IRC log for #koha, 2011-02-22

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00:00 rangi[…]ikes-Christchurch
00:02 rangi[…]ums/mqz-drum.html
00:02 bg damn
00:03 * rangi waits to hear from his relatives
00:03 rangi evacuating the hospital
00:07 rangi[…]uakes/latest.html
00:09 bg geeze
00:09 bg stuff is fast though :)
00:11 rangi that 5km down is the kicker
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00:50 rangi bg: it still up for you?
00:57 bg I'm here
00:58 rangi can you get to ok?
01:06 bg yup fine
01:06 rangi ta
01:06 bg pretty snappy as usual
01:07 bg :)
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01:09 irmaB hello  .. we are just doing some testing ...
01:09 rangi[…]hristchurch-quake
01:09 rangi my head isnt in the game irmaB
01:10 eythian rangi:[…]ews_live_high.asx
01:13 bg how long ago did this hit?
01:14 rangi just over an hour ago
01:14 rangi still getting decent aftershocks
01:21 irmaB Hi Chris ... wow not good news re Christchurch
01:21 irmaB chris when did you come back home/
01:22 ibeardslee not a lot of work getting done in NZ as people are following the news
01:26 rangi irmaB: come back home?
01:31 irmaB sorry I have been quite unwell and not up to date but I thought you were in Canada...
01:31 rangi no, thats october
01:31 irmaB guess you have not gone yet...
01:32 rangi nope :)
01:35 irmaB I am off to the specialist tomorrow morning so should get a treatment plan then.
01:36 irmaB OK.. hope the quake is over and no more damage occurs.
01:36 irmaB Chat soon. Take care.
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02:43 jwagner rangi, just popping in to see if your relatives in Christchurch are OK.  Any news of them?
02:43 rangi yep have heard from them, they are ok
02:43 rangi luckily not in the central city
02:43 jwagner Really good news.  It sounds pretty bad down there.
02:43 rangi yep it is
02:44 rangi[…]hristchurch-quake
02:44 jwagner Yep, been reading that one & CNN.  Sounds like the cathedral is down or mostly down, among other things.
02:44 rangi[…]ke-Running-report
02:46 * jwagner sends positive thoughts in that direction, not being able to do anything else....
02:46 ibeardslee there is a lot of that floating around I think
02:47 jwagner Need to invent a lens to concentrate it.
02:47 jwagner Anyone else at Catalyst or online have family there?
02:47 ibeardslee the Catalyst people in ChCh are all ok
02:48 jwagner Good
02:49 ibeardslee still waiting to hear about one of the people working in the ChCh office from my last job
02:49 ibeardslee she was out for lunch at the time
02:50 jwagner Will keep my fingers crossed.  Talk to you all tomorrow....
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03:07 huginn New commit(s) kohagit32: Updating Version Number to <[…]076a0b9a54e118bea> / Release Notes for <[…]deacce92fe907ac9e>
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03:24 hudsonbot Project Koha_3.2.x build #101: SUCCESS in 29 min: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]b/Koha_3.2.x/101/
03:24 hudsonbot * Marcel de Rooy: Follow up on bug 2742: Correct language names in install
03:24 hudsonbot * Marcel de Rooy: Follow up on 5736: fix authorities record.abs
03:24 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Partial fix for Bug 5745, Overdues with fines report not showing titles
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03:25 hudsonbot * Paul Poulain: Bug 5759 : displaying 2nd email if there is one on print template for borrowers
03:25 hudsonbot * Paul Poulain: Bug 5760 : MT3137 : Adding jquery.tablesorter and jquery.tablesorter.pager support for
03:25 hudsonbot * Magnus Enger: Bug 2742 Followup patch fixing Norwegian bokm?l, adding nynorsk
03:25 hudsonbot * Chris Nighswonger: Updating Version Number to
03:25 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 5140 - In Chrome, drop-down menus disappear after using pop-up calendar
03:25 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 5769 - notice tab disappearing on edit patron
03:25 hudsonbot * Paul Poulain: NormalizeString POD Fixing and variable renaming
03:25 hudsonbot * Fr?d?ric Demians: Bug 5777 Update and install syspref tab titles
03:25 hudsonbot * Reed Wade: Bug 5741 - Extra comma causes JavaScript error in Internet Explorer
03:25 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 5776 - menu on funds wraps when only 1 fund
03:25 hudsonbot * Chris Nighswonger: Revert "Fix for Bug 5769 - notice tab disappearing on edit patron"
03:25 hudsonbot * Chris Nighswonger: Revert "Bug 5759 : displaying 2nd email if there is one on print template for borrowers"
03:25 hudsonbot * Chris Nighswonger: Revert "Partial fix for Bug 5745, Overdues with fines report not showing titles"
03:25 hudsonbot * Fr?d?ric Demians: Translation update for 3.2.4
03:25 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #376: UNSTABLE in 29 min: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]/Koha_Master/376/
03:25 hudsonbot * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 5782: Add warning when ordering a duplicate record from external source
03:25 hudsonbot * 2742: Wrong language name in the preferences
03:25 hudsonbot * Colin Campbell: Bug 3550 : Display changes needed in opac-results-grouped too
03:26 Topic for #koha is now Koha 3.2.4 is now available | Next IRC meeting 2 Mar. 2011 18:00 UTC+0 | | This channel is logged | Pastes at
03:26 hudsonbot Starting build 102 for job Koha_3.2.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
03:31 * chris_n hits the hay
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03:39 kmkale Namaskar #koha
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03:44 druthb kia ora.
03:44 kmkale hey druthb
03:44 druthb hi, kmkale!
03:49 hudsonbot Project Koha_3.2.x build #102: SUCCESS in 23 min: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]b/Koha_3.2.x/102/
03:49 hudsonbot * Chris Nighswonger: Release Notes for
03:49 hudsonbot * Chris Nighswonger: Updating Version Number to
03:50 druthb chris_n++
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04:57 kmkale anyone seen this error? ERROR 1064 (42000) at line 2603: You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'SET TIME_ZONE=@OLD_TIME_ZONE */' at line 8
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05:05 Oak hi druthb
05:05 druthb hi, Oak! :)
05:05 Oak :)
05:05 druthb kmkale:  that's a new one on me
05:05 kmkale me too
05:06 kmkale weird. On second attempt at web installer that error is gone
05:06 * druthb boggles a little.
05:12 kmkale additionally the new site's httpd.conf is overriding that of all other sites.  Guess it not my day today :(
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05:19 kmkale few!! silly mistakes
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06:02 rangi crap, theres not a lot of good news coming out of christchurch
06:02 rangi[…]hristchurch-quake
06:02 druthb hope your kin are well, rangi.
06:03 rangi ive heard from all of mine
06:03 rangi hous\
06:03 rangi my aunt and uncles house is destroyed
06:03 rangi but they are safe
06:04 rangi plenty of families not as lucky :(
06:04 * druthb nods.
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06:09 * druthb is not a prayin' being, having a strong skepticism in the Great Whatever, but you and your countryfolk are in my thoughts and meditations, rangi.
06:13 rangi thank you
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06:29 Elwell flip. Just woken to see christchurch news -- thoughts go out to the kiwis here - hope all are OK
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06:55 cait waking up to the christchuch news :(
06:56 rangi have heard from my family, they are ok, there is one librarian i talk to on twitter i havent heard from yet tho
06:56 cait hope he/she is ok too
06:57 rangi im sure she is
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07:01 magnuse chris_n++
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07:01 Brooke_ kia ora
07:02 * druthb boggles
07:06 magnuse kia ora Brooke and druthb and #koha
07:06 cait morning magnuse
07:06 magnuse awake, at this hour, Brooke & druthb?!?
07:06 magnuse hiya cait
07:06 * cait wondered about htat too
07:06 druthb not for long.  I'm just on my way out.
07:07 magnuse please feel free to stay longer! ;-)
07:07 * magnuse guesses he is in slightly earlier than normal...
07:07 druthb I  need to try to get a little sleep before more training tomorrow.  :)
07:07 * druthb waves
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07:08 magnuse sleep tight!
07:08 * cait is still waking up
07:08 magnuse hehe
07:08 * magnuse wonders what excuse Brooke_ has...
07:08 Brooke_ >.>
07:08 Brooke_ <.<
07:08 Brooke_ uh
07:08 Brooke_ Warcraft made me do it?
07:09 Brooke_ one of my guildies was all like "Hey, earthquake in NZ!"
07:09 Brooke_ and I was like orlly?
07:10 Brooke_ so I had to check on #koha
07:10 magnuse yeah, poor people of Christchurch, again!
07:10 magnuse
07:11 cait :(
07:18 magnuse huh, the "release team" info here isn't entirely up to date, i think...
07:27 cait hm, not sure about that page:
07:29 cait magnuse: looks ok to me - chris_n is release maintainer
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07:32 cait bbl
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07:42 magnuse ah, of course, it's just my head messing with me...
07:47 magnuse "OCLC Systems and Services" has an article on "How to choose a free and open source integrated library system"[…]418&show=abstract - too bad it's not Open Access...
07:50 magnuse ah, of course it's part og the "Open source ILS/OPAC implementations" issue, should have seen that before then
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07:56 francharb hello all
08:04 magnuse bonjour francharb
08:04 francharb hi magnuse
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08:05 magnuse kia ora paul_p
08:08 rangi
08:08 mtj evening all
08:09 rangi
08:09 hdl hi rangi... Sending kind regards to all kiwis.
08:10 magnuse wow, scary pics
08:12 mtj i've been offline most of the afternoon, still catching up on the chch-quake news
08:13 mtj lyttelton must be pretty leveled :/
08:13 rangi its just gonna get worse
08:13 rangi still lots of trapped/missing people
08:13 ibeardslee it's one of those things where you look with mild interest when it happens overseas
08:14 ibeardslee but it changes a great deal when it is so close to home
08:14 mtj im amazed wgtn hasnt had a wack yet
08:15 ibeardslee shhh
08:15 ibeardslee although if you listen to the Waitangi Day prophecy .. June?
08:15 * mtj touches head...
08:16 mtj ah, hadn't heard that one
08:17 ibeardslee[…]on-for-Wellington
08:29 mtj wow, i def. didnt here *that* story
08:30 mtj s/here/hear/
08:30 mtj its a spooky story
08:31 mtj i sense a peter.jackson movie script being inked, as we speak :p
08:33 mtj … with perfect-storm/armageddon effects by weta
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08:34 mtj a parting insult by our prime-minister
08:35 mtj "Prime Minister John Key, who led a prayer earlier, said he would "not be taking too much away from that last [speaker]."
08:38 mtj actually, this whole topic is inappropriate on irc
08:38 mtj i'll shut up now… :/
08:39 mtj sorry about that folks
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08:40 kf hi #koha
08:42 magnuse guten tag kf
08:43 kf god morgen magnus
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12:46 nengard morning all
12:49 magnuse g'day nengard
12:50 kf owen: around?
12:50 kf hm. no.
12:50 kf hi nengard :)
12:51 kf I am trying to change the link to the borrower's account on the check-in page
12:52 kf to go to the pay fines page
12:53 nengard do you need the right link?
12:53 nengard or feedback?
12:53 nengard I think it makes sense
12:53 kf ah sorry, thinking loud
12:53 kf trying to do it with jquery
12:54 kf but I am a bit stuck on how to change only the part of the link, but keep the borrower number
12:54 kf hoped owen would show up
12:54 kf nengard: I added a comment to the old bug - not reporting htat someone has fines during check-in
12:55 nengard why do you need jquery for that?
12:55 nengard isn't it just an html link?
12:55 kf bug 1962
12:55 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1962 enhancement, P3, ---, chris, NEW, Add fine notification during check-in
12:55 nengard cgi-bin/koha/members/
12:55 kf I don't want to edit the template files
12:56 kf thinking about a patch for that too - also not sure all want pay fines as default
12:56 kf at the moment the link goes to the details page
12:56 kf but you can't see the fines there
12:56 kf searching for a quick fix for one of our production systems
12:57 nengard does anyone know who designed the 'bridge' icon set in koha?
12:57 nengard would be nice to get a new computer file icon since right now it's a floppy disk - maybe a thumb drive instead
12:59 kf yep
12:59 kf let me get the link for you
12:59 kf[…]ary/bridge_icons/
13:00 kf it's on the about page too I think
13:01 magnuse kf: yep: "The Bridge Material Type Icon Set is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.5 License by the Bridge Consortium of Carleton College and St. Olaf College."
13:02 kf we have the icons in our horizon webpacs
13:02 kf you can even download photoshop files
13:05 nengard I'm not very creative/artsy so I can't create a new icon in that style - but maybe oleonard can
13:05 nengard :)
13:05 nengard or someone else artsy
13:05 nengard thanks for the link though
13:06 kf I did one for article
13:07 kf it looks like score but whithout the note
13:08 kf
13:09 nengard did you submit it back to the project - and to Koha?
13:09 nengard was just going to do one for Reference
13:09 nengard using the book
13:09 kf uh no, not yet :( was planned but I forgot about it
13:09 nengard hehe
13:09 nengard that's easy peasy! just email it to Matt mryan [at] carleton [dot] edu
13:09 nengard and submit a patch to Koha
13:10 kf ok, will try to do it - will try to find the photoshop file
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13:11 * kf write herself a reminder
13:11 jcamins Good morning, #koha
13:11 kf good morning jared :)
13:11 magnuse hiya jcamins
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13:26 nengard kf i finished my reference icon and emailed it to him
13:26 nengard now to write up a patch for Koha
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13:35 jcamins nengard++ # for using DOIs.
13:35 nengard :) hehe
13:38 kf nengard: in  which format did you send it?
13:39 nengard to matt? I sent psd - in my patch it's a gif though
13:40 nengard I'd like to see a new computer file icon and an icon for an audiobook - those two I can't figure out how to do with my poor art skills
13:42 kf would the note on a book work?
13:42 kf the red round note icon on the book icon?
13:43 nengard kf I was thinking of changing the CD icon
13:43 nengard and putting a book in the red circle
13:44 nengard but I don't know if I can do it
13:45 kf hm, yes, more complicated
13:46 nengard hehe
13:47 nengard i guess the book with the sound circle would work too
13:52 kf hm, and the description?
13:52 kf Audiobook?
13:52 kf hope it's not too long
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13:59 nengard kf, yes audiobook
13:59 nengard and reference was too long so i had to shrink the font
13:59 JesseM good morning #Koha
14:00 kf hi JesseM
14:00 JesseM Hello kf
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14:01 marck good morning all!
14:04 kf hi marck
14:04 marck hi kf
14:05 kmkale can someone tell me what "Holds to pull" is for?
14:05 marck i'm preparing for a little presentation about koha
14:05 nengard kmkale it's supposed to show you what holds are waiting for you to pull them off the shelf
14:05 marck and i got a problem
14:05 nengard if you don't allow on shelf holds then you should have an empty report
14:05 nengard marck what prob?
14:05 kmkale aahh!! thanks nengard
14:06 marck i cant place a hold on an item
14:06 marck it gives me No copies are available to be placed on hold
14:06 nengard do you have a circ rule for all libraries, all items types and all patron categories?
14:06 nengard you always need one rule for 'all'
14:06 marck yep i've set the Default rule
14:06 nengard and do you allow on shelf holds
14:06 nengard ?
14:07 marck where do i set it?
14:07 marck sys prefs ?
14:07 nengard yes
14:08 marck got it :D
14:08 marck 10x :D
14:09 marck is there any already made presentation to follow?
14:10 nengard I have a bunch of tutorial videos here:
14:10 nengard and there is a koha group on slideshare
14:10 nengard[…]ha-ils/slideshows
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14:11 marck 10x! i'll check them out now
14:12 marck blip gave me Notice
14:12 marck I couldn't find that user
14:12 jcamins marck: typo.
14:13 jcamins Great, the exterminator says that the only roaches he can find are dead.
14:13 oleonard Like the ending of a roach version of Reservoir Dogs...
14:15 nengard jcamins well that sounds promising
14:15 nengard and thanks for fixing my typo
14:16 jcamins nengard: but he only just arrived, and hasn't done anything yet.
14:17 nengard if they're all dead what does he have to do?
14:17 jcamins nengard: something that will make them not come back.
14:20 nengard ah
14:20 nengard got it
14:23 wizzyrea jcamins: thanks for the report :)
14:23 jcamins wizzyrea: my pleasure.
14:23 jcamins That one was fun.
14:23 wizzyrea I'm going to add that report to the bug for the "check for holds before deleting things" bug
14:24 jcamins Good idea.
14:24 jcamins I guess it should also go on the wiki.
14:24 wizzyrea well it's kind of only applicable because of the bug, imo
14:24 jcamins That's true.
14:24 wizzyrea if we were properly checking for holds before we deleted things we wouldn't need it
14:24 jcamins Right.
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15:02 kmkale If a patron updates his details in OPAC a message "Your corrections have been submitted to the library, and a staff member will update your record as soon as possible." is displayed. In staff client where exactly is the staff to check and update? and how is s/he supposed to know that some patron has updated his/her details?
15:04 nengard it's sent via email to the staff
15:04 nengard then they copy paste the changes into Koha
15:05 kmkale oh. Thanks again nengard
15:06 nengard btw - all of this is in the manual (which is why I keep answering)
15:07 kmkale sorry nengard i should have checked the manual 1st before asking
15:07 nengard :)
15:07 nengard no problem! just reminding everyone
15:11 jwagner Speaking of patron details, was the patch on Bug 3596 ever pushed to head?  If I'm reading it right, one of the problems is that changes to the street address weren't coming through?
15:11 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3596 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, RESOLVED FIXED, OPAC Patron Details Form Missing fields
15:14 wizzyrea bug 3536
15:14 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3536 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, RESOLVED FIXED, Checked In item requiring transfer does not consistently trigger transfer prompt
15:14 wizzyrea I'm still seeing the bad behavior, contrary to what owen says :/
15:15 oleonard really wizzyrea? We just got our upgrade this weekend and I've been seeing the correct behavior all morning
15:15 * oleonard is now on 3.2.x after putting it off forever
15:15 wizzyrea well I just checked it in magnus's demo, and it only says "not checked out"
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15:15 wizzyrea same in both of our test servers
15:15 wizzyrea so either we're missing a preference or...
15:16 wizzyrea what version specifically are you using?
15:16 wizzyrea (i'm looking at master)
15:16 wizzyrea on 3.3
15:17 wizzyrea in our case: automaticItemReturn is "do"
15:20 wizzyrea anybody have a 3.2.x test server?
15:20 wizzyrea that I could poke at?
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15:37 oleonard paul_p++ # for bug-wrangling
16:07 paul_p oleonard, the task is more than huge ! I just took care of those coming from BibLibre. Will take care of some others i think, but not all. There are 120 bugs "patch pushed" atm...
16:09 oleonard Indeed. And I've found some new bugs just by going through that list and re-testing some things. It is definitely worthwhile!
16:22 kf we need to do it more regularly, but it's hard
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16:28 mib_rk6g6v Hi Koha
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16:34 kf hi atz
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16:37 mib_rk6g6v How is New Z?
16:38 paul_p mib_rk6g6v, north island is OK afaik (that's where most of community-involved-kohaers are)
16:39 paul_p mib_rk6g6v, seen a tweet from jransom saying his family was OK. No other news
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16:40 mib_rk6g6v Thanks
16:40 wizzyrea yea, rangi's fam is ok, they lost their house though (I think)
16:40 wizzyrea (extended family)
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16:41 wizzyrea (not his family)
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17:28 jcamins Where do Koha's warnings go?
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17:32 jwagner jcamins, to one of the error logs?
17:33 jcamins jwagner: yeah, that was my guess, too.
17:33 jwagner intranet or opac, depending on where it originated
17:34 jcamins Intranet, but I'm not seeing anything.
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17:34 jcamins Oh, found it.
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17:36 cait hi #koha
17:39 bencahill so, I'm guessing a p4 1.6ghz is too slow to run even the lightest koha install?
17:40 jcamins bencahill: I think you could do it.
17:40 jcamins It won't be zippy, but I think it can be done.
17:40 wizzyrea it can be done
17:40 bencahill jcamins: well, I did it, but it's so slow :(
17:40 jcamins Ah. Yeah.
17:40 wizzyrea really memory is what you have to have plenty of
17:40 bencahill about 5 seconds for any pageload in the backend, or more
17:40 bencahill wizzyrea: not running out of memory...
17:41 bencahill wizzyrea: it's using 100% cpu during a pageload, not really any disk...
17:42 jcamins I'm running into a really weird error. For some reason, Koha is treating "select_city" like a field in the borrowers table during patron add.
17:43 bencahill wizzyrea: does koha not normally use much cpu?
17:43 wizzyrea I haven't experienced that thing (and I run 2 koha's on "substandard" hardware)
17:44 bencahill wizzyrea: odd...if it matters, I'm running arch...would the xml parser affect that?
17:44 bencahill (that=cpu usage)
17:44 wizzyrea no clue really, I only use debian and/or ubuntu
17:45 jcamins bencahill: which XML parser are you using?
17:45 * bencahill checks
17:45 jcamins And, yes, that makes a huge difference.
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17:49 jcamins bencahill: cool, you have answered the question "would performance improve."
17:49 bencahill ah, that ^^ is the output of misc/, but I don't know how to change it :-/
17:49 jcamins Definitely not.
17:49 jcamins See INSTALL.debian.
17:49 jcamins It'll be the same for Arch.
17:49 jcamins Well, similar.
17:49 jcamins Just use locate.
17:50 jcamins (to find whatever file it is you're supposed to edit)
17:50 bencahill jcamins: what do you mean by "Definitely not."
17:50 bencahill ?
17:50 jcamins It definitely doesn't improve performance. ;)
17:51 bencahill what doesn't? :-/
17:51 * bencahill is confused, as usual :P
17:51 wizzyrea I think he means that having the wrong parser will impede performance
17:51 jcamins Using an XML parser other than the one you're supposed to does not improve performance.
17:52 bencahill jcamins: oh, gotcha :)
17:54 rangi if someone wants to answer hansbkk saying he can do what he wants by uploading a new record and using the merge biblio tool to merge tht with the existing one, that lets you combine choosing the fields you want
17:54 rangi i would be very grateful
17:55 bencahill jcamins: I suppose I don't need to restart anything after changing the .ini?
17:55 jcamins bencahill: I don't think so.
17:55 jcamins Maybe Apache?
17:55 bencahill jcamins: can't hurt...
17:56 bencahill seems slightly faster, perhaps 4 seconds instead of 5 seconds...
17:57 bencahill wizzyrea: what do you classify as "substandard"?
17:58 wizzyrea rangi: sent (so nobody else duplicates effort)
17:58 wizzyrea probably similar specs to what you're using
17:58 bencahill wizzyrea: and it's (they're) not slow like mine?
17:58 nengard has anyone tried the batch edit of items with a amperstand in an authorized value - i have someone reporting that they are only seeing the first time change - i'm wondering if the & is doing it
17:59 wizzyrea I don't get complaints about them being slow like yours, no
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17:59 bencahill wizzyrea: interesting...I could increase the ram, but it's only using 191MB (right now) out of ~640MB
17:59 bencahill and the system is running nothing else...
17:59 wizzyrea that is probably the only difference
18:00 wizzyrea mine have at least a gig each
18:00 wizzyrea how many items in your collection? how many patrons?
18:00 cait bencahill: i have koha on 2 laptops, never got near the 5 seconds
18:00 bencahill wizzyrea: uh, 0, and 3 :P
18:00 Oak heard about the earth quake and loss of lives...
18:00 wizzyrea earthquake--
18:00 Oak ya
18:00 Oak that
18:01 bencahill cait: it's why I'm confused, doesn't seem like it should be this slow
18:01 bencahill wizzyrea: (almost) fresh install
18:02 wizzyrea are you using the sample categories and stuff? do you perhaps not have everything configured?
18:02 wizzyrea what operation is taking 5 seconds?
18:02 wizzyrea what are you trying to do?
18:02 bencahill wizzyrea: a few of the sample stuff, not all
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18:02 bencahill wizzyrea: going from home (after login) to circulation (on the backend)
18:03 bencahill or any other pageload, for that matter...
18:04 jcamins bencahill: how does Apache work generally?
18:04 bencahill jcamins: well, I'm not using anything else on it, as this computer was just to serve koha
18:05 jcamins bencahill: hm.
18:05 jcamins Stick something like Wordpress on to see if Apache's the problem?
18:06 bencahill jcamins: I don't know how this relates to apache, but during a pageload, top shows the related .pl (e.g. taking 100% cpu for ~3.5 seconds, and then mysqld also taking ~50% for 1.5 seconds, and then the browser receives a response, and renders the page...
18:06 jcamins Wow. git log --pretty=oneline --graph --all is very daunting.
18:06 jcamins bencahill: not Apache then.
18:07 bencahill jcamins: right, what I thought :)
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18:43 rangi Very sombre bus ride this morning
18:43 jwagner rangi, how do things look?  I've seen the latest news reports on the casualties. Not good.
18:43 rangi Pretty horrible
18:44 rangi The good news is they rescued 11 over night
18:44 * jwagner sends sympathy and positive thoughts.
18:44 jwagner That is good news.  I assume NZ has similar Urban Search and Rescue specialty teams as U.S.?
18:45 jwagner We have one based near here, and we're always hearing about them deploying to places like Haiti earthquake
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18:46 rangi[…]quake-latest-info
18:46 rangi Yep they are all there
18:47 rangi Plus the army and all the police fire etc we can spare
18:47 rangi The aussies have just arrived
18:47 rangi And there are offers from japan and us
18:47 rangi I'm not sure if the govt accepted them
18:48 jwagner Looking at the news reports brought back some horrible images from 9/11  -- I hope this one has a better outcome as far as survivors
18:49 rangi Well in total numbers I'm sure we will
18:49 rangi Per capita its already worse
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18:56 tcohen hi #koha
18:56 tcohen what do you think of this message:
18:56 tcohen "The biblio you requested does not exist."
18:56 tcohen is to be displayed if trying to open an invalid biblionumber in catalogue/
18:57 cait hm perhaps an explanation, something about the index?
18:57 rangi If you include the biblio number
18:57 tcohen rangi: good one
18:57 rangi And ask them to cut and paste the message to give to whoever looks after the server
18:57 oleonard Did that used to give you a 404 error?
18:58 rangi Sometimes
18:58 rangi Sometimes it exploded
18:58 tcohen on master, it gives an internal server error
18:59 rangi 404 on opac
19:00 tcohen yes, i'm talking about intranet
19:00 tcohen sprry for not explaining before
19:03 rangi Ok my stop bbl
19:06 tcohen oleonard: is it preferable a 404 error?
19:06 tcohen to a warning message box?
19:07 cait I think a moe specific message with an explanation is preferrable
19:07 oleonard tcohen: See Bug 2318 for a discussion of that
19:07 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2318 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Attempting to view details of a biblio that does not exists results in a 404 error
19:07 cait so people know that it's not a bug
19:07 oleonard I think a message is preferable to a 404 error
19:08 tcohen Uh, i didn't find that bug when filled 5791
19:08 tcohen mm, lets see: bug 5791
19:08 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5791 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Robust handling of deleted biblios/authorities
19:09 oleonard tcohen: Since the 404 error doesn't seem to be working anymore I'm not sure your bug is incorrect
19:09 oleonard (unless we just don't know what conditions trigger the 404)
19:10 tcohen right now we don't have 404 error in master (for non-existent biblionumber)
19:11 tcohen I first found this behavior on authorities, thou
19:13 tcohen and i'm not sure bug 2318 is clear on what needs to be done, i mean: what's the conclusion?
19:13 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2318 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Attempting to view details of a biblio that does not exists results in a 404 error
19:14 oleonard There is no conclusion. The RM of 3.0 postponed the discussion ;)
19:14 oleonard It is probably worth raising the issue on the mailing list
19:15 tcohen ok, so the bug does not persist in master as we don't have 404 messages
19:15 tcohen that would make my bug valid :-P
19:15 oleonard That was my point as well tcohen
19:17 tcohen oleonard: i've sent an email on this
19:17 tcohen i think i have to go for a beer so this feeling that I wasted my time today goes away :-D
19:18 oleonard tcohen: Why do you think you wasted your time?
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19:18 tcohen because i've been coding to send the patch the last 40 minutes
19:19 tcohen and didn't take time to ask if 404 error was preferable
19:19 tcohen I see it coming!
19:21 cait I still think an error message is preferable
19:22 * oleonard too
19:22 tcohen the 404 doesn't trigger because the 'unless (defined($record)) {' is missplaced
19:25 rangi errror message is better for staff side
19:25 rangi 404 is better for opac
19:27 wizzyrea what's the package name for makemaker? or is it a cpan module
19:27 * wizzyrea has seen this before, cannot for the life of me remember how I fixed it.
19:27 wizzyrea but I do remember having to install makemaker.
19:38 gmcharlt wizzyrea: ExtUtils::MakeMaker is the CPAN package
19:38 wizzyrea ah thank you
19:38 wizzyrea I will correct myself
19:39 gmcharlt though it would be odd to find a Perl installation that lacked it
19:39 wizzyrea I think that I had it happen once, and it might have been ubuntu 10.10 (but it's really fuzzy)
19:40 wizzyrea it's been awhile since it happened (more than a few weeks, less than 6 months)
19:42 wizzyrea his description didn't seem like MM was missing, just that he was having permisison troubles
19:42 wizzyrea but I thought I'd include it just in case
19:45 tcohen bye #koha, have a nice evening
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19:54 jcamins Does anyone know how to see exactly what the last-executed query was using DBI?
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19:59 jcamins $sth->Statement ?
20:01 jcamins No, that doesn't work.
20:02 jcamins Oh, $sth->{Statement} ?
20:03 jcamins Yeah, that worked.
20:08 rangi[…]church-eyewitness
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20:11 yhager Hi, I don't have 'fast cataloging' - how can I enable that option? I'm on 3.2.2. Do I just run manually marc21_fastadd_framework.sql ?
20:11 slef rangi: did Welli wobble much?
20:11 slef yhager: I think that would work.
20:11 slef hi all :)
20:12 yhager ok, I'll try
20:12 rangi yhager: its a permissions thing also, you have to set that permission for the users you want to be abel to see it
20:12 rangi slef: physically no, i didnt feel it, internet sure wobbled
20:12 yhager it worked, thx.
20:13 cait looking at the patch for bug 1962
20:13 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1962 enhancement, P3, ---, chris, NEW, Add fine notification during check-in
20:13 slef rangi: it's easy to forget that the distances which look like small islands there are actually pretty large compared to what I'm used to.
20:13 cait I reimplemented the patch, because the format looked strange and there was no author line - and it works
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20:14 rangi cait: cool
20:15 cait but: I am not sure how to send it in - because the author is someone else
20:15 yhager Got a question about authority file. We are importing most of our records using Z39, but some need to be added manually. So what happens if an author has 2 books, one comes from z39, and the other local?
20:15 cait and not sure about the message
20:15 cait Note: Patron has fines in the amount of 5.00         For payment, visit the fines page.
20:15 yhager will it have two "authority records" then? How will the system know to associate the two books with the same author?
20:16 rangi cait: just note that in the commit and the copyright
20:17 cait there is only a mail address on the bug
20:17 rangi thats good enough, just use that
20:17 cait ok
20:17 cait thx rangi
20:17 rangi Original patch submitted by blah blah
20:18 rangi reformatted to apply cleanly
20:18 cait thx a lot
20:18 rangi np
20:18 rangi happy to feel useful today
20:18 cait it was on the evening news here too :(
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20:20 slef yhager: I'm not sure, sorry.
20:20 yhager Maybe my question is unclear, sorry about that. Is there a way to have the authors of books we imported through z39 appear in the local authority file, for entering books that we cannot find through Z39?
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20:21 slef yhager: I suspect that's the BiblioAddsAuthorities sledgehammer :-/
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20:22 yhager slef: I am guessing that would apply to new records, what about ones that were already imported?
20:22 yhager Or do I just want to avoid it?
20:22 slef yhager: I don't remember and don't have time to check, sorry :-(
20:23 cait yhager: I would think it should check for authors with the same heading - but never used those features
20:23 cait yhager: I think you will need to do some testing
20:23 yhager hmm.. I am just looking for the right(tm) solution for combining Z39 with adding marc records manually
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20:33 yhager Is there a way to define "roles", set permissions per role, and assign users to roles, instead of managing permissions per individual patrons?
20:34 oleonard Unfortunately no
20:35 yhager ok, I guess I'll write some sql's then..
20:35 yhager thx all! :)
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20:38 slef 1. we should have a way to set permissions per role or group; 2. there must be a perl module for it by now
20:39 rangi send a patch slef
20:39 oleonard It should be "trivial" as programmers like to say :)
20:42 jcamins slef's_new_role_based_permissions++
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20:43 slef bah, I've other patches to send first... just handwaving
20:44 slef I don't understand why is dying with "(20014)Internal error: Error reading request entity data". I think I'm going to leave this for another day.
20:44 slef Time for dinner, tv (including cricket) and sleep.
20:47 druthb cricket++
20:47 space_librarian hooray for cricket!
20:48 jcamins crickets++ # I hear they eat other bugs
20:48 cait lol
20:49 cait poor jcamins
20:49 bencahill hmm, trying to use NYTProf on koha, I did "perl -d:NYTProf /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-b​in/circ/", and got "Can't locate C4/ in @INC (@INC contains...", could this be why koha is slow?
20:49 jcamins Actually, the exterminator today was very thorough. I am cautiously optimistic.
20:50 jcamins bencahill: sounds like you don't have PERL5LIB set correctly.
20:50 bencahill jcamins: ah, d'oh
20:50 jcamins While you're at it, check KOHA_CONF. ;)
20:51 bencahill jcamins: right, I set 'em :)
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20:52 bencahill I'm hoping this uncovers something :)
20:52 wizzyrea does anybody know how you get your zebra version from the command line? I'm having a moment.
20:53 mtj bencahill:  your slowness problem becomes more difficult to troubleshoot, because you are running other stuff on your koha server
20:53 mtj like a desktop, with a browser, and stuff...
20:53 bencahill mtj: what do you mean? just running apache,mysql,perl
20:53 bencahill mtj: nope, cli with nothing else
20:53 bencahill mtj: kohainstall != ircclient :)
20:53 rangi wizzyrea: zebraidx -V
20:54 wizzyrea rangi, ty
20:55 mtj bencahill: ah, sorry, i may have confused you with someone else on the koha-list
20:55 bencahill mtj: yup, never been on the list, just here :)
20:56 mtj someone attached a screenshot of top, with 8-ish chrome processes running, on their koha box
20:57 bencahill o_o, 51951.35sline � block � subC4/
20:57 bencahill mtj: lol, chrome ain't good when you need ram :D
20:58 mtj yeah, thats what i was thinking too
20:58 jcamins bencahill: 1.35 seconds in C4/Languages?
20:58 mtj oh, and prolly wanna close your itunes too, etc
20:59 jcamins Chrome's better than FF when you need RAM.
20:59 bencahill jcamins: nah, but another discussion for another day :)
20:59 bencahill see this:
20:59 pastebot0 "bencahill" at pasted "slow times" (68 lines) at
20:59 mtj bencahill: the language thing was a known perf. issue, so might be something there.....
20:59 bencahill ^^ man, that thing is fast :)
20:59 bencahill mtj: hmm...
21:02 bencahill rangi: above ^^ is the output from nytprof, do you mind looking at it?
21:02 rangi kinda busy today bencahill
21:02 rangi[…]quake-latest-info
21:02 bencahill rangi: okay, np
21:02 bencahill rangi: right, sorry :)
21:03 * wizzyrea notes that rangi is in NZ and has other things on his mind
21:03 rangi i used to work on the team that does that site, helping out today
21:05 bencahill mtj: 211139ms1.38sC4::Languages::getAllLanguages
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21:10 mtj bencahill: interesting.....
21:11 mtj my koha-head doesn't thrash on, like yours does
21:11 mtj
21:11 bencahill mtj: what does that do, provide multiple language support?
21:12 bencahill mtj: is 242ms on mine...
21:12 mtj you need to remove/delete all you language dirs, and retest...
21:12 mtj or something
21:12 bencahill where are the language dirs?
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21:15 mtj under the tmpl dirs
21:15 mtj just leave the 'en' dir
21:16 mtj fyi: you should only have the 'en' dir, on a vanilla install
21:16 mtj ah, you have a 'standard' install, not a 'dev' install
21:16 bencahill where are the tmpl dirs? :blush:
21:17 wizzyrea kohadir/koha-tmpl
21:17 mtj standard may include all lang dirs, pre built
21:17 bencahill mtj: I used the aur (arch) package...
21:17 bencahill wizzyrea: thanks
21:17 mtj pass, i only run dev installs
21:17 wizzyrea bencahill: what version are you trying to run?
21:17 bencahill mtj: what is a dev install?
21:17 bencahill wizzyrea: of koha? 3.2.2
21:18 wizzyrea k just making sure
21:18 mtj bencahill: an install step up like this...
21:19 mtj[…]Control_Using_Git
21:19 bencahill wizzyrea: I feel so dumb, the koha dir is /usr/share/koha, right? it has bin,doc,intranet,lib,man,misc, I missing something?
21:19 mtj it puts the directories in different places, etc
21:20 mtj bencahill:  i think you should do a dev install, and compare speeds ;)
21:20 rangi dont do that
21:21 rangi bencahill: look in /usr/share/koha/opac/htdocs/
21:21 rangi and intranet/htdocs
21:21 bencahill rangi: ah, k
21:21 rangi in the opac one will be opac-tmpl
21:21 bencahill mtj: just en
21:21 bencahill rangi: right, and then prog/
21:21 rangi yep, and just en for both?
21:21 rangi ok
21:22 bencahill rangi: yes, in addition to img,pdf,sound (for both)
21:22 rangi do you have memcached running?
21:22 rangi you could try that, install memcached
21:22 bencahill no...
21:23 bencahill or at least I don't think so
21:23 rangi k, if you install that and add these two lines to you koha-conf.xml
21:23 rangi <memcached_servers>127.0.0.​1:11211</memcached_servers>          <memcached_namespace>KOHA</memcached_namespace>
21:23 mtj ah, as always, rangi has a better suggestion
21:23 rangi (down the bottom of the file before the </config>
21:23 rangi )
21:24 bencahill ah, k, those two are empty right now
21:24 mtj cheers chris
21:24 rangi then
21:24 bencahill rangi: one sec...
21:24 rangi memoize_memcached('getFrameworkLanguages' , memcached => $memcached, expire_time => 600);
21:24 rangi will kick in
21:24 bencahill where that ^^?
21:24 bencahill rangi: oh, nvm :)
21:24 rangi you may need to install
21:24 rangi Memoize::Memcached
21:24 rangi which is a perl module
21:24 rangi so you should be able to cpan it on
21:25 bencahill already installed...
21:25 rangi cool
21:25 rangi just memcached itself and change the config
21:25 rangi and then it should be caching it, and hopefully that will speed it up
21:25 bencahill do I need to run anything or just change the config
21:26 rangi you need to check memcached is running
21:26 rangi then change the config and you are done
21:26 bencahill ah, I just started it :)
21:26 bencahill ok, trying...
21:26 rangi try profiling it a couple of times
21:26 rangi first should be slow, second should be faster
21:29 jwagner I don't think anyone answered my question from this morning -- was Bug 3596 ever pushed into head?
21:29 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3596 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, RESOLVED FIXED, OPAC Patron Details Form Missing fields
21:29 * bencahill waits for nytprofhtml
21:29 rangi if which head?
21:30 cait there is a message from gmcharlt on the patch
21:30 cait so I think it was pushed
21:30 rangi its in master
21:30 jwagner That's what I wanted to check, thanks.
21:30 gmcharlt yep
21:31 rangi[…]&st=commit&s=3596
21:31 mtj rangi: thanks again for the language/memcached reminder
21:31 rangi np
21:31 cait rangi: sure? it seems this is a patch from nicole for a different bug
21:32 rangi Bugs: 1172 3579 3596 fixes to patron detail in opac
21:32 cait ah
21:32 cait I there are 2 patches for that bug in master
21:33 cait was looking at the one where only one file was changed
21:33 cait sorry
21:33 bencahill rangi: wow, completely nixed the (down to 13.4ms), so now pageloads are down to ~3.5 rather than ~4.8 seconds
21:34 rangi whats the big hit now?
21:42 pastebot0 "bencahill" at pasted "big hits" (5 lines) at
21:43 bencahill rangi: ^^ those are the ones still 100ms and greater
21:43 bencahill (sorry for being slow)
21:43 rangi yeah, not really anything we can do about those
21:43 rangi all outside of koha
21:43 rangi only thing you can try
21:43 rangi is switch the session
21:43 rangi (in system preferences)
21:44 bencahill the session?
21:44 rangi from using mysql to using /tmp
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21:44 rangi just search for session in systempreferences
21:44 rangi hi pauln
21:44 bencahill rangi: oh, inside koha...
21:44 rangi yeah in the admin section
21:45 mtj ah, Date/Manip/ is still up there too
21:45 bencahill rangi: nothing to be hurt by trying it?
21:45 rangi nope, can always switch it back
21:45 pauln hi rangi
21:46 mtj heya pauln
21:47 rangi
21:47 rangi if you want to help out mtj
21:49 mtj interesting, thanx chris
21:49 rangi
21:50 rangi thats down on level 3, reading sms's and updating
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21:51 bencahill rangi: session didn't make much/any difference, but thanks for the memcached, big difference there :)
21:52 bencahill rangi: hopefully we'll acquire a faster computer than this p4 1.6 at some point :)
21:52 rangi that would certainly help :)
21:53 wizzyrea hee, "modern computer" doesn't mean "p4" to me, anymore
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21:58 cait hi sekjal
21:58 sekjal hi, cait!
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22:07 bencahill wizzyrea: I have no definition for "modern computer", I'd rather consider usage scenarios. :)
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22:11 cait rangi: still around?
22:11 rangi sorta
22:11 cait I am looking at your patch for 5780
22:11 cait bug 5780
22:11 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5780 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, NEW, RIS format export not exporting URI field
22:12 cait I see that only the first url is exported, a second url is not
22:12 rangi right
22:12 cait is this enough for fails qa?
22:12 rangi yep
22:12 cait hope I didn't miss something
22:12 rangi nope it does only do one
22:15 cait time to go to bed
22:16 cait hope to wake up to better news tomorrow
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23:31 huginn bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 15.5�C (3:36 PM PST on February 22, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1015.8 hPa (Steady).
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