IRC log for #koha, 2010-12-22

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00:13 munin New commit(s) kohagit32: Updating Version Number to <[…]637f4a5e4047e3e82>
00:14 hudsonbot Starting build 64 for job Koha_3.2.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #54 15 days ago)
00:21 chris_n 3.2.2 is out... come and get some :-)
00:21 chris_n
00:22 Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha - Koha 3.2.2 is now available. Next general meeting on 5 January 2011
00:22 chris_n 3.2.2?
00:22 ibot 3.2.2 is out... come and get some :-)
00:32 chris_n
00:33 richard chris_n ++
00:34 chris_n scheduled release date for 2.2.3 is 2010-01-22, fwiw
00:34 chris_n heh
00:34 chris_n 3.2.3 even
00:36 hudsonbot Project Koha_3.2.x build #64: STILL UNSTABLE in 22 min: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]ob/Koha_3.2.x/64/
00:36 hudsonbot Chris Nighswonger: Updating Version Number to
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00:57 chris :)
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02:05 chris[…]0122258750100.htm
02:08 eter hey chris i would like some ldap specific answers i was advised to send to the mailing list for joe but i'm not sure which mailing list, i assume there exist list for different applications
02:08 chris no
02:08 eter ok
02:08 chris koha-devel is probably the best list
02:09 chris[…]ha-mailing-lists/
02:09 chris !hudson build koha_master now
02:09 hudsonbot chris: job koha_master build scheduled now
02:09 hudsonbot Starting build 244 for job Koha_Master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #188 15 days ago)
02:17 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5531: adding some missing sysprefs <[…]41a1afd93c456dc8f> / Bug 5531: Updated Polish, Ukranian and Russian syspref files <[…]f117534d77bc4cbeb> / Bug 5531: further fix for fr-FR files <[…]mitdiff;h=c9db18b
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02:25 chris wb druthb
02:25 druthb thanks, chris.  :)
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02:33 hudsonbot Yippie, build fixed!
02:33 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #244: FIXED in 24 min: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]/Koha_Master/244/
02:33 pianohack Hey druthb
02:33 hudsonbot * Henri-Damien LAURENT: Based on Chris Nighswonger french unimarc_standard_sysprefs.sql
02:33 hudsonbot * Chris Cormack: Bug 5531: further fix for fr-FR files
02:33 hudsonbot * Chris Cormack: Bug 5531: Updated Polish, Ukranian and Russian syspref files
02:33 hudsonbot * Chris Cormack: Bug 5531: adding some missing sysprefs
02:33 chris yay!!!
02:33 druthb :)
02:34 chris took a while but now hudson will whine at me less
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02:34 chris and now my brain is fried, so time to run some useless statistics on 3.2.2
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02:58 chris[…]3-2-2-statistics/
03:04 druthb neat stuff, chris!
03:07 * druthb is off to bed.  g'night!
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03:56 chris hi bigbrovar what links are you talking about?
03:57 bigbrovar I meant the link to the latest release of koha the one here seems to point to the previous stable release 3.2.1
03:58 chris ah, i see
03:58 bigbrovar chris: when I tried downloaded it offered to relace the previous 3.2.1 file I downloaded the last time so when I checked the source of the link I found it liked to 3.2.1
03:58 chris will fix that
03:58 bigbrovar probably a typo in the naming or link
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03:59 Oak \o
03:59 chris yeah
04:00 chris hows that now?
04:00 bigbrovar let me check again
04:02 bigbrovar chris: seems to be ok now thanks
04:02 chris thanks for the report
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06:05 cait good morning #koha
06:14 cait chris_n: around?
06:17 cait chris_n++
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06:32 cait hi Amit
06:33 Amit heya cait
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07:22 prawesh hi
07:22 prawesh can anyone help me in importing from winisis ...
07:23 prawesh full description would be very nice
07:23 prawesh also, how can i count total number of records??
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07:36 magnus kia ora, #koha!
07:41 magnus 3.2.2 - woohoo!
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07:53 francharb hello #koha
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07:59 magnus hi francharb
08:02 cait hi magnus
08:02 magnus guten morgen cait!
08:03 cait :)
08:03 magnus ;-)
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08:07 hdl congrats chris_n
08:10 magnus yeah!
08:11 magnus chris_n++
08:11 magnus and hi hdl ;-)
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08:16 magnus hiya davi
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08:18 davi hi magnus
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11:05 * Oak likes Liferea
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11:15 * magnus waves at druthb
11:15 druthb :)  Hi, magnus!
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12:04 thd hdl: I have added your excellent improvement to the Solr RFC ICU qualification about Zebra to the Zebra disadvantages.  Now it is under both the advantages as a qualification and disadvantages as a disadvantage.
12:04 hdl hi thd.
12:04 hdl thanks
12:05 thd hdl: If you have a moment, I would appreciate knowing what "homemade" is applied to Zebra usage of libicu or libicu itself.
12:06 hdl thd: it is applied to zebra usage of libicu.
12:06 hdl libicu itself is widely used.
12:06 hdl but its support in yaz is limited to frequent things.
12:07 hdl I can't remember if I said that position and completeness would not be supported with icu enabled...
12:07 thd hdl: Are you not also stating that icu4j is more widely used and tested than libicu in the world in general?
12:07 hdl But it is the fact.
12:08 thd hdl: Yes I tested position and completeness and reported the error messages returned.
12:08 hdl thd: if you understood that... Then it is a big misunderstanding.
12:08 hdl No I would not claim that.
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12:08 hdl icu4j is afaik a wrapper for java of libicu.
12:09 thd hdl: :)
12:09 thd hdl: I misunstood greatly that part.
12:09 hdl So if icu4j is used... Then libicu is too ;)
12:10 hdl I have read rpn2solr.c and it looks supporting only basic RPN queries.
12:10 hdl rpn2solr (published by Indexdata)
12:11 thd hdl: Yes I report that as a deficiency or disadvantage.
12:12 thd hdl: That disadvantage also would make metasearching with Pazpar2 weak.
12:13 thd hdl: Pazpar2 uses CCL as the base query language which is a big limitation in itself.
12:13 hdl ccl is not normalized. And would be quite messy to setup.
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12:48 kf hi #koha
12:48 druthb hi, kf! :)
12:48 kf hi druthb :)
12:50 owen Congratulations to chris_n on the release of 3.2.2!
12:50 owen chris_n++
12:51 kf yep, chris_n++
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13:06 tcohen ++chris_n++
13:12 jcamins_a is now known as jcmains
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13:12 jcamins chris_n++
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13:35 owen Got patron search autocomplete working with jQueryUI:
13:36 thd hooray owen
13:41 kf owen++
13:41 kf someone with a dev install around?
13:44 * jcamins has one, why?
13:46 kf ah, perhaps strange question
13:46 kf how do you update?
13:46 kf I wonder about the files in koha-dev
13:47 jcamins Generally I don't, but you can use Makefile.PL --prev-install=/path/to/install/log
13:47 jcamins (or whatever that argument is)
13:47 kf so you do a git pull and run the makefile?
13:47 jcamins Right.
13:48 jcamins Then make, make install
13:48 kf I wonder if there is a way to find out easily if running makefile makes sense
13:48 magnus_a isn't it "make upgrade"?
13:48 jcamins Hm.
13:48 jcamins magnus_a: yes.
13:48 magnus_a is now known as magnus
13:48 jcamins Sorry.
13:49 * jcamins hasn't had any caffeine yet today
13:49 * jcamins is just about to make breakfast, actually.
13:49 magnus kf: do you mean find out if you need to run makefile + make, because files that affect koha-dev were changed?
13:49 kf right
13:49 magnus good question
13:50 kf because we have some customizations in there
13:50 magnus i guess you'd have to check what files have been changed...
13:50 magnus yeah, better be careful about those customizations...
13:52 kf someone suggested having symlinks from koha-dev
13:52 kf so you change the files in the git controlled folder, commit them and can merge when you update
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13:53 Brooke kia ora
13:53 kf hi Brooke
13:53 magnus kia ora Brooke!
13:53 Brooke :)
13:54 magnus kf: hm, that was a bit too advanced for me at the moment... :-)
13:56 jcamins kf: that's what I do.
13:57 francharb 0/ Brooke
13:57 francharb ;)
13:57 Brooke :)
13:58 Brooke francharb, is "highfive" in your vocabulary yet?
13:58 francharb obviously
13:58 * Brooke highfives francharb
13:59 francharb actually, we do use "highfive" in french but it souds like i 5
13:59 francharb ;)
13:59 * francharb highfives Brooke
13:59 * Brooke giggles.
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14:18 druthb Brooke++ # Brooke giggling is a wonderful sight!
14:18 * Brooke rolls her eyes.
14:19 kf jcamins, magnus: thx for your input :)
14:19 magnus kf: np
14:19 kf and druthb the anonymous someone ;)
14:19 druthb :P
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14:46 Oak \o
14:46 * thd sleeps
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14:47 druthb o/
14:48 * owen wishes he was as awake now as he was at 3AM
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14:52 * owen must have nodded off there for a moment
14:53 * druthb hands owen a strong cup of tea.
15:03 * owen attempts to tackle gmcharlt's autocomplete on patron attributes
15:04 kf autocomplete?
15:05 owen If you have defined custom patron attributes, you can filter on those attributes in circ/
15:05 owen An autocomplete pulls the possible values for those attributes
15:12 kf ah :)
15:24 owen gmcharlt around?
15:49 * owen figures it out
15:50 * owen pictures gmcharlt's super hearing picking up his plea from a faraway planet. He flies across the galaxy to answer the call, only to find the crisis averted.
15:51 * druthb wonders if owen thinks that gmcharlt is a superhero, or an alien.  ;-)
15:52 owen An alien superhero of course. Just like Superman.
15:52 druthb bingo!  (since I didn't use xor.)
15:52 kf no mailing list mails today?
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16:16 gmcharlt good morning
16:17 * gmcharlt makes note to avoid packages containing kryptonite ;-P
16:18 owen gmcharlt: You need your own origin story and your own version of kryptonite
16:19 gmcharlt owen: indeed.  so what's up with
16:19 owen I'm in the process of updating the autocomplete to use jQueryUI
16:19 gmcharlt cool
16:19 gmcharlt are you going to be doing this for all autocompletes?
16:20 owen I've already got the patron search autocomplete working
16:20 owen I don't know of any other instances
16:20 owen I was initially confused about how you were passing attrcode to, but now I get it
16:21 gmcharlt I checked, looks like those are the only two
16:43 * owen looks around for a wall to bang his head against
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16:59 owen A few knocks seems to have helped.
17:02 tcohen hi, the importa table stores z3950 retreived records, is it safe to clean it up?
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17:03 tcohen i meant import_records, too sensitive touchpad
17:08 gmcharlt tcohen: yes. it also stores batches of import records, so if you have batches that you want to revert in the future, clearing the table would make that impossible
17:08 gmcharlt that may not be a problem for you, of course
17:09 tcohen gmcharlt: exactly, thanks!
17:09 tcohen I didn't find in the wiki a section for "maintenance tasks"
17:09 tcohen it could be helpful for many
17:10 gmcharlt tcohen: indeed; open an enhancement bug
17:13 tcohen gmcharlt: ok, done
17:14 tcohen i've recently written on the wiki a procedure for installing multiple koha instances
17:14 tcohen i hope some1 corrects it :-D
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17:25 kf bye all! :)
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18:19 cait hi #koha
18:19 jwagner Hi cait
18:20 druthb o/   <--to cait
18:20 cait hi jwagner and druthb
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19:17 chris Morning
19:17 cait morning chris :)
19:17 chris help_demanders--
19:18 chris cait: did you see the stats, something to show your bosses
19:19 chris Bsz-bw has a quite big role in 3.2.2
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19:29 cait chris: :)
19:44 chris Ok off to drs
19:44 chris Bbl
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20:37 owen Hi NCARLibra
20:37 NCARLibra Hi Owen
20:37 NCARLibra Michael here
20:38 NCARLibra I've got a question for ya...
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20:38 NCARLibra Has anyone you know of been using link-resolvers (such as Exlibris' SFX) with Koha?
20:40 owen I think jwagner has worked on that?
20:40 NCARLibra How might I contact jwagner?
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20:41 NCARLibra Jane...New Zealand? which library?
20:41 owen I was hoping she would chime in. She's here.
20:41 owen Jane Wagner of PTFS
20:42 NCARLibra ah, i see
20:42 owen (that is to say, she's logged in to #koha)
20:43 owen NCARLibra: Are you on the Koha mailing list? That would be a good place to ask next
20:46 NCARLibra I thought I was, but I must not be...haven't been getting any emails from that list.
20:47 NCARLibra how do i subscribe?
20:47 cait mailinglists?
20:47 owen[…]ha-mailing-lists/
20:47 cait owen: you are not ibot :)
20:47 owen mailing lists?
20:47 ibot mailing lists are found at[…]ha-mailing-lists/
20:47 cait ibot: mailing lists?
20:47 ibot mailing lists are found at[…]ha-mailing-lists/
20:47 cait ah :)
20:48 druthb ibot: owen?
20:48 ibot bugger all, i dunno, druthb
20:48 druthb :-O
20:48 owen enigma...
20:49 druthb ibot:  owen is a mystery, wrapped in an enigma, covered in awesome brilliance.
20:49 ibot OK, druthb.
20:50 druthb :)
20:50 owen :P
20:51 druthb :D
20:52 cait :)
20:53 gmcharlt owen++
20:58 owen Time to leave on a high note!
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21:02 * druthb waves to gmcharlt
21:03 cait hi gmcharlt
21:03 gmcharlt hi cait, druthb
21:05 druthb :)
21:07 cait :)
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21:28 ebegin How are you using (or should be use) Materials specified (bound volume or other part) - 952$3 in an item?
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21:36 chris back
21:38 cait wb chris
21:38 cait ebegin: not sure, we don't use it at the moment
21:43 cait fudge++
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22:27 cait chris: I rebased 5422 - now I see you have pulled the branch for qa
22:27 chris 5422?
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22:27 cait bug 5422
22:27 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5422 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED, Separate state field for patron's adresses
22:28 chris ah yeah
22:28 chris im too speedy :)
22:28 cait there were only small issues with kohaversion, updatedatabase and opac/
22:28 cait no, you are ok
22:28 cait people are too slow testing :)
22:29 cait I forgot you had already pulled it - that's all
22:29 cait I asked magnus to test and wanted to check patches still apply
22:29 chris ah right
22:29 chris well if he tests that branch
22:30 chris when i merge it, ill deal with the conflicts (anything with kohaversion etc will pretty much always conflict)
22:30 cait yep
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23:09 chris heya pianohack
23:09 ibot i guess pianohack is pianohacker
23:09 pianohack Hi guys. Could I ask a bug-reporting question (especially to jcamins if he's around)?
23:10 chris im not sure he is, but he'll read back
23:10 pianohack Cool
23:11 pianohack On bugs like bug 5520, where I had an idea, reported it as a bug, then developed the patch in about the same hour, am I the one that marks it fixed, or is jcamins?
23:11 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5520 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, pianohacker, REOPENED, No .packages file for Ubuntu Maverick
23:11 chris usually the person who reported, marks it resolved
23:11 pianohack Okay
23:11 chris even if thats the same person who fixed it :)
23:12 chris then the RM, will mark it closed upon release
23:12 chris (thats the theory anywya :-))
23:12 chris did you see you made it into the 3.2.2 stats?
23:13 pianohack So, if I may ask, what was the reasoning behind replacing "have an idea for something that might be useful, send in a patch" with "have an idea, report a bug, create a patch, send in the patch, attach the bug to bugzilla, wait for the patch to be pushed, mark your own idea as implemented the way you wanted it to be"?
23:13 chris with 128 changed lines :)
23:13 pianohack (3.2.2 stats is cool :)
23:13 chris having a bug number for 1
23:13 chris so that when someone looks at the commit in the future they can find more info about it
23:14 chris 2, using hte statuses
23:14 chris we mark the bug patch-sent, needs signoff
23:14 chris that gets it into
23:14 pianohack Ah, okay, to keep the QA managers, RM, etc in touch
23:14 chris into the top link there
23:15 pianohack That does make sense
23:15 chris so i can see, how many are waiting for qa, how many for me, (signed off) and how many for testers (pushed)
23:15 pianohack And I was going to ask, "why not just encourage people to write more descriptive commit messages?" but, well, nengard tried that at least twice with no effect
23:15 chris yeah its just so patches dont get lost
23:16 chris if its not attached to a bug, and i miss seeing it in the mail or whatever, or see it and think ill do that later
23:16 chris it could be months
23:16 chris until i find it again
23:16 pianohack Right
23:16 chris but if its attached to a bug and in a status ill see it each day when i check
23:17 pianohack I appreciate the QA process greatly, so I'm glad to do this :)
23:17 chris cool thanks
23:17 chris theres a ton of patches needing signoff if you ever get bored :)
23:17 chris 172 at last count
23:18 pianohack Some of those are also probably just old bugs that didn't get taken care of, no?
23:18 pianohack (I'm technically supposed to be doing bug wrangling, also)
23:18 chris you'd have to hope so :)
23:19 chris off topic, you still in miami?
23:19 pianohack Yes, actually
23:19 pianohack Went to the beach today
23:19 pianohack Got nicely broiled
23:19 pianohack Enjoying the crazy cuban family
23:19 pianohack How's your christmas holiday looking?
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23:21 chris much the same, beaches and broiling .. minus the cubans :)
23:21 pianohack Hehe
23:21 pianohack Are you still in Wellington?
23:22 chris yup
23:22 chris @wunder wellington nz
23:22 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 20.0�C (12:00 PM NZDT on December 23, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
23:22 chris pretty nice day today
23:23 pianohack That actually is pretty nice
23:23 pianohack How's the pacific this time of year? Atlantic was a bit chilly
23:23 chris its pretty cold in wellington
23:23 cait @wunder Konstanz
23:23 munin cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 1.2�C (12:24 AM CET on December 23, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 97%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Windchill: 1.0�C. Pressure: 29.54 in 1000.2 hPa (Rising).
23:23 chris nothing between us and antartica, so the water never really warms up
23:23 cait that is pretty cold...;)
23:24 pianohack @wunder Miami, FL
23:24 chris if you go up the coast a bit its not bad
23:24 munin pianohack: The current temperature in DV Floral Group, Miami, Florida is 20.2�C (6:27 PM EST on December 22, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017.2 hPa (Steady).
23:24 pianohack cool
23:24 pianohack We actually have almost the same weather, but it's summer there :)
23:24 chris yeah, we get up round 24-28 in january
23:25 chris but thats about as hot as it gets here
23:25 pianohack Imagine antarctica probably has something to do with that too
23:26 chris altho we never get to 0 in winter (maybe with windchill we do)
23:26 chris so its just got a much lower variation
23:26 pianohack Heh, more than I can say of golden, CO
23:26 chris hehe
23:26 pianohack Seaside towns are nice that way, not a crazy amount of variation
23:27 pianohack Miami just varies from 60-100 degF, though
23:27 pianohack Not optimal
23:27 chris unless you are 70
23:27 pianohack 70 degF is perfect miami weather
23:27 chris and then its all 'its too darn cold' :)
23:27 pianohack Oh
23:27 pianohack Age
23:27 pianohack Yes, then it is :)
23:29 pianohack On a koha-related topic, should I mark a rel_3_2 bug RESOLVED if its been fixed in HEAD for a while?
23:29 pianohack Lots of rel_3_2 bugs that seem to be from before the release
23:29 chris i think thats a valid approach
23:30 pianohack cool
23:30 cait getting late here - good night all :)
23:30 pianohack Off to wrangle some bugs
23:30 pianohack 'gnite, cait
23:30 cait pianohack++
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