IRC log for #koha, 2010-11-25

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00:05 brendan_l @wunder ukiah, ca
00:05 munin brendan_l: The current temperature in westside ukiah, Ukiah, California is 9.2�C (4:05 PM PST on November 24, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 21%. Dew Point: -12.0�C. Windchill: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.20 in 988.7 hPa (Steady).
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00:34 slef well, the ashes are off to a good start(!) time to sleep instead I think
00:35 chris hehe
00:35 chris 0/1
00:35 chris coming back tho
00:35 chris 22/1 now
00:35 richard who's batting?
00:38 chris engarland
00:39 richard all good then
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00:57 chris wow magnus just put up tons of photos
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01:23 jcamins What can one do with slightly toasted ricotta?
01:23 chris lasagne?
01:24 chris its gonna get baked anyway, whats a bit of toasting on top
01:24 jcamins Good idea.
01:24 jcamins This saag isn't going to work.
01:25 jcamins (the paneer all turned to mush when I took it out of the freezer)
01:25 chris ahh bummer
01:34 jcamins So in case anyone here was wondering how to safely freeze paneer, the answer is definitely sautee *before* freezing.
01:35 chris :)
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02:09 * druthb waves, and heads out.
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03:26 jcamins Is there a separate list for doc patches now?
03:27 chris not sure
03:27 ibot not sure are you using git?
03:27 jcamins !!
03:27 jcamins ibot understands questions like that?
03:27 ibot no idea, jcamins
03:27 chris seems to
03:28 jcamins ibot++
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03:36 Amit heya chris
03:37 chris hi Amit
03:37 jcamins Why does git think that "git send-email" isn't a command?
03:37 chris cos you dont have git-email installed
03:37 chris apt-get install git-email
03:38 jcamins chris++ # I knew chris would be able to tell me how to fix everything
03:40 jcamins Uh-oh.
03:40 jcamins It wants to install off the CD.
03:40 chris you are probably gonna want to edit /etc/apt/sources.list
03:40 chris in that case
03:40 chris theres probably some gui for it
03:40 chris wizzyrea_ might know
03:41 jcamins There we go.
03:41 jcamins I wonder why it did that. I didn't install off the CD.
03:46 jcamins How do I change the e-mail address of a commit?
03:48 jcamins Ah. git commit --amend --author
03:49 chris :)
03:50 jcamins @later tell nengard I sent you a patch for the documentation. I noticed I left a few ANS-specific fields in the cataloging cheat sheet.
03:50 munin jcamins: The operation succeeded.
03:51 jcamins And now that I've done that, I'm going to go pretend that I'm not spending my entire holiday weekend working. ;)
03:51 jcamins Good night (again), #koha
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03:56 brendan_l night jcamins
03:58 brendan_l heya amit
03:58 Amit heya brendan_l
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05:59 cait hi #koha
06:00 brendan_l hey cait
06:00 cait hi brendan :)
06:04 chris Why are you awake still brendan ? :)
06:05 chris *sigh* now someone has to tell lori that scls doesn't and isn't going to use koha
06:05 * chris might just ignore it
06:05 brendan_l heya chris
06:06 brendan_l ah - now I'm getting what you're were saying about scls
06:07 cait hi chris
06:07 chris Worth adding the wiki I reckon might just ignore scls
06:07 * cait goes to check the mailing lists
06:08 chris Hi cait
06:08 cait thx for pushing my patch
06:08 cait :)
06:08 cait owen made some a patch for my state branch, going to apply it later :)
06:13 brendan_l owen++
06:14 brendan_l @karma owen
06:14 munin brendan_l: Karma for "owen" has been increased 186 times and decreased 5 times for a total karma of 181.
06:14 brendan_l wow owen kicks ass
06:14 brendan_l @karma cait
06:14 munin brendan_l: Karma for "cait" has been increased 42 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 42.
06:14 brendan_l @karma brendan
06:14 munin brendan_l: Karma for "brendan" has been increased 20 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 20.
06:14 brendan_l heh :)
06:14 brendan_l I like the nice round number that I have
06:19 cait did you have to say that?
06:22 cait I was already typing brendan+... :)
06:26 brendan_l heh :)
06:26 brendan_l cait++ just cuase
06:26 brendan_l whoops cause
06:27 chris[…]yer&v=u5C-YHSy3Fw
06:28 cait not allowed to see it...
06:30 chris Really how dumb
06:31 chris Sorry bout that
06:31 cait yeah, "you are not allowed to see this video in your country"
06:31 cait what is it about?
06:34 chris Just a song I like
06:34 cait oh
06:37 brendan_l wow that's sorry to read on an free software irc channel -  "you are not allowed to see this video in your country"
06:39 chris Yeah lame
06:44 chris I hate the record companies
06:45 brendan_l free software++
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07:03 chris
07:03 chris That's my weekend
07:04 cait imp will be jealous
07:04 cait showed me the website some time ago :)
07:05 chris :)
07:15 cait christmas market opens this weekend and a friend is visiting for the weekend
07:15 cait so no hacking - but still some fun ;)
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07:28 cait ok, time for work - bbl
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08:20 kf hi #koha
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08:25 ivanc hallo #koha
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10:03 magnus kia ora #koha
10:13 magnus man i hate it when the F-16 jetfighters suddenly fly low over our roof - and scares the bejeezus out of the dogs!
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10:20 slef Anyone else get LBA's koha list email three times or have I got a mailserver problem?
10:24 magnus slef: "Koha custom search engine"? i only see it once
10:25 magnus but GMail might be doing some tricks in the background
10:41 slef magnus: session timeout - but I see it's only once in the archive (although misthreaded)
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10:51 kf hi slef and magnus
11:08 magnus hi kf
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13:13 magnus_a is now known as magnus
13:23 slef I've an unusual bug report here, asking for the opac and intranet catalogue search results displays to be made more consistent.  Seems like this should be a known bug if it's general - anyone know it, or could the librarian have messed up some setting?
13:32 magnus "more consistent" in look & feel or in the hits that are displayed?
13:32 slef in how the hits are displayed: which tags/subtags
13:33 kf slef: there is no xslt for results in intranet
13:33 kf if they use that, it will vary a lot
13:33 kf and it's known that some things are missing, subfields from 245 - but you can use the keyword-to-marc-mapping under administration to make them show
13:33 slef I think they are non-xslt, but I will check that.
13:34 slef Their particular example was Series Title, subfields from 400.
13:34 kf not sure 400 is shown
13:34 slef I'll look at keyword-to-marc-mapping.  Where is it known?
13:34 kf it's new in 3.2
13:34 kf under administration
13:34 slef Ah, that won't work for this one yet.
13:34 kf you can add fields, use keyword subtitle
13:35 slef 3.0+customisations
13:35 kf ah ok
13:35 slef thanks both... bbi60ish
13:36 kf slef: 400 seems a bit strange to me - not 490?
13:37 slef actually, I've another 5mins
13:37 slef kf: the whole bug report smells bad to me, so it wouldn't surprise me.
13:38 slef look, 400 is historical :-/ but still not title
13:38 slef very odd
13:38 slef ok, I'll look at xslt and query their tag number :)
13:38 kf :)
13:41 slef thanks 1000
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13:52 kf hi druthb :)
13:58 druthb :)  hi, kf!
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14:20 magnus that was quick... ;-)
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14:43 kmkale hi all
14:48 magnus hiya laurence, tcohn, kmkale & yhager
14:50 kmkale hey magnus
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15:25 kf @later tell owen I have added your patch to my branch - thx again :)
15:25 munin kf: The operation succeeded.
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15:35 slef @wunder Weston-super-Mare SOMERSET
15:35 munin slef: The current temperature in Weston-Super-Mare, United Kingdom is 3.4�C (3:35 PM GMT on November 25, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: -2.0�C. Windchill: 0.0�C. Pressure: 29.81 in 1009.4 hPa (Rising).
15:38 magnus @wunder bodo, norway
15:38 munin magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -5.0�C (4:20 PM CET on November 25, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: -15.0�C. Windchill: -14.0�C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
15:38 slef magnus: show-off.
15:38 magnus hehe
15:39 slef we're OK, but other places are still freezing today and the UK is not configured for this
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15:41 aarkerio hi! somebody knows a doc about how capture scientific magazines in Koha?
15:43 aarkerio I mean, there is something like ISBN for magazines?
15:45 slef ISSN
15:45 slef @marc 022
15:45 munin slef: The ISSN, a unique identification number assigned to a continuing resource. (Repeatable) [a,y,z,2,6,8]
15:46 slef aarkerio: look in the manuals and so on for "serials".  There is often much discussion on the lists / in the forums about them.
15:46 aarkerio thx!
15:47 daniel good morning, folks
15:47 daniel @wunder 94114
15:47 munin daniel: The current temperature in Castro/San Francisco, San Francisco, California is 3.7�C (7:00 AM PST on November 25, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 0.0�C. Windchill: 4.0�C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1018.8 hPa (Rising).
15:47 slef good afternoon daniel
15:47 daniel magnus: great bird photos!
15:47 slef fnarr
15:48 magnus hiya daniel! and thanks!
15:48 daniel is one of those a kiwi?
15:48 magnus nope, they only come out at night
15:49 daniel that's what i thought, but this one confused me:
15:49 daniel[…]2157625465384630/
15:49 magnus i'm gonna add all the bird names one of these days...
15:50 magnus that's a weka - also flightless
15:50 daniel cool, thanks
15:51 daniel omg, i just saw you posted 413 more under new zealand
15:52 daniel now i know what i'm going to do while eating breakfast. bbl
15:52 magnus hehe
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16:13 cait hi #koha
16:14 magnus good afternoon cait
16:14 aarkerio hola!
16:14 cait hi magnus, hi aarkerio
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17:52 slef @marc leader
17:52 munin slef: unknown tag leader
17:52 slef @marc ldr
17:52 munin slef: unknown tag ldr
17:52 slef @marc 001
17:52 munin slef: The control number assigned by the organization creating, using, or distributing the record. The MARC code for the organization is contained in field 003 (Control Number Identifier). []
17:52 slef leader is[…]hic/bdleader.html
17:52 slef leader/
17:52 slef leader?
17:52 ibot leader is[…]hic/bdleader.html
17:57 chris ibot: leader is also
17:57 ibot okay, chris.
17:58 chris leader?
17:58 ibot leader is, like,[…]hic/bdleader.html or
17:58 chris marc is the standard that isn't
17:58 chris marc?
17:58 ibot marc is the standard that isn't
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18:12 slef Should C4::Biblio::GetXmlBiblio regenerate from the marc if the marcxml field is incomplete?
18:13 slef (I know it doesn't at the moment, but I just made it do so to fix a problem at one library and I could submit it.)
18:14 slef I'm wondering if there's a nasty drawback to doing that, though.
18:18 chris Well you might want to report it did that, there is a chance there might have been data in the xml that wasn't in thr marc
18:19 chris Unlikely but we should provide feedback that we did that I guess
18:22 chris @wunder wellington nz
18:22 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0�C (7:00 AM NZDT on November 26, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Rising).
18:22 slef If the marcxml field is incomplete, we can't read it except by hand.
18:22 chris Yep
18:23 chris But we'd want to report that and fix
18:23 chris And then find out how the xml became incomplete
18:24 chris Else we risk masking a problem would be my fear
18:24 chris Cloudy my butt, its a gorgeous morning
18:26 chris So in short I think its better than not doing it slef
18:27 chris But we should somehow alert the user and tell them to ask their it to check the logs
18:27 chris Or something
18:36 slef chris: it'll be cloudy in 20 minutes.
18:36 slef I know how the xml became incomplete. One source keeps sending records which claim to be MARC-8 but are actually Latin-1.
18:37 slef Trouble is, once the record has been imported into Koha, Koha barfs on most operations.
18:37 chris Yup
18:38 chris Recreate from the marc, and warn it did so seems fine to me
18:38 chris Better than asplode
18:49 slef It'll still explode because the MARC binary is wrong too, but at least we should be able to delete it and recatalogue.
18:49 slef Warn how? A note in the new MARC to look in the logs, and dump the old one to the error_log in a warn?
18:50 chris something like that
18:53 slef ok, I've a bit more work to do then :-/
18:53 slef time to get dinner now, though
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19:28 richard hi
19:28 chris hiya richard
19:28 richard hey chris
20:25 cait koha historian at work?
20:25 cait :)
20:26 chris :)
20:26 chris catching up
20:29 chris now to update the about page
20:29 cait updating the committers list?
20:30 chris yeah
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21:12 magnus wow, it's quiet here tonight... ;-)
21:12 chris all the usians on holiday
21:12 cait yeah
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21:14 magnus so thanksgiving is not a big thing in nz either? it seemed that guy fawkes was...
21:15 chris thanksgiving is purely an american thing
21:16 magnus yeah, guess it is. i wish they would keep halloween to themselves too... ;-)
21:17 cait magnus: you don't like pumkins and cute costumed kidsẞ
21:17 cait aw
21:18 magnus cait: i'm just not too fond of kids being taught they can get sweets from adults by threatening them...
21:18 cait lol
21:21 cait magnus: hey, tomorrow is pizza friday!
21:21 magnus yes it is!
21:22 magnus and my mother is coming to visit, so i get to make 3 pizzas!
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21:22 cait :)
21:22 * cait thinks that it's really time to invent beamers
21:23 magnus as in "beam me up, scotty"?
21:24 magnus i think it's also slang for BMW ;-)
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21:29 cait yep, like in enterprise
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21:38 magnus good night, folks!
21:39 cait goo dnight magnus :)
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21:44 cait looking at the borrowers table structure now - bug 3777
21:44 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3777 trivial, P5, ---, katrin.fischer, NEW, Field Sizes Inconsistent
21:44 chris cool
21:46 cait we have a lot of different data types there
21:48 cait I will sort the similar fields together and make a suggestion
21:49 chris good idea
21:49 cait mediumtext is bigger than text, right? so it's probably not safe to change mediumtext to text?
21:49 chris text is pretty damn huge
21:51 chris ie 64k
21:51 cait so ok to change some mediumtexts to text?
21:52 chris yes
21:52 cait just asking - you are the one to accept the patch :)
21:52 cait not sure I got it right - but I think text does not take as much resources as mediumtext
21:52 chris whats one that is mediumtext now?
21:52 cait because it's as big as its content?
21:52 cait an example:
21:52 cait 201   `title` mediumtext,
21:52 cait 236   `contacttitle` text,
21:52 chris yeah thats retarded
21:53 chris 4gig for a title
21:53 chris if someone has a title that long, they need a new job
21:53 chris sorry 16MB
21:54 cait still veeery big
21:54 chris yes
21:54 chris 16MB of text is huge!
21:55 cait more fun:
21:55 cait 199   `surname` mediumtext NOT NULL,
21:55 cait 251   `altcontactsurname` varchar(255) default NULL,
21:55 cait 250   `altcontactfirstname` varchar(255) default NULL,
21:55 cait 200   `firstname` text,
21:55 chris yeah, all of those could be varchar imho
21:55 chris 255 is a lot of characters for a surname :)
21:55 chris but certainly no need to be mediumtext
21:56 richard text?
21:56 ibot text is probably pretty damn huge
21:56 richard gotta love ibot
21:56 chris :)
21:58 cait ok, will do my sorting and than someone can help me choose the right data types perhaps?
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22:00 cait chris?
22:00 ibot it has been said that chris is craving coffee
22:00 cait ibot botsnack cookie
22:00 ibot thanks cait :)
22:02 chris yeah, thatd be fine
22:04 pastebot "cait" at pasted "borrowers table" (56 lines) at
22:06 cait we have three surname , firstname combinations - and varchar(255), mediumtext and text for them
22:07 chris heh
22:08 cait this is not the only case
22:08 cait a lot of fields default to null - others not
22:11 * cait is confused
22:15 hilongo hello there!
22:16 hilongo Hope you're all ok :)
22:17 hilongo Does anyone know if there is work being done about "fines in days" instead of money?
22:18 hilongo I know there is some work storing a date in the members table, in the 'debarred' field
22:19 hilongo But we need something more than that .. and I was about to start developing (or try to) the functionality we need
22:19 cait hilongo: better ask paul or hdl about it - but I think there was some work done
22:20 cait there is an rfc:[…]days_debarred_RFC
22:22 chris its in 3.2
22:22 chris If your library 'fines' patrons by suspending their account you can enter the number of days their fine should be suspended in the 'Suspension in Days' field
22:22 cait we don't have the sys pref
22:22 chris dont need it
22:23 hilongo yes ... I tried that ... and works fine
22:23 hilongo but we need some more functionality ... like the posibility of track how many times a patron was suspended ...
22:24 hilongo or the interface to reduce the 'sentence'  :)
22:25 chris
22:25 hilongo same things you can do with money fines ...
22:26 hilongo yeah ... I read that page ... I was about to start the work... but asked around first... so maybe something was already cooking  ;)
22:27 chris make sure you start the rfc and announce it before you start any work
22:27 chris then if people are working on it, they will let you know
22:27 hilongo point taken
22:28 * hilongo starts writing a pretty and clear RFC ...
22:29 hilongo ok guys .. thanks a lot ...  have a nice weekend!
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22:29 cait you too hilongo
22:34 chris
22:34 chris stats from ibot
22:35 cait seems I talk to much
22:36 chris hehe, only in the last 4 days
22:36 cait the random quote is funny
22:37 ebegin @wunder montreal, canada
22:37 munin ebegin: The current temperature in Montreal, Quebec is -4.0�C (5:00 PM EST on November 25, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: -9.0�C. Windchill: -8.0�C. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018 hPa (Falling).
22:39 cait kf is the most referenced nick: so at least I am not talking to myself :)
22:41 cait the big numbers are cool too
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22:50 * druthb checks the Ashes results from Day 1.
22:51 chris australia firmly in charge at the moment
22:51 cait Ashes results?
22:51 chris[…]match/428749.html
22:52 cait cricket?
22:52 chris yup
22:53 chris[…]oreboard-Cam.html
22:54 * druthb listens to the howls of derisive laughter coming from the Australians.
22:56 druthb chris:  looks like Cook and Pieterson did okay, but the bottom half of their lineup was teh suck.
22:56 chris yup
22:57 * cait is confused again
22:57 chris bell played ok
22:57 * druthb had a long, long lesson in cricket last night from chris.
22:57 chris right im gonna go eat something bbiab
22:58 cait going to sleep
22:58 cait druthb: you have to take over for us ;)
22:58 druthb okie
22:59 * cait leaves you a bowl of cookies
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