IRC log for #koha, 2011-01-25

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00:06 moodaepo @wunder 56001
00:06 munin moodaepo: The current temperature in MSU Physics Dept, Mankato, Minnesota is -8.1�C (6:08 PM CST on January 24, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: -9.0�C. Windchill: -14.0�C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1014.8 hPa (Steady).
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01:31 hudsonbot Starting build 43 for job Koha_Docs_Master_Branch (previous build: SUCCESS)
01:46 hudsonbot Project Koha_Docs_Master_Branch build #43: SUCCESS in 14 min: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]Master_Branch/43/
01:46 hudsonbot Nicole C. Engard: add kit icon to XSLT appendix
01:46 hudsonbot Starting build 44 for job Koha_Docs_Master_Branch (previous build: SUCCESS)
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02:00 hudsonbot Project Koha_Docs_Master_Branch build #44: SUCCESS in 13 min: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]Master_Branch/44/
02:00 hudsonbot Nicole C. Engard: break my account into sections
02:01 hudsonbot Starting build 45 for job Koha_Docs_Master_Branch (previous build: SUCCESS)
02:14 hudsonbot Project Koha_Docs_Master_Branch build #45: SUCCESS in 13 min: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]Master_Branch/45/
02:14 hudsonbot * Nicole C. Engard: add section to opac chapter for purchase suggestions
02:14 hudsonbot * Nicole C. Engard: add note about OPAC_SUG value to purchase suggestions
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02:44 Brooke kiiia ora
02:45 chris hiya Brooke
02:45 Brooke :)
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05:11 wasabi lol, this is gold...
05:11 wasabi '[Koha] Tech consultants worried about the security of a windows server network if linux server with Koha is introduced. . .'
05:12 wasabi will installing a openbsd system introduce any security risks to my win95 network?
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05:18 Amit heya all
05:19 wasabi \o amit
05:19 Amit heya mason
05:21 wasabi haay, kohacon11 in india++ :)
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06:03 chris wasabi: yeah that was fud i ever saw it
06:03 chris if i even
06:03 chris hi Amit
06:03 Amit heya chris
06:04 Amit kohacon11 in india++ ;)
06:07 wasabi troll-1:  dl-0
06:10 Amit wasabi: so r u coming to india if kohacon11 in india?
06:10 wasabi yes :)
06:14 chris dl ?
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06:20 chris excuse?
06:20 ibot chris: system consumed all the paper for paging
06:20 chris hi kmkale
06:20 chris its down to 3 now :)
06:22 Amit hi kmkale
06:23 kmkale hi Amit
06:24 kmkale hi chris
06:24 * wasabi waves at kmkale
06:24 kmkale chris I wanted to ask if conference hosting should be an item on the agenda for the irc meeting on 2nd Feb
06:24 kmkale hi wasabi
06:25 chris yeah, pop it on
06:25 Amit kmkale: I think this is better
06:25 kmkale ok
06:25 Amit kmkale: we will support to u.
06:25 Amit for kohacon11 in india
06:25 kmkale Thanks Amit. I had a email from Savitra too
06:26 kmkale been getting emails from a lot of librarian from all over India. Everyone is exited :)
06:26 Amit yes i replied now i m in favour kohacon11 in mumbai
06:27 Amit this is better to meet all the koha developer and people
06:27 chris kmkale: irc meetings are how most things are decided, so definitely put it on the agenda for discussion
06:28 kmkale chris doing that right now
06:29 hudsonbot Starting build 319 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS)
06:29 chris hmm i wonder what my point of view was :)
06:30 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5619: Subfield 9 missing from most authorised heading fields <[…]3ccca64ed467fe4da>
06:32 kmkale done[…]ruary_2011#Agenda
06:32 chris cool
06:33 chris ill send out a reminder email about the meeting
06:41 chris done
06:54 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #319: SUCCESS in 24 min: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]/Koha_Master/319/
06:54 hudsonbot Ian Walls: Bug 5619: Subfield 9 missing from most authorised heading fields
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07:03 chris hi BobB
07:03 BobB Hi Chris
07:04 BobB I'm in Brisbane for Linux Conf.  Very hot and humid but at least we are above the water line.
07:04 chris yeah, sounds like they did a good job finding an alternative venue on short notice
07:06 BobB The organisers have done an amazing job.  They re-planned the conference in 10 days.  Very impressive.
07:06 BobB Chris, I want to follow up on a problem that Seth Mayo raised on list this afternoon.  Very puzzling.
07:07 chris yeah, the first thing id do is check the items table
07:07 chris make sure the items exist there
07:07 chris and have barcodes
07:07 chris because circulation doesnt care about marc
07:07 BobB Unfortunately I don't have access to his system, but I am certain the barcodes are in 952$p.
07:08 BobB Are you saying that Search will use Marc but circulation doesn't?  He can search on barcodes and find his items.
07:08 chris yeah that uses the MARC
07:08 chris circulation uses the items table
07:09 chris so thats what you need to check
07:09 BobB OK, so if there's a problem at Items level the record will be found by Search but won't be recognised at Circulation?
07:09 chris potentially yes
07:10 BobB That's what he is seeing.
07:10 BobB I cannot think of any other reason.
07:11 chris yeah
07:11 wasabi heya BobB
07:11 BobB I'll get him to make the inquiry you suggested and also check that items.barcode is mapped to 952$p.  Anything else?
07:12 BobB Hi Mason!
07:12 wasabi potentially goofy padding before/after the barcode too
07:13 wasabi /cgi-bin/koha/admin/ is the place to check 1st
07:13 BobB Which the SQL query should also reveal?
07:13 chris checking the items actually exist and whats in the barcode table is the first thing
07:13 chris if there are either no items, or the items have no barcodes
07:14 chris then the next thing to check is the linkage
07:14 wasabi select * from items where barcode = '99999' etc...
07:14 chris naw,
07:14 chris just select barcode from items limit 10;
07:14 chris is all you need to do first
07:15 chris just to see what is in the barcodes column
07:15 chris then depending on what you find, you have a bunch of things to check next
07:15 wasabi well, id go looking at specific problem bib/item, myself..
07:15 chris they are all problems
07:16 wasabi sure, so choose one of them, for starters :)
07:17 chris i think thats the long way, you cant rule anything out with only one
07:17 chris first thing you want to check is do the items exist
07:17 wasabi but yeah, it will be the marc-items table linking stuff thats the prob
07:17 chris next, do they have barcodes
07:18 wasabi just compare them to a working sane koha, to detect where its busted
07:18 BobB OK, there's enough for starters.  I'll buzz off and ring Seth.  Prolly having dinner!
07:18 BobB Thanks heaps you guys.
07:19 wasabi if you imported the bibs using you may have a problem
07:20 wasabi im not sure that creates the item records
07:21 wasabi so in that situ, zebra searching works, coz its indexed the item records fine...
07:22 wasabi but no actual item rows exist in the items table, for circ to work
07:22 wasabi which is basically what chris.c just said  :)
07:24 BobB But does create item records, if a 952 field is present?
07:24 wasabi i cant remember, offhand - its been a while since i last used it
07:24 wasabi but im pretty sure it does
07:26 wasabi most of the bibs i've imported using the tool, didnt have item/952 info
07:26 BobB We'll have to wait for Seth to tell us whether items are present.  He isn't about at present.  I've left a message.
07:28 wasabi anyone else know about importing item-level info correctly ?
07:31 chris yeah it works fine
07:32 wasabi cool, i shut up then...
07:34 BobB Gotta go.  Will let you know the outcome when I hear back from Seth.
07:34 BobB Thanks again.
07:34 chris cool
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08:20 praba hi
08:20 praba how to enable email notifications in koha 3.06
08:21 praba i'm getting mail for new registration but don't know how to enable it for overdue, issue, return notices
08:30 chris 3.0.6 you mean?
08:31 praba 4ya exactly 3.0.6..
08:32 chris look in misc/cronjobs/crontab.example
08:32 chris for the cronjobs you need to set up
08:35 paul_p good morning #koha !
08:36 paul_p (& good night kiwis ;-) )
08:39 chris hi paul_p
08:40 praba 4thanks chris.. i ll look into that
08:41 paul_p hi chris. Quite cold in Marseille those days... deep winter is here. I hope your deep summer is fine ;-)
08:41 chris @wunder wellington nz
08:42 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 17.0�C (9:00 PM NZDT on January 25, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Rising).
08:42 chris quite a nice evening tonight
08:42 paul_p @wunder marseille, france
08:42 munin paul_p: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 1.0�C (9:30 AM CET on January 25, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: -5.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
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08:45 * chris is upgrading bugzilla
08:45 chris
08:45 chris in case it goes away, thats why
08:48 chris done
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09:34 kf hi #koha
09:48 wasabi[…]-Over-Windows-Tax
09:48 wasabi 'Most users do not realise that starting the software means you have accepted the end user licence."'
09:49 wasabi lol, is that really true!?!
09:49 wasabi if you've opened your door, you've just bought some steak-knives...
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11:54 Topic for #koha is now Koha 3.2.3 is now available; os academy is over and we ended with 50.1% subroutine test coverage, let's stay above that
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12:18 wasabi oooh,
12:18 wasabi looks nice...
12:19 wasabi[…]/wiki/ScreenShots
12:21 magnus yeah, that is cool - a way to enhance the OPAC without bloating Koha...
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12:22 magnus at one time there was an incompatibility with the jquery version used by juice and the one shipped with koha, not sure how that works now
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12:39 jwagner Morning, all
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12:48 chris_n google--
12:49 kmkale hi chris_n
12:49 * chris_n thinks this is *not* a good way to start the day
12:49 chris_n hi kmkale
12:49 chris_n google's latest "new" feature set breaks their oid stuff for edu hosted email
12:50 kmkale ouch
12:50 magnus wow, looks like biblibre has lot's of cool stuff coming - i love the possibility to anonymize with cron!
13:20 kf I see ppn mentioned a lot there - interesting for us :)
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13:21 magnus kf (hi!): ppn?
13:22 kf hi magnus .)
13:22 kf 001 controlnumber in pica catalogs (afaik)
13:22 kf our union catalog uses that term too
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13:23 magnus a ha
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14:05 jwagner paul_p, online?
14:07 kf hi jwagner
14:07 jwagner Guten tag, kf
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14:38 paul_p hello jwagner, i'm here now !
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14:43 wizzyrea good morning
14:44 jwagner paul_p, do you know specifics about Bug 3571?  hdl isn't online or I'd ask him :-)
14:44 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3571 normal, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW, AutoTruncation is not allowed alone
14:44 paul_p (hdl is teaching git/patch/perl/ to one of our customers)
14:45 * jwagner would like to take that class :-)
14:46 paul_p jwagner, nope, I don't know anything specific about this bug. We always have Autotruncate=OFF now, because the patrons are in trouble when they don't expect a short word to be autotruncate !
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14:49 jwagner auto truncate is off, but we have a site reporting that wildcard (*) isn't working in advanced search.  This was the nearest bugzilla entry I found, so I was hoping :-)
14:49 jwagner Correction, not the * but just truncation in general they're saying doesn't work in advanced search.
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14:51 jwagner I haven't dug into the problem deeply yet; searching bugzilla didn't come up with much.
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15:01 jwagner Hmm.  Has anyone done a git pull this morning & gotten an error in the web installer?  My last one went fine, but I'm now getting " Argument "3.0300XXX" isn't numeric in numeric lt (<) at /home/k32/kohaclone/installer​/data/mysql/ line 3957."
15:02 jwagner (current head)
15:02 owen Looks like that XXX slipped in by mistake
15:02 paul_p mmm.... 3.0300XXX means it's an unfinished merge. If it's an uptodate fetch, then it means chris means something
15:02 paul_p ( 'morning owen )
15:03 jwagner I'll try to remember to ping chris later then.
15:03 wizzyrea you could @later him
15:03 wizzyrea that way you dont' have to try to remember
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15:09 CIA-1 Koha: chrisc kcmaster * rv3.02.00-591-gfdaf3c6 / (installer/data/mysql/ Bumping database version
15:09 jwagner wizzyrea, thanks -- brain isn't working too clearly today (nasty migraine is building, sigh)
15:10 jwagner @later tell chris I got an error on my latest git pull against current head, when I ran update database.  It said " Argument "3.0300XXX" isn't numeric in numeric lt (<) at /home/k32/kohaclone/installer​/data/mysql/ line 3957."
15:10 munin jwagner: The operation succeeded.
15:11 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Bumping database version <[…]cb919f63b2a5ca72b>
15:15 hudsonbot Starting build 320 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS)
15:15 wizzyrea sorry to hear about the headache
15:16 gmcharlt would appear that chris got the message :)
15:16 jwagner Doesn't he EVER sleep????
15:17 paul_p 'morning gmcharlt (just answered to your mail)
15:17 gmcharlt paul_p: thanks
15:17 paul_p jwagner, yes, he's sleeping. munin is just saying he has registered the request. But still not delivered the message.
15:17 kf jwagner: does not seem so :)
15:17 paul_p he will be delivered when someone with his nick says something
15:19 jwagner Or else he's secretly perfected
15:21 gmcharlt paul_p: I was referring to the commit announcement
15:21 gmcharlt and the apparent, though scary, revelation that chris can do small bugfixes IN HIS SLEEP!
15:22 paul_p gmcharlt, right ! so either bots are more and more intelligent, or he works in his sleep
15:22 paul_p (or someone else has a git access and silently fixed the problem ;-) )
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15:41 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #320: UNSTABLE in 26 min: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]/Koha_Master/320/
15:41 hudsonbot Chris Cormack: Bumping database version
15:42 kf owen: around?
15:42 owen Yes
15:43 kf can you give me a hint? I am trying to replace the content of an element with different text
15:43 kf (translation issue9
15:43 kf <td>Item DUE</td> - I have selected the element, but now I want to change it
15:45 owen $("td").text("New next");
15:45 kf text
15:45 kf I had html()
15:45 kf thx
15:45 kf owen++
15:46 owen I'm surprised html() didn't work too
15:48 kf perhaps because I messed up my selector at some point :(
15:49 owen : Manipulation -> Changing Contents
15:51 kf thx
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16:26 jwagner @later tell chris A later git pull seems to have resolved the updatedatabase error.
16:26 munin jwagner: The operation succeeded.
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16:39 paul_p time to go to catch my plane... going to Lille once again ! see you on thursday #koha !
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16:55 wizzyrea safe travels paul_p
16:56 paul_p thx wizzyrea. Small trip (1H15)
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17:38 cait hi #koha
17:45 jwagner hi cait
17:46 hudsonbot Starting build 47 for job Koha_Docs_Master_Branch (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #45 15 hr ago)
17:49 cait jcamins: around?
17:50 chris hi cait
17:50 cait hi chris
17:51 cait chris: coworker almost solved my ubuntu problem - it's shift during boot to get into grub :)
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17:52 wasabi
17:53 wasabi 'Hold down SHIFT to display the hidden menu during boot (formerly ESC is GRUB legacy).'
17:53 wasabi lol, it *was* escape
17:53 cait yeah, confusing
17:53 cait spend a lot of time googling too
17:54 cait hoped jared was here to tell me what to do now :)
17:54 wasabi my ratings thingy running on 3.2.3
17:54 cait wasabi++
17:54 cait cool :)
17:54 wasabi[…]
17:55 owen Nice
17:56 wasabi trying to get it ready for chris this week, before 3.4 cut-off
17:57 wasabi now to push up to github...
17:58 rhcl Hey, the ratings thing looks good
17:58 rhcl wasabi++
17:59 hudsonbot Yippie, build fixed!
17:59 hudsonbot Project Koha_Docs_Master_Branch build #47: FIXED in 13 min: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]Master_Branch/47/
18:04 cait ok, shift worked exactly one time... and now it stopped working
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18:06 cait ignore me... found the problem
18:07 wasabi oooh, pushed to github….
18:08 wasabi[…]57a06e246e9739dd9
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18:09 wizzyrea hi brooke
18:13 sekjal my tests for bug 5376 are showing it's no longer present in HEAD.  can anyone confirm?
18:13 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5376 critical, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Batch Edit and Delete need Superlibrarian Permissions
18:14 chris woot wasabi
18:15 Brooke ibot: wasabi
18:15 ibot well, wasabi is sleeping
18:15 * chris will look sekjal
18:16 cait whoohoo - repaired my ubuntu installation :)
18:16 chris yay!
18:17 chris yeah thats fixed sekjal
18:18 chris at least thats what my cursory test tell me
18:18 sekjal interesting... still got some folks noticing it, and they're on very recent code
18:18 chris hmmm
18:19 chris but you cant replicate?
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18:25 sekjal nope, can't replicate on my machine
18:25 sekjal and comparing the code, it's the same on the, batchMod-del.tmpl and batchMod-edit.tmpl
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18:26 chris C4/
18:26 chris check that
18:26 chris thats where CAN_user_tools_items_batchdel etc
18:26 chris gets set
18:27 lavamind hello, using koha-3.2.2, I'm trying to install translated preferences, but it's not working : running translate -p install <lang>, the *.pref files are created but not translated! (still in English)
18:27 chris what language lavamind ?
18:27 lavamind yet in the .po files, I see there are translations for prefs in that language
18:27 lavamind fr-FR
18:28 chris drop an email to
18:28 cait lavamind: standard install or dev install?
18:28 lavamind cait: standard
18:28 cait there was a bug fixed for standard install - I think in 3.2.3
18:28 cait before it was not working for standard
18:28 chris ahh that might be it
18:28 lavamind oh
18:28 lavamind should I clone from git then ?
18:28 chris you could get 3.2.3 and upgrade
18:29 cait you can update to 3.2.3 that should work too - but have not tested it since it was changed
18:29 chris is it a production system?
18:29 lavamind chris : yes, more or less, it's for teaching
18:30 chris then do a backup or 2 before upgrading :)
18:30 chris cait: can you remember the bug number?
18:30 lavamind the class hasn't started yet, so it's not too bad
18:31 lavamind if you have a commit id that could work too
18:31 chris ill just check it has been fixed (lots of other fixes in 3.2.3 so worth upgrading anyway)
18:31 chris
18:31 cait chris: it was from frederic
18:31 cait perhaps several fixed in one bug
18:31 * chris will look
18:32 cait where are you from lavamind?
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18:32 lavamind cait: Montreal, Quebec, Canada
18:32 cait ah
18:32 sekjal chris:  aaaah, there's a difference in C4/, but it's the OPAC Public dev....
18:33 cait that's far away :)
18:33 lavamind cait: yep 'the other side'
18:34 chris ohh, do you know eric begin?
18:34 chris cait: cant find the commit
18:34 lavamind if you want the scoop, I work for a public college and we just dropped Workflows for Koha in the curriculum
18:35 chris lavamind: maybe drop an email to, frederic (a fellow french speaker) is the translation manager
18:35 chris and will see it
18:35 lavamind chris: no, I dont think I know him
18:35 cait chris:[…]c351178f595316798
18:35 chris and then the answer will be archived for all to see
18:35 chris thanks cait
18:35 lavamind I'm completely new to the Koha community here
18:35 chris ahhh he works for inlibro
18:35 chris s/works/owns/
18:36 chris
18:37 chris and i work with someone who is from quebec city (lives in nz now) .. those the only 2 people from quebec i know :)
18:37 chris lavamind: and that is excellent news about using Koha in the curriculum
18:38 chris eric_b: you awake? :)
18:38 lavamind yes it is, I wish it would have been sooner, because I'm rushing to deploy 50 instances of Koha correctly
18:38 lavamind btw, should I use mod_perl &??
18:39 chris lavamind/cait: that is exactly the commit you want, and its in 3.2.3
18:39 chris lavamind: koha isnt totally mod_perl safe, having said that there are people using it, im fairly confident the opac can run under mod_perl with no major issues
18:40 chris brice sanchez runs under mod_perl and is happy with it
18:40 lavamind chris: I'll stick to cgi then, performance shouldn't be much of an issue, reliability is more important
18:40 chris *nod*
18:40 chris we are working on it, there are few circular refs and global variables to tidy up
18:41 chris on a different note
18:43 chris I am going to Access in Vancouver at the end of the year
18:44 lavamind chris: my field is more IT, so I doubt we'll meet there
18:44 chris there is going to be a preconf about FOSS in libraries, which you may or may not want to attend, the conference itself is always great (from all accounts) (I think im speaking during the conference proper too)
18:44 chris lavamind: so is mine
18:44 chris its an IT in libraries conference
18:44 lavamind I see, interesting
18:46 druthb I've heard awesome things about Access.  Wonder if I can get Brendan to send me...
18:46 chris im sure you can :)
18:47 * druthb would not turn down another opportunity to see chris, either.  :)
18:47 chris ok time for my bus, be back from on the bus, 3g permitting
18:49 lavamind if I want the web installer to propose a language other the English, do I simply need to run misc/translator/translate from the uncompressed install dir?
18:49 lavamind or should I really just install translations _after_ "make install" ?
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18:54 fredericd lavamind: install translation before runing the web installer
18:57 lavamind fredericd: ok, yeah, logical :)
18:58 chris Back
19:03 druthb sekjal++ # he's just so *danged* smart!
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19:06 cait lavamind: it will select the sample sql files from the language you run the web installer
19:07 lavamind cait: oh, even better!
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19:10 sekjal tools/ line 436
19:10 lavamind is it feasible to duplicate a koha site (ie., automatically ? or am I really stuck running perl Makefile.PL every time ?
19:11 lavamind right now I'm thinking that by adjusting koha-http, koha-conf, I could make it work?
19:11 cait sorry, i have no experience with setting up multiple instances on one server
19:11 chris lavamind: yes
19:12 cait ah, and chris is back :)
19:12 chris Use the koha-common debian packages
19:12 chris Then you run koha-create newsite
19:12 chris 50 times
19:13 chris :)
19:13 lavamind whoa, really
19:13 chris Or, you can just do a standard install
19:14 chris Make 50 dbs, 50 apache config, and 50 koha-conf.xml
19:14 chris Copying the first ones
19:14 chris And changing db names and passwords
19:15 chris then they all run from same codebase
19:15 lavamind chris: that's amazing, thank you so much
19:16 chris No worries
19:16 lavamind chris: I saw a page on the wiki about running multiple instance, but it was much more convoluted than that
19:17 chris Yeah sep conf and db
19:17 chris Is all you really need
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19:17 cait hi fredericd
19:17 fredericd hi cait
19:17 lavamind and simple to implement in Puppet ;)
19:18 chris The packages do things like cron jobs etc too
19:18 chris And zebra
19:18 chris You will need to get 50 zebra instances running, so you will want to change the paths for where they store files
19:18 chris You don't want them fighting each other
19:19 chris Yup
19:19 chris Puppet ftw
19:19 chris Id love to get a FAI build for koha too
19:19 lavamind I see the .deb for 3.2.3 hasn't been uploaded yet, though
19:20 chris Nope, will be done Monday nz time
19:20 chris Robin is on annual leave
19:20 chris Ok my stop bbiab
19:34 chris back
19:35 eric_b is now known as ebegin
19:35 ebegin hi guys
19:35 ebegin Hi lavamind.
19:38 lavamind hi ebegin
19:38 lavamind I just reinstalled using 3.2.3, and still no fr-FR prefs :(
19:42 sekjal got a fix for 5367;
19:43 cait lavamind: any error messages?
19:45 chris id love it if someone could take a look at 5657
19:45 lavamind cait:
19:45 chris and the patch submitted
19:45 chris and signoff
19:45 chris want to reward the new guy ;)
19:46 wizzyrea doh I don't have any authorities
19:46 cait lavamind: looks ok to me - no idea :( you have the po file for the pref?
19:47 cait bug 5657
19:47 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5657 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, januszop, ASSIGNED, biblio records update fails when updating multiple authorities linked with the same biblio
19:47 lavamind cait: in misc/translator/po : fr-FR-i-opac-t-prog-v-3002000.po   fr-FR-i-staff-t-prog-v-3002000.po  fr-FR-pref.po
19:47 chris someone with authorities :)
19:48 lavamind cait: opac and intranet translations are installed OK
19:48 cait lavamind: sorry, out of ideas now :(
19:49 cait you could add to the bug report that it's still not working
19:49 ebegin lavamind, make sure you have the files in your the installed version of Koha and not the installer directory...
19:50 ebegin you may have installed koha in /usr/share/koha/
19:50 lavamind ebegin: I'm working exclusively from the installed koha dir, not installer
19:51 lavamind ebegin: yes, I made sure I'm at the right place, like I said, the template translations are not missing
19:51 lavamind the .pref files are installed under fr-FR, but contain English strings
19:52 fredericd lavamind: is it a normal or devel install?
19:53 lavamind fredericd: "standard"
19:54 fredericd translated .pref files may have been copied in the wrong location
19:54 ebegin lavamind, did you run ./ install -i ...
19:54 fredericd try a locate opac.pref
19:54 fredericd ebegin: ./ doesn't handle .pref files translation
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19:56 chris heya Nate
19:56 Nate Hi Chris!!
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19:57 lac any particular reason why my marc records are not being added or updated to the search results?  i tried running misc/migration_tools/ but that didn't resolve the issue
19:58 chris and you are definitely running nozebra?
19:58 chris what version of koha?
19:58 lac chris: yes, 3.2
19:58 chris 3.2.what?
19:58 chris 3.2.0 ?
19:58 lac chris: yes
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19:59 chris id strongly suggest using zebra, and upgrading to 3.2.3
19:59 lac chris: ok
20:00 lavamind fredericd: seems to me like .pref files are copies okay :
20:00 chris nozebra isnt maintained any more, but before you do that, can you check the records exist in the db?
20:01 lac chris: yes, they exist in the db but their marc blob is outdated i guess, i'm attaching items to records and i'll get the error "item cannot be added" but then it gets added and i can't find the record by searching
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20:03 chris ahh but the marc hasnt been updated? (or the marcxml) ie there is a new item but the marc hasnt been changed?
20:03 lac chris: exactly
20:04 chris right, then running zebra wont help, do you have a test instance you can upgrade to 3.2.3?
20:05 lac chris: yes
20:06 chris id give that a whirl, and also check your apache error logs
20:07 lavamind fredericd, ebegin: I found the problem
20:08 ebegin lavamind, what was it?
20:09 lavamind based on the commit diff cait put here just before, there's a bug remaining in misc/translate
20:09 lavamind oops I mean
20:11 chris it might be just a pet peeve of mine, but sending a .doc file about an open source workshop makes me dismiss it
20:11 fredericd lavamind: could you be more specific?
20:12 lavamind fredericd: yes, here
20:12 lavamind sorry I was making the diff, heh
20:12 lavamind with this patch, prefs are translated!
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20:17 ebegin lavamind, from which college are you ^
20:18 fredericd lavamind: yes, you're correct. Thanks. I will send a patch
20:22 chris or lavamind could send one :)
20:22 chris everyone wants a line in the history file ;)
20:23 fredericd chris: you're correct :-)
20:23 fredericd This patch should be rattached to bug 5506
20:23 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5506 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, NEW, Translation Process Simplification
20:26 lavamind fredericd: I'll submit the patch to the tracker
20:27 cait :)
20:27 lavamind ebegin: College Maisonneuve
20:27 lavamind I work in the IT dept
20:27 ebegin I see
20:28 fredericd lavamind: to get your name on Koha history, as suggested by chris, you must send your patch with git
20:28 fredericd[…]Control_Using_Git
20:28 wizzyrea < 87 ;)
20:28 druthb more_committers++
20:28 chris[…]rest_of_the_world
20:29 lavamind uh, you want to give me write access to Git ??
20:29 fredericd no, you format a patch and you send it to
20:29 chris no
20:29 fredericd as explained on koha wiki
20:29 fredericd this way you will have your name on the patch
20:30 fredericd druthb: the more the merrier
20:30 * owen wonders, "'roaming' bittorrents?"
20:31 chris hehe yeah
20:34 owen Didn't there used to be game where you would try to combine two words to arrive at the Google result with the least number of hits?
20:34 owen The phrase "roaming bittorrents," for the moment, gets zero hits.
20:35 chris :)
20:36 wizzyrea owen: if there's not a game you just invented it
20:36 owen The sad thing is I think this was like ten years ago
20:39 chris cait: you about?
20:40 chris[…]late_toolkit_test
20:41 chris[…]ads/template_test
20:41 chris we think we have fixed the utf8 and xslt issue and also fixed some of the scoping issues with global variables, if you have time to test sometime that would be great
20:41 chris or anyone else for that matter
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20:53 lavamind fredericd: okay for the commit message : "Bug 5506 Fix installation of prefs translations" ?
20:53 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5506 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, NEW, Translation Process Simplification
20:54 cait here
20:54 fredericd lavamind: 'in standard install' because it works on devel
20:54 cait chris: issues with global variables?
20:55 lavamind fredericd: ok
20:55 chris cait: yeah theme/language etc template toolkit cares about scope, html::template doesnt
20:55 chris so some links used to be broken
20:55 chris i think they are fixed now
20:56 cait ah ok
20:56 fredericd lavamind: et merci, c'est du bon boulot !
20:56 cait I can try - but not before the weekend I think
20:57 * owen will try to make some time as well
20:58 chris thank you both
20:59 fredericd chris: is it on template_test branch?
20:59 chris thats the one
21:00 chris you can try the other one if you are brave (it runs the script to generate the templates)
21:00 chris but template_test has them pregenerated
21:00 fredericd you mean with TT templates already there?
21:00 fredericd (I'm reading koha wiki)
21:01 fredericd[…]late_toolkit_test
21:02 chris yep thats right
21:02 fredericd and what has to be tested exactly?
21:02 fredericd I can see a location on the opac where accented characters are not properly displayed
21:05 chris cool those are the things we are looking for
21:06 chris can you update the wiki page with that info, and a url so we can recreate
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21:07 chris wb nate
21:08 Nate Well Heeelllllooooo there
21:08 chris heh
21:11 lavamind fredericd: the patch is sent
21:11 lavamind commit id 0c48e2c1c43c8e1dfdbc18ed9debd1d2b5b6e905
21:12 cait hi Nate
21:12 Nate Hiya cait!
21:12 cait lavamind. have you subscribed to the list before sending?
21:13 * chris_n waves bye and heads home
21:13 chris cya chris_n
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21:17 lavamind cait: no, I haven't, I can't say I want to receive 50 emails a day about patches to Koha, for now anyway
21:17 lavamind from reading the wiki I understood that membership was optional
21:18 lavamind someone just needs to moderate the message I suppose
21:18 fredericd lavamind: send me your patch by email. I will sign-off it and resubmit it to the list.
21:18 fredericd you still will get the credit for the patch
21:18 cait lavamind: I only wondered why it didn't come through yet
21:20 lavamind fredericd: patch sent
21:20 fredericd get it
21:23 lavamind Perhaps this page should be adjusted :[…]aff_client#Koha_3.2
21:23 lavamind « Note: This will only work with a dev installation, not in a standard installation. To install additional languages in a standard installation you can still use the old script, but it will only work for translation of staff and opac, not for translation of system preferences.  Â» <== not anymore, it works now!
21:23 fredericd lavamind: yes, this is not true anymore
21:24 lavamind As of 3.2.4 ?
21:25 lavamind I suppose the patch will make it in the next minor release ?
21:25 fredericd lavamind: this problem is for 3.2 Release Manager
21:25 lavamind heheh
21:26 fredericd we have now a problem with 3.2 monthly version release
21:26 fredericd The release doesn't contains translated Koha templates
21:26 fredericd and Koha don't have an integrated way for generating templates from .po files
21:27 fredericd so, people are supposed to do it by hand, as you've done
21:27 lavamind it would indeed be nice for those to be integrated in the install itself
21:27 fredericd but average person installing Koha on 'standard' mode are not supposed to run script by hand
21:28 fredericd yes, the plan is to modify web installer to translate templates during the installation process
21:28 lavamind yeah, and even then, lots of docs still mention the "" script
21:29 lavamind it was difficult to understand why those two commands existed
21:29 fredericd This will be done for 3.4 not 3.2 (translation from .po file on the fly)
21:30 chris got 3 more months to do that :-)
21:30 wizzyrea boo no brooke
21:30 lavamind installing translations from the web installer would be awsome
21:31 fredericd chris: That's the reason why I'm curious to see new TT templates...
21:31 chris fredericd: chris hall has been working on rewriting the translator scripts to work with template toolkit, it will mean not having to retranslate everything
21:31 fredericd that sounds too good to be true...
21:31 chris so just need to get the webinstaller to call the right script
21:31 chris well .po files dont actually care where the string exists
21:31 chris so its not that hard to do
21:33 fredericd http://lists.koha-community.or[…]nuary/013704.html
21:34 fredericd lavamind: ^^ it's your patch
21:34 fredericd and one new commiter
21:35 wizzyrea lavamind is erupting patches all over us!
21:36 wizzyrea lavamind++
21:36 cait lavamind++
21:36 wizzyrea I had to. Sorry.
21:36 druthb lavamind++
21:37 druthb @quote add  wizzyrea: lavamind is erupting patches all over us!
21:37 munin druthb: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
21:37 druthb wizzyrea: lavamind is erupting patches all over us!
21:37 ibot i already had it that way, druthb.
21:37 druthb why isn't copy/paste working right...grrr.
21:37 druthb @quote add  wizzyrea: lavamind is erupting patches all over us!
21:37 munin druthb: The operation succeeded.  Quote #118 added.
21:37 ibot i already had it that way, druthb.
21:37 druthb adium --
21:38 gmcharlt what is lavamind?
21:38 ibot lavamind is erupting patches all over us!
21:38 wizzyrea rofl
21:38 druthb hehehe
21:38 cait lol
21:38 wizzyrea lavamind is also a koha committer
21:38 ibot okay, wizzyrea.
21:38 wizzyrea what is lavamind?
21:38 ibot lavamind is erupting patches all over us! or a koha committer
21:39 fredericd chris: for, the isn't any place in koha with TT where accented characters are properly displayed
21:41 cait fredericd: testing with english templates everything that comes from the db?
21:41 cait like branch names with accents?
21:41 fredericd yes
21:41 cait that's my old bug then
21:41 lavamind lol @ibot
21:41 chris yeah that works here i wonder what is differnet then
21:41 fredericd but even on staff search result page
21:42 cait chris: I thought we found a solution? you made me add a line to a file and it worked after that
21:42 chris yeah, and only the xslt didnt
21:42 chris and then we fixed that
21:42 chris will have to investigate more
21:42 cait so we have to choose? ;)
21:42 chris no
21:42 chris here both work
21:42 lavamind hey folks, thanks for your help, I think I'm ready to go in terms of deploying Koha
21:42 chris maybe chris missed pushing something
21:43 cait ok, bed time for me here :)
21:43 druthb g'night, cait!
21:43 cait a lot of work waiting tomorrow
21:43 fredericd I can see recent patches with utf8::decode...
21:44 cait chris: I wrote a big note and todo in my calendar to test :)
21:44 cait good night / day all :)
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21:47 jcamins Does anyone know how to use an Android device as a barcode reader hooked to a computer?
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21:48 sekjal jcamins:  the Barcode app allows for custom URLs, but I'm not sure it can do real-time scanning as an input device to another computer
21:49 sekjal that'd be wicked neat, though, so someone must have tried
21:49 * jcamins needs to demonstrate what a barcode scanner would work like.
21:50 sekjal ah... I'd send you my CueCat, if it was electronically transmittable
21:50 jcamins Thanks.
21:50 jcamins If I'd known I was going to need one, I'd have declawed a cue cat.
21:51 wizzyrea jcamins: does the computer in question have a webcam?
21:51 jcamins My Mac does.
21:51 wizzyrea ok, then you can use that as a barcode scanner, one sec
21:52 sekjal[…]e-scanner-pc.html
21:52 sekjal less immediately applicable, but on topic
21:53 jcamins Interesting.
21:54 * wizzyrea knows that she had a barcode reader for mac... wtf was it
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21:56 wizzyrea this is not what I was thinking of
21:56 sekjal anyway, got to get.  have a good evening, #koha!
21:56 wizzyrea
21:56 wizzyrea but might help you
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21:59 wizzyrea zbar is the oss cam->barcode scanning utility
21:59 wizzyrea
21:59 wizzyrea but no binary for mac :/
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22:00 jcamins :(
22:01 wizzyrea i'm still looking :D
22:01 wizzyrea Aha!
22:01 wizzyrea
22:01 jcamins
22:02 wizzyrea and that!
22:02 wizzyrea woot!
22:02 jcamins Thank you!
22:02 jcamins wizzyrea++
22:02 wizzyrea :) sure
22:02 wizzyrea ahshucks
22:03 wizzyrea and yours is universal
22:03 wizzyrea mine was ppc only (rosetta)
22:03 wizzyrea oh it uses zbar :) of course it does
22:04 darling[…]oogles-zxing.html
22:04 wizzyrea oh yea, darling's been working with zxing
22:04 darling ^ a bit raw but I like zxing on android
22:05 wizzyrea ye, that's the one that I'm using on my android
22:05 wizzyrea oh, for that you'll need the xcode tools, for bruji
22:06 jcamins Hm.
22:07 jcamins This is a bit trickier than I would have expected.
22:07 jcamins I have xcode. I'll try bruji now.
22:08 wizzyrea i know there were more >.<
22:09 * jcamins gets frustrated with EvoBarcode and moves on.
22:10 jcamins Clearly I'm missing something here.
22:11 wizzyrea yea, i'm not sure the last time I tried it worked :/
22:12 * jcamins gives up
22:16 wizzyrea meh that's maddening
22:16 * wizzyrea thinks perhaps she needs better light
22:17 wizzyrea aha
22:17 wizzyrea Does EvoBarcode work with the built-in iSight on iMac, MacBook and MacBook Pro computers?
22:17 wizzyrea No. The built-in iSight does not have focus control, and will not work reliably with EvoBarcode. For best results we recommend an external iSight or similar camera with focus control.
22:17 wizzyrea I don't have an external iSight. Can I use a different kind of camera?
22:17 wizzyrea Yes. EvoBarcode will recognize any QuickTime-compatible camera, however not all cameras provide a high enough quality image for barcode scanning. We recommend the external iSight because it provides a very high quality image, and good manual focus controls, but other users have had success with other IIDC cameras, DV camcorders, and USB cameras.
22:18 wizzyrea so, try your point and shoot, if it does webcam-type stuff
22:22 jcamins Blah.
22:22 jcamins Don't have a camera.
22:22 jcamins Maybe Nate does.
22:22 jcamins Or maybe I just give up on this, and tell the library "when you have a working barcode scanner, it'll be really cool."
22:23 Nate I have cameras
22:23 chris they cost next to nothing
22:23 Nate :)
22:23 chris and you can get one at pretty much any store like frys, or best buy
22:23 chris just grab a cheap usb one
22:23 wizzyrea cameras or barcode scanners?
22:24 chris barcode scanner
22:24 chris itll come in hand for lots of things
22:24 jcamins chris: wait, let me guess... it's nice and warm in NZ, isn't it? :P
22:24 wizzyrea I haven't ever seen one at our best buy
22:24 chris they had them last time i was there, try staples
22:25 chris even if you dont get one now, definitely get one, it saves tons of time testing things
22:25 jcamins Yeah, I need one at some point.
22:26 chris course your phone works with koha too
22:26 chris thats how we issued everyone at kohacon
22:28 jcamins chris: one step at a time. First we introduce computers, *then* we introduce smartphones. :)
22:29 wizzyrea but yea, def get one
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23:06 munin moodaepo: The current temperature in MSU Physics Dept, Mankato, Minnesota is -7.9�C (5:07 PM CST on January 25, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: -10.0�C. Windchill: -12.0�C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1014.8 hPa (Steady).
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23:36 wasabi ooh, chris' dad's got 3 books on the processing-bench at kapiti-lib
23:37 chris heh

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