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eythian |
what is the purpose of all the 'notify' stuff in the accounts system? |
| 00:04 |
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hdl |
eythian: sending a message to the patron or the librarian when there is a fine. |
| 00:04 |
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hdl |
iirc |
| 00:04 |
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hdl |
but it is 2 AM here... going to bed. Have a nice evening |
| 00:05 |
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eythian |
do you know how it works? There's notify_id and notify_level... |
| 00:05 |
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eythian |
oh, OK :) |
| 00:05 |
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hdl |
notify id |
| 00:05 |
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eythian |
catch you later |
| 00:05 |
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hdl |
eythian: is it in the present system ? |
| 00:06 |
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eythian |
it's in there, I'm trying to work out if it's being used. |
| 00:10 |
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hdl |
mmmm from my little investigation, seems like an unused and maybe underdeveloped feature |
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eythian |
yeah, I'm getting that impression too. I'm going to strip it out I think. If anyone complains, reimplementing it properly won't be hard. |
| 00:14 |
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hdl |
seems like something developed by and for SAN . |
| 00:14 |
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hdl |
used in GetNotifyMailOps |
| 00:14 |
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hdl |
misc/cronjobs/notifyMailsOp.pl |
| 00:14 |
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hdl |
too tired. |
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hdl |
going to bed sorry |
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Irma |
chris_n ping |
| 01:51 |
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Irma |
:-) |
| 01:52 |
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Irma |
Has the "Recent Acquisitions" under Search on the mainpage.pl in the English interface been removed? It is still there in the French interface: Rechercher * Chercher dans le catalogue : * Acquisitions récentes |
| 01:57 |
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Cybermon |
Good morning all... |
| 02:18 |
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Cybermon |
anyone here ? |
| 02:24 |
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eythian |
nope. |
| 02:24 |
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Cybermon |
:-) |
| 02:28 |
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space_librarian |
we're figments of your imagination... |
| 02:28 |
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wizzyrea |
merely ghosts of koha users in other timezones, adrift in a sea of bits |
| 02:30 |
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space_librarian |
caught in the semantic web... |
| 02:32 |
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wizzyrea |
dragging wraiths of uncataloged books to salvation in organization |
| 02:34 |
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space_librarian |
lest they be caught in the darkness of uncategorized oblivion. |
| 02:41 |
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| 02:49 |
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wizzyrea |
you know 20mb is not that much data, but my broadband at my house is terrible! |
| 02:49 |
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wizzyrea |
this is taking forever! |
| 02:49 |
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* wizzyrea |
remembers when 500Mb was a big hd... o god I'm old now. |
| 02:49 |
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space_librarian |
at least your broadband over there is faster than ours... |
| 02:50 |
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wizzyrea |
you'd think that, but I'm not so sure. |
| 02:50 |
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wizzyrea |
in some places, on some providers, sure |
| 02:50 |
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* space_librarian |
laughs... then remembers that she too can recall when 500Mb was... |
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| 03:27 |
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ebegin |
any centOS specialist around ? |
| 03:44 |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_6058' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]9d5229bfa28cf979d> / Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_6056' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]b066277f104e22ded> / Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_5942' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]b/?p=koha.git;a=c |
| 03:45 |
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jenkins_koha |
Starting build 120 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 03:46 |
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| 03:46 |
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kmkale |
Namaskar #koha |
| 03:46 |
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space_librarian |
namaste kmkale |
| 03:46 |
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kmkale |
hey space_librarian |
| 03:46 |
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wahanui |
hmmm... space_librarian is a new hire at catalyst .. second week eh space_librarian ? |
| 03:47 |
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space_librarian |
that quote is going to get old soon. Hey kmkale... have the parties across India started to wind down yet? :) |
| 03:47 |
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kmkale |
yup |
| 03:48 |
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kmkale |
now its a race between politicians to heap awards on the team |
| 03:48 |
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wizzyrea |
forget space_librarian |
| 03:48 |
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wahanui |
wizzyrea: I forgot space_librarian |
| 03:49 |
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wizzyrea |
space_librarian is a Koha poet |
| 03:49 |
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wizzyrea |
space_librarian? |
| 03:49 |
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wahanui |
i guess space_librarian is a Koha poet |
| 03:49 |
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space_librarian |
wizzyrea: so are you! |
| 03:49 |
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wizzyrea |
wizzyrea? |
| 03:49 |
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wahanui |
you are a wonderful mother, colleague, and friend. |
| 03:49 |
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wizzyrea |
oh my |
| 03:49 |
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wizzyrea |
well that's very sweet |
| 03:49 |
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space_librarian |
that's awesome. lol |
| 03:49 |
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wizzyrea |
wizzyrea is also a koha poet |
| 03:49 |
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wahanui |
okay, wizzyrea. |
| 03:49 |
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wizzyrea |
wizzyrea? |
| 03:49 |
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wahanui |
rumour has it wizzyrea is a wonderful mother, colleague, and friend. or a koha poet |
| 03:50 |
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space_librarian |
haha! |
| 03:50 |
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rangi |
kmkale: https://twitter.com/#!/cricket[…]55233959524704256 |
| 03:50 |
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space_librarian |
rangi: they're bitter over in the Emerald Isle. Fair enough, but damn... |
| 03:51 |
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kmkale |
lol |
| 03:51 |
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rangi |
i would be too |
| 03:51 |
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rangi |
im not gonna bother watching the 2015 |
| 03:51 |
|
rangi |
the ICC are ruining cricket |
| 03:51 |
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kmkale |
and thats really unfair on ireland |
| 03:52 |
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space_librarian |
that's around here, though, isn't it? And I can't believe they did that to Ireland. |
| 03:52 |
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| 03:52 |
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kmkale |
I thought this years format was good. It allowed lower teams to showcase their talent |
| 03:52 |
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kmkale |
hi AmitG |
| 03:52 |
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space_librarian |
and pull off some great upsets. |
| 03:53 |
|
rangi |
yeah |
| 03:53 |
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AmitG |
heya all |
| 03:53 |
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ibeardslee |
sadly cricket just has memories of standing around in the hot sun feeling faint waiting for someone to hit a ball in my direction (for me to miss catching it anyway) |
| 03:53 |
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AmitG |
heya chris, kmkale |
| 03:54 |
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kmkale |
heh |
| 03:55 |
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AmitG |
chris: are you coming for kohacon in India |
| 03:56 |
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* space_librarian |
laughs. She wonders how many times is Rangi going to get asked that question. |
| 03:57 |
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kmkale |
yah. constantly till he says yes ;) |
| 03:58 |
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* space_librarian |
notices her grammar has gone to hell in a handbasket. |
| 03:59 |
|
ibeardslee |
with a nice red and white check lining? |
| 03:59 |
|
space_librarian |
and some red wine and baguettes to keep it company |
| 03:59 |
|
ibeardslee |
mmmm |
| 04:01 |
|
eythian |
that's not a very hellish handbasket. |
| 04:02 |
|
ibeardslee |
you don't want it too hellish when you are going there, you can pick up some extra hell when you get there |
| 04:02 |
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space_librarian |
ibeardslee has the right idea. |
| 04:03 |
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ibeardslee |
of course he has ;) |
| 04:04 |
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space_librarian |
he also has enough sense to not get between a woman and her chocolate tart. Smart, smart man. :p |
| 04:05 |
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ibeardslee |
wasn't sure if the beating would be worth the beating |
| 04:08 |
|
* wizzyrea |
remembers Hell pizza, drools a little |
| 04:08 |
|
* ibeardslee |
hands wizzyrea a napkin |
| 04:08 |
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wizzyrea |
smoked salmon, cream cheese, and caper pizza nommmmmmmmm |
| 04:09 |
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* space_librarian |
hands wizzyrea a box of Hell's pizza |
| 04:09 |
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* wizzyrea |
cries... so beautiful |
| 04:09 |
|
rangi |
its pizza thursday tomorrow |
| 04:09 |
|
ibeardslee |
space_librarian: was that a full box? |
| 04:10 |
|
ibeardslee |
or had you lightened it? |
| 04:10 |
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wizzyrea |
I'd share with space_librarian anyday |
| 04:10 |
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space_librarian |
rangi: was thinking that... ibeardslee: of course it was a full box. I have my own. |
| 04:10 |
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space_librarian |
wizzyrea: :D You're awesome. |
| 04:10 |
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Cybermon |
hi all |
| 04:10 |
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Cybermon |
hi rangi |
| 04:10 |
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ibeardslee |
awww |
| 04:11 |
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space_librarian |
how are you feeling rangi? any better? |
| 04:11 |
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Cybermon |
anyone experience zebra indexing ? |
| 04:13 |
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rangi |
space_librarian: ill live |
| 04:13 |
|
rangi |
Cybermon: your server is not running zebra anymore i switched it back the way you had it, to nozebra |
| 04:13 |
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rangi |
http://124.158.90.2/cgi-bin/ko[…]rch.pl?q=a&limit= |
| 04:15 |
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Cybermon |
thanks. |
| 04:16 |
|
Cybermon |
i think that some books not available for search |
| 04:16 |
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Cybermon |
especially the mongolian books |
| 04:19 |
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Cybermon |
for example: au:Ðацагдорж |
| 04:20 |
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rangi |
yep, probably the proper fix is to set up icu and zebra, but i wont have time to even start looking at that until after the release |
| 04:21 |
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Cybermon |
:-) |
| 04:21 |
|
Cybermon |
what is your advice or suggest ? |
| 04:25 |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_6065' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]d7844d11b57f1e8db> / Bug 6047: Remove check on subfield 3 that prevents biblios from BNF to create corresp... <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]2922b4ae99999a23d> / BZ6065: confirmation when deleting an order <http://git.koha-communi |
| 04:25 |
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jenkins_koha |
Project Koha_master build #120: SUCCESS in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/120/ |
| 04:25 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Alex Arnaud: Bug #6044 - Authority is deleted when mergeto and mergefrom are the same |
| 04:25 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Paul Poulain: BZ6058: uncertain price can't be unchecked |
| 04:25 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6044 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Authority is deleted when mergeto and mergefrom are the same |
| 04:25 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Katrin Fischer: Bug 6056: Notes were not shown when modifying order line |
| 04:25 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Chris Cormack: Bug 5914 : BuildUnimarchierarchies can go into an infinite loop Squashed commit of the following: |
| 04:25 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Stéphane Delaune: Bug 5942, sql for UNIMARC Authorities |
| 04:25 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 5651: Question marks break searches w/ICU |
| 04:25 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6056 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, NEW, Notes on order line not shown when modifying |
| 04:25 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5914 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, henridamien, ASSIGNED, BuildUnimarcHierarchies can go into an infinite loop in certain conditions |
| 04:25 |
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jenkins_koha |
Starting build 121 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 04:25 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5942 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED, UNIMARC Authorities SQL data |
| 04:25 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5651 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED, can't use ? character in searches |
| 04:26 |
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rangi |
Cybermon: email the koha list, cait has done with with icu and hebrew searching, she probably knows the answer |
| 04:27 |
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Cybermon |
thanks a lot |
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Cybermon |
where located zebra indexed files ? |
| 05:05 |
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jenkins_koha |
Project Koha_master build #121: SUCCESS in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/121/ |
| 05:05 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Paul Poulain: BZ6065: confirmation when deleting an order |
| 05:05 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Sophie Meynieux: Bug 6047: Remove check on subfield 3 that prevents biblios from BNF to create corresponding authorities |
| 05:05 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6047 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Authority not added if subfield 3 in biblio |
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jenkins_koha |
Starting build 122 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5941 : (MT4425) Replace search 'an' by 'an, phr' in searchresultlist.tmpl <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]b23d4a3815ae1a166> / Bug 6040 : Adding some error handling to the opac export <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]6bf02dd58e826200e> |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5410 : Adds "do-not-truncate" in the search queries of Heading.pm <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]051bacd89869018f7> |
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kmkale |
AmitG: How about that link? |
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jenkins_koha |
Project Koha_master build #122: SUCCESS in 39 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/122/ |
| 05:45 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Chris Cormack: Bug 6040 : Adding some error handling to the opac export |
| 05:45 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Alex Arnaud: Bug 5941 : (MT4425) Replace search 'an' by 'an, phr' in searchresultlist.tmpl |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6040 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, NEW, opac-export.pl can throw an untrapped error when trying to export an invalid record |
| 05:45 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5941 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, alex.arnaud, ASSIGNED, Change the link in the authority search results, to a phrase search |
| 05:45 |
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jenkins_koha |
Starting build 123 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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* ebegin |
is looking for someone with CentOS experience. :) |
| 06:09 |
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* kmkale |
has lots of CentOS experience |
| 06:10 |
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* kmkale |
but not with Koha+CentOS |
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cait |
bbl :) |
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jenkins_koha |
Project Koha_master build #123: SUCCESS in 39 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/123/ |
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jenkins_koha |
Frédérick Capovilla: Bug 5410 : Adds "do-not-truncate" in the search queries of Heading.pm |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5410 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, fcapovilla, ASSIGNED, "Right truncation not supported" error when running link_bibs_to_authorities.pl |
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eythian |
damn, I didn't notice ronald had logged in. |
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hdl |
fredericd: around ? |
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rangi |
evening |
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hdl |
hi rangi |
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eythian |
rangi: almost got the accounts stuff reproducing the old behaviour with a few extensions using the new API. |
| 07:20 |
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rangi |
w00t |
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rangi |
well one |
| 07:20 |
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eythian |
how're you? |
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francharb |
hello all |
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rangi |
well done even |
| 07:21 |
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rangi |
eythian: doing a lot better, should be back on deck tomorrow, its amazing what some sleep can do |
| 07:21 |
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eythian |
awesome :) |
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eythian |
and cleaning up a lot of code as I go, which is satisfying, too. |
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rangi |
yeah thats always a good feeling |
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cait |
bonjour #koha |
| 07:26 |
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rangi |
hi cait |
| 07:26 |
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cait |
hi rangi |
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cait |
how are you? |
| 07:26 |
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rangi |
doing better, should be all good by tomorrow |
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rangi |
how many people today? |
| 07:28 |
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mtj |
rangi: theres a bug going around at werk? |
| 07:28 |
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eythian |
rangi: quick question, if I do: <input type="hidden" name="default_message" value="Payment, thanks" /> will that text string be translateable? |
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rangi |
mtj: no more than usual, was just wondering how many hackfesters there are |
| 07:32 |
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rangi |
eythian: yep thats fine |
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eythian |
sweet. cait, there you go :) |
| 07:32 |
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cait |
huh? |
| 07:33 |
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eythian |
cait: you were asking for that string to be translatable. |
| 07:33 |
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eythian |
http://abandonwear.biz/fullcatalog/ <-- oh wow! |
| 07:33 |
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cait |
h |
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cait |
ah :) |
| 07:33 |
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cait |
yes :) |
| 07:33 |
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cait |
eythian++ :) |
| 07:33 |
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cait |
eythian - you can check it quite easily - I have to do that sometimes too |
| 07:33 |
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mtj |
ah ok, i picked up a nasty sore throat on monday, and wondered if it was doing the rounds.. |
| 07:33 |
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cait |
perl install update somelanguagecode |
| 07:34 |
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cait |
and check the created po file for the strings |
| 07:34 |
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eythian |
mtj: there have been a lot of people away sick lately, so I think there is something going around. |
| 07:34 |
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eythian |
cait: good point, although no time right now. Either way, it's been refactored to a much higher level now so should it need to change, it's a lot easier. |
| 07:34 |
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cait |
:) |
| 07:35 |
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cait |
eythian: hm I wonder - it will save the translated string into description in the database? |
| 07:35 |
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cait |
or will the formatting / strings all be on template level? |
| 07:35 |
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eythian |
it saves into the database. |
| 07:35 |
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cait |
oh... |
| 07:35 |
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cait |
;) |
| 07:36 |
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eythian |
It's easy to make it a real input box now though, so people could add custom notes or whatever. |
| 07:36 |
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cait |
you know, it would be really cool if one could switch the language in opac to english it would still look ok :) |
| 07:36 |
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cait |
hm I see why that would be good |
| 07:36 |
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eythian |
hmm |
| 07:37 |
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eythian |
Well, we could do something like 'if it's a blank message and a payment type, then display the default message'. |
| 07:37 |
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eythian |
but I won't for now, first priority is making it work :) |
| 07:37 |
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clrh |
hi everyone |
| 07:37 |
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mtj |
eythian: love the abandonwear site! |
| 07:37 |
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eythian |
yeah, it's a brilliant idea :) |
| 07:38 |
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clrh |
hdl 5102 is about 3.0 and master does not need it what do I do with it? |
| 07:39 |
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eythian |
> my $user = $input->remote_user; |
| 07:39 |
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eythian |
I don't think that'll ever work, right? |
| 07:40 |
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hdl |
clrh: you may close |
| 07:40 |
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clrh |
ok hdl |
| 07:40 |
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rangi |
eythian: that works with http auth |
| 07:40 |
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clrh |
wich status? |
| 07:40 |
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clrh |
wontfix? |
| 07:40 |
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rangi |
but not with our cookie based |
| 07:40 |
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eythian |
yeah, that's what I thought. It was how the staff user that was doing the payment was recorded. |
| 07:41 |
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hdl |
rangi: around 20 folks |
| 07:41 |
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matts_away is now known as matts |
| 07:41 |
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cait |
eythian: yep - make it work :) |
| 07:41 |
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eythian |
Need to find how to get the user ID without bothering with the template guff. |
| 07:41 |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5924 : C4::AuthoritiesMarc.pm search enhancement <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]b78fb4de91da44419> / bug 4837 make circ print page show item type description <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]8ef91de1bbe67f457> / Bug 4196 -Followup : Defintion of popularity index into Unimarc setup <http://git.koha-community.or |
| 07:41 |
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cait |
eythian: and being able to save it in german will be good too |
| 07:42 |
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eythian |
Oh, we have a template defined here anyway. Easy. |
| 07:42 |
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eythian |
cait: user IDs don't need to be in German :) |
| 07:42 |
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cait |
was still talking about description |
| 07:43 |
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cait |
I am too slow for irc this morning - still waking up |
| 07:43 |
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eythian |
oh right, it'll work in whatever it's translated into :) |
| 07:44 |
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rangi |
eythian: the user is logged in already eh? |
| 07:44 |
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eythian |
rangi: yeah, the staff user. But I found that was already looked up so it's OK. |
| 07:44 |
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jenkins_koha |
Starting build 124 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 07:45 |
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rangi |
cool C4::Context->userenv is the way i was going to suggest |
| 07:45 |
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eythian |
ah, good to know |
| 07:49 |
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eythian |
oh, I've got two ways that partial payments may work: one is that the user gives you $10 and you pay off $10 worth of whatever is there, the other is you say what you want paid off, and what you want partially paid off with an amount and it does the maths to work out how much they paid you. At the moment I'm doing the latter, but I just thought that the former is a likely use case too. |
| 07:49 |
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eythian |
But it probably requires a seperate form. |
| 07:50 |
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rangi |
yeah |
| 07:50 |
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rangi |
they would both be use cases |
| 07:51 |
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fredericd |
rangi: For 3.4 with TT, tmpl_process3.pl has to be rewritten. You explained me that it was done or about to be done. Will it change the produced .po files? |
| 07:51 |
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fredericd |
I mean if I create .po files now on HTML::Template, will they be usable to update, install on TT? |
| 07:51 |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_5555' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]688858b2b19e97e37> / Bug5555 Corrected search for ISBN / ISSN <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]d91d4b4506528a051> |
| 07:54 |
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rangi |
fredericd: its been done and yes they will still be able to update |
| 07:54 |
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rangi |
po files dont care at all about how they were made |
| 07:54 |
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rangi |
all the have is a string in one language, that maps to a string in another language |
| 07:55 |
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rangi |
checkout out new/enh/bug_5917 |
| 07:55 |
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rangi |
in the misc/translator dir |
| 07:55 |
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rangi |
thats the reworked translate scripts, you can use them in the exact same way |
| 07:55 |
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rangi |
i created translated .tt files from the 3.2 po files |
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fredericd |
rangi: So there isn't any chance that string extraction differs, even marginaly, if done on HTML::Template or TT and so disrupts install/update process? |
| 07:59 |
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rangi |
theres a chance, havent seen it happen yet, you can expirement with 5917 |
| 07:59 |
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rangi |
check it out |
| 07:59 |
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rangi |
mv koha-tmpl to koha-tmpl.old |
| 07:59 |
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rangi |
mv koha-tt koha-tmpl |
| 08:00 |
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rangi |
then try updating some of the 3.2 ones |
| 08:00 |
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rangi |
any testing would be appreciated |
| 08:00 |
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rangi |
5917 tracks master |
| 08:02 |
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fredericd |
or I could try creating .po files on master (HTML:/Template) and on this branch, and see if there is any difference? |
| 08:03 |
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rangi |
there will be differences |
| 08:03 |
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rangi |
order, and the comments etc |
| 08:04 |
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rangi |
the main point is that people dont have to retranslate |
| 08:04 |
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rangi |
that we can upgrade a 3.2 po file |
| 08:04 |
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rangi |
and use it for 3.4 |
| 08:05 |
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rangi |
thats what we are aiming for, that we can use the 3.2 files |
| 08:07 |
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fredericd |
rangi: Some contextualizaton... The demand originated from the Marseille hackfesters. They would like to begin translating. So I could generate .po file on current HEAD templates. Is it certain that those pre-3.4 .po file will upgrade smoothly to TT? |
| 08:08 |
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rangi |
i wouldnt do that |
| 08:08 |
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rangi |
i would check out 5917, and update the 3.2 po files there using the method i outlined before |
| 08:09 |
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rangi |
then they will be guaranteed to work with the TT ones, because they will have been updated by the new translation tools |
| 08:09 |
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fredericd |
So wouldn't start translating 3.4 string on HTML::Template branch but do it on the TT one? |
| 08:09 |
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hdl |
Do you think there will be much changes in strings ? |
| 08:10 |
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rangi |
on the 8th when i call string freeze, the TT branch will be merged into master |
| 08:10 |
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rangi |
so starting on that now makes more sense to me |
| 08:10 |
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fredericd |
me too |
| 08:10 |
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rangi |
hdl: not a huge amount in the opac, quite a lot in the staff side, lots of patches have changed templates |
| 08:10 |
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fredericd |
but there are volunteer in Marseille available for starting the job... |
| 08:11 |
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hdl |
rangi: I have a template uri... But that move directory was not done with git... |
| 08:11 |
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rangi |
no you do it yourself |
| 08:11 |
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rangi |
thats why i list doing it |
| 08:11 |
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clrh |
hackfest - available to work on another subject "other sign off" or "circulation sign off" or other now |
| 08:11 |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5868: Subject indexes do not search 6xx fields <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]3dae091bbf0a0b34b> |
| 08:11 |
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rangi |
because i need to track both currently |
| 08:11 |
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rangi |
as patches are still coming in for the old templates |
| 08:12 |
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hdl |
rangi: but when you push new patches, you have to redo all over again... And breaks the site. |
| 08:12 |
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rangi |
ill git mv them just before i merge but for now, check out the branch, do the mvs |
| 08:12 |
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rangi |
hdl: yes, you do |
| 08:13 |
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rangi |
and i do it every day on my testing site, i have to have both or i cant apply patches |
| 08:13 |
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rangi |
it is only 3 days till string freeze |
| 08:13 |
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rangi |
the more 5917 gets tested before then |
| 08:13 |
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rangi |
the less broken master wil be after then |
| 08:16 |
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cait |
oh I totally forgot about string freeze! |
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* cait |
waves to paul_p |
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cait |
bug 6073 |
| 08:21 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6073 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED, string missing for translation in acq.js |
| 08:21 |
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cait |
this is a complicated one- it will not break anything, it will just not work |
| 08:22 |
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cait |
what should I do? |
| 08:23 |
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hdl |
rangi: on ./translate update |
| 08:23 |
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hdl |
=> Wide character in print at ./xgettext.pl line 221. |
| 08:23 |
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hdl |
Wide character in print at ./xgettext.pl line 221. |
| 08:23 |
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hdl |
/tmp/l803KrhVd9:35360:14: Séquence d'octets multiples invalide |
| 08:23 |
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hdl |
/tmp/l803KrhVd9:60527:9: Séquence d'octets multiples invalide |
| 08:23 |
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hdl |
msgmerge: 2 erreurs fatales trouvées |
| 08:24 |
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rangi |
yep, that means there is a bad character in the .po file |
| 08:24 |
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jenkins_koha |
Project Koha_master build #124: SUCCESS in 39 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/124/ |
| 08:24 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Frédérick Capovilla: Corrects an error when showing a suggestion linked to a deleted budget. |
| 08:24 |
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jenkins_koha |
* fdurand: Bug 4196 - Defintion of popularity index into Unimarc setup |
| 08:24 |
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jenkins_koha |
* fdurand: Bug 4196 -Followup : Defintion of popularity index into Unimarc setup |
| 08:24 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Nicole Engard: bug 4837 make circ print page show item type description |
| 08:24 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4196 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED, Defintion of popularity index into Unimarc setup |
| 08:24 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Henri-Damien LAURENT: Bug 5924 : C4::AuthoritiesMarc.pm search enhancement |
| 08:24 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4837 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, guillaume.hatt, ASSIGNED, Circulation Print Page uses incorrect heading / incorrect information |
| 08:24 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5924 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, henridamien, ASSIGNED, Authorities search : Heading Main is defined in unimarc record.abs |
| 08:24 |
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jenkins_koha |
Starting build 125 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 08:27 |
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* rangi |
goes for a lie down |
| 08:27 |
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hdl |
good nigh |
| 08:27 |
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hdl |
t |
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| 08:29 |
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rangi |
hdl: try opening the file in poedit it might tell you where the bad char is, now im really gone :) |
| 08:30 |
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cait |
rangi: sleep well |
| 08:30 |
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rangi |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ing,_6_April_2011 |
| 08:31 |
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rangi |
just a lie down, not sleep, meeting in 1.5 hours |
| 08:31 |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Partial fix for Bug 4870, Damaged status does not prevent items from being selected... <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]2c72c83216d55f0c1> |
| 08:32 |
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rangi |
altho i might not wake up |
| 08:32 |
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* rangi |
wanders off again! |
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* eythian |
has a restructured accounts system that has the ability to do partial payments. That's a good time to go home. |
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cait |
:) |
| 08:55 |
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cait |
eythian: when can I test and sign-off? |
| 08:55 |
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cait |
and have a nice evening :) |
| 08:56 |
|
* SpaceLibrarian_home |
can't believe eythian's still at work |
| 08:56 |
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eythian |
a little while yet, but it's mostly downhill from here :) |
| 08:56 |
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eythian |
SpaceLibrarian_home: i'm not a quitter like you ;) |
| 08:56 |
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* SpaceLibrarian_home |
feels guilty |
| 08:57 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
:) I have manuals to write though. And I took work home with me. I guess that's okay then. |
| 08:58 |
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eythian |
I don't have two monitors at home, so prefer to do this sort of thing here :) |
| 09:03 |
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pastebot0 |
"eythian" at 202.78.240.7 pasted "new accounts status" (12 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/197 |
| 09:03 |
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eythian |
cait et al: that's what I'm up to with it now |
| 09:04 |
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jenkins_koha |
Project Koha_master build #125: SUCCESS in 39 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/125/ |
| 09:04 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Janusz Kaczmarek: Bug5555 Corrected search for ISBN / ISSN |
| 09:04 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 5868: Subject indexes do not search 6xx fields |
| 09:04 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5868 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED, Subject indexes do not search most 6xx fields |
| 09:04 |
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jenkins_koha |
Starting build 126 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 09:05 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
eythian: fair enough. I wish I had 2 monitors at home. |
| 09:06 |
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eythian |
Yeah, one of these days I'll do that. |
| 09:06 |
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* eythian |
makes like a tree and gets outta here |
| 09:07 |
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cait |
eythian++ |
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Brooke_ |
kia ora! |
| 09:27 |
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magnuse |
kia ora Brooke_! |
| 09:28 |
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Brooke_ |
:) |
| 09:28 |
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AmitG |
heya Brookie |
| 09:34 |
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* Brooke_ |
is fairly certain the people over on the Washington Post forum and elsewhere claiming that this isn't a revenue problem failed either basic maths or basic civics... |
| 09:35 |
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cait |
hi Brooke_ |
| 09:35 |
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cait |
hm |
| 09:35 |
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Brooke_ |
guten morgen! |
| 09:36 |
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cait |
search for patrons in patron card creation only works with category codes (A = Adult and such), not the descriptions - bug? |
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Brooke_ |
sounds like it |
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cait |
magnus++ for marzipan |
| 09:41 |
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frido |
just arrived, ready to hack |
| 09:42 |
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cait |
:) |
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cait |
morning jwagner |
| 09:44 |
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jwagner |
Guten tag, cait! |
| 09:44 |
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jenkins_koha |
Project Koha_master build #126: SUCCESS in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/126/ |
| 09:44 |
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jenkins_koha |
Owen Leonard: Partial fix for Bug 4870, Damaged status does not prevent items from being selected for reserves |
| 09:44 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4870 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, christophe.croullebois, ASSIGNED, Damaged status does not prevent items from being selected for reserves |
| 09:45 |
|
magnuse |
so i want to sign off on a branch, specifically http://git.koha-community.org/[…]g_qa/enh/bug_5422 - do i just change the status in bugzilla to signed off, or do i generate patches, sign off on them and send them to the patches list? |
| 09:47 |
|
cait |
hm, this does not look right for me (translation) - any ideas? |
| 09:47 |
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cait |
alert("Please choose at least one Z39.50 target"); |
| 09:48 |
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jwagner |
cait, it looks OK, assuming it's a warning message when someone tries a z39.50 search without choosing a target |
| 09:48 |
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magnuse |
cait: looks good to me |
| 09:48 |
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cait |
jwagner it's ok |
| 09:49 |
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cait |
but I think it's missing the markers for proper pickup from the translation tool |
| 09:49 |
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jwagner |
ah. can't help you there :-) |
| 09:49 |
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cait |
it works fine :) only questioning the translation side of things |
| 09:49 |
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cait |
I think it should probably more look like this |
| 09:49 |
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cait |
alert(_('leader has an incorrect size: ' + leader_length + ' instead of 24 chars')); |
| 09:52 |
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| 09:52 |
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frido |
i say yes, _() is a javascript function to isolate strings for translations |
| 09:53 |
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frido |
it is useless for execution |
| 09:54 |
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cait |
frido: I tried a search on the git repo and if that's true we have a lot of problems with alert strings in there :( |
| 09:54 |
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cait |
only very few strings using the _( |
| 09:55 |
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frido |
ah, i know a lot of them |
| 09:55 |
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cait |
hmpf. |
| 09:55 |
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cait |
perhaps another project for this week |
| 09:55 |
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cait |
something to do before string freeze |
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| 09:56 |
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frido |
some strings are translated anyway i think |
| 09:56 |
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rangi |
i dont think you need the _ for alerts |
| 09:56 |
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frido |
but it might brake js code |
| 09:57 |
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rangi |
when its just an alert containing a string |
| 09:57 |
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frido |
_() is usefull if there are variables no ? : alter("string" + var + "string") |
| 09:57 |
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rangi |
yeah |
| 09:58 |
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frido |
it will give msgid : "string %s string" in PO file |
| 09:58 |
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rangi |
yep |
| 09:58 |
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cait |
rangi: I am testing it |
| 09:58 |
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cait |
did you sleep? |
| 09:58 |
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rangi |
a little |
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| 09:59 |
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cait |
ah ok |
| 09:59 |
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Brooke_ |
truf: kiwis only need chocolate or coffee. Not sleep. |
| 09:59 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
yes. |
| 10:00 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
Unless the bionic and have been running at 250% for the past while... |
| 10:00 |
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cait |
not only true for kiwis :) |
| 10:00 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
they are* |
| 10:00 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
:) |
| 10:00 |
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Brooke_ |
the bionic ones need ttfu then :P |
| 10:02 |
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cait |
hm, rangi: string was not found in my updated po files :( |
| 10:03 |
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rangi |
youll have to talk to the translation manager then |
| 10:04 |
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cait |
oh right |
| 10:04 |
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cait |
so you think we should make it pick up the alerts? |
| 10:04 |
|
cait |
without marking them _( |
| 10:04 |
|
cait |
? |
| 10:04 |
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rangi |
i thought it did already |
| 10:04 |
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cait |
hm |
| 10:04 |
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rangi |
but yeah, translation managers decision |
| 10:05 |
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jwagner |
There is a meeting scheduled for now, isn't there? |
| 10:05 |
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cait |
fredericd: ping |
| 10:05 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
jwagner: yep |
| 10:05 |
|
magnuse |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ing,_6_April_2011 |
| 10:05 |
|
|
thd-away is now known as thd |
| 10:05 |
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jwagner |
Glad I didn't get up this early in vain :-) |
| 10:06 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
:) |
| 10:06 |
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thd |
:) |
| 10:06 |
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Brooke_ |
bah, it ain't early if birds are awake |
| 10:06 |
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thd |
my hand is still asleep |
| 10:07 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
I'm still waiting to go to bed... :p |
| 10:08 |
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thd |
was there an announcement on the mailing list? |
| 10:08 |
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thd |
s/announcement/reminder/ |
| 10:08 |
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cait |
so, should we start the meeting? |
| 10:09 |
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thd |
Where is the release manager? |
| 10:09 |
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rangi |
here as always |
| 10:09 |
|
* thd |
was forgetting that chris is taken |
| 10:10 |
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hdl |
hi |
| 10:10 |
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* cait |
sends rangi chocolate to keep him awake |
| 10:10 |
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* SpaceLibrarian_home |
sends milo |
| 10:11 |
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* Brooke_ |
follows cait with a flat white |
| 10:11 |
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* SpaceLibrarian_home |
laughs |
| 10:11 |
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rangi |
who is going to chair? |
| 10:11 |
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thd |
my hand is awake, therefore, it must be time to start. |
| 10:11 |
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cait |
feeling up to it rangi? |
| 10:11 |
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rangi |
nope |
| 10:11 |
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rangi |
im gonna do my 3.4 and go to sleep |
| 10:11 |
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* Brooke_ |
points at cait. |
| 10:12 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
rangi ++ |
| 10:12 |
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thd |
I nominate cait |
| 10:12 |
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Brooke_ |
second |
| 10:12 |
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Brooke_ |
motion carries |
| 10:12 |
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Brooke_ |
cait's chairing. |
| 10:12 |
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rangi |
http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot |
| 10:12 |
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cait |
I don't know the bot |
| 10:12 |
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hdl |
follow the link |
| 10:12 |
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rangi |
might be a bit unfair without giving her time to read up on the bot |
| 10:12 |
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thd |
That was my excuse :) |
| 10:12 |
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cait |
and it's my excuse too |
| 10:13 |
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rangi |
and we want volunteers not appointed |
| 10:13 |
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Brooke_ |
not a very good one, if Brooke can do it anyone can :P |
| 10:13 |
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cait |
what about Brooke_ - she did a great job last time |
| 10:13 |
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Brooke_ |
Fine, I'll chair, but you're getting a tyrant ant this hour :P |
| 10:13 |
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Brooke_ |
#startmeeting |
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huginn |
Meeting started Wed Apr 6 10:14:24 2011 UTC. The chair is Brooke_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
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huginn |
Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. |
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Brooke_ |
#topic Introductions |
| 10:13 |
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Brooke_ |
introduce yourselves to noone in particular - go! |
| 10:14 |
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rangi |
Chris Cormack, RM |
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thd |
Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City |
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* hdl |
Henri-Damien LAURENT, France RMaint 3.0 |
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* magnuse |
Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway (currently in Marseille ;-) |
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jwagner |
Jane Wagner, LibLime/PTFS |
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* cait |
Katrin Fischer, BSZ |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
Shelley Gurney, Catalyst |
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* clrh |
Claire Hernandez, BibLibre |
| 10:16 |
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* thd |
has read the bot manual and cannot claim ignorance in future. |
| 10:16 |
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cait |
thd: not sure this was a clever move |
| 10:17 |
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Brooke_ |
anyone else for introductions? |
| 10:17 |
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frido |
Fridolyn SOMERS, Progilone |
| 10:18 |
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hdl |
BobB: Irma ? AmitG ? |
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AmitG |
heya Amit G |
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Irma |
Bonsoir hdl |
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hdl |
Hi |
| 10:19 |
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Irma |
Salut! |
| 10:19 |
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hdl |
regular meeting now ;) |
| 10:19 |
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Irma |
oh |
| 10:19 |
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hdl |
(introductions) |
| 10:19 |
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Brooke_ |
#topic Roadmap to 3.2 update |
| 10:20 |
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Irma |
Irma Birchall CALYX Australia |
| 10:20 |
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rangi |
no chris_n i dont think |
| 10:20 |
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Brooke_ |
is the other chris awake? |
| 10:20 |
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rangi |
but he outlined his plan in an email to the list |
| 10:20 |
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Brooke_ |
that counts. |
| 10:20 |
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Irma |
thanks for the heads up hdl |
| 10:20 |
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rangi |
releasing 3.2.7 on the 15th (ish) |
| 10:21 |
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Brooke_ |
if some dear soul will take the time to link that to the wiki agenda and minutes, would be great |
| 10:21 |
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Brooke_ |
else I'll do it later |
| 10:21 |
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rangi |
#link http://lists.koha-community.or[…]March/035273.html |
| 10:22 |
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Irma |
hi all |
| 10:22 |
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Brooke_ |
hooray |
| 10:22 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
hi Irma. |
| 10:22 |
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Brooke_ |
any 3.2 comments or queries? |
| 10:22 |
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hdl |
keep up the very good job |
| 10:22 |
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Brooke_ |
indeed, huzzah for frequent and timely releases |
| 10:23 |
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hdl |
chris_n++ |
| 10:23 |
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Brooke_ |
chris_n++ |
| 10:23 |
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cait |
chris_n++ |
| 10:23 |
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Irma |
chris_n++ |
| 10:24 |
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Brooke_ |
#topic 3.0 update |
| 10:24 |
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Brooke_ |
hdl? |
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wahanui |
hdl is sure that Croswalking records in zebra is also ram demanding. |
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* hdl |
hides away |
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hdl |
still striving to get one out |
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magnuse |
(lunch pizzas just arrived in Marseille ;-) |
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* Brooke_ |
tosses the penalty flag at Magnus |
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Brooke_ |
unsportsmanlike conduct, taunting, 5 yard penalty. |
| 10:25 |
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* SpaceLibrarian_home |
agrees with Brooke_ |
| 10:26 |
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rangi |
do we think we still need another 3.0 release, or should we call it done? |
| 10:26 |
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Brooke_ |
theoretically, you might stall a couple and 3.4 will be out |
| 10:27 |
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Brooke_ |
further ideas about the necessity of 3.0 |
| 10:27 |
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Brooke_ |
<--- not neutral on the topic |
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hdl |
rangi: maybe not... actually. But we agreed to end the loop |
| 10:27 |
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thd |
loop? |
| 10:28 |
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rangi |
yep, but we can always change our minds :) |
| 10:28 |
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hdl |
the cycle |
| 10:28 |
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Irma |
can't see the necessity of 3.0 releases |
| 10:28 |
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thd |
Which cycle? |
| 10:28 |
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hdl |
cycle of releases. |
| 10:28 |
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Brooke_ |
anyone present who *can* see the necessity of a 3.0 release, identify now or forever be lost in the sands of time. |
| 10:28 |
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thd |
I only see the issue of security. |
| 10:29 |
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hdl |
Brooke_: the whole community is not there. |
| 10:29 |
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thd |
However, 3.2 could be recommended for security. |
| 10:29 |
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cait |
perhaps raise it on the mailing list? |
| 10:29 |
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rangi |
im just thinking that decision was made a long time ago |
| 10:29 |
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Brooke_ |
aye cait |
| 10:29 |
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clrh |
so, we can close the 3.0 patches if master does not need it? |
| 10:29 |
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Irma |
cait has a good idea |
| 10:29 |
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* cait |
hides |
| 10:29 |
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Brooke_ |
so |
| 10:29 |
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rangi |
(10 months since 3.0.6) |
| 10:30 |
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Brooke_ |
#action raise question of ending 3.0 on the list |
| 10:30 |
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Brooke_ |
any other 3.0 business? |
| 10:31 |
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Brooke_ |
#topic 3.4 update |
| 10:31 |
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Brooke_ |
take it away Rangi :) |
| 10:32 |
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rangi |
we are past feature freeze, i have moved some bugs to rel_3_6 already |
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rangi |
string freeze is on the 8th |
| 10:33 |
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clrh |
at Marseille we are doing our best to signoff etc. :) |
| 10:33 |
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Brooke_ |
merci! |
| 10:33 |
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rangi |
and yes the hackfesters are signing off lots |
| 10:33 |
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cait |
we try our best |
| 10:33 |
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Irma |
hackfesters ++ |
| 10:33 |
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hdl |
we had a testing group who is testing the template toolkit branch |
| 10:33 |
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rangi |
after teh 8th |
| 10:33 |
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hdl |
and beginning translation (french) |
| 10:34 |
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rangi |
i am going to merge new/enh/bug_5917 into master |
| 10:34 |
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Brooke_ |
for clarification's sake 8th UTC or Kiwi? |
| 10:34 |
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cait |
bug 5917 |
| 10:34 |
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rangi |
UTC |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5917 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Switch Koha to use Template::Toolkit |
| 10:34 |
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hdl |
#link http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5917 |
| 10:34 |
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huginn |
Bug 5917: enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Switch Koha to use Template::Toolkit |
| 10:34 |
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hdl |
we are testing also the bug 5579 |
| 10:34 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5579 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED, Remove items from biblioitems.marcxml |
| 10:34 |
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rangi |
i will continue to convert and merge changes to the old templates |
| 10:35 |
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hdl |
#link http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5579 |
| 10:35 |
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huginn |
Bug 5579: critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED, Remove items from biblioitems.marcxml |
| 10:35 |
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cait |
magnus was working on my bug for adding state to borrowers - can this go in before template toolkit? |
| 10:35 |
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rangi |
but from them on, all new patches should be done against master, ie Template::Toolkit |
| 10:35 |
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rangi |
i will write a mail about how to sign off and test old patches too |
| 10:36 |
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rangi |
but we are on track for an ontime release |
| 10:36 |
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rangi |
with a LOT of new feautures and even more fixes in it |
| 10:36 |
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hdl |
the automated translation of template is documented. |
| 10:36 |
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cait |
yay! |
| 10:36 |
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Brooke_ |
rangi++ and the community++ |
| 10:37 |
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Irma |
What team work! |
| 10:37 |
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rangi |
hdl: yep, its quite easy to do |
| 10:38 |
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rangi |
for 3.6 we can start reorganising the templates, but for now, not doing that so that we can get the old patches in |
| 10:38 |
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rangi |
i think thats all from me |
| 10:38 |
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rangi |
except to thank everyone for helping |
| 10:38 |
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Brooke_ |
floor comments for 3.4? |
| 10:39 |
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hdl |
rangi: can you post the link for template toolkit translation |
| 10:40 |
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thd |
Do I understand that Template::Toolkit will be the basis for all templates in 3.4 or is that being postponed until 3.6? |
| 10:40 |
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hdl |
the first |
| 10:40 |
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wahanui |
the first is trivial to fix. second is a db update |
| 10:41 |
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Brooke_ |
anything else? |
| 10:41 |
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wahanui |
anything else is reinventing the wheel. |
| 10:42 |
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thd |
What is the reason for a DB update for templates? |
| 10:42 |
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hdl |
wahanui is a bot |
| 10:42 |
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wahanui |
i already had it that way, hdl. |
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thd |
:) |
| 10:42 |
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rangi |
hdl: ./installer/html-template-to-template-toolkit.pl -? |
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hdl |
wahanui: forget the first |
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wahanui |
hdl: I forgot first |
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hdl |
rangi: yes... and page documenting that |
| 10:43 |
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rangi |
that is the page documenting that |
| 10:43 |
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Brooke_ |
talked out on 3.4? |
| 10:43 |
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* Irma |
is wondering if anyone is working on a Serbian translation? |
| 10:43 |
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rangi |
feel free to put that on a page :) |
| 10:44 |
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Brooke_ |
#topic KohaCon2011 |
| 10:44 |
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Brooke_ |
pinch hitter for kmkale? |
| 10:46 |
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thd |
Maybe kmkale needed a reminder about this meeting. |
| 10:46 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
the volunteers meeting is on Friday... |
| 10:46 |
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Irma |
16:17 Wednesday (IST) - Time in Mumbai, Maharashtra, India |
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Irma |
should we email him? (says me who needed a reminder too...) |
| 10:48 |
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Brooke_ |
#help someone to send out a meeting reminder |
| 10:48 |
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thd |
Well yes, but we too often have neglected sending a reminder to the mailing list. |
| 10:48 |
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Irma |
KMKale might not be available on short notice |
| 10:49 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
he timed out just before the meeting... |
| 10:51 |
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Brooke_ |
Shelley would you please link the volunteer meeting infor |
| 10:51 |
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Irma |
OK email sent just in case he is available |
| 10:52 |
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Brooke_ |
thank ye Irma |
| 10:53 |
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Brooke_ |
if anyone has random stuff to say about KohaCon2011 say it now :D |
| 10:53 |
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thd |
Will their be a weekend break before the development days? |
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thd |
s/their/there/ |
| 10:54 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
#link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]eers#Next_Meeting |
| 10:54 |
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hdl |
thd: i think there is no concensus |
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thd |
:( |
| 10:55 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
there was vague talk of it, but nothing had been decided, last time I heard (last IRC meeting) |
| 10:56 |
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Brooke_ |
I'll tell you what |
| 10:56 |
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Brooke_ |
I will guarantee chickanery |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
:) |
| 10:56 |
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Brooke_ |
and it will *feel* like there was a weekend. |
| 10:56 |
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thd |
I will make the suggestion for next year at least. |
| 10:57 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
I'll ask at the meeting on Friday. |
| 10:57 |
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* thd |
missed the previous volunteers meeting to raise the issue. |
| 10:58 |
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Brooke_ |
aye |
| 10:58 |
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* SpaceLibrarian_home |
did as well. 3am was not a good time |
| 10:58 |
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Irma |
chi·can·er·y (shÄ-kÄ´nÉ™-rÄ“, chÄ-) n. pl. chi·can·er·ies 1. Deception by artful subterfuge or sophistry. 2. A piece of sharp practice (as at law). |
| 10:58 |
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Brooke_ |
one of the things I'd wish for in addition to sparkle ponies would be better linkage of data. |
| 10:58 |
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conan |
Brooke_: random kohacon2011: will be streaming and/or video of the dev introduction talks? |
| 10:59 |
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Brooke_ |
here's hoping |
| 10:59 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
I think something about that is on the KohaCon link... |
| 10:59 |
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Brooke_ |
there was a very high bar set at KohaCon2010 that I'm hoping continues on |
| 10:59 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
or, at least, the webpage. |
| 11:00 |
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* SpaceLibrarian_home |
goes to look |
| 11:00 |
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Brooke_ |
#link http://kohacon11.vpmthane.org/ocs/index.php/k/k11 |
| 11:01 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
not much up there yet... |
| 11:01 |
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Irma |
Catalyst's Kristina put in many hours to get the video recordings sorted! |
| 11:02 |
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Brooke_ |
indeed |
| 11:02 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
she did, they all look good. |
| 11:02 |
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thd |
Her experience should be consulted for 2011. |
| 11:02 |
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Brooke_ |
and straight after conference, so while I was all hopped up on hugs, I linked stuff to the wiki |
| 11:02 |
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Irma |
Maybe Kristina could suggest ways of making the editing a bit easier |
| 11:03 |
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jcamins_away is now known as jcamins |
| 11:03 |
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Irma |
Brooke ++ |
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Brooke_ |
#idea consult with Kristina from Catalyst about digital resources |
| 11:03 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
I'll ask her tomorrow. |
| 11:03 |
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Irma |
Also the liquorice was delicious! |
| 11:03 |
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Brooke_ |
was it ever |
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* Brooke_ |
is hoping the vindaloo shall be delish. |
| 11:04 |
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* SpaceLibrarian_home |
agrees |
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* Irma |
too :-) |
| 11:04 |
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Brooke_ |
next to last agenda item |
| 11:04 |
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Brooke_ |
#topic KohaCon 2012 |
| 11:05 |
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Brooke_ |
so we've been to India, EnZed, Yankeeland, and France |
| 11:05 |
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Brooke_ |
pretty good coverage |
| 11:06 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
Africa or the UK? |
| 11:06 |
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thd |
We need some rule about limiting the same country in short succession |
| 11:06 |
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Brooke_ |
missing SA or Africa imo |
| 11:06 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
Or Scandinavia? |
| 11:06 |
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Brooke_ |
here's the trick with that rule thd |
| 11:06 |
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Brooke_ |
there are gonna be times |
| 11:06 |
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Brooke_ |
when no one else has the juice to host |
| 11:06 |
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Brooke_ |
BUT |
| 11:06 |
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Brooke_ |
we wanna let things move if people do have a full tank |
| 11:06 |
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Brooke_ |
yes? |
| 11:07 |
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Brooke_ |
so I'd be for a priority |
| 11:07 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
yes. |
| 11:07 |
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Irma |
perhaps then not rules but preferences re KohaCon's next location |
| 11:07 |
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thd |
Priority well put. That could also be described as a fallback rule. |
| 11:07 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
good idea. |
| 11:08 |
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Brooke_ |
take a look over yonder |
| 11:08 |
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Brooke_ |
#link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]onference_Bidding |
| 11:09 |
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thd |
A mere preference may be voted down by the most populous country which is why there should be some strength to the preference/rule. |
| 11:09 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
as we have seen before, yes? |
| 11:10 |
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Irma |
It would be nice to be in a position to announce the next host on the last day of KohaCon2011. |
| 11:10 |
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Brooke_ |
mmm |
| 11:10 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
it would be. Get the awareness and enthusiasm(sp) up |
| 11:10 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
I'm tired, forgive the pending spelling mistakes. |
| 11:10 |
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Irma |
BUt of course a year is a long time and offers might need to be withdraw |
| 11:11 |
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Brooke_ |
I'd wonder if it were possible to nest a general meeting for conference venue over irc |
| 11:11 |
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Brooke_ |
at the next conference in order to make that happen |
| 11:11 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
then announce the shortlist at the last day of conf. |
| 11:12 |
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Irma |
a shortlist is a good suggestion |
| 11:12 |
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Brooke_ |
aye |
| 11:12 |
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Brooke_ |
how about |
| 11:12 |
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Brooke_ |
a shortlist |
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wahanui |
a shortlist is a good suggestion |
| 11:12 |
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Brooke_ |
with a vote at the next General meeting? |
| 11:12 |
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Brooke_ |
that way the hosts will know asap |
| 11:12 |
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Brooke_ |
and you won't have geography muck with voting |
| 11:13 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
great idea |
| 11:13 |
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Brooke_ |
at least not by presence |
| 11:13 |
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Irma |
It also encourages participation of the bidders for hosting to attend KohaCon2011 |
| 11:13 |
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thd |
Continent or other large region limitation might be useful but without also having country limitation the most populous country may deprive others in the region of an opportunity to host. |
| 11:14 |
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Brooke_ |
#idea have a shortlist of candidates for KohaCon by the end of the current conference. A vote would then take place at the General IRC meeting afterwards. |
| 11:14 |
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Irma |
+ |
| 11:14 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
+ |
| 11:14 |
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Brooke_ |
they could theoretically only do that once thd |
| 11:14 |
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Brooke_ |
unless they perpetually block vote |
| 11:15 |
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Brooke_ |
which would result in a spanking, methinks. |
| 11:15 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
and bad karma |
| 11:15 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
:) |
| 11:15 |
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thd |
What would be the means of selection for a short list? |
| 11:15 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
a well considered and prepared bid? |
| 11:16 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
with a theme and rough budget? |
| 11:16 |
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Brooke_ |
I concur |
| 11:16 |
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Brooke_ |
the budget stuff might even be a level of gradation out from a proposal of interest |
| 11:16 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
you want to be able to make an informed choice when voting... |
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Brooke_ |
but as far as I'm concerned the proposal of interest would be good enough to short list |
| 11:16 |
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mib_an1suz |
i am not able to get any authorities searches |
| 11:16 |
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Brooke_ |
<---- not neutral on this topic, either. |
| 11:17 |
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* SpaceLibrarian_home |
agrees |
| 11:17 |
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mib_an1suz |
we have recently upgraded to 3.2.6 and the koha-error.log says authorities-home.pl: oAuth error: Database unavailable (109) |
| 11:17 |
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mib_an1suz |
how to resolv this issue can someone help me quickly |
| 11:18 |
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thd |
mib_anlsuz: Someone will try to help you after the general meeting. |
| 11:18 |
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jcamins |
mib_an1suz: there is currently a meeting underway. |
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thd |
What is the function of budget in the context of a proposal? |
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Brooke_ |
at the early stages, to me, I don't care if it's there, or if it is, if it's very rough |
| 11:20 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
just to show a commitment to hosting... but it would just illustrate prepareness |
| 11:20 |
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Brooke_ |
as in we expect this to cost $X-$Z per participant with $Y sponsored |
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| 11:20 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
roughly yes. Hence the question mark next to it. |
| 11:20 |
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Brooke_ |
or hey we have a quote from this hotel that will stand by this range in pricing |
| 11:21 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
and conference facilities may roughly cost x |
| 11:21 |
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Brooke_ |
exactly the more specific the proposal is, the more likely it is to get my vote abstractly |
| 11:21 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
helps when approaching sponsors |
| 11:21 |
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Brooke_ |
in reality, there might be other factors, like how hard it hits my wallet that they can't and shouldn't try to control for |
| 11:21 |
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Irma |
with access to a suitable venue and equipment and internet access |
| 11:21 |
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thd |
Yes, I asked all those providing proposals this time to give an estimate of the cheapest options for accommodation to help people decide. |
| 11:21 |
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* SpaceLibrarian_home |
nods |
| 11:22 |
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Brooke_ |
the short list to me is more of a mechanism to judge interest |
| 11:22 |
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Brooke_ |
as in Hey, we'd like to host, would you like to come? |
| 11:22 |
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* SpaceLibrarian_home |
likes that idea too |
| 11:23 |
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Brooke_ |
while the time between conference and the IRC meeting would be the 11th hour to get your proposal in tip top voting shape |
| 11:23 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
and you could use the conference to pitch as well |
| 11:23 |
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thd |
Brooke_ Do you mean a short list largely suggested by whomever proposes to host. |
| 11:23 |
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thd |
? |
| 11:23 |
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Brooke_ |
pretty much thd |
| 11:23 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
that could be a long shortlist. |
| 11:23 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
or a very short one |
| 11:23 |
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Brooke_ |
it *could* be |
| 11:23 |
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conan |
are you still talking about kohacon2012 ? |
| 11:24 |
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Brooke_ |
but I don't think we're at the part where it will be |
| 11:24 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
yep |
| 11:24 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
not yet |
| 11:24 |
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Brooke_ |
I think we're talking bout 2012 and beyond Conan |
| 11:24 |
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Irma |
So each of us keen to attend can compare the costs involved depending on the pproposed hosts location etc. |
| 11:24 |
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Brooke_ |
this happens a lot because we're planning deprived :P |
| 11:24 |
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* SpaceLibrarian_home |
likes planning too much, but isn't volunteering anything. yet. |
| 11:24 |
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conan |
why do you want to decide now the place for 2012 conf, shouldn't you wait until 2011 is finished? |
| 11:25 |
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Brooke_ |
we aren't deciding yet |
| 11:25 |
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Irma |
Sydney to Nepal was more costly than to India in airfares alone. |
| 11:25 |
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conan |
I know |
| 11:25 |
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thd |
I suggest that we move the discussion to the mailing list and the wiki page which Brooke_ started. |
| 11:25 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
we were saying, suggest a shortlist of 2012 at the end of the 2011 conf |
| 11:25 |
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Brooke_ |
we're trying to get things sorted to make things easier later |
| 11:25 |
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conan |
just sharing my experience in making conferences here in Argentina |
| 11:26 |
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Brooke_ |
did anyone else hear that Argentina is interested in hosting? ;) |
| 11:26 |
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Irma |
KohaCon2012 in Argentina couldbe nice ;-) |
| 11:26 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
I did... |
| 11:26 |
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conan |
we started a tradition some years ago, at the end of one convention, we hear the offers |
| 11:26 |
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* Brooke_ |
is truly evil. |
| 11:26 |
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conan |
for the next one |
| 11:26 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
that was what we've just bandied about.... |
| 11:26 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
:) |
| 11:27 |
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* SpaceLibrarian_home |
does like the prospect of Argentina 2012 though.... |
| 11:27 |
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Irma |
South America could be a *priority* |
| 11:27 |
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conan |
:P |
| 11:27 |
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conan |
think 2013 better |
| 11:27 |
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Brooke_ |
I concur Irma |
| 11:27 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
+ |
| 11:27 |
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Brooke_ |
<--- not neutral at all |
| 11:27 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
<----neither |
| 11:28 |
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Irma |
2011 Mumbai, 2012 Norway, 2013 Argentina ... ? |
| 11:28 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
has a nice ring to it |
| 11:28 |
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Brooke_ |
Think we might be talked out a wee bit, but I think this horse is well worth discussing in future and certainly on the wiki |
| 11:28 |
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conan |
there you have your shorlist |
| 11:28 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
:) |
| 11:28 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
That was easy. |
| 11:29 |
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Brooke_ |
so |
| 11:29 |
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Brooke_ |
#topic time and date of next meeting |
| 11:29 |
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Irma |
just having fun dreaming |
| 11:29 |
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conan |
do you have some conference guide? that should help getting proposals |
| 11:29 |
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Brooke_ |
nope |
| 11:29 |
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Brooke_ |
but we're getting a good body of past conference stuff |
| 11:29 |
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Irma |
date: 4 May? |
| 11:30 |
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conan |
then it would be a nice suggestion to make for current hosts |
| 11:30 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
4 May looks good. Any objections? |
| 11:30 |
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thd |
Are we missing an agenda item for old business? |
| 11:30 |
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Brooke_ |
it's right after the KUDOS conference, but that's *after* so no |
| 11:30 |
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Irma |
Does this starting time suit NZers? |
| 11:30 |
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jwagner |
It may be a problem for people traveling back from KUDOS on May 4 |
| 11:31 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
-8 hours? |
| 11:31 |
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Irma |
good point! |
| 11:31 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
so 2pm kiwi/12pm aussie? |
| 11:31 |
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Irma |
2pm Kiwi is Noon in Sydney |
| 11:32 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
that's what I said |
| 11:32 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
:) |
| 11:32 |
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Brooke_ |
all in favour of hosing Europe |
| 11:33 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
lol |
| 11:33 |
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thd |
I have no previous meeting action items to bring up but we should look at them to help us follow through. |
| 11:33 |
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jwagner |
Can we push to either Thursday May 5, or the following Wednesday? |
| 11:33 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
pends on the time |
| 11:34 |
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Irma |
SpaceLibrarian_home New Zealanders are ahead of us but we dont like to talk about it too much! |
| 11:34 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
Irma: I lived in thr ACT for 3 years, I'm wired to both timezones |
| 11:34 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
the* |
| 11:34 |
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Irma |
May 5 is fine for CALYX |
| 11:35 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
should be fine for the kiwis... one of us will be online, time pending. |
| 11:35 |
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Brooke_ |
K |
| 11:35 |
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Brooke_ |
as long as Friday would work elsewhere. |
| 11:35 |
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thd |
I suggest that the following week would be better in respect of the KUDOS meeting. |
| 11:35 |
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Irma |
May 11? |
| 11:35 |
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* magnuse |
does not think norway will be ready to host kohacon in 2012, sadly... |
| 11:36 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
what time? |
| 11:36 |
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wahanui |
it has been said that time is a scary thing |
| 11:36 |
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jwagner |
Wednesday, May 11 would be preferable for me |
| 11:37 |
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Brooke_ |
I believe we're hosing Europe |
| 11:37 |
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Brooke_ |
so |
| 11:37 |
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Brooke_ |
2AM UTC was the proposal albeit on a diff dayh |
| 11:37 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
2am UTC? |
| 11:37 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
hehehe |
| 11:37 |
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* Brooke_ |
suspects that MJ will be egging her flat... |
| 11:37 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
we've endured 6am and 10pm here now. |
| 11:38 |
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Irma |
magnuse : sadly x2 |
| 11:38 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
they can deal |
| 11:38 |
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Brooke_ |
2 UTC 11 May sound right all? |
| 11:38 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
+ |
| 11:38 |
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gmcharlt |
staying up late instead of getting up early ++ |
| 11:38 |
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Brooke_ |
#action 2 UTC 11 May next general meeting someone send a remindah |
| 11:39 |
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jwagner |
If I'm reading the timezone converter right, that would be 10:00 PM on Tues May 10 for US Eastern zone |
| 11:39 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
sounds right |
| 11:39 |
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Brooke_ |
#endmeeting |
| 11:39 |
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huginn |
Meeting ended Wed Apr 6 11:40:26 2011 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 11:39 |
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huginn |
Minutes: http://librarypolice.com/koha-[…]-04-06-10.14.html |
| 11:39 |
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huginn |
Minutes (text): http://librarypolice.com/koha-[…]1-04-06-10.14.txt |
| 11:39 |
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huginn |
Log: http://librarypolice.com/koha-[…]06-10.14.log.html |
| 11:39 |
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Irma |
Keep up the good work hackers in Marseilles @ BibLibre :-) |
| 11:39 |
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Brooke_ |
indeed! |
| 11:39 |
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thd |
Who does 2 UTC help as a time? |
| 11:39 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
yes! |
| 11:40 |
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Brooke_ |
kiwis |
| 11:40 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
NZ, Australia, India.. |
| 11:40 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
US West coast |
| 11:40 |
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thd |
Is circa 19.00 very bad for NZ? |
| 11:40 |
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Brooke_ |
it's always bad for someone, hence the -8 or +8 rotation |
| 11:40 |
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Irma |
Perhaps for Chris as he has small children ... |
| 11:41 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
yep |
| 11:41 |
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Irma |
better for NZ from 9PM I suppose |
| 11:42 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
we were lucky with daylight savings ending, or it would have been 11pm for us today |
| 11:42 |
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thd |
Does 2 UTC not guarantee no participation from Europe? |
| 11:42 |
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Brooke_ |
one tiny drawback of international collaboration |
| 11:43 |
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Brooke_ |
it substantially decreases the liklihood |
| 11:43 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
it'll be during daylight hours for europe soon enough |
| 11:43 |
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Brooke_ |
just like 6am is not a pleasant hour for yanks |
| 11:43 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
or kiwis |
| 11:43 |
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Irma |
is hdl still online? |
| 11:43 |
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Brooke_ |
Irma he's prolly in a pizza coma |
| 11:43 |
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thd |
Can we avoid a time which guarantees no participation from a continent? |
| 11:43 |
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Brooke_ |
so ask him for stuff |
| 11:43 |
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Brooke_ |
it isn't possible thd |
| 11:44 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
there will be europeans online then. |
| 11:44 |
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* thd |
has not done the calculation. |
| 11:44 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
there usually are... |
| 11:44 |
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hdl |
Irma: ? |
| 11:44 |
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* thd |
will always poke himself awake but hopes that there will be as many others as possible. |
| 11:44 |
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cait |
@later tell rangi: alert strings not picket up by translation tool |
| 11:44 |
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huginn |
cait: The operation succeeded. |
| 11:45 |
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Irma |
what is a good time for an IRC meeting for BibLibre and others in France/ |
| 11:45 |
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Irma |
? |
| 11:45 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
2UTC is what? midnight in France? |
| 11:46 |
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Irma |
and UK? |
| 11:46 |
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wahanui |
i think UK is still in |
| 11:46 |
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magnuse |
4am |
| 11:46 |
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magnuse |
http://www.timeanddate.com/wor[…]our=2&min=0&sec=0 |
| 11:46 |
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* magnuse |
will definitely miss out |
| 11:46 |
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Brooke_ |
but they did get a cherry of a time today |
| 11:46 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
yes they did |
| 11:46 |
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thd |
hdl: We are about to choose 2 UTC so please suggest something which may help NZ but hurt Europe less. |
| 11:46 |
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magnuse |
yes we did |
| 11:46 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
all's fair in love and timezones |
| 11:47 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
and somebody deciuded on +/-8 a few meetings ago. where was the issue then? |
| 11:47 |
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hdl |
20PM |
| 11:47 |
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hdl |
4AM |
| 11:48 |
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hdl |
8AM |
| 11:48 |
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thd |
SpaceLibrarian_home: I do not remember that rotating forward be 8 hours had been other than proposed without agreement. |
| 11:48 |
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thd |
s/be/by/ |
| 11:48 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
it came up last meeting too |
| 11:48 |
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magnuse |
time to count signoffs in marseille |
| 11:48 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
I don't know who proposed it |
| 11:49 |
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gmcharlt |
given the reality that interest in Koha spans nearly all 24 timezones, *somebody* is going to end up having to deal with an inconvenient time |
| 11:49 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
yes |
| 11:49 |
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magnuse |
paul_p from yesterday: http://www.flickr.com/photos/e[…]5/in/photostream/ |
| 11:49 |
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Brooke_ |
that's a nice peach |
| 11:49 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
nz has now had a 6am and 10pm. Surely we can get a cherry of a time |
| 11:49 |
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jwagner |
So have we agreed on Wednesday, May 11 2:00 UTC? |
| 11:49 |
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thd |
I think that some options eliminate some participation without gaining more participation. |
| 11:50 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
meh |
| 11:50 |
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Brooke_ |
thd which will always happen |
| 11:50 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
magnuse: nice post-it notes |
| 11:50 |
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| 11:51 |
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thd |
Brooke_: Eliminating participation becouse of time should be offset by a gain in participation. |
| 11:51 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
2UTC, may 5 sounds good here. |
| 11:51 |
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Brooke_ |
thd no a fair system |
| 11:51 |
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Brooke_ |
namely + -8 should be instituted then stuck with |
| 11:51 |
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Brooke_ |
so we're not in an endless cycle of bickering over times |
| 11:51 |
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gmcharlt |
thd: you are seem to implicitly assuming that there are time zones that are incapable of producing meaningful participatin |
| 11:51 |
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gmcharlt |
why? |
| 11:51 |
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| 11:51 |
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Brooke_ |
I don't care if the rotation is + -6 or whathave you |
| 11:52 |
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Brooke_ |
just as long as things move about |
| 11:52 |
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Brooke_ |
so that eventually everyone gets a cherry of a time |
| 11:52 |
|
* SpaceLibrarian_home |
agrees with Brooke |
| 11:52 |
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Brooke_ |
it's just not fair to perpetually hose kiwis or anyone else |
| 11:52 |
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Oak |
hi Brooke_ |
| 11:52 |
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thd |
Brooke_: Yes, there is no fair system except that there may be some times which would be unfair to everyone and thus not helpful. |
| 11:52 |
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Brooke_ |
2 utc is unfair to europe, not everyone |
| 11:53 |
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* jwagner |
would just like to get a decision now on the next meeting so I can go get some work done.... |
| 11:53 |
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jwagner |
Wednesday, May 11 2:00 UTC was the proposed time. |
| 11:53 |
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gmcharlt |
Brooke_: shall we call a vote on this and be done? |
| 11:53 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
and was tabled in the meeting |
| 11:53 |
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jwagner |
Can we either propose a different time or vote on this one? |
| 11:53 |
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Brooke_ |
I called a vote and ended a meeting a good half hour back gmcharlt |
| 11:53 |
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thd |
hdl: Do you have any alternative or better analysis. |
| 11:53 |
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thd |
? |
| 11:54 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
and 2UTC was set |
| 11:54 |
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gmcharlt |
Brooke_: in which case, the issue is settled. why are we still discussing it? |
| 11:54 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
there is an objection to the time |
| 11:54 |
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gmcharlt |
thd: I suggest taking this to the mailing list if you have a problem |
| 11:54 |
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Brooke_ |
an objection does not mean that all are opposed |
| 11:55 |
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Brooke_ |
and frankly |
| 11:55 |
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thd |
gmcharlt: Only because I did not recognise a vote and thought that we were breaking with carefully worked out practise. |
| 11:55 |
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Brooke_ |
the whole + - 8 was decided a while back |
| 11:55 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
+ |
| 11:55 |
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thd |
Brooke_: That is what I disputed. |
| 11:56 |
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thd |
Brooke_: I thought that had not been agreed when raised. |
| 11:57 |
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thd |
Unfortunately, I am not awake enough to verify or correct myself. |
| 11:57 |
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Brooke_ |
fair warning was given that I'm a tyrant at this hour :P |
| 11:57 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
thd: will it be the end of the world if you miss one meeting? |
| 11:57 |
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Irma |
I propose I go over all the other IRC general Koha meeting times and create a table so that we get an overview and see the times most often chosen in the past. Would that be helpful? |
| 11:57 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
And Brooke_ did disclaim herself before the meeting... |
| 11:57 |
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thd |
I will not miss the meeting. |
| 11:57 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
Irma: brilliant idea |
| 11:58 |
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Irma |
Time to close the show folks ... |
| 11:58 |
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thd |
I agree that if I find a problem I can raise the issue on the mailing list. |
| 11:58 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
yep. midnight here. I need to sleep in order to work. |
| 11:58 |
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jwagner |
Or put an agenda item on the next meeting |
| 11:58 |
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jwagner |
Good night, NZ'ers |
| 11:58 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
ciao |
| 11:58 |
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thd |
All times are OK with me personally. |
| 11:59 |
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Irma |
Wjat not confirm the date of May 11 and confirm the time after the table is done and analysed... |
| 11:59 |
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Irma |
*Why |
| 11:59 |
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Brooke_ |
fine by me |
| 11:59 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
yeah, why not? |
| 11:59 |
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Brooke_ |
just have whatever needs doing done by a week or so |
| 11:59 |
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Brooke_ |
with it in mind that we gave Europe a good time |
| 11:59 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
yes |
| 11:59 |
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Brooke_ |
and haven't given NZ a good one in recent memory |
| 11:59 |
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Irma |
will do it before going to bed if the info is available ... |
| 12:00 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
is it on koha-wiki? |
| 12:00 |
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Brooke_ |
in theory |
| 12:00 |
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Brooke_ |
that's a good chunk |
| 12:00 |
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Brooke_ |
if not all |
| 12:00 |
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gmcharlt |
at the very least, ever since the new wiki was started |
| 12:01 |
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gmcharlt |
not sure how far people have backfilled past meetings |
| 12:01 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Meetings |
| 12:01 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
they're all logged, at least |
| 12:01 |
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gmcharlt |
ah, pretty far |
| 12:01 |
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Irma |
OK will C what I find and let you know Brooke to then confirm time of next meeting |
| 12:01 |
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Brooke_ |
send it out to the list |
| 12:01 |
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Brooke_ |
cause I don't matter |
| 12:02 |
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Irma |
Brooke ok and thanks for chairing the meeting :-) |
| 12:02 |
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gmcharlt |
Brooke_++ |
| 12:02 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home |
thanks Brooke_ |
| 12:02 |
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Brooke_ |
pfah I do a better jorb when I'm prepared |
| 12:02 |
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thd |
Sorry, I am actually not trying to undue anything which has just been concluded. |
| 12:03 |
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* Irma |
close to saying G'night/day all |
| 12:03 |
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gmcharlt |
Irma: good night :) |
| 12:03 |
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* SpaceLibrarian_home |
ditto |
| 12:03 |
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| 12:03 |
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thd |
good night Irma. |
| 12:03 |
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Brooke_ |
night Irma :) |
| 12:04 |
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Irma |
Zzzz nearly (but will make that table first) |
| 12:04 |
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thd |
If people in Europe really objected they should be awake enough at this hour to give their objections. |
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| 12:07 |
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thd |
I merely speculate that there may be some times which are maximally suboptimal for almost everyone, and those times should be avoided. |
| 12:07 |
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gmcharlt |
thd: and I think that's the thing - they're certainly capable of voicing their objections at the time the proposal was made; if they didn't, they didn't necessarily need somebody to come in after the fact to object on their behalf |
| 12:07 |
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thd |
gmcharlt: agreed |
| 12:08 |
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Brooke_ |
http://www.timeanddate.com/wor[…]=179&p3=195&p4=44 |
| 12:08 |
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jcamins |
gmcharlt: since you're here, I need some advice. |
| 12:08 |
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jcamins |
The meeting *is* over, right? |
| 12:08 |
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gmcharlt |
jcamins: yep :) what's up? |
| 12:08 |
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Brooke_ |
looks like 12 is good in theory |
| 12:08 |
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thd |
gmcharlt: They may have had some customary expectations and lost attention. |
| 12:08 |
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jcamins |
I'm looking at bug 5683. Again. |
| 12:08 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5683 critical, P1, ---, jcamins, REOPENED, link_bibs_to_authorities.pl can corrupt records |
| 12:09 |
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jcamins |
I have put in a check to confirm that we have valid subfields, and, if we don't, delete the field. |
| 12:09 |
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| 12:10 |
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jcamins |
However, we have copy-pasted the exact same code in three places in C4::Charset. |
| 12:10 |
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jcamins |
And I'm wondering if that's something I should be fixing, and, if the answer is "yes", where the utility function should go. |
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* Brooke_ |
is going to entertain the breakfast proposal before her. |
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gmcharlt |
jcamins: well, stripping datafields without subfields is worth a utility function |
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gmcharlt |
though I wonder where they're coming from |
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jcamins |
In this case, link_bibs_to_authorities. |
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hdl |
will it go into MARC::Record ? |
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jcamins |
hdl: should it? |
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jcamins |
You tell me. :) |
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gmcharlt |
if it's from the bib editor, such a routine should be first invoked in AddBiblio and ModBiblio |
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gmcharlt |
jcamins: you say it's coming from link_bibs_to_authorities, but answer me this: where are the datafields that *only* have a $9 coming from? |
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hdl |
Well I think that the more robust MARC::Record is, the better it will be for all. |
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jcamins |
Oh, those are coming from catalogers erasing the subfield a, I think. |
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gmcharlt |
tell them to don't do that then ;) |
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jcamins |
Yeah, I have. |
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gmcharlt |
but seriously, that's something that *first* needs to be caught in addbiblio.pl |
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jcamins |
Okay, so specifically catch the subfield $9 only issue? |
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jcamins |
Good idea. |
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gmcharlt |
as far as MARC::Record is concerned, it's easy enough to have it throw an exception if you try to save a MARC::Field that has no subfields |
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gmcharlt |
or, perhaps, silently drop fields that have no subfields when serializing |
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jcamins |
That would be the ideal behavior, I think. |
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jcamins |
Our error handling in C4 leaves... something to be desired. |
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frido |
:P good pizzas |
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gmcharlt |
frido: I dunno, good pizzas is a bit much to expect of any error-handling system ;) |
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* jcamins |
has that, thanks to a frenzy of pizza baking two days ago. |
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gmcharlt |
ERRDROPDOUGHONTHEFLOORWHILETRYINGTOSPINIT |
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jcamins |
:) |
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pastebot0 |
"jcamins" at 208.120.0.116 pasted "Proposed fix" (7 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/198 |
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hdl |
fredericd: around ? |
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jcamins |
With that, touch_all_bibs should do the trick. |
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hdl |
Do you have any problems on Template::Toolkit with language selection ? |
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jcamins |
gmcharlt: does that seem a reasonable solution? |
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jcamins |
It would also be good if MARC::Record removed those fields. |
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gmcharlt |
jcamins: as a patch to AddBiblio, I assume? |
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jcamins |
gmcharlt: oh, you're the maintainer. :) |
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gmcharlt |
looks OK |
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jcamins |
ModBiblio. |
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gmcharlt |
right, ModBiblio |
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jcamins |
That's the lowest common denominator... as far as I can tell, everything goes through ModBiblio. |
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gmcharlt |
jcamins: yep, and as maintainer, patches welcome ;) |
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oleonard |
Hooray, colin is looking at Bug 5529 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5529 normal, P5, ---, colin.campbell, ASSIGNED, Staff client shows "Your lists:" and "public lists:" when there are none |
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Irma |
gmcharlt To be fair to the members of the US Koha community, which city should I use http://www.timeanddate.com ? |
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Irma |
out of the options of the US cities? |
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jcamins |
Irma: New York. :P |
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Irma |
Beaut!! Thanks jcamins :-) |
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* jcamins |
lives in New York, so possibly his suggestion can't be trusted |
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gmcharlt |
Irma: heh; Chicago or Boulder would be more central |
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gmcharlt |
the two hubs of Koha dev activity are east coast and west coast, so Chicago would split the difference |
| 12:37 |
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jcamins |
So everyone will be confused. |
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hdl |
gmcharlt: remove items under testing. |
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gmcharlt |
hdl++ |
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Irma |
Chicago is where one of my sisters lives. So Chicago is the one. Thanks and bonsoir :-) |
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jcamins |
gmcharlt: any idea where to patch MARC::Record? |
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jcamins |
The logical place would be in delete_subfield, but that doesn't work because you don't have the Record object. |
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gmcharlt |
jcamins: initially, I think as a utility method in MARC::Record |
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gmcharlt |
->strip_empty_fields(), for example |
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jcamins |
Hm. I'll have to work on this. |
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magnuse |
kia ora sekjal! |
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sekjal |
morning, magnuse! |
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oleonard |
hdl: I just saw your question about jqueryUI in the logs. I didn't get the @later because I'm oleonard instead of owen |
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oleonard |
hdl: I have a work in progress branch with jqueryUI stuff but it isn't complete |
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hdl |
fhi all |
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hdl |
hi owen. |
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hdl |
Yeah, i have seen that. |
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jcamins |
hdl: do you know anything about bug 5965 by any chance? |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5965 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, RESOLVED FIXED, Make sure opac-detail.pl outputs marc in utf-8 |
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hdl |
I was asking about that because I searched jeditable and datepicker |
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hdl |
I thought i would have to use a ui datepicker |
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hdl |
jcamins: yes. I know |
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hdl |
I did that SetUTF8Flag |
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jcamins |
hdl: good, then you're just the person I want to talk to. |
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jcamins |
Do you know why SetUTF8Flag had to be called directly from opac-detail? |
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oleonard |
hdl: My plan was to make the jqueryUI switch all at once and get rid of YUI js altogether. The other option is to add jqueryUI and keep YUI until we can be done with it. |
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oleonard |
I was hoping we wouldn't have to add the jqueryUI dependencies on top of the already-large YUI ones. |
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oleonard |
Right now I'm still waiting on a good jqueryUI-native menu replacement |
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hdl |
oleonard: the longer we work on a branch, the more conflict we get... belive me. |
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oleonard |
hdl: I'm keeping it up to date. |
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oleonard |
I'm resolving conflicts frequently. |
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hdl |
cool |
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hdl |
oleonard: is there no jqueryUI native menu ? |
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oleonard |
Not yet |
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oleonard |
http://blog.jqueryui.com/2010/[…]ery-ui-19m2-menu/ |
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hdl |
jcamins: i chose to use that in *.pl rather than in C4::Biblio. because it could have been quite ressource demanding for migrations and so on. |
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oleonard |
That post about UI 1.9 Milestone 2 was in June 2010. I really thought we'd have it by now. |
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jcamins |
hdl: I see. |
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oleonard |
Also: http://wiki.jqueryui.com/w/page/12137997/Menu |
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jcamins |
hdl: but we call SetUTF8Flag every time we call ModBiblio. |
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hdl |
though every time you need to edit a record, one has to check for correct encoding before manipulating. |
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jcamins |
Ah. |
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hdl |
This is related to a message I sent on perl4lib months ago. |
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hdl |
For UNIMARC, the UTF8 Flag is not set when editing a utf8 data. |
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hdl |
since the encoding code is in 100$a and not in label |
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* oleonard |
realizes he missed another meeting. |
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* oleonard |
would have missed it even if he had remembered it. |
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oleonard |
These 10:00 UTC+0 meetings are the worst for my schedule! |
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hdl |
what time is it for you ? 4AM ? |
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jwagner |
6:00 AM US Eastern, after the time change -- was 5:00 AM before |
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oleonard |
6AM, but that's not the hard part. The problem is I'm getting my kids ready for school then |
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hdl |
oleonard: so would I |
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gmcharlt |
oleonard: get them hacking on Koha and convince the school to call it an in-house field trip ;) |
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oleonard |
gmcharlt: Or I could fill the tub with milk and cereal and lock them in the bathroom. |
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gmcharlt |
oleonard: heh. shall I contribute free kittens to the cause? |
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gmcharlt |
and espresso? |
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gmcharlt |
@quote add <oleonard> gmcharlt: Or I could fill the tub with milk and cereal and lock them in the bathroom. |
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huginn |
gmcharlt: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). |
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hdl |
jcamins: http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.[…]ns-td3064338.html |
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oleonard |
My four year old would probably drink the espresso. He likes coffee. |
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gmcharlt |
@quote add <oleonard> gmcharlt: Or I could fill the tub with milk and cereal and lock them in the bathroom. |
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huginn |
gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. Quote #125 added. |
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oleonard |
I'm going to be explaining that one for quite a while. |
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oleonard |
cait: I'm surprised at how many alert()'s aren't properly escaped for translation. I try to fix every one I see. |
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jcamins |
Does anyone know how to add a test? |
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clrh |
oleonard: hi could you confirm that master does not need http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5138 and so it could be closed? |
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huginn |
Bug 5138: normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, Erroneous display for OPACShelfBrowser with GoogleJackets enabled |
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thd is now known as thd-away |
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jcamins |
In particular, I want a test that will alert us if calling ModBiblio with problematic data dies or not. |
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oleonard |
clrh: That bug was specific to 3.0.x, so if we're closing 3.0.x bugs now then yes it can be closed. |
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jcamins |
Without killing the test, because that would be bad. |
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clrh |
thanks oleonard |
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gmcharlt |
jcamins: you can wrap the test in an eval{ } and catch an exception |
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oleonard |
Hi druthb |
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druthb |
hi, oleonard! :) |
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pastebot0 |
"jcamins" at 208.120.0.116 pasted "gmcharlt: is this the right way to do the tests?" (26 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/199 |
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gmcharlt |
jcamins: it's OK, but catching the actual exception so that it can be presented in a diag() would be even better |
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jcamins |
Could you give me an example? I'm not sure how to do either of those things. |
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gmcharlt |
eval { # stuff }; if ($@) { # we've failed! horrors; diag($@); fail(...) } else { ok(...) } |
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jcamins |
I see. |
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jcamins |
Thanks! |
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slef |
hi all. Bad day yesterday and a calendar error on my part. Now reading meeting log. |
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slef |
erm, is there a meeting log? |
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slef |
finally found http://librarypolice.com/koha-[…]-04-06-10.14.html in the logs |
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slef |
linking from http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ing,_6_April_2011 |
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pastebot0 |
"jcamins" at 208.120.0.116 pasted "gmcharlt: revised tests- better?" (33 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/200 |
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gmcharlt |
jcamins: yes (assuming they operate as expected when you test the test cases, of course) |
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jcamins |
They do. |
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cait |
oleonard: I am running a script at the moment to find all of them - mark helped me to do it |
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cait |
mark++ |
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cait |
so I hope I will be able to fix most of the alert things before string freeze |
| 14:06 |
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* druthb |
is gonna find a place for a comment "# horrors!" in her code. Somewhere. Someday. |
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gmcharlt |
druthb: sed -i 's/FIXME/horrors!/g', perhaps? |
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druthb |
Do not tempt me to sumbit a patch that does that to the entire Kohoa codebase, gmcharlt. Do not tempt me in that fashion. |
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* druthb |
is in a funky mood, and cannot spell today. She has the dumb. |
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gmcharlt |
:) |
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oleonard |
How about a script that files a new bug for every FIXME in the Koha codebase? |
| 14:10 |
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* druthb |
picks up the Dunce Hat, and puts it on. It does not match her frilly blouse, but c'est la vie. |
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gmcharlt |
druthb: I dunno, I'm rather enjoying my perch on your left shoulder ;) |
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clrh |
Could someone brief me about unit test in community version? I am testing 'manually' bug 5579 but maybe there is something wich already exists |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5579 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED, Remove items from biblioitems.marcxml |
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gmcharlt |
clrh: regretable, there aren't at present |
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gmcharlt |
if you want to write some as part of testing that bug |
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gmcharlt |
things to check for include |
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gmcharlt |
(a) fetched bib has no item tags |
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gmcharlt |
(b) EmbedItemsInBiblios adds the appropriate number of item tags |
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gmcharlt |
(c) EmbedItemsInBiblios behaves correctly if fields (such as the call number) contain non-ASCII characters |
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jcamins |
Good news, Biblibre-ans! There are another two patches you could sign off on if you so desired. |
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jcamins |
:D |
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cait |
jcamins: grrr ;) |
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clrh |
ok gmcharlt I don't know if I do it know or not |
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cait |
almost all of the marzipan is gone... |
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gmcharlt |
cait: to what address do we send the emergency shipment? ;) |
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* jcamins |
sends cinnamon bread |
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cait |
I think biblibre hq will be ok ;) |
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* oleonard |
curses these non-filling virtual foods |
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cait |
$("#uploadfile").submit(function(){ |
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cait |
alert("Hey!"); |
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cait |
? |
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cait |
Hey? |
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jcamins |
Hey! |
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* oleonard |
curses his stray debugging cruft |
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oleonard |
cait: Sorry about that, please delete the $("#uploadfile"){ block |
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cait |
I am already in the next file, will try to remember later |
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cait |
and don't worry, it was funny :) |
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oleonard |
cait: I started to send a patch this morning because I spotted it too when looking at alert() messages |
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oleonard |
Then I figured you might be working on that bug |
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cait |
ah |
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cait |
yeah, starting right now |
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cait |
will need a bit of testing though |
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cait |
make sure I have no syntax errors |
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oleonard |
cait: Don't forget to assign the bug to yourself |
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cait |
if (confirm('Do you really want to import the framework fields/subfields (will overwrite current configuration, for safety reasons please make before an export to have a backup file)?')) { |
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cait |
what bout this? |
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magnuse |
kia ora wizzyrea! |
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druthb |
hi, wizzyrea! |
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wizzyrea |
Hallo magnuse |
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wizzyrea |
hi druthb :D |
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wizzyrea |
how is everybody today |
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cait |
hi wizzyrea |
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wizzyrea |
guten tag, cait :D |
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hdl |
wizzyrea YAY |
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magnuse |
wizzyrea: full of delicious french pizza! |
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wizzyrea |
yay? |
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wizzyrea |
Ooooo |
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wizzyrea |
luckies! |
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hdl |
just deliriously pleased to work with so many ppl... Even coping with the toughest things seem light |
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wizzyrea |
:D |
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hdl |
And pleased to see you |
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cait |
very delicious pizza, indeed |
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slef |
mail me some :) |
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slef |
in random other news, I was re-elected to the village council (= part of the reason I'm not in France this week) |
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wizzyrea |
congratulations slef! |
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druthb |
congratulations, slef! :) |
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magnuse |
congrats, slef! |
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wizzyrea |
that's really great, can I come live in your village? |
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gmcharlt |
slef++ |
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slef |
wizzyrea: heh, probably... they're building more houses here now |
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magnuse |
the coop village? ;-) |
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slef |
wizzyrea: http://www.kewstoke.org/ although it doesn't reflect latest changes |
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slef |
magnuse: heh, no. More coopish than some places, but still pretty conservative. |
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magnuse |
slef: you can do it! ;-) |
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slef |
I'm pondering standing for uk.coop now, as a glutton for election punishment. That'll be more challenging. |
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slef |
magnuse: when are you in France until? |
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magnuse |
slef: plane leaves at 5pm something on friday, will make my way to the airport after lunch, methinks - with cait |
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cait |
with_cait++ |
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* oleonard |
is jealous of the bug-wrangling party |
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slef |
magnuse: can you sit on hdl tomorrow until he End-Of-Life-s 3.0? |
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* slef |
incentivizes volunteer action |
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magnuse |
oleonard: naa-na-naa-na-naaa-na |
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slef |
ok, I think I've calendared the next koha general meeting correctly and not in 2010 :-/ |
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cait |
magnuse is so mean... :P |
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magnuse |
slef: there is a rumour i might not even have to sit on him... ;-) |
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slef |
trust me to get it wrong for a meeting when a reminder is forgotten! |
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slef |
or at least, I didn't see a reminder |
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cait |
we almost forgot about the meeting here too |
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slef |
arf! |
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wizzyrea |
bow wow? |
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magnuse |
hiya NateC - still planning your wedding, or have i missed it? |
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NateC |
nope we are still at it |
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NateC |
and at it and at it and at it.... |
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magnuse |
hehe |
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NateC |
the things you do for love... |
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magnuse |
decided on a date at least? |
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NateC |
yep |
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NateC |
9/10/11 |
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druthb |
hopefully, you'll be able to remember anniversary that way, Nate. |
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NateC |
easy to remember anniversaries ;) |
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NateC |
ha you beat me to that one! |
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oleonard |
We had our anniversary engraved inside our wedding rings. |
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oleonard |
We both forget most years anyway :) |
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NateC |
thats a great idea too! |
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gmcharlt |
we have a picture above our bed that includes our anniversary date |
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magnuse |
i have the date inside my ring, but i can't get the ring off any longer... ;-) |
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clrh |
we are going to drink pastis jsut after the end of day point - you're welcome hackfesters |
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* jcamins |
doesn't have any clever way to remember his anniversary. |
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slef |
teehee froggies quitting early |
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slef |
;-) |
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* magnuse |
thinks there is a time difference... |
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* oleonard |
has always wanted to try pastis after reading Asterix and the Banquet |
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* oleonard |
didn't have the benefit of Wikipedia for Latin translation when he was reading Asterix as a kid |
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* oleonard |
should go back and look them up |
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slef |
quite a lot of patches and patch discussion in March... I think it's taking more days to email in the backlinks (at 10 bugs/day)... it would be great if someone could install the missing Math module on bugzilla too |
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gmcharlt |
slef: link to the module you mean, please? |
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frido |
byby |
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slef |
gmcharlt: bug 5822 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5822 normal, P1, ---, chris, NEW, Missing perl module Math::Random::ISAAC for upgraded bugzilla |
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gmcharlt |
slef: thanks |
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magnuse |
au revoir, #koha |
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gmcharlt |
slef: installed |
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slef |
gmcharlt: thanks! I'll see if it works tomorrow :) |
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slef |
(= no error email back for each bug updated by email) |
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rhcl_meeting |
did a list of all the koha libraries ever get posted to koha-community? |
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slef |
who by? |
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tcohen |
hi, i was reading bug 6084 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6084 normal, P5, ---, katrin.fischer, NEW, Missing translation markers in javascript alert messages |
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tcohen |
and came into a question: how should this case be handled?: |
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tcohen |
alert("Please select only one <!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="label_element" --> to " + op + "."); |
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tcohen |
is ok?: alert(_("Please select only one <!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="label_element" --> to " + op + ".")); |
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gmcharlt |
tcohen: that risks a translator taking the template marker out by mistake |
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tcohen |
exactly |
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tcohen |
but... |
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gmcharlt |
alert(_('Please elect only one ') + '<!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="label_element" -->' + _(' to ') ... |
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tcohen |
expresions are structured in different ways in each language too |
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gmcharlt |
yes, and that is indeed a problem |
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gmcharlt |
but I think that's the best we can do at the moment without doing a lot more poking at the translator internals |
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gmcharlt |
I could well be mistaken, though |
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tcohen |
ok :-D |
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tcohen |
koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/cataloguing/value_builder/macles.tmpl |
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tcohen |
alert("veuillez d'abord creer le nombre de champs necessaires "); |
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tcohen |
hehehe |
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tcohen |
don't tell me thats english! |
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gmcharlt |
tcohen: it's English from an alternate reality where the Normans were a *lot* more aggressive ;) |
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tcohen |
gmcharlt++ |
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paul_p |
tcohen, in fact, it's a plugin that is usefull only for 1 library, it's guaranteed 100% specific. |
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paul_p |
that's why the template is in french already. The problem being that this french reaches .po :\ |
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tcohen |
commented out comments in javascript code shouldn't be translated, right? |
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rhcl1 |
is that negative recursion? or metacomments? |
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ebegin |
Anybody succeed in installing koha on centos ? |
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cait |
hi #koha |
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cait |
I think whatever EM training is, it's probably a better excuse than a big pile of french pizzas |
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cait |
;) |
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chris_n |
hehe |
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chris_n |
EM = emergency management = local government foo |
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* chris_n |
has way too many hats these days :P |
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cait |
yes, it is a better excuse |
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chris_n |
they did serve donuts and coffee, though |
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chris_n |
so the morning was not a total wash |
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slef |
anthrax donuts? |
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chris_n |
heh.... apparently not... this time at least :) |
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chris_n |
no powdered ones at any rate |
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gmcharlt |
depending on the incubation time ;) |
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chris_n |
well... at least they were good going down |
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tcohen |
how do i install another language for opac/staff on a dev install? |
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Brooke_ |
kia ora! |
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tcohen |
i want to reproduce bug 6085 on my box |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6085 blocker, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, Can't Change language both in OPAC and staff client |
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druthb |
join #bywater |
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druthb |
hrmpf/ |
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druthb |
hi, Brooke! |
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Brooke_ |
I don wanna. They're the borg :P |
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rangi |
tcohen: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]aff_client#Koha_3.2 |
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rangi |
and thank you for looking at that bug |
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rangi |
misc/translator/translate is the script |
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rangi |
then in systempreferences you should see more languages, you can enable them there, and switch on the language picker syspref for the opac |
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rangi |
then you should be in a position to try to reproduce |
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* oleonard |
is installing translations now |
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rangi |
yay |
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cait |
lol |
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cait |
I was going to look at that too |
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cait |
tcohen: thx for the javascript fixes :) |
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Brooke_ |
4 eyes > 2 |
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cait |
I started on that too - but yours are much better! I will try to sign-off on them tomorrow! |
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rangi |
the power of a plea to the devel list |
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cait |
hehe yes |
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cait |
have you seen the patch from mark? |
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rangi |
for? |
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tcohen |
i cannot reproduce 6085 |
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cait |
tcohen: I think they were testing the new templates - but not sure |
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rangi |
cait: ill need more info than that, theres only about 10 zillion patches in my mailbox :) |
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tcohen |
i did git checkout origin |
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cait |
rangi: already searching for your bugnumber! |
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rangi |
tcohen: thats worth noting on the bug, and ask for clarification |
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cait |
:p |
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rangi |
it may be they were testing with new/enh/bug_5917 |
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tcohen |
we could report a bug "rangi is overloaded" |
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rangi |
hehe |
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rangi |
tcohen: just write create_more_time.pl |
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cait |
bug 5547 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5547 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED, A "hidelostitems" option for the staff client |
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Brooke_ |
yeah that's approaching critical. |
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Brooke_ |
I think it's related to "rangi can use more peanut butter" |
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cait |
rangi: how is the flu? |
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Brooke_ |
but I'm not a developer. |
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oleonard |
Bug6085 is "worksforme" |
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rangi |
almost gone |
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rangi |
oleonard: if you have a chance could you try it with new/enh/bug_5917 ? |
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rangi |
ie the new templates |
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rangi |
it may be a bug in there |
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oleonard |
Sure |
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rangi |
thanks |
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rangi |
cait: is that marks first patch? |
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rangi |
he might have just stolen 139th place, claire will have to get 140 now |
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oleonard |
Hm, git fetch is timing out |
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tcohen |
"Can't locate Template.pm" |
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rangi |
apt-get install libtemplate-perl |
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rangi |
tcohen: it'll be added to do the dependencies |
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rangi |
oleonard: thats unhelpful |
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tcohen |
ack |
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jwagner |
Can someone verify Bug 6102? |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6102 enhancement, P5, ---, paul.poulain, NEW, Bib record log viewer displaying wrong biblionumber entries |
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cait |
rangi: I think so :) |
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cait |
tcohen: nope |
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cait |
ah, yes, that one is about templates - but be careful with installed languages and browser settings too |
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tcohen |
rangi: i cannot test using es-ES, auth.tt not found error |
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tcohen |
i guess tmpl_process3.pl wont make it for tt.... :-D |
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rangi |
it should |
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tcohen |
it created the translated templates, but no .tt appears |
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rangi |
hmm that seems like a bug, but it means that they cant have been testing with 5917 then :) |
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tcohen |
i've got to leave right now |
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tcohen |
i'm sorry |
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tcohen |
bye! |
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oleonard |
jwagner: I enabled the cataloging log, edited a record, and viewed the modification log for that title. The biblio number listed in the Object column was correct. |
| 18:37 |
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jwagner |
But did you test with a pair, like biblio 10 and 100, or 100 and 1000? |
| 18:37 |
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jwagner |
The problem shows on the smaller number when there are edits on the larger number |
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gmcharlt |
glanced at the code, and ... yeah, it would |
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oleonard |
jwagner: confirmed |
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gmcharlt |
C4::Log::GetLogs is doing ... like '%object_id%' when it's retrieving log entries |
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jwagner |
I looked at that, and it seemed to be passing itemnumber |
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gmcharlt |
right, but if you're looking for (say) biblio 123 |
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jwagner |
I may have been looking in the wrong place -- Items.pm GetItem |
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gmcharlt |
the like clause has it search action_logs for rows where object like '%123%' |
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gmcharlt |
C4::Log::GetLogs is the correct spot |
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cait |
gmcharlt: does this make any sense? |
| 18:42 |
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jwagner |
I uploaded a screenshot which might make it clearer |
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gmcharlt |
cait: no, the current behavior isn't right |
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oleonard |
Bug 6085 seems to be a T:T-related bug. |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6085 blocker, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, Can't Change language both in OPAC and staff client |
| 18:44 |
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gmcharlt |
bug's been present since at least 2007 |
| 18:44 |
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jwagner |
Gotta run now, see you all later. |
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cait |
ouch |
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rangi |
oleonard: thanks for checking, please update the bug saying so, and ill work on fixing it |
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rangi |
oleonard: its most likely something small and annoying like the browser thing |
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rangi |
or path issues |
| 18:45 |
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rangi |
thanks for confirming its not in master |
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rangi |
now i just have to fix it, so tt can go in master |
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oleonard |
Good excuse to do some more testing of Bug 5917 |
| 18:47 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5917 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Switch Koha to use Template::Toolkit |
| 18:47 |
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rangi |
thankfully C4/Template.pm is much smaller and less confusing than its previous incarnation |
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rangi |
oleonard: i fixed (i hope) a bunch of stuff in that since you last tested |
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rangi |
and updated the wiki page |
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gmcharlt |
rangi: I could have my cat walk across a keyword and rectify that situation ;) |
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oleonard |
:D |
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rangi |
gmcharlt: did it do that for C4/Search? |
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gmcharlt |
rangi: not one of mine, fortunately :-P |
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rangi |
:) |
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rangi |
reminds me of this old chestnut |
| 18:50 |
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rangi |
good lord im old |
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rangi |
SunSolve Bug ID: 4256482 |
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rangi |
------------------------- |
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rangi |
Problem: Banging on keyboard during cde startup causes dtwm hang |
| 18:50 |
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rangi |
Workaround: Don't bang on the keyboard like a wild monkey |
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rangi |
gmcharlt++ |
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rangi |
that was speedy |
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gmcharlt |
what I didn't tell you all that i've been thinking about how to fix that bug every since it was introduced in 2007 |
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gmcharlt |
(not really) |
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rangi |
ok kids are awake time to start the routine, be back from the bus in an hour or so |
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rangi |
heh |
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oleonard |
rangi: All the TT OPAC issues I found in my last round of testing are now fixed |
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rangi |
shoulda started a working group on it |
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rangi |
oleonard: yay! |
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Brooke_ |
oleonard++ |
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oleonard |
...or they might have been if I hadn't realized I switched branches a moment ago |
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oleonard |
oleonard-- |
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huginn |
oleonard: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma. |
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* oleonard |
returns to the drawing board, which he should store under his protective blanket of fear |
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oleonard |
* http://www.pvponline.com/2000/09/06/wed-sep-06/ |
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cait1 |
oleonard: I was going to ask you if you have an idea about the missing pagination for notice triggers |
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cait1 |
we were looking at it , but it seems very complicated because of the tabs in the table |
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cait1 |
if you have more than 10 patron categories you can't add rules for 2 of them |
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slef |
wizzyrea: got a mo? |
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oleonard |
Can't hear you. I'm inside my protective blanket of fear. |
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oleonard |
cait: What's the issue with missing pagination for notice triggers? |
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cait |
sorry, got disconnected again |
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cait |
and waiting for bugzilla to open |
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cait |
it only shows the first 10 categories |
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cait |
and there is no way to page |
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oleonard |
Interesting, so it does. |
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cait |
hm? |
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cait |
bug 5899 |
| 19:12 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5899 critical, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, Missing pagination for notice/overdue triggers |
| 19:12 |
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cait |
sorry long day |
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chris_n |
cait: even long days do end ;-) |
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cait |
hm |
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cait |
yep, perhaps I should sleep |
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chris_n |
sleep++ |
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oleonard |
It doesn't look like a template bug to me |
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cait |
feel free to reassign |
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* oleonard |
finds a lot of SQL happening in overduerules.pl |
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cait |
I was not sure how the pagination works |
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chris_n |
so long as it does not look like this sort of bug... http://tinyurl.com/n7onj2 |
| 19:17 |
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cait |
and how it could be added in |
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* chris_n |
thinks his cat would have a time with that one |
| 19:18 |
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cait |
looks like a blocker bug to me :) |
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oleonard |
I wonder if pagination is even appropriate for this page? (assuming all categories could be made to display) |
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* oleonard |
corrects himself, again, because half his patron categories were 'no notice required' |
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* oleonard |
can't add a new patron category |
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oleonard |
categorie.pl: Illegal date specified (year = 0, month = 0, day = 00) at /home/oleonard/kohaclone/admin/categorie.pl line 199 |
| 19:23 |
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cait |
oleonard: this will be fixed bymark's patch sent today :) |
| 19:23 |
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cait |
it's the one I pointed rangi to ab it earlier |
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cait |
hm, or it's a new bug looking at your error message |
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cait |
and the blocker bug comment was about the picture |
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cait |
better go to sleep |
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cait |
bye all! |
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oleonard |
Okay, cait was right. Today's new patch for bug 5547 fixes my problem with adding categories |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5547 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED, A "hidelostitems" option for the staff client |
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* oleonard |
finds, now that he has 11 patron categories, that all are showing on overduerules.pl |
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tcohen |
oleonard, i've found that *tags*.pl files (don't remember right now) have javascript vode inside |
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tcohen |
(the alert/error message is prepared in the .pl file) |
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tcohen |
is it worth filling a bug and submitting a patch? |
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tcohen |
or "if it works don't fix-it"? |
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tcohen |
s/vode/code/ |
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oleonard |
I would like to see what you found if you can locate it again |
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tcohen |
opac-tags.pl |
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tcohen |
output_with_http_headers $input, undef, |
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tcohen |
"window.alert('Your CGI session cookie ($sessid) is not current. " . |
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tcohen |
"Please refresh the page and try again.');\n", 'js'; |
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tcohen |
tags/review.pl too |
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oleonard |
tcohen: I don't think those can be easily resolved. I also think those errors will appear so rarely it's a low priority. |
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tcohen |
oleonard: ok |
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tcohen |
rangi: about bug 5546, the patch posted by jonathan druart is similar to the initial patch / cookies enabled posted first, it just rearranges things so it applies to master again |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5546 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, tomascohen, ASSIGNED, Ability to hide MARC documentation links |
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rangi |
tcohen: so safe to push? |
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tcohen |
:-D |
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rangi |
ill try to take a look |
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rangi |
46 in signed off status |
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tcohen |
take your time rangi |
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* rangi |
is having fun with the biblioitems thread |
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rangi |
using the bus ride to catch up on emails so im ready to go when I get to work |
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* jcamins |
discovers that bug 5868 probably should have been titled "CCL searches do not work for most fields" |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5868 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED, Subject indexes do not search most 6xx fields |
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rangi |
I turn off ccl links where I find them |
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Waylon |
Greetings all. On the subject of DNS updates, is updating dns records, a valid method of primary to secondary failover? |
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jcamins |
Waylon: not really a Koha question, but, no. |
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jcamins |
Let me rephrase that. |
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tcohen |
it depends on dns records ttl |
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jcamins |
"Yes, but not for anything that requires a guaranteed quality of service." |
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Waylon |
currently set to 30 minutes. |
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Waylon |
of course, it depends on everyone else's ISP dns cache behaviour? |
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Waylon |
or do they all obey TTL these days? |
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tcohen |
it means people wont have access to your secondary server until that time elapsed |
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jcamins |
Waylon: well, that's the thing. They don't all. They're supposed to, but don't. |
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tcohen |
if you wanted to resist a server failover, i would think of setting apache+mod_proxy or a varnish setup for load balancing |
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tcohen |
varnish or haproxy |
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rangi |
waylon xtra dont |
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Waylon |
whats Xtra set to? |
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rangi |
they ignore ttl |
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rangi |
and do their own |
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tcohen |
you would need to use database for storing sessions |
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rangi |
who knows they'll never tell |
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rangi |
or nginx |
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rangi |
we did that for a site we shifted |
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rangi |
ok bus stop |
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tcohen |
i never used nginx |
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rangi |
bbiab |
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tcohen |
bye! |
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rangi |
tcohen check it out its neat |
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Waylon |
but if the server that has nginx on it, dies, then its still not going to be 100% safe. |
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* rangi |
leaves |
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tcohen |
you're right |
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Waylon |
only surefire way, is a ip address swap, eh? |
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tcohen |
you can have several DNS entries for the same fqdn |
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Waylon |
yes... but if one is down... 50% chance of the client getting the broken ip address? |
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Waylon |
we don't want to loadbalance, since we can't have circular replication. |
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Waylon |
so we'd lose stats, if our backup server gets used. |
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Waylon |
losing stats when the backup server is being used in failover is acceptable. Losing stats all the time, is not. |
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tcohen |
do we use row locks in koha? |
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oleonard |
See you tomorrow #koha |
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tcohen |
bye oleonard |
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Waylon |
Row locks exist in InnoDB. |
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Waylon |
which im converting our db's to, to get quick, no lock, mysqldumps. |
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tcohen |
yes, but i don't know if we use them |
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tcohen |
i think they are stoppers for using a distributed mysql setup |
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tcohen |
(for failover |
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tcohen |
we have a central MySQL server, and several apache front-ends here |
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tcohen |
so got me thinking.... |
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Waylon |
Yes.... but the data entry office is tethered to the net via ADSL. |
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tcohen |
oops |
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Waylon |
So.. not going to be great for entering in biblios. |
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tcohen |
i think you should make an automatic IP change setup for your failover |
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Waylon |
so... we do it speed-independant. replication... office->primary server->backup server |
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Waylon |
yes... but boss is resistant to change. Hes comfortable with Hostgator..... and doesn't want to move to Softlayer, the host of hostgator. |
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rangi |
back |
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Waylon |
is there a webpage that accurately and simply describes the failures of using dns updates as backup procedures? |
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Waylon |
ive been trying to describe it, but whatever i say... doesn't get the point across. |
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rangi |
i could make you one |
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rangi |
it would be called |
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rangi |
wtfdnsisnotforfailover.com |
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Waylon |
haha |
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Waylon |
Brilliant. |
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rangi |
i can tell you for all the mission critical stuff we do at catalyst, electoral roll, .nz etc |
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rangi |
we dont rely on dns updates for DR |
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Waylon |
use ip fallover + mysql replication? |
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rangi |
well we dont use mysql much either |
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rangi |
subsitute postgres in there |
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rangi |
and yep |
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Waylon |
ah. |
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rangi |
hmm i dont understand sheldons question at all |
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rangi |
must need more coffee |
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SpaceLibrarian_home_ |
mmmm coffee... |
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jcamins |
rangi: there is not enough coffee in the world. |
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rangi |
ahh it wasnt just me then ;) |
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rangi |
i feel better |
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jcamins |
I think the issue is that his barcodes don't match what he entered into the system. |
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rangi |
ahhh |
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slef |
boomsheboombedoompy... flame on! |
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slef |
(not on koha lists, don't worry) |
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rangi |
debian? |
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wahanui |
well, debian is what most people use and there are good manuals and even packages for that |
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bg |
@wunder 93109 |
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huginn |
bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 18.7�C (2:07 PM PDT on April 06, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 29.93 in 1013.4 hPa (Rising). |
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rangi |
@wunder wellington nz |
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huginn |
rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 11.0�C (9:00 AM NZST on April 07, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Rising). |
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rangi |
yuck |
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bg |
that's a slaughter :) |
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rangi |
whats the area code for NOLA? |
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rangi |
zip code or whatever its called ;) |
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bg |
try 70112 |
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SpaceLibrarian_home_ |
that's not even the apparent temp in Wellington. ugh. |
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bg |
70112~70195 |
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bg |
@wunder 70190 |
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huginn |
bg: The current temperature in Harvey Canal, Harvey, Louisiana is 21.8�C (4:09 PM CDT on April 06, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018.2 hPa (Steady). |
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SpaceLibrarian_home_ |
that's nice there. |
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ibeardslee |
SpaceLibrarian_home_: yeah a bit brrr and damp this morning |
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ibeardslee |
with a gentle breeze |
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bg |
@wunder 70125 |
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huginn |
bg: The current temperature in Mid City Station, New Orleans, Louisiana is 24.5�C (4:10 PM CDT on April 06, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 30.08 in 1018.5 hPa (Steady). |
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bg |
that should be the middle of the city |
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bg |
@wunder 70130 |
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huginn |
bg: The current temperature in Harvey Canal, Harvey, Louisiana is 21.8�C (4:12 PM CDT on April 06, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018.2 hPa (Steady). |
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bg |
@whoami |
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huginn |
bg: I don't recognize you. |
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bg |
@whoami |
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huginn |
bg: bg |
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bg |
thanks :) |
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SpaceLibrarian_home_ |
right time to brave the brr and the damp, with the gentle breeze... |
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jcamins |
Good night, #koha |
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rangi |
night jcamins |
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jcamins is now known as jcamins_away |
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gmcharlt |
bg: always a relief to know that somebody knows your name ;) |
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bg |
that's so true :) |
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rangi |
heh |
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rangi |
unless its the IRS |
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bg |
how's things gmcharlt - you finally home? |
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gmcharlt |
bg: yes; been home for days now ;) |
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bg |
that's good - wasn't totally sure I think the last thing I saw was rain where ever you went |
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rangi |
hi ronald |
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eythian |
hello ronald |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_4276' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]58e4fcf670d047331> / Bug 4276 follow-up: quote strings with curly braces <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]866c77febf68d60a3> |
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jenkins_koha |
Starting build 127 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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eythian |
new squeeze-dev packages uploaded |
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rangi |
cool |
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Waylon |
a thought... can a whole directory be included... or used, instead of having to call a use statement per module? I'd like to call x() and have x() of every module in that directory, called, and if any module returns 1, return 1. |
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eythian |
Waylon: that sounds like a recipie for disaster, really :) |
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Waylon |
okay, reason. Authentication module plugins without having to alter Koha code. Currently, the koha im maintaining for work, has several additional subs, and calls to those subs from the sub used to authenticate. System supports authentication via virtualhost + referer url, virtualhost + ip address... would like to minimize how much editing of the original koha code id have to do, to maintain git mergabilty. |
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eythian |
You can build a simple plugin system without too much trouble in Perl. |
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* eythian |
looks for an example he did some time ago |
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Waylon |
basically.. would be nice to just need to include the plugin USE and one authenticate() call, just before koha decides to throw a user out. |
| 23:36 |
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eythian |
http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~e[…]PluginMgr.pm#L204 <-- something like that a useful idea? |
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* jcamins_away |
suggests PAM and goes back to writing a book report |
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eythian |
It's probably a bit overkill for what you need. But the guts of it is that if your plugins are OO, then you can instantiate them given the path, chuck the reference in a hash or array or whatever, and just call it via that. |
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eythian |
PAM would be worth looking at too |
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jenkins_koha |
Project Koha_master build #127: SUCCESS in 41 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/127/ |
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jenkins_koha |
Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 4276 follow-up: quote strings with curly braces |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4276 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED, "Related subjects" search doesn't work with XSLT on and chained subject terms |
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Waylon |
... can i make a fake LDAP server, and include my authentication methods as the things to check to return to the LDAP plugin of koha? |
| 23:44 |
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eythian |
It would surely almost be easier to make a real LDAP server, wouldn't it? |
| 23:46 |
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Waylon |
hmm.. can LDAP handle virtualhost and ip address ranges as authetication instead of username and password? |
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eythian |
I don't know. |
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mtj |
why not just stuff all you code into a C4::AuthUSE file, that gets called once from within C4::Auth |
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mtj |
its poss. only a 2-3 line mod |
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Waylon |
hmm. true. |
