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NateC |
ok quittin time for me ginight #koha! |
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| 00:33 |
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snail |
I've started work on some of the issues with the wikipedia page, see: https://secure.wikimedia.org/w[…]29#Requested_move |
| 00:38 |
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rangi |
snail: |
| 00:38 |
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rangi |
007350135 |
| 00:38 |
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rangi |
look for that at http://oami.europa.eu/CTMOnlin[…]er/en_SearchBasic |
| 00:40 |
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snail |
rangi: PTFS have the US trademark? |
| 00:40 |
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rangi |
yes |
| 00:40 |
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rangi |
but hlt has the EU CTM |
| 00:40 |
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snail |
cool, now to forge a persistent url to that as for the reference |
| 00:40 |
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rangi |
which came initially from the french trademark, which predates the US one |
| 00:41 |
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rangi |
so your talk is slightly misleading |
| 00:41 |
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rangi |
both have trademarks |
| 00:42 |
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snail |
will update shortly |
| 00:46 |
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rangi |
i see one problem |
| 00:46 |
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rangi |
http://www.librarytechnology.o[…]erse.pl?Year=2011 |
| 00:46 |
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rangi |
liblime are shedding customers like crazy, what happens when they get out of the koha game |
| 00:47 |
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jcamins |
rangi: "LibLime was a support provider for a fork of Koha_(koha_community.org software)"? |
| 00:48 |
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rangi |
im just not sure tying them to the domains is good |
| 00:48 |
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rangi |
i have hope still that one day the project will get koha.org back |
| 00:50 |
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snail |
rangi: I fully understand that you would like the domain back, and if that happens we can rename everything back again |
| 00:50 |
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snail |
rangi: the problem right now is finding a pair of names that are clear, unambiguous and non-POV |
| 00:51 |
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rangi |
why not leave the fork out |
| 00:51 |
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rangi |
or call it harley, like they do |
| 00:52 |
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rangi |
koha.org advertises harley |
| 00:52 |
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rangi |
they advertise a may 2010 and a september 2010 release of Harley |
| 00:54 |
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jcamins |
There was a September 2010 release? |
| 00:54 |
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jcamins |
I had no idea. |
| 00:54 |
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rangi |
apparently so |
| 00:54 |
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rangi |
they call their software one of three things when marketing it, Harley, PTFS Master, or Liblime Enterprise Koha |
| 00:55 |
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rangi |
they never refer to it as koha.org koha |
| 00:55 |
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rangi |
i guess tying it to the domain name just seems like an artificial distinction |
| 00:55 |
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rangi |
to me anyway |
| 00:57 |
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mtj |
rangi: yeah, agreed |
| 00:58 |
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mtj |
the only relationship koha.org has to ptfs/liblime, is they own it |
| 00:58 |
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snail |
it is an artificial distinction, deliberately, because i'm trying to avoid marketing-speak, otherwise I'd have left the liblime page as a cut'n'paste of their press release |
| 01:00 |
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rangi |
im just not sure what the split is meant to achieve |
| 01:00 |
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rangi |
i cant see that it will stop any editing |
| 01:01 |
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rangi |
probably just start yet another argument |
| 01:01 |
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snail |
rangi: avoiding the need to mention both pieces of software on the same page |
| 01:01 |
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rangi |
well they dont call theirs koha, so why mention it? |
| 01:02 |
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snail |
the naming conventions don't follow what things are marketed as, but what they're known as |
| 01:02 |
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rangi |
well its known by me as a piece of shit |
| 01:02 |
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snail |
with a strong weighting towards what they're known as by third parties |
| 01:02 |
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rangi |
but we arent gonna call it that |
| 01:03 |
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snail |
if you make the paper calling it that, I'll be happy to add it myself |
| 01:03 |
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rangi |
i guess i dont care enough to fight it, but all i can see is its gonna cause more ructions than it solves |
| 01:04 |
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rangi |
the fact that their customers hate them will resolve this in the end |
| 01:04 |
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rangi |
so meh whatever |
| 01:06 |
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jcamins |
Uh-oh. |
| 01:06 |
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jcamins |
My stove just broke. |
| 01:06 |
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jcamins |
I turn it on, light it, and a few seconds later, the flame goes out and the gas doesn't. |
| 01:06 |
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rangi |
yikes |
| 01:07 |
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rangi |
thats about the worst possible result |
| 01:07 |
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rangi |
lucky you noticed |
| 01:08 |
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jcamins |
Yeah, I'll say! |
| 01:08 |
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jcamins |
I don't understand how that's even possible. |
| 01:09 |
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rangi |
i guess it cuts out for a second |
| 01:09 |
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rangi |
air in the pipes? |
| 01:09 |
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jcamins |
I guess. |
| 01:10 |
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jcamins |
Unfortunately I can't really safely use the microwave either, if there's a possibility there's gas in the air. |
| 01:10 |
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ibeardslee |
town supply or bottle? |
| 01:10 |
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jcamins |
Town supply. |
| 01:12 |
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rangi |
prolly need to get someone to come look at it |
| 01:12 |
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jcamins |
Yeah. |
| 01:13 |
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jcamins |
Unfortunately, it's not ConEdison, so they're closed. |
| 01:13 |
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rangi |
do you have gas heating? |
| 01:13 |
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rangi |
lots of american houses have furnaces eh? |
| 01:14 |
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* rangi |
is paranoid but id check that too |
| 01:14 |
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jcamins |
You know, I'm not entirely sure what the heat is. |
| 01:14 |
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jcamins |
We live in a big apartment building with radiators. |
| 01:14 |
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rangi |
ahhh |
| 01:14 |
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rangi |
SEP then |
| 01:16 |
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mtj |
i think splitting the Koha wiki page into 2, based on domain-names is a horrible idea |
| 01:19 |
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mtj |
"After the move Koha (software) should redirect to the Koha disambiguation page and LibLime should be a redirect to Koha (koha.org software). " |
| 01:19 |
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mtj |
liblime != koha.org |
| 01:20 |
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mtj |
one is a company, one is a website |
| 01:27 |
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rangi |
gah wiki spammers |
| 01:27 |
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rangi |
diaf |
| 01:28 |
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rangi |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ial:RecentChanges |
| 01:32 |
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rangi |
right afternoon tea, i better get my smile on |
| 01:32 |
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rangi |
bbiab |
| 01:34 |
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eythian |
Grr, the 'lowestPriority' column in the reserves table appears to be used but not documented. |
| 01:40 |
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eythian |
http://paper.st/~pipes/WLG.png |
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eythian |
Grr, the 'constrainttype' column in the reserves table appears to be used but not documented. |
| 02:32 |
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rangi |
im not sure they actually are any more |
| 02:32 |
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eythian |
hmm, they're referenced by bits of code in some degree anyway. |
| 02:32 |
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eythian |
I'm not sure whether those thigns are used thought |
| 02:33 |
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rangi |
yeah |
| 02:33 |
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rangi |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Holds_Rewrite_RFC |
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kmkale |
Namaskar #koha |
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cait |
good morning #koh |
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cait |
a |
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magnuse |
@wunder bodo, norway |
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huginn |
magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 6.0�C (8:50 AM CET on March 02, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Windchill: 0.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). |
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magnuse |
a strong gale is expected this evening, with 24 m/s wind |
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francharb |
hello all |
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magnuse |
hiya |
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hdl |
hi magnuse |
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magnuse |
bonjour hdl |
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kf |
hi #koha |
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kf |
anyone any idea about missing pagination in reports? :( |
| 10:55 |
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magnuse |
hiya kf - nope, sorry |
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kf |
this is really annoying |
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slef |
bah, I just replied to something rangi had already answered. broken_threads-- |
| 10:58 |
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magnuse |
hey, where did bugzilla go? |
| 10:58 |
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slef |
magnuse: worksforme |
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magnuse |
me too, i cliked an old link to bugs.k....org |
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magnuse |
sorry 'bout that |
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slef |
k*@!.org |
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magnuse |
yep |
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slef |
ok |
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magnuse |
kf: bug 3315? |
| 10:59 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3315 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Aggregate SQL clauses break pagination in guided reports |
| 10:59 |
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slef |
my IRC client was being artificially intelligent and showed a triple ... |
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magnuse |
hehe |
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kf |
will check |
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kf |
thx! |
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kf |
@later tell jcamins take a look at bug 3315 - missing pagination in reports |
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huginn |
kf: The operation succeeded. |
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kf |
I think he was running into this a few days ago |
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kf |
huginn botsnack cake |
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huginn |
kf: downloading the Perl source |
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kf |
!huginn botsnack cake |
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druthb |
good morning, #koha. |
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jcamins |
Good morning, #koha |
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jcamins |
kf: thanks. |
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druthb |
hi, jcamins! |
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kf |
jcamins: If you can fix it I promise to test ;) |
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kf |
hi druthb :) |
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jcamins |
Yay! Two druthbs! |
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kf |
yay! |
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druthb1 |
:D |
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gmcharlt |
good morning/afternoon/evening |
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kf |
hi gmcharlt |
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kf |
jcamins: you should update the irc regulars wiki page :) |
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jcamins |
kf_mtg: I'm not the only one whose bio is a bit out of date! |
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jcamins |
druthb++ # her awesomeness knows no bounds |
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* druthb |
blushes. 'tweren't nuthin. |
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magnuse |
dig in, folks http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Regulars |
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* druthb |
updates her entry there |
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tcohen |
hi #koha |
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tcohen |
if you where to lower the '1 minute' frequency for reindexing updated records |
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tcohen |
how low would be comfortable for you? |
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tcohen |
10 secs for auths and 1 minute for biblio? |
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sekjal |
tcohen: depends on how busy the library is |
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sekjal |
lots of circulation means lots of biblios getting updated |
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sekjal |
if the frequency is too low, then the index can trip over itself |
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tcohen |
sekjal: it depends. If everything is handled serially by a single process... |
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tcohen |
there would not be concurrency at all |
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tcohen |
(race conditions) |
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sekjal |
ah, so that's what we're talking. sounds good to me. triggering the next runthrough of the indexer when the previous run finishes (plus pad time), rather than on cron |
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tcohen |
right sekjal |
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tcohen |
i've submited patches for this |
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tcohen |
I plan to refine a little the scripts |
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tcohen |
and resend |
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sekjal |
tcohen: that sounds very nice |
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tcohen |
what I ask you is what default frequency u think could be a good default |
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tcohen |
we use 10 secs for authorities, and 6*authfreq for biblios |
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tcohen |
10 secs its ok for our librarians to feel |
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tcohen |
their new authorities are "instantly available" when cataloguing |
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sekjal |
that sounds reasonable to me. |
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tcohen |
and 60 secs for biblios has been enough |
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tcohen |
perl developers: is there a way to avoid smth like this: |
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tcohen |
$var = (something) ? something : something_else; |
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tcohen |
(avoid putting 'something' two times) |
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tcohen |
?? |
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sekjal |
$var = something || something_else; # I think might work.... seen it before |
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jcamins |
I think you need parentheses: |
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jcamins |
$var = (something || something_else); |
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* jcamins |
topples over in shock - do we really not have an index on cn_sort? |
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tcohen |
jcamins & sekjal: thanks |
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tcohen |
parenthesis needed |
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* jcamins |
topples over in shock again - we're using VARCHAR(100) for biblionumber and subscriptionid in the serial table? |
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sekjal |
this is going to be another one of those days where I'm constantly confused, isn't it? varchar? really? |
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jcamins |
Uh-huh. |
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jcamins |
Don't get too used to me being not toppled yet, though. I'm only 85% of the way through the schema. |
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druthb |
If you're gonna topple over in shock repeatedly, it may be helpful to be build like a Weeble, like me. |
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jcamins |
Okay, no more toppling. |
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tcohen |
master means 3.4? I prepared the sysprefs for my next submission |
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tcohen |
and found a new set of steps for 3.4 |
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jcamins |
tcohen: that's correct. |
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tcohen |
jcamins: got network problems here, sorry |
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jcamins |
tcohen: if the perl xt/sysprefs.t command succeeds, you can go ahead and submit your patch. The wiki describes the easy way for those of us who don't know anything about adding sysprefs. |
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tcohen |
oh, so it's just a shortcut for the same |
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jcamins |
s/don't/didn't |
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tcohen |
jcamins: thanks |
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Brooke_ |
kia ora! |
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magnuse |
kia ora Brooke_! |
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kf_mtg |
hi Brooke_ |
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Brooke_ |
:) |
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druthb |
hi, Brooke_! |
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* Brooke_ |
feels the love! |
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jcamins |
Howdy |
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wahanui1 |
que tal, jcamins |
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Brooke_ |
hooray for no more meetings |
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magnuse |
well, there is one in about 3 hours, if i'm not mistaken... ;-) |
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* Brooke_ |
knows about that one, but that one will be fun. |
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Brooke_ |
Free Venison Stew! |
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magnuse |
sounds good! |
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kf |
i had 2 meethings today |
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kf |
that's enough for one day |
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magnuse |
not coming to the community meeting, kf? |
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kf |
args |
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wizzyrea |
oo i have a sense that I'll be participating in 2 meetings at once this afternoon |
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kf |
yep, but not counting it |
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wizzyrea |
beat that! |
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kf |
hehe |
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wizzyrea |
:) |
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wizzyrea |
and good morning |
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wizzyrea |
afternoon |
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wizzyrea |
evening |
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wizzyrea |
sleeping time |
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druthb |
:P Mine are overlapping too, wizzyrea. |
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jcamins |
Will the query pastebot is about to share work? |
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pastebot0 |
"jcamins" at 208.120.0.116 pasted "INSERT INTO deletedbiblio SELE" (1 line) at http://paste.koha-community.org/160 |
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pastebot0 |
"jcamins" at 208.120.0.116 pasted "INSERT INTO deletedbiblio SELE" (1 line) at http://paste.koha-community.org/161 |
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jcamins |
Oops, I think I must've doubleclicked. |
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jcamins |
They're the same. |
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JesseM |
what do you want me to do with the Bio |
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JesseM |
oops |
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jcamins |
Answer: yeah, that query seems to work. |
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jcamins |
transactions++ |
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sekjal |
did runtime parameters in Reports make it into Koha yet, or is that still in QA? |
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paul_p |
sekjal, it's in 3.2 afaik |
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sekjal |
thanks, paul_p. Reading the [?] entry on it now |
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tcohen |
paul_p: where do I find an updated copyright/license header for koha files ? |
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paul_p |
tcohen, ??? the copyright/license is on top of each .pl file |
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paul_p |
(otherwise, pls file a bug, it should !) |
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tcohen |
i ask because there are plenty of different headings |
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wizzyrea |
atz: bet you thought you'd never make the NYT |
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wizzyrea |
http://www.nytimes.com/externa[…]ml?ref=technology |
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tcohen |
rebuild_zebra.pl and zebraqueue_daemon.pl |
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tcohen |
don't have a proper header |
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atz |
damn... i sould get google ads on that thing |
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atz |
*should |
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wizzyrea |
*nod* |
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atz |
haha... and they got my name wrong |
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atz |
John is my brother |
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atz |
this is awesome |
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wizzyrea |
^.^ |
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atz |
this is karma from his high school senior homecoming court when they introduced him as "Joe Atzberger" |
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atz |
the fate of the youngest sibling |
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SharonNEKLS |
I'm the youngest of 6, mom went through a lot of names before she finally hit mine |
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jcamins |
atz: another family with all J names? |
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atz |
nah, just us two. my sister is elizabeth (liz). parents: tom, chris. |
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* wizzyrea |
's irc blows up with notifications... keywords! |
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atz |
=-_s'plosion_-= |
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atz |
sorta weird for a blog to cite but not link |
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wizzyrea |
yea, I was thinking that too |
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atz |
i guess i am interesting but not reputable |
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atz |
the blog's only like 2.5 weeks old anyway |
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wizzyrea |
well if you weren't before, you are now >.> |
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tcohen |
it there a git copy command? |
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atz |
tcohen: you mean at the file level? or the whole repo? |
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tcohen |
file level |
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tcohen |
I plan to commit (again) a rewrite of rebuild_zebra.pl |
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atz |
i don't think there is, just cp and git add |
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tcohen |
and need to track that file's history... |
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tcohen |
(rewrite as library) |
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atz |
then probably should create a branch for it |
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atz |
and make your changes right on top |
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tcohen |
i'd like to do a |
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tcohen |
git copy misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl C4/Catalog/Zebra.pm |
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tcohen |
i'm currently working on a branch of master |
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slef |
life is a branch of master |
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tcohen |
slef: lol |
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tcohen |
i'm happy today, i hope devs aren't too rude on my commit :-D |
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jcamins |
tcohen: the trick is to bribe everyone with sourdough. |
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tcohen |
jcamins: true story (barney's dixit) |
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atz |
tcohen: git tries to find file copies (as part of the compression logic) at commit time. there is an option to make it "look harder" |
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tcohen |
atz, just found about it on google, thanks! |
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atz |
np |
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tcohen |
i think the more I manage to do smth like git ocpy, the less rude you'll all be on my patch :-D |
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tcohen |
jajaja |
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magnuse |
tcohen: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Coding_Guidelines has a standard copyright/license header, but who knows if it's up to date? |
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jcamins |
Does anyone know how the circulation statistics report works? |
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kf |
jcamins: not sure, is it on eof the build in reports? |
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jcamins |
kf: yeah. |
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kf |
jcamins: I had problems with one of them and renewals - there was a limit to branch that was wrong |
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kf |
what is your question? |
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jcamins |
What is it doing? |
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jcamins |
I can't figure it out. |
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jcamins |
When I choose itemtypes for the rows, it seems to be missing some. |
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jcamins |
And I'm having trouble believing that the report is faulty, so I think the problem must be me. |
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slef |
magnus_away: tcohen: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Coding_Guidelines looks similar to the one on http://www.gnu.org/licenses/ol[…]nses/gpl-2.0.html so I think it's up-to-date. |
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tcohen |
thanks magnus |
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jcamins |
Never mind, mystery solved. |
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jcamins |
The item type was NULL. |
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sekjal |
jcamins: that's the Koha equivalent of "the butler did it" |
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* druthb |
wonders what the Koha equivalent of "Col. Mustard, in the library, with a wrench" is. |
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wizzyrea |
diacritics, probably ;) |
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sekjal |
and possibly SIP |
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* druthb |
lols, and high-fives wizzyrea. |
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wizzyrea |
^^ |
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wizzyrea |
SIP also |
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wizzyrea |
SIP is enough to make me drink stronger things than my usual beer. Like whiskey. |
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jcamins |
wizzyrea: what, drinks that one SIPs? |
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* druthb |
sets out a bottle of Midnight Hobo for wizzyrea. |
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wizzyrea |
/me rimshots |
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sekjal |
wow, didn't know you could authenticate EZProxy with SIP |
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sekjal |
that's neat |
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wizzyrea |
^.^ you sure can |
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kmkale |
Namaskar #koha |
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kf |
hi kmkale |
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kmkale |
hi kf |
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slef |
anyone seen (20014)Internal error: Error reading request entity data before? |
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slef |
urgh, it seems it's a generic apache something-has-crashed :( |
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slef |
I'm getting it in addbiblio. So what does addbiblio use that die()s? |
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slef |
actually, if it die()d, wouldn't Koha Carp to the browser? |
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gmcharlt |
yes, it should |
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slef |
erm, this is in addbiblio: |
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slef |
#use warnings; FIXME - Bug 2505 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2505 major, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, enable Perl warnings in all modules and scripts |
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slef |
would that stop it? |
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gmcharlt |
no |
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slef |
so what could cause an abrupt death? |
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gmcharlt |
something that is causing the Perl interpreter itself to segfault? |
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gmcharlt |
not sure - I think you'll have to stick in warn statements and narrow down the point where it's crashing |
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slef |
old skool :/ |
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gmcharlt |
yup |
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sekjal |
speaking of abrupt death, anyone know why Zebra would stop merging, and indicate "previous transaction did not reach commit" without giving any other warnings or errors? |
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slef |
sekjal: iDunno. an earlier process leaving Zebra open? |
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gmcharlt |
sekjal: try bumping up the verbosity on zebraidx |
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* slef |
wanders over, kills memcache on that server and tries again :/ |
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slef |
well that was silly |
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slef |
damn, still getting nothing useful in the koha-error_log. Do I have to do anything else to get warn()s to appear there? |
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hdl |
slef: have you tried to see apache logs ? |
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slef |
hdl: koha-error_log is an apache log. |
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slef |
I'm getting the apache error, but nothing from the warns I added to addbiblio.pl |
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jcamins |
slef: I find sometimes the errors don't go into the Koha error log, but the other_virtual-hosts.log |
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slef |
checking other logs... |
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slef |
not seeing the warnings in any of them :-/ |
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slef |
added STDERR->autoflush(1); didn't help |
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slef |
this is a very mysterious bug. Finally I will try deleting values from the form, to see if it saves at some point |
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slef |
odd. I changed framework type and now I can see the warnings |
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slef |
I can see it reaching the "if ( $op eq "addbiblio" ) {" line but it gets no further - even a warning straight after that doesn't show. I don't understand. |
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kmkale |
slef i remember having to export KOHA_DEBUG or something to get warn's to show up in the logs. cant be more precise as i am on my son's desktop. |
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slef |
I just deleted nearly everything and it saved! So it may be something wrong in the MARC, but Koha is handling it very badly too. |
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slef |
oh now it just gets stranger |
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slef |
If I click the - next to 245 |
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slef |
@marc 245 |
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huginn |
slef: The title and statement of responsibility area of the bibliographic description of a work. [a,b,c,f,g,h,k,n,p,s,6,8] |
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slef |
and then save, it will save, including the title. Anyone ever seen that behaviour before? |
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wizzyrea |
I haven't :( |
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slef |
Found the source record: yaz-client complains "Length implementation at offset 22 should hold a digit. Assuming 0" |
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slef |
offset 22 of what, though :-/ |
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jcamins |
LDR. |
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slef |
@marc ldr |
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huginn |
slef: unknown tag ldr |
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slef |
@marc leader |
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huginn |
slef: unknown tag leader |
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slef |
huginn: you suck |
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huginn |
slef: I've exhausted my database of quotes |
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jcamins |
@marc 000 |
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huginn |
jcamins: unknown tag 000 |
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wizzyrea |
aside: http://www.screencast.com/user[…]be16-eb5ba0fc8ef8 has anybody seen this before, where long overdue mucks the result list? |
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* slef |
goes to loc.gov |
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slef |
wizzyrea: not me yet |
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slef |
rebuilding the leader (using the ...) doesn't allow me to save, so do you think I'm safe to assume it's not the leader problem breaking Koha? |
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wizzyrea |
ah no oleonard today |
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slef |
wizzyrea: we love you too |
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wizzyrea |
aww |
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* wizzyrea |
doesn't know if that was sarcasm or serious |
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wizzyrea |
makes this face: O.o |
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* jcamins |
saw that. Yesterday. |
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* jcamins |
will have to look and see why it happened. |
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* Brooke_ |
notes that if it's 5 o'clock in the UK then that means we can have a pint... |
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wizzyrea |
I was just noting that there wasn't a bug in bz for that, that I can find anyway |
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slef |
Brooke_: it's been all-day-drinking here for a few years now. But I might have to carry a bookcase down stone stairs in a bit, so best not drink. |
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kmkale |
brb |
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* Brooke_ |
shuffles pixels in anticipation of meeting jiggerybobbers. |
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slef |
I can import the record into our demo (which doesn't use authorities) and I can import it into the faulty catalogue if I delete the authors. |
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slef |
So I currently suspect their authority configuration |
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* thd |
is suspicious of all authority :) |
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* Brooke_ |
watches the clock... |
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* Brooke_ |
waves to Paul |
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Brooke_ |
#startmeeting |
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huginn |
Meeting started Wed Mar 2 17:56:09 2011 UTC. The chair is Brooke_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
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huginn |
Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. |
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Brooke_ |
#topic Introductions |
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Topic for #koha is now Introductions |
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paul_p |
paul_p, BibLibre, France |
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Brooke_ |
Haere Mai, Egondea, Welcome to #koha, please introduce yourselves as we wait for others to arrive :) |
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* gmcharlt |
= Galen Charlton, Equinox |
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* cait |
= Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany |
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thd |
Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City |
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* jcamins |
= Jared Camins-Esakov, ByWater Solutions |
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kmkale |
chatzilla tells me we are 4 mins early ;) |
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jwagner |
Jane Wagner, PTFS |
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* wizzyrea |
liz rea, NEKLS |
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* slef |
= MJ Ray, CEO software.coop |
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* davi |
davi = worker for software.coop |
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JesseM |
Jesse Maseto, ByWater Solutions |
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* magnuse |
Magnus Enger. Libriotech, Norway |
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slef |
kmkale: I think we are early too |
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kmkale |
Koustubha Kale Anant Corporation, VPM, Thane, granthalaya.org |
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bg |
Brendan Gallagher ByWater Solutions |
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* sekjal |
is Ian Walls, ByWater Solutions |
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SandeepBhavsar |
Sandeep Bhavsar Librarian Vidya Prasarak mandal, Thane's Dr. V N Bedekar Institute of Management Studies |
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NateC |
Nate Curulla: ByWater Solutions |
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space_librarian_home |
Shelley Gurney, Catalyst IT |
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* hdl |
Henri-Damien LAURENT, biblibre |
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Brooke_ |
welcome everyone again and now it is properly time ;) |
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Brooke_ |
#topic Roadmap to 3.2 |
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Topic for #koha is now Roadmap to 3.2 |
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Brooke_ |
so, do we have an update on the 3.2 Roadmap? |
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slef |
Do we have a chris_n? |
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gmcharlt |
chris_n++ # 3.2.4 and 3.2.5 |
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wizzyrea |
chris_n++ |
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hdl |
chris_n++ |
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wizzyrea |
maybe enough beeps will raise him |
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Brooke_ |
chris_n++ for timely delivery :D |
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cait |
chris_n++ |
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paul_p |
can we speak of a security list as 3.2.5 has been released because of a security (hacker) issue ? |
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slef |
chris_n++ for timely releases, chris_n-- for not being here or putting his report on the wiki page? |
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Brooke_ |
paul go for it |
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gmcharlt |
paul_p: I've added an item to the agenda |
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gmcharlt |
after the KohaCon 11 discussion |
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paul_p |
gmcharlt, sorry, missed it |
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Brooke_ |
it's not on mine either |
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gmcharlt |
paul_p: no problem, I *just* added it now |
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paul_p |
ah, ok ;-) |
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gmcharlt |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]March_2011#Agenda |
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Brooke_ |
makes more sense here, methinks. |
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slef |
#link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ing,_2_March_2011 |
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gmcharlt |
Brooke_: it's not specific to 3.2 |
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Brooke_ |
okily dokily. |
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gmcharlt |
shall we move on to 3.0? |
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Brooke_ |
yep |
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Brooke_ |
#topic 3.0 Roadmap |
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Topic for #koha is now 3.0 Roadmap |
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mtj_ |
morning |
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gmcharlt |
I actually have an update for 3.0 - with hdl's consent, I intend to cut a security release of 3.0 |
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gmcharlt |
which, IIRC, would make it 3.0.7 |
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hdl |
yes. |
| 17:59 |
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Brooke_ |
anything else? |
| 17:59 |
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wahanui1 |
rumour has it anything else is reinventing the wheel |
| 17:59 |
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gmcharlt |
and ... I think that's about it for an update on 3.0 |
| 17:59 |
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Brooke_ |
brevity is a virtue sir |
| 18:00 |
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Brooke_ |
#topic Roadmap to 3.4 |
| 18:00 |
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Topic for #koha is now Roadmap to 3.4 |
| 18:00 |
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hdl |
yes. it should be noted in the relase notes that it should be the last. |
| 18:00 |
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Brooke_ |
Chris is skived off to a cool conference |
| 18:00 |
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Brooke_ |
anyone want to sub? |
| 18:00 |
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paul_p |
I have something to say about 3.4 & bugzilla. |
| 18:00 |
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Brooke_ |
shoot |
| 18:01 |
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Brooke_ |
allez :D |
| 18:01 |
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slef |
#info the apologies section of the wiki page says "chris cormack will try to be there but is at a conference" |
| 18:01 |
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paul_p |
I did a lot of wrangling recently, and have some important numbers :85 bugs are "patch pushed" waiting for "bug closed" and 152 bugs "needs signoff" |
| 18:02 |
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paul_p |
What can we do to lower those numbers ? |
| 18:02 |
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hdl |
hehe: test and sign off ;) |
| 18:02 |
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paul_p |
the more there are, the hard it is to deal with them (specially the "need sign-off") |
| 18:02 |
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paul_p |
hdl, yes, so I change my question = how can we motivate ppl to sign-off & close ? |
| 18:02 |
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paul_p |
should we organise a "wrangling day" ? should we publish a weekly summary ? |
| 18:03 |
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cait |
I think hdl is right, we need more people testing and signing-off |
| 18:03 |
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paul_p |
a news in the newsletter ? |
| 18:03 |
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magnuse |
it's probably a question of time for most of us... |
| 18:03 |
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sekjal |
scoreboard |
| 18:03 |
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wizzyrea |
scoreboard++ |
| 18:03 |
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Brooke_ |
#idea Wrangling Day |
| 18:03 |
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Brooke_ |
a newsletter item would make nengard happy |
| 18:03 |
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hdl |
what could help would be to have some dedicated server with as many vhosts as branches |
| 18:03 |
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Brooke_ |
so I'm all for it |
| 18:03 |
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gmcharlt |
hdl: is BibLibre offering to set one up? |
| 18:04 |
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hdl |
we could do that.... on the new jenkins server. |
| 18:04 |
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hdl |
Problem would be the databases... |
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paul_p |
magnuse, yes, but once we've said it's a question of time, we have 2 options: or we *decide* to do something, each of us taking, for example 20 bugs. or we do nothing, and those numbers will continue to grow and our workflow is just a theory,... |
| 18:04 |
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slef |
magnuse++ |
| 18:04 |
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hdl |
any help would be appreciated in setting that up and automating that.. |
| 18:04 |
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Brooke_ |
#help bug wranglers to address backlog |
| 18:04 |
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paul_p |
I don't have time, but I take time ! |
| 18:04 |
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magnuse |
paul_p++ |
| 18:05 |
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paul_p |
last night I worked up to 1AM, and signed/closed something like 20 |
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paul_p |
(i'm not asking everybody to work up to 1AM ;-) ) |
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paul_p |
s/asking/suggesting/ |
| 18:05 |
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magnuse |
(it might help, though ;-) ) |
| 18:05 |
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Brooke_ |
I appreciate your dedication, as always Paul |
| 18:06 |
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paul_p |
thx Brooke_, but me alone won't be enough. |
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thd |
hdl: Do you not have appropriate test databases? |
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hdl |
thd: we have for unimarc |
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Brooke_ |
I realise that, and I like the 20 per person. Do we have enough volunteers that could spare the time and technical expertise to make this happen? |
| 18:06 |
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hdl |
and databases are not automated. |
| 18:06 |
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slef |
Each time I put aside time, by the point I've got myself to the point of having a current master, reminded myself how to do the signing-off and found something I could test (right MARC format, reproducible problem, and so on), I'm out of time. Why does it take so long? |
| 18:06 |
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paul_p |
a good, but not enough news: Julian Maurice started yesterday a 6month time with us. He's a student, and will be dedicated to signin/closing/submitting BibLibre patches. |
| 18:06 |
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gmcharlt |
with respect, it is not just a numbers game |
| 18:06 |
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hdl |
And some bugs are really tightened to some systempreferences |
| 18:07 |
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gmcharlt |
the quality of the signoffs and testing also matters |
| 18:07 |
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slef |
gmcharlt++ security_bugs-- |
| 18:07 |
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cait |
gmcharlt++ |
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magnuse |
gmcharlt++ |
| 18:07 |
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Brooke_ |
I'd imagine that they won't necessarily break down cleanly as some would work packaged together, too |
| 18:08 |
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Brooke_ |
but someplace there needs be a line drawn if we can manage |
| 18:08 |
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sekjal |
would be really helpful if bug reports came with testing plans. "Here is how to confirm a fix works" |
| 18:08 |
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gmcharlt |
in terms of prioritizing, I suggest that the patches awaiting signoff should come first |
| 18:08 |
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Brooke_ |
many hands make light work. |
| 18:08 |
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davi |
I could contribute 1 hour of my time to sign some bugs more |
| 18:08 |
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thd |
I think that we need to develop some automated systems for testing so that testing becomes easier. |
| 18:08 |
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paul_p |
gmcharlt, double right = it also means that it takes time to signoff/close (see some bugs that i've commented "can't sign-off") |
| 18:08 |
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Brooke_ |
sekjal good idea |
| 18:08 |
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Brooke_ |
thank you davi |
| 18:08 |
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gmcharlt |
once a patch has been pushed, it has presumably been tested at least once (by the person who signed off) |
| 18:08 |
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slef |
hdl++ do we need syspref summarising in "About Koha"? |
| 18:08 |
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Brooke_ |
#idea automated testing |
| 18:08 |
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gmcharlt |
so additional testing to close the bug, while still important, is hopefully less of an issue |
| 18:08 |
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Brooke_ |
#idea testing plans in conjunction with patches |
| 18:09 |
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davi |
no Brooke_ |
| 18:09 |
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davi |
np |
| 18:09 |
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hdl |
slef: i think we could adding some test plans to reproduce the bug would be helpfull... |
| 18:09 |
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paul_p |
another idea = having more than one setup, with various configs (like marc21/unimarc , IndependantBranches ON/OFF,...) |
| 18:09 |
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hdl |
But it would add some more overhead to declare bugs. |
| 18:09 |
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thd |
I did not mean that all tests should be automated but we need to have good automation for setting up tests run by humans checking behaviour. |
| 18:10 |
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slef |
hdl: I think reporting already asks for steps to reproduce the bug |
| 18:10 |
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wizzyrea |
it does |
| 18:10 |
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thd |
paul_p++ Yes, that is what I meant. |
| 18:10 |
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cait |
I am not sure we have a technical problem |
| 18:10 |
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cait |
the easy bugs are done quickly - like interface changes |
| 18:10 |
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hdl |
slef: sometimes the bug comes because of one system preference. |
| 18:11 |
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wizzyrea |
cait: agreed |
| 18:11 |
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hdl |
And user are not aware of that. |
| 18:11 |
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cait |
but there are some things I have no idea about - we need people with enough knowledge looking at them |
| 18:11 |
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mtj_ |
some bugs really need attached bib and syspref .sql files |
| 18:11 |
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paul_p |
can we consider that someone who declares a bug should be the one who closes it when "patch pushed" ? I could send some reminders to ppl in this situation ? |
| 18:11 |
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slef |
hdl: that's what I mean. If user could get a syspref summary code from "About Koha" to paste in the report which was useful to us that may help. |
| 18:11 |
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hdl |
mtj++ |
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mtj_ |
complex circ bugs, etc |
| 18:11 |
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wizzyrea |
slef++ a report about the reporter's config |
| 18:11 |
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wizzyrea |
would help immensely |
| 18:12 |
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* Brooke_ |
nods. |
| 18:12 |
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* paul_p |
agrees too |
| 18:12 |
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gmcharlt |
paul_p: yes, general the person who first reported a bug ought to test and close it, so reminders would be appropriate |
| 18:12 |
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slef |
I think mtj_ might be right - it would be a settings file to attach to the bug. |
| 18:12 |
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hdl |
#idea add a syspref summary code from About Koha" to paste in the report which was useful to us that may help. |
| 18:12 |
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Brooke_ |
#idea enhancing About Koha to report more configuration details |
| 18:12 |
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gmcharlt |
(at least for project regulars, no need to bug somebody who just dropped by to report a bug) |
| 18:12 |
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mtj_ |
hdl++, yes, a very nice idea to work towards |
| 18:12 |
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paul_p |
ok, will send reminder soon unless someone objects. |
| 18:12 |
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Brooke_ |
I am hearing no objections |
| 18:12 |
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Brooke_ |
am I right? |
| 18:13 |
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paul_p |
#idea paul_p will send mail reminders to ppl that have a bug where they are "reporter" that is "patch pushed, pls close" |
| 18:13 |
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Brooke_ |
#action Paul to send a reminder about bug workflow details |
| 18:13 |
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mtj_ |
an 'about this koha' page, to attach to bug reports |
| 18:13 |
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thd |
mtj_: Some bugs definitely require much more testing work but anything we can do to make any testing easier on people with limited time should help. |
| 18:14 |
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slef |
mtj_: we already have that, don't we? |
| 18:14 |
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* paul_p |
will deal with biblibre ppl that are no more working at BibLibre :\ |
| 18:14 |
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paul_p |
(nahuel mostly) |
| 18:15 |
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davi |
Sometimes the one who report a bug do not have the expertise to test-close it |
| 18:15 |
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gmcharlt |
paul_p: is he still around (in the sense of having any interest or time to work on Koha)? |
| 18:15 |
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magnuse |
davi: true |
| 18:16 |
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hdl |
gmcharlt: he is around on koha-fr but no longer any time to work on koha |
| 18:16 |
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paul_p |
gmcharlt, nope. working for a university using Koha (AixMarseille), but not on Koha at all |
| 18:16 |
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gmcharlt |
davi: perhaps, but hopefully they should at least recognize when the initial problem they reported now appears to be working |
| 18:16 |
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hdl |
gmcharlt++ |
| 18:16 |
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gmcharlt |
paul_p: thanks |
| 18:16 |
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davi |
gmcharlt, working in the new release, that is to say, check close after release |
| 18:16 |
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davi |
note they can not even install a dev version maybe |
| 18:17 |
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davi |
? |
| 18:17 |
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gmcharlt |
davi: well, then they'd have to wait until the new release to test, then |
| 18:17 |
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gmcharlt |
though that leads to a variant of one of the ideas discussed |
| 18:17 |
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davi |
It is OK to ask the reported to test, but IMHO do not set as a "have to" because some ones will not be able to |
| 18:18 |
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gmcharlt |
#idea public database that always tracks master |
| 18:18 |
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* paul_p |
is wondering if we should not remind ppl that there are bug to test/close in a weekly/bi-monthly email on koha-devel. |
| 18:18 |
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paul_p |
I feel, but i may be wrong, that many ppl could find a few minuts if they knew exactly what to do. |
| 18:18 |
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gmcharlt |
davi: hence the distinction I made between project regulars and people who submit the occassional bug report |
| 18:18 |
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slef |
paul_p: I think we are always aware of it :-/ |
| 18:18 |
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davi |
ack gmcharlt |
| 18:19 |
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paul_p |
slef, everybody is aware ? i'm not sure. I had Frydolin boss on phone this morning, not sure he was aware. |
| 18:19 |
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Brooke_ |
it feels like this is exhausted |
| 18:19 |
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gmcharlt |
no! we must keep our energy up to close bugs! |
| 18:19 |
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Brooke_ |
heh |
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gmcharlt |
Brooke_: oh, you meant the agenda item ;) |
| 18:19 |
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paul_p |
and i'm sure he could tell fridolyn to take a few hours! |
| 18:20 |
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paul_p |
gmcharlt, no! to what ? |
| 18:20 |
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thd |
paul_p: I think that many people would indeed take the issue seriously if all that people had to do was test and not set up and configure the system to run the test. |
| 18:20 |
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gmcharlt |
paul_p: as in "no, we must not be exhausted" ;) |
| 18:20 |
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Brooke_ |
anything else relevant to 3.4? |
| 18:21 |
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Brooke_ |
movin' on |
| 18:21 |
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schuster |
Schuster - Plano ISD |
| 18:21 |
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thd |
mtj_: What did you mean by "about this Koha?" |
| 18:21 |
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Brooke_ |
#topic roles for 3.6 |
| 18:21 |
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Topic for #koha is now roles for 3.6 |
| 18:22 |
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Brooke_ |
soooo |
| 18:22 |
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Brooke_ |
we've a slight problem here |
| 18:22 |
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paul_p |
gmcharlt, lol |
| 18:22 |
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Brooke_ |
but it's not to big to surmount. |
| 18:22 |
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slef |
I don't remember who Frydolin is. |
| 18:22 |
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Brooke_ |
Most of our slate is unopposed |
| 18:22 |
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paul_p |
slef, Progilone, french company that won at least 2 contracts in France |
| 18:23 |
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paul_p |
(Lyon2 university, Bulac university) |
| 18:23 |
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Brooke_ |
so I think that we can probably manage a blanket affirmation on those. |
| 18:23 |
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* gmcharlt |
proposes that we proceed with votes on RM, TM, and DM for 3.6; with +1/0/-1 for the current (sole) candiates |
| 18:23 |
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Brooke_ |
also, a bunch of the usual suspects are missing |
| 18:23 |
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Brooke_ |
so the proposed Release Manager is Chris Cormack |
| 18:23 |
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slef |
gmcharlt: and RMaint? |
| 18:23 |
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Brooke_ |
all in favour |
| 18:23 |
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magnuse |
#link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.6 |
| 18:23 |
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space_librarian_home |
i think Rangi was resigned to his fate before he left |
| 18:24 |
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slef |
+1 |
| 18:24 |
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gmcharlt |
slef: yes, and RMaint |
| 18:24 |
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paul_p |
slef, http://www.progilone.com/Templates/Koha.htm |
| 18:24 |
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thd |
+1 |
| 18:24 |
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magnuse |
+1 |
| 18:24 |
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paul_p |
+1 |
| 18:24 |
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gmcharlt |
+1 |
| 18:24 |
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sekjal |
+1 |
| 18:24 |
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jcamins |
+1 |
| 18:24 |
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cait |
+1 |
| 18:24 |
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space_librarian_home |
+1 |
| 18:24 |
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wizzyrea |
+1 |
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| 18:24 |
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brendan_ |
+1 |
| 18:25 |
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davi |
0 |
| 18:25 |
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JesseM |
+1 |
| 18:25 |
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schuster |
+1 |
| 18:25 |
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kmkale |
+1 |
| 18:25 |
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* gmcharlt |
further moves that we vote on sekjal's bid to be QAM |
| 18:25 |
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Brooke_ |
#agreed Chris successfully suckered into another 6 months. |
| 18:26 |
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Brooke_ |
I'm gettin' there gmcharlt. |
| 18:26 |
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Brooke_ |
that's down the line. |
| 18:26 |
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Brooke_ |
I go by the list or I git too squirrelly ;P |
| 18:26 |
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Brooke_ |
Translation Manager is proposed to be Frédéric Demians |
| 18:26 |
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gmcharlt |
Brooke_: there is a motion on the table for voting on the slate of RM, TM, DM, and RMaint |
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| 18:27 |
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gmcharlt |
it might save time to vote on all of the unopposed positions |
| 18:27 |
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* slef |
thought "tabled" meant something different to USians |
| 18:27 |
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Brooke_ |
which is what I initially said, but I thought there was disagreement on that... |
| 18:28 |
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* paul_p |
was not sure to have understand, but anyway will say +1 once or 4 times. |
| 18:28 |
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gmcharlt |
slef: tabled != on the table, in US parliamentary speak |
| 18:28 |
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Brooke_ |
so how about this |
| 18:28 |
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Brooke_ |
we know chris is in |
| 18:28 |
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Brooke_ |
let's bundle the other posts |
| 18:28 |
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Brooke_ |
is everyone fine with that? |
| 18:28 |
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space_librarian_home |
yep |
| 18:29 |
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paul_p |
gmcharlt, in france, things that are on the table is usually food :D (kidding, we also use "tabled" in the "to be discussed" too) |
| 18:29 |
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gmcharlt |
yes |
| 18:29 |
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Brooke_ |
so |
| 18:29 |
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thd |
Brooke_: I see no opposition to a blanket vote in the log |
| 18:29 |
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slef |
paul_p: ("tabled" is "postponed" to US I think) |
| 18:29 |
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mtj__ |
i would like to propose a *new* position, some person/people to be elected as admins for the Koha lists on nabble.com |
| 18:29 |
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Brooke_ |
Frédéric Demians for Translation Manager, Nicole Engard for Documentation Manager, Ian Walls for QA, Chris Nighswonger for Release Maintainer |
| 18:29 |
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davi |
paul_p, in Spain the discussion of a subject can be on the table too |
| 18:30 |
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Brooke_ |
hang on to that idea mtj |
| 18:30 |
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Brooke_ |
I'll come back to it and if I don't yell at meh |
| 18:30 |
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mtj__ |
*nod* |
| 18:30 |
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Brooke_ |
so all in favour of the afforementioned blanket slate |
| 18:30 |
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gmcharlt |
+1 |
| 18:30 |
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magnuse |
+1 |
| 18:30 |
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space_librarian_home |
+1 |
| 18:30 |
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thd |
slef: 'tabled' meaning postponed is different from 'on the table' meaning the item for current discussion. |
| 18:30 |
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davi |
0 |
| 18:30 |
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slef |
0 |
| 18:30 |
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thd |
+1 |
| 18:30 |
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brendan_ |
+1 |
| 18:30 |
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cait |
+1 |
| 18:30 |
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JesseM |
+1 |
| 18:30 |
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paul_p |
+1 |
| 18:30 |
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wizzyrea |
+1 |
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cait |
and we have things on the table in Germany too ;) |
| 18:31 |
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sekjal |
+1 |
| 18:31 |
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slef |
thd: not in English English |
| 18:31 |
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jcamins |
+1 |
| 18:31 |
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schuster |
+1 |
| 18:31 |
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hdl |
+1 |
| 18:31 |
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slef |
thd: we use "shelved" for postponed instead. |
| 18:32 |
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paul_p |
should we vote to decide if we can use the "tabled" word ? :D :D |
| 18:32 |
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thd |
slef: Do you use 'tabled' at all? |
| 18:32 |
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slef |
paul_p: yeah and we'll lose and still get confused! |
| 18:32 |
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* gmcharlt |
proposes that we use whatever the French term is ;) |
| 18:32 |
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slef |
thd: yes, to describe the state of the motion on the table. |
| 18:33 |
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Brooke_ |
there's a current motion, and there are actions on the table, but not usually both at once |
| 18:33 |
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Brooke_ |
anyhoo |
| 18:33 |
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Brooke_ |
think it's safe to say |
| 18:33 |
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Brooke_ |
#agreed the motion carries |
| 18:33 |
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Brooke_ |
that leaves us with Bug Wrangler |
| 18:33 |
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Brooke_ |
and a proposal for a new slot |
| 18:34 |
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thd |
slef: What is the standard manual for parliamentary procedure in the UK? |
| 18:34 |
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paul_p |
looking at bugwrangler position on the wiki page, I see "to do some PR about the work done", that's what I suggested a few mn ago with my weekly mail ;-) I candidate to write this PR. You'll enjoy my english ;-) |
| 18:34 |
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gmcharlt |
I propose that both applications for Bug Wrangler be accepted |
| 18:34 |
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slef |
thd: I think the Speaker makes it up as he goes along. |
| 18:34 |
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thd |
:) |
| 18:34 |
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paul_p |
the more bugwrangler we have the better it is. |
| 18:34 |
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thd |
pau_p++++ |
| 18:34 |
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cait |
gmcharlt++ |
| 18:34 |
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Brooke_ |
I <3 that proposal gmcharlt |
| 18:35 |
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paul_p |
and I feel i've been a BW recently, event without the official position... |
| 18:35 |
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* Brooke_ |
notes that paul is getting dangerously close to a nomination with those words... |
| 18:35 |
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slef |
just to check, everyone has noticed my drastic WONTFIX plan? |
| 18:35 |
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mtj__ |
im keen to be a bug-wrangler |
| 18:35 |
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* paul_p |
knew that and accept the position if ppl want ;-) |
| 18:36 |
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Brooke_ |
so then, I'll entertain a motion to have Marcel de Rooy, MJ Ray, and Paul Poulain as Bug Wranglers. |
| 18:36 |
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cait |
I think the more bug wranglers the better |
| 18:36 |
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thd |
slef: Would explain you won't fix plan? |
| 18:36 |
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gmcharlt |
slef: noticed, though I'd prefer that those bugs be at least glanced at individually before being marked WONTFIX |
| 18:36 |
|
* gmcharlt |
is willing to help with that |
| 18:36 |
|
cait |
I will try to spend more time on it too - after march is over |
| 18:36 |
|
slef |
gmcharlt: yes, I plan to check each one. |
| 18:36 |
|
paul_p |
slef, or there is something i'm misunderstanding, or I agree with your proposition |
| 18:36 |
|
cait |
too many projects at the moment :( |
| 18:36 |
|
slef |
thd: so that we can concentrate on 3.6, I'd systematically check and RESOLVE WONTFIX the ~140 bugs reported not against maintained versions and I'd suggest reclassifying the 771 bugs reported against master as reported against the version which immediately follows the date they were reported |
| 18:37 |
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mtj__ |
Brooke_: can i be a bug-wrangler too? |
| 18:37 |
|
Brooke_ |
hmmm |
| 18:37 |
|
Brooke_ |
this is pretty fluid |
| 18:37 |
|
Brooke_ |
what do we do with this as a group? |
| 18:37 |
|
sekjal |
is there a formal relationship between the Bug Wranglers and the QAM? |
| 18:37 |
|
Brooke_ |
should we have a wrangler of the month? |
| 18:37 |
|
davi |
sometimes WONTFIX can be as a wish for future version |
| 18:37 |
|
Brooke_ |
or a team with an appointed chair? |
| 18:37 |
|
gmcharlt |
sekjal: I thnk that would be up to the QAM and the bug wranglers to work out |
| 18:38 |
|
cait |
some bugs might be reported against older versions but still be existing on master |
| 18:38 |
|
thd |
slef: I had read that but do you mean not maintained is that bugs reported against 3.0 would not be fixed if no longer maintained? |
| 18:38 |
|
sekjal |
gmcharlt: sounds good |
| 18:38 |
|
Brooke_ |
should we then allow Ian to appoint as many bug wranglers as he deems fit? |
| 18:38 |
|
paul_p |
Brooke_, team-member of the month is only used in Mc Donalds here, so it's really not something ppl are proud to be ;-) |
| 18:38 |
|
* gmcharlt |
is in favor of having anybody who wants to wrangle bugs to get the title of Bug Wrangler, as long as they publicly commit to put in a reasonable amount of effort to it |
| 18:38 |
|
slef |
thd: yes, and all the 2.x and 1.x ones. |
| 18:39 |
|
paul_p |
slef, i fear it will be a mountain to move ! |
| 18:39 |
|
mtj__ |
gmcharlt++ , i agree |
| 18:39 |
|
paul_p |
that's so many !!! |
| 18:39 |
|
paul_p |
gmcharlt++ |
| 18:39 |
|
Brooke_ |
so then |
| 18:39 |
|
Brooke_ |
open position |
| 18:39 |
|
magnuse |
gmcharlt++ |
| 18:39 |
|
Brooke_ |
that reports to the QA manager |
| 18:39 |
|
slef |
paul_p: 140ish, plus some fraction of the 700+ bugs labelled master. |
| 18:39 |
|
Brooke_ |
and receives recognition at some point that they're an official bug wrangler |
| 18:40 |
|
Brooke_ |
the top wrangler can get a can of raid in the post ;) |
| 18:40 |
|
thd |
slef: I assume that reporters would be notified with the suggestion that they login and reopen any bug which they believe still exists. |
| 18:40 |
|
slef |
thd: reopen and update the labels, yes. |
| 18:40 |
|
schuster |
part of the problem with the old ones it is hard to locate the originator... |
| 18:40 |
|
Brooke_ |
resolved: as many wranglers as will step forward |
| 18:40 |
|
paul_p |
slef, /me think it would be more interesting to test/close pushed patches don't you agree ? |
| 18:41 |
|
gmcharlt |
thd: slef: and if a bug is marked WONTFIX, a comment could be added that the WONTFIX was done semi-automatically, and is not meant as a moral pronouncement on the validity of the bug |
| 18:41 |
|
paul_p |
s/interesting/useful/ |
| 18:41 |
|
thd |
gmcharlt++ |
| 18:41 |
|
slef |
paul_p: making it easier to find relevant things in bugzilla will free everyone's time for working on current development. |
| 18:41 |
|
paul_p |
agreed |
| 18:42 |
|
schuster |
slef++ |
| 18:42 |
|
slef |
this is unfun grunt work, but it's been left too long |
| 18:42 |
|
Brooke_ |
moving on to admins for the Koha lists on Nabble |
| 18:42 |
|
paul_p |
OK, rereading your proposal, I misunderstood something slef ! |
| 18:42 |
|
paul_p |
slef++ |
| 18:42 |
|
thd |
Can we have a label for closed by rule but without investigation? |
| 18:42 |
|
paul_p |
very good idea ! |
| 18:42 |
|
gmcharlt |
mtj: could you clarify what you mean by Nabble admin? |
| 18:43 |
|
gmcharlt |
I thought Nabble itself was just one (of several) archives of the mailng list |
| 18:43 |
|
paul_p |
why does not everybody in the world speak french? that would make my life so easier :D |
| 18:43 |
|
gmcharlt |
*list |
| 18:43 |
|
mtj__ |
yeah, i would like to ask the admins at nabble, to grant access to the Koha lists at nabble.com |
| 18:43 |
|
mtj__ |
these lists... -> http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/ |
| 18:44 |
|
slef |
It is, but the admin can update headers and so on. I think kados is the admin. |
| 18:44 |
|
mtj__ |
for 1 or 2 elected kc.org people |
| 18:44 |
|
gmcharlt |
whoever it is did change the project link to koha-community.org |
| 18:44 |
|
slef |
I got the koha nabble moved to the new site, but I find nabble very hard to use. |
| 18:44 |
|
slef |
Ah, that was probably me whinging at them repeatedly :) |
| 18:45 |
|
gmcharlt |
coo |
| 18:45 |
|
gmcharlt |
cool, even |
| 18:45 |
|
slef |
oh yeah, it says Hugo <Nabble> is the admin now. |
| 18:45 |
|
mtj__ |
gmcharlt: hugo, a nabble admin did that, as i asked him to , last week-ish |
| 18:45 |
|
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irma joined #koha |
| 18:45 |
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slef |
mtj__: ah, well done! I didn't think I got anywhere! |
| 18:45 |
|
mtj__ |
so currently, only hugo nabble is an admin... |
| 18:46 |
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paul_p |
slef, previously, joshua upgraded all bug from N to N+1 when N was released. I think it means many bugs are now irrelevant, so setting WONTFIX is really a good idea ! |
| 18:46 |
|
slef |
mtj__: are you willing to admin? |
| 18:46 |
|
slef |
anyone else willing to admin? |
| 18:46 |
|
mtj__ |
i propose we elect 1/2 people here, and ask hugo et al nicely f they will grant them admin access |
| 18:46 |
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cait |
paul_p/slef: can we reopen bugs if we find they still apply to master/3.2? |
| 18:46 |
|
* gmcharlt |
tosses name in the hat for redundancy's sake |
| 18:46 |
|
mtj__ |
i am willing to admin the nabble lists |
| 18:46 |
|
gmcharlt |
cait: sure |
| 18:46 |
|
thd |
slef: Can we have a label in bugzilla for closed by rule but without investigation? |
| 18:47 |
|
Brooke_ |
so I'm hearing gmcharlt and mtj |
| 18:47 |
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paul_p |
cait, of course ! |
| 18:47 |
|
Brooke_ |
anyone else? |
| 18:47 |
|
irma |
Hi all - Irma from CALYX - sorry I am so late ... |
| 18:47 |
|
Brooke_ |
all in favour of gmcharlt and mtj as nabble admins |
| 18:47 |
|
mtj__ |
http://nabble-support.1.n2.nab[…]182.html#a6030223 |
| 18:48 |
|
slef |
thd: I think a message is better, but maybe a bugzilla admin can tell us if that's possible. |
| 18:48 |
|
Brooke_ |
oi |
| 18:48 |
|
Brooke_ |
vote. |
| 18:48 |
|
space_librarian_home |
+1 |
| 18:48 |
|
slef |
+1 |
| 18:48 |
|
kmkale |
+1 |
| 18:48 |
|
jcamins |
+1 |
| 18:48 |
|
gmcharlt |
thd: slef: yes, a new status could be added, but I prefer simply using a message |
| 18:48 |
|
slef |
(anything so I don't have to use that site again!) |
| 18:48 |
|
hdl |
+1 |
| 18:48 |
|
paul_p |
+1 |
| 18:48 |
|
sekjal |
+1 |
| 18:48 |
|
mtj__ |
+1 |
| 18:49 |
|
thd |
gmcharlt: How can the message be found systematically? |
| 18:49 |
|
thd |
+1 |
| 18:49 |
|
gmcharlt |
thd: why would it need to? |
| 18:49 |
|
hdl |
thd: it will be sent to the reporter. |
| 18:49 |
|
gmcharlt |
somebody who cares about a particular issue would either reopen it or file a new bug |
| 18:49 |
|
JesseM |
+1 |
| 18:50 |
|
magnuse |
+1 |
| 18:50 |
|
thd |
gmcharlt: If you are looking for bugs which might be present but had been closed without investigation there should be a way to find them. |
| 18:50 |
|
Brooke_ |
#action motion carries |
| 18:51 |
|
slef |
thd: search bug content for a phrase or tag we put in the message. |
| 18:51 |
|
Brooke_ |
moving on |
| 18:51 |
|
Brooke_ |
#topic KohaCon 11 |
| 18:51 |
|
|
Topic for #koha is now KohaCon 11 |
| 18:52 |
|
Brooke_ |
kmkale it's all yours :D |
| 18:52 |
|
kmkale |
hi all |
| 18:52 |
|
slef |
hi kmkale! |
| 18:52 |
|
thd |
slef: The message would be fine if there is a consistent word or tag used. |
| 18:52 |
|
kmkale |
Thanks to the commmunity form choosing India for Kohacon 11 |
| 18:52 |
|
kmkale |
I have prepared a Koha wiki page at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon2011 |
| 18:52 |
|
kmkale |
and a website at http://kohacon11.vpmthane.org/ocs ( this is running on Open Conference System from http://pkp.sfu.ca/ocs/) |
| 18:52 |
|
cait |
paul_p: I suggest adding the bugs list as qa contact before closing those bugs - it's missing on a lot of them |
| 18:53 |
|
magnuse |
kmkale++ |
| 18:53 |
|
kmkale |
At our end we are setting up sub-committees to handle conference arrangements, accomodation assistance, travelling guide, food guide, a day trip to Mumbai, getting sponsors, cultural program / conference dinner etc.. |
| 18:53 |
|
Brooke_ |
#link http://kohacon11.vpmthane.org/ocs/index.php/k/k11 |
| 18:54 |
|
paul_p |
kmkale, the kohacon11.vpmthane.org is very slow from here at this time. Is there a known reason for this slowness ? |
| 18:54 |
|
* chris_n |
= Chris Nighswonger, 3.2.x Release Maintainer... and very late :P |
| 18:54 |
|
gmcharlt |
chris_n: and now 3.4.x Release Maintainer ;) |
| 18:54 |
|
paul_p |
chris_n, too late, you've been elected 3.4 Rmaint :D |
| 18:55 |
|
kmkale |
paul_p: its hosted inside campus. which has nill traffic atm. so i see no reason |
| 18:55 |
|
kmkale |
may be a dns or routes issue between the two end points? |
| 18:55 |
|
gmcharlt |
kmkale: would you be willing to extend the deadline call for papers a bit, say, to the end of July? |
| 18:55 |
|
chris_n |
:-) |
| 18:55 |
|
paul_p |
so it can be my connexion. Or india <=> france that is slow somewhere |
| 18:55 |
|
kmkale |
gmcharlt: sure. I want us to discuss and decide these sorta points |
| 18:56 |
|
kmkale |
may be form a comitee here to discuss and decidce |
| 18:56 |
|
gmcharlt |
kmkale: cool. another question - are you considering papers to be distinct from presentation proposals? |
| 18:56 |
|
Brooke_ |
worse ideas have been proposed ;) |
| 18:56 |
|
gmcharlt |
or the same thing |
| 18:56 |
|
kmkale |
same thing basically |
| 18:56 |
|
gmcharlt |
ok |
| 18:56 |
|
kmkale |
what you see at the above site is what comes with the ocs basically |
| 18:57 |
|
gmcharlt |
gotcha |
| 18:57 |
|
kmkale |
needs work |
| 18:57 |
|
kmkale |
I would like us to form a committee of volunteers here to work on call for papers, paper selection, presentation scheduling, keynote address etc. |
| 18:57 |
|
paul_p |
it's a cool framework to help organizing a conf if it's what is provided by default ! |
| 18:58 |
|
kmkale |
thanks to SandeepBhavsar for finding and suggesting it |
| 18:58 |
|
gmcharlt |
I would like to volunteer to be a (remote) member of that committee |
| 18:58 |
|
paul_p |
SandeepBhavsar++ |
| 18:58 |
|
space_librarian_home |
I volunteer too |
| 18:58 |
|
kmkale |
great |
| 18:58 |
|
paul_p |
(wow long name to type ;-) ) |
| 18:58 |
|
kmkale |
Also let us discuss and decide conference volunteers meeting times, the general timeline for events leading up to the conference like call for papers duration, last date of papers, programme finalization etc |
| 18:58 |
|
paul_p |
kmkale, I candidate to help on the hackfest organization |
| 18:59 |
|
kmkale |
super |
| 18:59 |
|
kmkale |
paul_p had mentioned that he would like a longer hackfest following the kohacon. We can discuss that and decide on the number of days. I am pretty sure we can manage to provide a venue like a conference room or lab or a classroom for the hackfest duration. |
| 18:59 |
|
kmkale |
with wi-fi |
| 19:00 |
|
Brooke_ |
wi-fi and beer? Catalyst gave you a high bar, ye know... |
| 19:00 |
|
paul_p |
I'm probably with chris the only one who participated to the 3 previous hackfest, so have a little experience now ;-) |
| 19:00 |
|
kmkale |
aye venue is a college |
| 19:00 |
|
kmkale |
so no beer and no smoking |
| 19:00 |
|
kmkale |
but we can all go out after hours ;) |
| 19:01 |
|
thd |
kmkale: Is there a room big enough for all the people who voted for Thane? |
| 19:01 |
|
paul_p |
(thinking of it, yes, chris & me are the only ones who made the 3 conferences in France/USA/NZ ;-) ) |
| 19:01 |
|
gmcharlt |
kmkale: that might make for better code, though, so it's all good ;) |
| 19:01 |
|
slef |
please remember that each extra day increases the costs for attendees which increases the cost of Koha for libraries if it is priced fairly |
| 19:01 |
|
kmkale |
thd: we have 4 seminar halls of 200 capacities each all interconnected with polycokm video conferencing hardware |
| 19:02 |
|
kmkale |
so we can have parallel sessions if we get that much participation |
| 19:02 |
|
paul_p |
kmkale, how many ppl from india to you think we may get ? (for the user conf I mean) ? |
| 19:02 |
|
paul_p |
(really up to 800 ?) |
| 19:02 |
|
mtj__ |
slef: the hackfest days are optional tho, so people dont need to attend those |
| 19:02 |
|
kmkale |
paul_p: I have done 4 or 5 koha trainings at various colleges so far |
| 19:03 |
|
magnuse |
slef: everyone doesn't have to stay for the whole hackfest... |
| 19:03 |
|
kmkale |
at each one ( paid trainings at that ) we had to send back librarians |
| 19:03 |
|
hdl |
or you can choose between hackfest and user conference |
| 19:03 |
|
slef |
mtj__: optional, but seems to be expected. |
| 19:03 |
|
kmkale |
so we will get excellent indian participation. people are eager to learn Koha |
| 19:04 |
|
paul_p |
wow... well : NZ 4million ppl, 60ppl at the conference, India 1.2billion, so 300x, the goal is 18 000 attendees then :D |
| 19:04 |
|
kmkale |
we need good speakers and topics. |
| 19:04 |
|
thd |
kmkale: You would need a large theatre or sports arena to hold everyone who voted for Thane :) |
| 19:04 |
|
magnuse |
paul_p++ ;-) |
| 19:04 |
|
kmkale |
which will help librarians get started in Koha and help developers get into koha |
| 19:04 |
|
hdl |
not only into koha as it stands... but maybe also as it could grow. |
| 19:05 |
|
slef |
paul_p: more realistically, it should be 660 people (= first choice votes for Thane, less some who can't go for various reasons, plus some who put it as a lower choice) |
| 19:05 |
|
space_librarian_home |
kmkale: so, do you have any themes for the kohacon you wish to highlight? |
| 19:05 |
|
paul_p |
what about some workshops about koha + other OSS tools for libraries (greenstone, Drupal/Joomla,...) |
| 19:05 |
|
slef |
Brooke_: kmkale: sorry, what do we need to do here? |
| 19:06 |
|
hdl |
kete |
| 19:06 |
|
hdl |
Dspace |
| 19:06 |
|
|
irma left #koha |
| 19:06 |
|
paul_p |
oops... sorry to have forgottent kete ... |
| 19:06 |
|
Brooke_ |
I think |
| 19:06 |
|
kmkale |
What i have in mind is help librarians and developers get started and hooked on Koha |
| 19:07 |
|
Brooke_ |
we empower kmkale redundantly to go form a committee and report back with their progress next month |
| 19:07 |
|
paul_p |
Brooke_++ |
| 19:07 |
|
gmcharlt |
Brooke_: sounds good |
| 19:07 |
|
space_librarian_home |
Brooke_++ |
| 19:07 |
|
chris_n |
+1 |
| 19:07 |
|
gmcharlt |
kmkale: I also suggest that you call monthly KohaCon meetings in #koha |
| 19:07 |
|
slef |
kmkale: can you remove the eye test from http://kohacon11.vpmthane.org/[…]/k11/user/account please, or at least provide another way to register? |
| 19:08 |
|
thd |
Brooke++ |
| 19:08 |
|
slef |
(OpenID would be good) |
| 19:08 |
|
kmkale |
slef: will do |
| 19:08 |
|
thd |
gmcharlt++ |
| 19:08 |
|
kmkale |
gmcharlt: will do |
| 19:08 |
|
kmkale |
need more volunteers |
| 19:08 |
|
slef |
Brooke_++ |
| 19:08 |
|
Brooke_ |
anything else, other than excitement about KohaCon 11? |
| 19:08 |
|
gmcharlt |
KohaCon11++ |
| 19:08 |
|
slef |
KohaCon11++ |
| 19:08 |
|
Brooke_ |
#help KohaCon 11 committee members and volunteers: see Kmkale |
| 19:08 |
|
kmkale |
are we all good with tyhe proposed dates? |
| 19:08 |
|
slef |
kmkale: thanks |
| 19:09 |
|
kmkale |
what about hackfest duration |
| 19:09 |
|
Brooke_ |
one further note |
| 19:09 |
|
Brooke_ |
I'm very happy that no one went for each other's jugular upon hearing the results. |
| 19:09 |
|
paul_p |
kmkale, let's speak of it on a commetee : depend on what we want to do during this fest. |
| 19:09 |
|
kmkale |
paul_p: ok |
| 19:09 |
|
Brooke_ |
I hope in future as the conference rotates that everyone gets a crack at having it in their respective backyards. :) |
| 19:09 |
|
thd |
kmkale: Does the date include both the conference and the developers' sessions? |
| 19:10 |
|
mtj__ |
kmkale: i'm volunteering to help |
| 19:10 |
|
paul_p |
As i've already said, I think it could be worthwhile to have 2 parts : "learning to hack" then "real/deep hacking" |
| 19:10 |
|
kmkale |
are we all good with the proposed dates? we can throw open registrations and start working on accomodation and travel then |
| 19:10 |
|
slef |
kmkale: I'm OK with those dates as far as I know just now. |
| 19:10 |
|
paul_p |
kmkale, I think that unless there is a worldwide event at those dates, it's OK |
| 19:10 |
|
schuster |
paul_p ++ learning to hack... I'm still trying to figure that out! |
| 19:11 |
|
space_librarian_home |
dates look good. |
| 19:11 |
|
paul_p |
mmm... thinking of it : when is the rugby world cup exactly ? |
| 19:11 |
|
Brooke_ |
it's diwali then, yes? |
| 19:11 |
|
thd |
kmkale: How do the dates relate to paul_p's proposal for two part hacking period? |
| 19:11 |
|
space_librarian_home |
september |
| 19:11 |
|
Brooke_ |
september Paul |
| 19:11 |
|
kmkale |
Brooke_: Diwali ends 27th October |
| 19:11 |
|
Brooke_ |
perfect |
| 19:11 |
|
kmkale |
just past Diwali |
| 19:11 |
|
kmkale |
but you could come a bit early to enjoy the festival of lights :) |
| 19:11 |
|
slef |
9 Sep - 23 Oct http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/h[…]/pools/index.html |
| 19:12 |
|
paul_p |
Brooke_, start on sept, ends on oct, 23 |
| 19:12 |
|
Brooke_ |
so rugger buggers have no excuse :P |
| 19:12 |
|
paul_p |
so no overlap (that would be a real problem for chris & all kiwis ;-) ) |
| 19:12 |
|
space_librarian_home |
yes! |
| 19:12 |
|
space_librarian_home |
:p |
| 19:13 |
|
mtj__ |
i think i'm cuming early, for Diwali |
| 19:13 |
|
Brooke_ |
okay moving on |
| 19:13 |
|
thd |
paul_p: How do the closing date relate to your proposal for two part hacking period? |
| 19:13 |
|
Brooke_ |
#topic Security Issues |
| 19:13 |
|
|
Topic for #koha is now Security Issues |
| 19:13 |
|
pastebot0 |
"gmcharlt" at 68.101.78.67 pasted "security list proposal" (24 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/163 |
| 19:13 |
|
kmkale |
thd: conference 3 days 1 day Mumbai trip 3 day hackfest = 31st Oct to 6th Nov |
| 19:13 |
|
gmcharlt |
#link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ing_List_Proposal |
| 19:13 |
|
paul_p |
thd, I think the closing date could/should be later than 6th |
| 19:13 |
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schuster |
FYI international library conference tracker - http://www.conferencealerts.com/library.htm |
| 19:13 |
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kmkale |
but we can extend the hackfest if community decides to do so |
| 19:14 |
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paul_p |
what i've experienced : after 3days of conf everybody is tired & happy to have a restful week-end. Then hackfest |
| 19:14 |
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gmcharlt |
details are in the link I just posted, but to boil down the proposal, I propose creating a new limited purpose mailing list for the confidential reporting and discussion of security bugs that aren't reported to Bugzilla |
| 19:14 |
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kmkale |
mtj__: good for you. Its the biggest festival here |
| 19:14 |
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gmcharlt |
with goal of quick resolution to security issues |
| 19:14 |
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gmcharlt |
and transparency via a time-delayed public archive |
| 19:14 |
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thd |
paul_p++ |
| 19:14 |
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slef |
I suggest we should recycle koha-manage to be that list. |
| 19:15 |
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slef |
We don't need two private lists. |
| 19:15 |
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gmcharlt |
slef: I disagree; I'd rather that we simply close koha-manage |
| 19:15 |
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paul_p |
slef, koha-manage is not used. Whe have some archives that should not be set public |
| 19:15 |
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thd |
A restful weekend is much better than tired people at a hackfest. |
| 19:15 |
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gmcharlt |
"koha-manage" as a name does not apply to the purpose I'm proposing koha-security for |
| 19:15 |
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paul_p |
I prefer to close it definetly |
| 19:15 |
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gmcharlt |
and it's not like it's expensive to create mailing lists |
| 19:15 |
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paul_p |
I agree with galen |
| 19:15 |
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mtj__ |
me too |
| 19:16 |
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slef |
I think labelling it koha-security will attract misdirected posts about more general security topics. |
| 19:16 |
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paul_p |
about delayed archives = is there a way to do that wit mailman ? |
| 19:16 |
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gmcharlt |
paul_p: I'm sure something can be hacked together; I'm willing to work out the details |
| 19:16 |
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slef |
it's not expensive to create mailing lists, but it is expensive to admin them well and to have the right people subscribed and participating well. |
| 19:16 |
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gmcharlt |
slef: we can simply redirect people to koha-devel in such instances |
| 19:17 |
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paul_p |
yes, and on mailman list header & koha-community.org, we can be very clear ! |
| 19:17 |
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thd |
gmcharlt: are the bugs so dangerous that they need to have the security of not being published until they are patched? |
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paul_p |
thd, right |
| 19:17 |
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gmcharlt |
paul_p: to confirm, BibLibre would be willing to provide hosting for such a list, (along with the other lists you already host?) |
| 19:17 |
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slef |
Amend this proposal to close koha-manage too? |
| 19:18 |
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gmcharlt |
slef: +1 to closing koha-manage |
| 19:18 |
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paul_p |
thd, the 3.2.5 contains a fix that let anyone without any permission delete all authorities in your catalogue :\ |
| 19:18 |
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paul_p |
(well the fix prevent this, not enable it ;-) ) |
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paul_p |
+1 to closing koha-manage |
| 19:18 |
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mtj__ |
+1 to closing koha-manage |
| 19:18 |
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gmcharlt |
thd: there are some where as a matter of practice, having a *bit* of time to work out a fix would help |
| 19:19 |
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slef |
paul_p: the current mailman listinfo pages are mostly unhelpful, containing only the default bugzilla text. |
| 19:19 |
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gmcharlt |
thd: plus, as was the case with the specific incident, the person who found the security issue was not willing to simply post it to bugzilla |
| 19:19 |
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gmcharlt |
and I'd rather that we get security bug reports rather than not get them |
| 19:19 |
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paul_p |
slef, what could/should we add ? (correct english welcomed !) |
| 19:19 |
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schuster |
+1 close koha-manage - that list gave me fits way back to KohaCon09... forgiveness requested if you were on it. Chances are you were not the one causing the consternation! |
| 19:20 |
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mtj__ |
yeah, koha-manage does have some bad karma |
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cait |
+1 for gmcharlt's proposal |
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cait |
and +1 for closing koha-manage |
| 19:20 |
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schuster |
How often do we have "security" concerns of this magnitude? |
| 19:20 |
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paul_p |
about the security ML, if it's a invitation-only mailing list, then ppl can't write to it. So how will ppl be able to report a security issue ? |
| 19:20 |
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thd |
How do you decide who is safe enough to subscribe? |
| 19:21 |
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gmcharlt |
schuster: thus far, once or twice a year |
| 19:21 |
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gmcharlt |
I don't expect that koha-security will be high-volume |
| 19:21 |
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slef |
paul_p: permitted senders != subscribers |
| 19:21 |
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paul_p |
schuster, the more eyes seing the code, the more ppl finding such problems ;-) |
| 19:21 |
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paul_p |
slef, yep, but if anyone can send, we may get zillions of spams. But nevermind, we will deal with it. |
| 19:22 |
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schuster |
Obviously the person who reported this figured out who to talk with... I suspect then the RM and others were contacted to "find help" to resolve the problem? |
| 19:22 |
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paul_p |
schuster, just FYI, the guy who reported this one is ... a french catholic monk ! |
| 19:22 |
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slef |
paul_p: so you'll need a moderator |
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gmcharlt |
slef: I am willing to moderate and despam |
| 19:22 |
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paul_p |
schuster, exactly |
| 19:22 |
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slef |
and one who is a bit faster than the current list moderators IIRC |
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Brooke_ |
okie dokie |
| 19:23 |
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Brooke_ |
so is it safe to presume we've resolved to shut manage and open security? |
| 19:23 |
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gmcharlt |
schuster: yes, basically because I told the reporter what to do |
| 19:23 |
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slef |
paul_p: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Koha_List_Welcome is the suggestion for the koha list, but it doesn't seem to be on http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha yet. |
| 19:23 |
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gmcharlt |
schuster: I'd just like to have it a little more formalized |
| 19:23 |
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paul_p |
slef, for this one (katipo.co.nz), I can't do anything ;-) |
| 19:23 |
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slef |
I think the name should be something like koha-devel-private |
| 19:24 |
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schuster |
Dislikes closed lists - and it has been beat into him with FOSS to stay as transparent as possible... |
| 19:24 |
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slef |
but then I believe security should be full disclosure |
| 19:24 |
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slef |
which I think puts me in a minority here. |
| 19:24 |
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gmcharlt |
slef: "koha-devel-private" is broader scope than I intend |
| 19:24 |
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gmcharlt |
slef: this is not inconsistent with full disclosure |
| 19:25 |
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slef |
gmcharlt: how is it not? |
| 19:25 |
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cait |
I think private is not a good name |
| 19:25 |
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cait |
koha-securitiy-issues or something like that |
| 19:25 |
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slef |
cait: call a cat a cat. |
| 19:25 |
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thd |
cait++ |
| 19:25 |
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paul_p |
slef, once we will be on debian with apt-get update koha, I think Full disc will be fair. But as ofnow, many libraries can't afford checking everyday & installing immediatly a security release i think |
| 19:26 |
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gmcharlt |
slef: anybody who cares to make a fully public report of a security issue and is irresponsible enough to also publicize an exploit is not prevented from doing so |
| 19:26 |
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* Brooke_ |
has always wondered what data Librarians stick in their systems to make security an issue in the first place... |
| 19:26 |
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thd |
slef: The list contents should be disclosed after the bug is fixed or found to be mistakenly reported.. |
| 19:26 |
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slef |
paul_p: most libraries don't apt-get update AFAICT. |
| 19:26 |
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cait |
Brooke: data about persons |
| 19:26 |
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davi |
security coordinated disclosure++ |
| 19:26 |
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gmcharlt |
Brooke_: long history on that one; there were various incidents back in the day when the FBI did go after library patron records |
| 19:27 |
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davi |
just koha-security would be OK IMHO |
| 19:27 |
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paul_p |
librarians, no. but libraries sysop I think yes. And if we are on Debian, we will be on security updates as well, no ? So anyone just checking this list will be aware. |
| 19:27 |
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thd |
gmcharlt: They still do. |
| 19:27 |
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* Brooke_ |
spots a dead horse |
| 19:27 |
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paul_p |
koha-security sounds OK to me as well |
| 19:27 |
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gmcharlt |
and as with the bug fixed in 3.2.5, security issues also mean things like holes that allow an external attacker to cause arbitrary damage to a database |
| 19:28 |
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slef |
paul_p: have you met any who do? |
| 19:28 |
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paul_p |
yes, some, at cnrs labs |
| 19:28 |
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slef |
thd: ok, but that should be less than a year, right? |
| 19:28 |
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Brooke_ |
so, let's set this up |
| 19:28 |
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Brooke_ |
and just do it |
| 19:28 |
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paul_p |
(but I agree, none in small public libraries. That's why we strongly suggest hosted Koha as the best solution ;-) ) |
| 19:28 |
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slef |
sorry, six months |
| 19:28 |
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Brooke_ |
cause the meeting is v long by now |
| 19:29 |
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gmcharlt |
ok |
| 19:29 |
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mtj__ |
lets vote on the security list name, shall we? |
| 19:29 |
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Brooke_ |
#topic time and date of next meeitng |
| 19:29 |
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Topic for #koha is now time and date of next meeitng |
| 19:29 |
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gmcharlt |
I will work with BibLibre to start the list |
| 19:29 |
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thd |
slef: Disclosure should be as soon as people have had a reasonable time to update their installations. |
| 19:29 |
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paul_p |
Brooke_++, /me hungry ;-) |
| 19:29 |
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gmcharlt |
we can evaulate it after a few months |
| 19:29 |
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jwagner |
Question -- who is allowed to be a member of that list? |
| 19:29 |
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slef |
I'm really unhappy about encouraging security bugs into the dark, but I seem to be in a minority of one. |
| 19:29 |
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slef |
jwagner: read the links gmcharlt posted, please. |
| 19:30 |
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jwagner |
I did, what did I miss? |
| 19:30 |
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slef |
"membership to be RMs, RMaints, QAMs, past, present, and future" |
| 19:30 |
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gmcharlt |
slef: I guess I must have imagined writing things like "preference to simply use Bugzilla |
| 19:30 |
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gmcharlt |
" |
| 19:30 |
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Brooke_ |
6 April acceptable? |
| 19:30 |
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paul_p |
apr, 4-8th there will be the sprint in Marseille |
| 19:30 |
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slef |
gmcharlt: the list name sends mixed messages. |
| 19:30 |
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gmcharlt |
jwagner: and "other interested devs can join on request |
| 19:30 |
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gmcharlt |
" |
| 19:30 |
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davi |
slef, They will be on the dark, all koha dev will know, just that we will not publicity them |
| 19:30 |
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paul_p |
many ppl expected to work on 3.4 this week |
| 19:30 |
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Brooke_ |
13 April |
| 19:30 |
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Brooke_ |
? |
| 19:30 |
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davi |
s/They will/They will not/ |
| 19:31 |
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paul_p |
(not meaning it's not a good week for this meeting) |
| 19:31 |
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jwagner |
OK, thanks -- missed that line. |
| 19:31 |
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gmcharlt |
paul_p: actually, I think that 4/6 would be good even with the sprint |
| 19:31 |
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gmcharlt |
you can add a report on the sprint to the agenda |
| 19:31 |
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thd |
slef: I think that we should encourage people to describe the type of problem publicly without enough public detail to reproduce the issue where it is too scary. |
| 19:31 |
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paul_p |
gmcharlt, yes, I think so, just reminding that ;-) |
| 19:31 |
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Brooke_ |
so back to 6 April? |
| 19:31 |
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gmcharlt |
6 April |
| 19:32 |
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paul_p |
Brooke_, OK to me. And if daylight time for europe it will even be better ;-) |
| 19:33 |
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slef |
I've no preference between 6 and 13. |
| 19:34 |
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magnuse |
i'd say 6th - might be good to have a few days before the scheduled relaese on 22nd, perhaps? |
| 19:34 |
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space_librarian_home |
6 April is good. |
| 19:34 |
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* kmkale |
yawns its past 1 am |
| 19:34 |
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slef |
kmkale puts us all to shame |
| 19:34 |
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thd |
slef: I presume that Debian has no secret security related lists but I assume that there are secret security lists for upstream projects while patches are being developed. |
| 19:35 |
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paul_p |
kmkale, sweet dreams ! |
| 19:35 |
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kmkale |
so 6th is it? what time? |
| 19:35 |
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Brooke_ |
that's the question |
| 19:35 |
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Brooke_ |
who takes the bullet this go |
| 19:35 |
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paul_p |
8 hours sooner than today ? |
| 19:35 |
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space_librarian_home |
ack! |
| 19:35 |
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space_librarian_home |
not for the kiwis! |
| 19:35 |
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mtj__ |
12+ hours the start of this meeting |
| 19:35 |
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gmcharlt |
thd: an example http://httpd.apache.org/security_report.html |
| 19:35 |
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paul_p |
should we do8 hours sooner than the previous meeting each time ? |
| 19:36 |
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slef |
kmkale is in the worst time now IIRC |
| 19:36 |
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kmkale |
slef: not so bad |
| 19:36 |
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space_librarian_home |
It's going 8:45am here |
| 19:36 |
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paul_p |
I think no time is easy for everybody |
| 19:36 |
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davi |
thd, there can be at least some private emails exchange upstream |
| 19:36 |
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schuster |
paul_p ++ |
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paul_p |
that's why I suggest to have a lasttime -8H everytime |
| 19:37 |
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schuster |
If it is important people will be there... |
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thd |
space_librarian_home: Your time will be very reasonable compared to the US. |
| 19:37 |
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kmkale |
8hrs sooner i.e. 10.00 utc works for me |
| 19:37 |
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mtj__ |
paul_p++ yeah, i agree |
| 19:37 |
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Brooke_ |
I'd propse 8 |
| 19:37 |
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sekjal |
rotating by 8 is good.... but i think we've been going + 8H... last one was 10:00 UTC |
| 19:37 |
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paul_p |
and next time that will be 2utc, and next time ... |
| 19:37 |
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space_librarian_home |
thd: point taken. |
| 19:37 |
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Brooke_ |
that way kiwis aren't also taking a hit |
| 19:37 |
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thd |
10.00 UTC ++ |
| 19:37 |
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magnuse |
10.00 UTC ++ |
| 19:37 |
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Brooke_ |
it's horribly early for yanks, but at least it's good for others |
| 19:38 |
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davi |
10.00 UTC ++ |
| 19:38 |
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gmcharlt |
Brooke_: we're used to it |
| 19:38 |
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gmcharlt |
+1 10:00 UTC+0 |
| 19:38 |
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slef |
+1 10:00 UTC+0 |
| 19:38 |
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slef |
(is 2 UTC good for anyone? We keep avoiding it) |
| 19:38 |
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paul_p |
Brooke_, , and next time, 2utc will be awful for us in europe |
| 19:38 |
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Brooke_ |
that is good for kiwis slef |
| 19:39 |
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Brooke_ |
so set |
| 19:39 |
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Brooke_ |
10AM UTC 6 April |
| 19:39 |
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space_librarian_home |
and for west coast US |
| 19:39 |
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thd |
Brooke_: Are you proposing 2:00 UTC? |
| 19:39 |
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mtj__ |
so +8 hours is the new rule for meeting starts... |
| 19:39 |
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Brooke_ |
#action 10 AM UTC 6 April |
| 19:39 |
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paul_p |
suggestion for next agenda : everybody speak french and come to france timezone :D |
| 19:39 |
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Brooke_ |
#endmeeting |
| 19:39 |
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Topic for #koha is now Koha 3.2.5 is now available | Next IRC meeting 2 Mar. 2011 18:00 UTC+0 | http://koha-community.org | This channel is logged | Pastes at http://paste.koha-community.org |
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huginn |
Meeting ended Wed Mar 2 19:46:33 2011 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 19:39 |
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huginn |
Minutes: http://librarypolice.com/koha-[…]-03-02-17.56.html |
| 19:39 |
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huginn |
Minutes (text): http://librarypolice.com/koha-[…]1-03-02-17.56.txt |
| 19:39 |
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huginn |
Log: http://librarypolice.com/koha-[…]02-17.56.log.html |
| 19:40 |
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kmkale |
huginn++ |
| 19:40 |
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kmkale |
good night all |
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space_librarian_home |
night! |
| 19:40 |
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paul_p |
ok, sweet dreams to ppl going to bed, good day to ppl starting work, good whateveryourtimezonemeans to others ! |
| 19:40 |
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* paul_p |
heading for dinner ! |
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thd |
mtj__: I think that +8 was passed over without discussion. |
| 19:40 |
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slef |
paul_p: c'est peut-être pas possible, l'appel était un peu trop tard |
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paul_p |
slef, ;-) |
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magnuse |
hiya jransom! |
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* Brooke_ |
waves to jransom |
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jransom |
hiya all |
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jransom |
only 1.5 hours late :( |
| 19:48 |
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jransom |
hope the meeting went well ... (off to track down ogs) |
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jransom |
aves back |
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thd is now known as thd-away |
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magnuse |
jransom: original gangstas? |
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* Brooke_ |
guesses dogs. |
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magnuse |
that would make sense too, i guess ;-) |
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jransom |
logs |
| 19:50 |
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jransom |
both wrong - so minus 1 point |
| 19:50 |
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jransom |
:D |
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magnuse |
:-( |
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magnuse |
jransom: logs, minutes etc: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ing,_2_March_2011 |
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Brooke_ |
awww |
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jransom |
thanks Magnus |
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magnuse |
my pleasure! |
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jransom |
had just there by myself - thansk to our love koha-community website |
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* magnuse |
must try to be quicker next time |
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* slef |
is looking up restaurants in a city he lived 15 years ago for a friend of a relative... why? |
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magnuse |
slef: because you can? |
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* magnuse |
bids #koha a good time-of-day! |
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* Brooke_ |
waves to tajoli |
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Brooke_ |
buona sera |
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tajoli |
I have forget the meeting |
| 19:56 |
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tajoli |
I'm reading the logs |
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tcohen |
atz: would you check if the string input of the function is a valid value or assume is ok? |
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jcamins |
tcohen: I don't know what the context is, but check. |
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tcohen |
if ($action eq 'updated' or $action eq 'deleted') ... else raise error code |
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tcohen |
s/raise/return |
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sekjal |
paul_p++ |
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slef |
davi: the problem with security issues only being told to a private list of developers is that the independent koha user won't even know they are vulnerable until they are exploited. |
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rangi |
morning |
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slef |
hi rangi |
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Brooke_ |
morning! |
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slef |
rangi: when you get time (ha!) can you put http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Koha_List_Welcome (back?) onto http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha please? |
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rangi |
probably wont be for a few days, but yep |
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rangi |
that mail does go out though |
| 20:19 |
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rangi |
now |
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slef |
ah, I've misunderstood |
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slef |
sorry |
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slef |
We need just the bit from "This is the general discussion list" onwards on the page, I think? |
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rangi |
ah yep, can do that |
| 20:21 |
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slef |
thanks |
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gmcharlt |
slef: if security issues languish in koha-security, that would be a failure of the people active in, in which case a reporter would be perfectly entitled to more broadly disclose |
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gmcharlt |
and I'm not suggesting that we be coy about the nature of security bugfixes once they are released |
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Brooke_ |
I propose that we lend my cat out to developers who are slow about bugfixing. They aren't allowed to give her back until the backlog is resolved. |
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gmcharlt |
Brooke_: that sounds ... ineffective as a threat :) |
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gmcharlt |
(at least for devs who aren't alergic to cats, of course) |
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* jcamins |
thinks it would probably work better than the same threat with my cat. |
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jcamins |
Also known as "Mr. Stop Working And Adore MEEEEE." |
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Brooke_ |
clearly you underaestimate how annoying socks is. |
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tcohen |
rangi: i have an update for sysprefs to send |
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tcohen |
but cannot translate to every language |
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tcohen |
just did it for english |
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tcohen |
so the test fails |
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tcohen |
rangi: do I really need to add the syspref to all sysprefs.sql files? |
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cait |
yes |
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cait |
but not translated |
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cait |
tcohen: if you don't and I install with german sample files next times I will miss sysprefs... and I don't like that ;) |
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tcohen |
cait: ok, i'll just copy them... |
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tcohen |
I thoght that was a bit more automated process |
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cait |
translation is done through the pref files |
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tcohen |
oook |
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rangi |
tcohen: it will go away eventually but for now, has to be done, or a fresh install for those languages will miss out on the sysprefs |
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tcohen |
allright |
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rangi |
thanks |
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rangi |
heres a trick |
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tcohen |
and the way to get that for es_ES is to create a similar folder? |
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rangi |
perl xt/author/syspref.t |
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rangi |
will tell you all the places its missing |
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rangi |
yes |
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rangi |
and update that test if you do that :) |
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JesseM |
how long did it take you to get your first contract signed |
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rangi |
ww JesseM ? |
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JesseM |
wrong window so sry all |
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jcamins |
Does collection.abs ring any bells for anyone? |
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tcohen |
rangi: was the xt/syspref.t use encourage talked in the koha-devel list? |
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tcohen |
or just on irc -> wiki? |
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tcohen |
i mean, the update-all-language's for submission encourage |
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* Brooke_ |
waves to space_librarian |
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* space_librarian_ |
waves back |
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Starting build 110 for job Koha_3.2.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #102 8 days 17 hr ago) |
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Starting build 62 for job Koha_Docs_Master_Branch (previous build: FIXED) |
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rangi |
thats not the new jenkins, im still setting it up |
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tcohen |
bye #koha |
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Project Koha_Docs_Master_Branch build #62: SUCCESS in 13 min: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]Master_Branch/62/ |
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jenkins_koha |
Nicole C. Engard: add new duplicate check from placing an order |
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cait |
time to sleep here - bye all :) |
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jenkins_koha |
Yippie, build fixed! |
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jenkins_koha |
Project Koha_3.2.x build #110: FIXED in 25 min: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]b/Koha_3.2.x/110/ |
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jenkins_koha |
* Marcel de Rooy: 2742 Encoding problem |
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* MJ Ray: bug 1953: Reduce risk of possible tainted supplierid call to C4::Serials::GetLateIssues |
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* Owen Leonard: Follow-up fix for Bug 4885 - Only 1 ISBN shows in non-XSL detail view |
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* Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 5812 - Tag Cloud - capitalized words come before lower-case words |
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* Owen Leonard: Follow-up fix for Bug 5733 - Empty cart in intranet when session is closed |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1953 normal, P3, ---, gmcharlt, REOPENED, remove possible SQL injection attacks |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4885 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, Only 1 ISBN shows in non-XSL detail view |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5812 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, RESOLVED FIXED, Tag Cloud - capitalized words come before lower-case words |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5733 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, RESOLVED FIXED, Empty cart in intranet when session is closed |
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MichaelNCAR |
Am I truly the only one here? |
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MichaelNCAR |
Is it siesta or something? |
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wizzyrea |
nah, it's just quiet today |
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MichaelNCAR |
So, a patron phoned me yesterday, reporting that a simple Koha catalog search was giving him errors. |
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MichaelNCAR |
We came to find that it seemed to be related to the fact that he was using Safari. |
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wizzyrea |
oo |
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jcamins |
MichaelNCAR: what version? |
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MichaelNCAR |
Though I see no such bugs on the wiki |
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MichaelNCAR |
Ah, I should inquire. |
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wizzyrea |
what kind of errors ^.^ |
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MichaelNCAR |
Well, I don't recall exactly...rather than return results, it spit out some kind of error msg. I'll inquire about that as well. |
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wizzyrea |
safari is the only browser that patron tried? |
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wizzyrea |
maybe it was the search he was trying |
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wizzyrea |
sometimes a corrupt bib causes searches to error |
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gmcharlt |
MichaelNCAR: for what it's worth, I just did a search on your catalog using Safari 5.0.3 |
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gmcharlt |
no apparent errors |
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wizzyrea |
which would seem to confirm that maybe it was *what* he was searching for, not *how* |
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MichaelNCAR |
While I had him on the phone, we tried a few different searches, all with the same error msg. Once he opened Firefox, all was well, of course. |
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wizzyrea |
aha, well that's a good sign |
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MichaelNCAR |
(thanks Galen, that's good to know) |
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MichaelNCAR |
Well, I've sent an email and will get back on here when Ihave more info |
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jcamins |
MichaelNCAR: what version of Koha? |
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MichaelNCAR |
3.01.00.145 |
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rangi |
ahh so you are not running a released version then? |
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gmcharlt |
it's a pre-3.2.0 git version |
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wizzyrea |
pretty close to 3.2.0 tho |
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* wizzyrea |
doesn't recall at what number db rev we rolled over |
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jcamins |
That's RC2. |
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jenkins_koha |
Yippie, build fixed! |
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jenkins_koha |
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bg |
@wunder 93109 |
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huginn |
bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 13.0�C (3:15 PM PST on March 02, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 30.13 in 1020.2 hPa (Rising). |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_5804' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]ac61995ea61add124> / Follow-up fix for Bug 5804, acqui duplicate warning <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]469e80a175e833c8c> |
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jenkins_koha |
Chris Cormack: Follow-up fix for Bug 5804, acqui duplicate warning |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5804 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, duplicate warning when ordering needs design work |
