Time Nick Message 00:02 eythian what is the purpose of all the 'notify' stuff in the accounts system? 00:04 hdl eythian: sending a message to the patron or the librarian when there is a fine. 00:04 hdl iirc 00:04 hdl but it is 2 AM here... going to bed. Have a nice evening 00:05 eythian do you know how it works? There's notify_id and notify_level... 00:05 eythian oh, OK :) 00:05 hdl notify id 00:05 eythian catch you later 00:05 hdl eythian: is it in the present system ? 00:06 eythian it's in there, I'm trying to work out if it's being used. 00:10 hdl mmmm from my little investigation, seems like an unused and maybe underdeveloped feature 00:11 eythian yeah, I'm getting that impression too. I'm going to strip it out I think. If anyone complains, reimplementing it properly won't be hard. 00:14 hdl seems like something developed by and for SAN . 00:14 hdl used in GetNotifyMailOps 00:14 hdl misc/cronjobs/notifyMailsOp.pl 00:14 hdl too tired. 00:15 hdl going to bed sorry 01:51 Irma chris_n ping 01:51 Irma :-) 01:52 Irma Has the "Recent Acquisitions" under Search on the mainpage.pl in the English interface been removed? It is still there in the French interface: Rechercher * Chercher dans le catalogue : * Acquisitions récentes 01:57 Cybermon Good morning all... 02:18 Cybermon anyone here ? 02:24 eythian nope. 02:24 Cybermon :-) 02:28 space_librarian we're figments of your imagination... 02:28 wizzyrea merely ghosts of koha users in other timezones, adrift in a sea of bits 02:30 space_librarian caught in the semantic web... 02:32 wizzyrea dragging wraiths of uncataloged books to salvation in organization 02:34 space_librarian lest they be caught in the darkness of uncategorized oblivion. 02:49 wizzyrea you know 20mb is not that much data, but my broadband at my house is terrible! 02:49 wizzyrea this is taking forever! 02:49 * wizzyrea remembers when 500Mb was a big hd... o god I'm old now. 02:49 space_librarian at least your broadband over there is faster than ours... 02:50 wizzyrea you'd think that, but I'm not so sure. 02:50 wizzyrea in some places, on some providers, sure 02:50 * space_librarian laughs... then remembers that she too can recall when 500Mb was... 03:27 ebegin any centOS specialist around ? 03:44 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_6058' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5bdfefc7e1962a64079eb119d5229bfa28cf979d> / Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_6056' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=827c575b18c0914045b2855b066277f104e22ded> / Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_5942' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=c 03:45 jenkins_koha Starting build 120 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 03:46 kmkale Namaskar #koha 03:46 space_librarian namaste kmkale 03:46 kmkale hey space_librarian 03:46 wahanui hmmm... space_librarian is a new hire at catalyst .. second week eh space_librarian ? 03:47 space_librarian that quote is going to get old soon. Hey kmkale... have the parties across India started to wind down yet? :) 03:47 kmkale yup 03:48 kmkale now its a race between politicians to heap awards on the team 03:48 wizzyrea forget space_librarian 03:48 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot space_librarian 03:49 wizzyrea space_librarian is a Koha poet 03:49 wizzyrea space_librarian? 03:49 wahanui i guess space_librarian is a Koha poet 03:49 space_librarian wizzyrea: so are you! 03:49 wizzyrea wizzyrea? 03:49 wahanui you are a wonderful mother, colleague, and friend. 03:49 wizzyrea oh my 03:49 wizzyrea well that's very sweet 03:49 space_librarian that's awesome. lol 03:49 wizzyrea wizzyrea is also a koha poet 03:49 wahanui okay, wizzyrea. 03:49 wizzyrea wizzyrea? 03:49 wahanui rumour has it wizzyrea is a wonderful mother, colleague, and friend. or a koha poet 03:50 space_librarian haha! 03:50 rangi kmkale: https://twitter.com/#!/cricketireland/status/55233959524704256 03:50 space_librarian rangi: they're bitter over in the Emerald Isle. Fair enough, but damn... 03:51 kmkale lol 03:51 rangi i would be too 03:51 rangi im not gonna bother watching the 2015 03:51 rangi the ICC are ruining cricket 03:51 kmkale and thats really unfair on ireland 03:52 space_librarian that's around here, though, isn't it? And I can't believe they did that to Ireland. 03:52 kmkale I thought this years format was good. It allowed lower teams to showcase their talent 03:52 kmkale hi AmitG 03:52 space_librarian and pull off some great upsets. 03:53 rangi yeah 03:53 AmitG heya all 03:53 ibeardslee sadly cricket just has memories of standing around in the hot sun feeling faint waiting for someone to hit a ball in my direction (for me to miss catching it anyway) 03:53 AmitG heya chris, kmkale 03:54 kmkale heh 03:55 AmitG chris: are you coming for kohacon in India 03:56 * space_librarian laughs. She wonders how many times is Rangi going to get asked that question. 03:57 kmkale yah. constantly till he says yes ;) 03:58 * space_librarian notices her grammar has gone to hell in a handbasket. 03:59 ibeardslee with a nice red and white check lining? 03:59 space_librarian and some red wine and baguettes to keep it company 03:59 ibeardslee mmmm 04:01 eythian that's not a very hellish handbasket. 04:02 ibeardslee you don't want it too hellish when you are going there, you can pick up some extra hell when you get there 04:02 space_librarian ibeardslee has the right idea. 04:03 ibeardslee of course he has ;) 04:04 space_librarian he also has enough sense to not get between a woman and her chocolate tart. Smart, smart man. :p 04:05 ibeardslee wasn't sure if the beating would be worth the beating 04:08 * wizzyrea remembers Hell pizza, drools a little 04:08 * ibeardslee hands wizzyrea a napkin 04:08 wizzyrea smoked salmon, cream cheese, and caper pizza nommmmmmmmm 04:09 * space_librarian hands wizzyrea a box of Hell's pizza 04:09 * wizzyrea cries... so beautiful 04:09 rangi its pizza thursday tomorrow 04:09 ibeardslee space_librarian: was that a full box? 04:10 ibeardslee or had you lightened it? 04:10 wizzyrea I'd share with space_librarian anyday 04:10 space_librarian rangi: was thinking that... ibeardslee: of course it was a full box. I have my own. 04:10 space_librarian wizzyrea: :D You're awesome. 04:10 Cybermon hi all 04:10 Cybermon hi rangi 04:10 ibeardslee awww 04:11 space_librarian how are you feeling rangi? any better? 04:11 Cybermon anyone experience zebra indexing ? 04:13 rangi space_librarian: ill live 04:13 rangi Cybermon: your server is not running zebra anymore i switched it back the way you had it, to nozebra 04:13 rangi http://124.158.90.2/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=a&limit= 04:15 Cybermon thanks. 04:16 Cybermon i think that some books not available for search 04:16 Cybermon especially the mongolian books 04:19 Cybermon for example: au:Ðацагдорж 04:20 rangi yep, probably the proper fix is to set up icu and zebra, but i wont have time to even start looking at that until after the release 04:21 Cybermon :-) 04:21 Cybermon what is your advice or suggest ? 04:25 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_6065' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=99160747f48e591b482a3fcd7844d11b57f1e8db> / Bug 6047: Remove check on subfield 3 that prevents biblios from BNF to create corresp... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=96f054e90d4a582b13f1f6d2922b4ae99999a23d> / BZ6065: confirmation when deleting an order <http://git.koha-communi 04:25 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #120: SUCCESS in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/120/ 04:25 jenkins_koha * Alex Arnaud: Bug #6044 - Authority is deleted when mergeto and mergefrom are the same 04:25 jenkins_koha * Paul Poulain: BZ6058: uncertain price can't be unchecked 04:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6044 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Authority is deleted when mergeto and mergefrom are the same 04:25 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 6056: Notes were not shown when modifying order line 04:25 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 5914 : BuildUnimarchierarchies can go into an infinite loop Squashed commit of the following: 04:25 jenkins_koha * Stéphane Delaune: Bug 5942, sql for UNIMARC Authorities 04:25 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 5651: Question marks break searches w/ICU 04:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6056 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, NEW, Notes on order line not shown when modifying 04:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5914 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, henridamien, ASSIGNED, BuildUnimarcHierarchies can go into an infinite loop in certain conditions 04:25 jenkins_koha Starting build 121 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 04:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5942 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED, UNIMARC Authorities SQL data 04:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5651 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED, can't use ? character in searches 04:26 rangi Cybermon: email the koha list, cait has done with with icu and hebrew searching, she probably knows the answer 04:27 Cybermon thanks a lot 04:35 Cybermon where located zebra indexed files ? 05:05 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #121: SUCCESS in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/121/ 05:05 jenkins_koha * Paul Poulain: BZ6065: confirmation when deleting an order 05:05 jenkins_koha * Sophie Meynieux: Bug 6047: Remove check on subfield 3 that prevents biblios from BNF to create corresponding authorities 05:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6047 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Authority not added if subfield 3 in biblio 05:05 jenkins_koha Starting build 122 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 05:07 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5941 : (MT4425) Replace search 'an' by 'an, phr' in searchresultlist.tmpl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=99f49c1108dad5ef7548929b23d4a3815ae1a166> / Bug 6040 : Adding some error handling to the opac export <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=58013b6c2ad01b87c778ec56bf02dd58e826200e> 05:29 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5410 : Adds "do-not-truncate" in the search queries of Heading.pm <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0f4edffc16adacb439601f9051bacd89869018f7> 05:43 kmkale AmitG: How about that link? 05:45 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #122: SUCCESS in 39 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/122/ 05:45 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 6040 : Adding some error handling to the opac export 05:45 jenkins_koha * Alex Arnaud: Bug 5941 : (MT4425) Replace search 'an' by 'an, phr' in searchresultlist.tmpl 05:45 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6040 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, NEW, opac-export.pl can throw an untrapped error when trying to export an invalid record 05:45 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5941 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, alex.arnaud, ASSIGNED, Change the link in the authority search results, to a phrase search 05:45 jenkins_koha Starting build 123 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 05:49 * ebegin is looking for someone with CentOS experience. :) 06:09 * kmkale has lots of CentOS experience 06:10 * kmkale but not with Koha+CentOS 06:16 cait bbl :) 06:25 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #123: SUCCESS in 39 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/123/ 06:25 jenkins_koha Frédérick Capovilla: Bug 5410 : Adds "do-not-truncate" in the search queries of Heading.pm 06:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5410 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, fcapovilla, ASSIGNED, "Right truncation not supported" error when running link_bibs_to_authorities.pl 06:34 eythian damn, I didn't notice ronald had logged in. 07:18 hdl fredericd: around ? 07:19 rangi evening 07:19 hdl hi rangi 07:20 eythian rangi: almost got the accounts stuff reproducing the old behaviour with a few extensions using the new API. 07:20 rangi w00t 07:20 rangi well one 07:20 eythian how're you? 07:20 francharb hello all 07:21 rangi well done even 07:21 rangi eythian: doing a lot better, should be back on deck tomorrow, its amazing what some sleep can do 07:21 eythian awesome :) 07:22 eythian and cleaning up a lot of code as I go, which is satisfying, too. 07:23 rangi yeah thats always a good feeling 07:26 cait bonjour #koha 07:26 rangi hi cait 07:26 cait hi rangi 07:26 cait how are you? 07:26 rangi doing better, should be all good by tomorrow 07:27 rangi how many people today? 07:28 mtj rangi: theres a bug going around at werk? 07:28 eythian rangi: quick question, if I do: <input type="hidden" name="default_message" value="Payment, thanks" /> will that text string be translateable? 07:32 rangi mtj: no more than usual, was just wondering how many hackfesters there are 07:32 rangi eythian: yep thats fine 07:32 eythian sweet. cait, there you go :) 07:32 cait huh? 07:33 eythian cait: you were asking for that string to be translatable. 07:33 eythian http://abandonwear.biz/fullcatalog/ <-- oh wow! 07:33 cait h 07:33 cait ah :) 07:33 cait yes :) 07:33 cait eythian++ :) 07:33 cait eythian - you can check it quite easily - I have to do that sometimes too 07:33 mtj ah ok, i picked up a nasty sore throat on monday, and wondered if it was doing the rounds.. 07:33 cait perl install update somelanguagecode 07:34 cait and check the created po file for the strings 07:34 eythian mtj: there have been a lot of people away sick lately, so I think there is something going around. 07:34 eythian cait: good point, although no time right now. Either way, it's been refactored to a much higher level now so should it need to change, it's a lot easier. 07:34 cait :) 07:35 cait eythian: hm I wonder - it will save the translated string into description in the database? 07:35 cait or will the formatting / strings all be on template level? 07:35 eythian it saves into the database. 07:35 cait oh... 07:35 cait ;) 07:36 eythian It's easy to make it a real input box now though, so people could add custom notes or whatever. 07:36 cait you know, it would be really cool if one could switch the language in opac to english it would still look ok :) 07:36 cait hm I see why that would be good 07:36 eythian hmm 07:37 eythian Well, we could do something like 'if it's a blank message and a payment type, then display the default message'. 07:37 eythian but I won't for now, first priority is making it work :) 07:37 clrh hi everyone 07:37 mtj eythian: love the abandonwear site! 07:37 eythian yeah, it's a brilliant idea :) 07:38 clrh hdl 5102 is about 3.0 and master does not need it what do I do with it? 07:39 eythian > my $user = $input->remote_user; 07:39 eythian I don't think that'll ever work, right? 07:40 hdl clrh: you may close 07:40 clrh ok hdl 07:40 rangi eythian: that works with http auth 07:40 clrh wich status? 07:40 clrh wontfix? 07:40 rangi but not with our cookie based 07:40 eythian yeah, that's what I thought. It was how the staff user that was doing the payment was recorded. 07:41 hdl rangi: around 20 folks 07:41 cait eythian: yep - make it work :) 07:41 eythian Need to find how to get the user ID without bothering with the template guff. 07:41 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5924 : C4::AuthoritiesMarc.pm search enhancement <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c19d505abb1b492cc21e6f5b78fb4de91da44419> / bug 4837 make circ print page show item type description <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=fcbcdcf4cebdb32544a545d8ef91de1bbe67f457> / Bug 4196 -Followup : Defintion of popularity index into Unimarc setup <http://git.koha-community.or 07:41 cait eythian: and being able to save it in german will be good too 07:42 eythian Oh, we have a template defined here anyway. Easy. 07:42 eythian cait: user IDs don't need to be in German :) 07:42 cait was still talking about description 07:43 cait I am too slow for irc this morning - still waking up 07:43 eythian oh right, it'll work in whatever it's translated into :) 07:44 rangi eythian: the user is logged in already eh? 07:44 eythian rangi: yeah, the staff user. But I found that was already looked up so it's OK. 07:44 jenkins_koha Starting build 124 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 07:45 rangi cool C4::Context->userenv is the way i was going to suggest 07:45 eythian ah, good to know 07:49 eythian oh, I've got two ways that partial payments may work: one is that the user gives you $10 and you pay off $10 worth of whatever is there, the other is you say what you want paid off, and what you want partially paid off with an amount and it does the maths to work out how much they paid you. At the moment I'm doing the latter, but I just thought that the former is a likely use case too. 07:49 eythian But it probably requires a seperate form. 07:50 rangi yeah 07:50 rangi they would both be use cases 07:51 fredericd rangi: For 3.4 with TT, tmpl_process3.pl has to be rewritten. You explained me that it was done or about to be done. Will it change the produced .po files? 07:51 fredericd I mean if I create .po files now on HTML::Template, will they be usable to update, install on TT? 07:51 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_5555' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=31c519006ef2850c7b9451d688858b2b19e97e37> / Bug5555 Corrected search for ISBN / ISSN <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ab7435f964336a18f760b9dd91d4b4506528a051> 07:54 rangi fredericd: its been done and yes they will still be able to update 07:54 rangi po files dont care at all about how they were made 07:54 rangi all the have is a string in one language, that maps to a string in another language 07:55 rangi checkout out new/enh/bug_5917 07:55 rangi in the misc/translator dir 07:55 rangi thats the reworked translate scripts, you can use them in the exact same way 07:55 rangi i created translated .tt files from the 3.2 po files 07:58 fredericd rangi: So there isn't any chance that string extraction differs, even marginaly, if done on HTML::Template or TT and so disrupts install/update process? 07:59 rangi theres a chance, havent seen it happen yet, you can expirement with 5917 07:59 rangi check it out 07:59 rangi mv koha-tmpl to koha-tmpl.old 07:59 rangi mv koha-tt koha-tmpl 08:00 rangi then try updating some of the 3.2 ones 08:00 rangi any testing would be appreciated 08:00 rangi 5917 tracks master 08:02 fredericd or I could try creating .po files on master (HTML:/Template) and on this branch, and see if there is any difference? 08:03 rangi there will be differences 08:03 rangi order, and the comments etc 08:04 rangi the main point is that people dont have to retranslate 08:04 rangi that we can upgrade a 3.2 po file 08:04 rangi and use it for 3.4 08:05 rangi thats what we are aiming for, that we can use the 3.2 files 08:07 fredericd rangi: Some contextualizaton... The demand originated from the Marseille hackfesters. They would like to begin translating. So I could generate .po file on current HEAD templates. Is it certain that those pre-3.4 .po file will upgrade smoothly to TT? 08:08 rangi i wouldnt do that 08:08 rangi i would check out 5917, and update the 3.2 po files there using the method i outlined before 08:09 rangi then they will be guaranteed to work with the TT ones, because they will have been updated by the new translation tools 08:09 fredericd So wouldn't start translating 3.4 string on HTML::Template branch but do it on the TT one? 08:09 hdl Do you think there will be much changes in strings ? 08:10 rangi on the 8th when i call string freeze, the TT branch will be merged into master 08:10 rangi so starting on that now makes more sense to me 08:10 fredericd me too 08:10 rangi hdl: not a huge amount in the opac, quite a lot in the staff side, lots of patches have changed templates 08:10 fredericd but there are volunteer in Marseille available for starting the job... 08:11 hdl rangi: I have a template uri... But that move directory was not done with git... 08:11 rangi no you do it yourself 08:11 rangi thats why i list doing it 08:11 clrh hackfest - available to work on another subject "other sign off" or "circulation sign off" or other now 08:11 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5868: Subject indexes do not search 6xx fields <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a6f28246ae08440da8065183dae091bbf0a0b34b> 08:11 rangi because i need to track both currently 08:11 rangi as patches are still coming in for the old templates 08:12 hdl rangi: but when you push new patches, you have to redo all over again... And breaks the site. 08:12 rangi ill git mv them just before i merge but for now, check out the branch, do the mvs 08:12 rangi hdl: yes, you do 08:13 rangi and i do it every day on my testing site, i have to have both or i cant apply patches 08:13 rangi it is only 3 days till string freeze 08:13 rangi the more 5917 gets tested before then 08:13 rangi the less broken master wil be after then 08:16 cait oh I totally forgot about string freeze! 08:20 * cait waves to paul_p 08:21 cait bug 6073 08:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6073 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED, string missing for translation in acq.js 08:21 cait this is a complicated one- it will not break anything, it will just not work 08:22 cait what should I do? 08:23 hdl rangi: on ./translate update 08:23 hdl => Wide character in print at ./xgettext.pl line 221. 08:23 hdl Wide character in print at ./xgettext.pl line 221. 08:23 hdl /tmp/l803KrhVd9:35360:14: Séquence d'octets multiples invalide 08:23 hdl /tmp/l803KrhVd9:60527:9: Séquence d'octets multiples invalide 08:23 hdl msgmerge: 2 erreurs fatales trouvées 08:24 rangi yep, that means there is a bad character in the .po file 08:24 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #124: SUCCESS in 39 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/124/ 08:24 jenkins_koha * Frédérick Capovilla: Corrects an error when showing a suggestion linked to a deleted budget. 08:24 jenkins_koha * fdurand: Bug 4196 - Defintion of popularity index into Unimarc setup 08:24 jenkins_koha * fdurand: Bug 4196 -Followup : Defintion of popularity index into Unimarc setup 08:24 jenkins_koha * Nicole Engard: bug 4837 make circ print page show item type description 08:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4196 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED, Defintion of popularity index into Unimarc setup 08:24 jenkins_koha * Henri-Damien LAURENT: Bug 5924 : C4::AuthoritiesMarc.pm search enhancement 08:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4837 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, guillaume.hatt, ASSIGNED, Circulation Print Page uses incorrect heading / incorrect information 08:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5924 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, henridamien, ASSIGNED, Authorities search : Heading Main is defined in unimarc record.abs 08:24 jenkins_koha Starting build 125 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 08:27 * rangi goes for a lie down 08:27 hdl good nigh 08:27 hdl t 08:29 rangi hdl: try opening the file in poedit it might tell you where the bad char is, now im really gone :) 08:30 cait rangi: sleep well 08:30 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_Meeting,_6_April_2011 08:31 rangi just a lie down, not sleep, meeting in 1.5 hours 08:31 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Partial fix for Bug 4870, Damaged status does not prevent items from being selected... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0f7411ceee5887751fb34ad2c72c83216d55f0c1> 08:32 rangi altho i might not wake up 08:32 * rangi wanders off again! 08:49 * eythian has a restructured accounts system that has the ability to do partial payments. That's a good time to go home. 08:55 cait :) 08:55 cait eythian: when can I test and sign-off? 08:55 cait and have a nice evening :) 08:56 * SpaceLibrarian_home can't believe eythian's still at work 08:56 eythian a little while yet, but it's mostly downhill from here :) 08:56 eythian SpaceLibrarian_home: i'm not a quitter like you ;) 08:56 * SpaceLibrarian_home feels guilty 08:57 SpaceLibrarian_home :) I have manuals to write though. And I took work home with me. I guess that's okay then. 08:58 eythian I don't have two monitors at home, so prefer to do this sort of thing here :) 09:03 pastebot0 "eythian" at 202.78.240.7 pasted "new accounts status" (12 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/197 09:03 eythian cait et al: that's what I'm up to with it now 09:04 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #125: SUCCESS in 39 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/125/ 09:04 jenkins_koha * Janusz Kaczmarek: Bug5555 Corrected search for ISBN / ISSN 09:04 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 5868: Subject indexes do not search 6xx fields 09:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5868 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED, Subject indexes do not search most 6xx fields 09:04 jenkins_koha Starting build 126 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 09:05 SpaceLibrarian_home eythian: fair enough. I wish I had 2 monitors at home. 09:06 eythian Yeah, one of these days I'll do that. 09:06 * eythian makes like a tree and gets outta here 09:10 cait eythian++ 09:27 Brooke_ kia ora! 09:27 magnuse kia ora Brooke_! 09:28 Brooke_ :) 09:28 AmitG heya Brookie 09:34 * Brooke_ is fairly certain the people over on the Washington Post forum and elsewhere claiming that this isn't a revenue problem failed either basic maths or basic civics... 09:35 cait hi Brooke_ 09:35 cait hm 09:35 Brooke_ guten morgen! 09:36 cait search for patrons in patron card creation only works with category codes (A = Adult and such), not the descriptions - bug? 09:36 Brooke_ sounds like it 09:41 cait magnus++ for marzipan 09:41 frido just arrived, ready to hack 09:42 cait :) 09:44 cait morning jwagner 09:44 jwagner Guten tag, cait! 09:44 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #126: SUCCESS in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/126/ 09:44 jenkins_koha Owen Leonard: Partial fix for Bug 4870, Damaged status does not prevent items from being selected for reserves 09:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4870 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, christophe.croullebois, ASSIGNED, Damaged status does not prevent items from being selected for reserves 09:45 magnuse so i want to sign off on a branch, specifically http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/new/awaiting_qa/enh/bug_5422 - do i just change the status in bugzilla to signed off, or do i generate patches, sign off on them and send them to the patches list? 09:47 cait hm, this does not look right for me (translation) - any ideas? 09:47 cait alert("Please choose at least one Z39.50 target"); 09:48 jwagner cait, it looks OK, assuming it's a warning message when someone tries a z39.50 search without choosing a target 09:48 magnuse cait: looks good to me 09:48 cait jwagner it's ok 09:49 cait but I think it's missing the markers for proper pickup from the translation tool 09:49 jwagner ah. can't help you there :-) 09:49 cait it works fine :) only questioning the translation side of things 09:49 cait I think it should probably more look like this 09:49 cait alert(_('leader has an incorrect size: ' + leader_length + ' instead of 24 chars')); 09:52 frido i say yes, _() is a javascript function to isolate strings for translations 09:53 frido it is useless for execution 09:54 cait frido: I tried a search on the git repo and if that's true we have a lot of problems with alert strings in there :( 09:54 cait only very few strings using the _( 09:55 frido ah, i know a lot of them 09:55 cait hmpf. 09:55 cait perhaps another project for this week 09:55 cait something to do before string freeze 09:56 frido some strings are translated anyway i think 09:56 rangi i dont think you need the _ for alerts 09:56 frido but it might brake js code 09:57 rangi when its just an alert containing a string 09:57 frido _() is usefull if there are variables no ? : alter("string" + var + "string") 09:57 rangi yeah 09:58 frido it will give msgid : "string %s string" in PO file 09:58 rangi yep 09:58 cait rangi: I am testing it 09:58 cait did you sleep? 09:58 rangi a little 09:59 cait ah ok 09:59 Brooke_ truf: kiwis only need chocolate or coffee. Not sleep. 09:59 SpaceLibrarian_home yes. 10:00 SpaceLibrarian_home Unless the bionic and have been running at 250% for the past while... 10:00 cait not only true for kiwis :) 10:00 SpaceLibrarian_home they are* 10:00 SpaceLibrarian_home :) 10:00 Brooke_ the bionic ones need ttfu then :P 10:02 cait hm, rangi: string was not found in my updated po files :( 10:03 rangi youll have to talk to the translation manager then 10:04 cait oh right 10:04 cait so you think we should make it pick up the alerts? 10:04 cait without marking them _( 10:04 cait ? 10:04 rangi i thought it did already 10:04 cait hm 10:04 rangi but yeah, translation managers decision 10:05 jwagner There is a meeting scheduled for now, isn't there? 10:05 cait fredericd: ping 10:05 SpaceLibrarian_home jwagner: yep 10:05 magnuse http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_Meeting,_6_April_2011 10:05 jwagner Glad I didn't get up this early in vain :-) 10:06 SpaceLibrarian_home :) 10:06 thd :) 10:06 Brooke_ bah, it ain't early if birds are awake 10:06 thd my hand is still asleep 10:07 SpaceLibrarian_home I'm still waiting to go to bed... :p 10:08 thd was there an announcement on the mailing list? 10:08 thd s/announcement/reminder/ 10:08 cait so, should we start the meeting? 10:09 thd Where is the release manager? 10:09 rangi here as always 10:09 * thd was forgetting that chris is taken 10:10 hdl hi 10:10 * cait sends rangi chocolate to keep him awake 10:10 * SpaceLibrarian_home sends milo 10:11 * Brooke_ follows cait with a flat white 10:11 * SpaceLibrarian_home laughs 10:11 rangi who is going to chair? 10:11 thd my hand is awake, therefore, it must be time to start. 10:11 cait feeling up to it rangi? 10:11 rangi nope 10:11 rangi im gonna do my 3.4 and go to sleep 10:11 * Brooke_ points at cait. 10:12 SpaceLibrarian_home rangi ++ 10:12 thd I nominate cait 10:12 Brooke_ second 10:12 Brooke_ motion carries 10:12 Brooke_ cait's chairing. 10:12 rangi http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot 10:12 cait I don't know the bot 10:12 hdl follow the link 10:12 rangi might be a bit unfair without giving her time to read up on the bot 10:12 thd That was my excuse :) 10:12 cait and it's my excuse too 10:13 rangi and we want volunteers not appointed 10:13 Brooke_ not a very good one, if Brooke can do it anyone can :P 10:13 cait what about Brooke_ - she did a great job last time 10:13 Brooke_ Fine, I'll chair, but you're getting a tyrant ant this hour :P 10:13 Brooke_ #startmeeting 10:13 huginn Meeting started Wed Apr 6 10:14:24 2011 UTC. The chair is Brooke_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 10:13 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 10:13 Brooke_ #topic Introductions 10:13 Brooke_ introduce yourselves to noone in particular - go! 10:14 rangi Chris Cormack, RM 10:14 thd Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City 10:14 * hdl Henri-Damien LAURENT, France RMaint 3.0 10:14 * magnuse Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway (currently in Marseille ;-) 10:14 jwagner Jane Wagner, LibLime/PTFS 10:14 * cait Katrin Fischer, BSZ 10:14 SpaceLibrarian_home Shelley Gurney, Catalyst 10:14 * clrh Claire Hernandez, BibLibre 10:16 * thd has read the bot manual and cannot claim ignorance in future. 10:16 cait thd: not sure this was a clever move 10:17 Brooke_ anyone else for introductions? 10:17 frido Fridolyn SOMERS, Progilone 10:18 hdl BobB: Irma ? AmitG ? 10:18 AmitG heya Amit G 10:18 Irma Bonsoir hdl 10:18 hdl Hi 10:19 Irma Salut! 10:19 hdl regular meeting now ;) 10:19 Irma oh 10:19 hdl (introductions) 10:19 Brooke_ #topic Roadmap to 3.2 update 10:20 Irma Irma Birchall CALYX Australia 10:20 rangi no chris_n i dont think 10:20 Brooke_ is the other chris awake? 10:20 rangi but he outlined his plan in an email to the list 10:20 Brooke_ that counts. 10:20 Irma thanks for the heads up hdl 10:20 rangi releasing 3.2.7 on the 15th (ish) 10:21 Brooke_ if some dear soul will take the time to link that to the wiki agenda and minutes, would be great 10:21 Brooke_ else I'll do it later 10:21 rangi #link http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2011-March/035273.html 10:22 Irma hi all 10:22 Brooke_ hooray 10:22 SpaceLibrarian_home hi Irma. 10:22 Brooke_ any 3.2 comments or queries? 10:22 hdl keep up the very good job 10:22 Brooke_ indeed, huzzah for frequent and timely releases 10:23 hdl chris_n++ 10:23 Brooke_ chris_n++ 10:23 cait chris_n++ 10:23 Irma chris_n++ 10:24 Brooke_ #topic 3.0 update 10:24 Brooke_ hdl? 10:24 wahanui hdl is sure that Croswalking records in zebra is also ram demanding. 10:24 * hdl hides away 10:24 hdl still striving to get one out 10:25 magnuse (lunch pizzas just arrived in Marseille ;-) 10:25 * Brooke_ tosses the penalty flag at Magnus 10:25 Brooke_ unsportsmanlike conduct, taunting, 5 yard penalty. 10:25 * SpaceLibrarian_home agrees with Brooke_ 10:26 rangi do we think we still need another 3.0 release, or should we call it done? 10:26 Brooke_ theoretically, you might stall a couple and 3.4 will be out 10:27 Brooke_ further ideas about the necessity of 3.0 10:27 Brooke_ <--- not neutral on the topic 10:27 hdl rangi: maybe not... actually. But we agreed to end the loop 10:27 thd loop? 10:28 rangi yep, but we can always change our minds :) 10:28 hdl the cycle 10:28 Irma can't see the necessity of 3.0 releases 10:28 thd Which cycle? 10:28 hdl cycle of releases. 10:28 Brooke_ anyone present who *can* see the necessity of a 3.0 release, identify now or forever be lost in the sands of time. 10:28 thd I only see the issue of security. 10:29 hdl Brooke_: the whole community is not there. 10:29 thd However, 3.2 could be recommended for security. 10:29 cait perhaps raise it on the mailing list? 10:29 rangi im just thinking that decision was made a long time ago 10:29 Brooke_ aye cait 10:29 clrh so, we can close the 3.0 patches if master does not need it? 10:29 Irma cait has a good idea 10:29 * cait hides 10:29 Brooke_ so 10:29 rangi (10 months since 3.0.6) 10:30 Brooke_ #action raise question of ending 3.0 on the list 10:30 Brooke_ any other 3.0 business? 10:31 Brooke_ #topic 3.4 update 10:31 Brooke_ take it away Rangi :) 10:32 rangi we are past feature freeze, i have moved some bugs to rel_3_6 already 10:32 rangi string freeze is on the 8th 10:33 clrh at Marseille we are doing our best to signoff etc. :) 10:33 Brooke_ merci! 10:33 rangi and yes the hackfesters are signing off lots 10:33 cait we try our best 10:33 Irma hackfesters ++ 10:33 hdl we had a testing group who is testing the template toolkit branch 10:33 rangi after teh 8th 10:33 hdl and beginning translation (french) 10:34 rangi i am going to merge new/enh/bug_5917 into master 10:34 Brooke_ for clarification's sake 8th UTC or Kiwi? 10:34 cait bug 5917 10:34 rangi UTC 10:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5917 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Switch Koha to use Template::Toolkit 10:34 hdl #link http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5917 10:34 huginn 04Bug 5917: enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Switch Koha to use Template::Toolkit 10:34 hdl we are testing also the bug 5579 10:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5579 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED, Remove items from biblioitems.marcxml 10:34 rangi i will continue to convert and merge changes to the old templates 10:35 hdl #link http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5579 10:35 huginn 04Bug 5579: critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED, Remove items from biblioitems.marcxml 10:35 cait magnus was working on my bug for adding state to borrowers - can this go in before template toolkit? 10:35 rangi but from them on, all new patches should be done against master, ie Template::Toolkit 10:35 rangi i will write a mail about how to sign off and test old patches too 10:36 rangi but we are on track for an ontime release 10:36 rangi with a LOT of new feautures and even more fixes in it 10:36 hdl the automated translation of template is documented. 10:36 cait yay! 10:36 Brooke_ rangi++ and the community++ 10:37 Irma What team work! 10:37 rangi hdl: yep, its quite easy to do 10:38 rangi for 3.6 we can start reorganising the templates, but for now, not doing that so that we can get the old patches in 10:38 rangi i think thats all from me 10:38 rangi except to thank everyone for helping 10:38 Brooke_ floor comments for 3.4? 10:39 hdl rangi: can you post the link for template toolkit translation 10:40 thd Do I understand that Template::Toolkit will be the basis for all templates in 3.4 or is that being postponed until 3.6? 10:40 hdl the first 10:40 wahanui the first is trivial to fix. second is a db update 10:41 Brooke_ anything else? 10:41 wahanui anything else is reinventing the wheel. 10:42 thd What is the reason for a DB update for templates? 10:42 hdl wahanui is a bot 10:42 wahanui i already had it that way, hdl. 10:42 thd :) 10:42 rangi hdl: ./installer/html-template-to-template-toolkit.pl -? 10:42 hdl wahanui: forget the first 10:42 wahanui hdl: I forgot first 10:43 hdl rangi: yes... and page documenting that 10:43 rangi that is the page documenting that 10:43 Brooke_ talked out on 3.4? 10:43 * Irma is wondering if anyone is working on a Serbian translation? 10:43 rangi feel free to put that on a page :) 10:44 Brooke_ #topic KohaCon2011 10:44 Brooke_ pinch hitter for kmkale? 10:46 thd Maybe kmkale needed a reminder about this meeting. 10:46 SpaceLibrarian_home the volunteers meeting is on Friday... 10:46 Irma 16:17 Wednesday (IST) - Time in Mumbai, Maharashtra, India 10:47 Irma should we email him? (says me who needed a reminder too...) 10:48 Brooke_ #help someone to send out a meeting reminder 10:48 thd Well yes, but we too often have neglected sending a reminder to the mailing list. 10:48 Irma KMKale might not be available on short notice 10:49 SpaceLibrarian_home he timed out just before the meeting... 10:51 Brooke_ Shelley would you please link the volunteer meeting infor 10:51 Irma OK email sent just in case he is available 10:52 Brooke_ thank ye Irma 10:53 Brooke_ if anyone has random stuff to say about KohaCon2011 say it now :D 10:53 thd Will their be a weekend break before the development days? 10:54 thd s/their/there/ 10:54 SpaceLibrarian_home #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon11_Volunteers#Next_Meeting 10:54 hdl thd: i think there is no concensus 10:55 thd :( 10:55 SpaceLibrarian_home there was vague talk of it, but nothing had been decided, last time I heard (last IRC meeting) 10:56 Brooke_ I'll tell you what 10:56 Brooke_ I will guarantee chickanery 10:56 SpaceLibrarian_home :) 10:56 Brooke_ and it will *feel* like there was a weekend. 10:56 thd I will make the suggestion for next year at least. 10:57 SpaceLibrarian_home I'll ask at the meeting on Friday. 10:57 * thd missed the previous volunteers meeting to raise the issue. 10:58 Brooke_ aye 10:58 * SpaceLibrarian_home did as well. 3am was not a good time 10:58 Irma chi·can·er·y (shÄ-kÄ´nÉ™-rÄ“, chÄ-) n. pl. chi·can·er·ies 1. Deception by artful subterfuge or sophistry. 2. A piece of sharp practice (as at law). 10:58 Brooke_ one of the things I'd wish for in addition to sparkle ponies would be better linkage of data. 10:58 conan Brooke_: random kohacon2011: will be streaming and/or video of the dev introduction talks? 10:59 Brooke_ here's hoping 10:59 SpaceLibrarian_home I think something about that is on the KohaCon link... 10:59 Brooke_ there was a very high bar set at KohaCon2010 that I'm hoping continues on 10:59 SpaceLibrarian_home or, at least, the webpage. 11:00 * SpaceLibrarian_home goes to look 11:00 Brooke_ #link http://kohacon11.vpmthane.org/ocs/index.php/k/k11 11:01 SpaceLibrarian_home not much up there yet... 11:01 Irma Catalyst's Kristina put in many hours to get the video recordings sorted! 11:02 Brooke_ indeed 11:02 SpaceLibrarian_home she did, they all look good. 11:02 thd Her experience should be consulted for 2011. 11:02 Brooke_ and straight after conference, so while I was all hopped up on hugs, I linked stuff to the wiki 11:02 Irma Maybe Kristina could suggest ways of making the editing a bit easier 11:03 Irma Brooke ++ 11:03 Brooke_ #idea consult with Kristina from Catalyst about digital resources 11:03 SpaceLibrarian_home I'll ask her tomorrow. 11:03 Irma Also the liquorice was delicious! 11:03 Brooke_ was it ever 11:04 * Brooke_ is hoping the vindaloo shall be delish. 11:04 * SpaceLibrarian_home agrees 11:04 * Irma too :-) 11:04 Brooke_ next to last agenda item 11:04 Brooke_ #topic KohaCon 2012 11:05 Brooke_ so we've been to India, EnZed, Yankeeland, and France 11:05 Brooke_ pretty good coverage 11:06 SpaceLibrarian_home Africa or the UK? 11:06 thd We need some rule about limiting the same country in short succession 11:06 Brooke_ missing SA or Africa imo 11:06 SpaceLibrarian_home Or Scandinavia? 11:06 Brooke_ here's the trick with that rule thd 11:06 Brooke_ there are gonna be times 11:06 Brooke_ when no one else has the juice to host 11:06 Brooke_ BUT 11:06 Brooke_ we wanna let things move if people do have a full tank 11:06 Brooke_ yes? 11:07 Brooke_ so I'd be for a priority 11:07 SpaceLibrarian_home yes. 11:07 Irma perhaps then not rules but preferences re KohaCon's next location 11:07 thd Priority well put. That could also be described as a fallback rule. 11:07 SpaceLibrarian_home good idea. 11:08 Brooke_ take a look over yonder 11:08 Brooke_ #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_Conference_Bidding 11:09 thd A mere preference may be voted down by the most populous country which is why there should be some strength to the preference/rule. 11:09 SpaceLibrarian_home as we have seen before, yes? 11:10 Irma It would be nice to be in a position to announce the next host on the last day of KohaCon2011. 11:10 Brooke_ mmm 11:10 SpaceLibrarian_home it would be. Get the awareness and enthusiasm(sp) up 11:10 SpaceLibrarian_home I'm tired, forgive the pending spelling mistakes. 11:10 Irma BUt of course a year is a long time and offers might need to be withdraw 11:11 Brooke_ I'd wonder if it were possible to nest a general meeting for conference venue over irc 11:11 Brooke_ at the next conference in order to make that happen 11:11 SpaceLibrarian_home then announce the shortlist at the last day of conf. 11:12 Irma a shortlist is a good suggestion 11:12 Brooke_ aye 11:12 Brooke_ how about 11:12 Brooke_ a shortlist 11:12 wahanui a shortlist is a good suggestion 11:12 Brooke_ with a vote at the next General meeting? 11:12 Brooke_ that way the hosts will know asap 11:12 Brooke_ and you won't have geography muck with voting 11:13 SpaceLibrarian_home great idea 11:13 Brooke_ at least not by presence 11:13 Irma It also encourages participation of the bidders for hosting to attend KohaCon2011 11:13 thd Continent or other large region limitation might be useful but without also having country limitation the most populous country may deprive others in the region of an opportunity to host. 11:14 Brooke_ #idea have a shortlist of candidates for KohaCon by the end of the current conference. A vote would then take place at the General IRC meeting afterwards. 11:14 Irma + 11:14 SpaceLibrarian_home + 11:14 Brooke_ they could theoretically only do that once thd 11:14 Brooke_ unless they perpetually block vote 11:15 Brooke_ which would result in a spanking, methinks. 11:15 SpaceLibrarian_home and bad karma 11:15 SpaceLibrarian_home :) 11:15 thd What would be the means of selection for a short list? 11:15 SpaceLibrarian_home a well considered and prepared bid? 11:16 SpaceLibrarian_home with a theme and rough budget? 11:16 Brooke_ I concur 11:16 Brooke_ the budget stuff might even be a level of gradation out from a proposal of interest 11:16 SpaceLibrarian_home you want to be able to make an informed choice when voting... 11:16 Brooke_ but as far as I'm concerned the proposal of interest would be good enough to short list 11:16 mib_an1suz i am not able to get any authorities searches 11:16 Brooke_ <---- not neutral on this topic, either. 11:17 * SpaceLibrarian_home agrees 11:17 mib_an1suz we have recently upgraded to 3.2.6 and the koha-error.log says authorities-home.pl: oAuth error: Database unavailable (109) 11:17 mib_an1suz how to resolv this issue can someone help me quickly 11:18 thd mib_anlsuz: Someone will try to help you after the general meeting. 11:18 jcamins mib_an1suz: there is currently a meeting underway. 11:19 thd What is the function of budget in the context of a proposal? 11:19 Brooke_ at the early stages, to me, I don't care if it's there, or if it is, if it's very rough 11:20 SpaceLibrarian_home just to show a commitment to hosting... but it would just illustrate prepareness 11:20 Brooke_ as in we expect this to cost $X-$Z per participant with $Y sponsored 11:20 SpaceLibrarian_home roughly yes. Hence the question mark next to it. 11:20 Brooke_ or hey we have a quote from this hotel that will stand by this range in pricing 11:21 SpaceLibrarian_home and conference facilities may roughly cost x 11:21 Brooke_ exactly the more specific the proposal is, the more likely it is to get my vote abstractly 11:21 SpaceLibrarian_home helps when approaching sponsors 11:21 Brooke_ in reality, there might be other factors, like how hard it hits my wallet that they can't and shouldn't try to control for 11:21 Irma with access to a suitable venue and equipment and internet access 11:21 thd Yes, I asked all those providing proposals this time to give an estimate of the cheapest options for accommodation to help people decide. 11:21 * SpaceLibrarian_home nods 11:22 Brooke_ the short list to me is more of a mechanism to judge interest 11:22 Brooke_ as in Hey, we'd like to host, would you like to come? 11:22 * SpaceLibrarian_home likes that idea too 11:23 Brooke_ while the time between conference and the IRC meeting would be the 11th hour to get your proposal in tip top voting shape 11:23 SpaceLibrarian_home and you could use the conference to pitch as well 11:23 thd Brooke_ Do you mean a short list largely suggested by whomever proposes to host. 11:23 thd ? 11:23 Brooke_ pretty much thd 11:23 SpaceLibrarian_home that could be a long shortlist. 11:23 SpaceLibrarian_home or a very short one 11:23 Brooke_ it *could* be 11:23 conan are you still talking about kohacon2012 ? 11:24 Brooke_ but I don't think we're at the part where it will be 11:24 SpaceLibrarian_home yep 11:24 SpaceLibrarian_home not yet 11:24 Brooke_ I think we're talking bout 2012 and beyond Conan 11:24 Irma So each of us keen to attend can compare the costs involved depending on the pproposed hosts location etc. 11:24 Brooke_ this happens a lot because we're planning deprived :P 11:24 * SpaceLibrarian_home likes planning too much, but isn't volunteering anything. yet. 11:24 conan why do you want to decide now the place for 2012 conf, shouldn't you wait until 2011 is finished? 11:25 Brooke_ we aren't deciding yet 11:25 Irma Sydney to Nepal was more costly than to India in airfares alone. 11:25 conan I know 11:25 thd I suggest that we move the discussion to the mailing list and the wiki page which Brooke_ started. 11:25 SpaceLibrarian_home we were saying, suggest a shortlist of 2012 at the end of the 2011 conf 11:25 Brooke_ we're trying to get things sorted to make things easier later 11:25 conan just sharing my experience in making conferences here in Argentina 11:26 Brooke_ did anyone else hear that Argentina is interested in hosting? ;) 11:26 Irma KohaCon2012 in Argentina couldbe nice ;-) 11:26 SpaceLibrarian_home I did... 11:26 conan we started a tradition some years ago, at the end of one convention, we hear the offers 11:26 * Brooke_ is truly evil. 11:26 conan for the next one 11:26 SpaceLibrarian_home that was what we've just bandied about.... 11:26 SpaceLibrarian_home :) 11:27 * SpaceLibrarian_home does like the prospect of Argentina 2012 though.... 11:27 Irma South America could be a *priority* 11:27 conan :P 11:27 conan think 2013 better 11:27 Brooke_ I concur Irma 11:27 SpaceLibrarian_home + 11:27 Brooke_ <--- not neutral at all 11:27 SpaceLibrarian_home <----neither 11:28 Irma 2011 Mumbai, 2012 Norway, 2013 Argentina ... ? 11:28 SpaceLibrarian_home has a nice ring to it 11:28 Brooke_ Think we might be talked out a wee bit, but I think this horse is well worth discussing in future and certainly on the wiki 11:28 conan there you have your shorlist 11:28 SpaceLibrarian_home :) 11:28 SpaceLibrarian_home That was easy. 11:29 Brooke_ so 11:29 Brooke_ #topic time and date of next meeting 11:29 Irma just having fun dreaming 11:29 conan do you have some conference guide? that should help getting proposals 11:29 Brooke_ nope 11:29 Brooke_ but we're getting a good body of past conference stuff 11:29 Irma date: 4 May? 11:30 conan then it would be a nice suggestion to make for current hosts 11:30 SpaceLibrarian_home 4 May looks good. Any objections? 11:30 thd Are we missing an agenda item for old business? 11:30 Brooke_ it's right after the KUDOS conference, but that's *after* so no 11:30 Irma Does this starting time suit NZers? 11:30 jwagner It may be a problem for people traveling back from KUDOS on May 4 11:31 SpaceLibrarian_home -8 hours? 11:31 Irma good point! 11:31 SpaceLibrarian_home so 2pm kiwi/12pm aussie? 11:31 Irma 2pm Kiwi is Noon in Sydney 11:32 SpaceLibrarian_home that's what I said 11:32 SpaceLibrarian_home :) 11:32 Brooke_ all in favour of hosing Europe 11:33 SpaceLibrarian_home lol 11:33 thd I have no previous meeting action items to bring up but we should look at them to help us follow through. 11:33 jwagner Can we push to either Thursday May 5, or the following Wednesday? 11:33 SpaceLibrarian_home pends on the time 11:34 Irma SpaceLibrarian_home New Zealanders are ahead of us but we dont like to talk about it too much! 11:34 SpaceLibrarian_home Irma: I lived in thr ACT for 3 years, I'm wired to both timezones 11:34 SpaceLibrarian_home the* 11:34 Irma May 5 is fine for CALYX 11:35 SpaceLibrarian_home should be fine for the kiwis... one of us will be online, time pending. 11:35 Brooke_ K 11:35 Brooke_ as long as Friday would work elsewhere. 11:35 thd I suggest that the following week would be better in respect of the KUDOS meeting. 11:35 Irma May 11? 11:35 * magnuse does not think norway will be ready to host kohacon in 2012, sadly... 11:36 SpaceLibrarian_home what time? 11:36 wahanui it has been said that time is a scary thing 11:36 jwagner Wednesday, May 11 would be preferable for me 11:37 Brooke_ I believe we're hosing Europe 11:37 Brooke_ so 11:37 Brooke_ 2AM UTC was the proposal albeit on a diff dayh 11:37 SpaceLibrarian_home 2am UTC? 11:37 SpaceLibrarian_home hehehe 11:37 * Brooke_ suspects that MJ will be egging her flat... 11:37 SpaceLibrarian_home we've endured 6am and 10pm here now. 11:38 Irma magnuse : sadly x2 11:38 SpaceLibrarian_home they can deal 11:38 Brooke_ 2 UTC 11 May sound right all? 11:38 SpaceLibrarian_home + 11:38 gmcharlt staying up late instead of getting up early ++ 11:38 Brooke_ #action 2 UTC 11 May next general meeting someone send a remindah 11:39 jwagner If I'm reading the timezone converter right, that would be 10:00 PM on Tues May 10 for US Eastern zone 11:39 SpaceLibrarian_home sounds right 11:39 Brooke_ #endmeeting 11:39 huginn Meeting ended Wed Apr 6 11:40:26 2011 UTC. 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(v 0.1.4) 11:39 huginn Minutes: http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-04-06-10.14.html 11:39 huginn Minutes (text): http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-04-06-10.14.txt 11:39 huginn Log: http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-04-06-10.14.log.html 11:39 Irma Keep up the good work hackers in Marseilles @ BibLibre :-) 11:39 Brooke_ indeed! 11:39 thd Who does 2 UTC help as a time? 11:39 SpaceLibrarian_home yes! 11:40 Brooke_ kiwis 11:40 SpaceLibrarian_home NZ, Australia, India.. 11:40 SpaceLibrarian_home US West coast 11:40 thd Is circa 19.00 very bad for NZ? 11:40 Brooke_ it's always bad for someone, hence the -8 or +8 rotation 11:40 Irma Perhaps for Chris as he has small children ... 11:41 SpaceLibrarian_home yep 11:41 Irma better for NZ from 9PM I suppose 11:42 SpaceLibrarian_home we were lucky with daylight savings ending, or it would have been 11pm for us today 11:42 thd Does 2 UTC not guarantee no participation from Europe? 11:42 Brooke_ one tiny drawback of international collaboration 11:43 Brooke_ it substantially decreases the liklihood 11:43 SpaceLibrarian_home it'll be during daylight hours for europe soon enough 11:43 Brooke_ just like 6am is not a pleasant hour for yanks 11:43 SpaceLibrarian_home or kiwis 11:43 Irma is hdl still online? 11:43 Brooke_ Irma he's prolly in a pizza coma 11:43 thd Can we avoid a time which guarantees no participation from a continent? 11:43 Brooke_ so ask him for stuff 11:43 Brooke_ it isn't possible thd 11:44 SpaceLibrarian_home there will be europeans online then. 11:44 * thd has not done the calculation. 11:44 SpaceLibrarian_home there usually are... 11:44 hdl Irma: ? 11:44 * thd will always poke himself awake but hopes that there will be as many others as possible. 11:44 cait @later tell rangi: alert strings not picket up by translation tool 11:44 huginn cait: The operation succeeded. 11:45 Irma what is a good time for an IRC meeting for BibLibre and others in France/ 11:45 Irma ? 11:45 SpaceLibrarian_home 2UTC is what? midnight in France? 11:46 Irma and UK? 11:46 wahanui i think UK is still in 11:46 magnuse 4am 11:46 magnuse http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?year=2011&month=5&day=11&hour=2&min=0&sec=0 11:46 * magnuse will definitely miss out 11:46 Brooke_ but they did get a cherry of a time today 11:46 SpaceLibrarian_home yes they did 11:46 thd hdl: We are about to choose 2 UTC so please suggest something which may help NZ but hurt Europe less. 11:46 magnuse yes we did 11:46 SpaceLibrarian_home all's fair in love and timezones 11:47 SpaceLibrarian_home and somebody deciuded on +/-8 a few meetings ago. where was the issue then? 11:47 hdl 20PM 11:47 hdl 4AM 11:48 hdl 8AM 11:48 thd SpaceLibrarian_home: I do not remember that rotating forward be 8 hours had been other than proposed without agreement. 11:48 thd s/be/by/ 11:48 SpaceLibrarian_home it came up last meeting too 11:48 magnuse time to count signoffs in marseille 11:48 SpaceLibrarian_home I don't know who proposed it 11:49 gmcharlt given the reality that interest in Koha spans nearly all 24 timezones, *somebody* is going to end up having to deal with an inconvenient time 11:49 SpaceLibrarian_home yes 11:49 magnuse paul_p from yesterday: http://www.flickr.com/photos/enger/5594123275/in/photostream/ 11:49 Brooke_ that's a nice peach 11:49 SpaceLibrarian_home nz has now had a 6am and 10pm. Surely we can get a cherry of a time 11:49 jwagner So have we agreed on Wednesday, May 11 2:00 UTC? 11:49 thd I think that some options eliminate some participation without gaining more participation. 11:50 SpaceLibrarian_home meh 11:50 Brooke_ thd which will always happen 11:50 SpaceLibrarian_home magnuse: nice post-it notes 11:51 thd Brooke_: Eliminating participation becouse of time should be offset by a gain in participation. 11:51 SpaceLibrarian_home 2UTC, may 5 sounds good here. 11:51 Brooke_ thd no a fair system 11:51 Brooke_ namely + -8 should be instituted then stuck with 11:51 Brooke_ so we're not in an endless cycle of bickering over times 11:51 gmcharlt thd: you are seem to implicitly assuming that there are time zones that are incapable of producing meaningful participatin 11:51 gmcharlt why? 11:51 Brooke_ I don't care if the rotation is + -6 or whathave you 11:52 Brooke_ just as long as things move about 11:52 Brooke_ so that eventually everyone gets a cherry of a time 11:52 * SpaceLibrarian_home agrees with Brooke 11:52 Brooke_ it's just not fair to perpetually hose kiwis or anyone else 11:52 Oak hi Brooke_ 11:52 thd Brooke_: Yes, there is no fair system except that there may be some times which would be unfair to everyone and thus not helpful. 11:52 Brooke_ 2 utc is unfair to europe, not everyone 11:53 * jwagner would just like to get a decision now on the next meeting so I can go get some work done.... 11:53 jwagner Wednesday, May 11 2:00 UTC was the proposed time. 11:53 gmcharlt Brooke_: shall we call a vote on this and be done? 11:53 SpaceLibrarian_home and was tabled in the meeting 11:53 jwagner Can we either propose a different time or vote on this one? 11:53 Brooke_ I called a vote and ended a meeting a good half hour back gmcharlt 11:53 thd hdl: Do you have any alternative or better analysis. 11:53 thd ? 11:54 SpaceLibrarian_home and 2UTC was set 11:54 gmcharlt Brooke_: in which case, the issue is settled. why are we still discussing it? 11:54 SpaceLibrarian_home there is an objection to the time 11:54 gmcharlt thd: I suggest taking this to the mailing list if you have a problem 11:54 Brooke_ an objection does not mean that all are opposed 11:55 Brooke_ and frankly 11:55 thd gmcharlt: Only because I did not recognise a vote and thought that we were breaking with carefully worked out practise. 11:55 Brooke_ the whole + - 8 was decided a while back 11:55 SpaceLibrarian_home + 11:55 thd Brooke_: That is what I disputed. 11:56 thd Brooke_: I thought that had not been agreed when raised. 11:57 thd Unfortunately, I am not awake enough to verify or correct myself. 11:57 Brooke_ fair warning was given that I'm a tyrant at this hour :P 11:57 SpaceLibrarian_home thd: will it be the end of the world if you miss one meeting? 11:57 Irma I propose I go over all the other IRC general Koha meeting times and create a table so that we get an overview and see the times most often chosen in the past. Would that be helpful? 11:57 SpaceLibrarian_home And Brooke_ did disclaim herself before the meeting... 11:57 thd I will not miss the meeting. 11:57 SpaceLibrarian_home Irma: brilliant idea 11:58 Irma Time to close the show folks ... 11:58 thd I agree that if I find a problem I can raise the issue on the mailing list. 11:58 SpaceLibrarian_home yep. midnight here. I need to sleep in order to work. 11:58 jwagner Or put an agenda item on the next meeting 11:58 jwagner Good night, NZ'ers 11:58 SpaceLibrarian_home ciao 11:58 thd All times are OK with me personally. 11:59 Irma Wjat not confirm the date of May 11 and confirm the time after the table is done and analysed... 11:59 Irma *Why 11:59 Brooke_ fine by me 11:59 SpaceLibrarian_home yeah, why not? 11:59 Brooke_ just have whatever needs doing done by a week or so 11:59 Brooke_ with it in mind that we gave Europe a good time 11:59 SpaceLibrarian_home yes 11:59 Brooke_ and haven't given NZ a good one in recent memory 11:59 Irma will do it before going to bed if the info is available ... 12:00 SpaceLibrarian_home is it on koha-wiki? 12:00 Brooke_ in theory 12:00 Brooke_ that's a good chunk 12:00 Brooke_ if not all 12:00 gmcharlt at the very least, ever since the new wiki was started 12:01 gmcharlt not sure how far people have backfilled past meetings 12:01 SpaceLibrarian_home http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Meetings 12:01 SpaceLibrarian_home they're all logged, at least 12:01 gmcharlt ah, pretty far 12:01 Irma OK will C what I find and let you know Brooke to then confirm time of next meeting 12:01 Brooke_ send it out to the list 12:01 Brooke_ cause I don't matter 12:02 Irma Brooke ok and thanks for chairing the meeting :-) 12:02 gmcharlt Brooke_++ 12:02 SpaceLibrarian_home thanks Brooke_ 12:02 Brooke_ pfah I do a better jorb when I'm prepared 12:02 thd Sorry, I am actually not trying to undue anything which has just been concluded. 12:03 * Irma close to saying G'night/day all 12:03 gmcharlt Irma: good night :) 12:03 * SpaceLibrarian_home ditto 12:03 thd good night Irma. 12:03 Brooke_ night Irma :) 12:04 Irma Zzzz nearly (but will make that table first) 12:04 thd If people in Europe really objected they should be awake enough at this hour to give their objections. 12:07 thd I merely speculate that there may be some times which are maximally suboptimal for almost everyone, and those times should be avoided. 12:07 gmcharlt thd: and I think that's the thing - they're certainly capable of voicing their objections at the time the proposal was made; if they didn't, they didn't necessarily need somebody to come in after the fact to object on their behalf 12:07 thd gmcharlt: agreed 12:08 Brooke_ http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?month=5&day=11&year=2011&p1=264&p2=179&p3=195&p4=44 12:08 jcamins gmcharlt: since you're here, I need some advice. 12:08 jcamins The meeting *is* over, right? 12:08 gmcharlt jcamins: yep :) what's up? 12:08 Brooke_ looks like 12 is good in theory 12:08 thd gmcharlt: They may have had some customary expectations and lost attention. 12:08 jcamins I'm looking at bug 5683. Again. 12:08 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5683 critical, P1, ---, jcamins, REOPENED, link_bibs_to_authorities.pl can corrupt records 12:09 jcamins I have put in a check to confirm that we have valid subfields, and, if we don't, delete the field. 12:10 jcamins However, we have copy-pasted the exact same code in three places in C4::Charset. 12:10 jcamins And I'm wondering if that's something I should be fixing, and, if the answer is "yes", where the utility function should go. 12:11 * Brooke_ is going to entertain the breakfast proposal before her. 12:13 gmcharlt jcamins: well, stripping datafields without subfields is worth a utility function 12:13 gmcharlt though I wonder where they're coming from 12:13 jcamins In this case, link_bibs_to_authorities. 12:13 hdl will it go into MARC::Record ? 12:13 jcamins hdl: should it? 12:13 jcamins You tell me. :) 12:13 gmcharlt if it's from the bib editor, such a routine should be first invoked in AddBiblio and ModBiblio 12:14 gmcharlt jcamins: you say it's coming from link_bibs_to_authorities, but answer me this: where are the datafields that *only* have a $9 coming from? 12:14 hdl Well I think that the more robust MARC::Record is, the better it will be for all. 12:14 jcamins Oh, those are coming from catalogers erasing the subfield a, I think. 12:14 gmcharlt tell them to don't do that then ;) 12:15 jcamins Yeah, I have. 12:15 gmcharlt but seriously, that's something that *first* needs to be caught in addbiblio.pl 12:15 jcamins Okay, so specifically catch the subfield $9 only issue? 12:15 jcamins Good idea. 12:16 gmcharlt as far as MARC::Record is concerned, it's easy enough to have it throw an exception if you try to save a MARC::Field that has no subfields 12:17 gmcharlt or, perhaps, silently drop fields that have no subfields when serializing 12:17 jcamins That would be the ideal behavior, I think. 12:17 jcamins Our error handling in C4 leaves... something to be desired. 12:18 frido :P good pizzas 12:18 gmcharlt frido: I dunno, good pizzas is a bit much to expect of any error-handling system ;) 12:18 * jcamins has that, thanks to a frenzy of pizza baking two days ago. 12:19 gmcharlt ERRDROPDOUGHONTHEFLOORWHILETRYINGTOSPINIT 12:19 jcamins :) 12:23 pastebot0 "jcamins" at 208.120.0.116 pasted "Proposed fix" (7 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/198 12:23 hdl fredericd: around ? 12:23 jcamins With that, touch_all_bibs should do the trick. 12:23 hdl Do you have any problems on Template::Toolkit with language selection ? 12:27 jcamins gmcharlt: does that seem a reasonable solution? 12:28 jcamins It would also be good if MARC::Record removed those fields. 12:28 gmcharlt jcamins: as a patch to AddBiblio, I assume? 12:28 jcamins gmcharlt: oh, you're the maintainer. :) 12:28 gmcharlt looks OK 12:28 jcamins ModBiblio. 12:28 gmcharlt right, ModBiblio 12:29 jcamins That's the lowest common denominator... as far as I can tell, everything goes through ModBiblio. 12:29 gmcharlt jcamins: yep, and as maintainer, patches welcome ;) 12:32 oleonard Hooray, colin is looking at Bug 5529 12:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5529 normal, P5, ---, colin.campbell, ASSIGNED, Staff client shows "Your lists:" and "public lists:" when there are none 12:33 Irma gmcharlt To be fair to the members of the US Koha community, which city should I use http://www.timeanddate.com ? 12:34 Irma out of the options of the US cities? 12:35 jcamins Irma: New York. :P 12:36 Irma Beaut!! Thanks jcamins :-) 12:36 * jcamins lives in New York, so possibly his suggestion can't be trusted 12:36 gmcharlt Irma: heh; Chicago or Boulder would be more central 12:36 gmcharlt the two hubs of Koha dev activity are east coast and west coast, so Chicago would split the difference 12:37 jcamins So everyone will be confused. 12:37 hdl gmcharlt: remove items under testing. 12:37 gmcharlt hdl++ 12:37 Irma Chicago is where one of my sisters lives. So Chicago is the one. Thanks and bonsoir :-) 12:39 jcamins gmcharlt: any idea where to patch MARC::Record? 12:39 jcamins The logical place would be in delete_subfield, but that doesn't work because you don't have the Record object. 12:40 gmcharlt jcamins: initially, I think as a utility method in MARC::Record 12:40 gmcharlt ->strip_empty_fields(), for example 12:44 jcamins Hm. I'll have to work on this. 12:46 magnuse kia ora sekjal! 12:46 sekjal morning, magnuse! 12:48 oleonard hdl: I just saw your question about jqueryUI in the logs. I didn't get the @later because I'm oleonard instead of owen 12:48 oleonard hdl: I have a work in progress branch with jqueryUI stuff but it isn't complete 12:48 hdl fhi all 12:48 hdl hi owen. 12:49 hdl Yeah, i have seen that. 12:49 jcamins hdl: do you know anything about bug 5965 by any chance? 12:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5965 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, RESOLVED FIXED, Make sure opac-detail.pl outputs marc in utf-8 12:49 hdl I was asking about that because I searched jeditable and datepicker 12:50 hdl I thought i would have to use a ui datepicker 12:51 hdl jcamins: yes. I know 12:51 hdl I did that SetUTF8Flag 12:52 jcamins hdl: good, then you're just the person I want to talk to. 12:52 jcamins Do you know why SetUTF8Flag had to be called directly from opac-detail? 12:52 oleonard hdl: My plan was to make the jqueryUI switch all at once and get rid of YUI js altogether. The other option is to add jqueryUI and keep YUI until we can be done with it. 12:52 oleonard I was hoping we wouldn't have to add the jqueryUI dependencies on top of the already-large YUI ones. 12:53 oleonard Right now I'm still waiting on a good jqueryUI-native menu replacement 12:53 hdl oleonard: the longer we work on a branch, the more conflict we get... belive me. 12:53 oleonard hdl: I'm keeping it up to date. 12:53 oleonard I'm resolving conflicts frequently. 12:53 hdl cool 12:54 hdl oleonard: is there no jqueryUI native menu ? 12:54 oleonard Not yet 12:55 oleonard http://blog.jqueryui.com/2010/06/jquery-ui-19m2-menu/ 12:55 hdl jcamins: i chose to use that in *.pl rather than in C4::Biblio. because it could have been quite ressource demanding for migrations and so on. 12:56 oleonard That post about UI 1.9 Milestone 2 was in June 2010. I really thought we'd have it by now. 12:56 jcamins hdl: I see. 12:56 oleonard Also: http://wiki.jqueryui.com/w/page/12137997/Menu 12:56 jcamins hdl: but we call SetUTF8Flag every time we call ModBiblio. 12:57 hdl though every time you need to edit a record, one has to check for correct encoding before manipulating. 12:57 jcamins Ah. 12:57 hdl This is related to a message I sent on perl4lib months ago. 12:58 hdl For UNIMARC, the UTF8 Flag is not set when editing a utf8 data. 12:58 hdl since the encoding code is in 100$a and not in label 13:04 * oleonard realizes he missed another meeting. 13:04 * oleonard would have missed it even if he had remembered it. 13:04 oleonard These 10:00 UTC+0 meetings are the worst for my schedule! 13:05 hdl what time is it for you ? 4AM ? 13:06 jwagner 6:00 AM US Eastern, after the time change -- was 5:00 AM before 13:06 oleonard 6AM, but that's not the hard part. The problem is I'm getting my kids ready for school then 13:10 hdl oleonard: so would I 13:11 gmcharlt oleonard: get them hacking on Koha and convince the school to call it an in-house field trip ;) 13:11 oleonard gmcharlt: Or I could fill the tub with milk and cereal and lock them in the bathroom. 13:12 gmcharlt oleonard: heh. shall I contribute free kittens to the cause? 13:12 gmcharlt and espresso? 13:13 gmcharlt @quote add <oleonard> gmcharlt: Or I could fill the tub with milk and cereal and lock them in the bathroom. 13:13 huginn gmcharlt: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 13:13 hdl jcamins: http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/UTF-8-problems-a-summary-and-some-solutions-td3064338.html 13:13 oleonard My four year old would probably drink the espresso. He likes coffee. 13:13 gmcharlt @quote add <oleonard> gmcharlt: Or I could fill the tub with milk and cereal and lock them in the bathroom. 13:13 huginn gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. Quote #125 added. 13:14 oleonard I'm going to be explaining that one for quite a while. 13:27 oleonard cait: I'm surprised at how many alert()'s aren't properly escaped for translation. I try to fix every one I see. 13:29 jcamins Does anyone know how to add a test? 13:29 clrh oleonard: hi could you confirm that master does not need http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5138 and so it could be closed? 13:29 huginn 04Bug 5138: normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, Erroneous display for OPACShelfBrowser with GoogleJackets enabled 13:31 jcamins In particular, I want a test that will alert us if calling ModBiblio with problematic data dies or not. 13:31 oleonard clrh: That bug was specific to 3.0.x, so if we're closing 3.0.x bugs now then yes it can be closed. 13:31 jcamins Without killing the test, because that would be bad. 13:31 clrh thanks oleonard 13:32 gmcharlt jcamins: you can wrap the test in an eval{ } and catch an exception 13:42 oleonard Hi druthb 13:42 druthb hi, oleonard! :) 13:48 pastebot0 "jcamins" at 208.120.0.116 pasted "gmcharlt: is this the right way to do the tests?" (26 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/199 13:49 gmcharlt jcamins: it's OK, but catching the actual exception so that it can be presented in a diag() would be even better 13:49 jcamins Could you give me an example? I'm not sure how to do either of those things. 13:51 gmcharlt eval { # stuff }; if ($@) { # we've failed! horrors; diag($@); fail(...) } else { ok(...) } 13:51 jcamins I see. 13:51 jcamins Thanks! 13:52 slef hi all. Bad day yesterday and a calendar error on my part. Now reading meeting log. 13:53 slef erm, is there a meeting log? 13:57 slef finally found http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-04-06-10.14.html in the logs 13:57 slef linking from http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_Meeting,_6_April_2011 14:04 pastebot0 "jcamins" at 208.120.0.116 pasted "gmcharlt: revised tests- better?" (33 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/200 14:05 gmcharlt jcamins: yes (assuming they operate as expected when you test the test cases, of course) 14:05 jcamins They do. 14:05 cait oleonard: I am running a script at the moment to find all of them - mark helped me to do it 14:05 cait mark++ 14:06 cait so I hope I will be able to fix most of the alert things before string freeze 14:06 * druthb is gonna find a place for a comment "# horrors!" in her code. Somewhere. Someday. 14:07 gmcharlt druthb: sed -i 's/FIXME/horrors!/g', perhaps? 14:07 druthb Do not tempt me to sumbit a patch that does that to the entire Kohoa codebase, gmcharlt. Do not tempt me in that fashion. 14:08 * druthb is in a funky mood, and cannot spell today. She has the dumb. 14:08 gmcharlt :) 14:10 oleonard How about a script that files a new bug for every FIXME in the Koha codebase? 14:10 * druthb picks up the Dunce Hat, and puts it on. It does not match her frilly blouse, but c'est la vie. 14:10 gmcharlt druthb: I dunno, I'm rather enjoying my perch on your left shoulder ;) 14:12 clrh Could someone brief me about unit test in community version? I am testing 'manually' bug 5579 but maybe there is something wich already exists 14:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5579 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED, Remove items from biblioitems.marcxml 14:13 gmcharlt clrh: regretable, there aren't at present 14:13 gmcharlt if you want to write some as part of testing that bug 14:13 gmcharlt things to check for include 14:13 gmcharlt (a) fetched bib has no item tags 14:14 gmcharlt (b) EmbedItemsInBiblios adds the appropriate number of item tags 14:14 gmcharlt (c) EmbedItemsInBiblios behaves correctly if fields (such as the call number) contain non-ASCII characters 14:15 jcamins Good news, Biblibre-ans! There are another two patches you could sign off on if you so desired. 14:15 jcamins :D 14:15 cait jcamins: grrr ;) 14:15 clrh ok gmcharlt I don't know if I do it know or not 14:16 cait almost all of the marzipan is gone... 14:16 gmcharlt cait: to what address do we send the emergency shipment? ;) 14:16 * jcamins sends cinnamon bread 14:16 cait I think biblibre hq will be ok ;) 14:16 * oleonard curses these non-filling virtual foods 14:17 cait $("#uploadfile").submit(function(){ 14:17 cait alert("Hey!"); 14:17 cait ? 14:17 cait Hey? 14:18 jcamins Hey! 14:18 * oleonard curses his stray debugging cruft 14:18 oleonard cait: Sorry about that, please delete the $("#uploadfile"){ block 14:19 cait I am already in the next file, will try to remember later 14:21 cait and don't worry, it was funny :) 14:21 oleonard cait: I started to send a patch this morning because I spotted it too when looking at alert() messages 14:21 oleonard Then I figured you might be working on that bug 14:22 cait ah 14:22 cait yeah, starting right now 14:22 cait will need a bit of testing though 14:22 cait make sure I have no syntax errors 14:22 oleonard cait: Don't forget to assign the bug to yourself 14:22 cait if (confirm('Do you really want to import the framework fields/subfields (will overwrite current configuration, for safety reasons please make before an export to have a backup file)?')) { 14:22 cait what bout this? 14:34 magnuse kia ora wizzyrea! 14:35 druthb hi, wizzyrea! 14:35 wizzyrea Hallo magnuse 14:35 wizzyrea hi druthb :D 14:36 wizzyrea how is everybody today 14:39 cait hi wizzyrea 14:39 wizzyrea guten tag, cait :D 14:41 hdl wizzyrea YAY 14:41 magnuse wizzyrea: full of delicious french pizza! 14:41 wizzyrea yay? 14:41 wizzyrea Ooooo 14:41 wizzyrea luckies! 14:42 hdl just deliriously pleased to work with so many ppl... Even coping with the toughest things seem light 14:42 wizzyrea :D 14:42 hdl And pleased to see you 14:45 cait very delicious pizza, indeed 14:45 slef mail me some :) 14:46 slef in random other news, I was re-elected to the village council (= part of the reason I'm not in France this week) 14:46 wizzyrea congratulations slef! 14:46 druthb congratulations, slef! :) 14:46 magnuse congrats, slef! 14:46 wizzyrea that's really great, can I come live in your village? 14:46 gmcharlt slef++ 14:47 slef wizzyrea: heh, probably... they're building more houses here now 14:47 magnuse the coop village? ;-) 14:47 slef wizzyrea: http://www.kewstoke.org/ although it doesn't reflect latest changes 14:47 slef magnuse: heh, no. More coopish than some places, but still pretty conservative. 14:48 magnuse slef: you can do it! ;-) 14:48 slef I'm pondering standing for uk.coop now, as a glutton for election punishment. That'll be more challenging. 14:48 slef magnuse: when are you in France until? 14:50 magnuse slef: plane leaves at 5pm something on friday, will make my way to the airport after lunch, methinks - with cait 14:51 cait with_cait++ 14:51 * oleonard is jealous of the bug-wrangling party 14:52 slef magnuse: can you sit on hdl tomorrow until he End-Of-Life-s 3.0? 14:52 * slef incentivizes volunteer action 14:52 magnuse oleonard: naa-na-naa-na-naaa-na 14:52 slef ok, I think I've calendared the next koha general meeting correctly and not in 2010 :-/ 14:52 cait magnuse is so mean... :P 14:53 magnuse slef: there is a rumour i might not even have to sit on him... ;-) 14:53 slef trust me to get it wrong for a meeting when a reminder is forgotten! 14:53 slef or at least, I didn't see a reminder 14:54 cait we almost forgot about the meeting here too 15:00 slef arf! 15:00 wizzyrea bow wow? 15:20 magnuse hiya NateC - still planning your wedding, or have i missed it? 15:21 NateC nope we are still at it 15:21 NateC and at it and at it and at it.... 15:21 magnuse hehe 15:21 NateC the things you do for love... 15:21 magnuse decided on a date at least? 15:22 NateC yep 15:22 NateC 9/10/11 15:23 druthb hopefully, you'll be able to remember anniversary that way, Nate. 15:23 NateC easy to remember anniversaries ;) 15:23 NateC ha you beat me to that one! 15:24 oleonard We had our anniversary engraved inside our wedding rings. 15:24 oleonard We both forget most years anyway :) 15:25 NateC thats a great idea too! 15:25 gmcharlt we have a picture above our bed that includes our anniversary date 15:26 magnuse i have the date inside my ring, but i can't get the ring off any longer... ;-) 15:27 clrh we are going to drink pastis jsut after the end of day point - you're welcome hackfesters 15:27 * jcamins doesn't have any clever way to remember his anniversary. 15:27 slef teehee froggies quitting early 15:27 slef ;-) 15:28 * magnuse thinks there is a time difference... 15:29 * oleonard has always wanted to try pastis after reading Asterix and the Banquet 15:30 * oleonard didn't have the benefit of Wikipedia for Latin translation when he was reading Asterix as a kid 15:31 * oleonard should go back and look them up 15:39 slef quite a lot of patches and patch discussion in March... I think it's taking more days to email in the backlinks (at 10 bugs/day)... it would be great if someone could install the missing Math module on bugzilla too 15:40 gmcharlt slef: link to the module you mean, please? 15:44 frido byby 15:46 slef gmcharlt: bug 5822 15:46 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5822 normal, P1, ---, chris, NEW, Missing perl module Math::Random::ISAAC for upgraded bugzilla 15:47 gmcharlt slef: thanks 15:48 magnuse au revoir, #koha 15:51 gmcharlt slef: installed 15:57 slef gmcharlt: thanks! I'll see if it works tomorrow :) 15:57 slef (= no error email back for each bug updated by email) 16:00 rhcl_meeting did a list of all the koha libraries ever get posted to koha-community? 16:01 slef who by? 16:06 tcohen hi, i was reading bug 6084 16:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6084 normal, P5, ---, katrin.fischer, NEW, Missing translation markers in javascript alert messages 16:06 tcohen and came into a question: how should this case be handled?: 16:06 tcohen alert("Please select only one <!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="label_element" --> to " + op + "."); 16:07 tcohen is ok?: alert(_("Please select only one <!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="label_element" --> to " + op + ".")); 16:08 gmcharlt tcohen: that risks a translator taking the template marker out by mistake 16:08 tcohen exactly 16:08 tcohen but... 16:08 gmcharlt alert(_('Please elect only one ') + '<!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="label_element" -->' + _(' to ') ... 16:08 tcohen expresions are structured in different ways in each language too 16:09 gmcharlt yes, and that is indeed a problem 16:09 gmcharlt but I think that's the best we can do at the moment without doing a lot more poking at the translator internals 16:09 gmcharlt I could well be mistaken, though 16:10 tcohen ok :-D 16:17 tcohen koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/cataloguing/value_builder/macles.tmpl 16:17 tcohen alert("veuillez d'abord creer le nombre de champs necessaires "); 16:17 tcohen hehehe 16:17 tcohen don't tell me thats english! 16:18 gmcharlt tcohen: it's English from an alternate reality where the Normans were a *lot* more aggressive ;) 16:18 tcohen gmcharlt++ 16:21 paul_p tcohen, in fact, it's a plugin that is usefull only for 1 library, it's guaranteed 100% specific. 16:22 paul_p that's why the template is in french already. The problem being that this french reaches .po :\ 16:28 tcohen commented out comments in javascript code shouldn't be translated, right? 16:29 rhcl1 is that negative recursion? or metacomments? 16:29 ebegin Anybody succeed in installing koha on centos ? 17:43 * chris_n returns from EM training and offers regrets for missing the meeting 17:43 cait hi #koha 17:44 cait I think whatever EM training is, it's probably a better excuse than a big pile of french pizzas 17:44 cait ;) 17:45 chris_n hehe 17:46 chris_n EM = emergency management = local government foo 17:46 * chris_n has way too many hats these days :P 17:46 cait yes, it is a better excuse 17:48 chris_n they did serve donuts and coffee, though 17:49 chris_n so the morning was not a total wash 17:51 slef anthrax donuts? 17:55 chris_n heh.... apparently not... this time at least :) 17:55 chris_n no powdered ones at any rate 17:55 gmcharlt depending on the incubation time ;) 17:56 chris_n well... at least they were good going down 18:10 tcohen how do i install another language for opac/staff on a dev install? 18:11 Brooke_ kia ora! 18:11 tcohen i want to reproduce bug 6085 on my box 18:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6085 blocker, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, Can't Change language both in OPAC and staff client 18:11 druthb join #bywater 18:12 druthb hrmpf/ 18:12 druthb hi, Brooke! 18:12 Brooke_ I don wanna. They're the borg :P 18:12 rangi tcohen: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Installation_of_additional_languages_for_OPAC_and_INTRANET_staff_client#Koha_3.2 18:12 rangi and thank you for looking at that bug 18:13 rangi misc/translator/translate is the script 18:13 rangi then in systempreferences you should see more languages, you can enable them there, and switch on the language picker syspref for the opac 18:13 rangi then you should be in a position to try to reproduce 18:14 * oleonard is installing translations now 18:14 rangi yay 18:16 cait lol 18:16 cait I was going to look at that too 18:16 cait tcohen: thx for the javascript fixes :) 18:16 Brooke_ 4 eyes > 2 18:16 cait I started on that too - but yours are much better! I will try to sign-off on them tomorrow! 18:18 rangi the power of a plea to the devel list 18:18 cait hehe yes 18:19 cait have you seen the patch from mark? 18:19 rangi for? 18:19 tcohen i cannot reproduce 6085 18:19 cait tcohen: I think they were testing the new templates - but not sure 18:19 rangi cait: ill need more info than that, theres only about 10 zillion patches in my mailbox :) 18:19 tcohen i did git checkout origin 18:19 cait rangi: already searching for your bugnumber! 18:19 rangi tcohen: thats worth noting on the bug, and ask for clarification 18:19 cait :p 18:20 rangi it may be they were testing with new/enh/bug_5917 18:20 tcohen we could report a bug "rangi is overloaded" 18:20 rangi hehe 18:21 rangi tcohen: just write create_more_time.pl 18:21 cait bug 5547 18:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5547 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED, A "hidelostitems" option for the staff client 18:21 Brooke_ yeah that's approaching critical. 18:21 Brooke_ I think it's related to "rangi can use more peanut butter" 18:21 cait rangi: how is the flu? 18:21 Brooke_ but I'm not a developer. 18:22 oleonard Bug6085 is "worksforme" 18:22 rangi almost gone 18:22 rangi oleonard: if you have a chance could you try it with new/enh/bug_5917 ? 18:22 rangi ie the new templates 18:22 rangi it may be a bug in there 18:22 oleonard Sure 18:22 rangi thanks 18:24 rangi cait: is that marks first patch? 18:24 rangi he might have just stolen 139th place, claire will have to get 140 now 18:27 oleonard Hm, git fetch is timing out 18:27 tcohen "Can't locate Template.pm" 18:28 rangi apt-get install libtemplate-perl 18:28 rangi tcohen: it'll be added to do the dependencies 18:28 rangi oleonard: thats unhelpful 18:29 tcohen ack 18:29 jwagner Can someone verify Bug 6102? 18:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6102 enhancement, P5, ---, paul.poulain, NEW, Bib record log viewer displaying wrong biblionumber entries 18:29 cait rangi: I think so :) 18:29 cait tcohen: nope 18:29 cait ah, yes, that one is about templates - but be careful with installed languages and browser settings too 18:30 tcohen rangi: i cannot test using es-ES, auth.tt not found error 18:31 tcohen i guess tmpl_process3.pl wont make it for tt.... :-D 18:31 rangi it should 18:32 tcohen it created the translated templates, but no .tt appears 18:32 rangi hmm that seems like a bug, but it means that they cant have been testing with 5917 then :) 18:33 tcohen i've got to leave right now 18:33 tcohen i'm sorry 18:33 tcohen bye! 18:35 oleonard jwagner: I enabled the cataloging log, edited a record, and viewed the modification log for that title. The biblio number listed in the Object column was correct. 18:37 jwagner But did you test with a pair, like biblio 10 and 100, or 100 and 1000? 18:37 jwagner The problem shows on the smaller number when there are edits on the larger number 18:39 gmcharlt glanced at the code, and ... yeah, it would 18:39 oleonard jwagner: confirmed 18:39 gmcharlt C4::Log::GetLogs is doing ... like '%object_id%' when it's retrieving log entries 18:40 jwagner I looked at that, and it seemed to be passing itemnumber 18:40 gmcharlt right, but if you're looking for (say) biblio 123 18:40 jwagner I may have been looking in the wrong place -- Items.pm GetItem 18:40 gmcharlt the like clause has it search action_logs for rows where object like '%123%' 18:40 gmcharlt C4::Log::GetLogs is the correct spot 18:41 cait gmcharlt: does this make any sense? 18:42 jwagner I uploaded a screenshot which might make it clearer 18:44 gmcharlt cait: no, the current behavior isn't right 18:44 oleonard Bug 6085 seems to be a T:T-related bug. 18:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6085 blocker, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, Can't Change language both in OPAC and staff client 18:44 gmcharlt bug's been present since at least 2007 18:44 jwagner Gotta run now, see you all later. 18:44 cait ouch 18:44 rangi oleonard: thanks for checking, please update the bug saying so, and ill work on fixing it 18:45 rangi oleonard: its most likely something small and annoying like the browser thing 18:45 rangi or path issues 18:45 rangi thanks for confirming its not in master 18:45 rangi now i just have to fix it, so tt can go in master 18:47 oleonard Good excuse to do some more testing of Bug 5917 18:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5917 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Switch Koha to use Template::Toolkit 18:47 rangi thankfully C4/Template.pm is much smaller and less confusing than its previous incarnation 18:47 rangi oleonard: i fixed (i hope) a bunch of stuff in that since you last tested 18:47 rangi and updated the wiki page 18:47 gmcharlt rangi: I could have my cat walk across a keyword and rectify that situation ;) 18:48 oleonard :D 18:48 rangi gmcharlt: did it do that for C4/Search? 18:48 gmcharlt rangi: not one of mine, fortunately :-P 18:49 rangi :) 18:50 rangi reminds me of this old chestnut 18:50 rangi good lord im old 18:50 rangi SunSolve Bug ID: 4256482 18:50 rangi ------------------------- 18:50 rangi Problem: Banging on keyboard during cde startup causes dtwm hang 18:50 rangi Workaround: Don't bang on the keyboard like a wild monkey 18:59 rangi gmcharlt++ 18:59 rangi that was speedy 18:59 gmcharlt what I didn't tell you all that i've been thinking about how to fix that bug every since it was introduced in 2007 18:59 gmcharlt (not really) 18:59 rangi ok kids are awake time to start the routine, be back from the bus in an hour or so 18:59 rangi heh 19:00 oleonard rangi: All the TT OPAC issues I found in my last round of testing are now fixed 19:00 rangi shoulda started a working group on it 19:00 rangi oleonard: yay! 19:00 Brooke_ oleonard++ 19:01 oleonard ...or they might have been if I hadn't realized I switched branches a moment ago 19:01 oleonard oleonard-- 19:01 huginn oleonard: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma. 19:02 * oleonard returns to the drawing board, which he should store under his protective blanket of fear 19:03 oleonard * http://www.pvponline.com/2000/09/06/wed-sep-06/ 19:05 cait1 oleonard: I was going to ask you if you have an idea about the missing pagination for notice triggers 19:06 cait1 we were looking at it , but it seems very complicated because of the tabs in the table 19:07 cait1 if you have more than 10 patron categories you can't add rules for 2 of them 19:07 slef wizzyrea: got a mo? 19:08 oleonard Can't hear you. I'm inside my protective blanket of fear. 19:09 oleonard cait: What's the issue with missing pagination for notice triggers? 19:09 cait sorry, got disconnected again 19:10 cait and waiting for bugzilla to open 19:10 cait it only shows the first 10 categories 19:10 cait and there is no way to page 19:11 oleonard Interesting, so it does. 19:11 cait hm? 19:12 cait bug 5899 19:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5899 critical, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, Missing pagination for notice/overdue triggers 19:12 cait sorry long day 19:15 chris_n cait: even long days do end ;-) 19:15 cait hm 19:15 cait yep, perhaps I should sleep 19:16 chris_n sleep++ 19:16 oleonard It doesn't look like a template bug to me 19:16 cait feel free to reassign 19:17 * oleonard finds a lot of SQL happening in overduerules.pl 19:17 cait I was not sure how the pagination works 19:17 chris_n so long as it does not look like this sort of bug... http://tinyurl.com/n7onj2 19:17 cait and how it could be added in 19:17 * chris_n thinks his cat would have a time with that one 19:18 cait looks like a blocker bug to me :) 19:18 oleonard I wonder if pagination is even appropriate for this page? (assuming all categories could be made to display) 19:20 * oleonard corrects himself, again, because half his patron categories were 'no notice required' 19:22 * oleonard can't add a new patron category 19:22 oleonard categorie.pl: Illegal date specified (year = 0, month = 0, day = 00) at /home/oleonard/kohaclone/admin/categorie.pl line 199 19:23 cait oleonard: this will be fixed bymark's patch sent today :) 19:23 cait it's the one I pointed rangi to ab it earlier 19:23 cait hm, or it's a new bug looking at your error message 19:24 cait and the blocker bug comment was about the picture 19:26 cait better go to sleep 19:26 cait bye all! 19:28 oleonard Okay, cait was right. Today's new patch for bug 5547 fixes my problem with adding categories 19:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5547 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED, A "hidelostitems" option for the staff client 19:29 * oleonard finds, now that he has 11 patron categories, that all are showing on overduerules.pl 19:32 tcohen oleonard, i've found that *tags*.pl files (don't remember right now) have javascript vode inside 19:32 tcohen (the alert/error message is prepared in the .pl file) 19:33 tcohen is it worth filling a bug and submitting a patch? 19:33 tcohen or "if it works don't fix-it"? 19:34 tcohen s/vode/code/ 19:34 oleonard I would like to see what you found if you can locate it again 19:35 tcohen opac-tags.pl 19:36 tcohen output_with_http_headers $input, undef, 19:36 tcohen "window.alert('Your CGI session cookie ($sessid) is not current. " . 19:36 tcohen "Please refresh the page and try again.');\n", 'js'; 19:37 tcohen tags/review.pl too 19:38 oleonard tcohen: I don't think those can be easily resolved. I also think those errors will appear so rarely it's a low priority. 19:39 tcohen oleonard: ok 19:50 tcohen rangi: about bug 5546, the patch posted by jonathan druart is similar to the initial patch / cookies enabled posted first, it just rearranges things so it applies to master again 19:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5546 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, tomascohen, ASSIGNED, Ability to hide MARC documentation links 19:53 rangi tcohen: so safe to push? 19:53 tcohen :-D 19:55 rangi ill try to take a look 19:55 rangi 46 in signed off status 19:55 tcohen take your time rangi 19:57 * rangi is having fun with the biblioitems thread 19:58 rangi using the bus ride to catch up on emails so im ready to go when I get to work 20:00 * jcamins discovers that bug 5868 probably should have been titled "CCL searches do not work for most fields" 20:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5868 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED, Subject indexes do not search most 6xx fields 20:02 rangi I turn off ccl links where I find them 20:05 Waylon Greetings all. On the subject of DNS updates, is updating dns records, a valid method of primary to secondary failover? 20:06 jcamins Waylon: not really a Koha question, but, no. 20:06 jcamins Let me rephrase that. 20:06 tcohen it depends on dns records ttl 20:06 jcamins "Yes, but not for anything that requires a guaranteed quality of service." 20:06 Waylon currently set to 30 minutes. 20:07 Waylon of course, it depends on everyone else's ISP dns cache behaviour? 20:07 Waylon or do they all obey TTL these days? 20:08 tcohen it means people wont have access to your secondary server until that time elapsed 20:08 jcamins Waylon: well, that's the thing. They don't all. They're supposed to, but don't. 20:09 tcohen if you wanted to resist a server failover, i would think of setting apache+mod_proxy or a varnish setup for load balancing 20:09 tcohen varnish or haproxy 20:10 rangi waylon xtra dont 20:10 Waylon whats Xtra set to? 20:10 rangi they ignore ttl 20:10 rangi and do their own 20:10 tcohen you would need to use database for storing sessions 20:10 rangi who knows they'll never tell 20:10 rangi or nginx 20:11 rangi we did that for a site we shifted 20:11 rangi ok bus stop 20:11 tcohen i never used nginx 20:11 rangi bbiab 20:11 tcohen bye! 20:11 rangi tcohen check it out its neat 20:11 Waylon but if the server that has nginx on it, dies, then its still not going to be 100% safe. 20:11 * rangi leaves 20:12 tcohen you're right 20:12 Waylon only surefire way, is a ip address swap, eh? 20:12 tcohen you can have several DNS entries for the same fqdn 20:13 Waylon yes... but if one is down... 50% chance of the client getting the broken ip address? 20:13 Waylon we don't want to loadbalance, since we can't have circular replication. 20:14 Waylon so we'd lose stats, if our backup server gets used. 20:15 Waylon losing stats when the backup server is being used in failover is acceptable. Losing stats all the time, is not. 20:16 tcohen do we use row locks in koha? 20:17 oleonard See you tomorrow #koha 20:17 tcohen bye oleonard 20:17 Waylon Row locks exist in InnoDB. 20:17 Waylon which im converting our db's to, to get quick, no lock, mysqldumps. 20:17 tcohen yes, but i don't know if we use them 20:18 tcohen i think they are stoppers for using a distributed mysql setup 20:18 tcohen (for failover 20:18 tcohen we have a central MySQL server, and several apache front-ends here 20:18 tcohen so got me thinking.... 20:19 Waylon Yes.... but the data entry office is tethered to the net via ADSL. 20:19 tcohen oops 20:19 Waylon So.. not going to be great for entering in biblios. 20:20 tcohen i think you should make an automatic IP change setup for your failover 20:20 Waylon so... we do it speed-independant. replication... office->primary server->backup server 20:21 Waylon yes... but boss is resistant to change. Hes comfortable with Hostgator..... and doesn't want to move to Softlayer, the host of hostgator. 20:21 rangi back 20:38 Waylon is there a webpage that accurately and simply describes the failures of using dns updates as backup procedures? 20:39 Waylon ive been trying to describe it, but whatever i say... doesn't get the point across. 20:43 rangi i could make you one 20:43 rangi it would be called 20:43 rangi wtfdnsisnotforfailover.com 20:43 Waylon haha 20:43 Waylon Brilliant. 20:44 rangi i can tell you for all the mission critical stuff we do at catalyst, electoral roll, .nz etc 20:44 rangi we dont rely on dns updates for DR 20:44 Waylon use ip fallover + mysql replication? 20:45 rangi well we dont use mysql much either 20:45 rangi subsitute postgres in there 20:45 rangi and yep 20:45 Waylon ah. 20:47 rangi hmm i dont understand sheldons question at all 20:47 rangi must need more coffee 20:48 SpaceLibrarian_home_ mmmm coffee... 20:48 jcamins rangi: there is not enough coffee in the world. 20:48 rangi ahh it wasnt just me then ;) 20:48 rangi i feel better 20:48 jcamins I think the issue is that his barcodes don't match what he entered into the system. 20:49 rangi ahhh 21:01 slef boomsheboombedoompy... flame on! 21:02 slef (not on koha lists, don't worry) 21:06 rangi debian? 21:06 wahanui well, debian is what most people use and there are good manuals and even packages for that 21:06 bg @wunder 93109 21:06 huginn bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 18.7�C (2:07 PM PDT on April 06, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 29.93 in 1013.4 hPa (Rising). 21:06 rangi @wunder wellington nz 21:06 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 11.0�C (9:00 AM NZST on April 07, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Rising). 21:07 rangi yuck 21:07 bg that's a slaughter :) 21:07 rangi whats the area code for NOLA? 21:07 rangi zip code or whatever its called ;) 21:08 bg try 70112 21:08 SpaceLibrarian_home_ that's not even the apparent temp in Wellington. ugh. 21:08 bg 70112~70195 21:08 bg @wunder 70190 21:08 huginn bg: The current temperature in Harvey Canal, Harvey, Louisiana is 21.8�C (4:09 PM CDT on April 06, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018.2 hPa (Steady). 21:08 SpaceLibrarian_home_ that's nice there. 21:09 ibeardslee SpaceLibrarian_home_: yeah a bit brrr and damp this morning 21:09 ibeardslee with a gentle breeze 21:09 bg @wunder 70125 21:09 huginn bg: The current temperature in Mid City Station, New Orleans, Louisiana is 24.5�C (4:10 PM CDT on April 06, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 30.08 in 1018.5 hPa (Steady). 21:09 bg that should be the middle of the city 21:11 bg @wunder 70130 21:11 huginn bg: The current temperature in Harvey Canal, Harvey, Louisiana is 21.8�C (4:12 PM CDT on April 06, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018.2 hPa (Steady). 21:18 bg @whoami 21:18 huginn bg: I don't recognize you. 21:18 bg @whoami 21:18 huginn bg: bg 21:18 bg thanks :) 21:21 SpaceLibrarian_home_ right time to brave the brr and the damp, with the gentle breeze... 21:22 jcamins Good night, #koha 21:22 rangi night jcamins 21:25 gmcharlt bg: always a relief to know that somebody knows your name ;) 21:25 bg that's so true :) 21:27 rangi heh 21:27 rangi unless its the IRS 21:27 bg how's things gmcharlt - you finally home? 21:27 gmcharlt bg: yes; been home for days now ;) 21:28 bg that's good - wasn't totally sure I think the last thing I saw was rain where ever you went 22:15 rangi hi ronald 22:15 eythian hello ronald 22:50 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_4276' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b00c36989f2c480263478d358e4fcf670d047331> / Bug 4276 follow-up: quote strings with curly braces <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0f39c4fcc3ff1a5a3d8b7e3866c77febf68d60a3> 22:59 jenkins_koha Starting build 127 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 23:04 eythian new squeeze-dev packages uploaded 23:08 rangi cool 23:09 Waylon a thought... can a whole directory be included... or used, instead of having to call a use statement per module? I'd like to call x() and have x() of every module in that directory, called, and if any module returns 1, return 1. 23:12 eythian Waylon: that sounds like a recipie for disaster, really :) 23:30 Waylon okay, reason. Authentication module plugins without having to alter Koha code. Currently, the koha im maintaining for work, has several additional subs, and calls to those subs from the sub used to authenticate. System supports authentication via virtualhost + referer url, virtualhost + ip address... would like to minimize how much editing of the original koha code id have to do, to maintain git mergabilty. 23:34 eythian You can build a simple plugin system without too much trouble in Perl. 23:34 * eythian looks for an example he did some time ago 23:35 Waylon basically.. would be nice to just need to include the plugin USE and one authenticate() call, just before koha decides to throw a user out. 23:36 eythian http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~eythian/+junk/davros/view/head:/PluginMgr.pm#L204 <-- something like that a useful idea? 23:39 * jcamins_away suggests PAM and goes back to writing a book report 23:39 eythian It's probably a bit overkill for what you need. But the guts of it is that if your plugins are OO, then you can instantiate them given the path, chuck the reference in a hash or array or whatever, and just call it via that. 23:39 eythian PAM would be worth looking at too 23:41 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #127: SUCCESS in 41 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/127/ 23:41 jenkins_koha Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 4276 follow-up: quote strings with curly braces 23:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4276 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED, "Related subjects" search doesn't work with XSLT on and chained subject terms 23:43 Waylon ... can i make a fake LDAP server, and include my authentication methods as the things to check to return to the LDAP plugin of koha? 23:44 eythian It would surely almost be easier to make a real LDAP server, wouldn't it? 23:46 Waylon hmm.. can LDAP handle virtualhost and ip address ranges as authetication instead of username and password? 23:46 eythian I don't know. 23:49 mtj why not just stuff all you code into a C4::AuthUSE file, that gets called once from within C4::Auth 23:49 mtj its poss. only a 2-3 line mod 23:50 Waylon hmm. true.