minute in cron (which is the minimum interval for cron) ;-)
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21:06 yhager magnuse: what happens if the process takes more than one minute then?
21:06 cait hi #koha
21:07 rangi hi cait
21:07 cait hi rangi :)
21:07 yhager rangi: thanks. I am not sure my librarian can accept any issues at the moment, so although I consider myself brave in that sort of issues, I don't think it would be wise at the moment..
21:08 rangi yhager: id lower it to 5
21:08 magnuse yhager: not sure actually, but it does not seem to be a problem...
21:08 magnuse guten abend cait
21:08 rangi then when this patch makes it into master, you can switch to the daemon if you want
21:08 cait hi magnuse :)
21:08 yhager magnuse: I would imagine that it will increase the load as more and more rebuilds are trying to run and cannot finish due to the increased load
21:09 yhager rangi: I will definitely do that.
21:09 yhager magnuse: what the heck.. maybe I'll just try instead of contemplating..
21:09 wizzyrea can always change it back ^.^
21:09 yhager yep..
21:10 SteveJ Is anyone aware of any efforts by any group to create a graphical interface for geographical subject headings to tie into Koha?
21:11 rangi SteveJ: like a map?
21:11 magnuse yhager: on the other hand, the longer you wait the more records will need to be indexed once you get around to it...
21:12 magnuse has anyone seen problems because of that cron running too often?
21:12 yhager magnuse: true
21:12 SteveJ Rangi: Yes, though I am thinking of a multi-level map (so first drill down by country, then state/area, then possibly quadrangle
21:14 rangi magnuse: i have, but only when doing bulk changes
21:15 rangi having a few running works the cpu pretty hard
21:15 rangi SteveJ: cool, no one i know is doing that
21:16 SteveJ Oh well. It is going to be a nightmare to implement but it should be really useful for our users.
21:16 magnuse yhager: how big is your library? how many people are likely to be chaning records at the same time?
21:17 yhager magnuse: very small. one.
21:18 magnuse 1 minute should probably not be a problem, then ;-)
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21:19 rangi SteveJ: shouldnt be too hard
21:20 rangi all you need is something that can pass some words through to the form
21:20 rangi you could probably use google maps
21:22 yhager magnuse: yep, I figure the same. Thanks.
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21:34 bg @marc$h
21:34 huginn` bg: downloading the Perl source
21:34 rangi heh
21:35 bg @marc 245$h
21:35 huginn` bg: unknown tag 245$h
21:35 rangi @marc 245
21:35 huginn` rangi: The title and statement of responsibility area of the bibliographic description of a work. [a,b,c,f,g,h,k,n,p,s,6,8]
21:35 rangi @marc 245 h
21:35 huginn` rangi: Medium
21:35 bg @marc 245 h
21:35 huginn` bg: Medium
21:35 rangi :)
21:35 bg @marc 245 n
21:35 huginn` bg: Number of part/section of a work  (Repeatable)
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21:44 cait timeto sleep
21:44 cait night all :)
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21:47 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Updating INSTALL.opensuse file with the changes by Freek de Kruijf <[…]7a612ec3ac14f8657>
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21:48 magnuse kia ora Irma
21:48 Irma kia ora magnuse!
21:52 Irma I am getting ready for a Koha presentation in Adelaide next Tuesday evening ...
21:53 rangi excellent
21:53 magnuse yay!
21:53 Irma actually I must add the event to the Koha wiki ...
21:53 Irma and just ask for the host to update their events page
21:54 Irma
21:56 magnuse nice halo ;-)
21:57 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Updating upgrade information to note the fact language templates need <[…]b37be47354be73a8b>
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22:04 rhcl_away interesting eReader paper:[…]-2011extended.pdf
22:05 rangi Irma: you could put it on the main koha-community site
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22:06 * magnuse should convince himself to go to bed even if it is still light outside - it is past midnight after all...
22:06 rangi heh yes
22:07 rhcl_away it's friday, see ya all next week
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22:07 rangi i think his calendar might be busted
22:07 Agent_Dani Just a bit.
22:08 ibeardslee damn .. I was starting to look forward to BOC tonight
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22:10 magnuse hey, what's one day between friends...
22:11 magnuse beer o'clock?
22:11 rangi yep 4pm friday at catalyst
22:11 rangi u'll remember it magnuse :)
22:12 magnuse yup, been there, done that ;-)
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22:21 magnuse g'night #koha
22:21 magnuse is now known as magnus_away
22:25 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #285: SUCCESS in 42 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/285/
22:25 jenkins_koha koha: Updating INSTALL.opensuse file with the changes by Freek de Kruijf
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23:07 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #286: SUCCESS in 42 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/286/
23:07 jenkins_koha Chris Cormack: Updating upgrade information to note the fact language templates need
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