IRC log for #koha, 2011-05-27

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00:28 glernil good day!
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00:51 library_guy does anybody else feel like a lurker just sitting watching the IRC when nobody is talking
00:51 library_guy aww man i forgot to log out at work
01:00 gmcharlt library_guy: a slightly bored lurker, perhaps
01:00 gmcharlt will nobody think of the lurkers?  talk, talk already! ;)
01:04 library_guy lol gmcharlt
01:09 library_guy has anybody had to set up email on a debain system that had to go through exchange?
01:10 gmcharlt not I
01:10 library_guy darn...
01:10 library_guy Academic universities never make things simple
01:15 library_guy gmcharlt do you read reddit?
01:15 gmcharlt not really.  why do you ask?
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01:16 library_guy I started a Koha board on there
01:16 gmcharlt cool.  linky?
01:16 library_guy but its just me and one other person
01:16 library_guy
01:17 library_guy Thought it would be cool if a lot of people were on it
01:18 gmcharlt so are you elliemaenator or iluliaq there?
01:18 library_guy elliemaenator
01:18 library_guy its a name ive had since HS
01:19 library_guy ililiaq helped me out when I first started using Koha and was too scared to come talk to you guys on the IRC
01:20 gmcharlt we don't bite! (much) ;)
01:20 library_guy not unless it close to a release :p
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03:32 * eythian now has a nagios task to ensure that your zebra queue is being regularly reindexed.
03:33 wizzyrea sneeky sneeky
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03:35 eythian I'm building a system so that a Koha system can be properly monitored, and notifications sent if things aren't responding like they should be.
03:35 eythian especially the more subtle errors, like rebuild_zebra not happening.
03:35 * Oak waves
03:35 wizzyrea eythian: great idea
03:36 ibeardslee eythian: special hooks into nagios etc?
03:36 eythian ibeardslee: yeah, building some custom plugins
03:37 eythian e.g.: ZEBRAQUEUE CRITICAL - 1 delayed >5 min, 1 delayed >1 min, 1 total waiting
03:47 mtj i've always been meaning to do a munin plugin for Koha circ and zebra stats
03:50 eythian that'd be worthwhile
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04:27 cait good morning #koha
04:27 bg heya cait
04:29 cait hi bg :)
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04:37 * rangi waves
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04:42 cait hi rangi :)
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04:46 fredericd morning
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04:50 cait hi fredericd :)
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04:57 cait good morning pastebot ;)
05:12 cait pastebot botsnack cookie
05:12 cait ah, probably not his thing
05:23 * cait gets ready for a little early in the morning bug wrangling
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05:36 cait bonjour sophie_m
05:55 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6415] Can't make a patron card batch <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6415>
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06:23 alex_a good morning
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06:27 Ropuch Morning #koha
06:28 cait hi alex_a and Ropuch
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06:29 reiveune hello
06:29 wahanui hola, reiveune
06:29 reiveune bonjour wahanui
06:29 wahanui hola, reiveune
06:29 reiveune :)
06:30 cait hi reiveune :)
06:31 cait be careful, wahanui is our chatbot
06:31 cait @wunder Konstanz
06:31 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 13.0�C (8:30 AM CEST on May 27, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014.1 hPa (Steady).
06:31 cait ah, I guess you know that already
06:33 reiveune thx cait
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06:40 sophie_m hello #koha
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06:53 pianohacker bed!
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06:53 francharb hi
06:53 wahanui bonjour, francharb
06:53 francharb hello wahanui
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07:08 reiveune francharb: fait gaffe, wahanui semble être un bot
07:09 francharb ?
07:10 reiveune francharb: (08:34:55) cait: be careful, wahanui is our chatbot
07:11 francharb oki
07:11 francharb thanks
07:11 reiveune :)
07:15 alex_a francharb, reiveune, you are lucky. wahanui never greets me
07:17 francharb is wahanui grateful if you ++ him?
07:17 francharb wahanui++
07:17 alex_a wahanui+
07:17 alex_a +
07:17 alex_a lol
07:17 alex_a wahanui++
07:18 francharb @karma wahanui
07:18 huginn` francharb: Karma for "wahanui" has been increased 3 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 3.
07:18 francharb @karma huginn`
07:18 huginn` francharb: huginn` has neutral karma.
07:19 francharb ?
07:19 wahanui i heard logbot was here
07:19 francharb how many bots do you have guys?
07:19 francharb pastebot
07:20 francharb + those undercover...
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08:11 paul_p hello world !
08:12 rangi hi paul_p
08:12 kf hi paul_p
08:12 slef morning all
08:13 kf hi slef
08:13 kf more people here than I thought
08:13 francharb i thought everyone was asleep...
08:13 kf someone an idea about moodle / ilias /stup ip / other software like those integration with koha?
08:13 francharb ;)
08:13 slef francharb: there's a logger, a factoid one, a pastebot and a multi-purpose one
08:13 kf bots++ :)
08:14 francharb :)
08:14 slef kf: my colleague has done some moodle/koha integration. I think the key step to simplify it is to drive both from LDAP
08:15 rangi weve done it with simple saml
08:15 kf saml
08:15 kf interesting :)
08:15 rangi you could do it with cas too
08:15 kf yeah
08:15 rangi simple saml is an oxymoron
08:15 kf but it's not really integrating, is it? when you authenticate both from the same source outside of koha?
08:15 kf it's not simple?
08:15 rangi its anything but simple
08:15 kf hehe
08:16 kf about mason's question on list, I think the problem is AutoSelfCheckAllowed?
08:16 rangi yeah
08:16 rangi not a bug, its something switched on
08:16 paul_p I agree
08:16 rangi for corporate/special libraries etc
08:16 rangi where you can trust your users not to steal :)
08:16 slef kf: how would you see it integrating? You can catalogue moodle courses anyway.
08:17 paul_p and we can't avoid this : if you've self-checkout, then you trust your patrons anyway !
08:17 slef kf: I think we hacked a moodle to auth from koha but it wasn't pretty.
08:17 rangi one of the students wrote a moodle bloc
08:17 rangi that lets you search koha from inside moodle
08:17 rangi but then we generalised it
08:17 rangi to search any sru/sw
08:18 * rangi isnt on the elearning team
08:18 rangi but ill ask kristina
08:18 rangi kf you could mail her, and ask her in german, she would enjoy that :)
08:18 kf slef, paul_p and all: I have a student writing a bachelor thesis asking :)
08:18 kf he looks for all kind of integration
08:19 kf we got requests in the past for links from moodle/others to catalog searches and detail pages
08:19 kf and you can do that with koha easily, I only wondered if I am missing other ideas or points
08:19 kf can you pm me her email address?
08:20 rangi be nice in moodle, if you had a recommended reading list for a course
08:20 rangi you could click on a book and reserve it in koha
08:21 rangi those kinda things would be neat and not hard to do
08:21 kf paul_p: that's what I wrote to mason, noone can prevent htem from not checkout out things or do that stunt in the library, there is always a way to steal a book
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08:27 magnuse kia ora #koha
08:27 kf hi magnuse
08:27 magnuse guten tag kf
08:28 alex_a hallo magnuse
08:28 magnuse bonjour alex_a
08:28 jenkins_koha Starting build 261 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
08:28 magnuse rangi or eythian: koha-create should be run as root, right?
08:29 magnuse or rather: with sudo
08:29 rangi yep
08:29 magnuse thanks
08:32 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'kc/new/enh/bug_5579' into kcmaster <[…]6d1c0479f990a6a8c> / Bug 5579: further fancifying <[…]aad83335b33db3606>
08:51 kf @wunder Konstanz
08:51 huginn` kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 12.5�C (10:50 AM CEST on May 27, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014.4 hPa (Steady).
08:51 magnuse @wunder boo
08:51 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 7.0�C (10:20 AM CEST on May 27, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady).
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08:52 magnuse g'day Irma
08:52 Irma hi magnuse ...
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09:04 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6351: Unable to delete branch-specific circulation rule <[…]d8329385638fb1fe1>
09:11 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #261: SUCCESS in 42 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/261/
09:11 jenkins_koha Bug 5579: further fancifying
09:11 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5579 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , Remove items from biblioitems.marcxml
09:11 jenkins_koha Starting build 262 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
09:11 magnuse hm, i assume the mysql password created by koha-create is random, so the only way to log in for the first time is to check /etc/koha/sites/mylibrary/koha-conf.xml?
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09:13 Brooke 0/
09:13 rangi magnuse: you assume right
09:17 magnuse thanks, rangi
09:18 * Brooke thinks arrays are bringing sechsy back.
09:18 magnuse rangi: i may have found a problem with koha-remove: when i do "sudo koha-remove demo" i get "ERROR 1396 (HY000): Operation DROP USER failed for 'koha_demo'@'%'"
09:19 magnuse when i log in to mysql as root i get the same message, but "DROP USER 'koha_demo'@'localhost'" seems to work
09:20 rangi it uses the user in the config file in /etc/mysql/
09:20 rangi it might be the user there doesnt have drop user rights
09:22 magnuse well, i logged in as root and did "DROP USER 'koha_demo'@'%'" and got the same error, but when i replaced % with localhost it worked
09:23 magnuse bbl
09:24 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 6370 - news showing that it's for the opac when it's for the librarian... <[…]e18dafe6896fb7db8>
09:25 rangi ah interesting
09:25 rangi yeah that might be worth filing a bug for
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09:40 slef ok, I'm doing a bit more EDI work. Can anyone tell me why subject headings would be communicated at an item level instead of a biblio one?
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09:45 * Brooke suspects that the answer begins with coz a record is meant to have 3 parts like Gaul.
09:47 slef I wondered if it is so that subject-divided libraries can order copies for each subject area, but why not just use unique identifiers to track the items and orders?
09:52 Brooke there are also different media types
09:53 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #262: SUCCESS in 42 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/262/
09:53 jenkins_koha D Ruth Bavousett: Bug 6351: Unable to delete branch-specific circulation rule
09:53 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6351 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, ruth, ASSIGNED , Cannot delete library-specific circulation rules
09:53 jenkins_koha Starting build 263 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
09:53 hdl1 slef:  can you explain ?
09:59 slef Brooke: different media types doesn't change the subject heading, does it?
09:59 Brooke it could
10:00 Brooke it could also affect the alt authors
10:00 slef hdl1: I was on a teleconference about EDI. Most of the debate was about how to communicate subject headings in EDI item data. I don't understand the use case for that.
10:00 Brooke there are a mess of video sh that aren't present for fiction, for instance
10:01 Brooke as an aside: the stranger an itemtype is, the more like it is to have crappy sh
10:01 slef Brooke: is this something koha supports already?
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10:03 hdl1 slef: :X
10:03 hdl1 I would not dare to say something...
10:03 hdl1 ;)
10:03 kf slef: no subject headings on item level I think - it seems strange to me too
10:04 kf when you get records from your vendor with EDI - why would those sh be on item level?
10:05 kf hm
10:05 kf time for lunch
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10:06 slef ok, thanks all. At least I know a bit more now :)
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10:20 Brooke 0/
10:20 druthb !
10:20 druthb o/
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10:36 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #263: SUCCESS in 42 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/263/
10:36 jenkins_koha Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 6370 - news showing that it's for the opac when it's for the librarian interface
10:36 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6370 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , news showing that it's for the opac when it's for the librarian interface
10:45 * Brooke goes to fish out some waffles.
10:52 kf_lunch is now known as kf
10:53 kf hi druthb
10:53 druthb :)
10:59 magnus_lunch o/
11:00 druthb Hi, Magnus!
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11:19 Brooke @quote add gmcharlt will nobody think of the lurkers?  talk, talk already! ;)
11:19 huginn` Brooke: The operation succeeded.  Quote #138 added.
11:19 Brooke @quote 138
11:19 huginn` Brooke: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
11:19 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn`.
11:20 druthb @quote get 138
11:20 huginn` druthb: Quote #138: "gmcharlt will nobody think of the lurkers? talk, talk already! ;)" (added by Brooke at 11:23 AM, May 27, 2011)
11:20 Brooke ahah have to grep
11:25 hdl1 @quote search nobody
11:25 huginn` hdl1: 2 found: #103: "<cait>: Nobody can find you hiding in ;)" and #138: "gmcharlt will nobody think of the lurkers?..."
11:25 hdl1 @quote search lurkers
11:25 huginn` hdl1: 1 found: #138: "gmcharlt will nobody think of the lurkers?..."
11:25 druthb @quote search bacon
11:25 huginn` druthb: 2 found: #16: "< wizzyrea> i mean, the point of american bacon..." and #17: "<wizzyrea> holy flaming bacon batman!"
11:25 druthb hm.
11:25 druthb @quote search Brooke
11:25 huginn` druthb: 1 found: #104: "<Brooke> not people quoting me *again*"
11:25 druthb lol
11:26 Brooke hehehe
11:26 * Brooke juggles for the developers' amusement.
11:28 hdl1 @quote search druthb
11:28 huginn` hdl1: 2 found: #102: "<druthb> harrrumph!" and #117: "<druthb> basking ? You bask on the"
11:28 hdl1 only ?
11:28 hdl1 @quote search hdl
11:28 huginn` hdl1: No matching quotes were found.
11:28 hdl1 is now known as hdl
11:29 druthb ?
11:29 druthb @quote get 117
11:29 huginn` druthb: Quote #117: "<druthb> basking ? You bask on the does not bask in the Potomac River melt or swelter or something, but you don't bask. :P" (added by jwagner at 01:17 PM, January 24, 2011)
11:29 druthb oh.  :)
11:29 hdl seems the quote base was reset quite recently
11:29 druthb @quote get 1
11:29 huginn` druthb: Quote #1: "<pianohacker> resolve, rather, I doubt it needs lotion" (added by gmcharlt at 03:05 AM, May 31, 2009)
11:29 druthb Two years?
11:30 * Brooke whistles.
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11:45 kf long
11:45 * kf wonders when hugin's and wahanui's birhdays are
11:46 Brooke pfft
11:46 matts is now known as matts_away
11:46 Brooke way more important to observe actual human bdays
11:46 * Brooke suspects she blew right by rosa's with no word.
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11:49 conan hello everyone
11:50 Brooke hola!
11:53 hdl @bday Brooke
11:53 huginn` hdl: I suck
11:54 Brooke is it yours today hdl?
11:54 hdl mmm huginn` don't be so rude... I am a frenchy
11:54 hdl mine is in October
11:54 Brooke wunderbar.
11:55 hdl and yours ?
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12:11 oleonard Hi #koha
12:11 Brooke Good Morning, Mr. Leonard.
12:14 kf hi oleonard :)
12:17 * oleonard wonders what's up for today
12:21 paul_p good morning oleonard  & others
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12:47 kf magnuse++
12:51 magnus_lunch huh?
12:52 oleonard git-bz?
12:52 wahanui git-bz is at[…]_bz_configuration
12:53 * magnus_lunch wanders off to make pizza dough
12:53 magnus_lunch is now known as magnuse
12:57 * Brooke makes a mean pizza dough.
12:57 Brooke woe that I can no longer find Viva yeast, and haven't been able to for years.
13:00 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5714] Unescaped ampersands in OPAC facets <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5714>
13:03 * magnuse isn't sure he wants his pizza dough to be mean... ;-)
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13:08 vfernades hi koha commnuity :)
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13:14 vfernades one question: why adv search on Staff Client when searchin for call number (SI.103) gives non accurate results (MI.103, HI.103)?
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13:17 magnuse hm, because QueryFuzzy is turned on?
13:17 hilongo vfernandes: maybe QueryFuzzy or QueryStemming are 'on' in System Preferences ...  :)
13:18 vfernades yes they are...
13:19 vfernades but with them off the result are the same
13:19 vfernades maybe the . are escaped from the search
13:21 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6120] Add search links in detail pages <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6120>
13:21 hilongo I don't know if the zebra index has to be rebuilt after turning the preferences off....
13:21 vfernades ok i'll try to rebuild the zebra index
13:24 magnuse i don't think that is necessary, but it shouldn't hurt either....
13:25 vfernades let's see... it already reindexing...
13:27 conan I'm getting a strange error, I got this line use C4::Overdues qw(checkoverdues); however I get this error: Undefined subroutine &C4::Circulation::checkoverdues called at /home/koha.3.4.x/C4/
13:27 conan the strange part is that I have the same change working on another VM (!)
13:28 Brooke druthb++
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13:39 vfernades the reindex didn't work
13:39 vfernades :/
13:40 vfernades it still returns "I.103" when the search is "S.103"
13:40 kf conan: have you pushed the fine in days things?
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13:44 magnuse see ya later #koha
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13:48 vfernades noone can help me?
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13:52 sekjal vfernades:  what other Searching system preferences to you have?  QueryAutoStemming?
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14:20 oleonard Hi yhager and talljoy
14:20 talljoy good morning!
14:20 yhager hi
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14:41 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6417] Template variable errors in Guided Reports <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6417>
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15:15 * conan wonders why there are still references to .tmpl in members/
15:21 reiveune bye
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15:21 * library_systems_guy wonders if he can submit a patch with no bug
15:21 wizzyrea wouldn't try it ;)
15:21 oleonard You can but it's not recommended
15:21 library_systems_guy hmm, even if it is just a div id?
15:22 oleonard If no one can find your patch in the list of bugs needing signoff you might never get a signoff
15:23 library_systems_guy o_0
15:23 oleonard wizzyrea: I tried using "git bz attach" and it didn't work unless I specified the commit id
15:23 oleonard Is that not what you've found?
15:23 wizzyrea hmm no, but then again... i've only tried it with one
15:23 wizzyrea a single commit on a branch
15:25 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6408] column alignment off on the patron categories admin <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6408>
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16:11 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6377] fines should be red on patron search <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6377>
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17:16 wizzyrea heh, koha's like this >.>[…]21&type=1&theater
17:16 wizzyrea oh bother,sec
17:17 wizzyrea[…]2157626249531015/
17:17 wizzyrea that's better
17:17 wizzyrea oo
17:17 wizzyrea[…]72157626249531015
17:17 wizzyrea "not every venture is about capital"
17:18 wizzyrea "Doing good is part of our code"
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17:23 cait hi #koha
17:23 wizzyrea caaaiiiiittttt <3
17:23 wizzyrea hi :)
17:24 cait hi liz :)
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17:29 conan cait: hi there
17:29 cait hi conan :)
17:32 conan gotta run, bye all
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17:38 oleonard nengard: Re: Bug 6377, shift-reload?
17:38 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6377 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , fines should be red on patron search
17:39 nengard oleonard ... duh :)
17:41 nengard wizzyrea got your newsletter suggestion and I'll glaldy include something like, would you like to compile it??
17:42 wizzyrea i'm ashamed to admit that I don't remember what it was... but I remember sending it...
17:42 wizzyrea help me out >.< it's been a longish week
17:42 nengard well it was 4 days ago :0
17:42 nengard Sent 4 days, 2 hours, and 37 minutes ago: <wizzyrea> maybe every x number of newsletters it would be cool to do one like this: where we highlight new wiki pages, blog posts, really helpful mailing list posts, etc.
17:42 wizzyrea AHA
17:42 wizzyrea yes
17:43 wizzyrea now i remember
17:43 nengard @later tell hdl i don't have a copy of your master, feel free to assign the bugs to anyone and update them to include the info on the fix
17:43 huginn` nengard: The operation succeeded.
17:44 wizzyrea hmm 40 million people like oreos on facebook, but only 4 million like laughing.
17:44 wizzyrea sorry, 20 million = oreos. reading fail. but still.
17:44 oleonard did the makers of "laughing" promise free Oreos for every like?
17:44 wizzyrea heh no :)
17:45 * oleonard checks his pockets for Oreos
17:45 * oleonard grumbles
17:50 oleonard Thanks nengard
17:51 nengard np - sorry I forgot to shift refresh
18:00 wizzyrea fewer people like hugging than laughing
18:00 slef I can't remember what matchpoint can be in the match parameter of bulkmarcimport. The -h output is uninformative. Can anyone point me the right way?
18:00 wizzyrea what is wrong with people
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18:01 oleonard wizzyrea: If you based anything on my FB profile you'd like I hardly liked anything
18:01 wizzyrea :)
18:03 cait slef: not sure, but my coworker complains when I don't have the matching rules in a special sequence - try the number?
18:03 cait oh
18:03 cait no, bulkmarkimport
18:03 cait forget what I said
18:03 cait thought staged marc import
18:09 slef After reading some more, I think it's probably the search query from the koha OPAC search box.
18:09 slef the prefix
18:10 slef time for a break, then I'll try that
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18:18 Oak night
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18:21 yhager I have koha with nozebra - and I want to change it to zebra - how can I do that?
18:26 library_systems_guy does anybody know what the status of hourly loans is?
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18:29 library_systems_guy yhager, im not 100% sure but i know there are setting for it in your koha-conf.xml file
18:29 library_systems_guy I think i would just rerun the perl build file
18:32 yhager library_systems_guy: how about zebra itself - configuration and running the server?
18:33 library_systems_guy do you mean just configuring zebra
18:33 library_systems_guy i just followed the instructions in the install file (so make it a daemon)
18:34 library_systems_guy but i think that has some mixed feelings around here
18:34 library_systems_guy but im not sure why you wouldn't make it a daemon
18:34 wizzyrea nah you have to have to make it a daemon to get search results
18:34 wizzyrea you just don't want the daemon actually doing your indexing
18:34 wizzyrea if I understand correctly
18:34 library_systems_guy ahh
18:34 wizzyrea something about a memory leak
18:34 library_systems_guy thanks wizzyrea
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18:54 slef library_systems_guy: search bugs or wiki to find the bug or RFC?
18:54 slef hourly loans?
18:54 wahanui hourly loans are indeed on the horizon, that would help you. Patron records can be kept indefinitely (though probably you'd want to archive them periodically
18:54 slef rfc?
18:54 slef wiki?
18:54 slef bah
18:54 slef rfcs?
18:54 wahanui rfcs are here: http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.[…]DI-td3049357.html
18:54 slef wahanui: forget rfcs
18:54 wahanui slef: I forgot rfcs
18:55 slef wahanui: rfcs are
18:55 wahanui OK, slef.
18:55 slef library_systems_guy:[…]/Hourly_Loans_RFC
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18:58 library_systems_guy well i noticed it was supposed to be done in like december
18:59 library_systems_guy but i just didn't know what the actual status was
18:59 library_systems_guy i guess i should ask sekjal
19:00 sekjal coding is underway
19:01 library_systems_guy ok cool
19:01 library_systems_guy our circ librarian is running around with her hair on fire
19:05 wizzyrea ! put her out!
19:06 nengard LOL
19:06 library_systems_guy i would if i could find her...she is mad about us switching ILS's
19:06 wizzyrea rather, douse the flames!
19:06 library_systems_guy she has ceased speaking to us :'(
19:06 library_systems_guy nengard knows what im talking about
19:06 nengard oh boy
19:06 slef a whole new meaning to firing the librarian
19:06 wizzyrea maybe she'd talk to you if you, you know, put out the FIRE IN HER HAIR
19:06 nengard i knew she wasn't talking to me ... didn't know it spread to everyone
19:07 * wizzyrea teases of course
19:07 library_systems_guy yeah well...i told her i wasn't changing Koha wording to match Sirsi
19:07 nengard HA
19:07 nengard the point is to change!!
19:07 wizzyrea library_systems_guy: secret: we did -- for a while
19:07 wizzyrea hold queue = pick list
19:08 slef Koha should be using ODLIS wording
19:08 slef what does Sirsi use?
19:08 library_systems_guy idk im library_systems_guy
19:08 slef ODLIS?
19:09 * library_systems_guy is confused
19:09 slef ODLIS is
19:09 slef library_systems_guy: shh, I'm testing wahanui
19:09 slef ODLIS?
19:09 wahanui ODLIS is, like,
19:09 wizzyrea it's kind of a secret that we changed wording to match sirsi when we first went live on koha
19:09 wizzyrea but we're back to stock wording now that people feel happy with koha
19:09 library_systems_guy really?!?!
19:10 wizzyrea some
19:10 wizzyrea yep
19:10 * library_systems_guy didn't hear that
19:10 sekjal slef: that link returns an error for me
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19:10 wizzyrea just curious, what wording?
19:10 library_systems_guy yeah me too slef
19:10 library_systems_guy she handed me a stack of paper literally 3" thick
19:10 slef hehe
19:10 wizzyrea oh yea you've gotta leave on the schmuts.asp
19:10 slef that'll teach me not to copy-paste
19:11 wizzyrea wahanui, forget ODLIS
19:11 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot odlis
19:11 slef ODLIS is
19:11 wizzyrea there ya go
19:12 wizzyrea ok, yes, I agree library_systems_guy that might be a bit much
19:12 slef aspx is a turd on the end of a web address
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19:12 library_systems_guy right, i offered to make her a cheat sheet for conversions that she could learn at her leisure
19:12 library_systems_guy she didn't take that too well :'(
19:13 * library_systems_guy was just trying to help
19:13 wizzyrea hmm
19:13 wizzyrea what are the biggies?
19:13 wizzyrea hold queue => pick list was a biggie for us
19:13 library_systems_guy i can find out for you, but i don't know right off the top of my head
19:13 wizzyrea o i thought you might have the dead tree near ya :_
19:13 wizzyrea :)
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19:14 library_systems_guy hehe no i recycled it :)
19:14 wizzyrea lol
19:14 oleonard yay, internet is back
19:14 wizzyrea wooo!
19:14 slef from a mailing list message yesterday: "hidden form fields and the scattering of javascript all over the page like a dog markings its turf is horrible - who ever came up with the postback model needs their head examined"
19:15 wizzyrea !
19:15 library_systems_guy wb oleonard
19:15 yhager can't get amazon reviews to show on OPAC - is this a known problem? (I have my aws access/private keys set)
19:15 wizzyrea what version of koha
19:15 oleonard yhager: Known problem
19:16 yhager wizzyrea: 3.2.5 - will upgrade to 3.4.1 soon
19:16 oleonard yhager: The Amazon API changed and no one has rewritten to accommodate it
19:16 wizzyrea oh yea, review, not cover. known problem --> amazon's fault
19:16 oleonard Amazon's fault, but it's up to us to fix
19:16 wizzyrea I thought there was some question if we could use it at all?
19:16 yhager I also can get "title notes", only if I set the amazon locale to be american. If I set it to Canadian, the title notes do not appear as well
19:17 oleonard I think there is
19:17 library_systems_guy a lot of our ebooks fail from amazon because of a different isbn
19:18 library_systems_guy its like 2 digits off :-/
19:19 wizzyrea :( that's stinky.
19:19 library_systems_guy i we have to look at syndedics (sp)
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19:20 * oleonard thinks that mooching off Amazon is probably bad long-term strategy anyway
19:20 wizzyrea *nod*
19:20 oleonard ...although when it was added we were told Amazon encouraged it.
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19:23 library_systems_guy well im sure if they can sell a book or 2 its worth it
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19:28 oleonard Here's the scoop from the good ole days:[…]-12/msg00145.html
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19:29 oleonard Of course the legality of it may have changed, and should really require independent verification anyway given the source
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19:32 Brooke #2 Baby!!!
19:32 Brooke[…]index.html?hpt=C2
19:32 Brooke Eat your <3 out Nancy Pearl!
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19:35 Brooke 0/
19:35 wizzyrea hm the default behavior is to do it live, wonder if the 1k retrievals a day still stands
19:35 chris_n internet... gotta love it :P
19:36 wizzyrea cuz, I don't think I've ever seen a koha that caches
19:36 wizzyrea I didn't even know it did that
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19:36 wizzyrea (could) do that
19:36 oleonard Yeah, that's one of the problems with listening to that person talk about Koha: it's not always all true
19:36 oleonard Even in the good old days
19:36 oleonard "Koha can be configured to periodically download content en masse and
19:36 oleonard locally cache the content on one of your library services and
19:36 oleonard serve it to your users via the OPAC"
19:36 oleonard I don't think that was ever true
19:37 Brooke it can serve me breakfast!
19:37 Brooke *notintendedasafactualstatement
19:37 wizzyrea hm
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19:37 Brooke 0/
19:37 * conan is back
19:38 * Brooke hears fernando
19:38 slef oleonard: mmm, kados?
19:38 oleonard slef: Yes
19:39 slef oleonard: yeah, caused us problems with clients hearing that, then asking why their Koha didn't do that
19:39 wizzyrea oh, so some version of liblime ils might do this?
19:39 conan Brooke: have nothing to say, except that I need a nap but I'm so behind with koha-dev ML that I want to read some more messages before crashing
19:40 wizzyrea or afawk it was never done
19:40 wizzyrea (practically speaking if it is in liblime ils it was never done, as we don't have it)
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19:42 oleonard wizzyrea: I don't believe that functionality ever existed
19:42 slef wizzyrea: I'd be surprised, but rangi might be able to diff with the liblime git tree he snarfed
19:43 wizzyrea sadly even that's not yet got all of the LEK stuff in it, afaict (according to the release notes)
19:44 skushner I think i finally did it.
19:44 wizzyrea please, share your victory :)
19:46 skushner I *think* I got the squeeze kernel netbooting to my sun box (I hope..i hope..)
19:46 skushner finally!!
19:46 skushner I hope...
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19:46 skushner and...i am spent..
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19:48 skushner just in time to..or vm server is in..
19:49 wizzyrea skushner:  yay!
19:49 rangi naw that was never part of koha
19:49 rangi mostly because its illegal
19:49 rangi or at least breachings terms and conditions
19:49 oleonard "Unsuitable applications include those that: (a) do not have as their principal purpose advertising and marketing the Amazon Site and driving sales of products and services on the Amazon Site;"
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19:49 oleonard https://affiliate-program.amaz[…]ssoc-api-detail-0
19:50 slef yeah I suspect I mentioned that at some point
19:50 rangi yup
19:50 rangi openlibrary
19:50 rangi someone should give me some time
19:51 rangi to finish the covers work i did with that
19:51 * wizzyrea conjures time for rangi
19:51 rangi they and just ditch amazon
19:52 oleonard In that case maybe Bug 5568 is "wonfix"
19:52 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5568 normal, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW , Upgrade Amazon module to support Product Advertising API
19:53 rangi well, someone might
19:53 rangi and i wouldnt not accept it, if it stuck to the T&C
19:53 rangi but im not going to fix it
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20:02 chris_n shooting the moon with the internet is not all its cracked up to be ;-)
20:03 slef chris_n: satellite?
20:03 chris_n not exactly; more like a wet pedestal that the telco can't seem to locate
20:04 * chris_n thinks the rain-fade on satellite might be preferable to the total dsl signal loss though
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20:05 rhcl can we, or has anyone tried using Google images?
20:05 wizzyrea chris_n: eww
20:05 wizzyrea for books?
20:05 wizzyrea that's in now
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20:05 oleonard Have a good weekend everyone
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20:06 wizzyrea by... he's so fast on that quit button.
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20:06 rhcl I was told to ask, so don't have any personal background on the issue, but maybe the question is "do any of you use google images instead of amazon"?
20:07 wizzyrea my experience has been that google covers a lot fewer books
20:07 conan wizzyrea: we all wanna run away on friday
20:07 wizzyrea :) true enough
20:07 wizzyrea rhcl: it does work though
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20:10 rangi yep a have a bunch of libraries that use google books
20:10 rangi s/a have/i have/
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20:10 rangi they are getting more and more results all the time
20:11 wizzyrea that's good to know
20:11 wizzyrea it's been months since I tried google
20:11 wizzyrea for covers
20:11 rangi openlibrary was pretty good
20:13 chris_n we use google books with fairly good success
20:13 rangi[…]heads/openlibrary
20:14 rangi someone could grab this, and fix/finish it if they wanted
20:14 rangi id give them a chocolate fish
20:14 cait chocolate fish?
20:15 rangi ignore the broken css
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20:15 rangi in my gitweb
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20:15 rangi
20:16 skushner Anybody have a suggestion for a good linux mail server to replace ms-exchange..??
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20:17 rangi postfix
20:18 rangi its just to do mail eh? not to do the other mad stuff exchange does?
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20:19 rangi yo NateC !
20:19 library_systems_guy blargh exchange
20:19 NateC Hiya rangi!
20:20 NateC gotta run see you all later!!
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20:22 magnuse g'evening #koha
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20:26 conan magnuse: hi
20:26 magnuse hola conan
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20:30 skushner mail, primarily..calendars, maybe.
20:31 bg zimbra?
20:31 bg
20:31 bg skushner: you look at that before?
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20:34 skushner nope, but will check it out
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20:37 skushner thanks, bg. don't want to put any MS on our new VM server...
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20:42 rangi sometimes im a spaz
20:42 rangi oh i know, doing a release isnt stressful enough, ill do it in front of an audience
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20:43 rangi i need someone to read my emails before i send them :)
20:43 wizzyrea hee
20:43 magnuse hehe
20:43 magnuse well, i'd sure like to be able to be there...
20:45 cait huh?
20:46 rangi (email to the koha list)
20:46 cait ah
20:47 cait hm, now access gets really tempting :)
20:47 magnuse yeah, that's what i thought too
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20:48 * cait loves hackfests
20:49 rangi did you see the program lots of good talks too
20:49 cait yes, read it :)
20:50 * magnuse tried to avoid reading, so as not to get too tempted...
20:51 rangi hehe
20:51 * conan still haven't finished the fight thread
20:51 rangi what fight?
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20:52 rangi if you have ever been on any other mailing list, you'll notice we dont really have fights :)
20:52 magnuse there's a fight?
20:52 rangi discussions, but we never get into stupid flamewar territory .. i could show you some of those that would make your hair curl
20:53 rangi then its back to nz, to speak / work a booth at LIANZA
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21:00 conan rangi: yeah, poor choose of the proper term from me, but you got what I mean... I think
21:01 rangi which one, the social engineering one?
21:05 conan I got >100 mails behind this weel
21:05 conan *week
21:06 conan I'm reading "Release Manager 3.6" thread
21:06 rangi oh thats not even had any mail this week
21:06 conan I hope there is a solution at the end
21:06 conan true
21:06 rangi sure there is
21:06 rangi if you cant find anyone outside your organisation to sign off on your patches
21:06 rangi get someone inside to sign, then it goes up to qa
21:07 rangi there is, and never will be, any patch guaranteed to make it into koha tho, not in 3.6
21:07 rangi maybe after me a diff release manager will change it, but for 3.6 everyone gets treated the same
21:08 rangi no favourties
21:08 rangi or favourites :)
21:08 wizzyrea favourties - the things you get at parties.
21:08 wizzyrea sorry I know that's not true.
21:08 wizzyrea but it's funny all the same
21:08 wizzyrea i have a soft spot for weirdly combined words
21:09 cait I like this rm's rules
21:09 magnuse +1
21:09 cait oh... and I have a patch waiting for sign-off in bugzilla...
21:09 rangi hehe
21:09 cait evil but... easy to test...
21:09 * magnuse finally caught up with the lists this week, strange but good feeling
21:10 * rangi never fully catches up
21:10 magnuse cait: i was thinking about testing that before beddybyes
21:10 conan rangi: I agree with no special cases
21:11 cait magnuse: next time in nz I will buy you a chocolate fish
21:12 conan magnuse: I have >500 on the other list, I think I will overlook those
21:13 magnuse conan: yeah, i route the patches and bugs mails into a folder and sometimes have to delete a bunch unread...
21:13 magnuse cait: cool! ;-)
21:14 rangi i usually read all those, and devel, im usually behind a lot on the main list tho
21:14 rangi kinda have to read all the bugs
21:15 rangi ok will bbiab
21:15 cait cya rangi
21:17 conan bbiab? that's a "bye" in some language? bye then!
21:17 magnuse be back in a bit, i think?
21:18 magnuse bbiab is Be Back In A Bit
21:18 magnuse bbiab?
21:18 wahanui bbiab is Be Back In A Bit
21:18 wizzyrea afk is away from keyboard
21:18 wizzyrea afaik is as far as I know
21:18 wizzyrea tbh is to be honest
21:19 wizzyrea imo is in my opinion
21:19 wizzyrea imho is in my humble opinion
21:19 wizzyrea not "I M ho" as i'm sure some believed at some point in internet history.
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21:23 magnuse hehe
21:23 slef tla is three letter acronym
21:24 slef etla is extended three letter acronym
21:24 slef nfc is no fine clue
21:24 slef nfi is no fine idea
21:25 slef snafu is situation normal: all f'd up
21:25 slef fubar is f'd up beyond all recognition
21:25 slef pubfood is probably universally bastardised, f'd-over or destroyed
21:25 wizzyrea wtf is what the f***
21:26 wizzyrea omg is oh my gosh
21:26 wizzyrea rofl is rolling on floor laughing
21:26 wizzyrea lmao is laughing my (bum) off
21:27 wizzyrea wtf?
21:27 slef arse is unacceptably sweary?
21:27 library_systems_guy apparently i missed an interesting conversation
21:27 wizzyrea nah
21:27 wizzyrea we may have killed wahanui lol
21:27 slef omg?
21:27 wahanui omg is oh wizzyrea's gosh
21:27 wizzyrea !
21:27 slef close
21:28 wizzyrea lmao?
21:28 wahanui lmao is laughing your (bum) off
21:28 slef arse?
21:28 wahanui hmmm... arse is unacceptably sweary?
21:28 wizzyrea hehehehe
21:29 pianohacker rotflmao?
21:29 pianohacker omgwtfroflcopterbbq?
21:29 magnuse wow, it's friday ;-)
21:29 pianohacker :
21:29 pianohacker )
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21:31 cait lol
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21:31 cait definitely friday :)
21:33 conan for a moment I thought wizzyrea was training me, I didn't know what to say
21:33 wizzyrea no no :)
21:33 wizzyrea i'm helping!
21:33 wizzyrea so when someone goes
21:33 wizzyrea rofl?
21:33 wahanui rofl is, like, rolling on floor laughing
21:34 wizzyrea :)
21:34 wizzyrea rotflmao is rolling on the floor laughing my arse off
21:34 wizzyrea torflmao?
21:34 wizzyrea lol dangit
21:34 wizzyrea rotflmao?
21:34 wahanui rotflmao is rolling on the floor laughing your arse off
21:35 pianohacker omgwtfroflcopterbbq is oh my goodness, why, that flying roflcopter is having a bbq
21:35 wizzyrea LOL!
21:36 magnuse hehe
21:36 wizzyrea pianohacker++
21:36 wizzyrea that made me laugh
21:36 pianohacker :)
21:36 cait lol
21:41 slef omgwtfroflcopterbbq?
21:41 wizzyrea !
21:41 * wizzyrea frowns
21:41 slef I think wahanui is tired
21:42 wizzyrea i just watched a video on the tongue mechanics of hummingbirds. It's definitely friday
21:42 magnuse hehe
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22:26 bg @wunder 93109
22:26 huginn` bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 26.3�C (3:30 PM PDT on May 27, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.84 in 1010.4 hPa (Falling). Wind Advisory in effect until 3 am PDT Monday...
22:26 bg yup hot out there
22:26 magnuse @wunder boo
22:26 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 8.0�C (11:50 PM CEST on May 27, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Windchill: 6.0�C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1002 hPa (Steady).
22:27 magnuse nah
22:27 pianohacker @wunder 80401
22:27 huginn` pianohacker: The current temperature in Lookout Pointe, Golden, Colorado is 17.8�C (4:31 PM MDT on May 27, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Pressure: 29.60 in 1002.3 hPa (Steady).
22:29 magnuse g'night #koha - see ya tomorrow!
22:29 bg heh
22:30 magnuse is now known as magnus_away
22:30 * bg gets the win today :0
22:30 bg :)
22:30 pianohacker definitely most degrees :)
22:30 cait @wunder Konstnaz
22:30 huginn` cait: Error: No such location could be found.
22:30 cait @wunder Konstanz
22:30 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 9.0�C (12:25 AM CEST on May 28, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Windchill: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.10 in 1019.2 hPa (Steady).
22:30 cait could win for coldest?
22:30 pianohacker I'm just happy because I'm biking 2.5 miles to work, and the weather's been about perfect for it
22:30 wizzyrea @wunder lawrence, ks
22:30 huginn` wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 16.4�C (5:34 PM CDT on May 27, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.72 in 1006.3 hPa (Rising).
22:30 bg no cait magnus_away just bet ya
22:31 bg s/bet/beat/
22:31 cait ah, but he has gone to bed... :)
22:31 bg heh - so you win YAY cait++
22:31 cait ok, perhaps cheating a little
22:32 bg nope he's _away
22:32 bg :)
22:32 cait it's really a bit chilly out there tonight
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22:32 pianohacker your humidity's crazy high, which makes it worse
22:33 pianohacker Okay, I knew the humidity where my parents are living is crazy low:
22:33 pianohacker @wunder trinidad, co
22:33 huginn` pianohacker: The current temperature in Near Trinidad State Junior College, Trinidad, Colorado is 30.0�C (4:37 PM MDT on May 27, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 12%. Dew Point: -2.0�C. Pressure: 29.25 in 990.4 hPa (Steady).
22:34 cait lot's of rain today
22:35 cait and the lake might matter too
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22:38 cait hi paul_p
22:38 cait late!
22:38 cait bed time for me - good night #koha
22:39 slef sfr = mobile?
22:39 pianohacker buenas noches
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