IRC log for #koha, 2011-01-27

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01:02 Brooke kia ora
01:02 chris hiya Brooke
01:02 Brooke :)
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01:41 * Brooke waves to druth
01:42 * druthb waves back at Brooke.  :)
01:49 * Brooke is coming dangerously close to messin' with Tejas.
01:49 druthb :P  mess with 'em.
02:20 * Brooke ponders the meaning of life in the monastic resonation of #koha.
02:22 * ibeardsle was about to look up our local council library for either the Monty Python movie or HHGTTG .. but remembered 'we' use a non-koha system
02:23 Brooke are you not automated at all?
02:23 druthb Pie Iesu domine,
02:23 * druthb whacks herself in the forehead.
02:23 ibeardsle there would be no "monastic resonation of #koha" with a system that wasn't koha
02:23 druthb dona eis requiem
02:23 * druthb whacks herself in the head again, and shambles back to her corner.
02:23 Brooke yeah but I wouldn't have to ponder the meaning of life
02:24 Brooke cause someone would say summat :P
02:30 chris god damned wiki spammers
02:31 Brooke get im!
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03:16 wasabi more w0w gold, or ugg boots?
03:16 chris stock crap
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03:29 kmkale good morning all
03:32 chris hi kmkale
03:32 kmkale hi chris
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03:40 Amit heya all
03:40 chris hi amit
03:40 Amit heya chris
03:40 Amit chris: R u coming to india for worldcup
03:41 chris nope
03:50 kmkale hi Amit
03:50 Amit heya kmkale
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05:20 ronald hi koha, can anyone point me to why i tried the links from my catalogue search and got this "Can't call method "field" on an undefined value at /home/koha/kohaclone/C4/ line 1219"?
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06:27 ebegin I was asked a question today for which I don't know the answer... (believe it or not ;) )
06:28 ebegin Can a user search Koha in a form : Title starting with __________
06:30 kmkale In Staff client search if I search a Author's name with Author as phrase I get results but If I search it with Personal Name I dont get any results. What is wrong?
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08:25 paul_p good morning #koha !
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09:01 slef @later tell Brooke Not sure which one you mean, but OK.
09:01 munin slef: The operation succeeded.
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09:20 cirbirian hello everyone
09:20 cirbirian greetings from spain
09:21 cirbirian I´m newbie with Koha and I´ve a doubt about cataloguing using Z39.50
09:21 cirbirian I try to catalogue this book: "General Theory of Lie Groupoids and Lie Algebroids"
09:22 cirbirian y pick on z39.50 Search
09:22 cirbirian write the Title, choose LOC Z39.50
09:23 cirbirian and when I import the book, there is not title
09:23 cirbirian there is not author
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09:23 cirbirian also there is not date
09:24 cirbirian why?
09:24 cirbirian the author appears in field 100.a (General Proceesing Data)
09:25 cirbirian can you helpme
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09:33 kf good morning #koha
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09:48 slef cirbirian: are you a unimarc library?
09:48 slef @marc 100 a
09:48 munin slef: Personal name A surname and/or forename; letters, initials, abbreviations, phrases, or numbers used in place of a name; or a family name.
09:49 slef you see, that's 100$a in MARC21 and LOC uses MARC21.  If you use unimarc, LOC is not sending useful data.
09:50 slef cirbirian: greetings by the way. One of my colleagues is in Spain, but not here now.
09:50 wasabi lol, ah yeah… welcome to your daily marc-wtf  :)
09:50 wasabi heya cirbirian
09:51 wasabi go spain!! :)
09:51 wasabi go xercode!!!
09:52 slef wasabi--
09:53 wasabi oops, sorry - i thought cirbirian was from spain
09:54 wasabi oh, he is :-P
09:54 slef cirbirian is, but the co-op serves spain too... and I'm trying to help... but if cirbirian is a xercode customer, why ask here?
09:55 slef Koha vendors do not carve up the world along national borders
09:55 wasabi lol, i didnt say he was....
09:55 cirbirian hello again
09:55 cirbirian yes
09:55 cirbirian i´m from spain
09:55 cirbirian in almeria
09:55 cirbirian now it´s rainning a lot!
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09:56 slef @wunder almeria, Spain
09:56 munin slef: The current temperature in Almeria, Spain is 10.0�C (10:30 AM CET on January 27, 2011). Conditions: Drizzle. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Pressure: 29.50 in 999 hPa (Steady).
09:56 wasabi im just a xercode fan, coz they donated to kohacon2010…. thats all.. :)
09:56 cirbirian friends, I´ve to go now
09:56 cirbirian but in 30-45 mins I´ll back again
09:56 wasabi i really appreciated their guesture
09:56 wasabi cool, cya cirbirian
09:56 slef wasabi: we offered. Not taken up in the end.
09:57 cirbirian see you later
09:57 wasabi ahh, click
09:58 slef but hey, we're bidding for kohacon11, although I think Nepal may win
09:59 wasabi hey… its still fine for a guy to come to #koha, as ask a Q tho...
10:00 wasabi … regardless of who she/he works for/with
10:00 wasabi wasabi++
10:00 munin wasabi: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma.
10:01 slef yeah, but it makes me wonder if their vendor is not supporting their clients
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10:02 wasabi perhaps he's just a proactive problem solver, like the rest of us :)
10:02 wasabi hey… thats why im'  'always-on' on #koha too ;)
10:03 wasabi well, and the weather updates too! , lol
10:03 kf wasabi++
10:03 kf slef: I support uk - although it might be a little egoistic
10:04 wasabi all good.. nepal sounds *very* exciting too!!
10:04 * wasabi wonders what the vege-type food is like in nepal…
10:04 wasabi ive no idea...
10:05 slef wasabi: oh yeah, for sure. But don't assume everyone in Spain buys from xercode or everyone in the US buys from ByWater... it upsets me ;-)
10:06 wasabi
10:06 wasabi w0w, looks good!
10:07 wasabi slef:  i didnt assume that before tho :)
10:08 wasabi i just said ," yay spain, yay xercode", thats all ….
10:08 wasabi no assumptions there :)
10:08 slef wasabi: well, randomly cheering a competing vendor while I'm here helping is a bit upsetting.
10:09 wasabi lol, programmers...
10:09 slef kf: do you mean egoistic or selfish?
10:09 slef kf: either way, thank you for your support :)
10:09 wasabi slef:  yep, you are right there, sorry...
10:11 slef wasabi: np
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10:11 wasabi and good spotting on the marc21/unimarc too
10:12 wasabi i didnt twig to it :/
10:12 kf slef: can you explain the difference?
10:13 wasabi hmm, they are pretty similar to me
10:13 slef kf: I think egoistic means self-pleasing (not in a bad way), whereas selfish means concerned with one's own needs (not necessarily in a bad way, but often is)
10:15 wasabi ah, yeah there is a diff
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10:15 wasabi selfish is not concerned with others
10:16 wasabi egotistical is *only* concerned with self
10:16 wasabi but basically the same thing, said in two ways ? :)
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10:18 wasabi nepali food, via google ->
10:19 slef wasabi: I think pleasure against needs is a different emphasis.
10:19 wasabi wow, and a pig!!! ->[…]8_nepali_food.jpg
10:19 slef @quote add <wasabi> wow, and a pig!!! ->[…]8_nepali_food.jpg
10:19 munin slef: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
10:19 wasabi *nod* nice point
10:19 slef munin: swine!
10:19 munin slef: Error: "swine!" is not a valid command.
10:20 wasabi me try!!
10:20 wasabi @quote add <wasabi> wow, and a pig!!! ->[…]8_nepali_food.jpg
10:20 munin wasabi: The operation succeeded.  Quote #119 added.
10:20 wasabi .
10:20 wasabi oooh, worked :)
10:21 wasabi @quote 119
10:21 munin wasabi: Error: The "Quote" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "119" in it.  Try "list Quote" to see the commands in the "Quote" plugin.
10:21 chris @quote get 119
10:21 munin chris: Quote #119: "<wasabi> wow, and a pig!!! ->[…]8_nepali_food.jpg" (added by wasabi at 10:22 AM, January 27, 2011)
10:22 wasabi lol, ta :)
10:22 wasabi the pig has some bbq sauce on it?!?
10:23 wasabi its quite 'reddish' of color
10:27 chris 2,270
10:29 chris bout the same to the UK
10:30 chris india wins  for the cheapest of the 3 to get to
10:30 kmkale :)
10:30 chris for me anyway
10:31 chris altho, i will be in vancouver
10:31 kmkale KohaCon without chris?
10:32 kmkale lets hope not
10:33 chris  <-- presenting here
10:34 chris so might make sense to fly to kohacon from there, then home, of course then i will be away from the family for a while .. will have to figure it out
10:35 kmkale no clash of dates there :)
10:36 kmkale And we will take good care of you. Send you back refreshed ;)
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10:48 chris right bedtime, someone else can take over deleting spam
10:48 * chris wanders off
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11:00 Ropuch Hello #koha!
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11:38 kf hi Ropuch :)
11:38 kf nice to see you!
11:38 kf wasabi, slef: sorry phone calls
11:39 Amit heya kf
11:39 kf hi Amit
12:00 Ropuch Hi kf [;
12:00 Ropuch Hello Amit
12:00 Amit heya Ropuch
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12:27 nengard hello from under the snow
12:28 cirbirian hello people
12:28 druthb g'mornin.
12:28 kf hi nengard and druthb :)
12:29 cirbirian why when I try to make a search, the OPAC says: An Error has Occurred
12:29 cirbirian Error 404
12:29 cirbirian I´ve catalogued a book
12:29 cirbirian and when I try to make its search I get that error message
12:30 wasabi cirbirian: check your apache error.log 1st, alwayzz
12:33 nengard hi kf
12:33 cirbirian I´ve been playing with frameworks
12:34 cirbirian yesterday I created a framework
12:34 cirbirian and catalogued 1 book
12:34 cirbirian with that framework
12:34 cirbirian today I installed the FAST ADD framework
12:34 cirbirian and deleted the one I created yesterday
12:35 cirbirian I do not know if that has something to do with the error in the search
12:36 wasabi yeah, probably ;)
12:36 cirbirian so what can I do?
12:36 wasabi you can test that by loading in your old frameworks,
12:36 cirbirian thanks to god I´m just trying
12:37 cirbirian my I deleted the old framework
12:37 cirbirian but I deleted..
12:37 wasabi the one from your backup, before you did the framework change, etc...
12:37 cirbirian i think the problem is bigger
12:37 cirbirian because if I catalogue 1 book with the new and actived framework (FAST ADD FRAMEWORK)
12:38 cirbirian the book doesn´t appear in the search
12:38 cirbirian I get the same 404 error
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12:38 wasabi yep, check that error log
12:39 cirbirian it´s strange
12:39 wasabi start your testing on a system, before you change/break it
12:39 cirbirian the error log only show logs until 26 january
12:40 cirbirian yes
12:40 cirbirian koha is installed in a laptop
12:40 kf cirbirian: are your cronjobs configured for reindexing?
12:40 cirbirian for testing purposing
12:40 kf and you should always keep the default framework, even if you are not using it
12:41 cirbirian yes it´s keeped
12:41 cirbirian I don´t use it
12:41 cirbirian <kf> what is cronjobs?
12:41 wasabi yeah, start the install again...
12:41 wasabi take a backup, get the search working
12:42 wasabi then start fiddling
12:42 cirbirian I´m lost :(
12:42 cirbirian should I reinstall again Koha?
12:43 wasabi yeah, def.
12:43 cirbirian ok
12:43 cirbirian I promise I won´t delete any framework
12:43 cirbirian nevermore
12:43 wasabi then a mysqldump backup...
12:43 cirbirian friends I´ve to go to launch
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12:44 cirbirian I´ll be back around 14:30 PM (in Spain)
12:44 wasabi choose zebra option
12:44 druthb hi, jwagner
12:44 cirbirian thanks
12:44 wasabi and dev install
12:44 kf cirbirian: the cronjobs do the indexing
12:44 kf so you can search
12:44 kf and remove deleted titles from the index
12:44 jwagner hi druthb and all
12:44 kf I think part of your problem sounds like indexing problems
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12:45 cirbirian I think if I reinstall again I should not get that errors
12:45 cirbirian and I´ll be more careful
12:45 wasabi cirbirian: you shouldnt need to make *any* changes after a fresh install to create/import and bib
12:45 wasabi and search successfully for the bib
12:46 cirbirian ok
12:46 wasabi so concentrate on that 1st
12:46 cirbirian reinstall then
12:46 cirbirian I go
12:46 cirbirian See you later
12:46 wasabi[…];f=INSTALL.debian
12:47 wasabi read that 1st
12:47 wasabi re: cronjobs
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12:56 kmkale I have author name in 100$a MARC21. In Staff client if I search a Author's name with Author as phrase I get results but If I search it with Personal Name I dont get any results. What is wrong?
12:59 wasabi personal-name is 600$a in marc21
13:00 wasabi and works for me, on 3.2.3
13:01 kmkale thanks wasabi Will try it
13:02 wasabi search for personal-name here
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13:02 wasabi search on 'gra'
13:03 wasabi[…]l?biblionumber=31
13:03 wasabi 600 10 - SUBJECT ADDED ENTRY--PERSONAL NAME Personal name Grant, Alexander
13:03 kmkale @marc 100 a
13:03 munin kmkale: Personal name A surname and/or forename; letters, initials, abbreviations, phrases, or numbers used in place of a name; or a family name.
13:04 kmkale @marc 600 a
13:04 munin kmkale: Personal name
13:04 kmkale humph!!
13:04 wasabi lol, daily marc-wtf ;)
13:05 kmkale ;)
13:05 wasabi kmkale:  pass, im not really a cataloger  :/
13:05 ebegin good morning
13:06 kmkale good morning ebegin
13:06 ebegin @wunder montreal, quebec
13:06 munin ebegin: The current temperature in Montreal / Dorval International, Que, Quebec is -6.0�C (7:00 AM EST on January 27, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: -9.0�C. Pressure: 29.79 in 1009 hPa (Rising).
13:06 kmkale me too wasabi
13:06 ebegin Getting hotter :)
13:07 wasabi kmkale:  its a confusing search, i think
13:07 ebegin Is there a way to search without the left truncation in order to have a kind of "Search title starting with _____"
13:08 kmkale wasabi: MARC is confucing I think :)
13:09 wasabi most people dont realize they are ?only? searching the 6xx fields on a 'personal-name' search
13:10 kmkale ebegin: is there a way to search for middle part of a word? for example search for xam in 'example'? (does it even make sense to search like that?). I just had this query from a librarian :(
13:12 wasabi ebegin:  pass on that one
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13:14 wasabi kmkale:  whew.. looks like a personal-name search is widered than just the 6xx stuff
13:14 wasabi fields 100, 400, 600, 700, 800
13:15 wasabi[…]0238;hb=HEAD#l533
13:15 wasabi wider
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13:18 ebegin kmkale, I think koha should find that 'xam' in example...
13:19 kmkale its not doing it on my catalogue right now.
13:21 kmkale so for personal name the cataloguer has to choose which of the *00$a is right for the item type s/he is cataloguing is that it?
13:21 * gmcharlt wonders about that - it's not like 'xam' has any linguistic meaning all by itself
13:22 druthb kmkale:  the type of item doesn't have much to do with it.  +
13:22 gmcharlt ebegin: do you know what search the librarian is trying to do for real?
13:23 druthb The field to choose has to do with the relationship between the person named, and the item.  100, if the person is the primary author, 700, if they are an added or partial author...600, if the book is *about* them as a subject, and so on.
13:23 kmkale so they just put the personal name in all fields 100, 400, 600, 700, 800?
13:23 wasabi kmkale: a cataloger knows which field to chose, 1xx or 6xx, etc
13:23 kmkale oh
13:23 wasabi lol, no
13:23 ebegin gmcharlt, find all documents starting by "Reports" for instance
13:23 kmkale but then when in staff we search on personal name and name as phrase it s bit confusing IMHO
13:23 druthb catalogers spend a ton of time learning this stuff.  Incredible detail can go into those records.
13:24 wasabi if in doubt, *i* would just choose one
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13:24 jcamins I can confirm that it makes a huge difference which x00 field is chosen.
13:24 jcamins And, good morning.
13:24 kmkale good morning jcamins
13:24 druthb g'morning, jcamins!
13:24 ebegin gmcharlt, and they doesn't want all document containing the word "reports"
13:25 gmcharlt ebegin: thanks for clarifying - that kind of search (start of phrase or heading) is a little different from the 'xam' example
13:26 kmkale i guess there is a reason why that kinda search is only there in staff interface. Library staff are suppoed to intuitively understand thye diference?
13:26 ebegin gmcharlt, I agree. Basically, it to remove the left truncation... Is this possible?
13:27 gmcharlt ebegin: in principle; I'd have to work out the details
13:27 ebegin (I would have to add an option in the advanced search, of course
13:27 wasabi kmkale: not intuitively , but yes, understand
13:28 kmkale Good for them ( And me. Now I can tell them "You are supposed to know this!!" ;) )
13:28 wasabi those 'power-user' options confuse patrons, so are hidden by default, i assume
13:29 druthb is now known as drb_food
13:30 jcamins kmkale: just so you know, corporate name searches don't work properly at the moment.
13:30 jcamins There's a bug in the indexing.
13:30 jcamins I'll be submitting a patch.
13:31 wasabi kmkale:  if in doubt with searching, turn the debug up , and watch the log
13:32 wasabi you can see the query being built, and sent to zebra , etc
13:32 wasabi so you then know what zebra indexes are being searched
13:32 kmkale I dont want to be the one telling the librarians this MARC stuff. They are supposed to tell me!! But here the public libraries are so under funded, they never have qualified staff.
13:34 wasabi teach them to use irc, they can ask themselves :)
13:35 wasabi seriously, its a novel idea
13:36 kmkale Yup. Wherever we go with we try. VPM librarians help in training them.
13:37 wasabi an always-on #irc channel of experts is something no other $ILS-VENDOR  could offer
13:38 kmkale :) wasabi good idea. Get them on #koha. Its the friendliest channel I know :)
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13:38 jcamins @later tell cait I'm looking at Marcel de Rooy's patch for bug 5622. A) It's really cool! B) if you added a test for leader19='c' for the "Set" label, would that meet your needs?
13:38 munin jcamins: The operation succeeded.
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14:06 owen tcohen here?
14:06 tcohen yeap
14:07 owen There's instructions on the wiki on how to sign off on a patch, but you need someone else to sign off on yours
14:07 tcohen perfect
14:07 tcohen i'll check it out
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14:12 owen tcohen: How do you test Bug 4903?
14:12 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4903 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED, OAI doesn't work out of the box - XSL path
14:12 tcohen PKP Harvester on
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14:13 owen Let me rephrase that :)
14:13 owen How do *I* test the bug?
14:13 tcohen on unpatched installs retreival fails and logs say a (wrong) path to the xsl file doesn't exist
14:14 tcohen owen: i don't get it
14:14 owen How can I confirm the bug on my own local installation
14:15 tcohen the problem arises on a 'standard' install, when trying to retreive records
14:15 tcohen via OAI
14:15 tcohen it works as-is on a dev install, but not a standard one
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14:19 * owen has a dev install, so I can't help
14:19 kmkale yippe on Ubuntu 11.04 I only had to install one perl module Locale::Currency::Format from CPAN. And Storable to get the required version :)
14:19 owen Anyone know what Koha is doing when it searches "Publication Date (yyyy)" ?
14:20 owen The results page says "'yr,st-numeric:"
14:20 owen But the results are not limited to the year I'm searching
14:22 sekjal owen:  pubyear:  008/7-10, indexed in year,word,num,sort indexes
14:22 sekjal (from record.abs)
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14:24 owen In my search for "2010" the first hit I get is a 2008 record
14:25 jcamins_a owen: Really?
14:26 owen Honest :)
14:26 jcamins_a I just tried it in your catalog and it worked right.
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14:26 chris_n refresh my very short memory: where do we setup the library hours of operation?
14:28 owen jcamins: I'm trying this in my test installation
14:28 jcamins owen: oh.
14:28 jcamins Right.
14:29 jwagner chris_n, Tools, Calendar
14:29 jcamins Mis-cataloged?
14:29 owen jcamins: What test did you try in our live catalog? Was it in the OPAC?
14:29 jcamins Yes.
14:30 jcamins Are you in the staff client and getting different results than the OPAC
14:30 chris_n jwagner: yes, but this assumes the library is open from midnight to midnight
14:30 hdl hi all
14:30 chris_n hi hdl
14:31 jwagner chris_n, sorry, didn't read the "hours" part closely enough :-)
14:31 chris_n :)
14:31 owen jcamins: I'm trying an advanced search, choosing "Publication Date (yyyy)" from the dropdown
14:31 hdl chris_n: I don't think it is defined somewhere.
14:31 paul_p hello american ppl !
14:31 * chris_n figures he will just setup the cronjob to calc overdues at the hour the library closes...
14:31 jcamins Ohhh.
14:31 chris_n hi paul_p
14:32 jcamins That dropdown has issues.
14:32 paul_p owen, do you have a few minut to spend on #5575? your comment 23 does not clearly show wether there is something  to do still
14:32 paul_p (at least I don't know if I have something to do ;-) )
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14:33 jwagner chris_n, will that work for overdues?  It's looking for the date the item is due, so doesn't it have to be run after midnight?
14:34 owen The advanced search on Publication Date (YYYY) is constructed differently than the OPAC's "Publication date range" search
14:35 jwagner There are one or more bug reports on the pubyear search, aren't there?
14:35 chris_n jwagner: I think you are right there... I didn't think of that
14:35 chris_n seems there may be a needed enhancement lurking here somewhere
14:36 owen paul_p: I haven't had time to work on that in a few days. I think that right now there isn't anything I'm waiting to hear from you about.
14:36 owen I do want to do more testing.
14:36 jcamins owen: I can confirm there's a bug, but I have no idea what it is.
14:36 paul_p owen, any timeline for those testings ?
14:37 paul_p (owen: did I tell you I *really* appreciate the time you spend on our branches)
14:37 owen Sorry, no
14:37 owen paul_p: I would much prefer to be testing your stuff today, but other stuff is taking precedence.
14:49 pastebot "kmkale" at pasted "make test errors" (11 lines) at
14:50 kmkale Anyone can give me a hint on this? ^ ^
14:57 kmkale I am getting a bunch of "DBD::mysql::db selectrow_array failed: Table 'koha-dev.systempreferences' doesn't exist at /home/kk/kohaclone/blib/PER​L_MODULE_DIR/C4/ line 480." in make test.
14:57 kmkale is that normal?
15:02 sekjal kmkale:  what's your PERL5LIB environment variable?
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15:04 Nate hello #koha!
15:05 kmkale sekjal: its unset presently. Fresh install
15:06 sekjal kmkale:  and you can log into your koha-dev database?
15:06 kmkale sekjal: yes
15:06 sekjal hmmm
15:06 kmkale no tables there
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15:07 sekjal I remember something about an error where the make test tries to use the database before the database is created... not sure if/when that got solved
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15:13 wizzyrea yes, that still happens afaik
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16:02 briceSanc hello all
16:02 briceSanc do you remember ? :[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4501
16:02 munin Bug 4501: critical, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW, Duplicate budget broken
16:03 briceSanc is there an update about this bug ? What was the initial code used to duplicate a budget ? Do i need to build a new code ?
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17:39 paul_p time to go back home for me. Some guests for dinner. Thanks for the constructive thread on koha-devel.
17:40 paul_p is now known as paul_away
17:48 chris morning, can someone go back in time to 5am when i woke up, and stop atarau from poking me in the eye?
17:50 sekjal chris:  my TARDIS is still on order
17:51 sekjal should arrive anywhere from 10 years ago to next century... hard to say
17:51 gmcharlt that's the problem with TARDISs - if you actually take delivery of one, you can get it to yourself earlier - but nobody has gotten to that point yet
17:52 chris hehe
17:53 owen Assuming you're in an episode that allows travel back within your own timeline </nerd>
17:53 gmcharlt true, avoiding an explosion that destorys the universe on redelivery is an issue
17:53 owen Actually there isn't a </nerd> big enough to stop all my nerdiness.
17:54 chris hehe
17:54 chris you just need caps
17:54 chris </NERD>
17:54 gmcharlt whatever you do, do NOT shake hands with yourself
17:54 chris fixed
17:54 sekjal I think time is less like a continuum, and more like a series of git commits
17:55 gmcharlt @quote add <sekjal> I think time is less like a continuum, and more like a series of git commits
17:55 munin gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.  Quote #120 added.
17:55 chris_n git revert last-mistake
17:55 chris in that case
17:55 chris git reset HEAD^
17:55 chris git stash
17:55 chris there now i have an eye poke stashed for when i need it
17:56 chris_n hehe
17:56 owen I'd love to hear the story that demands its application!
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17:59 chris you never know
17:59 chris maybe the next time i try to sit through a bad movie
18:00 chris git stash apply
18:00 chris 'argh, now i have to go put a cold cloth on my eye, upside i dont have to watch the rest of this crap'
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18:42 cait hi #koha
18:42 cait jcamins: around?
18:43 nengard koha newsletter published
18:44 cait hi nengard++
18:44 cait crazy day
18:44 cait but got a rfid reader for testing :)
18:56 drb_away is now known as druthb
18:57 chris @wunder wellington
18:57 munin chris: Error: No such location could be found.
18:57 * druthb returns, well-fed
18:57 chris @wunder wellington, nz
18:57 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 12.0�C (7:00 AM NZDT on January 28, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
18:58 chris Its gotta be at least 17 now
18:59 ibeardsle mmm morning coffee
18:59 cait hi chris
18:59 cait hi druthb :)
18:59 cait hi ibeardsle
19:00 nengard @wunder 19030
19:00 munin nengard: The current temperature in CWOP # AR939, Penndel, Pennsylvania is 0.7�C (2:02 PM EST on January 27, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: -0.0�C. Windchill: 1.0�C. Pressure: 29.78 in 1008.4 hPa (Steady).
19:00 chris Heya cait
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19:01 chris Thanks for the newsletter nengard
19:01 nengard np
19:01 indradg chris, got a few mins?
19:01 chris For you, of course
19:02 indradg :)
19:02 chris I'm on the bus tho, so using my phone
19:16 cait jcamins++
19:19 chris OK my stop bbiab
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19:21 sekjal has anyone tried the bulk patron image uploader recently?
19:21 cait never
19:25 gmcharlt sekjal: three or four months ago
19:31 chris back
19:31 chris not recently no sekjal
19:36 chris ohh this freaking rocks
19:36 chris
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19:36 Brooke kia ora
19:38 owen congrats on the new Koha libraries gmcharlt
19:39 hdl good evening
19:39 owen Who owns "" ?
19:39 cait what says whois?
19:40 ibeardsle Equinox Software Inc
19:40 gmcharlt owen: see for statement
19:40 gmcharlt owen: and thanks
19:40 chris they have a good policy
19:40 chris oh gmcharlt beat me
19:41 owen Awesome gmcharlt, I hadn't seen that before.
19:41 owen Much better than the verbal assurances Josh gave years ago about *
19:41 owen (especially given the track record of other similar assurances)
19:42 * gmcharlt is just waiting for somebody to ask for literally
19:42 chris ill have it
19:42 chris there you go
19:42 chris :)
19:42 gmcharlt chris: heh
19:42 * chris has enough domains .. it would be cool to see that one used tho
19:49 Brooke gmcharlt, don't beat chris unless he asks nicely.
19:49 * Brooke ducks.
19:50 * druthb tries to picture that, and, thankfully, fails.
19:50 chris he'll have to wait until ALA
19:50 chris he missed his chance in october ;)
19:50 owen Nice to see mbreeding tweet about a #koha library that's real #koha.
19:50 chris it is :)
19:51 chris good retweet from ibeardsle this morning
19:51 chris!/ibeardsl[…]30701260151721984
19:52 owen :D
19:52 gmcharlt Brooke: how do you know that he didn't? ;)
19:53 Brooke tee hee
19:56 * Brooke shivers just thinking about Alberta during this time of year.
20:11 cait @wunder Konstanz
20:11 munin cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 0.0�C (9:00 PM CET on January 27, 2011). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1016 hPa (Rising).
20:11 jwagner cait, since you've appeared :-) -- Bug 5664
20:11 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5664 normal, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, Bug with memberofinstitution and creating Organizational patrons
20:11 jwagner What we were talking about yesterday.
20:11 * cait hides
20:11 druthb @wunder 20852
20:11 munin druthb: The current temperature in Woodley Gardens, Rockville, Maryland is 0.1�C (3:10 PM EST on January 27, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: -4.0�C. Windchill: 0.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010.0 hPa (Falling).
20:11 jwagner No, you don't have to do anything -- just letting you know it's there.
20:12 cait ok :)
20:12 cait crazy day, will read a bit later and thx :)
20:13 Brooke awww
20:13 * Brooke hands cait a cookie.
20:14 * jwagner hands cait a cup of hot cocoa to go with it
20:17 cait hehe thx
20:17 cait :)
20:28 Brooke moon over my spammy!
20:28 Brooke Koha Tikanga
20:28 Brooke As with any culture, understanding Koha etiquette takes time, effort, and practice. If you are unsure about your conduct, seek out the Kaitiaki.
20:28 Brooke The community is larger than any individual or any vendor. We are related and intertwined. Enthusiasm and fun nourish the project.
20:28 Brooke There exists a white space of balance between the black of the developers and the red of the librarians. The pattern is harmonious and code absent all three is devoid of meaning.
20:28 Brooke We build upon the work of the past, while seeking innovative twists. We aren't afraid to break from the pack if it means a better product for our users and their patrons.
20:28 Brooke Call things as you see them. Constructive criticism is the fuel of innovation. Respecting another's mana and keeping discourse welcoming to newcomers is the lifeblood of the project.
20:28 Brooke We pride ourselves on pairing high quality craftsmanship with unmatched accessibility. In the words of MJ Ray "The professionals have really messed stuff up for the artisans."
20:28 Brooke While financial support is a fine fuel for development, alternatives are present. Professionals are paid in coin; artisans derive satisfaction from the work itself.
20:29 chris psst use the paste bot
20:29 chris
20:29 Brooke yeah I shoulda
20:29 Brooke I gots no excuse.
20:29 druthb too late!
20:30 Brooke @munin roulette
20:30 munin Brooke: Error: "munin" is not a valid command.
20:30 ibot i already had it that way, munin.
20:30 Brooke @roulette
20:30 munin Brooke: *click*
20:30 Brooke munin said it's fine.
20:30 munin Brooke: Error: "said" is not a valid command.
20:32 cait @roulette
20:32 munin cait: *click*
20:32 Brooke :)
20:32 Brooke can't shoot Cait.
20:32 chris Brooke++
20:32 chris i like it
20:35 sekjal hmm, the snow and ice have ripped down the neighbours' awning
20:35 sekjal glad no one was under it when it went
20:37 chris yikes
20:38 sekjal some absolutely wicked looking icicles hanging right above it all, too... next door is a perilous place to live, apparently
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20:39 owen I've known some people who lived next door, but I've never lived there myself.
20:40 jwagner owen, that's unneighborly of you!
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20:41 * owen_ is now an unwitting neighbor to himself.
20:41 Brooke tschuss
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20:42 cait :)
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21:19 hdl @roulette
21:19 munin hdl: *click*
21:20 chris you are safe hdl .. buy a lottery ticket :-)
21:21 hdl being virtually killed is not really exciting ;)
21:21 druthb @roulette
21:21 munin druthb: *click*
21:21 chris heh
21:31 cait @roulette
21:31 cait was kicked by munin: BANG!
21:31 * munin reloads and spins the chambers.
21:31 cait joined #koha
21:31 cait :(
21:31 cait munin: it's not nice to shoot the person that gives you cookies!
21:31 munin cait: Error: "it's" is not a valid command.
21:31 cait who gives you...
21:32 * druthb gets out the first-aid kit for cait
21:37 * jwagner decides to hang it up for the day....
21:37 jwagner G'night all.
21:38 cait hm good plan, I have a book about sheep to read
21:38 jwagner baaaaaa
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21:41 chris cait:
21:42 cait scary
21:43 cait can't find my book in english on amazon - it's a sheep thriller
21:43 cait first volume is:[…]f=ntt_at_ep_dpi_1
21:43 druthb sheep detective.     that's different.
21:46 cait reading time -bye all!
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21:57 sekjal alrighty, time to brave the ice and snow
21:57 sekjal goodnight, #koha
21:57 sekjal left #koha
21:57 hdl good time
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22:06 chris what time is it in california?
22:22 ibeardsle[…]k/city.html?n=137
22:23 wizzyrea be safe sekjal
22:23 wizzyrea it'll be... 2pm
22:23 wizzyrea 2:25
22:24 chris so the web seminar thingy is nearly finished
22:24 chris
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22:55 chris http://www.librarytechnology.o[…]
22:55 chris havent read it yet
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23:20 chris http://www.librarytechnology.o[…]oha+--+Libriotech
23:20 chris magnus aces it
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