IRC log for #koha, 2011-04-05

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00:06 huginn New commit(s) kohagit32: Bug 3629 : search limit by group is not OK <[…]30eb2969af95104b1> / Bug 5253: Add options to <[…]104806ef59494a2e9> / Fix for Bug 5833, opacstylesheet not loading on all pages <[…]=commitdiff;h=9cd
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00:15 jenkins_koha Starting build 11 for job Koha_3.2.x (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #9 13 j ago)
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00:51 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed!
00:51 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.2.x build #11: FIXED in 36 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.2.x/11/
00:51 jenkins_koha * Frédérick Capovilla: Bug 5883 : Prevent re-encoding the items if they are already in UTF-8 in ModBiblio.
00:51 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 3098 follow-up: Clean up formatting
00:51 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 5940: Update Patron Help Files
00:51 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5883 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, fcapovilla, RESOLVED FIXED, UTF-8 characters in items (952) get encoded wrong when the record is modified.
00:51 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 5960 : Itemtype icons not showing correctly in staff search results
00:51 jenkins_koha * Ian Walls: Bug 3203: ACCTDETAIL notices don't parse branches or borrowers tokens
00:51 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 5817: Follow-up fixing callnum: on staff results
00:51 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 3326: Staff results still displayed &amp;
00:51 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 4366: Improve COinS support for MARC21
00:51 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3098 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, REOPENED, XSLT stylesheet does not obey OPACURLOpenInNewWindow syspref
00:51 jenkins_koha * Magnus Enger: Bug 4265: Fix padding of short callnumbers and Bib-1 attribute for sorting
00:51 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 5833, opacstylesheet not loading on all pages
00:51 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 5253: Add options to
00:51 jenkins_koha * Paul Poulain: Bug 3629 : search limit by group is not OK
00:51 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5940 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED, Update Help Files for 3.4
00:52 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5960 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, NEW, Itemtype icons not showing in search results
00:52 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3203 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, henridamien, ASSIGNED, Some Letters template variables are not available to certain notice types
00:52 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5817 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, RESOLVED FIXED, Malformed author search link breaks sorting on results page
00:52 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3326 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, RESOLVED FIXED, xml entity refs display incorrectly in results page if exported and indexed as xml
00:52 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4366 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED, COinS support for MARC21
00:52 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4265 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, magnus, ASSIGNED, Sorting by call number in OPAC is slightly off
00:52 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5833 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, opacstylesheet not loading on all pages
00:52 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5253 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, RESOLVED FIXED, does not work with new options (-to, -from, -email, -format)
00:52 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3629 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, NEW, search limit by group is not OK
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01:16 * druthb groans, cries a little, then goes slightly mad.
01:16 * shelley hands druthb a cup of tea
01:16 shelley is now known as space_librarian
01:16 druthb thanx.  :)
01:17 space_librarian sounds like you needed it. :)
01:17 druthb yep.
01:17 druthb Acquisitions data gives me hives.
01:18 ibeardslee ohh bees
01:19 druthb Six interlocking tables, and I can't assume I can carry over their primary keys to their new home--  So I need some embedded keys for the move.  ick.
01:34 rangi ick is right
01:36 * jcamins_away offers druthb some cinnamon bread
01:36 druthb rangi:  Am moving a consortium member *into* a consortial union system.  So I can't keep the primary keys on any of the tables;  have to build my own keys for import.  Ugh.
01:36 druthb thanx, jcamins.
01:37 jcamins_away druthb: and in a little while I'll have bread.
01:37 jcamins_away And sometime soon (I hope) after that, I'll have pizza.
01:37 rangi temporary tables for the win eh?
01:37 druthb something.  I'm yanking the bits out in CSV, to haul to another box...then stuff 'em into tables on the union.
01:38 rangi right
01:39 rangi awesome
01:39 rangi[…]f-elevated-unrest
01:43 druthb I keep hoping that sekjal or larryb will get our happy again, so I can post my whole toolbox out there;  Lotsa goodies in there.
01:45 * jcamins_away too
01:45 * jcamins_away thinks larryb will probably manage to do it with remarkable dispatch
01:45 jcamins_away larryb++
01:45 rangi :)
01:46 rangi once its up and going, you might like to set up the auto mirroring at
01:46 rangi it mirrors koha
01:46 rangi
01:46 space_librarian rangi: I was just jesting about Ruapehu erupting in September, and then realised just how chaotic that would be...
01:47 rangi
01:47 druthb neat service!
01:47 rangi yup
01:47 space_librarian oooh, that is pretty cool.
01:49 * jcamins_away offers druthb some 500-degree semolina sourdough
01:50 druthb hot hot!
01:53 * jcamins_away offers some to rangi and space_librarian, too
01:53 space_librarian oooh nom!
01:54 space_librarian :)
01:59 druthb is now known as data_wrangler
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02:00 * rangi is busy bribing canadian library science students to file bugs
02:01 rangi!/ranginu[…]55083701255680000
02:01 ibeardslee speaking of bribery and students .. and unit tests
02:01 rangi yeah, havent heard anything from them :(
02:02 ibeardslee :( .. something payable for school holidays?
02:05 * jcamins_away registers as a contestant for the 2012 olympics in the individual freestyle pizza-shaping category.
02:06 rangi who knows what match threshold is for, in matching rules?
02:07 druthb If you have a bunch of matchpoints, the threshold is the total score you have to accumulate to call it a match.
02:07 rangi ahh right
02:07 rangi has anyone ever done a matchpoint on biblionumber before?
02:08 * druthb shudders
02:08 rangi hehe
02:09 rangi export some records, monkey with them, load them back in
02:09 rangi is the use case
02:09 rangi ill let you know how it goes :)
02:09 druthb yeah, you could do that.
02:10 jcamins_away rangi: yes.
02:11 jcamins_away Only problem is if you deleted a record in the catalog in between exporting and importing.
02:11 jcamins_away Your stable URLs suddenly get very unstable.
02:11 rangi yep
02:26 * druthb has three of the tables exporting in a tidy more, then bed.  AqOrders will have to wait until the morning; that one is gonna be a bear.
02:34 rangi ahh yeah i find acq then accountlines
02:34 rangi the worst
02:35 druthb I've manage to wrestle accountlines, and even holds with-or-without trapped items.  But this...lordy.
02:38 druthb Oh, lordy.  Baskets...the basketnumber is the key, but I can't assume non-overlapping there.  Nothing else appears able to unique-ify it.  *groan*
02:44 rangi
02:44 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5949 : Popup alert when deleting items from basket, also change planning value... <[…]2502aa172d7949781>
02:45 jenkins_koha Starting build 116 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
02:56 druthb Gosh, I'm much talkier than I used to be on IRC.
02:56 rangi :)
02:56 rangi maybe its cos you aint working for the man no more
02:58 druthb somethin' like that.
03:05 space_librarian love the random quotes.
03:05 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 5593, Change cart markup to allow for easier icon styling <[…]f06fd342b203ee758> / Incrementing database version <[…]5574bc65818d9821e> / wr76595 (bug 4157): Control barcode display with a borrower attribute <
03:06 rangi yeah buddy
03:07 rangi @quote random
03:07 huginn rangi: Quote #32: "<wizzyrea> oh, things are not right in the world .... oh good, that makes me feel better. it's just the govt" (added by jdavidb at 01:56 PM, September 09, 2009)
03:08 rangi @quote random
03:08 huginn rangi: Quote #35: "<sekjal> it seemed like a good idea at the time...." (added by jwagner at 06:58 PM, September 17, 2009)
03:08 rangi thats how this whole thing started :)
03:08 druthb @quote random
03:08 huginn druthb: Quote #68: "gmcharlt: which probably means that library schools ought to rename Cataloging 101 to Identification and Avoidance of Rabbit Holes 101" (added by wizzyrea_laptop at 08:17 PM, March 10, 2010)
03:08 ibeardslee space_librarian: I take it you've seen the irc quotes on the work wiki?
03:09 space_librarian yep. Hours of endless entertainment there too.
03:12 ibeardslee yeah when I need to laugh until I cry I end up there
03:13 druthb off to bed....g'night!
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03:15 rangi @quote get 95
03:15 huginn rangi: Quote #95: "< robin> to be honest, I think if you mention Koha and Perl, your CV could say your hobbies include puppy-kitten cage-fights, and you'd be snapped up :)" (added by chris at 09:36 PM, October 06, 2010)
03:15 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5970: Follow-up, freedeliveryplace was missing in kohastructure <[…]1fabd4a5aed8434e3> / Bug 5970: Adds the ability to use a free delivery address for basket <[…]f4bf04cef456d7b67>
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03:25 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #116: SUCCESS in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/116/
03:25 jenkins_koha Christophe Croullebois: Bug 5949 : Popup alert when deleting items from basket, also change planning value to statistics
03:25 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5949 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED, Popup alert when deleting orders from a basket
03:25 jenkins_koha Starting build 117 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
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04:05 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #117: SUCCESS in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/117/
04:05 jenkins_koha * Christophe Croullebois: Bug 5963 : Add the ability to filter budgets using the active column
04:05 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Follow up fix for 5839 (items stocknumber)
04:05 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5963 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED, Acquisitions: Add the capability to have a filter by active budget
04:05 jenkins_koha * Srdjan Jankovic: Bug 4157: Display of barcode in checked out items in OPAC
04:05 jenkins_koha * Srdjan Jankovic: wr76595 (bug 4157): Control barcode display with a borrower attribute
04:05 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4157 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED, Display of barcode in checked out items in OPAC
04:05 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Incrementing database version
04:05 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 5593, Change cart markup to allow for easier icon styling
04:05 jenkins_koha * Matthias Meusburger: Bug 5970: Adds the ability to use a free delivery address for basket
04:05 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 5970: Follow-up, freedeliveryplace was missing in kohastructure
04:05 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5593 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, Change cart markup to allow for easier icon styling
04:05 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5970 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED, Adds the ability to use a free delivery address for basket
04:08 bg Yes UCONN wins!!!
04:08 rangi w00t!!
04:16 bg :)
04:16 bg thanks rangi++
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04:22 AmitG heya ll
04:22 AmitG heya charis
04:22 AmitG heya chris
04:22 rangi hiya AmitG
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05:21 cait good morning #koha!
05:27 space_librarian morning cait!
05:27 cait hi space_librarian :)
05:29 space_librarian :) Have you managed to find pain au chocolat yet?
05:30 cait not yet
05:30 cait but we got a very tasty croissant and piece of baguette for breakfast yesterday
05:30 space_librarian lovely!
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05:32 Nouman hi all
05:33 Nouman I want to install latest koha on Ubuntu 10.10
05:33 Nouman Any link for easy installation instructions
05:33 Nouman Kindly guide me
05:33 cait look at the files that come with koha
05:34 cait there are text files with instructions
05:34 Nouman I mean, any easy installation guide, automated.\
05:34 cait and you can use the packages, but I have not tried that
05:35 Nouman some one here told me "koha 3.00.06 installation on Ubuntu 9.10 (Karmic) and 10.04 (Lucid)."
05:35 Nouman It was very easy installation guide
05:35 Nouman is it also working for latest koha version on Ubuntu 10.10
05:36 Nouman ?
05:37 cait there might some things be different now
05:37 cait that's why I pointed to the files that are included in koha - those get updated regularly
05:39 Nouman cait: that instructions r too dificult and I am new user of UBUNTU, while "koha 3.00.06 installation on Ubuntu 9.10 (Karmic) and 10.04 (Lucid)." was very easily instructions
05:47 Nouman any one help me " how can I install koha" via packages
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06:00 Nouman hi all
06:00 Nouman I want to install koha via packages
06:00 Nouman is there any installation guide
06:01 cait hi kmkale
06:01 kmkale hi cait
06:06 cait breakfast time - bbl
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06:56 Cybermon hi all
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06:59 francharb hello
07:00 Cybermon i have following error for zebra fast indexing: <subfield code="6">812 at /usr/share/koha/lib//C4/ line 1058. 15:02:36-05/04 zebraidx(32073) [warn] zebra_lock_create fail fname=/var/lock/koha/zebradb/biblios/norm..LCK [No such file or directory] 15:02:36-05/04 zebraidx(32073) [warn] zebra_lock_create fail fname=/var/lock/koha/zebradb/biblios/shadow..
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07:00 Cybermon continue: ..LCK [No such file or directory] 15:02:36-05/04 zebraidx(32073) [fatal] Could not select database biblios errCode=109
07:02 Cybermon what is wrong ?
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07:03 Oak \o
07:06 Cybermon rangi ?
07:06 wahanui somebody said rangi was asking for a vote on the next meeting i think
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07:12 magnuse kia ora #koha
07:13 SpaceLibrarian_home kia ora magnuse
07:20 AmitG heya
07:20 AmitG spaceLibrarian_home
07:21 clrh hi
07:22 rangi hello hackfesters
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07:25 magnuse hello rangi
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07:27 rangi clrh: will we see a patch from you this hackfest?, you could be lucky number number 139 :)
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07:28 clrh a patch from me?
07:29 rangi yep
07:30 * rangi aims to get everyone in the world to send a patch for koha
07:30 jenkins_koha Starting build 118 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
07:30 rangi i only have 6 billion people to go
07:30 hdl rangi: if she modifies a patch then she will send it
07:30 rangi cool
07:31 magnuse hehe, that is a great goal, rangi ;-)
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07:33 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Updating history <[…]ed4735f59084f5baf>
07:35 * cait waves
07:35 rangi hi cait
07:36 rangi what was for breakfast today?
07:36 rangi creme brulee?
07:36 * rangi knows that isnt a breakfast food :)
07:36 rangi i did try to eat it everynight i was in france though ;)
07:37 cait croissant and baguette
07:37 cait rangi++ for pushing all those patches!
07:38 rangi you have to have a pain au chocolat at least once before you leave
07:38 rangi hdl: can you make sure cait has one :)
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07:39 hdl I'll do...
07:39 hdl She brought us chocolate
07:39 rangi ohh lucky
07:39 cait no she didn't :(
07:39 cait it was all magnuse!
07:40 rangi i still remember going to the rugby pub in marseille with hdl, russ, laurel and thd
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07:40 rangi when we ended up behind the bar with silly hats on
07:40 hdl ah... nostalgy ;)
07:40 cait sounds like you had fun :)
07:40 rangi yep it was a good meal and good company
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07:40 hdl rangi: Is there a list of major differences between 3.2 and 3.4 ?
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07:41 rangi im working on it
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07:41 rangi its very rough at the moment
07:41 rangi im just using git2cl to generate a changelong
07:41 rangi changelog even
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07:41 rangi and then i will work though it making it into proper notes
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07:42 paul_p hello world
07:42 rangi hi paul_p
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07:42 * rangi wants bouillabaisse
07:42 cait fish soup?
07:42 rangi oh dont saw that
07:42 rangi saw=say
07:42 paul_p Mark from PTFS-europe and Frydolin from Progilone just arrived.
07:42 cait ok, paul says it's not really a fish soup
07:43 paul_p rangi, right. I'm just explaining cait ;-)
07:43 rangi hehe yeah, its so so so so so much better than that
07:43 rangi oh excellent, hi from me
07:43 rangi how many people now?
07:44 cait paul is counting
07:44 paul_p 20, exactly
07:45 rangi very cool
07:46 paul_p rangi, cait told me you've some questions about some acq patches ?
07:46 cait I was talking about the 2 bugs you showed me yesterday
07:46 cait I think it was bug 5555 and another
07:46 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5555 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, januszop, ASSIGNED, ISBN search returns bad results
07:48 SpaceLibrarian_home I think ya'll need to send rangi something French as well as the patches. A snowglobe maybe? ;)
07:48 rangi ahh just missing signed off patches
07:49 rangi hdl:
07:49 rangi thats all the differences between v3.02.06 and HEAD of master
07:49 cait oh wow
07:50 rangi in the order they were pushed
07:50 rangi yeah theres a lot :)
07:50 SpaceLibrarian_home damn, that's impressive
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07:52 rangi hi frido
07:53 frido hie, I'm a developer from Progilone, Lyon, France
07:54 magnuse bonjour frido
07:54 frido Good luke to every one working
07:54 cait rangi: XXX in updatedatabase! :)
07:54 rangi doh
07:54 cait hi frido
07:54 rangi theres the flu kicking in
07:54 rangi ill fix now
07:54 magnuse flu? oh no!
07:54 cait oh no
07:54 cait right, I was going to say that too :)
07:54 cait go to bed then!
07:55 SpaceLibrarian_home what cait said!
07:55 rangi try now
07:57 cait it's perfect now. go to bed!
07:58 rangi hehe
07:58 rangi im just helping Cybermon
07:58 rangi then i will
07:58 rangi gotta get mongolia up and running
07:58 kmkale rangi: whats the default pazpar2 port?
07:59 rangi it should be in the config
07:59 Cybermon hello cait
08:00 cait hi Cybermon
08:00 cait send chris to bed later, will you? ;)
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08:00 Cybermon can i ask a question?
08:00 cait of course
08:01 Cybermon how can i enable 084 field for catalog.
08:01 cait ah
08:01 rangi kmkale: 11002
08:01 cait right
08:01 cait you use a russian classificaton?
08:01 kmkale rangi: gotcha. thanks
08:01 Cybermon yes
08:01 mehjabeen I want a mechanism so that in my koha i can search book via their title rather than barcode
08:01 cait check under administration > bibliographic marc frameworks
08:01 cait I am not sure how many frameworks you have installed, so maybe you have to repeat the steps for each
08:02 cait open one of the frameworks, start with the default one
08:02 cait search for 084
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08:02 cait if it shows up it's probably only hidden
08:02 cait and you can change the hidden values to make it visible
08:02 Cybermon i have 084 for MARC Framework.
08:02 cait ok
08:02 cait open the field and subields and check for the hidden values
08:02 cait make it a 0 to show up everywhere
08:03 Cybermon wait
08:03 mehjabeen I want a mechanism so that in my koha i can search book via their title rather than barcode
08:03 mehjabeen icant remeber barcodes
08:04 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Updating database version number <[…]a6a92f3481db1a981>
08:04 cait normally you scan them - noone can remember barcodes
08:04 mehjabeen but we dont use scanner as input
08:05 mehjabeen each time our librarian have to enter barcode
08:05 cait Cybermon: I am waiting :) there are some more things you might want to do for your classification source, like adding a new entry to classification sources and change sysprefs
08:05 Cybermon Cait: yes.  i wanna it
08:05 cait Cybermon: the interesting sys prefs are DefaultClassificationSource and itemcallnumber
08:06 Cybermon maybe
08:06 cait you can enter 084a in itemcallnumber syspref and it will suggest your value from 084a for the callnumber in the item
08:06 cait I did that for rvk - a classification system used in Germany
08:06 cait Cybermon: you see how to change the bibiographic frameworks?
08:08 mehjabeen can any body tell me some other way to search books while checking out through their title not with barcode
08:09 mehjabeen i need urgent help
08:10 cait circulation works with whatever you put in the barcode field
08:10 cait you don't have to put numbers there necessarily
08:10 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #118: SUCCESS in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/118/
08:10 jenkins_koha Chris Cormack: Updating history
08:10 cait itwill work with strings and other things too, limited to 26 characters
08:10 jenkins_koha Starting build 119 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
08:11 mehjabeen ok thanx Cait but again there would be difficulty for librarians to remeber those
08:11 mehjabeen as we have 4 different libraries
08:12 cait perhaps you should think about using barcodes
08:12 cait it's really the easiest and fastest way to do things
08:12 cait and you can get scanners for not that much money now
08:13 mehjabeen in our database all barcodes are not been generated yet
08:13 cait you can not check out when barcode field is null or empty
08:13 cait simple as that
08:13 mehjabeen only a few for testing purpose
08:14 mehjabeen we have entered 1000s of books into the system
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08:15 mehjabeen and i have to generate all barcodes through a query
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08:33 kmkale is there a doc or howto for koha with pazpar2
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08:35 Cybermon1 hi again: Sorry my connection is down
08:36 mehjabeen I want a mechanism so that in my koha i can search book via their title rather than barcode
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08:36 mehjabeen while checking out
08:37 cait than you will have to program it
08:37 cait then...
08:37 mehjabeen yes i can do to some extent
08:37 mehjabeen as i have never use pearl
08:38 mehjabeen but can understand its coding
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08:50 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #119: SUCCESS in 39 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/119/
08:50 jenkins_koha Chris Cormack: Updating database version number
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09:00 AmitG heya kmkale
09:03 kmkale hi AmitG can you point me to pazpar2 and koha howto?
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09:05 kmkale AmitG: I got a link in mailing lists to a page in osslabs site but that link is now giving 404 error
09:08 rangi[…]80%D0%B3%20%D0%90.
09:15 magnuse cool! no facets?
09:15 rangi nozebra, so no facets
09:16 magnuse ah
09:16 rangi but at least its not erroring
09:16 rangi that's enough for tonight
09:16 rangi if cybermon comes back can you tell him i think i fixed it for now
09:16 rangi @later tell cybermon i think the search is working now
09:16 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded.
09:30 AmitG kmkale: which link
09:31 kmkale AmitG:[…]rated-search.html
09:32 AmitG kmkale: now website will change
09:32 AmitG so that the reason u are unable to search this
09:32 kmkale AmitG: can you give me new link?
09:33 AmitG right now i don't know i can mail you by EOD
09:33 AmitG this is fine for you
09:33 kmkale AmitG: ok. Thanks
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09:59 cait hackfest++
09:59 AmitG heya cait
09:59 cait hi AmitG :)
09:59 AmitG cait: can i ask some question
09:59 cait sure
09:59 AmitG when receiving a item in acq module
10:00 AmitG prefill item record is not there
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10:02 cait you want to add items when ordering?
10:03 cait check your system preferences for acquisition
10:03 cait AcqCreateItem
10:07 alex_a frido:
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10:09 alex_a frido: git config --global sendemail.smtpserver
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10:19 AmitG cait : it's coming but not auto filled like additem
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10:25 kmkale hi druthb
10:25 druthb hi there.  :)
10:25 kmkale hi tcohen ebegin
10:26 tcohen hi kmkale
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10:26 ebegin hello kmkale
10:26 kmkale :)
10:27 tcohen hi rangi,
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10:33 kmkale looking for some info on OpacGroupResults. What exactly does it do and how does it work
10:38 tcohen rangi: huginn told me the patch was ok, does it mean you don't need a new patch for bug 5166?
10:38 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5166 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, tomascohen, ASSIGNED, Refactor into a library
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11:39 AmitG heya jwagner
11:39 jwagner Hi AmitG
11:46 cait kmkale: I think rangi has played with that - but he is sleeping now (pazpar2/opacgroupresults)
11:47 AmitG heya cait
11:47 kmkale aww. Right. tomorrow..
11:48 kmkale AmitG is also going to send me a link
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11:48 jcamins Good morning, #koha
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11:53 kmkale hi jcamins
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12:01 hdl hi jcamins
12:01 hdl kmkale as far as i know, it would need some work to be really usable
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12:02 jcamins hdl: I have a question about Zebra for you. Do you know of any way to specify to Zebra that two subfields need to occur in the same field?
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12:03 hdl need to occur in the same index you mean ?
12:03 hdl yes... use DOM
12:03 kmkale hdl: do you mean the pazpar2/opacgroupresults feature?
12:03 hdl kmkale: yes.
12:03 kmkale :(
12:04 hdl it is at the Proof of Concept level...
12:04 jcamins hdl: for example, I have a 700 field with subfield a "Smith, John" and subfield e "printer"
12:04 hdl But ask rangi he has really tested that
12:04 jcamins I want to find records where that exact subfield occurs, and not just "Smith, John" in one subfield and "printer" in another.
12:05 kmkale no wonder I cant find much info on lists or manual
12:05 kmkale hope AmitG can give me some good info and will ask rangi tomorrow
12:06 hdl jcamins: DOM is the answer...
12:06 kmkale how's the hackfest going?
12:06 jcamins hdl: oh, that response was to me. I thought you were answering kmkale.
12:07 jcamins A shame we don't use DOM for biblios. :(
12:07 hdl[…]efs/heads/dom_wip ... But be warned that it is really early stage.
12:07 hdl there is an abs2dom script.
12:07 jcamins Hmm.
12:09 hdl kmkale: busy
12:09 kmkale :)
12:09 hdl imagine 20 folks in one openspace, all of them testing, using, working...
12:10 cait it's fun :)
12:10 * jcamins thought y'all might be running out of patches, so there's another... 8.
12:11 kmkale :)
12:12 paul_p jcamins, don't be afraid, we have more than 200 patches from BibLibre in our queue... (on their way to be submitted to koha-patches)
12:13 jcamins paul_p: well, now you have 8 more, too. :)
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12:17 * cait sends jcamins some norwegian chocolate (brought here by magnuse) to distract him from sending more patches ;)
12:18 jcamins Mmmm. Norwegian chocolate
12:22 * druthb wants some!
12:23 cait hehe
12:23 * paul_p send some chocolate through IRC channel...
12:28 * kmkale wow!! Hackfest leads to teleporting discovery
12:29 jcamins Well, at least I can save magnuse some trouble.
12:29 oleonard gro
12:30 oleonard Whoops, nonsensical morning intro.
12:30 jcamins magnuse: I just sent a patch fixing the comparison operator. :)
12:30 jcamins ... along with a slew of others.
12:30 * druthb hands oleonard a mug of coffee.
12:31 * oleonard looks at his coffee, then looks over at jcamins' chocolate...
12:31 * jcamins shares the chocolate, and bread
12:31 magnuse jcamins++
12:31 cait hehe
12:32 cait for more chocolate you have to fly here and help up :P
12:32 cait ok, I have an acquisitions question!
12:32 cait when receiving an item - what do you enter into the actual cost field?
12:32 cait and: is it supposed to to change the amount spend for this budget or not?
12:33 cait where do you enter the amount you actually pay for the item
12:37 oleonard Wondering if this is bad: DBD::mysql::db do failed: Unknown column 'deliveryplace' in 'aqbasketgroups'
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12:41 jcamins magnuse: I don't know if it's as good as yours yet, but yesterday I just made the best pizza I have ever made. :D
12:41 paul_p oleonard, yes, it's bad...
12:41 oleonard paul_p: I got that error from updatedatabase after rebasing this morning
12:42 * chris_n suggests trying to wake up again then
12:42 chris_n maybe it will correct itself ;-)
12:43 cait oleonard: are you on current head now? chris fixed an XXX in the updatedatebase after that patch was added
12:46 oleonard cait: No XXX in my updatedatabase. Maybe I missed an update somewhere, though
12:47 cait has your updatedatabase script the XX?
12:47 jcamins oleonard: oh, no, that's not a problem.
12:47 jcamins marcelr wrote a patch to remove extraneous columns that should never have been created.
12:48 jcamins Apparently yours didn't have them.
12:48 cait ah, we added freedeliveryplace yesterday
12:48 cait the column name is different too
12:48 oleonard "ALTER TABLE `aqbasketgroups` ADD `freedeliveryplace` TEXT NULL AFTER `deliveryplace`"
12:48 cait ah
12:48 oleonard I don't have deliveryplace.
12:48 cait so those patches were getting into each others way
12:49 cait kohastructure had
12:49 cait yesterday
12:49 cait when I wrote the followup
12:49 cait oleonard: did you test marcelr patch?
12:50 cait[…]f4bf04cef456d7b67
12:50 cait I am not sure how this can be resolved
12:51 oleonard I wonder if there is a problem with the DB update?
12:51 oleonard I tried setting my version back to 20 and re-updating but I got the same error
12:58 cait hm
13:06 oleonard julian: I don't understand your comment on Bug 5432. Are there other places where the "sort1" field acts the way you describe?
13:06 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5432 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, REOPENED, Duplicate patron feature
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13:21 schuster Mornin...
13:21 oleonard I could use some feedback on an issue I posted to the mailing list:
13:21 oleonard[…]org/msg01231.html
13:22 schuster Sorry oleonard - I can't help on that one too technical for me.
13:23 cait oleonard: no idea, sorry
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13:28 julian oleonard: When I duplicate a patron, the content fields is erased when i put my cursor in the text field, except for field 'sort1'. I did not test all the fields if it is what you mean.
13:32 oleonard thanks for the clarification julian I wasn't aware that the duplicate feature included that behavior
13:32 oleonard I see that the function works on a field by field basis:
13:32 oleonard <!--TMPL_IF NAME="opduplicate"--> onclick="this.value=''"<!-- /TMPL_IF -->
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14:11 * cait waves to sekjal
14:13 sekjal hi, cait!
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14:17 hdl hi sekjal
14:18 sekjal hi, hdl!
14:18 hdl working on a patch over Hardcodedduedates.
14:19 hdl see bug 5872
14:19 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5872 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, christophe.croullebois, ASSIGNED, Enhancements to circulation management
14:19 hdl would you be willing to sign off when it is done ?
14:21 sekjal I'd like to test, sure
14:27 hdl sekjal: Why are you using C4::Dates for GetHardDueDate and checking for all the usage iso date... It comes out of the database so the format should be iso compatible...
14:28 sekjal hdl: perhaps being overly cautious.
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14:45 frido I juste discovered that only US uses "MM/DD/YYYY", I thout UK also.
14:45 jcamins frido: nope, we're the only weird ones.
14:46 oleonard Weird as in "Strange we're the only ones who do it right" ;)
14:46 frido That's why JQuery tablesorter dateFormat is set to uk if "dateformat_metric"
14:46 frido you see, "metric" sounds odd with UK no ?
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14:48 hdl frido: you could ask the person from PTFS-Europe here.
14:48 frido Oh, It's ok, I get it now
14:49 frido For Jquery Table sorter : default is US, if dateformat is "metric" : set dateFormat='uk', if dateformat is "iso" : alpabetic order is right
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15:27 * chris_n gets bit by the linguistics bug :P
15:29 cait hm?
15:33 chris_n cait: see the last three comments here:
15:33 * chris_n totally missed the call there
15:34 chris_n probably due to a sever lack of coffee
15:34 chris_n severe even
15:35 rhcl my server needs some coffee
15:36 chris_n that may be part of my problem too
15:36 * chris_n pours more coffee into the air intake on his server
15:36 cait checking
15:36 rhcl naw, it goes into the floppy drive opening
15:37 cait chris_n: sorry, don't get it
15:37 chris_n cait: I thought Julian was having trouble with the images attached to the bug
15:37 cait he and me are not sure how this should work
15:37 chris_n when it was the itemtype images
15:37 cait perhaps you can add a test case?
15:38 chris_n hmm... I'm not the reporter nor up to speed on the bug... otherwise, I would gladly
15:44 chris_n cait: my apologies; I have worked on testing this bug, but never had time to return to it; it appears sekjal did some testing and signed off on the fix
15:44 sekjal chris_n:  which?
15:44 wahanui well, which is totally fine
15:45 chris_n
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15:45 sekjal my primary interest in that fix was the ability to tell Koha NOT to try and load the images if they're not going to be used
15:46 sekjal my research found that to be the biggest resource drain in a search
15:46 sekjal slowing the return of results down by around 1 sec (on my example machines)
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15:50 cait sekjal: I think Julian was not sure how to test it
15:50 chris_n sekjal: I think that julian was having trouble verifying the fix
15:51 chris_n <snap>
15:51 cait sekjal: a test case / instructions for testing would help him I thin
15:51 cait k
15:51 chris_n :)
15:51 cait :)
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16:03 conan hello everybody
16:05 oleonard Hi conan
16:07 frido see U
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16:09 cait hi conan
16:16 magnuse i took another one today, but can't upload it at the moment
16:18 rhcl what are the bottom four lines showing?
16:18 cait magnuse: you have to tweet that :)
16:18 cait rhcl: the green one is search/ catalog
16:18 cait the orange one members
16:19 cait the blue one opac
16:19 cait the red one acquisition
16:19 cait referring to the bugs needing sign-off for those modules
16:19 cait we are working on signoff, but we are also creating new bugs and marking bugs resolved
16:20 cait so the one closing bugs has not a good job - the line jumps up every night
16:20 cait ok, leaving for now :) more work to be done tomorrow!
16:20 rhcl icic
16:20 rhcl[…]7/in/photostream/   <- cool pic
16:22 magnuse thanks rhcl
16:22 magnuse bye #koha
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18:48 oleonard UI ideas for the baseball fan:[…]ew_save_icon.html
18:59 tcohen oleonard: nice one, they'r not the icons for me,e but floppy icon-deprecation is a good idea
18:59 jwagner The problem with that is that home plate represents "safe" -- "save" would be the pitcher closing out the game and saving the win.  But how to represent that???
19:00 jwagner But I'm all in favor of spreading baseball icons far and wide :-)
19:00 druthb yah, When I saw the name of the article, I presumed the icon would be a little pic of John Wetteland coming in from the bullpen..
19:01 jwagner Or Billy Wagner, or Trevor Hoffman, or even Mariano Rivera (Yankees!  BOO!!!!)
19:02 gmcharlt oleonard: on the other hand, does leave most of the world in the cold except for the US, Japan, and much of Latin America ;)
19:02 oleonard American imperialism at its best
19:06 oleonard Personally I like the idea that the floppy image might = save forever. How much more understandable is the clipboard icon for paste?
19:11 jcamins wizzyrea: around?
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19:14 wizzyrea i am
19:15 jcamins :)
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19:55 * druthb pings wizzyrea.
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20:07 hdl hi NateC
20:08 hdl Hi wizzyrea
20:08 NateC hiya hdl!
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20:50 hdl gmcharlt: around ?
20:50 hdl just seen your quick note for openncip.
20:52 gmcharlt hdl: yes, what's up?
20:53 hdl as much as I agree the reconciliation and the fact that this project has to be clearly separated from Koha.
20:54 hdl I think it would be quite hard to achieve that as things are now.
20:54 gmcharlt yeah
20:54 hdl a) it uses koha circulation API. and not an abstraction of this API
20:55 gmcharlt it's not particularly time-sensitive, but at the very, very least it would be nice to get patches that would serve as regular enhancements to OpenNCIP ported as well
20:55 hdl b) utf8 management seems not to be an option for some reason
20:55 hdl c) dates management are hard coded in sip format timestamps ... which is not an option.
20:56 gmcharlt well, utf8 issues are common to both EG and Koha, so actually (b) is a common interest
20:56 hdl for our libraries.
20:57 hdl gmcharlt: i agree... But when you choose to use utf8, you have to disable errorcode detection at the moment. And it disable the usage of the old codepage..
20:58 hdl d) strings are not translatable which is also for our libraries quite a big problem.
20:58 gmcharlt again, common problems that would be better addressed in a common OpenNCIP
20:58 gmcharlt as is (d) for that matter
21:01 hdl gmcharlt: I really think it HAS to get reconciled and calls it from all my soul. I just raise the problems we faced. If we can discuss a solution on list... or at least list all those issues somewhere in order to assign that and plan some solutions .... Is there some meetings around openncip ?
21:02 gmcharlt well, there aren't that many people to have involved
21:02 gmcharlt koha-devel would be a logical starting point for the discussion of Koha stuff to refactor
21:02 hdl the patches we did were always directly on code... Most of them have been pushed in 3.0
21:03 gmcharlt there isn't really an open-ncip list at the moment, but it would be easily created if there's enough cross-discussion between the EG and Koha users of it
21:03 hdl Some were not, because it was for Date management...
21:03 hdl And strings translations
21:06 hdl however I can send a list of those patches. But they are not really what I would call proper patches for common usage... Since they apply to our french context. And would need some work in order to be really efficient.
21:06 hdl is it of any interest ?
21:08 gmcharlt hdl: yes, a list would be very helpful
21:09 gmcharlt knowing the intent of patches can make figuring out what belongs in OpenNCIP and what belong's in Koha's OpenNCIP driver easier
21:09 hdl will send it on koha-devel.
21:11 gmcharlt thanks
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21:26 hdl @later tell owen : what is the status of the jqueryui change at the moment. It seems it has not been pushed nor proposed. I would like to know what is the status of your branch ?
21:26 huginn hdl: The operation succeeded.
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21:37 hdl @later tell rangi : I am in the middle of a rebase for bug 5872 : a) hardcoded dates adds the need for a datepicker usage ... And that should be done with jqueryui if we are to implement the decision taken some time ago. ... To do b) one script is missing (which implements the ajax edit) of the issuingrules (added) c) C4::IssuingRules should datapersistence should conform to the other Memoize stuff . Done. Stuff pushed on a koha-biblibre wip br
21:37 huginn hdl: The operation succeeded.
21:37 cait hi #koha
21:38 cait rangi not around?
21:38 cait and hi hdl :)
21:39 hdl cait: rangi had the flu this morning
21:39 hdl hi cait
21:39 cait oh right :( I send him to bed
21:40 hdl how was your lunch ?
21:40 cait it was great
21:40 hdl where did you lunch ?
21:40 cait sorry, I don't have the name of the place :(
21:41 hdl were you with Pascale Nalon ?
21:41 paul_p hi cait.
21:42 paul_p 3 or 4 more patches waiting for you tomorrow morning (BibLibre fixes for acq) ;-)
21:43 * cait hides from paul_p
21:43 cait ;)
21:43 paul_p ;)
21:43 cait hdl: yes we were and she was a great help company and help
21:43 paul_p sweet dreams cait !
21:43 wizzyrea pascale is a cool name
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21:44 cait sweet dreams paul :)
21:45 paul_p yikes ! firefox core dumped !
21:46 cait hm?
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22:02 wizzyrea libre_office--
22:02 wizzyrea open_office--
22:03 cait ?
22:03 wizzyrea for not playing video content correctly in impress.
22:03 wizzyrea it's REALLY annoying!
22:03 rhcl what vid format were you tryiing to play?
22:03 wizzyrea name it, I think I've tried
22:04 wizzyrea .mov (not surprising) .mp4 (surprising) .asf (surprising)
22:04 wizzyrea avi I guess I haven't done yet
22:04 * wizzyrea tries that
22:05 rangi asf and mp4 are both patented
22:06 wizzyrea i thought you were sick :P
22:06 rangi its 10am, i slept in
22:06 wizzyrea good
22:06 rangi try theora
22:06 wizzyrea rangi++ for always having a suggestion
22:09 cait feeling better?
22:10 rangi a little bit, gonna eat and go back to sleep
22:11 wizzyrea good idea
22:12 cait yep
22:12 wizzyrea well that might be part of my problem... very old version of vlc
22:12 * wizzyrea sighs
22:16 * jcamins echoes wizzyrea's sigh
22:17 jcamins I have corrupted data.
22:17 wizzyrea nooooo
22:17 jcamins Unfortunately, I can't find a single thing wrong with it.
22:17 jcamins I know it's corrupted, but when I copy the data directly out of the database onto my system, it works fine.
22:19 wizzyrea whoa that's a head scratcher.
22:19 cait bed time
22:19 cait bye all :)
22:19 jcamins wizzyrea: I know!
22:19 jcamins Good night.
22:19 * wizzyrea flails wildly... bad mysql index?
22:19 wizzyrea (wouldn't come with the dump, iirc)
22:19 jcamins Hm.
22:20 jcamins But the corruption seems to be in the record.
22:20 druthb uhoh...   flailing wizzyrea!
22:20 wizzyrea heh
22:20 jcamins Unless I'm looking in the wrong place...
22:20 wizzyrea :)
22:21 jcamins No, so much for that theory.
22:23 jcamins Ah-ha.
22:23 jcamins Bug 5683 strikes again!
22:23 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5683 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, RESOLVED FIXED, can corrupt records
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22:24 wizzyrea hiss
22:24 * wizzyrea pins hopes on theora
22:24 space_librarian why are we hissing?
22:24 wizzyrea plz plz plz
22:24 wizzyrea being bitten by a fixed bug makes me hiss
22:25 space_librarian not fun, no. Theora does look good though
22:25 jcamins You know what would be nice? It would be nice if there were only one place where we directly created fields.
22:25 space_librarian sounds too logical by far
22:26 space_librarian could it be done?
22:26 jcamins Good question.
22:28 * druthb laughs evilly, and refers:
22:28 space_librarian lol. so true.
22:29 jcamins Goodness.
22:29 jcamins That's horrifying.
22:29 * jcamins calls it a day.
22:30 * wizzyrea recalls that jcamins used to be at the numismatic society, imagines that it probably bothers him more than most
22:30 jcamins We have 40 calls to MARC::Field->new in C4.
22:30 jcamins *40*
22:31 space_librarian shades of RDA going on here?
22:31 * space_librarian is still very scathing of the RDA concept and how it failed miserably.
22:31 * jcamins also thinks RDA is idiotic
22:31 jcamins 102 calls to MARC::Field->new
22:32 jcamins 102.
22:32 jcamins And every one of those should probably check for invalid input.
22:33 space_librarian Yeah, simplying field creation points would be a very good thing.
22:33 space_librarian simplifying*
22:35 jcamins Oh, this is good.
22:35 jcamins 26 of the calls are in t/
22:36 jcamins Which means there are only 36 outside of C4
22:36 jcamins And 16 of those are in the 22_to_30 migration utilities.
22:37 jcamins Leaving only 20 outside C4.
22:37 jcamins Anyway, good night, #koha
22:37 druthb g'night, jcamins
22:38 jcamins is now known as jcamins_away
22:38 jcamins_away Maybe the solution is just to wrap all those calls in some sort of eval{}
22:40 space_librarian 'night, jcamins_away.
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