IRC log for #koha, 2011-02-25

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00:02 hdl good night
00:18 rangi hmm time to stop answering emails
00:36 * chris_n checks in
00:39 chris_n eythian++
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02:45 Brooke_ kia ora
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03:45 * Brooke_ mulls over precisely how much reading would needs be done to understand partitioning properly...
03:46 mtj just enuff to choose 'all' :)
03:46 mtj 1, all, yes ...
03:46 Brooke_ yeah, that won't do it, unfortunately...
03:47 Brooke_ you'd think that buying Linux its own drive to play on would have made life easier
03:47 Brooke_ but nooooooo
03:47 * Brooke_ lets loose some naval class swears *again*
03:48 mtj heh, ive been dropping the f-bomb recently too
03:48 * Brooke_ titters at mj's idea of naval class swearing.
03:49 mtj feels pretty good, i gotta say..
03:49 Brooke_ bah, lock ye in a wee metal tube for a few months underwater and ye'll do better in time, laddy.
03:50 * mtj turns up the public-enemy
03:50 Brooke_ hehehe
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05:43 cait morning
05:47 ibeardslee evening ;)
05:48 * ibeardslee needs to head home of the eqnz stuff today
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07:02 cait good morning paul_ü
07:02 cait paul_p
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07:44 magnuse so how long did it take from someone reported a security vulnerability and until 3.2.5 was out?
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07:56 francharb hello #koha
08:00 magnuse hiya francharb
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08:01 kf good morning #koha
08:03 francharb morning magnuse, kf ;)
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08:05 magnuse hiya kf and paul_p
08:07 kf hi francharb, magnuse and paul_p
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08:14 rangi Less than a day magnuse
08:14 rangi Bout 16 hours
08:19 magnuse thanks, cool! floss ftw! ;-)
08:21 kf :)
08:21 kf talking about 3.0.5?
08:21 kf hi rangi
08:21 magnuse or 3.2.5 ;-)
08:21 kf oh right
08:23 magnuse and it was reported by someone in france, fixed by someone in the us and double checked by someone in nz?
08:25 rangi Pretty much yep
08:27 kf :)
08:28 kf is there a way to check for other problems like that?
08:32 magnuse and it's cool that the problem was discovered not because someone took advantage of a vulnerability, but because someone was able to inspect the source code
08:35 rangi We went on a hunt a while back that one must have snuck in
08:36 rangi Its always worth making sure placeholders are used
08:37 rangi Anytime you are editing a file its worth checking
08:37 * magnuse wonders how hard it would be to write a script that would look for variable interpolation in SQL statements... probably non-trivial...
08:38 rangi Yeah
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08:45 thd good morning paul_p
08:46 * magnuse suddenly remembers he hasn't had breakfast yet
08:46 magnuse is now known as magnus_breakfast
08:46 thd Who administers
08:47 * magnus_breakfast thinks it would be neat if the list at the bottom here also said who hosts what...
08:48 * thd looks at what is listed there
08:49 mtj magnus_breakfast:  bywater hosts
08:49 mtj one of the many helpful things bywater does for the Koha project
08:50 thd mtj: Do you know the pupose of the flashing button at the top of
08:51 mtj what flashing button?
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08:52 kmkale Namaskar #koha
08:52 kf hi kmkale
08:53 kmkale hi kf
08:53 thd mtj: Sorry, that seems to be a problem with my browser.
08:53 thd mtj: some strange graphics substitution.
09:01 thd mtj: Has everyone known to be involved in Koha in NZ and people dearest to them survived the earthquake unharmed?
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09:03 mtj as far as i know...
09:03 mtj there's still a lot of people unaccounted for :/
09:04 thd mtj: Is Wellington prone to earthquakes?
09:06 mtj yeah, apparently
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09:11 rangi We had a huge one in 1840
09:11 rangi And lie of a bunch of faultlines
09:11 rangi Of=on
09:13 * thd grew up in California with the house noticeably shaking at least twice a year.
09:14 mtj
09:15 rangi[…]/Wellington-Fault
09:18 rangi we are due an 8
09:18 rangi sometime in the next 50 years the geologists reckon
09:18 rangi but theres no point worrying about it
09:18 rangi theres not a lot you can do to prepare for an 8
09:19 * thd 's father had been head of design and safety of dams in California.
09:19 rangi having said that, i did make sure all our water bottles are full
09:19 magnuse sounds like a good precaution!
09:21 thd After my father retired from the California Department of Water Resources he did some work on earth quake preparedness for Los Angeles in the 1980s.
09:22 thd Los Angeles has multiple major faults and had had major earthquakes but had no emergency plan specifically for earthquakes in the early 1980s.
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09:23 hudsonbot Starting build 379 for job Koha_Master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #374 4 days 5 hr ago)
09:24 thd My emergency plan is only to visit but not live in earthquake prone areas.
09:26 thd One of the faults near San Francisco runs directly through the main libraries at UC Berkeley.
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09:28 magnuse tajoli++ # for posting his article to e-lis
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09:48 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #379: STILL UNSTABLE in 24 min: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]/Koha_Master/379/
10:24 rangi[…]ng-ict-community/
10:28 magnuse cool
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11:24 magnuse g'day druthb
11:24 magnuse @wunder bodo, norway
11:24 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 1.0�C (12:20 PM CET on February 25, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 0.0�C. Windchill: -3.0�C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady).
11:24 magnuse that's more like it...
11:24 druthb hi, magnus!
11:25 druthb @wunder 20852
11:25 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Woodley Gardens, Rockville, Maryland is 6.9�C (6:30 AM EST on February 25, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Windchill: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.48 in 998.2 hPa (Falling). Wind Advisory in effect from 11 am this morning to 2 PM EST this afternoon...
11:27 hdl thd: The z3950 server for solr is now working fine. thanks for your input
11:42 magnuse cool!
12:02 kf hm, are reviews from patrons always moderated?
12:05 magnuse kf: "All comments added by patrons via the OPAC to bibliographic records require moderation by the librarians."[…]-manual/?ch=x5745
12:06 kf oh right... should check the manual :) thx magnus!
12:06 kf hm
12:07 kf where do I moderate them?
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12:07 kf I only see the tool for moderating tags under tools
12:07 magnuse kf: /cgi-bin/koha/reviews/
12:08 kf grr found it
12:08 kf I am really blind today
12:08 kf thx again :) magnuse++
12:08 magnuse hehe
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12:56 JesseM Good morning #Koha
12:57 nengard morning JesseM
12:57 nengard how's your library crash course going?
12:58 JesseM going well. just sooo much info.
12:58 * druthb waves to JesseM.
12:59 nengard the one good thing is that librarians are helpful people :) so you can always ask for help
13:00 JesseM yes and i appreciate that  :)
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13:35 thd hdl: Is the address for SimpleServer using Solr/Lucene the same?
13:35 hdl yes
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13:46 thd hdl: What query can I run to find matches?
13:50 oleonard bywater++ # for fixing the very nasty bug 5805
13:50 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5805 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, ruth, ASSIGNED, Changing Pickup library on already queued holds causes havoc on all holds below it
13:57 druthb :)
14:01 oleonard druthb++ # too
14:01 druthb nengard++
14:01 druthb thanks, owen.  :)
14:12 bg morning
14:14 thd hdl : The connection works from yaz-client but when I try from PHP YAZ I have a connection lost error for flaubert.
14:18 hdl thd: thanks for reporting.
14:18 hdl it is strange.
14:20 hdl I think someone is working on th solr stuff, causing the server to crash.
14:20 hdl I will tell you when it is up again
14:20 thd Well that would explain.
14:24 * slef boogies into #koha
14:24 oleonard Hi slef
14:24 * slef just found
14:25 kf hi slef
14:26 * slef gets a patch backwards. Oops.
14:26 * slef is finally working on koha again
14:26 slef I may even get to unstable this week :)
14:28 thd hdl: cannot obtain a connection to the Lyon 3 test, although, I can connect from home.
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14:36 magnuse working_on_koha++ # ;-)
14:36 oleonard Anyone else having problems with an authority search from I tried a personal name search, found a result, clicked choose and got:
14:36 oleonard Can't call method "field" on an undefined value at /kohaclone/authorities/bli​ line 80.
14:37 slef oleonard: if no-one beats me to it, I'll check as I remember which catalogue we host that uses authorities on them :)  Can you get a backtrace?
14:38 oleonard backtrace?
14:38 druthb @later tell wizzyrea buzz me when you get a chance?
14:38 huginn druthb: The operation succeeded.
14:38 wizzyrea yo
14:38 druthb :D
14:39 wizzyrea :) I just was reading my email :)
14:39 * druthb gives huginn a cookie for good service.
14:39 slef oleonard: SetEnv KOHA_BACKTRACES 1 in the right virtualhost bit of koha-httpd.conf and reload, then cause the error.
14:39 wizzyrea huginn: botsnack cookie
14:39 huginn wizzyrea: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
14:39 wahanui1 i already had it that way, huginn.
14:42 oleonard wizzyrea: Where do you see Bug 5812?
14:42 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5812 minor, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, Tag Cloud - capitalized words come before lower-case words
14:43 wizzyrea in the OPAC
14:43 wizzyrea ummmm let me see if I can get you a screencap
14:43 druthb
14:43 oleonard That one needs more context :)
14:43 wizzyrea ah yes, that
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14:44 wizzyrea
14:44 wizzyrea well bother
14:44 wizzyrea one sec, let me use an arrow
14:45 druthb I see it, though.  All the words starting with caps show up before any word without.
14:45 wizzyrea
14:47 oleonard Thanks wizzyrea, I'm able to duplicate it now
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15:01 oleonard slef: Is setting KOHA_BACKTRACES to 1 supposed to give me different info in the onscreen error or the log?
15:03 slef onscreen
15:11 wizzyrea jcamins: there is a syspref in local use
15:11 wizzyrea WarnOnlyOnMaxFine
15:11 wizzyrea that you may want to look at
15:11 * wizzyrea is finding all sorts of gems in there
15:13 * oleonard thinks wizzyrea made that one up
15:13 wizzyrea I totally didn't
15:14 oleonard Looks like a Harley thing
15:14 oleonard[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3507
15:14 huginn Bug 3507: enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jwagner, NEW, Circ rules enhancements, maximum fine warning
15:18 oleonard slef: Sorry, I didn't think it had worked, but I guess it did. No new information shows
15:18 oleonard Can't call method "field" on an undefined value at /kohaclone/authorities/bli​ line 80.
15:19 oleonard at /kohaclone/authorities/bli​ line 80
15:19 wizzyrea hm
15:19 wizzyrea that's odd bc... well let me double triple check
15:19 * wizzyrea has way too many koha windows open
15:19 wizzyrea I sometimes get confused
15:20 wizzyrea ok yes sorry, that's a harleyism
15:21 wizzyrea oleonard: we fixed our problem with the "return home" prompts -- they work fine as long as you have your sysprefs set up right
15:21 oleonard Oh good.
15:22 * wizzyrea was unaware of the existence of "HomeOrHoldingBranchReturn"
15:22 kf WarnOnlyOnMaxFine???
15:22 wizzyrea sorry sorry, it's a harleyism
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15:22 kf ah
15:23 * kf thougth she was going crazy
15:23 kf has been looking through sys prefs all day
15:23 wizzyrea hopefully soon I"ll be doing less of that
15:23 wizzyrea (referencing harleyisms)
15:34 oleonard I think I've reached the limit of what patch-pushed bugs I can properly test
15:34 * oleonard passes the baton
15:35 slef oleonard: ok, I'll give it a crack. How do you get to that problem?
15:35 slef authority search from addbiblio
15:35 slef any more specifics?
15:37 oleonard In my case I clicked to search for an author (100a) and did a search by Main entry ($a only)
15:37 oleonard Got one result, clicked "choose" for that result
15:37 oleonard a new window popped up with the error message
15:37 slef ok, just tried that, worksforme
15:37 slef 3.2.5
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15:47 wizzyrea atz__: in case you were wondering if having a blog was worthwhile: it totally is, as you have just gotten the kansas contingent of overdrive users all in a tizzy.
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15:48 oleonard It was a good post:[…]this-message.html
15:48 oleonard Although part of me wants to say "What did you expect from OverDrive?"
15:49 wizzyrea I agree with that, but it still sucks, and I feel like people are ignoring it
15:49 wizzyrea "well that's the price of being able to offer digital content"
15:49 wizzyrea uh, no
15:57 gmcharlt though the alternative to OverDrive is libraries organizing themselves to work with the publishers collectively
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15:57 * slef applauds gmcharlt for the various patching work
15:57 rhcl we just bought into Overdrive, and I am personally not at all happy.
15:57 slef gmcharlt: they could form an Online Centre for Library Collective bargaining... oh, wait, ...
15:57 gmcharlt at the moment, I get the impression that the publishers like working with OverDrive because it is a single entity to talk to
15:58 rhcl It is so totally locked up, and doesn't work with Linux at all.
15:58 gmcharlt libraries working individually would be betting *much* worse terms from the ebook publishers, I think
15:58 gmcharlt so I believe that any solution that's better for libraries than OverDrive has to be done collectively
15:58 rhcl I've let it be known that Overdrive as a toll free help number, and that's who they should call when the angry patrons start coming in.
15:58 slef rhcl: we lost the platform-neutrality argument with DVDs sadly :-(
15:58 gmcharlt slef: instant trademark lawsuit! ;)
15:59 slef gmcharlt: bah, trademarks are an anti-competitive monopoly. Someone should accuse OCLC of that sort of thing ;-)
16:00 slef rhcl: is there a polite way to say "we told you so"?
16:00 rhcl Well, with DVDs -- those are going the way of the floppy--everything is a digital file now, either on a thumb drive or a stream from the cloud.
16:00 gmcharlt slef: heh.  there is a rather an irony that SkyRiver, which is a creature of III, that's in fact the one doing that in the US courts
16:00 slef gmcharlt: oh, there's so much irony in that dispute we could mine it and make steel!
16:01 slef (or would that be steely?)
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16:01 gmcharlt slef: the muppets version of "any old iron" just came to mind :)
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16:05 slef hrm, tried to comment on atz__ blog, but I've no idea if it went through or not. Definitely didn't appear on the page.
16:05 slef I was trying to suggest maybe DxD would run a petition like for it.
16:07 atz__ slef: not seeing your comment.  not running moderation on comments either, so idk.
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16:09 slef atz__: another google bug :-(
16:10 slef Google, the OverDrive of the web.
16:11 kf have a nice weekend #koha .)
16:11 kf :)
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16:18 wizzyrea atz__:[…]-giant-step-back/
16:19 wizzyrea way to let the cat out of the bag, that kitty wanted to be free
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16:27 gmcharlt atz__: wizzyrea:[…]-of-america/29897
16:27 wizzyrea ooo thanks
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17:09 nengard what preference makes it so that when you click on a subject heading or author it does an autority search instead of a subject search
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17:31 * wizzyrea pats oleonard
17:31 oleonard :)
17:32 wizzyrea btw, the sound cues are quite ear pleasing
17:32 wizzyrea very melodious
17:32 oleonard The sound cues were not my thing, if that's what you mean
17:32 wizzyrea no
17:33 wizzyrea that's something totally different
17:33 wizzyrea just sayin;
17:33 wizzyrea '
17:33 oleonard I didn't think my staff would like them but they mostly do.
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17:38 * oleonard is thinking about how one might control the volume of the sounds and set it in a cookie
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17:47 oleonard[…]on_ebook.html.csp
17:48 oleonard Not the kind of audio volume control I was thinking of, but funny:
17:48 oleonard
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17:56 tcohen anyone with a few seconds to explain the use of
17:56 tcohen ??
17:56 tcohen (is it safe?)
18:01 tcohen ok, i'll read the code
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18:03 jcamins_away tcohen: I wouldn't.
18:03 jcamins_away (use it)
18:03 * oleonard hates that there are things in Koha that we shouldn't use. We should take them out.
18:04 jcamins_away Or fix them.
18:04 tcohen LinkBibHeadingsToAuthorities doesn't look bad
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18:06 tcohen you mean like removing zebraqueue?
18:06 tcohen :D
18:06 tcohen (zerbaqueue_daemon i mean)
18:07 nengard oleonard did you have an issue after upgrading virtualbox?
18:07 nengard it keeps prompting me to upgrade, but i remember others having issues
18:07 nengard so i've held off
18:07 jcamins_away nengard: my upgrade seemed to work fine.
18:08 nengard good stuff
18:08 jcamins_away But then, my VM is broken half the time anyway, so how would I know?
18:08 nengard hehe
18:08 tcohen nengard: oleonard had to tell virtualbox to forget "saved states" about usb's or something
18:09 tcohen jcamins: is there any reported bug around link_bibs_to... ?
18:10 jcamins_away tcohen: no, because I can't clearly identify any problem with it. It just seems to cause problems.
18:11 jcamins_away Wow.
18:11 jcamins_away It just got *black* out.
18:12 tcohen ok, i'll do some test and report back if I find something
18:12 tcohen have a nice weekend #koha
18:15 fcapo There's bug 5410 :/
18:15 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5410 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, fcapovilla, ASSIGNED, "Right truncation not supported" error when running
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18:19 oleonard nengard: I had to discard my VM's saved state after upgrading
18:20 nengard i'm not sure what that means - but i'll upgrade and you can tell me :) hehe
18:20 oleonard I would shut down your vm all the way first
18:27 nengard oo it's fancy
18:28 nengard okay how do i clear the saved state - cause i got a usb error
18:28 jcamins_away If you don't use USB, couldn't you just disable it?
18:28 jcamins_away (just guessing)
18:29 oleonard right-click on that VM's entry I think
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18:33 nengard jcamins - my mouse is usb
18:34 jcamins_away nengard: VirtualBox cares?
18:34 jcamins_away I have a USB keyboard and mouse, and never noticed it being a problem that I had disabled USB.
18:34 nengard hmmm
18:38 * jcamins_away isn't an expert, though.
18:55 tcohen the usb devices are "passed" directly to the virtual machine to handle them
18:55 tcohen BUT
18:55 tcohen that's not true for input devices
18:56 tcohen as virtualbox does some extra stuff for using them in the host OS
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19:46 wizzyrea rhcl: about?
19:47 wizzyrea generally: with envisionware does anybody know if it pulls the PIN From the opac login?
19:47 wizzyrea or somewhere else
19:48 * jcamins_away does not know.
19:48 wizzyrea I honestly cannot think of another field that it would use
19:48 wizzyrea envisionware = SIP, if that triggers an alert for anybody :P
19:49 * jcamins_away knows that libraries are using it successfully with Koha, though.
19:49 wizzyrea the PIN?
19:49 jcamins_away No, Envisionware.
19:49 wizzyrea we use envisionware and it works passably enough
19:49 jcamins_away Sorry.
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19:49 wizzyrea :) sok
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20:14 rhcl I'm here
20:15 rhcl AFAIK Envisionware sends the login ID and PIN to the ILS server just like most other things.
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20:15 rhcl Was that not the question though?
20:16 wizzyrea yep that was the question
20:16 wizzyrea so it's the opac login?
20:16 wizzyrea for user/pass
20:16 wizzyrea pin
20:16 wizzyrea ty for the info rhcl
20:16 rhcl What's the difference between an OPAC login and the regular Koha library card/PIN?
20:17 rhcl We looked at Envisionware for a while, and actually had a couple of personal demos at trade shows.
20:18 rhcl If you are OK with a closed, proprietary system Envisionware looks like it has more polish and is better put together than most other PAC access systems.
20:18 rhcl But I pretty much prefer Libki these days--I have total control over both the server and the clients.
20:19 rhcl Envisionware is one of those systems where you are totally dependent on them, don't open the box or it'll explode.
20:20 rhcl It's also better accessorized than some others--they have integrated copiers, printers, coffee pots, etc.
20:21 rhcl And if I remember right they also have the automated book return sorter thingers.
20:21 wizzyrea I don't really have a say in what they use
20:21 wizzyrea my libraries are buying envisionware
20:21 * jcamins_away giggles at the idea of a coffee pot controlled by SIP.
20:21 wizzyrea tee hee
20:21 rhcl Expensive, but with the "closed system" caveat Envisionware seems to work well.
20:22 * jcamins_away imagines someone coming into the office and going to get a cup of coffee only to be told "too many fines. Please see circulation desk."
20:23 rhcl You know, that's an idea really. These access systems can accept cash via coin and bill machines, and can maintain a credit balance....
20:24 jcamins_away Or even better "your coffee mug has been recalled. Please return to the circulation desk immediately."
20:24 rhcl so that patrons can print without paying, with the cost deducted from their on-line balance.
20:24 wizzyrea haha
20:24 wizzyrea alright:[…]e-need-your-help/
20:24 * wizzyrea shamelessly self promotes
20:24 jcamins_away rhcl: it makes sense. I'm just enjoying the image of someone being denied a cup of coffee because they don't return their books.
20:24 rhcl Why couldn't you have a pay coffee machine which SIP accesses an ILS database and deducts 95 cents for money?
20:24 * wizzyrea imagines lending coffee
20:25 * wizzyrea wonders what the return chute would look like
20:25 rhcl Or if it was a simple overdue book, maybe the could get black coffee, but not cream and sugar???? Works for me.
20:26 rhcl Heck, I'll bet Overdrive could figure out a way to lend coffee cups and have them auto-disintegrate after 14 days.
20:28 rhcl But they probably wouldn't work with Linux....
20:34 jcamins_away Hey, does anyone know if it's possible to tell Zebra to only find matches for two terms in the *same* field?
20:34 * jcamins_away is thinking about relator terms.
20:35 chris_n wizzyrea:LOL
20:35 wizzyrea :)
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20:48 jcamins_away Good night, #koha.
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20:48 * jcamins_away is really _away, now
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20:50 * oleonard has a holiday calendar widget breakthrough
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20:53 * wizzyrea cheers for oleonard
20:53 * gmcharlt therefore declares today, 25 February, as Calendar Widget Day
20:54 * oleonard just tried to do a Spotlight search on his Win7 machine
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20:56 oleonard Battle of the calendar widgets:
20:59 wizzyrea purty
20:59 wizzyrea I like the top better in most all ways
21:01 bg yup the top is purty
21:02 gmcharlt agreed
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21:03 oleonard That's a fairly plain jQuery UI themed widget, the one I've got in my jQueryUI branch right now (extra large for the holidays page)
21:11 wizzyrea every time rangi writes me a query to look at something, I learn something about mysql.
21:11 wizzyrea I love that.
21:11 wizzyrea thanks rangi :)
21:11 wizzyrea rangi++
21:13 bg @karma rangi
21:13 huginn bg: Karma for "rangi" has been increased 9 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 9.
21:13 bg @karma brendan
21:13 huginn bg: Karma for "brendan" has been increased 24 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 24.
21:13 bg @karma bg
21:13 huginn bg: bg has neutral karma.
21:13 bg :)
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21:46 bg @wunder 93109
21:46 huginn bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 10.6�C (1:51 PM PST on February 25, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1014.8 hPa (Steady).
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21:51 snail morning all
22:15 slef hi snail
22:16 * slef is watching NZvAUS highlights. Don't tell him how it finishes.
22:19 slef well that's over
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22:44 snail slef: NZvAUS in what sport? urban search and rescue?
22:46 snail oh, cricket. yes, well, that was never going to be much of a pairing...
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