IRC log for #koha, 2011-05-23

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01:39 Renae hello can u help with my koha install
01:39 Renae im using ubuntu 11.4
01:41 Renae also using the setup koha in virt environ on wiki
01:42 Renae when i get to the line about gpg  it says 'no valid OpenPgP data found.
01:43 eythian did you copy-and-paste the line from the wiki?
01:43 Renae yes
01:43 eythian hmm, can you paste into the channel what you have?
01:43 Renae yes
01:43 Renae motwl@ubuntu:~$ $ wget -O- | sudo apt-key add - $: command not found gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.
01:44 eythian don't include the '$' at the start
01:44 eythian that's just saying "this is a command that you enter"
01:47 Renae ok it is working now must of copied the $ from the wiki
01:47 eythian cool :)
01:51 Renae ok it is not going back to the $ this is the paste
01:51 Renae motwl@ubuntu:~$ wget -O- | sudo apt-key add - [sudo] password for motwl: --2011-05-23 11:50:00-- Resolving Connecting to||:80... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
01:51 * druthb is making her fat cat get some exercise.
01:51 druthb laser_pointers++
01:52 eythian Renae: try pressing enter, that looks like it was all OK
01:52 eythian oh wait
01:52 eythian hmm, let me try...
01:52 eythian I think there should be more.
01:52 eythian oh, type your password and press enter
01:52 Renae ok it appears ok now
01:53 eythian there's something that's change in Ubuntu 11.04 that makes this not work so well as it used to.
01:54 Renae yes I guessed that as i installed on mav before
02:00 Renae hi can u help me with this part of the install this is the paste
02:00 Renae his is the fully-qualified host name of the computer running   │        â”‚ nullmailer. It defaults to the literal name 'me'.               │        â”‚                                                                 │        â”‚ Mailname of your system:                                        â”‚        â”‚
02:01 Renae configuring nullmailer
02:02 Renae it has 'mail of your system' as ubuntu is this correct
02:02 Renae that should be 'mailname'
02:03 eythian I tend to just install postfix.
02:03 eythian but, I'd put it as the mailname of the system,
02:03 eythian so what domain mail should expect to be coming from.
02:03 Renae the system being ubuntu or linux im a novice
02:03 eythian I'm not sure how much it matters, and it's easy to change if it turns out that it does
02:04 eythian You could just leave it as default
02:04 Renae ok it wont upset anything else will it
02:05 Renae ok it has gone to anther screen this is the paste
02:05 Renae This is a colon-separated list of remote servers to which to send each    â”‚   │ message. Each entry contains a remote host name or address followed by    â”‚   │ an optional protocol string 'host protocol'. The protocol name defaults   │   │ to smtp, and may be followed by command-line arguments for that module.   │   │
02:06 eythian you're going to need to find out what address your mailserver has, and set that there.
02:07 Renae would this be the one with my service provider or can i use my 'live' one
02:08 druthb eythian++     #wicked-slick scripting-fu
02:09 Renae ive got ingoing as pop3 and out smtp which would be the one to use
02:09 eythian you need your SMTP server. You should use whatever it is you normally use to send email though
02:10 Renae do i use the ingoing  or outgoing one
02:11 eythian outgoing is SMTP. It's for Koha to send mail
02:12 Renae ok i hve used my outgoing one
02:12 Renae is this right
02:13 eythian I don't know, but it looks like it might be.
02:13 Renae is fixable later if i need to change it
02:13 eythian yep
02:14 eythian 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure nullmailer' will ask the questions again.
02:14 Renae thank you
02:17 Renae ok im on the last bit where it says create or replace  sudo vi /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf   if i wanted to replace what would be the best thing to replace it with
02:17 Renae or would it be best to leave as is
02:18 eythian it means "if it's already there, replace it, otherwise create it"
02:18 Renae oh ok
02:18 eythian so, you probably want to create it. I can't remember if it's there by default.
02:19 Renae it is saying 'new file'
02:19 eythian yep, so create it
02:19 Renae so i just cut and paste the bit in the wiki at the top of this
02:20 Renae it has left alot of empty lines with  ~ on it
02:20 eythian yeah. If you don't know how to use vim, remember to press 'i' first
02:20 eythian '~' means empty
02:20 Renae ok
02:21 Renae i don't know how to use vim  so i press i then paste after
02:22 eythian yeah. then edit the bits you need to.
02:22 eythian vim is unusual if you don't know it
02:22 eythian when you're don, press esc, then ':wq' followed by enter to save and quit
02:23 Renae ok this is what i have
02:23 Renae i DOMAIN=""    INTRAPORT="80"    INTRAPREFIX=""    INTRASUFFIX="admin"    DEFAULTSQL="/usr/share/koha/defaults.sql.gz" ~                                                                                ~                                                                                ~
02:23 Renae is this right
02:24 eythian the i shouldn't actually be there
02:24 Renae well where does the i go
02:24 eythian nowhere, it's a button to tell vim to start editing
02:27 Renae i think i buggered it i pressed the backspace and now ive got a row 'a's
02:27 Renae i cant get the i out
02:27 Renae can i do this part again
02:27 eythian heh, try this: press escape :q! enter
02:28 eythian then do the same command again, but instead of using 'vi' use 'nano'
02:30 Renae now it says recording
02:31 eythian press escape and then :q
02:31 eythian don't forget the ':' this time :)
02:31 eythian (and then enter)
02:31 eythian and then press :q! enter
02:32 eythian with the ':' too
02:32 Renae ok im back
02:33 eythian vool, no try that again but use nano rather than vi
02:33 eythian *cool
02:33 eythian *now
02:33 eythian I need to learn to type
02:33 eythian nano should be easier to use.
02:33 Renae ok
02:33 eythian just remember in the help at the bottom where it says '^' that means 'press control'
02:36 Renae ok i hve pasted it into nano how do i save it or do i just exit
02:36 eythian press the button for save
02:36 Renae i can't see a save button
02:37 eythian Oh, it calls it 'WriteOut'
02:37 eythian (there is a boring technical reason for that)
02:37 Renae ok so it is control o
02:37 eythian jup
02:38 Renae ok it says wrote 6 lines does that mean it is saved
02:38 eythian yeah
02:39 Renae now i just exit right
02:39 eythian yep
02:39 eythian (assuming you've filled out the bits you need in there, btw)
02:40 Renae well i just copied and pasted the wiki
02:40 eythian oh OK, that's fine
02:41 Renae ok so i can just go to the next bit on the wiki and paste it in
02:41 eythian yeah
02:44 Renae ok this is what i hve done is this correct
02:44 Renae motwl@ubuntu:~$ sudo a2enmod rewrite Enabling module rewrite. Run '/etc/init.d/apache2 restart' to activate new configuration! motwl@ubuntu:~$ sudo a2dissite 000-default Site default disabled. Run '/etc/init.d/apache2 reload' to activate new configuration! motwl@ubuntu:~$ sudo koha-create --create-db koha Koha instance is empty, no staff user created. Enablin
02:45 Renae Enabling site koha. Run '/etc/init.d/apache2 reload' to activate new configuration!  * Restarting web server apache2  ... waiting    ...done. Starting Zebra server for koha
02:50 eythian OK, that all looks normal
02:50 Renae ok thanks
02:56 Renae ok im having trouble again with the password, first of all it wont open the file  second when i click the link in the wiki for the kohaadmin site this is what i get
02:56 Renae Server not found                                                                Firefox can't find the server at kohaadmin.                                Check the address for typing errors such as instead of   If you are unable to load any pages, check your computer's network     connection.   If your computer or netwo
02:56 * druthb heads to bed...early!
02:56 * druthb waves
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02:58 eythian Renae: what do you mean "with the password"?
02:59 Renae well i went to get the password from the etc.koha/sites/koha/koha-conf.xml and it wont open
02:59 Renae in firefox or notepad
03:00 eythian it won't, you need to use nano like before
03:01 Renae ok
03:03 Renae this is what it shows
03:03 Renae !-- BIBLIOGRAPHIC RECORDS --> <server id="biblioserver"  listenref="biblioserver">     <directory>/var/lib/koha/koha/biblios</directory>     <config>/etc/koha/sites/koha​/zebra-biblios.cfg</config>     <cql2rpn>/etc/koha/zebradb​/</cql2rpn>      <retrievalinfo>        <retrieval syntax="usmarc" name="F"/>        <retrieval syntax="usmarc" name="B"
03:03 eythian go to the bottom,
03:05 Renae <retrieval syntax="xml" name="F"/>        <retrieval syntax="xml" name="B"/>        <retrieval syntax="xml" name="marcxml"<yazgfs>  is this the part
03:06 Renae yazgfs
03:07 eythian no, it's at the bottom. Scroll down
03:07 eythian you're looking for:
03:07 eythian <user>kohauser</user>
03:07 eythian <pass>kohapassword</pass>
03:09 Renae <ccl2rpn>/etc/koha/zebradb​/</ccl2rpn>     <user>kohauser</user>     <password>aeyohkee</password> </serverinfo>  this one
03:09 eythian yes
03:09 eythian although I hope this isn't going to be a production system, as you've just pasted your password to the world :)
03:10 Renae ok shit
03:10 Renae can i change it
03:10 eythian that depends on how well you understand mysql.
03:11 Renae not much at all
03:11 Renae i stll cant get onto the koha admin site yet anyway
03:12 Renae i had this problem before could not resolve it i had hoped with a fresh install it would work
03:13 eythian oh right, yeah. You need to set up your hosts entry, which is in the instructions back a bit further.
03:14 Renae the sudo desktop and desktop hosts entry section
03:15 eythian no, it's just above that
03:15 eythian adding to the /etc/hosts file on your desktop machine so that it can see the koha installation in the virtual machine
03:16 eythian assuming that this is how you're setting it up
03:18 Renae i can't find it which step is it
03:19 eythian where it starts with "Then, add an entry to /etc/hosts like this (and skipping ahead, we're adding a kohaadmin and koha entry to be used later): "
03:19 Renae im setting up on a stand alone
03:19 eythian I don't know what that means
03:22 Renae ok i found it,  i mean i was advised to run koha on its own computer
03:22 Renae do i do all the commands upto the next sect
03:22 eythian So are you using virtualbox or not? That makes a huge difference about whether this will work or not.
03:24 eythian It's reaching the point where you'll need someone who understands how your network is set up to help. Instructions can only take you so far without understanding.
03:25 eythian (and I have to go for a while now, too.)
03:25 Renae i m not sure this wiki setup was what i was advised to use by Rangi
03:25 eythian yeah, that's fine. But are you using virtualbox?
03:25 Renae i don't know what that is
03:26 eythian oh, I mean the virtual machine manager thing
03:27 Renae still don't know what u mean
03:27 eythian Well, they're in the instructions.
03:28 eythian I'd recommend finding someone who understands networking and servers and stuff, there's only so much that can be done via IRC. And I have to go to the post office now.
03:28 Renae ok thank you for your help
03:30 Space_Librarian Renae: this gives you an idea of what a virtualbox is http://www.freesoftwaremagazin[…]box_to_run_ubuntu#
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05:00 cait hi #koha
05:00 eythian hi cait
05:00 cait hey eythian
05:00 cait had a nice weekend?
05:01 eythian I did nothing. It was.
05:01 Space_Librarian hey cait.
05:01 cait evening Space_Librarian :)
05:01 cait eythian: hey, did the same! :)
05:01 Space_Librarian good weekend then?
05:01 eythian cait: ecxcellent!
05:01 cait yep
05:01 cait :)
05:01 eythian -x
05:01 eythian err
05:01 eythian -c
05:03 cait and how was monday? any unpleasant surprises to expect?
05:03 eythian nope.
05:03 eythian It's pretty normal really.
05:03 Space_Librarian seems pretty quiet...
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05:04 cait quiet sounds great
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06:15 alex_a hello #koha
06:26 eythian hallo
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06:47 clrh hi
06:47 wahanui hey, clrh
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06:56 julian hi #koha
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07:00 paul_p good morning #Ç©oha !
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07:24 kf good morning #koha
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07:29 francharb hello all
07:29 kf bonjour francharb :)
07:29 francharb :)
07:30 francharb how was your week end, kf?
07:30 matts 'morning #koha
07:31 kf nice and quiet
07:31 kf and yours?
07:31 wahanui yours is universal
07:31 kf hi matts :)
07:32 kf wahanui: forget yours
07:32 wahanui kf: I forgot yours
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07:34 francharb kf: mine was restful
07:34 francharb and i needed it! ;)
07:35 kf same here :)
07:42 paul_p hi kf
07:43 kf hi paul_p :)
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08:06 glernil mabuhay!
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08:17 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6070] On a new order defined from suggestion some fields were missing. <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6070>
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08:54 rangi evening
08:58 kf hi rangi
08:58 kf how was the weekend?
09:01 kf sekjal: around?
09:02 rangi good, how was yours?
09:03 kf nice and quiet
09:04 paul_p hi rangi.
09:05 rangi hiya paul_p
09:07 SpaceLibrarian_home hey rangi, restful weekend?
09:07 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for bug 6367 - 'Preview MARC' hover button does not show correct MARC record <[…]f9f0628f4cb4dd7c0>
09:07 rangi yeah was good to have some time away from koha for a bit
09:10 SpaceLibrarian_home I can imagine.
09:12 jenkins_koha Starting build 254 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
09:14 kf paul_p: perhaps i was too fast now
09:14 kf are you workign on 6268?
09:14 paul_p kf, yes i am
09:14 kf ok :)
09:48 SpaceLibrarian_home night #koha. I'll see you on the other side. :)
09:48 kf night SpaceLibrarian_home
09:48 * SpaceLibrarian_home waves
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09:49 rangi cya tomorrow SpaceLibrarian_home
09:51 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6268] Bad Total in <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6268>
09:55 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #254: SUCCESS in 42 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/254/
09:55 jenkins_koha Owen Leonard: Fix for bug 6367 - 'Preview MARC' hover button does not show correct MARC record
09:55 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6367 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , 'Preview MARC' hover button does not show correct MARC record
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10:22 rangi hey druthb
10:22 kf hi druthb :)
10:23 druthb hi! :)
10:54 kf silent monday
10:55 * rangi is going to sleep
10:55 kf good night! :)
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11:05 magnuse kia ora #koha
11:05 magnuse @wunder tos
11:05 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Tromso, Norway is 12.0�C (12:50 PM CEST on May 23, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1002 hPa (Steady).
11:08 magnuse so i translated all of the opac for nb-NO in Lokalize, and uploaded to Pootle. it seems all conflicts are now marked as fuzzy - do i have to click through all of them in pootle to make them not fuzzy, or is there a better way?
11:13 magnuse fredericd around?
11:13 kf magnuse: did you merge or overload?
11:14 kf I think when you don't merge but replace the file it should probably not happen that it marks things fuzzy
11:15 magnuse kf: i chose the first option
11:15 magnuse it's displayed in norwegian...
11:15 kf ah, not sure about norwegian, but you can change that in your account
11:15 kf your preferred language for the interface
11:16 magnuse yup
11:16 magnuse english says "Merge the file with the current file and turn conflicts into suggestions"
11:16 magnuse not "Add all new translations as suggestions" (second option)
11:16 * druthb waves to magnuse.
11:17 magnuse \o
11:17 magnuse seems there will be a lot of suggestions either way...
11:17 magnuse i assume suggestion = fuzzy
11:17 magnuse maybe i need some more rights to avoid creating suggestions?
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11:35 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5877] Offline circulation improvements : upload all files, apply at once <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5877>
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11:36 conan hi all
11:39 jwagner hi conan
11:47 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6388] Broken pager images in <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6388> / [Bug 6066] itemtype when ordering and item-level_itype=no <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6066>
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12:04 Oak \o
12:04 Oak hiya druthb :)
12:04 druthb Hi, Oak!
12:04 Oak how are you today?
12:05 druthb doing well.  :)
12:07 Oak good.
12:09 paul_p hello américa(s) !
12:09 paul_p good morning
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12:10 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5658] can't delete subfields in frameworks <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5658>
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12:16 oleonard Hi #koha
12:17 oleonard paul_p++ # for Bugzilla work
12:17 paul_p hi oleonard & good morning
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12:21 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6388] Broken pager images in <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6388> / [Bug 6389] Administration menu like Tools menu <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6389>
12:33 kf paul_p: about 6066 - perhaps a unimarc/marc21 problem?
12:34 paul_p kf, good idea, maybe that's it. If you still notice the problem, could you add the perl error ? That may help
12:35 paul_p mmm... thinking of it I don't think so, because I tested with a MARC21 setup in fact !
12:35 paul_p (but well, if you still see a Perl error, pls report it)
12:36 kf ah
12:36 kf the perl error is not realted to that feature
12:36 kf you always get an error when you try to save without itemtype
12:37 kf at least in master with item level itypes
12:37 kf that's why I didn't noted the error - it's the normal buggy behaviour :P
12:39 kf paul_p: with biblio level itypes - you don#t have an itemtype stored in the item at all? or is it copied from biblio level to item level?
12:39 paul_p kf no itemtype in items
12:40 kf ok
12:40 kf look at 4955
12:40 kf bug 4955
12:40 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4955 critical, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW , adding to basket with no item throws error
12:41 kf that's what I am talking about. when I did some tests with master yesterday it still happened. you get a perl error but the order is created
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12:49 JesseM G'morning All !!
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13:03 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6115] Acquisition reports : date filter & sorting don't work <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6115>
13:04 paul_p kf, I think you're right, it maybe because the item is 100% empty (thus it's not related to the patch, it's related to another bug)
13:04 * paul_p stop working on bugzilla for today. working on some customer requests...
13:05 * paul_p hopes working again on bugzilla tomorrow (my) morning !
13:06 kf :)
13:06 kf paul_p++
13:06 kf paul_p: I will try to retest tonight - will tell you what I see on the bug :)
13:21 kf paul_p: a minute for an acq question?
13:21 paul_p kf, let's try !
13:23 kf ah
13:23 kf my library is complaining about the baskets view on vendors
13:23 kf because they can only see their own baskets
13:24 kf we have individual logins and a student worker helping out
13:24 kf I am not sure it's good the way it's now and which way to resolve it
13:25 kf you see all baskets when you are superlibrarian, but only your own with normal acq permissions
13:27 kf show all and make it possible to limit on only the ones you did, is a permission needed, because there is a reason for not showing them
13:27 kf and so on
13:27 oleonard fredericd++ # for correcting my patch to Bug 6364
13:27 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6364 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Display of item availability broken on OPAC detail screen
13:29 gmcharlt good morning
13:30 oleonard Hi gmcharlt
13:30 kf hi gmcharlt
13:32 kf paul_p: scared you away? I hope not :)
13:32 paul_p oups, sorry, you didn't wrote my name, so had no warning ;-)
13:33 paul_p 'morning gmcharlt
13:33 kf ah, sorry!
13:34 paul_p kf: I don't understand where/if there is a question...
13:34 paul_p (I understand the problem though, and I agree with it)
13:34 paul_p but we can't change the behaviour, otherwise other libraries will complain...
13:34 kf I wondered if it's a bug - nobody wants it that way
13:34 kf or a feature
13:34 kf and which way the problem coudl be best resolved
13:35 paul_p We have libraries that want it that way.
13:35 kf ok
13:35 kf but what do they do when one librarian is on vacation?
13:35 kf or do they use only general logins?
13:35 paul_p well, I think we should have 3 levels : * see all, * see my library, * see mine only
13:35 paul_p kf when a librarian is on vacation, the next order wait until the librarian is back from vacation ;-)
13:36 kf hehe I might disagree on this assumption :)
13:36 paul_p that could be a new permission imo
13:36 kf hm
13:36 paul_p (kf: that's how the library do it, i don't know if it's a good idea !)
13:36 kf the question is, are they really not allowed to see...or is it for convenience?
13:37 kf in my library they don't do it this way .P
13:37 paul_p I agree we could improve the workflow though !
13:37 kf ok
13:38 paul_p some of our libraries have librarians doing orders for their branch only. In this case, they don't want and should not be able to see others baskets !
13:38 kf I just tested something - when i search for the vendor using the search bar (not the vendor search) I see all baskets
13:38 kf so if it should be a permission, there is a problem now
13:38 paul_p some of our libraries have librarians ordering by budget (history/geography/...), all to the same bookseller. Same notice
13:38 paul_p s/same notice/same conclusion/
13:39 kf hm, no, I gave me back my superlibrarian too early
13:39 paul_p kf, you're probably right, that's an inconsistency !
13:39 kf let me test again
13:39 paul_p ok, so you're not right maybe ;-)
13:39 kf no, it's consistent
13:39 kf sorry )
13:40 kf ok, so what do I need to do to make this work for my library and yours?
13:40 paul_p some money to sponsor an improvement ? :D :D
13:40 paul_p (kidding)
13:41 paul_p I think it's worth asking the question on koha ML : how to solve this problem and have everybody happy with the behaviour ?
13:41 paul_p my suggestion is a first suggestion, maybe someone will have another idea !
13:44 kf not sure how hard it is to do more permissions
13:44 kf I will file a bug first
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13:56 kf paul_p: small addition, when I search by title - I can go from the title to the basket
13:56 kf vendor search is consistent from every angle, but if you go by library to the basket directly you can se it
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14:17 kf bug 6390
14:17 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6390 normal, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW , Basket only visible for librarian who created it
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14:32 rhcl wizzyrea: can you kick rhcl1?
14:32 druthb Two of you might be one too many, rhcl.
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14:33 wizzyrea :)
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15:25 * kf waves to wizzyrea
15:25 wizzyrea hi kf :)
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15:41 kf hi hdl :)
15:41 hdl hi kf
15:41 hdl going back home
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15:48 kf me to
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16:11 cait hi #koha
16:11 wizzyrea wb cait :)
16:12 cait hi liz :)
16:12 wizzyrea does this report do what I think it does, get the issues (title, barcode) for patrons of that branch?
16:12 wizzyrea select borrowers.firstname, borrowers.surname, borrowers.address, biblio.title, items.barcode from borrowers join issues USING(borrowernumber) join items using(itemnumber) join biblio using(biblionumber)  where  borrowers.zipcode = '66868' and borrowers.branchcode ='OSAGECITY'
16:13 wizzyrea one of my libraries has patrons in Reading, KS which was hit by a tornado this weekend
16:13 wizzyrea they want to know what's out to patrons who live there
16:14 druthb wizzyrea: that'll get one issuer per patron.  you want to select on issues, JOIN borrowers.
16:14 wizzyrea k ii'll try that
16:15 wizzyrea ruth: fyi, both ways gives the same results
16:16 druthb eeeenteresting.
16:16 wizzyrea 34 things, either way (and same things)
16:17 druthb select count(*) borrowers left join issues using (borrowernumber) where itemnumber is not null;  If it returns 34, then you're dead-on...and there are 34 borrowers out there with one item each.  (Which sounds wrong...)
16:18 wizzyrea hrm that says syntax error, but fwiw it is listing 34 issues, some to the same patron
16:18 druthb creepy....
16:18 wizzyrea one lady has 5 things checked out
16:18 wizzyrea another 4, and so on
16:19 wizzyrea oh you forgot your "from'
16:19 druthb ah.
16:20 wizzyrea but this: select count(*) from borrowers left join issues using (borrowernumber) where itemnumber is not null and borrowers.zipcode = '66868' and borrowers.branchcode = 'OSAGECITY' gives 34 :)
16:21 wizzyrea ty for helping me verify :)
16:23 druthb :)
16:23 druthb you betcha. :)
16:27 cait druthb++ and wizzyrea++
16:27 cait :)
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16:39 cait hi Brooke
16:39 Brooke howdy
16:39 wahanui hey, Brooke
16:42 druthb hi, Brooke! :)
16:42 cait Brooke?
16:42 wahanui it has been said that Brooke is deprecated
16:42 Brooke :)
16:42 cait !
16:43 druthb druthb?
16:43 wahanui hmmm... druthb is blogging irregularly at
16:44 Brooke that's not good enough at all
16:45 Oak oh hi Brooke :)
16:45 Brooke :D
16:45 * druthb fears what Brooke will say.
16:45 * Brooke would rather be <3d than feared.
16:45 cait Brooke?
16:45 wahanui Brooke is deprecated
16:46 cait hm
16:46 cait Brooke_?
16:46 wahanui somebody said Brooke_ was sweet, even though she tells us she's not.
16:46 Oak don't you feel loved?
16:46 Brooke by you guys, of course.
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16:47 * druthb <3s Brooke, but fears what she will say.
16:48 cait about?
16:48 Brooke I concur
16:48 Oak that's a common thing with people you love what they "think" and "say"
16:48 Brooke about?
16:48 * Brooke highfives Oak.
16:48 Oak you keep wondering about such things
16:49 Oak :)
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16:49 Brooke you're skipping the border for KohaCon, right?
16:49 Oak no money :|
16:51 Oak but someday i'll be in a KohaCon ... I hope :)
16:51 Oak give you guys real hugs
16:51 Oak not guys
16:52 Oak uh oh
16:52 cait it's ok Oak ;)
16:52 Brooke guys is perfectly fine
16:53 Oak ok then
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17:11 conan if this 'git branch  -r | grep 6328' gives nothing, means that all patches pertaining to bug 6328 are already in master?
17:11 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6328 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , Fine in days does not work
17:11 cait conan: they ar enot
17:11 cait in master I mean
17:11 conan then where are they?
17:11 cait chris notes on the bug once he pushed something, they are waiting for the qa manger's sign off
17:12 conan but why there's no branch then?
17:12 cait there is not always a branch
17:12 cait the patches are on the bug
17:12 cait attached
17:12 conan oh
17:12 conan well, I guess it the same
17:12 conan just wanted to not miss anything
17:12 cait yeah, you can build your own :)
17:13 conan of course
17:18 conan what does mean the scratched text on the links on the comments?
17:18 cait sorry?
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17:19 Brooke welcome back owen
17:19 oleonard conan: If the bug number has a line through it the bug it references has been closed
17:19 cait hi owen
17:19 cait hehe
17:19 conan there are a bunch of attachments in the comments, but only 4 patches up, on the attachment table at the beginning, also some attachements in the comments appear with scratched text
17:20 conan oleonard: not the bug number, but an attachment
17:20 cait yeah, those are replaced by other files
17:20 oleonard conan: Those attachments have been marked as obsolete
17:20 conan ah, so I must ignore those
17:21 conan so I should only apply the patches from the table at the beginning? or I must search in the comments too?
17:21 cait all attachements are listed in the table above
17:22 cait but reading through the bug will give you more explanation
17:22 conan ok, I'm set then
17:22 conan I read everything twice, just didn't want to miss a patch
17:22 conan I need to apply that modifications
17:23 conan later and thanks
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17:32 Oak night
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17:52 Brooke 0/
18:01 library_systems_guy hey is oleonard around?
18:01 Brooke he was shortly.
18:01 Brooke message im
18:02 library_systems_guy will do
18:02 oleonard Here
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18:03 oleonard library_systems_guy?
18:03 wahanui library_systems_guy is, like, missing the build new reports section
18:03 wizzyrea forget library_systems_guy
18:03 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot library_systems_guy
18:03 library_systems_guy lol thanks wizzyrea
18:03 library_systems_guy hey oleonard
18:03 wahanui oleonard is the master UI designer of koha or an awesome bug wrangler
18:03 wizzyrea library_systems_guy is <reply)
18:03 wizzyrea library_systems_guy is <reply>
18:03 wizzyrea library_systems_guy?
18:03 wahanui library_systems_guy is, like, <reply)
18:04 wizzyrea forget library_systems_guy
18:04 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot library_systems_guy
18:04 library_systems_guy forget library_systems_guy
18:04 wizzyrea library_systems_guy is <reply>
18:04 cait back
18:04 wizzyrea library_systems_guy?
18:04 wizzyrea there we go
18:04 library_systems_guy I have a UI question for you oleonard
18:05 library_systems_guy that i just answered myself i think
18:05 oleonard That's the way I roll.
18:05 * library_systems_guy has gone crazy in the css
18:06 library_systems_guy how much damage do you see happening if i take out the 10px margin for doc3 in the YUI lib oleonard
18:07 slef Does the US call borrowed items charged items?
18:07 wizzyrea checkouts
18:08 slef I can see "too many items charged" as a status message
18:08 slef but "too many items billed" is another one
18:08 slef so I'm wondering what the difference is
18:08 wizzyrea oh my
18:08 slef not in Koha, don't worry
18:09 slef
18:09 slef yeah I think I'm right
18:10 cait and I thought my library english was quite ok
18:11 oleonard wizzyrea: Does your library do digital materials through OverDrive?
18:13 library_systems_guy oleonard, is there a reason that all if the content in the opac isn't surrounded by the yui-main div?
18:14 oleonard Sorry library_systems_guy, was just getting asked questions irl about OD.
18:14 Brooke slef: I've seen charged, too. Wanna say the old DRA was charged.
18:14 cait I think all is surrounded by bd, perhaps
18:14 oleonard I don't know offhand about the doc3 margin, other than that you'll have to make other corrections
18:14 library_systems_guy oh its cool oleonard...rl always gets in the way lol
18:15 * cait looked at it yesterday but the yui things are still a bit of a riddle
18:15 library_systems_guy i would just override it in the custom CSS but for some reason the reset grid keeps getting applied after the custom opac css
18:15 oleonard library_systems_guy: The structure of the OPAC followed the guidelines for the YUI CSS grids which siad that "yui-main" was for main content only.
18:15 * library_systems_guy has always been frustrated by yui
18:16 library_systems_guy right right but its not around all of the main content
18:16 library_systems_guy like advsearch for example
18:17 oleonard The advsearch page looks like an omission
18:17 oleonard in that regard
18:17 library_systems_guy intentional?
18:17 oleonard Not that I can recall
18:18 library_systems_guy ok so it would be fine to add it in?
18:18 oleonard But the functional purpose of the "main" id is to have it paired with other classes to create sidebars
18:18 oleonard it may have simply seemed extraneous
18:19 library_systems_guy right...i guess what i am going to use it for is sizing main content
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18:19 oleonard I have no problem with you adding it back in if you're looking for a standard hook for something
18:19 library_systems_guy id like it to only be 75% of the page width while keeping the header at 100%
18:20 oleonard Have you played with this?
18:20 library_systems_guy i haven't...i assume that is where the reset grid got build
18:21 oleonard The reset is separate from the grid
18:21 library_systems_guy i have used YUI before
18:21 oleonard That link is just for building grids. It might help you understand the structures
18:21 library_systems_guy ok thanks
18:32 Brooke Mr. Obama on Éireann's fine soil brings a tear to me wee eye.
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18:43 slef O'bama
18:44 Brooke aye :D
18:45 Brooke there was a Brit in Chicago that did the genealogy on the candidates back then long before our media
18:45 Brooke ripped Palin a nice one for being so blue blooded.
18:45 Brooke it was funny to see em both related.
18:45 magnus_away is now known as magnuse
18:46 Brooke aristocracy = aristocracy, I suppose.
18:47 Brooke speaking of, I've scandalous Tudors episodes from Netflix to catch up on >:)
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19:05 magnuse i'm in Alta to promote koha at a library conference: has koha ever been promoted this far north, i wonder? ;-)
19:06 gmcharlt magnuse: if it was, not in many other places :)
19:07 magnuse :-)
19:07 library_systems_guy yeah you really can't market it much higher than that...unless santa is interested
19:11 magnuse hm, now that you mention it... ;-)
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19:30 cait librarian elves?
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19:42 * jwagner is puzzled -- cait is looking for Elves?
19:42 cait magnuse is looking for santa...
19:42 cait the elves seemed appropriate
19:42 jwagner Ah.  I was envisioning the Tolkein sort of elves....
19:42 magnuse librarian elves? sure!
19:43 magnuse santa must have a cool (pun intended!) library, right?
19:43 magnuse books on how to make all sorts of things...
19:43 cait toys
19:43 oleonard ...the manual for every toy ever
19:44 magnuse yup
19:44 jwagner not to mention The Book (of who's been naughty and who's been nice)
19:44 jwagner That one probably requires superlibrarian access
19:44 * cait wonders what santa thinks about ebooks
19:44 jwagner He's probably in favor -- must lighten the load a lot
19:45 wizzyrea I imagine he contracts with amazon for delivery :P
19:45 library_systems_guy super shipper discount
19:45 wizzyrea digital delivery ;)
19:46 library_systems_guy so i just realized that i forgot to set up zebra during my install...and when i tried to add it to the daemon it fails saying it is unable to read the symlinked file
19:46 wizzyrea permissions?
19:47 library_systems_guy where should i set them?
19:47 wizzyrea you want to have the user who is running zebra have ownership
19:47 library_systems_guy i guess i should have asked that instead of giving my story :p
19:47 wizzyrea so if you are, for example, running zebra as your Koha user, 'koha' should own it
19:47 library_systems_guy but if i was running update-rd.d as sudo then it should have worked right?
19:48 library_systems_guy so koha owns the linked file
19:49 library_systems_guy and root obviously owns the file that is linked in init.d
20:01 library_systems_guy just tried to open the linked file in emacs but i get an error that says the file exists but can't be read...i think i just got told by a text editor "Well There's Your Problem..."
20:02 cait ugh
20:02 cait someone can do math around here?
20:02 rangi wahanui can
20:02 wahanui rangi: i'm not following you...
20:02 cait I order 10 books, each is 10.25 and I get 10% discount frmo the vendor
20:02 cait what is the total
20:02 cait i have to pay?
20:03 cait I always end up with something like 92,25
20:03 library_systems_guy thats what i got...
20:03 library_systems_guy maybe i can't do math either
20:03 cait ok
20:03 rangi 10 * 10.25 * .9
20:03 wahanui 92.25
20:03 cait so why doeskoha suggest 92,20 before I applied paul's patch
20:03 library_systems_guy (10*10.25)*.9
20:03 wahanui 92.25
20:03 cait and 92,10 after?
20:04 cait replace my commas by decimal points
20:04 cait and morning rangi
20:04 magnuse sounds like some kind of rounding thingy?
20:04 rangi not sure but they are both wrong
20:06 cait ok
20:06 cait funny
20:06 cait I added a new order
20:06 cait and on the order entry screen it had 92.25
20:06 cait but in the basket table it has a different value
20:07 * cait wants to cry
20:07 cait an acquisitioon module that can't do math
20:07 cait my world is shattered
20:08 rhcl a good programmer should have the makefile import lisp to do math for koha. Lisp is really good at math.
20:09 library_systems_guy only because it is a language based on recursion :p
20:10 rhcl in the olden days I knew professors that would actually use lisp to solve equations like a calculator
20:10 library_systems_guy i still have a professor that does
20:10 rhcl well
20:10 cait ok guessing
20:11 library_systems_guy and he always has to bring up how it can handle large numbers better than other languages
20:11 rangi perl does math fine
20:11 rangi its not the tools
20:11 cait it calculates the 10% for a single item
20:11 cait rounds
20:11 cait and multiplies
20:11 rangi its the person who used them
20:11 cait but it's still cary
20:11 cait crazy
20:11 rhcl perl is toooo  haaarrrd
20:11 library_systems_guy lol im glad your said that rangi
20:11 cait because, the javascript on the form does it obviously different then what is saved to the database
20:12 rangi yep most of the acq bugs are in js
20:12 cait hm no
20:12 cait according to the math we did
20:12 cait the js is right
20:13 rangi lol at perl is hard
20:13 cait hm?
20:14 rangi just something rhcl said
20:14 library_systems_guy isn't there a way to stop perl from casting until you are done?
20:14 rangi yes
20:14 cait i thik the problem might be that we store the numbers badly
20:14 library_systems_guy by done i mean done processing the floating point number
20:14 rangi and it wont round unless you make it either
20:15 cait we have different data types for amounts in that tables
20:15 rangi like I said, its something we did
20:15 library_systems_guy that is what i thought...but i thought cait was implying the contrary
20:15 cait some have more decimals than others... only sayin
20:15 cait g
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20:16 library_systems_guy oh so we didn't specify how log the float was?
20:16 library_systems_guy long*
20:16 rangi its most likely we tell it to round, before it should
20:16 * library_systems_guy agrees with rangi
20:16 rangi library_systems_guy: cait is talking db
20:16 rangi not perl
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20:16 library_systems_guy yeah i got that
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20:17 library_systems_guy so im sure its just set to float in the db
20:17 rangi and for the above example we dont get lower than 2 dp anyway
20:17 rangi its not that
20:17 rangi its just our math is dumb
20:17 library_systems_guy lol
20:17 library_systems_guy fair enough
20:17 rangi always go for easy solutions first
20:17 library_systems_guy user error :p
20:18 rangi programmer error
20:18 library_systems_guy aww i thought it was easier to assume the user did it (im totally kidding btw)
20:18 cait hmpf. burned my nice example
20:19 rangi thats an easy blame
20:19 rangi not an easy solution :)
20:19 rhcl Occam's razor
20:19 library_systems_guy i know, rangi you remind me of my favorite CS professor
20:19 rangi if the user can do it, then its the programmers fault anyway
20:19 rangi :)
20:20 library_systems_guy haha agreed
20:21 cait ok, I am sure it said 92.10 before
20:21 cait not it always says 9.20
20:21 cait 92.20
20:21 cait but it doesn't matter, it's still wrong, right?
20:24 library_systems_guy is anybody running debian squeeze yet?
20:24 magnuse is now known as magnus_away
20:24 rhcl we are on our test server
20:24 library_systems_guy had any trouble getting zebra running as a daemon?
20:25 library_systems_guy i just read this[…]pendencyBasedBoot
20:26 rhcl trying to recall...not sure.  We had to mod the makefile to remove something which we had to install manually...
20:26 library_systems_guy hmm
20:26 rhcl sorry, not sure I actuallly provided any real info in that answer
20:26 library_systems_guy lol just lots of handwaiving
20:26 library_systems_guy its ok though
20:28 cait oh
20:28 cait oleonard: still around?
20:28 cait ah. never mind.
20:38 cait 2 minutes
20:38 cait nengard is fast
20:41 rangi good answer
20:43 cait nengard++
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20:47 library_systems_guy what log would zebra errors pop up in
20:48 library_systems_guy i get error output in the shell since im just running it manually
20:48 library_systems_guy but the error is cryptic and i was hoping there would be a better one somewhere else
20:48 rhcl increase levels of verbosity????
20:49 library_systems_guy is that a flag that i can set?
20:49 rhcl -vvvv
20:50 library_systems_guy that gave me nothing else...blargh zebra
20:50 rhcl I'm all for shooting the zebra.
20:51 library_systems_guy i don't think you are the only one from what i hear
20:51 rhcl I think it's just z39.50 that's the hold up. I'm all for shooting z39.50 too, for that matter.
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20:51 wizzyrea can't do that, it's a requirement for grants and such.
20:52 Space_Librarian morning #koha
20:52 wizzyrea mornin Space_Librarian
20:52 library_systems_guy morning Space_Librarian
20:52 Space_Librarian :)
20:52 cait mornig Space_Librarian :)
20:52 Space_Librarian evening cait!
20:52 rhcl I think I recall something about Google doing some project or something that would expose the contents of a database that was behind closed doors.
20:52 library_systems_guy and wizzyrea why do you have to kill our fun talks of killing zebra
20:52 wizzyrea I didn't say I didn't agree >.>
20:52 * cait likes the zebra
20:53 cait and z39.50
20:53 wizzyrea just that you can't ditch z39.50 :P
20:53 cait and with that said - I shoud really go to bed now :)
20:53 Space_Librarian copy cataloguers everywhere would rise up if you tried
20:53 wizzyrea ^^
20:53 library_systems_guy sad day
20:53 cait good night #koha
20:53 Space_Librarian night cait
20:53 rhcl night cait
20:53 library_systems_guy night cait
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20:57 rhcl Is OCLC to be the Directorate of Edicts for the library world? -or who exactly says that z39.50 shalt be used for grants? I'm not a librarian, but librarians seem to talk a lot about OCLC...
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20:57 wizzyrea IMLS
20:57 rhcl IMLS to google....
20:58 rhcl Ah. Grants. They have the pizza party money.
20:59 wizzyrea basically, if NEKLS were to go onto a system that didn't have z39.50, we wouldn't be compliant with the terms of the grant we got to set it up.
20:59 wizzyrea Which would be bad.
20:59 Space_Librarian indeed it would be.
21:00 rhcl Is z39.50 a technically good way to exchange information? If we were to start something now with no z39.50 memory of existence, what would be better?
21:01 rangi sru/sw is already better
21:06 rhcl http://americanlibrariesmagazi[…]ost-tornado-chaos
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21:11 rhcl think this is what I remembered seeing earlier:[…]arallelsearching/
21:12 Space_Librarian te puke library
21:12 Space_Librarian ww, sorry
21:16 library_systems_guy rhcl, did you say you were running squeeze and using zebra as a daemon?
21:16 library_systems_guy or just a manual process?
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21:18 rhcl we're running squeeze.
21:18 library_systems_guy and the zebra bit?
21:19 rhcl I think we just ran it once manually. What problems are you having? I can check them here.
21:22 library_systems_guy i get this error when daemonizing the process update-rc.d: error: unable to read /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon
21:28 rhcl Hang on a bit, I'm doing some checking on our system
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21:33 library_systems_guy cool thanks rhcl, im checking something on mine too.  Too bad it requires a fresh install...note to self...never chmod -R 777 an entire directory
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21:50 rhcl lib_sys_guy: OK, here's what we have in our /etc/init.d     As you can see, it's just a link file we created manually.
21:50 rhcl lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root    41 Aug  3  2010 koha-zebra-daemon -> /home/koha/koha-dev/bin/
21:50 rhcl now you are trying to run zebra differently?
21:50 bg @wunder 93109
21:50 huginn` bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 22.3�C (2:54 PM PDT on May 23, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 29.90 in 1012.4 hPa (Falling). Wind Advisory in effect until midnight PDT tonight...
21:51 bg @wunder wellington, nz
21:51 huginn` bg: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0�C (9:00 AM NZST on May 24, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
21:51 wizzyrea @wunder lawrence, ks
21:51 huginn` wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 27.8�C (4:55 PM CDT on May 23, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 20.0�C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1002.9 hPa (Steady).
21:51 bg kind of hard to have a weather comparison when rangi is going into winter
21:51 bg ouch wizzyrea I'd melt with that temp
21:51 library_systems_guy no thats basically it...i think i might have linked to the script in kohaclone instead of koha-dev
21:51 rangi[…]stics-out-of-git/
21:52 mtj heya folks
21:52 wizzyrea a couple of weeks ago it was 33 here
21:52 wizzyrea (no, I"m not kidding)
21:53 rangi hey mtj
21:53 Space_Librarian hey mtj
21:54 bg heya mtj
21:54 bg nice rangi++
21:54 wizzyrea rangi++ stats are fun
21:55 mtj Top lines changed by employer
21:55 mtj BigBallOfWax99150382.1%
21:55 rangi translations
21:55 wahanui translations are there... And might help stoping the warnings.
21:56 mtj aah, click
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21:58 mtj ive been looking at the ptfs/liblime git repo over the weekend, too
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21:58 Space_Librarian hey BobB
21:58 mtj some interesting edits, in that repo
21:59 BobB Good morning all
21:59 mtj morning BobB
21:59 bg heya BobB
22:00 BobB Hi bg
22:11 library_systems_guy hey rhcl just went back and redid everything and this is what i get when i try and update the rc.d "insserv: warning: script 'koha-zebra-daemon' missing LSB tags and overrides"
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22:25 bg hiya hankbank
22:26 library_systems_guy maybe somebody can correct me.  I have a lot of records on another server running Koha.  All I should have to do is move the DB to the newly created server after installing Koha and reindex to have all my bib records searchable correct?
22:26 hankbank aloha bg
22:27 bg yes that is what you'd need to do
22:27 library_systems_guy anything that im leaving out?
22:27 bg don't think so
22:27 library_systems_guy because i still can't see anything in my search results
22:28 bg try "ps aux | grep zebra"
22:28 library_systems_guy i get a daemon process and a self started process
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22:29 bg try searching zebra from the command line
22:29 bg heya pianohacker
22:29 library_systems_guy umm i've never done that
22:29 bg heh
22:29 pianohacker Hallo
22:29 library_systems_guy do you have a quick reference guide lol
22:29 * bg is trying to remember how to get in ther
22:29 bg hey pianohcaker
22:30 bg damn
22:30 bg pianohacker
22:30 pianohacker pianocaker
22:30 pianohacker I actually like that one :)
22:30 bg do you remember how to search zebra from the commandline
22:30 bg heh :) lol
22:30 pianohacker Hrm
22:30 pianohacker oh, right, yaz-client
22:31 bg right
22:31 library_systems_guy o_0
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22:45 gmcharlt @attr 1=4 pianocaker
22:45 huginn` gmcharlt: I suck
22:45 gmcharlt huginn`: clearly we need to teach you z39.50
22:45 huginn` gmcharlt: I suck
22:45 gmcharlt huginn`: you don't get off that easily!
22:45 huginn` gmcharlt: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
22:45 gmcharlt ...
22:45 gmcharlt touche
22:45 bg HA
22:46 bg pianocaker++ :)
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23:11 rangi wb NateC
23:11 pianohacker hi natec, rangi
23:11 NateC Hi rangi, pianohacker
23:12 bg heya NateC
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23:13 rangi hiya collum_
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23:47 library_systems_guy ok so I figured out what the issue was for anybody who is still around that I was talking to earlier
23:47 bg ?
23:47 Space_Librarian is this your zebra problem?
23:47 library_systems_guy i had to completely reindex and clear all existing indexes
23:47 library_systems_guy yeah it is
23:48 bg ah -r ?
23:48 library_systems_guy with 101K records it took awhile
23:48 library_systems_guy actually i did -b -x -v -reset
23:48 library_systems_guy so yeah i guess -r would do it
23:49 bg :)
23:49 library_systems_guy now back to the CSS theming :)
23:50 library_systems_guy does anybody think it would be cool if offered a demo section of all the places that use Koha
23:51 bg what do you mean?  a map of everyone that uses koha?
23:51 library_systems_guy because i think it would be fantastic...but thats just me
23:51 library_systems_guy well a map+link to their Koha implementation
23:51 library_systems_guy im sure a map exists
23:51 bg yeah maps exists
23:51 bg I was thinking of creating a CSS-clearhousing kind of thing
23:52 bg but haven't come up with the best way to do it
23:52 library_systems_guy what do you mean by clearhousing?
23:52 pianohacker (my crazy dream as far as CSS goes is to have a customization interface for the OPAC and staff side built into Koha, but that could be a while)
23:52 bg where you could look or copy anyones CSS (that contributed)
23:52 library_systems_guy omg that is what cait and I were talking about this weekend
23:53 bg yeah a customization interface would be great..  like adding widgets or something
23:53 library_systems_guy but kind of geared more toward theming
23:53 library_systems_guy well while we are dreaming why not just make it all drag and drop
23:53 bg yeah I've challenged my systems guy larryb to come up with something for a CSS-clearinghouse
23:54 bg but he's got a lot on his plate at the moment :)
23:54 bg something like
23:55 library_systems_guy oh yeah that would be cool
23:55 library_systems_guy that larry from bywater?
23:55 bg yup
23:55 library_systems_guy im sorry, Im kind of new so i don't know a lot of the alias to rl conversions lol
23:55 library_systems_guy Larry is new isn't he?
23:55 bg no worries - took me forever too
23:56 bg yeah
23:56 library_systems_guy so i assume you are bywaters CEO
23:56 bg :)
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23:56 bg larryb++
23:56 library_systems_guy nice...well i feel rather humbled
23:56 library_systems_guy hey larryb
23:57 larryb hi there
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23:57 library_systems_guy you can close that ticket I have with you guys
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23:57 library_systems_guy 1436
23:57 bg no worries library_systems_guy++
23:57 larryb got it. thanks.
23:57 pianohacker Dammit, the boundary between "able to take out my battery" and "standby" is about a degree
23:57 bg HA
23:57 library_systems_guy lolz
23:58 library_systems_guy btw larryb just so you know they have changed the way the daemon works in squeeze
23:58 library_systems_guy so i am assuming that the install doc for koha will have to change we debian 6 is officially supported
23:58 larryb Yeah, I figured that. What're they doing different?
23:59 bg ah this the -reset vs. the -r
23:59 library_systems_guy remember whey the switched to using the service command in ubuntu distros
23:59 bg I think that's been patched
23:59 library_systems_guy well the -reset was the solution after i got the daemon up

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