IRC log for #koha, 2011-05-26

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00:10 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #259: SUCCESS in 41 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/259/
00:10 jenkins_koha Liz Rea: Bug 6258 - Guided reports wizard 'Build new' brings up empty page
00:10 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6258 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, wizzyrea, ASSIGNED , Guided reports wizard 'Build new' brings up empty page
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00:39 glernil good day!
00:40 Soupermanito :) good
00:40 glernil i would like to upgrade my installation of koha 3.2 to 3.4. Do i have to upgrade first 3.2 to 3.2.9 or could i upgrade it to 3.4 directly?
00:47 eythian glernil: you're on the debian packages, right?
00:47 glernil yup!
00:48 eythian which means you're probably running 3.2.9 already
00:48 eythian there's is no "official" 3.4 packages, but there are some for people to test available
00:49 eythian to get to them, you change "squeeze" in your sources.list to "squeeze-dev"
00:49 glernil so it means that i shouldnt upgrade my installation for the mean time and wait for the official release?
00:50 eythian it's up to you. I'd like more people to be testing it for me :)
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01:35 glernil eythian: when i rebuild the index using "/usr/share/koha/bin/migrat​ion_tools/ -b -r" an error occurs saying "BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha/bin/migrat​ion_tools/ -b -r line 6"
01:35 eythian don't do that
01:35 eythian :)
01:35 eythian is that the exact command you're using?
01:36 glernil yup
01:36 eythian and is that all of the error message?
01:36 eythian oh, the error message is correct because that's not how you're supposed to run it
01:36 glernil i have to rebuild my index because there's no record being shown in my search... exactly the same command
01:37 eythian sudo koha-rebuild-zebra --full <name of library>
01:37 glernil so how should I run that?
01:37 glernil got to try
01:37 eythian (where <name of library> is the name of the koha instance
01:37 eythian although, before that, try: sudo /etc/init.d/koha-common restart
01:39 glernil when i try to restart using the last command you gave and error occured failed to stop the collegelib-koha-zebra daemon: no such process
01:39 glernil is it just ok
01:39 glernil ?
01:40 eythian try it one more time, if it says nothing, then it's OK
01:40 eythian but that very much looks like that it would be the cause of your search not working problem
01:44 glernil eythian: it worked!
01:44 eythian coolness
01:44 glernil do i have to do that everytime i update or add records and items?
01:45 eythian no, the daemon is running all the time (normally), and every 5 minutes a cron job runs to reindex the things that have been changed/added.
01:45 eythian It's the daemon that responds to search requests though, so it needs to be running.
01:45 glernil i see
01:45 eythian I wonder if something's happened in 3.4 that stops it starting on installation...
01:45 glernil so it is already running right?
01:45 eythian oh, I know what it is
01:46 eythian it doesn't get started when you create a library maybe...
01:46 eythian I should check that
01:46 eythian yep, if search is working, then it's running
01:48 glernil got it! and the default settings in crontab example is included?
01:50 eythian yes, it should have been installed into /etc/cron.d/koha-common
01:52 glernil one more thing.. is there any docu/ wiki where the complete list of commands in the koha-common debian package can be seen?
02:01 wizzyrea rangi++ for finding git bz
02:03 eythian hey, I found git-bz, he just fixed it :)
02:03 eythian glernil: not really. There's a bit of a list on the wiki page, but it doesn't cover all of them
02:03 eythian you can always do ls /usr/sbin/koha-* to see all of them :)
02:06 eythian I need to convince Nicole that she wants to write man pages for all of them one of these days :)
02:08 rangi hehe
02:11 glernil that's great.. looking forward on that... I'm impressed on the easiness of the debian installation process using koha-common package
02:12 eythian :)
02:12 eythian glernil: oh, did you end up bringing it up to 3.4?
02:13 glernil eythian: not yet... i'll test first 3.2... working on notice sending
02:13 eythian sure thing. I'd be interested to know if you find any issues related to the packaging or OS integration if you do upgrade.
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02:16 wizzyrea hi irma, brooke :)
02:16 Brooke 0/
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02:20 Space_Librarian afternoon Irma
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02:28 Brooke 0/
02:29 rangi hey Brooke and Irma
02:29 rangi hi Ahmuck
02:29 Brooke :)
02:29 Ahmuck hi Brooke
02:29 Ahmuck er, hi rangi
02:33 Space_Librarian hey Brooke
02:36 Brooke howdy
02:36 wahanui hi, Brooke
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03:16 Brooke 0/
03:16 rangi heya pauln
03:19 Soupermanito :) it took me like 4 hours but now i have a virtualmachine in which im installing koha :D
03:20 pauln g'day
03:21 pauln still got no word back form conf committee about their suggestions for how they are thinking demo session would work
03:21 rangi ahh, thats less than optimal :)
03:26 pauln in the meantime i had a brainwave that we could instead be an exhibitor ;)
03:26 pauln that way we've got 3 days to do plenty of demos to different groups
03:27 rangi ahh yeah catalyst has a booth
03:27 rangi we can use some of it for Koha librarians to use to demo :)
03:27 rangi  <-- we are 29
03:28 rangi so actually running rolling demos there would work just fine :)
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03:28 pauln right on
03:30 pauln ill work on the abstract over the weekend anyway and let you have a look Monday
03:30 rangi awesome
03:31 pauln bit late on it i know, but we will give the committee very possible chance to feedback!
03:31 rangi :)
03:34 pauln easy enough to sort out a demo schedule at the time depending on who is there you reckon?
03:35 pauln and that acquisitions thing is still at the bottom
03:35 rangi dangit
03:36 rangi pauln: yeah i reckon easy enough to do that
03:37 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6340: Pagination bar on guided reports result page broken <[…]8ac168b0c6b08d5db>
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03:43 jenkins_koha Starting build 260 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
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03:50 Soupermanito question, i am installing koha on ubuntu, and im being asked something about "nullmailer" what should i answer to it?
03:51 Soupermanito something about "system mail" i think
03:51 eythian I hate how it always tries to install that on Ubuntu
03:51 eythian I'd say just don't do anything, and when it's done, replace it with postfix, which is a much better thing to use
03:51 Soupermanito so i say 'cancel' then?
03:51 eythian I don't know what it's asking
03:52 Soupermanito want a screenshot?
03:52 eythian but perhaps
03:52 eythian No
03:52 eythian you could just tell me
03:52 eythian either way, it probably won't hurt whatever you do, if the next thing is to remove it
03:52 Soupermanito okay
03:52 Soupermanito :)
03:53 Soupermanito i just cancelled it
04:12 Soupermanito after runing misc/ I get:
04:13 Soupermanito oh nevermind
04:13 Soupermanito i had to keep reading
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04:19 Space_Librarian hey cait
04:20 cait hi Space_Librarian :)
04:23 Brooke 0/
04:25 cait hi Brooke - go to bed
04:25 Brooke nu :P
04:25 cait or go to work for me... so I can sleep longer :P
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04:26 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #260: SUCCESS in 42 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/260/
04:26 jenkins_koha Katrin Fischer: Bug 6340: Pagination bar on guided reports result page broken
04:26 * Brooke will work for food.
04:26 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6340 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED , Pagination bar on guided reports result page broken
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04:29 cait I think we have still some ice cream in the fridge at work..
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04:55 cait rangi: around?
04:55 Space_Librarian he may be roaming on his phone...
04:57 * Brooke sings a few bars of home on the range.
04:57 cait ah
04:57 cait only a git bz question
04:57 cait trying it out... will see if bug explodes :)
04:57 * Space_Librarian sings where the kiwi and kakapo play...
04:58 Space_Librarian cait: sounds like fun!
04:58 cait hm didn't work
04:59 eythian rangi is at beer
04:59 ibeardslee beer?
04:59 wahanui beer is proof that god loves us and wants us to be happy.
04:59 Space_Librarian preach it bot!
04:59 eythian ibeardslee: you have an alert for that word, huh?
04:59 * cait is very tempted to write a forget command
04:59 ibeardslee I just happened to glance in the screen .. honest
05:00 eythian cait: it would never last
05:00 cait well... for my day it would
05:00 Space_Librarian ibeardslee: why don't I believe you?
05:00 Brooke ibeardslee?
05:01 ibeardslee Space_Librarian: you are a doubting thomas .. doubting shelley
05:01 Space_Librarian Nah, just cynical.
05:01 ibeardslee Brooke?
05:01 wahanui Brooke is, like, deprecated
05:01 Brooke hehe
05:02 ibeardslee oh things happen when you do that
05:02 cait aha
05:03 * eythian proceeds to beer
05:03 Brooke drink one to twelve for me, mate.
05:03 cait already beer o clock ?
05:03 Space_Librarian that's tomorrow
05:04 Brooke not if I'm having a rough night tonight :P
05:04 Space_Librarian true
05:04 * Brooke laments that Hendricks' and nummahs do not mix well.
05:05 cait ah, confusing times again
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05:19 Brooke 0/
05:30 cait hm
05:30 cait has someone tested printing barcodes recently?
05:30 * Brooke shudders.
05:39 Brooke
05:39 Brooke rawr
05:50 Ropuch Morning #koha
05:52 cait hi Ropuch
05:53 cait :)
05:54 Ropuch Hi cait :)
05:59 Brooke morning
06:00 cait git-bz++
06:00 cait @karma git-bz
06:00 huginn` cait: Karma for "git-bz" has been increased 2 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 2.
06:09 cait @wunder Konstanz
06:09 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 14.0�C (8:00 AM CEST on May 26, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 30.03 in 1017 hPa (Falling).
06:10 Ropuch @wunder Wrocław
06:10 huginn` Ropuch: The current temperature in Wroclaw, Poland is 13.0�C (8:00 AM CEST on May 26, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Falling).
06:11 cait I win ;)
06:12 Ropuch hehe
06:29 Brooke bid!
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06:34 alex_a hi #koha
06:35 alex_a @wunder marseille
06:35 huginn` alex_a: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 23.0�C (8:30 AM CEST on May 26, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
06:35 alex_a cait: *I* win
06:35 alex_a :p
06:35 cait oh, the game was already over...
06:35 cait :P
06:36 cait @wunder Konstanz
06:36 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 15.9�C (8:35 AM CEST on May 26, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1015.5 hPa (Steady).
06:36 cait ok, you win
06:36 alex_a ;)
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06:39 francharb hello #koha
06:40 cait hi francharb :)
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07:05 kf good morning #koha
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07:09 Ropuch Hello kf [;
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07:14 kf hi again Ropuch :)
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07:30 magnuse kia ora #koha
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07:42 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6410] Returns use wrong borrower number var name <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6410>
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07:50 jransom Got permission tonight to come to KohaCon11 - yay :)
07:56 pianohacker beeeeed
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07:57 magnuse cool - difinitely ;-)
07:57 jransom I know - so excited.
07:58 magnuse hey - i have been promoting koha here:[…]11/in/photostream for three days now, proudly wearing my Horowhenua pin ;-)
08:00 jransom oh wow
08:00 jransom that screenis amazing - is that northern lights?
08:03 magnuse yup
08:04 magnuse i could have taken them down to put up my big koha logo, but i thought it was better to let them hang
08:04 jransom maybe kohacon in norway sometime ...
08:04 magnuse difinitely! ;-)
08:04 magnuse but give us 3-4 years to get some actual libraries using koha... ;-)
08:05 magnuse and be prepared for an expensive trip...
08:05 jransom and us time to save up!
08:05 magnuse i'd love to show y'all the midnight sun!
08:05 jransom i would love to see it... your photos are truly wonderful
08:06 * magnuse blushes
08:06 magnuse northern norway IS wonderful
08:07 jransom OK - well I am off to cuddle the bambini for a while
08:08 jransom nice 'chatting'
08:08 magnuse have a nice cuddle!
08:08 jransom :)
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08:08 slef sure, I'd do a kohacon presentation on Makefile.PL, maybe a double-header with hdl on the web installer?  Now, who wants to pay for me to go to India? ;-)
08:09 slef morning all
08:09 hdl hi
08:09 wahanui hey, hdl
08:13 kf1 ah now I missed jo
08:13 kf1 hi magnuse and hdl, slef :)
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08:14 slef kf1: is that a bad attempt at concealing your nickname?
08:14 reiveune1 hello
08:14 slef I don't think adding a 1 will confuse many people.
08:14 slef reiveune1: salut
08:14 wahanui what's up, slef
08:15 slef wahanui: who asked you?
08:15 wahanui bugger all, i dunno, slef
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08:18 sunil hi
08:18 wahanui privet, sunil
08:19 sunil i have one problem in koha
08:20 sunil hi chis
08:21 sunil hi rangi
08:21 sunil anyone ther
08:22 hdl hi sunil
08:23 hdl hi all
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09:13 kf1 slef: sorry, we had a staff meeting
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09:13 kf now it shoudl be better :)
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10:18 druthb o/
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10:56 bigbrovar Hi guys
11:01 bigbrovar has anyone upgraded from koha 3.2 to 3.4 is it recommended?
11:07 kf i would go to 3.4.1
11:07 kf if you want to update
11:08 kf and test it on a demo database first
11:09 kf or wait a little longer for 3.4.2
11:09 kf there are still some smaller issues with TT that will be solved in that release
11:10 druthb bigbrovar: we've got a number of sites testing out 3.4.1; seems to be mostly okay--few little things here and there, mostly templating issues.
11:11 druthb ...and the upgrade is not hard.  Run, and you need to run the script in misc/maintenance to remove the item records from marc/marcxml, and reindex.
11:12 bigbrovar kf: ok, I will wait then, our koha instance even though not online yet is almost complete in terms of functionality . just waiting for management to approve, I was pulled off my work on koha for our library (which is mostly done as a personal project and non paid work) to other school IT needs, came back and BOOM there is a 3.4 release. lol
11:14 bigbrovar druthb: would give it a go, reading the releae note for 3.4, its massive! like I wanna give it a go on a test machine asap, and it I can get it to the point I have 3.2 I would just do a clean install and start from scratch.
11:15 druthb There are a *lot* of patches in a 3.2-3.4 upgrade, too true.  But we've run it clean a number of times here, no major worries.
11:16 bigbrovar Ok then, I will give it a go, if things gets jammed up, I always have u guys anyways ;p
11:17 druthb yup.  :D
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11:37 conan hello everysoul
11:37 conan kf: thanks for your explanation about 6328
11:37 danmc once installed, will koha read most of its configuration from a single file or small set of files, or do I really need to set all the options like WEBMASTER_EMAIL, WEBSERVER_DOMAIN, etc at build time?
11:38 kf conan: you are welcome
11:38 kf hope it was understandable :)
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11:41 conan kf: yes, pretty clear. I didn't understand why someone would use 'XXX', so my first tought was that someone screwed
11:41 conan maybe I haven't read all the necesary documentation in the wiki
11:42 kf I think there was a text somewhere about db updates
11:42 kf let me find it
11:42 kf there is someinformation here:[…]ystem_Preferences
11:43 kf and here:[…]ng_Database_Files
11:47 conan how do you find in git from what version have you branched?
11:48 kf hm
11:48 kf I am not sure
11:48 conan I know which version was, but I wonder how would I do if I forget or if I find somebody else's branch
11:48 kf you could check git log for the commitid
11:48 conan hum... that hash doesn't tell me much
11:49 conan let me explain with an example
11:49 conan I do 'git checkout -b mybranch v3.04.00'
11:49 conan then I only get 'mybranch' for all clue
11:50 conan how do I ask git from wich tag/branch did that came?
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11:51 conan google is my friend: git show-branch
11:52 kf :)
11:52 kf see, now I learned something new too :)
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12:32 conan kf_mgt: one more thing, if I apply 6328 updating versions appropriately on a production system, then I will have to fix on every update?
12:33 conan cause I'll probably choose the next number following '', but then a change from master will have that number, but for another set of changes
12:33 conan what's the proper way of handling this?
12:34 oleonard conan: You could to the db update manually instead of applying the update to
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13:37 conan kf_mgt: you around?
13:42 conan the debarrement one sets in tools>Overdue notice/status triggers is applied by a cronjob?
13:43 sekjal conan:  correct
13:43 sekjal misc/cronjobs/
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14:07 kf conan: now :)
14:07 kf hi sekjal
14:08 sekjal hi, kf!
14:08 kf :)
14:11 wizzyrea sekjal: re 5579 for things like that "further enhancement" would it be better to have a separate bug (for my info -- I just followed what was on the bug on that one
14:12 sekjal wizzyrea: I think so.  once the bug the initial patch is committed and working
14:13 wizzyrea k that's what I thought
14:13 * wizzyrea idly wonders if git bz can create bugs too
14:15 oleonard wizzyrea: I assume you can use it to attach patches to bugs?
14:15 wizzyrea yes, oleonard -- it's GLORIOUS.
14:15 wizzyrea :)
14:15 wizzyrea instructions are coming right now to the wiki near you
14:15 oleonard Excellent.
14:16 wizzyrea just waiting for my dropbox to sync :)
14:16 oleonard I got through the setup and tried using to apply a patch from a bug, and that was glorious
14:17 wizzyrea there's one catch about attaching patches to bugs
14:17 wizzyrea you have to get a firefox cookie with your login creds on your dev box
14:17 wizzyrea (that's how git bz knows it's you
14:17 wizzyrea )
14:17 oleonard That's different from getting patches from bugs?
14:18 wizzyrea I don't think you have to authenticate to get things
14:18 wizzyrea (I could be wrong)
14:18 oleonard I've already had git-bz tell me to log in
14:18 wizzyrea aha, well then there you go
14:18 wizzyrea you should be cool
14:18 wizzyrea to attach
14:18 kf wizzyrea: yes it can
14:18 oleonard And it works with Chrome too!
14:18 kf wizzyrea: create bugs, git bz file
14:19 wizzyrea kf++ nice!
14:19 kf have not tried it, but the command is there
14:19 kf I tried attachting patch to bug and mark the other obsolete - that worked!
14:19 wizzyrea me too!
14:19 kf look at my sign-offs from today :)
14:19 wizzyrea I was ecstatic.
14:19 kf hehe
14:19 kf me too
14:19 kf wizzyrea++
14:19 kf thx for helpign me figure it out yesterday
14:20 wizzyrea oleonard: for example, git bz attach 6397 HEAD
14:20 wizzyrea will attach the last commit to bug 6397
14:20 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6397 minor, P5, ---, ruth, ASSIGNED , Mis-named variable in .TT causes table cell shift
14:20 kf and if you do -e
14:20 oleonard So you don't even have to have generated a patch?
14:20 kf you can edit the comment and mark things obsolete .)
14:20 kf nope
14:21 wizzyrea doing it this way basically eliminates the need for the patches email list
14:22 wizzyrea it's <insert your favorite exclamatory swear word here> brilliant
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14:23 oleonard I'm going to go with... frelling.
14:23 wizzyrea :D
14:23 wizzyrea kf - git bz -e attach xxxx or git bz attach xxxx -e
14:24 wizzyrea where does the -e go?
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14:25 sekjal hmmm, going to have to figure out how to get a cookie on my GUI-less (and browserless) server...
14:26 wizzyrea sekjal: sometimes you can do it with a remote x server
14:26 wizzyrea (that's how I did it)
14:26 wizzyrea afaik it doesn't work with lynx cookies :(
14:28 sekjal hmmm
14:28 sekjal if I'm going to make use of this, I'll either need to install some new software on my dev box, or start doing my testing on my home machine
14:29 wizzyrea i think that if I can work it out on my headless, browserless server then you can :)
14:33 sekjal wizzyrea:  I'll give it a go
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14:33 sekjal git-bz looks like too good a tool to miss out on
14:33 wizzyrea it really really is
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14:52 conan kf: sorry, I was filling my report to bug 6328
14:52 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6328 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , Fine in days does not work
14:53 conan kf: I've found a couple of things that smell bad for me. Sorry, I know it has 3 sign-off and such, but maybe we're not pursuing the same behaviour
14:54 conan kf: can you read and comment about?
14:54 conan fredericd: are you frederic demians?
14:55 conan maybe you would want to check 6328 too
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15:02 kf conan: i did a few follow ups - possible we missed something
15:03 bigbrovar_ hi guys, am in the process of upgrading our koha instance from 3.2 to 3.4.1, installed the missing deps and following the upgrade guide however when I  went to the webinstaller to continue with the installation I got this error  what gives?
15:04 wizzyrea[…]_bz_configuration
15:06 kf conan: sounds like serious testing to me :)
15:06 kf conan++
15:07 kf conan: we don't use the fine days here in Germany, my testing concentrated mostly on the existing features now in Koha and that the new development does not break things (manually debarring from patron record, debar flag set by overdue notices)
15:08 conan kf: major problem, I think, is you cannot circulate new items to a patron if you manually un-debar him/er
15:08 conan there is no way, except updating manually in DB
15:10 wizzyrea git-bz is at[…]_bz_configuration
15:10 wizzyrea git-bz?
15:10 wahanui i heard git-bz was at[…]_bz_configuration
15:10 wizzyrea yayee
15:10 oleonard wizzyrea++
15:11 oleonard bigbrovar_: Those errors can probably be ignored
15:12 oleonard bigbrovar_: It looks to me like it's just overlap in the database upgrades
15:12 kf conan: I hope Paul will comment
15:12 bigbrovar_ oleonard: thanks it seems to worked fine anyways , hope it wont come bite me later on (In life :p )
15:13 * bigbrovar_ time to have a cup of tea
15:15 conan kf: my partner here is giving me new stuff to concerns about with this implementation, now we're designing a whole new table, this is getting too big
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15:19 kf conan: hm yes, perhaps adding a date to patron is not the right way to do it - not sure
15:19 kf conan: switching it back to boolean and have a different interface for fines in days could be better
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15:25 Brooke slef!
15:25 Brooke this cannot stand!
15:25 Brooke how, oh how, did they fall to Juve?
15:25 Brooke Odio Juve!
15:26 rhcl I am so glad for google translate, I'd be lost on chat without it
15:27 kf google can speak Brookish? :)
15:27 * Brooke highfives kf.
15:28 rhcl partly. It can translate the words, but not make sense out of them. Like it doesn't know who Juve is.
15:28 rhcl or what?
15:29 Brooke
15:29 rhcl of course
15:30 rhcl a French language site
15:30 * Brooke rolls on the floor laughing
15:31 Brooke how's homie g. laws doin' this fine morning?
15:32 rhcl Ah, well, uh, OK. Thank you for asking.
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15:42 slef hrm?
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15:43 slef Juventus 2 - 2 Napoli?
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15:46 Brooke
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15:47 Brooke clearly shoddy Yank management.
15:50 rhcl Scottish yanks?
15:50 rhcl[…]not-a-young-boss-
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16:19 Soup so i finally installed koha, and i get this at >
16:21 moodaepo Soup: Seems to me that the MySQL account info is incorrect so the db connection is not happening, I'd check the config entries.
16:22 Soup okay
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16:23 * Soup goes to figure out what are and how to check config entries on mysql
16:24 wizzyrea standard or dev install?
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16:25 moodaepo Soup: ^^
16:25 Soup standard ubuntu install following the wiki steps
16:25 wizzyrea k :)
16:25 Soup[…]ki/Koha_on_Ubuntu
16:26 Soup everything seems to work till that last step
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16:28 wizzyrea it's definitely a mismatch between what sql thinks your password is and what's in the config
16:29 wizzyrea you did the "GRANT ALL ON kohadata.* TO 'root'@'localhost' IDENTIFIED BY 'password';" bit
16:29 wizzyrea ?
16:29 wizzyrea and it matches what you put in as your database password when you ran the makefile?
16:29 Soup oh... the make file
16:30 Soup i think i changed the password on it
16:30 wizzyrea aha
16:30 wizzyrea they have to match :)
16:30 wizzyrea do note, you can log into mysql again
16:30 wizzyrea and make the password match there
16:30 wizzyrea rather than mucking with the koha configs
16:30 Soup oh thats better
16:30 wizzyrea so where that GRANT says 'password' you'd put in your password
16:31 wizzyrea that you put in the makefile
16:32 wizzyrea the password goes inside the single quotes
16:32 wizzyrea if that's not clear
16:32 Soup the problem is that 1) i think i've changed the mysql password to the one im using, and 2) the backlogs doesnt let me go as back as to see what i sayd the make builder to be
16:32 wizzyrea oops
16:33 wizzyrea in that case
16:33 Soup uninstall and try again :D
16:33 wizzyrea nope
16:33 wizzyrea :)
16:33 wizzyrea not necessry
16:33 wizzyrea try nano /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml
16:33 wizzyrea one second, gonna find you the exact line you need to change
16:34 wizzyrea or look at to find what you typed in
16:34 Soup okay :)
16:35 hdl wizzyrea: ? Or any user using accounts for users oleonard ?
16:35 wizzyrea hdl: i'm missing context
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16:35 * oleonard is here, doesn't understand the question
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16:36 hdl ok.
16:36 hdl Sorry.
16:36 hdl There are some hardcoded codes for fees for Patrons
16:36 Soup wizzyrea, :( the password is the one i said it to be, to be clare, im learning so im using weak easy to remember stuff so i gave it 1234 as the password, and its there
16:37 hdl But the documentation for those codes is... kind of missing.
16:37 wizzyrea right, now you need to set that in mysql too
16:37 Soup it is...
16:37 wizzyrea so ctrl-x out of nano
16:37 wizzyrea can't be, sorry, not according to your error
16:37 wizzyrea you are looking at <pass>??
16:37 Soup ok
16:38 wizzyrea in the koha-conf.xml?
16:38 Soup yes; <pass>1234</pass>
16:38 wizzyrea ok great
16:38 hdl Even the way they happen is quite cryptic... So I was wondering... If you ever happened to know what to display or know that... in a user way and usage.
16:39 hdl In fact, we would like to document that.
16:39 wizzyrea so now, soup
16:39 Soup :)
16:39 hdl And we have patches for bug fixing... But we want to know what some codes are there for.
16:39 Soup yes
16:39 wizzyrea you'll want to do mysql -uroot -p
16:40 wizzyrea enter your mysql password
16:40 Soup done
16:40 wizzyrea and do another grant
16:40 wizzyrea > GRANT ALL ON kohadata.* TO 'root'@'localhost' IDENTIFIED BY '1234';
16:41 wizzyrea then FLUSH PRIVILEGES;
16:41 wizzyrea and exit
16:41 wizzyrea now try it again
16:42 druthb wizzyrea++
16:42 oleonard hdl: I don't run across any hard-coded patron fees in my Koha use
16:42 hdl oleonard: does that make sense ?
16:43 hdl in account_types in the accounts table ?
16:44 oleonard Oh, you mean the fee categories found in accountlines?
16:44 hdl yes.
16:45 oleonard I have no real knowledge of what those are or where they come from. Sorry hdl.
16:46 Soup wizzyrea, :( no luck
16:46 hdl seriously needs documenting... I know catalyst worked on a refactoring... Hope they thought about documentation :D
16:46 wizzyrea same error?
16:46 Soup same error yes
16:46 hdl (I am sure they did )
16:47 bg hdl documentation++ :)
16:47 Soup i tried rebooting the vbox to see if it changed things but nope
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16:48 hdl bg: often... it is not that something doesnot work... It doesnotwork.... the way you would like it to ! And if we have some document, it is much easier to share views.
16:48 bg :)
16:49 wizzyrea soup: what is the User right above pass in your koha-conf.xml
16:50 wizzyrea do note, if you're looking at anything that says <password> it's not the right area
16:50 wizzyrea (those are for zebra
16:50 wizzyrea )
16:50 cait hdl: I think robin send a mail to the list with the pod for the new module
16:50 cait so there is documentation already :)
16:51 Soup
16:51 wizzyrea aha
16:51 wizzyrea see in the above grant statement
16:52 wizzyrea it says user root?
16:52 wizzyrea you need to grant privileges for user koha ;)
16:52 wizzyrea with password 1234
16:52 wizzyrea do you need me to paste exact steps?
16:52 Soup if you can yes :)
16:53 Soup sorry if im being a bother
16:53 wizzyrea nope, not at all
16:53 wizzyrea so log into mysql -uroot -p
16:53 Soup :) thank you very much
16:53 wizzyrea GRANT ALL ON kohadata.* TO 'koha'@'localhost' IDENTIFIED BY '1234';
16:53 wizzyrea FLUSH PRIVILEGES;
16:53 wizzyrea exit
16:54 wizzyrea basically that means "let user koha do anything to my koha db when they log in with password 1234"
16:54 Soup :D
16:54 Soup ok that makes sense
16:55 Soup so now i restart mysql?
16:55 wizzyrea you shouldn't need to
16:55 wizzyrea does it work?
16:55 Soup :(
16:55 Soup no
16:55 wizzyrea what's the path to your config file?
16:56 Soup /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml
16:56 wizzyrea and that's the one with user koha and pass 1234 in it?
16:56 Soup yes
16:56 wizzyrea oh
16:56 wizzyrea I know
16:56 wizzyrea GRANT ALL ON koha.* TO 'root'@'localhost' IDENTIFIED BY '1234';
16:56 wizzyrea try that one
16:56 wizzyrea your db is called koha, not kohadata
16:57 wizzyrea so, see where in the config file it says <database>
16:57 wizzyrea koha </database>
16:57 wizzyrea that's the bit right after ON
16:57 Soup same
16:58 wizzyrea lol arg, GRANT ALL ON koha.* TO 'koha'@'localhost' IDENTIFIED BY '1234';
16:58 Soup tried that too
16:58 Soup XD
16:58 wizzyrea basiclaly, the database, user, and pass need to be consistent with your config file
16:58 wizzyrea did you flush privileges after?
16:58 Soup yes
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16:59 wizzyrea and it's still giving that error?
16:59 Soup yes
16:59 Soup ok food time
16:59 Oak \o
16:59 Soup o/
16:59 Soup thanks wizzyrea for your troubles and time
16:59 wizzyrea hmm I shall think on this
16:59 * oleonard will brb
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17:01 Oak hello Soup :)
17:01 Oak Hello wizzyrea :]
17:02 * wizzyrea waves at oak
17:02 wizzyrea o/
17:02 cait hi Oak :)
17:02 Oak oh Hi cait ! :)
17:03 Oak hi druthb
17:05 druthb hi, oak.  :)
17:05 Oak how are you today druthb ? cool as usual...
17:06 druthb I am awesome all the way through, Oak!  :D
17:07 Oak hmm :)
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17:12 oleonard That was weird, it was looking like I wasn't going to get back in.
17:12 * oleonard looks around to see who would've locked the door
17:13 * cait would never lock owen out
17:13 Oak you were supposed to pull it not push it...
17:14 oleonard :P
17:14 oleonard[…]lForTheGifted.jpg
17:14 cait hehe
17:15 * druthb hides the keys.
17:15 Oak :D
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17:25 Soup wizzyrea, look this:
17:25 wizzyrea ooo
17:26 Soup thats relevant correct?
17:26 wizzyrea well yes
17:26 wizzyrea but a different problem
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17:28 Soup is my /etc/apache2/ports.conf
17:29 Soup oh well i should not be doing this now, i actually have to end a paper on encyclopedias
17:29 wizzyrea the macro problem is that apache doesn't think you have a virtual host defined for 8080
17:29 Soup i see
17:29 wizzyrea how it got that way, if you followed the directions, I have no idea
17:30 Soup i did exactly what says there
17:30 library_systems_guy so I have a random question...when a user logs in through LDAP in koha, how is their password stored in the db?
17:31 bg it's hashed
17:32 library_systems_guy by mysql?
17:32 library_systems_guy or perl?
17:32 wahanui perl is probably an abomination upon us all
17:32 bg perl
17:32 f3ew Perl++
17:32 wizzyrea did you edit /etc/koha/koha-httpd.conf as noted?
17:32 * library_systems_guy grumbles
17:32 wizzyrea forget perl
17:32 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot perl
17:32 bg md64 or something like that
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17:33 wizzyrea sorry to be slow i'm 1h typing w my 3 yo on my lap
17:34 sekjal md5_base64, to be precise
17:34 bg thanks sekjal++
17:34 library_systems_guy I was considering doing a single sign-n setup for our library since we use ezproxy for off campus feasible do you think that is
17:36 hdl library_systems_guy: it is hashed md5_base64
17:37 library_systems_guy thanks bg, sekjal, and  hdl
17:37 sekjal library_systems_guy:  Koha does CAS now... other SSO options would need to be developed (but would be welcome)
17:37 hdl we implemented CAS
17:37 sekjal I'd be interested in looking at Shibboleth
17:37 hdl sekjal: we could have to do that by the end of the year.
17:37 cait sekjal: Shibboleth would be interesting here too I think
17:37 library_systems_guy i have basically not experience with sso so im just kinda poking around
17:39 hdl Altough I think that we would certainly rather use Plack::Middleware::Auth::Basic
17:39 hdl and rework the authentication
17:40 hdl Would necessarily use Plack then though.
17:41 hdl See you
17:46 sekjal can MARC::Record tell me with one subfield immediately follows another?
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17:58 conan laterz
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18:13 jwagner hi, skushner
18:13 sekjal MARC.  Must.  Die!
18:14 bg heh - MARC must DIE :)
18:14 * library_systems_guy thinks that is an excellent idea
18:14 wizzyrea @quote add <sekjal> MARC.  Must.  Die!
18:14 huginn` wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.  Quote #136 added.
18:14 sekjal for (horrific) example:  the field definitions for 853
18:15 wizzyrea @marc 853
18:15 huginn` wizzyrea: [Described in full under field 853 in the MARC 21 Concise Format for Holdings Data.] (Repeatable) []
18:15 bg heh concise :)
18:15 skushner hi jane, hello all
18:15 sekjal subfields u and v are repeatable, and depending which field they're after (b-f usually), they mean different things
18:15 bg heya skushner
18:16 sekjal howdy, skushner.  just in time for my rant against MFHD
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18:19 sekjal I think I may just ignore the whole 853a-f, u-v mess, and work off subfield w
18:24 cait what are you trying to do?
18:28 sekjal trying to migrate over the prediction patterns with the serials issues
18:29 sekjal the data's in there... it's just MARC
18:32 bg @wunder chicago, IL
18:32 huginn` bg: The current temperature in Chicago, Illinois is 5.3�C (1:35 PM CDT on May 26, 2011). Conditions: Drizzle. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Windchill: 5.0�C. Pressure: 29.22 in 989.4 hPa (Steady).
18:32 bg @wunder 93109
18:32 huginn` bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 19.5�C (11:36 AM PDT on May 26, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1015.8 hPa (Steady). Wind Advisory in effect from 7 PM this evening to 8 am PDT Friday...
18:33 oleonard bg: Who's in Chicago?
18:33 bg I was seeing if the mets game was going to be delayed :)
18:33 oleonard It's going to be chilly anyway!
18:33 bg yeah that's cold
18:34 bg @wunder wellington, nz
18:34 huginn` bg: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0�C (6:00 AM NZST on May 27, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 29.39 in 995 hPa (Steady).
18:35 oleonard @wunder 45701
18:35 huginn` oleonard: The current temperature in Ohio University, Athens, Ohio is 23.3�C (2:30 PM EDT on May 26, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1003.9 hPa (Rising).
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18:35 druthb @wunder Potomac_Swamps, MD...
18:35 huginn` druthb: Error: No such location could be found.
18:35 druthb pity.
18:35 druthb @wunder 20852
18:35 huginn` druthb: The current temperature in Potomac Woods, Rockville, Maryland is 31.3�C (2:39 PM EDT on May 26, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 20.0�C. Pressure: 29.85 in 1010.7 hPa (Steady).
18:35 cait @quote add sekjal: the data's in there... it's just MARC
18:35 huginn` cait: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
18:36 cait @quote add sekjal: the data's in there... it's just MARC
18:36 huginn` cait: The operation succeeded.  Quote #137 added.
18:46 Oak time to sleep ... night dear ones
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18:49 sekjal gmcharlt:  about?
18:49 gmcharlt sekjal: pong
18:50 sekjal I need to go through each subfield in a MARC field, in order.  best way to do that?  $field->subfields(), then a foreach?
18:50 gmcharlt yes
18:51 sekjal and since subfields() returns a list of lists, I assume there are references I'll need to deal with in there...
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18:55 sekjal gmcharlt:  okay, think I got it...
19:02 rhcl @wunder 33040
19:02 huginn` rhcl: Error: timed out
19:04 rhcl @wunder 33040
19:04 huginn` rhcl: The current temperature in Key West NAF, Florida is 31.0�C (2:53 PM EDT on May 26, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 23.0�C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014 hPa (Falling).
19:14 bigbrovar time to call it night, good $time-zone-appropriate greetings to you guys
19:19 wizzyrea hmm how would i go about getting a report of bibs that have only one item
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19:20 wizzyrea with info about those bibs such as title
19:20 wizzyrea I tried SELECT items.barcode, biblio.title, items.itemcallnumber, items.ccode, items.itype, items.homebranch from items join biblio using(biblionumber) WHERE HAVING COUNT(items.itemnumber) =1;
19:20 wizzyrea but that doesn't give anything, and I know there are some
19:21 cait hm
19:21 cait you need a group for the having I thinkg
19:21 wizzyrea hmm
19:21 cait let me try something :)
19:22 wizzyrea cait++
19:25 cait SELECT items.barcode, biblio.title, items.itemcallnumber, items.ccode, items.itype, items.homebranch from items join biblio using(biblionumber) WHERE (select count(itemnumber) from items i where i.biblionumber = biblio.biblionumber) = 1
19:25 cait I have almost no items in my database - you should check if it really works as it should
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19:25 wizzyrea trying...
19:25 wizzyrea cait++
19:25 wizzyrea results!
19:25 wahanui results are not limited to the year I'm searching
19:26 wizzyrea lol
19:26 wizzyrea forget results
19:26 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot results
19:26 cait hehe
19:26 druthb cait++
19:26 cait check if it works first ! :)
19:28 wizzyrea yes, I think it does!
19:28 cait select count(biblionumber), biblionumber from items group by biblionumber having count(biblionumber) = 1
19:28 cait should give the same biblionumbers
19:28 cait cool :)
19:32 wizzyrea hmm the 1st gives 4500, 2nd over 10k
19:32 wizzyrea let me try that again
19:32 cait hmpf
19:33 wizzyrea 1s trying again
19:33 wizzyrea I had put an items.homebranch limit on both
19:33 wizzyrea so going to try them straight
19:34 cait ok
19:34 wizzyrea see if they match
19:43 cait do they?
19:43 wizzyrea hmm no
19:45 cait ok
19:45 cait hmpf
19:45 cait I am quite sure the second is right.. what we can do
19:45 wizzyrea hmmm
19:46 cait what about this?
19:46 cait select items.barcode, biblio.title, items.itemcallnumber, items.ccode, items.itype, items.homebranch from items join biblio using(biblionumber) WHERE biblionumber in (select biblionumber from items group by biblionumber having count(*) = 1)
19:47 wizzyrea oh sneaky.. i see what you did there
19:47 wizzyrea it's chewing on that
19:48 cait hm
19:49 cait hope chewing is good
19:49 wizzyrea it's fine, i've got a reporting mirror so if it goes out of control it's no biggie.
19:49 wizzyrea just takes a bit
19:55 * oleonard wonders why git branch tab-completion has become so slow for him
19:55 cait hm
19:55 wizzyrea lots of branches?
19:56 cait I notice the same here
19:56 wizzyrea same, it used to be speedier it seems.
19:56 wizzyrea but I have a lot more branches than I used to
19:57 oleonard I don't have more local branches, maybe because of more remote branches?
19:59 * oleonard has been so busy today he hasn't even had time to look at wizzyrea's git-bz wiki page :(
20:00 wizzyrea hmm could be that
20:00 wizzyrea it's ok, it'll be there when you're ready ;)
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20:00 wizzyrea maybe better even ^.^
20:02 cait wizzyrea: so it did work?
20:03 wizzyrea lol, it's very mad about that query I guess it's still going
20:05 cait ouch :(
20:08 cait perhaps we shoud have replaced that star with biblionumber
20:08 wizzyrea hmm
20:12 hdl @later tell nengard Could you reproduce bugs 6412 and 6413 on our master ? It looks as though we already worked on that... Will assign that to stephane.delaune who worked on that.
20:12 huginn` hdl: The operation succeeded.
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20:34 yhager Can I delete the default kohaadmin user? or just lock it so login is impossible?
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20:37 wizzyrea i haven't tried
20:39 sekjal yhager: can't delete it, but you could alter not to allow you to login with it
20:39 sekjal though, you do need it to do upgrades
20:39 wizzyrea oo yea that could get ugly
20:39 wizzyrea could you take away all of it's permissions?
20:39 wizzyrea i.e. untick "superlibrarian"
20:39 sekjal since it's not an entry in borrowers, no
20:40 sekjal you'd have to alter the code
20:40 sekjal best thing to do is make the password VERY secure
20:40 yhager sekjal: ok, so how do I change the password?
20:40 sekjal you'd change it in MySQL
20:40 wizzyrea and your koha-conf.xml
20:40 sekjal it's the password for the user that accesses the koha database
20:41 wizzyrea aside: i wonder if we really ought to change that :/
20:41 wizzyrea where that = how that works
20:41 wizzyrea and have the user create a superlibrarian in the web installer
20:41 gmcharlt wizzyrea: yep, we should
20:41 yhager wait, so the kohaadmin OPAC user password is the same as the database password?
20:42 wizzyrea yes
20:42 sekjal yhager: unless you created a borrower with userid = 'kohaadmin'
20:42 yhager no, I didn't.
20:42 sekjal yeah, then it's the username/password for the DB
20:42 yhager so I *can* change the username too to something else..
20:42 sekjal yes
20:43 yhager ok, that can reduce some attack potential I guess
20:44 yhager what is the limit on password length?
20:45 sekjal yhager:  not aware of one... would need to read MySQL manual for the version you're running
20:46 yhager sekjal: ok, thanks
20:51 sekjal okay, need to rest for a bit.  goodnight, #koha
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20:56 pianohacker hi
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20:58 yhager mysql keeps password as 16 chars encrypted, so anything larger than that does not add any security
21:00 pianohacker yhager: But that's a hash, correct? The 16-char hash will continue to change as you add more characters, afaik
21:01 yhager pianohacker: right, but other passwords will still generate the same hash
21:07 yhager I must add it feels a bit awkward that the db user is the same as the admin account of the web app.
21:08 gmcharlt yhager: well, more like *an* admin account
21:09 gmcharlt at present, the only other time you need it after installation is during upgrades (that is, if you use the web installer for upgrades; you can also run them from the command-line)
21:10 yhager gmcharlt: and if I don't use SSL, it means I send my DB user password clear text. I'd like to avoid that (so I guess I'll use the command line..)
21:10 gmcharlt yhager: installer/misc/mysql/ to do it from the command line
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21:28 skushner Anyone ever pxe booted (umm..excuse me, openbooted) a SUN server via Debian Squeeze..??
21:40 bg nope
21:52 hdl Good night koha
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22:05 skushner what a nightmare
22:05 wahanui a nightmare is compounded for me today; not only do I have to deal with MFHD, but I've got to do all kinds of crazy stuff to even GET the data in the first place
22:05 wizzyrea forget nightmare
22:05 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot nightmare
22:06 bg oh boo wizzyrea that was pretty goodone to remember
22:06 gmcharlt I'm not so sure it is easy to forget that kind of nightmare
22:06 wizzyrea pf
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22:06 wizzyrea exactly why it's better for wahanui to forget it
22:07 pianohacker fieldmapping table, relied upon for subtitle display and empty after an upgrade?
22:07 * gmcharlt doesn't think it is sufficient ;)
22:08 wizzyrea hehe
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22:14 rhcl I want so say something. Should I, or should I just let it drop?
22:15 pianohacker rhcl: about what? the libwebcats situation?
22:16 rhcl yea
22:18 pianohacker what were you thinking of saying?
22:25 rhcl well, if I say it, then what would be the point of asking if I should say it? <humor> :)
22:26 rhcl ping wizzyrea
22:26 wizzyrea sup
22:26 rhcl what's the name of a couple of your libraries running Koha?
22:26 wizzyrea atchison, leavenworth
22:26 wizzyrea hiawatha
22:28 rhcl thats enough. Hey, you going to the flea market this weekend at Sparks?
22:34 pianohacker rhcl: in that case, you should probably just say it! :)
22:37 rhcl well, just in case. You're probably right. I'm drafting it now...
22:48 * gmcharlt has weighed in, fwiw
22:52 pianohacker gmcharlt: You are one of the most reliably calm people I know
22:58 gmcharlt pianohacker: thanks
22:59 pianohacker which helps when bombs like social engineering and privacy are dropped
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23:08 rhcl ballgame's up. time to run.
23:08 rhcl is now known as rhcl_baseball
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23:12 jransom hiya all
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23:26 pianohacker hi, jransom
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