Time  Nick            Message
00:16 druthb          gmcharlt++
03:19 kmkale          Namaskar #koha
03:19 kmkale          My heart goes out to Japan
03:19 druthb          hi, kmkale
03:20 kmkale          hi druthb
03:22 huginn          New commit(s) kohagit: Bumping db version <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f463d241d2b0308dd08a54cb94f911c92913d170> / Bug 5669: Adding a system preference to control whether a user can select a pick... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c88f43fc6763b755b734fbfc5d5404051305d5db>
03:23 jenkins_koha    Starting build 39 for job Koha_master (previous build: ABORTED -- last SUCCESS #37 19 h ago)
03:39 mtj             evening all
03:53 kmkale          hi mtj
03:55 * druthb        is very occasionally somewhat ashamed to be an American--for instance, when some of my countrymen and women assert that the earthquakes and reactor problems in Japan are "paybacks" for Pearl Harbor.  Insensitive, uncompassionate, clueless, *morons*.
03:56 kmkale          whut???
03:57 druthb          It's a meme that's made the rounds on twitter and facebook some.  Mostly in the less-educated circles.  No one on my list, thank goodness, because I'd have to just stomp on that;
03:57 jenkins_koha    Project Koha_master build #39: SUCCESS in 33 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/39/
03:57 jenkins_koha    * Chris Cormack: Bug 5669: Adding a system preference to control whether a user can select a pick branch for their hold or not
03:57 jenkins_koha    * Chris Cormack: Bumping db version
03:57 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5669 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED, Holds pick up location - System preference
03:57 kmkale          there are fools everywhere
04:04 ibeardslee      that sort of attitude is one of the reasons I've never taken up my USA passport
04:07 druthb          I think the vast majority of Americans are basically-good folk, mostly--but the ones that are not really stand out with how spectacularly far out in left field they are.
04:07 rangi           or right field as the case may be :)
04:07 druthb          heh
04:08 druthb          hi, rangi! :)
04:08 rangi           heya druthb
04:08 ibeardslee      mind you I don't think the USA can stake a claim to having all the nutters
04:09 druthb          I had dinner with gmcharlt and his lovely wife this afternoon.  I postulate that he is powered by a small singularity.
04:10 eythian         "speaking of nutters..." ;)
04:11 druthb          It was good to see him, and only an hour's drive out of my way to do so.
04:14 rangi           http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/4767193/Orca-display-in-Wellington
04:15 druthb          :)
04:23 kmkale          I visited five hotels yesterday
04:23 kmkale          hope to put up that info on the conference site today
04:23 eythian         kmkale: make sure you sort them by the quality of the wifi offering
04:24 kmkale          ok. its quality of beds I am checking out first :)
04:24 kmkale          no worries though. they are all good
04:24 kmkale          all offer wifi
04:24 kmkale          one major question
04:24 druthb          beds++; at code4lib, the bed I got was so smooshy I ended up sleeping on the floor....
04:25 kmkale          do people pferer single occupancy or are they willing to share in a double occupancy ??
04:25 eythian         I think the only answer there is "both"
04:26 eythian         I'd just put down what options there are, let people decide.
04:26 druthb          yes; both.  I'm willing to share, but that's just me...others' mileage may vary.
04:26 kmkale          need to know. so going to put up a small form today asking people to iindicate that choice
04:26 eythian         well, different people have different levels of privacy.
04:26 eythian         or sensitivity to snoring
04:26 eythian         (or volume of snoring :)
04:27 * druthb        giggles
04:27 kmkale          as almost all hotels in Thane are 20 rooms or there about. Two of the biggest ones have 45 and 65
05:08 cait            hi #koha
05:08 kmkale          hi cait
05:08 cait            hi kmkale
05:09 druthb          hi, cait. :)
05:11 cait            hi druthb :)
05:55 cait            morning fredericd
05:57 eythian         yay, we've just moved a group of libraries from the shackles of Liberty to Koha
05:57 eythian         (I just wanted to say "shackles of Liberty" :)
05:59 cait            hehe
05:59 cait            congratulations :)
06:00 eythian         they're really quite happy with it too, which is good.
06:01 cait            yep
06:30 kmkale          Shackles of Liberty!! I always thought we get liberty once shackles were broken. ;)
06:34 eythian         Trust me, you should avoid Liberty� if you possibly can :)
06:38 cait            eythian: did you see my comment on your bug?
06:38 cait            the one with .gitignore in the patch file?
06:41 eythian         cait: yeah, I did. If I get time tomorrow or Wednesday I'll look at it, but I might be busy until then (and after that I'm off to the Solomon Islands to do some training there for a week, so if I don't get to it then, it'll be a little while)
06:41 cait            it's ok
06:41 cait            solomon islands? nice :)
06:41 eythian         yeah, it should be fun :)
06:44 kmkale          bbl
07:31 kf              hi #koha
07:45 rangi           kf: you got a second?
07:46 rangi           ahh nevermind figured it out
07:50 paul_p          hello everybody
07:50 rangi           hi paul_p
07:50 hdl             hi all
07:53 huginn          New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5848: Same position for the tabs of Normal, MARC and ISBD view in opac detail <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1ff13b5aa664243f2e9e82c7af51e8d48ec906d9> / Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_4438' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2c470899b3f0191b9597d713e895b9240fe1d137> / bug4438/MT5496 budget Exceeds total allocation <http://git.koha-community.o
07:53 francharb       hello #koha
07:53 kf              kf: yes
07:53 jenkins_koha    Starting build 40 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
07:53 kf              rangi: yes
07:53 kf              talking to myself does not work...
07:54 kf              rangi: now I am curious about your question ;)
07:55 rangi           just was trying to figure out what the patch for 5819 was, because it didnt have the bug number in the commit message
07:55 * rangi         amended it to add the bug number
07:57 kf              oh
07:57 kf              thought I had done that
07:57 kf              probably forgot to format-patch again
07:58 kf              bug 5819
07:58 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5819 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, januszop, ASSIGNED, No toolbar in record view when quotes present in title
07:58 kf              ah no, this was another bug - sorry
08:00 rangi           paul_p: just one thing for your weekly emails
08:00 rangi           i dont want people to close bugs, just mark resolved fixed
08:00 paul_p          rangi, yep
08:01 rangi           ill close them when i release
08:01 rangi           so test and mark resolved is cool
08:01 paul_p          ok, will change the term for the next mail.
08:01 rangi           cool thank you :)
08:03 huginn          New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5819 : No toolbar in record view when quotes present in title - fix <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d6e580439be3382af88aed5e3ba9f7e3e8876f0b>
08:13 huginn          New commit(s) kohagit: Bumping database version <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=70513529554a296d552262006f6478bcb4e19a80> / Bug 3670: change 'Item DUE' to 'Item Due' in English dbs <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=07b9125861c2d57f787f3bd3d598dcbd652b030b>
08:28 jenkins_koha    Project Koha_master build #40: SUCCESS in 34 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/40/
08:28 jenkins_koha    * Henri-Damien LAURENT: bug4438/MT5496 budget Exceeds total allocation
08:28 jenkins_koha    * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 5848: Same position for the tabs of Normal, MARC and ISBD view in opac detail
08:28 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5848 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, m.de.rooy, ASSIGNED, Same position for the tabs of Normal, MARC and ISBD view in opac detail
08:28 jenkins_koha    Starting build 41 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
08:32 kf              rangi++
09:01 jenkins_koha    Project Koha_master build #41: SUCCESS in 33 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/41/
09:01 jenkins_koha    * Janusz Kaczmarek: Bug 5819 : No toolbar in record view when quotes present in title - fix
09:01 jenkins_koha    * Nicole Engard: Bug 3670: change 'Item DUE' to 'Item Due' in English dbs
09:01 jenkins_koha    * Chris Cormack: Bumping database version
09:01 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5819 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, januszop, ASSIGNED, No toolbar in record view when quotes present in title
09:01 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3670 trivial, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, REOPENED, Why is DUE all caps on enhanced messages
10:46 kf              hmpf
10:46 kf              it seems item due can not interpret branches for digest, only for single item due mails.
10:53 * magnuse       is surprised to see the contents of subscriptionhistory.librariannote show up in the opac...
10:54 hdl1            should not be
10:55 kmkale          http://www.abc.net.au/news/events/japan-quake-2011/beforeafter.htm
10:56 magnuse         hdl1: further investigations reveals it's most probably a problem with the data...
11:03 hdl             no nickserv here ?
11:06 mtj             hdl: nickserv works for me
11:06 hdl             worked silently for me..
11:09 kf              *sighs*
11:09 kf              is there any reason there would be no hold message during check-in?
11:11 mtj             if the item is not on hold...?
11:11 kf              it is
11:11 mtj             or a circ rule, prolly
11:11 kf              placing the hold works without any errormessage
11:11 kf              but return somehow does not trigger it
11:20 mtj             hmm, pass on that one
11:26 kf              mtj: still have no idea, but test on my production system was ok - will ignore the problem on my test installation for now
11:27 kf              hi JesseM
11:27 JesseM          Morning kf
11:29 JesseM          morning nengard
11:30 nengard         morning JesseM
11:30 nengard         slef around?
11:32 kf              hi nengard
11:38 nengard         hiya kf
11:39 nengard         @later tell slef the faq should be open for anyone to add to once logged into the admin area of the Koha site, if not you can add it to the manual in git and I'll put it on the site later, or you can just email me whatever and I'll add it in both places
11:39 huginn          nengard: The operation succeeded.
12:02 hdl             hi all
12:04 kf              hi hdl :)
12:07 JesseM          morning NateC
12:08 NateC           morning JesseM and #koha!
12:19 magnuse         argh, lost power twice today - i'm definitely buying an ups later today!
12:23 jcamins         Good morning, #koha
12:23 magnuse         hiya jcamins
12:37 jcamins         @later tell eythian If you get a chance, could you check that the latest Koha package works? I'm wondering if the reason kf and I both had trouble wasn't that there is some sort of corruption.
12:37 huginn          jcamins: The operation succeeded.
12:40 nengard         so many commits this weekend!! I'm so excited to get to updating the manual :)
12:40 jcamins         Help! The packages didn't work, and now I can't do an install from git.
12:40 * nengard       is a geek
12:41 kf              nengard++ for being a geek :)
12:41 nengard         hehe :)
12:41 kf              jcamins: what is the problem?
12:41 wahanui         the problem is, like, its human beings doing it
12:41 jcamins         wahanui: thanks.
12:41 wahanui         jcamins: my pleasure
12:41 kf              sometimes he really surprises me
12:41 paul_p          hi nengard, & congrats for your new position ( geek :D )
12:42 nengard         paul_p that's not new - I was born that way :) hehe
12:42 jcamins         kf: perl Makefile.PL insists on trying to read the koha-conf that the package set up.
12:42 kf              nengard: I didn't want to go to work today because I wanted to work on my bugs and patches...
12:42 nengard         kf++ for also being a geek
12:42 jcamins         Ah-ha.
12:42 jcamins         I just deleted it, and that worked.
12:42 kf              hehe thx - just saying I know how you feel. :)
12:53 * jcamins       rebuilds zebra
13:11 magnuse         has anyone else seen situations where opac-detail.pl shows more than one list of issues for a serial, even though there is only one subscription associated with the biblionumber?
13:15 kf              magnuse: sorry no
13:15 magnuse         kf, nah, that's good for you! ;-)
13:19 kf              magnuse: yes... but want to help :)
13:19 magnuse         kf: much appreciated!
14:01 oleonard        We just noticed a bug where there are instances of "&amp;" in search results
14:01 oleonard        This one is new to me, can't find a big report for it
14:01 Guest324        we've seen that too, they told us it was something with our records.
14:02 oleonard        http://search.myacpl.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=big+wolf+little+wolf
14:02 oleonard        Weird how it's inconsistent. Result 1 and 2 vs. Result 3
14:02 jwagner         owen, we saw & reported that a long time ago -- David Birmingham did a fix.  It should be in head.
14:02 jcamins         oleonard: that's creepy.
14:02 jcamins         I just wrote an e-mail about that issue.
14:03 jcamins         It's a bug in Zebra.
14:03 oleonard        jcamins: I saw that it was an existing ticket in your system, so I was surprised not to find an official bug report
14:03 jwagner         Trying to find our bug number
14:03 jcamins         Bug 3326
14:03 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3326 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED, xml entity refs display incorrectly in results page if exported and indexed as xml
14:04 oleonard        Ah, well no wonder. Greek to me :)
14:04 oleonard        jcamins: Any idea about the patch mentioned in that bug report?
14:05 schuster        I've seen this but couldn't figure out how to explain it!
14:07 jcamins         oleonard: the problem is that the patch doesn't actually correct the problem.
14:07 wizzyrea        it doesn't for non-xslt anyway
14:07 wizzyrea        er
14:07 wizzyrea        other way round
14:07 jcamins         wizzyrea: doesn't at all. :(
14:07 wizzyrea        (that's what the patch author says) ohh, that sucks.
14:07 jwagner         Drat. I can't find our bugzilla entry, but I know it's about a year & a half old and dealt specifically with this problem -- XSLT showing &amp; instead of &
14:07 jcamins         There are search ramifications too.
14:08 JesseM          if they cancel with theri current vendor do they get money retro back?
14:08 jcamins         JesseM: ww
14:08 JesseM          sry sry syr
14:08 jcamins         I had an idea how to fix the search ramifications, but that would still leave the display.
14:11 jwagner         oleonard, in current head, do git show 77141dab35e07d488efb326c9694c8d4d3f914fe for David's patch on the ampersand
14:11 jwagner         Oops, that one was for branchcode.  Let me try again.
14:12 jwagner         Actually, it was for both problems.  It does $xmlrecord =~ s/\& /\&amp\; /;
14:13 jcamins         Ohhh.
14:14 * jcamins       has just realized that he might be able to fix the display after all.
14:14 wizzyrea        \o/
14:15 jcamins         Okay, negative lookahead in Perl?
14:15 jcamins         Like this: ?=whatever
14:15 jcamins         No, ?!whatever
14:19 Barrc           Hello all - another SIP question.....I noticed the SIP implementation doesn't send back title information in the 64 string (if the summary string is sent to look for it) only item barcode
14:19 Barrc           Is this by design?
14:20 jcamins         Does anyone have a MARC record which includes a URL which has an ampersand that doesn't currently work in Koha?
14:22 jcamins         I'll take that as a "no."
14:22 jcamins         Does anyone have any suggestions where I could find a URL that has an ampersand in it to stick in a MARC record?
14:22 Barrc           Do you mean a URL in a tag in a MARC record?
14:23 jcamins         Right.
14:23 wizzyrea        owen sent one
14:23 wizzyrea        you could download it from his catalog
14:23 wizzyrea        http://search.myacpl.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=big+wolf+little+wolf
14:23 slef            gmcharlt: alive?
14:23 Barrc           Search Amazon for a book, the URL should have an ampersand in it
14:23 gmcharlt        slef: not dead yet
14:23 wizzyrea        http://search.myacpl.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=233571
14:23 Barrc           http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=perl&x=0&y=0
14:23 wizzyrea        save record
14:24 jcamins         Barrc: ooh, good call!
14:24 slef            gmcharlt: I'm just bringing up my notes on this MARC control-character crash thing.
14:24 jcamins         wizzyrea: I'm looking for an ampersand in a URL, and my head is still fuzzy and I couldn't figure out where to find one.
14:24 wizzyrea        oh sorry url
14:24 wizzyrea        not a title
14:24 wizzyrea        i'm not so sharpish myself
14:25 slef            gmcharlt: the problem I have is that Koha crashes, so I don't see a fault being logged anywhere IIRC
14:26 gmcharlt        slef: not even the Apache error log?
14:26 slef            gmcharlt: apache error log just says (20014)Internal error: Error reading request entity data
14:27 gmcharlt        hmm
14:27 gmcharlt        can you provide a copy of the MARC record that's triggering this?
14:27 slef            trying to find one
14:28 slef            I fear it's not a clear as a single MARC record. I think it's some interaction with Koha's authorities management :-/
14:29 slef            oh whoops
14:29 slef            I just went to type a control character into Koha. I typed control-q first (because that's how to type a literal control character in Emacs)... you can guess what happened next :-/
14:30 slef            I HATE THE RUBBISH WINDOWS USER INTERFACE AND HOW IT IS SLOWLY SCREWING UP GNU</rant>
14:31 slef            I'd install something other than Iceweasel/Firefox if I had time.
14:32 slef            Well, the last record my most recently-affected user reports crashes Koha didn't crash it for me :-/
14:33 slef            Trying another one which I'm sure previously crashed it.
14:35 slef            ok, it's something connected to authorities :-/
14:35 jcamins         Preliminary testing suggests that this may have fixed it.
14:35 jcamins         No, never mind. Preliminary testing suggests that Amazon understands "&amp;"
14:36 gmcharlt        jcamins: regarding your question, I have a patch in the works to update the default MARC21 framework
14:36 jcamins         gmcharlt++
14:37 jcamins         Hooray!
14:37 gmcharlt        it will also make it possible to automatically pull updates, at least until LC changes the format of the MARC21 manual again
14:37 jcamins         That would be excellent!
14:38 jcamins         Ugh. Preliminary testing suggests that every website I try understands &amp;
14:39 jcamins         Or possibly Chrome replaces it.
14:40 gmcharlt        jcamins: odd; that would be fairly bad breakage on Chrome's part
14:41 jcamins         It works fine in Firefox too. Apparently one has to *work* to find a website that breaks when you use a link that includes "&amp;"
14:41 magnuse         gmcharlt: any idea what happened to the categories below the textarea in the wiki? http://wiki.koha-community.org/w/index.php?title=Main_Page&action=edit
14:42 gmcharlt        magnuse: glitch with the upgrade of extension that manages them; should be fixed shortly
14:42 magnuse         gmcharlt: great!
14:54 jcamins         Where does the XSLT get processed into the results display?
14:56 jcamins         Ah-ha.
14:56 jcamins         Search.pm.
14:56 wahanui         search.pm is complicated and has been the source of much contention in the wake of KohaCon with BibLibre rewriting it for Solr/Lucene instead of Zebra support.
14:57 jcamins         Complicated?
14:57 jcamins         wahanui: Complicated is far too mild a term to describe Search.pm.
14:57 wahanui         OK, jcamins.
14:58 jcamins         Are there any side effects to adding a parameter to a method?
14:59 magnuse         Complicated?
14:59 wahanui         Complicated is far too mild a term to describe Search.pm.
15:01 kf              wahanui botsnack cookie
15:01 wahanui         :)
15:02 jcamins         Wait, XSLTResultsDisplay doesn't do anything?
15:02 * jcamins       never knew this.
15:03 magnuse         jcamins: isn't that the one that gives you an error if you turn it on? because the corresponding xslt file is missing?
15:04 jcamins         magnuse: I don't know. There's a FIXME note in Search.pm saying it's not implemented.
15:04 jcamins         So, probably.
15:04 jcamins         Argh!
15:04 kf              jcamins: only in intranet
15:04 jcamins         All that patching, and _now_ I realize that I'm in the wrong system, and can't send my patch.
15:04 kf              jcamins: there is no xslt file for intranet, but should not give you a warning, just do nothing
15:04 magnuse         jcamins: i think you get the error in the staff side search if you turn it on
15:04 oleonard        FIXMEs are so useful.
15:19 nengard         hi all, i need git help ... again
15:20 nengard         i updated the wrong version of the manual and i want to revert the changes to my 3.2 manual branch to what it is in git
15:20 nengard         i did a git reset --soft HEAD^
15:20 nengard         and it still says the files are altered
15:20 nengard         i also did git reset --hard origin
15:20 nengard         but it's saying that it's at the commit i don't want
15:22 kf              hm, I think --hard HEAD^ should make the last one go
15:23 nengard         kf that did it!!
15:23 nengard         thanks :)
15:23 kf              :)
15:37 nengard         kf for bug 3495 are you adding the fast cataloging link to a page other than the circ home? cause i see it on the circ home - just wondering where to look to test
15:37 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3495 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jwagner, ASSIGNED, Fast bib record add at circulation
15:38 kf              nengard: try to checkout an unknown barcode
15:39 kf              the permissions work like on circ-home - you see it as superlibrarian and with fast cataloging rights
15:39 nengard         bingo :)
15:40 kf              it's something we had in horizon - but I would love to have a framework that it's even less complicated. like 5-6 fields and item and biblio on one small popup
15:40 kf              it's still not really fast
15:41 nengard         kf, i have a 'fast' fast add framework
15:41 nengard         i worked to shorted the one that was on there
15:41 nengard         shortened
15:42 nengard         i'll gladly share it once the import/export function is in place :)
15:42 nengard         i shortened the item record and the bib record to only the fields needed at the circ desk
15:45 kf              nengard: :)
16:18 ronald          hello
16:19 ronald          i have a problem
16:19 oleonard        Hi ronald
16:19 ronald          hi oleonard
16:19 tcohen          hi #koha
16:23 wizzyrea        kf nengard I was looking at signing off on that one too
16:23 wizzyrea        on 3495
16:23 wizzyrea        but I couldn't find it either
16:24 tomascohen      hi #koha
16:24 tomascohen      i wanted to start working on bug 906
16:24 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=906 enhancement, P2, ---, chris, NEW, ISBN Check
16:24 tomascohen      and wanted to reach some sort of agreement
16:24 tcohen          i wanted to start working on bug 906
16:24 tcohen          (ISBN Check)
16:24 tcohen          and wanted to reach some sort of agreement
16:24 tomascohen      on what to check
16:24 tomascohen      i.e. consistency with isbn10/13 definition
16:25 mib_ffc7ko      ??
16:25 mib_ffc7ko      hi
16:25 wahanui         privet, mib_ffc7ko
16:25 mib_ffc7ko      hi wahanui
16:25 Barrc           Just putting this out again - in case there are more people around now!
16:25 Barrc           I noticed the SIP implementation doesn't send back title information in the 64 string (if the summary string is sent to look for it) only item barcode
16:26 wizzyrea        have you filed a bug?
16:26 ronald          hi
16:26 ronald          install the new koha
16:26 ronald          but i have a problem
16:26 wizzyrea        at bugs.koha-community.org
16:26 Barrc           wizzyrea: Is that to me?
16:26 wizzyrea        yes, sorry
16:26 ronald          I can not see my searches
16:26 ronald          can someone help??
16:26 ronald          i have a proble whit the new koha
16:26 ronald          dont search nothind
16:27 jcamins         searching faq?
16:27 wahanui         searching faq is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/searching/
16:27 jcamins         ronald: ^^
16:27 ronald          i have a problema whit the new koha...can someone help me
16:27 wizzyrea        haha i forgot that wahanui had that one
16:27 wizzyrea        searching faq?
16:27 wahanui         searching faq is probably at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/searching/
16:27 Barrc           Nope, I will though. I just wondered if anyone thinks it is a bug. The SIP 2 spec doesn't actually specify the requirement either way. Alot (all) other ILS that I know send back the title though
16:27 jcamins         wizzyrea: that was the link that inspired chris to set up wahanui, I think.
16:28 wizzyrea        if you want it to do it, 1. file a bug and 2. send a patch (if you can)
16:28 * wizzyrea      channels rangi
16:31 * oleonard      hopes ronald found the link useful
16:33 mib_mu6462      ??
16:33 mib_mu6462      any someone help me?
16:33 oleonard        What is your question mib_mu6462 ?
16:34 ronald          hi
16:34 ronald          any someone help me?
16:34 ronald          i install the new koha
16:34 oleonard        ronald: Someone suggested a link to you: http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/searching/
16:34 jcamins         ronald: you should look at that page that wahanui gave you the link for.
16:35 mib_mu6462      record amount
16:35 mib_mu6462      but i try search
16:35 mib_mu6462      and dont show me nothind
16:36 tcohen          anyone wants to talk about bug 906 today?
16:36 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=906 enhancement, P2, ---, chris, NEW, ISBN Check
16:36 wizzyrea        mib_mu6462: http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/searching/
16:36 wizzyrea        please have a look there
16:37 slef            tcohen: I'm with you: what should we do? Warn? Refuse it?
16:37 slef            tcohen: also should we be validating the calculation or verifying it with some outside source?  Bug report is a bit vague.
16:37 tcohen          slef: the only use for this is notify the publisher there is a mistake
16:38 tcohen          so I think we should warn
16:38 tcohen          if there was a database to check to
16:38 tcohen          we could also ask (webservice) if the ISBN is valid
16:38 tcohen          even if it is *incorrect*
16:40 tcohen          there is a javascript library (mit license) i will use fr checking ISBN validity
16:41 tcohen          the pieces i'm missing are: (a)warn vs. refusal (b) check outside ISBN databae (have no clue on where to check)
16:49 oleonard        nengard: Are you sure unapproved tags were showing up on the detail and results pages for the logged in user? I don't remember that, but I do remember that they showed up on the tags page.
16:49 nengard         yup, i'm sure
16:50 nengard         cause i documented it as such in 3.0
16:50 nengard         it's not a big deal really, just something that was there in the normal view -back before we had XSLT (i think)
16:52 oleonard        I agree that it should behave as you remember it.
16:52 oleonard        Otherwise people will be trying to add tags they've already added.
16:53 jcamins         nengard: I don't think tags are displayed by the XSLT, are they?
16:53 jcamins         I mean, it's done in Perl.
16:53 cait            I think it's below the xslt display
16:53 cait            and agree with oleonard and nengard - there should be a message to the user about tags pending approval
16:53 nengard         k -then it's not xslt related, but they were there
16:56 cait            time to learn something about project management :) see you all later!
17:19 slef            tcohen: I think it's worth asking a list. I hope some librarians will answer
17:20 * slef          looks puzzledly at cait
17:38 * jcamins       wonders why his cat only engages in distressing behaviors when he's home alone with the cat.
17:41 * jcamins       theorizes it's because the cat knows that jcamins won't know what to do about really weird behaviors.
17:45 gmcharlt        very considerate, I guess
17:45 gmcharlt        or something
17:46 jcamins         Yeah, maximizing the panic is good. ;)
17:49 chris_n         cait: about?
17:54 chris_n         @later tell cait the patch for bug 1962 still does not apply; it appears the problem is in returns.tmpl about line 58 or so
17:54 huginn          chris_n: The operation succeeded.
18:08 jenkins_koha    Starting build 5 for job Koha_3.2.x (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #3 8 j 17 h ago)
18:10 huginn          New commit(s) kohagit32: Updating Version Number to 3.02.05.003 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ad89cd6b4abc3b3d9065e58116dee26f582b4fe5> / Bug 3670: change 'Item DUE' to 'Item Due' in English dbs <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6f957960483d71637a789a323bb42da289aba056> / Bug 5819 : No toolbar in record view when quotes present in title - fix <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?
18:26 rangi           chris_n: did you catch my fix for 5595
18:26 rangi           that should get the tests passing again
18:27 chris_n         rangi: got it, tnx
18:27 chris_n         all pushed up
18:27 rangi           cool
18:27 chris_n         man the ring of fire struck again, eh?
18:27 wizzyrea        :(
18:29 rangi           yep
18:30 jcamins         chris_n++ # for daring to delve into the label creator code.
18:30 * chris_n       must own a great part of the responsibility for that section of code :-S
18:30 oleonard        Hi rangi and chris_n
18:31 chris_n         heya oleonard
18:31 wahanui         oleonard is, like, the master UI designer of koha
18:32 rangi           http://i.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/japan-earthquake/4768158/Student-cycles-through-Japanese-earthquake-rubble-to-get-to-NZ
18:34 rangi           I'm only reading stories like that now
18:34 rangi           the others are too depressing
18:42 jenkins_koha    Project Koha_3.2.x build #5: STILL UNSTABLE in 33 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.2.x/5/
18:42 jenkins_koha    * Chris Cormack: Adding release dates and 2 new developers
18:42 jenkins_koha    * Chris Cormack: Bug 5595 : Fixing a security glitch (please always use placeholders or
18:42 jenkins_koha    * Henri-Damien LAURENT: bug4438/MT5496 budget Exceeds total allocation
18:42 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5595 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED, can't search 'searchable' patron attributes
18:42 jenkins_koha    * Janusz Kaczmarek: Bug 5819 : No toolbar in record view when quotes present in title - fix
18:42 jenkins_koha    * Nicole Engard: Bug 3670: change 'Item DUE' to 'Item Due' in English dbs
18:42 jenkins_koha    * Chris Nighswonger: Updating Version Number to 3.02.05.003
18:42 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5819 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, januszop, RESOLVED FIXED, No toolbar in record view when quotes present in title
18:42 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3670 trivial, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, RESOLVED FIXED, Why is DUE all caps on enhanced messages
19:28 * slef          and sekjal coordination comedy continues. sekjal afk today; slef afk tomorrow. Yay for asynchronous participation.
19:32 gmcharlt        "and after many years of research, historians figured out that the practice of implanting keyboards in people's arms dates from this minor incident in 2011"
19:32 * wizzyrea      giggles
19:32 wizzyrea        i've been wanting to, for days, make a National Geographic type comment regarding the elusive rangi ;)
19:33 rangi           what
19:33 rangi           im always here
19:33 rangi           i just dont answer you when you are too boring
19:33 rangi           :P
19:33 wizzyrea        :P indeed
19:33 chris_n         hehe
19:34 schuster        hehe...
20:18 druthb          @seen cait
20:18 huginn          druthb: cait was last seen in #koha 3 hours, 22 minutes, and 35 seconds ago: <cait> time to learn something about project management :) see you all later!
20:31 rangi           anyone got time to sign a patch off for me?
20:32 jcamins         rangi: what's the patch?
20:32 wahanui         the patch is probably pretty old now, good luck
20:32 nengard         rangi depends on the patch :)
20:32 rangi           will be just hitting the list now
20:32 rangi           bug 5693
20:32 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5693 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, reed, REOPENED, if parentheses used in ccode then searches against ccode fail
20:35 rangi           that fix for parentheses, broke the page number .. try doing a search and limit it to itemtype or ccode
20:36 rangi           then try going to page 2
20:36 rangi           (using advanced search)
20:36 rangi           this patch should fix this
20:39 rangi           nengard: you signed off on the original patch so should be ok for you :-)
20:42 magnuse         two dev installs on the same box - is it possible to run two z39.50/sru servers on the same port, differentiated by hostname? so a.example.com:9999/biblios and b.example.com:9999/biblios would be two distinct servers?
20:42 rangi           they different ips?
20:42 rangi           or 2 names that resolve to the same ip?
20:43 rangi           (the answer is yes you can, but if they are the same ip, it does involve more work)
20:43 rangi           if they resolve to the same ip
20:43 rangi           you start the sru servers on 2 different ports
20:44 rangi           then use mod_proxy in apache
20:44 rangi           with named virtualhosts, to proxy to the appropriate one
20:44 rangi           if they are different ips you just bind to that ip address
20:44 magnuse         same ip...
20:44 rangi           that make sense?
20:44 rangi           yeah then you run them on different ports, 9997 and 9998 eg
20:45 rangi           and then get apache listening on 9999, with 2 virtual hosts
20:45 rangi           mod_proxying to the appropriate port
20:45 rangi           something like this
20:45 magnuse         ah hah, guess i better go read up on mod_proxy, then. thanks for the tip!
20:46 pastebot        "rangi" at 202.78.240.7 pasted "sample proxying" (7 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/173
20:46 rangi           or you could do the same with nginx
20:47 magnuse         do i have to open up 9997 and 9998 in iptables? or can apache "bridge" between 9999  and the "internal" ports? (not sure that made sense)
20:48 rangi           no, run them on 9997 on localhost
20:48 rangi           and then mod_proxy to that
20:48 magnuse         i see, thanks!
20:48 rangi           think of it as DNAT
20:48 rangi           :)
20:49 magnuse         yeah, right... ;-)
20:51 schuster        dnat is something that buzzes around my head right?
20:51 rangi           once you get your head around proxying
20:52 schuster        ;)
20:52 schuster        Can I get someone else to do that for me... LOL...
20:52 rangi           you'll start using it all over the place
20:53 rangi           nengard++
20:53 rangi           signed off already
20:54 rangi           was a fairly nasty one, broke all the pagination for searches if you limited by itemtype
20:54 rangi           broke the facets too
20:55 rangi           fixed now
20:55 rangi           @later tell chris_n you will want to cherry-pick the latest patch for bug 5693
20:55 huginn          rangi: The operation succeeded.
20:56 magnuse         http://www.indexdata.com/zebra/doc/zebrasrv.html seems to talk about creating virtual servers within <yazgfs> too: "In order to distinguish between the two a virtual host has been specified for each of server in the host elements."...
20:56 rangi           ohh maybe you can then
20:57 rangi           give that a try
21:00 magnuse         hm, "element host (optional) - Specifies the virtual host for this server. If this is specified a client /must/ specify this host string in order to use this backend." not sure how to do that for a sru request?
21:00 huginn          New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_5693' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=fc2fe083fcc34742a1f80e3fb3df1ab4bd072ca1> / Bug 5693 : Follow up patch, escaping HTML in limit_cgi so "" dont break hrefs <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9b5e18c4ee05941eab435d83c510d931dde34370>
21:04 magnuse         nah, i think that last one would only work if they were all/both defined as one server - what i want is two different servers listening on the same port. back to mod_proxy!
21:06 cait            hi all
21:06 magnuse         guten abend cait
21:06 cait            hi magnuse
21:07 cait            still here?
21:07 wahanui         hmmm... here is where I work
21:07 magnuse         cait: nope, more like "here again" ;-)
21:07 cait            chris_n: see your message, wonder why it does not work
21:08 cait            magnuse: like me
21:08 jenkins_koha    Starting build 42 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
21:09 magnuse         cait: had some fun with your project management?
21:09 cait            hm
21:09 cait            not so much
21:36 mtj             heya cait and magnuse
21:37 magnuse         kia ora mtj
21:37 cait            heya mtj
21:37 mtj             hows thing over there?
21:39 cait            late!
21:39 cait            ;)
21:39 cait            have to prepare a few things for tomorrow
21:40 cait            how are things on your side of the world?
21:40 mtj             pretty good here
21:41 mtj             just finished some months of busy work
21:41 mtj             so i have a little breather now...
21:41 cait            :)
21:42 mtj             hopefully have more time for Koha bugfixing/signing-off/sending-patches stuff
21:42 jenkins_koha    Project Koha_master build #42: SUCCESS in 33 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/42/
21:42 jenkins_koha    Chris Cormack: Bug 5693 : Follow up patch, escaping HTML in limit_cgi so "" dont break hrefs
21:42 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5693 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, reed, REOPENED, if parentheses used in ccode then searches against ccode fail
21:43 cait            mtj: I hope for that too - next 2 weeks will be a bit crazy, but not so many things planned after that yet
21:43 magnuse         just a little trip to mariseille? ;-)
21:44 magnuse         marseille...
21:44 mtj             ooh la la!
21:44 cait            marseille means working on patches and code (I hope!)
21:44 cait            I consider that fun :)
21:44 magnuse         hehe :-)
21:45 mtj             i have been thinking of many programming ideas for the project, in general
21:45 mtj             and i really want a little time off, to do some of then
21:45 mtj             and the kc.org website too
21:45 cait            :)
21:47 mtj             but more on that later, im gonna switch to some vserver work now....
21:50 cait            of course.. he leaves after he made me curious...
21:52 mtj             well, none of my ideas ideas are more important than the patch backlog, so i wont waffle on about them now
21:53 * cait          has to sign-off more patches...
21:53 mtj             as do i
21:54 mtj             i am very close to finishing my urgent client-werk backlog… the first time ever , for me
21:55 cait            uhoh
21:55 cait            don't say that loud
21:55 cait            everytime I say something like that my todo list fills up magically ;)
21:55 mtj             ha, yeah - that was tempting fate!
21:56 mtj             *nod* yep, me too
21:57 mtj             such a silly thing to say, lol
21:57 magnuse         g'night #koha
21:57 mtj             i have been 'very close' to finishing urgent client-werk, many many times, of course :)
21:58 mtj             sleep well magnuse
21:58 cait            good night magnuse!
21:58 mtj             back to it….
21:58 eythian         jcamins: what problems did you have with it?
21:59 eythian         I have it deployed and working on some of our systems
22:01 jcamins         It didn't seem to create the user.
22:01 cait            yep it didn't
22:01 cait            and I managed to get a install I couldn't start nor koha-remove
22:02 jcamins         I was on Ubuntu, so maybe that's why.
22:02 cait            me too :)
22:02 eythian         jcamins: what was the error message it gave you?
22:03 eythian         Currently if the koha-create fails, you can end up with a half-created system that has to be cleaned up manually, it's a pain and something I intend to fix.
22:03 jcamins         It didn't give me any error on installation.
22:04 jcamins         And unfortunately I didn't think to copy the error I got when I tried to reindex.
22:04 eythian         what about when running 'koha-create'?
22:04 jcamins         I used the koha package.
22:04 eythian         koha-create is part of the package :)
22:05 eythian         or, did you use the 'koha' package?
22:05 jcamins         The latter.
22:05 eythian         I don't use that, I just use koha-common. The koha package still needs a lot of polish that I haven't had time for
22:05 jcamins         I guess I'll know for next time to use 'koha-common'?
22:05 jcamins         Ah.
22:05 jcamins         We should probably note that 'koha-common' is preferred, even for simple installations.
22:05 cait            eythian: I used koha-common :(
22:06 eythian         cait: and what errors did you get?
22:06 cait            um
22:06 cait            perhaps I can try to do it again when you are around?
22:06 eythian         koha-common gives you a blank setup, you need to create a file (which I plan to include a default version of soon) and then koha-create *libraryname* should magically work
22:07 cait            it did only work when there was a user called like my libraryname
22:07 eythian         it should create a user 'libraryname-koha'
22:07 cait            and I am not sure I had the right settings in the conf file I created
22:08 eythian         http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Setting_Up_Koha_in_Virtual_Environment_%2B_Using_That_as_a_Development_Environment#Step:_Install_Koha <-- this section is a good guide
22:08 cait            yep, I got a bit farther with that
22:08 cait            I think it was apache or me not ifguring out the right urls
22:09 eythian         hmm OK
22:09 eythian         if you try again and grab the errors, let me know, I'd be interested. I've been a bit too snowed under with work to do a lot of testing lately
22:09 jcamins         My problem must have been the koha package.
22:09 jcamins         *'koha'
22:10 jcamins         I've installed it successfully before, but maybe I used 'koha-common'
22:10 cait            I will try again sometime soon. I still have a clean snapshot
22:10 cait            eythian: I am quite sure it was something I have done wrong
22:11 eythian         yeah, what I've been trying to do is have the koha package set up a default installation on top of koha-common, but it turned out to be harder than I thought, so it's still half finished.
22:11 eythian         cait: that may be, it doesn't mean it's not something that I can fix for everyone else who does the same thing wrong ;)
22:11 cait            ok :)
22:11 jcamins         Good night, #koha
22:12 eythian         jcamins_away: cya
22:12 cait            jcamins_away: sleep well
22:19 cait            hm, someone awake who knows which circ rules are taken for opac reneals and if this can be configured?
22:22 mtj             cait:  http://head.kohaaloha.com:8080/cgi-bin/koha/mainpage.pl › http://head.kohaaloha.com:8080/cgi-bin/koha/admin/admin-home.pl › Circulation and Fine Rules
22:22 mtj             'Renewals Allowed (count)'
22:23 cait            mtj: I know :) the problem is: borrower from branch b, checks out item owned by branch a at branch c
22:23 cait            he does renew on opac: which rule is taken?
22:24 mtj             ah, great question, i think 'branch A'
22:24 mtj             but i'd have to check
22:25 cait            yeah, requires some testing -
22:43 jenkins_koha    Starting build 6 for job Koha_3.2.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #3 8 j 22 h ago)
22:55 rangi           heya brendan_
22:59 space_librarian any reason why the demo sites on the Koha-community page are down? Or is it just me?
23:02 eythian         space_librarian: because our one isn't on there :)
23:02 eythian         space_librarian: http://demo.mykoha.co.nz
23:02 eythian         I really need to update the database on that some time
23:03 space_librarian great. massacres averted.
23:03 rangi           the bywater ones are running master, mykoha is running 3.2.x
23:03 rangi           different
23:03 space_librarian good to know
23:04 * mtj           has plans for a demo site too
23:10 rangi           druthb: ahhh just the woman :)
23:10 druthb          uhoh.
23:11 cait            hi druthb
23:11 rangi           http://intranet.bywatersolutions.com/  <-- appears to be down
23:16 druthb          Hm...so it does.  Thanks for letting me know, rangi.  I have told it to reboot itself; let's see what happens.
23:16 jenkins_koha    Yippie, build fixed!
23:16 jenkins_koha    Project Koha_3.2.x build #6: FIXED in 33 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.2.x/6/
23:16 rangi           yay!
23:17 cait            yay :)
23:24 druthb          The demo seems to be back up; it is responding, and answering search requests.  Thanks again, rangi.
23:24 rangi           np
23:38 mtj             druthb:  pssst... nagios
23:39 cait            time to sleep
23:39 cait            bye all
23:39 druthb          mtj:  We've been deploying that, actually...jcamins has been working on that.  :)
23:41 mtj             yeah, its a good one for host-down type alerts/emails, etc
23:42 * eythian       is just looking at plans to build a proper monitoring system
23:42 eythian         that gets info from the guts of koha, e.g. makes sure search is working, etc.
23:53 * druthb        dances around happily.
23:55 * druthb        just got handed a signal honor.  I'm lovin' this.
23:57 mtj             eythian: sweet news
23:58 mtj             ive been thinking of a munin plugin to monitor issue/returns graphing for … ages
23:59 mtj             and a munin zebra_queue graph, could be useful too