IRC log for #koha, 2011-03-14

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03:19 kmkale Namaskar #koha
03:19 kmkale My heart goes out to Japan
03:19 druthb hi, kmkale
03:20 kmkale hi druthb
03:22 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bumping db version <[…]b94f911c92913d170> / Bug 5669: Adding a system preference to control whether a user can select a pick... <[…]c5d5404051305d5db>
03:23 jenkins_koha Starting build 39 for job Koha_master (previous build: ABORTED -- last SUCCESS #37 19 h ago)
03:39 mtj evening all
03:53 kmkale hi mtj
03:55 * druthb is very occasionally somewhat ashamed to be an American--for instance, when some of my countrymen and women assert that the earthquakes and reactor problems in Japan are "paybacks" for Pearl Harbor.  Insensitive, uncompassionate, clueless, *morons*.
03:56 kmkale whut???
03:57 druthb It's a meme that's made the rounds on twitter and facebook some.  Mostly in the less-educated circles.  No one on my list, thank goodness, because I'd have to just stomp on that;
03:57 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #39: SUCCESS in 33 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_master/39/
03:57 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 5669: Adding a system preference to control whether a user can select a pick branch for their hold or not
03:57 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bumping db version
03:57 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5669 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED, Holds pick up location - System preference
03:57 kmkale there are fools everywhere
04:04 ibeardslee that sort of attitude is one of the reasons I've never taken up my USA passport
04:07 druthb I think the vast majority of Americans are basically-good folk, mostly--but the ones that are not really stand out with how spectacularly far out in left field they are.
04:07 rangi or right field as the case may be :)
04:07 druthb heh
04:08 druthb hi, rangi! :)
04:08 rangi heya druthb
04:08 ibeardslee mind you I don't think the USA can stake a claim to having all the nutters
04:09 druthb I had dinner with gmcharlt and his lovely wife this afternoon.  I postulate that he is powered by a small singularity.
04:10 eythian "speaking of nutters..." ;)
04:11 druthb It was good to see him, and only an hour's drive out of my way to do so.
04:14 rangi[…]lay-in-Wellington
04:15 druthb :)
04:23 kmkale I visited five hotels yesterday
04:23 kmkale hope to put up that info on the conference site today
04:23 eythian kmkale: make sure you sort them by the quality of the wifi offering
04:24 kmkale ok. its quality of beds I am checking out first :)
04:24 kmkale no worries though. they are all good
04:24 kmkale all offer wifi
04:24 kmkale one major question
04:24 druthb beds++; at code4lib, the bed I got was so smooshy I ended up sleeping on the floor....
04:25 kmkale do people pferer single occupancy or are they willing to share in a double occupancy ??
04:25 eythian I think the only answer there is "both"
04:26 eythian I'd just put down what options there are, let people decide.
04:26 druthb yes; both.  I'm willing to share, but that's just me...others' mileage may vary.
04:26 kmkale need to know. so going to put up a small form today asking people to iindicate that choice
04:26 eythian well, different people have different levels of privacy.
04:26 eythian or sensitivity to snoring
04:26 eythian (or volume of snoring :)
04:27 * druthb giggles
04:27 kmkale as almost all hotels in Thane are 20 rooms or there about. Two of the biggest ones have 45 and 65
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05:08 cait hi #koha
05:08 kmkale hi cait
05:08 cait hi kmkale
05:09 druthb hi, cait. :)
05:11 cait hi druthb :)
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05:55 cait morning fredericd
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05:57 eythian yay, we've just moved a group of libraries from the shackles of Liberty to Koha
05:57 eythian (I just wanted to say "shackles of Liberty" :)
05:59 cait hehe
05:59 cait congratulations :)
06:00 eythian they're really quite happy with it too, which is good.
06:01 cait yep
06:30 kmkale Shackles of Liberty!! I always thought we get liberty once shackles were broken. ;)
06:34 eythian Trust me, you should avoid Liberty� if you possibly can :)
06:38 cait eythian: did you see my comment on your bug?
06:38 cait the one with .gitignore in the patch file?
06:41 eythian cait: yeah, I did. If I get time tomorrow or Wednesday I'll look at it, but I might be busy until then (and after that I'm off to the Solomon Islands to do some training there for a week, so if I don't get to it then, it'll be a little while)
06:41 cait it's ok
06:41 cait solomon islands? nice :)
06:41 eythian yeah, it should be fun :)
06:44 kmkale bbl
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07:31 kf hi #koha
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07:45 rangi kf: you got a second?
07:46 rangi ahh nevermind figured it out
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07:50 paul_p hello everybody
07:50 rangi hi paul_p
07:50 hdl hi all
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07:53 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5848: Same position for the tabs of Normal, MARC and ISBD view in opac detail <[…]7af51e8d48ec906d9> / Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_4438' into kcmaster <[…]3e895b9240fe1d137> / bug4438/MT5496 budget Exceeds total allocation <http://git.koha-community.o
07:53 francharb hello #koha
07:53 kf kf: yes
07:53 jenkins_koha Starting build 40 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
07:53 kf rangi: yes
07:53 kf talking to myself does not work...
07:54 kf rangi: now I am curious about your question ;)
07:55 rangi just was trying to figure out what the patch for 5819 was, because it didnt have the bug number in the commit message
07:55 * rangi amended it to add the bug number
07:57 kf oh
07:57 kf thought I had done that
07:57 kf probably forgot to format-patch again
07:58 kf bug 5819
07:58 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5819 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, januszop, ASSIGNED, No toolbar in record view when quotes present in title
07:58 kf ah no, this was another bug - sorry
08:00 rangi paul_p: just one thing for your weekly emails
08:00 rangi i dont want people to close bugs, just mark resolved fixed
08:00 paul_p rangi, yep
08:01 rangi ill close them when i release
08:01 rangi so test and mark resolved is cool
08:01 paul_p ok, will change the term for the next mail.
08:01 rangi cool thank you :)
08:03 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5819 : No toolbar in record view when quotes present in title - fix <[…]e3ba9f7e3e8876f0b>
08:13 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bumping database version <[…]06f6478bcb4e19a80> / Bug 3670: change 'Item DUE' to 'Item Due' in English dbs <[…]3d598dcbd652b030b>
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08:28 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #40: SUCCESS in 34 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_master/40/
08:28 jenkins_koha * Henri-Damien LAURENT: bug4438/MT5496 budget Exceeds total allocation
08:28 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 5848: Same position for the tabs of Normal, MARC and ISBD view in opac detail
08:28 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5848 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---,, ASSIGNED, Same position for the tabs of Normal, MARC and ISBD view in opac detail
08:28 jenkins_koha Starting build 41 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
08:32 kf rangi++
09:01 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #41: SUCCESS in 33 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_master/41/
09:01 jenkins_koha * Janusz Kaczmarek: Bug 5819 : No toolbar in record view when quotes present in title - fix
09:01 jenkins_koha * Nicole Engard: Bug 3670: change 'Item DUE' to 'Item Due' in English dbs
09:01 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bumping database version
09:01 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5819 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, januszop, ASSIGNED, No toolbar in record view when quotes present in title
09:01 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3670 trivial, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, REOPENED, Why is DUE all caps on enhanced messages
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10:46 kf hmpf
10:46 kf it seems item due can not interpret branches for digest, only for single item due mails.
10:53 * magnuse is surprised to see the contents of subscriptionhistory.librariannote show up in the opac...
10:54 hdl1 should not be
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10:55 kmkale[…]1/beforeafter.htm
10:56 magnuse hdl1: further investigations reveals it's most probably a problem with the data...
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11:03 hdl no nickserv here ?
11:06 mtj hdl: nickserv works for me
11:06 hdl worked silently for me..
11:09 kf *sighs*
11:09 kf is there any reason there would be no hold message during check-in?
11:11 mtj if the item is not on hold...?
11:11 kf it is
11:11 mtj or a circ rule, prolly
11:11 kf placing the hold works without any errormessage
11:11 kf but return somehow does not trigger it
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11:20 mtj hmm, pass on that one
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11:26 kf mtj: still have no idea, but test on my production system was ok - will ignore the problem on my test installation for now
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11:27 kf hi JesseM
11:27 JesseM Morning kf
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11:29 JesseM morning nengard
11:30 nengard morning JesseM
11:30 nengard slef around?
11:32 kf hi nengard
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11:38 nengard hiya kf
11:39 nengard @later tell slef the faq should be open for anyone to add to once logged into the admin area of the Koha site, if not you can add it to the manual in git and I'll put it on the site later, or you can just email me whatever and I'll add it in both places
11:39 huginn nengard: The operation succeeded.
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12:02 hdl hi all
12:04 kf hi hdl :)
12:07 JesseM morning NateC
12:08 NateC morning JesseM and #koha!
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12:19 magnuse argh, lost power twice today - i'm definitely buying an ups later today!
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12:23 jcamins Good morning, #koha
12:23 magnuse hiya jcamins
12:37 jcamins @later tell eythian If you get a chance, could you check that the latest Koha package works? I'm wondering if the reason kf and I both had trouble wasn't that there is some sort of corruption.
12:37 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded.
12:40 nengard so many commits this weekend!! I'm so excited to get to updating the manual :)
12:40 jcamins Help! The packages didn't work, and now I can't do an install from git.
12:40 * nengard is a geek
12:41 kf nengard++ for being a geek :)
12:41 nengard hehe :)
12:41 kf jcamins: what is the problem?
12:41 wahanui the problem is, like, its human beings doing it
12:41 jcamins wahanui: thanks.
12:41 wahanui jcamins: my pleasure
12:41 kf sometimes he really surprises me
12:41 paul_p hi nengard, & congrats for your new position ( geek :D )
12:42 nengard paul_p that's not new - I was born that way :) hehe
12:42 jcamins kf: perl Makefile.PL insists on trying to read the koha-conf that the package set up.
12:42 kf nengard: I didn't want to go to work today because I wanted to work on my bugs and patches...
12:42 nengard kf++ for also being a geek
12:42 jcamins Ah-ha.
12:42 jcamins I just deleted it, and that worked.
12:42 kf hehe thx - just saying I know how you feel. :)
12:53 * jcamins rebuilds zebra
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13:11 magnuse has anyone else seen situations where shows more than one list of issues for a serial, even though there is only one subscription associated with the biblionumber?
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13:15 kf magnuse: sorry no
13:15 magnuse kf, nah, that's good for you! ;-)
13:19 kf magnuse: yes... but want to help :)
13:19 magnuse kf: much appreciated!
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14:01 oleonard We just noticed a bug where there are instances of "&amp;" in search results
14:01 oleonard This one is new to me, can't find a big report for it
14:01 Guest324 we've seen that too, they told us it was something with our records.
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14:02 oleonard[…]+wolf+little+wolf
14:02 oleonard Weird how it's inconsistent. Result 1 and 2 vs. Result 3
14:02 jwagner owen, we saw & reported that a long time ago -- David Birmingham did a fix.  It should be in head.
14:02 jcamins oleonard: that's creepy.
14:02 jcamins I just wrote an e-mail about that issue.
14:03 jcamins It's a bug in Zebra.
14:03 oleonard jcamins: I saw that it was an existing ticket in your system, so I was surprised not to find an official bug report
14:03 jwagner Trying to find our bug number
14:03 jcamins Bug 3326
14:03 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3326 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED, xml entity refs display incorrectly in results page if exported and indexed as xml
14:04 oleonard Ah, well no wonder. Greek to me :)
14:04 oleonard jcamins: Any idea about the patch mentioned in that bug report?
14:05 schuster I've seen this but couldn't figure out how to explain it!
14:07 jcamins oleonard: the problem is that the patch doesn't actually correct the problem.
14:07 wizzyrea it doesn't for non-xslt anyway
14:07 wizzyrea er
14:07 wizzyrea other way round
14:07 jcamins wizzyrea: doesn't at all. :(
14:07 wizzyrea (that's what the patch author says) ohh, that sucks.
14:07 jwagner Drat. I can't find our bugzilla entry, but I know it's about a year & a half old and dealt specifically with this problem -- XSLT showing &amp; instead of &
14:07 jcamins There are search ramifications too.
14:08 JesseM if they cancel with theri current vendor do they get money retro back?
14:08 jcamins JesseM: ww
14:08 JesseM sry sry syr
14:08 jcamins I had an idea how to fix the search ramifications, but that would still leave the display.
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14:11 jwagner oleonard, in current head, do git show 77141dab35e07d488efb326c9694c8d4d3f914fe for David's patch on the ampersand
14:11 jwagner Oops, that one was for branchcode.  Let me try again.
14:12 jwagner Actually, it was for both problems.  It does $xmlrecord =~ s/\& /\&amp\; /;
14:13 jcamins Ohhh.
14:14 * jcamins has just realized that he might be able to fix the display after all.
14:14 wizzyrea \o/
14:15 jcamins Okay, negative lookahead in Perl?
14:15 jcamins Like this: ?=whatever
14:15 jcamins No, ?!whatever
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14:19 Barrc Hello all - another SIP question.....I noticed the SIP implementation doesn't send back title information in the 64 string (if the summary string is sent to look for it) only item barcode
14:19 Barrc Is this by design?
14:20 jcamins Does anyone have a MARC record which includes a URL which has an ampersand that doesn't currently work in Koha?
14:22 jcamins I'll take that as a "no."
14:22 jcamins Does anyone have any suggestions where I could find a URL that has an ampersand in it to stick in a MARC record?
14:22 Barrc Do you mean a URL in a tag in a MARC record?
14:23 jcamins Right.
14:23 wizzyrea owen sent one
14:23 wizzyrea you could download it from his catalog
14:23 wizzyrea[…]+wolf+little+wolf
14:23 slef gmcharlt: alive?
14:23 Barrc Search Amazon for a book, the URL should have an ampersand in it
14:23 gmcharlt slef: not dead yet
14:23 wizzyrea[…]blionumber=233571
14:23 Barrc[…]ords=perl&x=0&y=0
14:23 wizzyrea save record
14:24 jcamins Barrc: ooh, good call!
14:24 slef gmcharlt: I'm just bringing up my notes on this MARC control-character crash thing.
14:24 jcamins wizzyrea: I'm looking for an ampersand in a URL, and my head is still fuzzy and I couldn't figure out where to find one.
14:24 wizzyrea oh sorry url
14:24 wizzyrea not a title
14:24 wizzyrea i'm not so sharpish myself
14:25 slef gmcharlt: the problem I have is that Koha crashes, so I don't see a fault being logged anywhere IIRC
14:26 gmcharlt slef: not even the Apache error log?
14:26 slef gmcharlt: apache error log just says (20014)Internal error: Error reading request entity data
14:27 gmcharlt hmm
14:27 gmcharlt can you provide a copy of the MARC record that's triggering this?
14:27 slef trying to find one
14:28 slef I fear it's not a clear as a single MARC record. I think it's some interaction with Koha's authorities management :-/
14:29 slef oh whoops
14:29 slef I just went to type a control character into Koha. I typed control-q first (because that's how to type a literal control character in Emacs)... you can guess what happened next :-/
14:31 slef I'd install something other than Iceweasel/Firefox if I had time.
14:32 slef Well, the last record my most recently-affected user reports crashes Koha didn't crash it for me :-/
14:33 slef Trying another one which I'm sure previously crashed it.
14:35 slef ok, it's something connected to authorities :-/
14:35 jcamins Preliminary testing suggests that this may have fixed it.
14:35 jcamins No, never mind. Preliminary testing suggests that Amazon understands "&amp;"
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14:36 gmcharlt jcamins: regarding your question, I have a patch in the works to update the default MARC21 framework
14:36 jcamins gmcharlt++
14:37 jcamins Hooray!
14:37 gmcharlt it will also make it possible to automatically pull updates, at least until LC changes the format of the MARC21 manual again
14:37 jcamins That would be excellent!
14:38 jcamins Ugh. Preliminary testing suggests that every website I try understands &amp;
14:39 jcamins Or possibly Chrome replaces it.
14:40 gmcharlt jcamins: odd; that would be fairly bad breakage on Chrome's part
14:41 jcamins It works fine in Firefox too. Apparently one has to *work* to find a website that breaks when you use a link that includes "&amp;"
14:41 magnuse gmcharlt: any idea what happened to the categories below the textarea in the wiki?[…]_Page&action=edit
14:42 gmcharlt magnuse: glitch with the upgrade of extension that manages them; should be fixed shortly
14:42 magnuse gmcharlt: great!
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14:54 jcamins Where does the XSLT get processed into the results display?
14:56 jcamins Ah-ha.
14:56 jcamins
14:56 wahanui is complicated and has been the source of much contention in the wake of KohaCon with BibLibre rewriting it for Solr/Lucene instead of Zebra support.
14:57 jcamins Complicated?
14:57 jcamins wahanui: Complicated is far too mild a term to describe
14:57 wahanui OK, jcamins.
14:58 jcamins Are there any side effects to adding a parameter to a method?
14:59 magnuse Complicated?
14:59 wahanui Complicated is far too mild a term to describe
15:01 kf wahanui botsnack cookie
15:01 wahanui :)
15:02 jcamins Wait, XSLTResultsDisplay doesn't do anything?
15:02 * jcamins never knew this.
15:03 magnuse jcamins: isn't that the one that gives you an error if you turn it on? because the corresponding xslt file is missing?
15:04 jcamins magnuse: I don't know. There's a FIXME note in saying it's not implemented.
15:04 jcamins So, probably.
15:04 jcamins Argh!
15:04 kf jcamins: only in intranet
15:04 jcamins All that patching, and _now_ I realize that I'm in the wrong system, and can't send my patch.
15:04 kf jcamins: there is no xslt file for intranet, but should not give you a warning, just do nothing
15:04 magnuse jcamins: i think you get the error in the staff side search if you turn it on
15:04 oleonard FIXMEs are so useful.
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15:19 nengard hi all, i need git help ... again
15:20 nengard i updated the wrong version of the manual and i want to revert the changes to my 3.2 manual branch to what it is in git
15:20 nengard i did a git reset --soft HEAD^
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15:20 nengard and it still says the files are altered
15:20 nengard i also did git reset --hard origin
15:20 nengard but it's saying that it's at the commit i don't want
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15:22 kf hm, I think --hard HEAD^ should make the last one go
15:23 nengard kf that did it!!
15:23 nengard thanks :)
15:23 kf :)
15:37 nengard kf for bug 3495 are you adding the fast cataloging link to a page other than the circ home? cause i see it on the circ home - just wondering where to look to test
15:37 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3495 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jwagner, ASSIGNED, Fast bib record add at circulation
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15:38 kf nengard: try to checkout an unknown barcode
15:39 kf the permissions work like on circ-home - you see it as superlibrarian and with fast cataloging rights
15:39 nengard bingo :)
15:40 kf it's something we had in horizon - but I would love to have a framework that it's even less complicated. like 5-6 fields and item and biblio on one small popup
15:40 kf it's still not really fast
15:41 nengard kf, i have a 'fast' fast add framework
15:41 nengard i worked to shorted the one that was on there
15:41 nengard shortened
15:42 nengard i'll gladly share it once the import/export function is in place :)
15:42 nengard i shortened the item record and the bib record to only the fields needed at the circ desk
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15:45 kf nengard: :)
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16:18 ronald hello
16:19 ronald i have a problem
16:19 oleonard Hi ronald
16:19 ronald hi oleonard
16:19 tcohen hi #koha
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16:23 wizzyrea kf nengard I was looking at signing off on that one too
16:23 wizzyrea on 3495
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16:23 wizzyrea but I couldn't find it either
16:24 tomascohen hi #koha
16:24 tomascohen i wanted to start working on bug 906
16:24 huginn Bug[…]ow_bug.cgi?id=906 enhancement, P2, ---, chris, NEW, ISBN Check
16:24 tomascohen and wanted to reach some sort of agreement
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16:24 tcohen i wanted to start working on bug 906
16:24 tcohen (ISBN Check)
16:24 tcohen and wanted to reach some sort of agreement
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16:24 tomascohen on what to check
16:24 tomascohen i.e. consistency with isbn10/13 definition
16:25 mib_ffc7ko ??
16:25 mib_ffc7ko hi
16:25 wahanui privet, mib_ffc7ko
16:25 mib_ffc7ko hi wahanui
16:25 Barrc Just putting this out again - in case there are more people around now!
16:25 Barrc I noticed the SIP implementation doesn't send back title information in the 64 string (if the summary string is sent to look for it) only item barcode
16:26 wizzyrea have you filed a bug?
16:26 ronald hi
16:26 ronald install the new koha
16:26 ronald but i have a problem
16:26 wizzyrea at
16:26 Barrc wizzyrea: Is that to me?
16:26 wizzyrea yes, sorry
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16:26 ronald I can not see my searches
16:26 ronald can someone help??
16:26 ronald i have a proble whit the new koha
16:26 ronald dont search nothind
16:27 jcamins searching faq?
16:27 wahanui searching faq is at[…]on/faq/searching/
16:27 jcamins ronald: ^^
16:27 ronald i have a problema whit the new koha...can someone help me
16:27 wizzyrea haha i forgot that wahanui had that one
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16:27 wizzyrea searching faq?
16:27 wahanui searching faq is probably at[…]on/faq/searching/
16:27 Barrc Nope, I will though. I just wondered if anyone thinks it is a bug. The SIP 2 spec doesn't actually specify the requirement either way. Alot (all) other ILS that I know send back the title though
16:27 jcamins wizzyrea: that was the link that inspired chris to set up wahanui, I think.
16:28 wizzyrea if you want it to do it, 1. file a bug and 2. send a patch (if you can)
16:28 * wizzyrea channels rangi
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16:31 * oleonard hopes ronald found the link useful
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16:33 mib_mu6462 ??
16:33 mib_mu6462 any someone help me?
16:33 oleonard What is your question mib_mu6462 ?
16:34 ronald hi
16:34 ronald any someone help me?
16:34 ronald i install the new koha
16:34 oleonard ronald: Someone suggested a link to you:[…]on/faq/searching/
16:34 jcamins ronald: you should look at that page that wahanui gave you the link for.
16:35 mib_mu6462 record amount
16:35 mib_mu6462 but i try search
16:35 mib_mu6462 and dont show me nothind
16:36 tcohen anyone wants to talk about bug 906 today?
16:36 huginn Bug[…]ow_bug.cgi?id=906 enhancement, P2, ---, chris, NEW, ISBN Check
16:36 wizzyrea mib_mu6462:[…]on/faq/searching/
16:36 wizzyrea please have a look there
16:37 slef tcohen: I'm with you: what should we do? Warn? Refuse it?
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16:37 slef tcohen: also should we be validating the calculation or verifying it with some outside source?  Bug report is a bit vague.
16:37 tcohen slef: the only use for this is notify the publisher there is a mistake
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16:38 tcohen so I think we should warn
16:38 tcohen if there was a database to check to
16:38 tcohen we could also ask (webservice) if the ISBN is valid
16:38 tcohen even if it is *incorrect*
16:40 tcohen there is a javascript library (mit license) i will use fr checking ISBN validity
16:41 tcohen the pieces i'm missing are: (a)warn vs. refusal (b) check outside ISBN databae (have no clue on where to check)
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16:49 oleonard nengard: Are you sure unapproved tags were showing up on the detail and results pages for the logged in user? I don't remember that, but I do remember that they showed up on the tags page.
16:49 nengard yup, i'm sure
16:50 nengard cause i documented it as such in 3.0
16:50 nengard it's not a big deal really, just something that was there in the normal view -back before we had XSLT (i think)
16:52 oleonard I agree that it should behave as you remember it.
16:52 oleonard Otherwise people will be trying to add tags they've already added.
16:53 jcamins nengard: I don't think tags are displayed by the XSLT, are they?
16:53 jcamins I mean, it's done in Perl.
16:53 cait I think it's below the xslt display
16:53 cait and agree with oleonard and nengard - there should be a message to the user about tags pending approval
16:53 nengard k -then it's not xslt related, but they were there
16:56 cait time to learn something about project management :) see you all later!
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17:19 slef tcohen: I think it's worth asking a list. I hope some librarians will answer
17:20 * slef looks puzzledly at cait
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17:38 * jcamins wonders why his cat only engages in distressing behaviors when he's home alone with the cat.
17:41 * jcamins theorizes it's because the cat knows that jcamins won't know what to do about really weird behaviors.
17:45 gmcharlt very considerate, I guess
17:45 gmcharlt or something
17:46 jcamins Yeah, maximizing the panic is good. ;)
17:49 chris_n cait: about?
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17:54 chris_n @later tell cait the patch for bug 1962 still does not apply; it appears the problem is in returns.tmpl about line 58 or so
17:54 huginn chris_n: The operation succeeded.
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18:08 jenkins_koha Starting build 5 for job Koha_3.2.x (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #3 8 j 17 h ago)
18:10 huginn New commit(s) kohagit32: Updating Version Number to <[…]116dee26f582b4fe5> / Bug 3670: change 'Item DUE' to 'Item Due' in English dbs <[…]23bb42da289aba056> / Bug 5819 : No toolbar in record view when quotes present in title - fix <
18:26 rangi chris_n: did you catch my fix for 5595
18:26 rangi that should get the tests passing again
18:27 chris_n rangi: got it, tnx
18:27 chris_n all pushed up
18:27 rangi cool
18:27 chris_n man the ring of fire struck again, eh?
18:27 wizzyrea :(
18:29 rangi yep
18:30 jcamins chris_n++ # for daring to delve into the label creator code.
18:30 * chris_n must own a great part of the responsibility for that section of code :-S
18:30 oleonard Hi rangi and chris_n
18:31 chris_n heya oleonard
18:31 wahanui oleonard is, like, the master UI designer of koha
18:32 rangi[…]bble-to-get-to-NZ
18:34 rangi I'm only reading stories like that now
18:34 rangi the others are too depressing
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18:42 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.2.x build #5: STILL UNSTABLE in 33 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]job/Koha_3.2.x/5/
18:42 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Adding release dates and 2 new developers
18:42 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 5595 : Fixing a security glitch (please always use placeholders or
18:42 jenkins_koha * Henri-Damien LAURENT: bug4438/MT5496 budget Exceeds total allocation
18:42 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5595 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED, can't search 'searchable' patron attributes
18:42 jenkins_koha * Janusz Kaczmarek: Bug 5819 : No toolbar in record view when quotes present in title - fix
18:42 jenkins_koha * Nicole Engard: Bug 3670: change 'Item DUE' to 'Item Due' in English dbs
18:42 jenkins_koha * Chris Nighswonger: Updating Version Number to
18:42 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5819 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, januszop, RESOLVED FIXED, No toolbar in record view when quotes present in title
18:42 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3670 trivial, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, RESOLVED FIXED, Why is DUE all caps on enhanced messages
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19:28 * slef and sekjal coordination comedy continues. sekjal afk today; slef afk tomorrow. Yay for asynchronous participation.
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19:32 gmcharlt "and after many years of research, historians figured out that the practice of implanting keyboards in people's arms dates from this minor incident in 2011"
19:32 * wizzyrea giggles
19:32 wizzyrea i've been wanting to, for days, make a National Geographic type comment regarding the elusive rangi ;)
19:33 rangi what
19:33 rangi im always here
19:33 rangi i just dont answer you when you are too boring
19:33 rangi :P
19:33 wizzyrea :P indeed
19:33 chris_n hehe
19:34 schuster hehe...
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20:18 druthb @seen cait
20:18 huginn druthb: cait was last seen in #koha 3 hours, 22 minutes, and 35 seconds ago: <cait> time to learn something about project management :) see you all later!
20:31 rangi anyone got time to sign a patch off for me?
20:32 jcamins rangi: what's the patch?
20:32 wahanui the patch is probably pretty old now, good luck
20:32 nengard rangi depends on the patch :)
20:32 rangi will be just hitting the list now
20:32 rangi bug 5693
20:32 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5693 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, reed, REOPENED, if parentheses used in ccode then searches against ccode fail
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20:35 rangi that fix for parentheses, broke the page number .. try doing a search and limit it to itemtype or ccode
20:36 rangi then try going to page 2
20:36 rangi (using advanced search)
20:36 rangi this patch should fix this
20:39 rangi nengard: you signed off on the original patch so should be ok for you :-)
20:42 magnuse two dev installs on the same box - is it possible to run two z39.50/sru servers on the same port, differentiated by hostname? so and would be two distinct servers?
20:42 rangi they different ips?
20:42 rangi or 2 names that resolve to the same ip?
20:43 rangi (the answer is yes you can, but if they are the same ip, it does involve more work)
20:43 rangi if they resolve to the same ip
20:43 rangi you start the sru servers on 2 different ports
20:44 rangi then use mod_proxy in apache
20:44 rangi with named virtualhosts, to proxy to the appropriate one
20:44 rangi if they are different ips you just bind to that ip address
20:44 magnuse same ip...
20:44 rangi that make sense?
20:44 rangi yeah then you run them on different ports, 9997 and 9998 eg
20:45 rangi and then get apache listening on 9999, with 2 virtual hosts
20:45 rangi mod_proxying to the appropriate port
20:45 rangi something like this
20:45 magnuse ah hah, guess i better go read up on mod_proxy, then. thanks for the tip!
20:46 pastebot "rangi" at pasted "sample proxying" (7 lines) at
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20:46 rangi or you could do the same with nginx
20:47 magnuse do i have to open up 9997 and 9998 in iptables? or can apache "bridge" between 9999  and the "internal" ports? (not sure that made sense)
20:48 rangi no, run them on 9997 on localhost
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20:48 rangi and then mod_proxy to that
20:48 magnuse i see, thanks!
20:48 rangi think of it as DNAT
20:48 rangi :)
20:49 magnuse yeah, right... ;-)
20:51 schuster dnat is something that buzzes around my head right?
20:51 rangi once you get your head around proxying
20:52 schuster ;)
20:52 schuster Can I get someone else to do that for me... LOL...
20:52 rangi you'll start using it all over the place
20:53 rangi nengard++
20:53 rangi signed off already
20:54 rangi was a fairly nasty one, broke all the pagination for searches if you limited by itemtype
20:54 rangi broke the facets too
20:55 rangi fixed now
20:55 rangi @later tell chris_n you will want to cherry-pick the latest patch for bug 5693
20:55 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded.
20:56 magnuse seems to talk about creating virtual servers within <yazgfs> too: "In order to distinguish between the two a virtual host has been specified for each of server in the host elements."...
20:56 rangi ohh maybe you can then
20:57 rangi give that a try
21:00 magnuse hm, "element host (optional) - Specifies the virtual host for this server. If this is specified a client /must/ specify this host string in order to use this backend." not sure how to do that for a sru request?
21:00 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_5693' into kcmaster <[…]fb3df1ab4bd072ca1> / Bug 5693 : Follow up patch, escaping HTML in limit_cgi so "" dont break hrefs <[…]3c510d931dde34370>
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21:04 magnuse nah, i think that last one would only work if they were all/both defined as one server - what i want is two different servers listening on the same port. back to mod_proxy!
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21:06 cait hi all
21:06 magnuse guten abend cait
21:06 cait hi magnuse
21:07 cait still here?
21:07 wahanui hmmm... here is where I work
21:07 magnuse cait: nope, more like "here again" ;-)
21:07 cait chris_n: see your message, wonder why it does not work
21:08 cait magnuse: like me
21:08 jenkins_koha Starting build 42 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
21:09 magnuse cait: had some fun with your project management?
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21:09 cait hm
21:09 cait not so much
21:36 mtj heya cait and magnuse
21:37 magnuse kia ora mtj
21:37 cait heya mtj
21:37 mtj hows thing over there?
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21:39 cait late!
21:39 cait ;)
21:39 cait have to prepare a few things for tomorrow
21:40 cait how are things on your side of the world?
21:40 mtj pretty good here
21:41 mtj just finished some months of busy work
21:41 mtj so i have a little breather now...
21:41 cait :)
21:42 mtj hopefully have more time for Koha bugfixing/signing-off/sending-patches stuff
21:42 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #42: SUCCESS in 33 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_master/42/
21:42 jenkins_koha Chris Cormack: Bug 5693 : Follow up patch, escaping HTML in limit_cgi so "" dont break hrefs
21:42 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5693 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, reed, REOPENED, if parentheses used in ccode then searches against ccode fail
21:43 cait mtj: I hope for that too - next 2 weeks will be a bit crazy, but not so many things planned after that yet
21:43 magnuse just a little trip to mariseille? ;-)
21:44 magnuse marseille...
21:44 mtj ooh la la!
21:44 cait marseille means working on patches and code (I hope!)
21:44 cait I consider that fun :)
21:44 magnuse hehe :-)
21:45 mtj i have been thinking of many programming ideas for the project, in general
21:45 mtj and i really want a little time off, to do some of then
21:45 mtj and the website too
21:45 cait :)
21:47 mtj but more on that later, im gonna switch to some vserver work now....
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21:50 cait of course.. he leaves after he made me curious...
21:52 mtj well, none of my ideas ideas are more important than the patch backlog, so i wont waffle on about them now
21:53 * cait has to sign-off more patches...
21:53 mtj as do i
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21:54 mtj i am very close to finishing my urgent client-werk backlog… the first time ever , for me
21:55 cait uhoh
21:55 cait don't say that loud
21:55 cait everytime I say something like that my todo list fills up magically ;)
21:55 mtj ha, yeah - that was tempting fate!
21:56 mtj *nod* yep, me too
21:57 mtj such a silly thing to say, lol
21:57 magnuse g'night #koha
21:57 mtj i have been 'very close' to finishing urgent client-werk, many many times, of course :)
21:58 mtj sleep well magnuse
21:58 cait good night magnuse!
21:58 mtj back to it….
21:58 eythian jcamins: what problems did you have with it?
21:59 eythian I have it deployed and working on some of our systems
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22:01 jcamins It didn't seem to create the user.
22:01 cait yep it didn't
22:01 cait and I managed to get a install I couldn't start nor koha-remove
22:02 jcamins I was on Ubuntu, so maybe that's why.
22:02 cait me too :)
22:02 eythian jcamins: what was the error message it gave you?
22:03 eythian Currently if the koha-create fails, you can end up with a half-created system that has to be cleaned up manually, it's a pain and something I intend to fix.
22:03 jcamins It didn't give me any error on installation.
22:04 jcamins And unfortunately I didn't think to copy the error I got when I tried to reindex.
22:04 eythian what about when running 'koha-create'?
22:04 jcamins I used the koha package.
22:04 eythian koha-create is part of the package :)
22:05 eythian or, did you use the 'koha' package?
22:05 jcamins The latter.
22:05 eythian I don't use that, I just use koha-common. The koha package still needs a lot of polish that I haven't had time for
22:05 jcamins I guess I'll know for next time to use 'koha-common'?
22:05 jcamins Ah.
22:05 jcamins We should probably note that 'koha-common' is preferred, even for simple installations.
22:05 cait eythian: I used koha-common :(
22:06 eythian cait: and what errors did you get?
22:06 cait um
22:06 cait perhaps I can try to do it again when you are around?
22:06 eythian koha-common gives you a blank setup, you need to create a file (which I plan to include a default version of soon) and then koha-create *libraryname* should magically work
22:07 cait it did only work when there was a user called like my libraryname
22:07 eythian it should create a user 'libraryname-koha'
22:07 cait and I am not sure I had the right settings in the conf file I created
22:08 eythian[…]tep:_Install_Koha <-- this section is a good guide
22:08 cait yep, I got a bit farther with that
22:08 cait I think it was apache or me not ifguring out the right urls
22:09 eythian hmm OK
22:09 eythian if you try again and grab the errors, let me know, I'd be interested. I've been a bit too snowed under with work to do a lot of testing lately
22:09 jcamins My problem must have been the koha package.
22:09 jcamins *'koha'
22:10 jcamins I've installed it successfully before, but maybe I used 'koha-common'
22:10 cait I will try again sometime soon. I still have a clean snapshot
22:10 cait eythian: I am quite sure it was something I have done wrong
22:11 eythian yeah, what I've been trying to do is have the koha package set up a default installation on top of koha-common, but it turned out to be harder than I thought, so it's still half finished.
22:11 eythian cait: that may be, it doesn't mean it's not something that I can fix for everyone else who does the same thing wrong ;)
22:11 cait ok :)
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22:11 jcamins Good night, #koha
22:11 jcamins is now known as jcamins_away
22:12 eythian jcamins_away: cya
22:12 cait jcamins_away: sleep well
22:19 cait hm, someone awake who knows which circ rules are taken for opac reneals and if this can be configured?
22:22 mtj cait:[…]/koha/ ›[…]min/ › Circulation and Fine Rules
22:22 mtj 'Renewals Allowed (count)'
22:23 cait mtj: I know :) the problem is: borrower from branch b, checks out item owned by branch a at branch c
22:23 cait he does renew on opac: which rule is taken?
22:24 mtj ah, great question, i think 'branch A'
22:24 mtj but i'd have to check
22:25 cait yeah, requires some testing -
22:43 jenkins_koha Starting build 6 for job Koha_3.2.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #3 8 j 22 h ago)
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22:55 rangi heya brendan_
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22:59 space_librarian any reason why the demo sites on the Koha-community page are down? Or is it just me?
23:02 eythian space_librarian: because our one isn't on there :)
23:02 eythian space_librarian:
23:02 eythian I really need to update the database on that some time
23:03 space_librarian great. massacres averted.
23:03 rangi the bywater ones are running master, mykoha is running 3.2.x
23:03 rangi different
23:03 space_librarian good to know
23:04 * mtj has plans for a demo site too
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23:10 rangi druthb: ahhh just the woman :)
23:10 druthb uhoh.
23:11 cait hi druthb
23:11 rangi  <-- appears to be down
23:16 druthb it does.  Thanks for letting me know, rangi.  I have told it to reboot itself; let's see what happens.
23:16 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed!
23:16 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.2.x build #6: FIXED in 33 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]job/Koha_3.2.x/6/
23:16 rangi yay!
23:17 cait yay :)
23:24 druthb The demo seems to be back up; it is responding, and answering search requests.  Thanks again, rangi.
23:24 rangi np
23:38 mtj druthb:  pssst... nagios
23:39 cait time to sleep
23:39 cait bye all
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23:39 druthb mtj:  We've been deploying that, actually...jcamins has been working on that.  :)
23:41 mtj yeah, its a good one for host-down type alerts/emails, etc
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23:42 * eythian is just looking at plans to build a proper monitoring system
23:42 eythian that gets info from the guts of koha, e.g. makes sure search is working, etc.
23:53 * druthb dances around happily.
23:55 * druthb just got handed a signal honor.  I'm lovin' this.
23:57 mtj eythian: sweet news
23:58 mtj ive been thinking of a munin plugin to monitor issue/returns graphing for … ages
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23:59 mtj and a munin zebra_queue graph, could be useful too

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