Time Nick Message 00:05 brendan_l @wunder ukiah, ca 00:05 munin brendan_l: The current temperature in westside ukiah, Ukiah, California is 9.2�C (4:05 PM PST on November 24, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 21%. Dew Point: -12.0�C. Windchill: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.20 in 988.7 hPa (Steady). 00:34 slef well, the ashes are off to a good start(!) time to sleep instead I think 00:35 chris hehe 00:35 chris 0/1 00:35 chris coming back tho 00:35 chris 22/1 now 00:35 richard who's batting? 00:38 chris engarland 00:39 richard all good then 00:57 chris wow magnus just put up tons of photos 01:23 jcamins What can one do with slightly toasted ricotta? 01:23 chris lasagne? 01:24 chris its gonna get baked anyway, whats a bit of toasting on top 01:24 jcamins Good idea. 01:24 jcamins This saag isn't going to work. 01:25 jcamins (the paneer all turned to mush when I took it out of the freezer) 01:25 chris ahh bummer 01:34 jcamins So in case anyone here was wondering how to safely freeze paneer, the answer is definitely sautee *before* freezing. 01:35 chris :) 02:09 * druthb waves, and heads out. 03:26 jcamins Is there a separate list for doc patches now? 03:27 chris not sure 03:27 ibot not sure are you using git? 03:27 jcamins !! 03:27 jcamins ibot understands questions like that? 03:27 ibot no idea, jcamins 03:27 chris seems to 03:28 jcamins ibot++ 03:36 Amit heya chris 03:37 chris hi Amit 03:37 jcamins Why does git think that "git send-email" isn't a command? 03:37 chris cos you dont have git-email installed 03:37 chris apt-get install git-email 03:38 jcamins chris++ # I knew chris would be able to tell me how to fix everything 03:40 jcamins Uh-oh. 03:40 jcamins It wants to install off the CD. 03:40 chris you are probably gonna want to edit /etc/apt/sources.list 03:40 chris in that case 03:40 chris theres probably some gui for it 03:40 chris wizzyrea_ might know 03:41 jcamins There we go. 03:41 jcamins I wonder why it did that. I didn't install off the CD. 03:46 jcamins How do I change the e-mail address of a commit? 03:48 jcamins Ah. git commit --amend --author 03:49 chris :) 03:50 jcamins @later tell nengard I sent you a patch for the documentation. I noticed I left a few ANS-specific fields in the cataloging cheat sheet. 03:50 munin jcamins: The operation succeeded. 03:51 jcamins And now that I've done that, I'm going to go pretend that I'm not spending my entire holiday weekend working. ;) 03:51 jcamins Good night (again), #koha 03:56 brendan_l night jcamins 03:58 brendan_l heya amit 03:58 Amit heya brendan_l 05:59 cait hi #koha 06:00 brendan_l hey cait 06:00 cait hi brendan :) 06:04 chris Why are you awake still brendan ? :) 06:05 chris *sigh* now someone has to tell lori that scls doesn't and isn't going to use koha 06:05 * chris might just ignore it 06:05 brendan_l heya chris 06:06 brendan_l ah - now I'm getting what you're were saying about scls 06:07 cait hi chris 06:07 chris Worth adding the wiki I reckon might just ignore scls 06:07 * cait goes to check the mailing lists 06:08 chris Hi cait 06:08 cait thx for pushing my patch 06:08 cait :) 06:08 cait owen made some a patch for my state branch, going to apply it later :) 06:13 brendan_l owen++ 06:14 brendan_l @karma owen 06:14 munin brendan_l: Karma for "owen" has been increased 186 times and decreased 5 times for a total karma of 181. 06:14 brendan_l wow owen kicks ass 06:14 brendan_l @karma cait 06:14 munin brendan_l: Karma for "cait" has been increased 42 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 42. 06:14 brendan_l @karma brendan 06:14 munin brendan_l: Karma for "brendan" has been increased 20 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 20. 06:14 brendan_l heh :) 06:14 brendan_l I like the nice round number that I have 06:19 cait did you have to say that? 06:22 cait I was already typing brendan+... :) 06:26 brendan_l heh :) 06:26 brendan_l cait++ just cuase 06:26 brendan_l whoops cause 06:27 chris http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtube_gdata_player&v=u5C-YHSy3Fw 06:28 cait not allowed to see it... 06:30 chris Really how dumb 06:31 chris Sorry bout that 06:31 cait yeah, "you are not allowed to see this video in your country" 06:31 cait what is it about? 06:34 chris Just a song I like 06:34 cait oh 06:37 brendan_l wow that's sorry to read on an free software irc channel - "you are not allowed to see this video in your country" 06:39 chris Yeah lame 06:44 chris I hate the record companies 06:45 brendan_l free software++ 07:03 chris https://www.kiwicon.org/ 07:03 chris That's my weekend 07:04 cait imp will be jealous 07:04 cait showed me the website some time ago :) 07:05 chris :) 07:15 cait christmas market opens this weekend and a friend is visiting for the weekend 07:15 cait so no hacking - but still some fun ;) 07:28 cait ok, time for work - bbl 08:20 kf hi #koha 08:25 ivanc hallo #koha 10:03 magnus kia ora #koha 10:13 magnus man i hate it when the F-16 jetfighters suddenly fly low over our roof - and scares the bejeezus out of the dogs! 10:20 slef Anyone else get LBA's koha list email three times or have I got a mailserver problem? 10:24 magnus slef: "Koha custom search engine"? i only see it once 10:25 magnus but GMail might be doing some tricks in the background 10:41 slef magnus: session timeout - but I see it's only once in the archive (although misthreaded) 10:51 kf hi slef and magnus 11:08 magnus hi kf 13:23 slef I've an unusual bug report here, asking for the opac and intranet catalogue search results displays to be made more consistent. Seems like this should be a known bug if it's general - anyone know it, or could the librarian have messed up some setting? 13:32 magnus "more consistent" in look & feel or in the hits that are displayed? 13:32 slef in how the hits are displayed: which tags/subtags 13:33 kf slef: there is no xslt for results in intranet 13:33 kf if they use that, it will vary a lot 13:33 kf and it's known that some things are missing, subfields from 245 - but you can use the keyword-to-marc-mapping under administration to make them show 13:33 slef I think they are non-xslt, but I will check that. 13:34 slef Their particular example was Series Title, subfields from 400. 13:34 kf not sure 400 is shown 13:34 slef I'll look at keyword-to-marc-mapping. Where is it known? 13:34 kf it's new in 3.2 13:34 kf under administration 13:34 slef Ah, that won't work for this one yet. 13:34 kf you can add fields, use keyword subtitle 13:35 slef 3.0+customisations 13:35 kf ah ok 13:35 slef thanks both... bbi60ish 13:36 kf slef: http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd4xx.html 400 seems a bit strange to me - not 490? 13:37 slef actually, I've another 5mins 13:37 slef kf: the whole bug report smells bad to me, so it wouldn't surprise me. 13:38 slef look, 400 is historical :-/ but still not title 13:38 slef very odd 13:38 slef ok, I'll look at xslt and query their tag number :) 13:38 kf :) 13:41 slef thanks 1000 13:52 kf hi druthb :) 13:58 druthb :) hi, kf! 14:20 magnus that was quick... ;-) 14:43 kmkale hi all 14:48 magnus hiya laurence, tcohn, kmkale & yhager 14:50 kmkale hey magnus 15:25 kf @later tell owen I have added your patch to my branch - thx again :) 15:25 munin kf: The operation succeeded. 15:35 slef @wunder Weston-super-Mare SOMERSET 15:35 munin slef: The current temperature in Weston-Super-Mare, United Kingdom is 3.4�C (3:35 PM GMT on November 25, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: -2.0�C. Windchill: 0.0�C. Pressure: 29.81 in 1009.4 hPa (Rising). 15:38 magnus @wunder bodo, norway 15:38 munin magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -5.0�C (4:20 PM CET on November 25, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: -15.0�C. Windchill: -14.0�C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). 15:38 slef magnus: show-off. 15:38 magnus hehe 15:39 slef we're OK, but other places are still freezing today and the UK is not configured for this 15:41 aarkerio hi! somebody knows a doc about how capture scientific magazines in Koha? 15:43 aarkerio I mean, there is something like ISBN for magazines? 15:45 slef ISSN 15:45 slef @marc 022 15:45 munin slef: The ISSN, a unique identification number assigned to a continuing resource. (Repeatable) [a,y,z,2,6,8] 15:46 slef aarkerio: look in the manuals and so on for "serials". There is often much discussion on the lists / in the forums about them. 15:46 aarkerio thx! 15:47 daniel good morning, folks 15:47 daniel @wunder 94114 15:47 munin daniel: The current temperature in Castro/San Francisco, San Francisco, California is 3.7�C (7:00 AM PST on November 25, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 0.0�C. Windchill: 4.0�C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1018.8 hPa (Rising). 15:47 slef good afternoon daniel 15:47 daniel magnus: great bird photos! 15:47 slef fnarr 15:48 magnus hiya daniel! and thanks! 15:48 daniel is one of those a kiwi? 15:48 magnus nope, they only come out at night 15:49 daniel that's what i thought, but this one confused me: 15:49 daniel http://www.flickr.com/photos/enger/5205863579/in/set-72157625465384630/ 15:49 magnus i'm gonna add all the bird names one of these days... 15:50 magnus that's a weka - also flightless http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weka 15:50 daniel cool, thanks 15:51 daniel omg, i just saw you posted 413 more under new zealand 15:52 daniel now i know what i'm going to do while eating breakfast. bbl 15:52 magnus hehe 16:13 cait hi #koha 16:14 magnus good afternoon cait 16:14 aarkerio hola! 16:14 cait hi magnus, hi aarkerio 17:52 slef @marc leader 17:52 munin slef: unknown tag leader 17:52 slef @marc ldr 17:52 munin slef: unknown tag ldr 17:52 slef @marc 001 17:52 munin slef: The control number assigned by the organization creating, using, or distributing the record. The MARC code for the organization is contained in field 003 (Control Number Identifier). [] 17:52 slef leader is http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bdleader.html 17:52 slef leader/ 17:52 slef leader? 17:52 ibot leader is http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bdleader.html 17:57 chris ibot: leader is also http://www.unimarc.info/holdings/1/en/000 17:57 ibot okay, chris. 17:58 chris leader? 17:58 ibot leader is, like, http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bdleader.html or http://www.unimarc.info/holdings/1/en/000 17:58 chris marc is the standard that isn't 17:58 chris marc? 17:58 ibot marc is the standard that isn't 18:12 slef Should C4::Biblio::GetXmlBiblio regenerate from the marc if the marcxml field is incomplete? 18:13 slef (I know it doesn't at the moment, but I just made it do so to fix a problem at one library and I could submit it.) 18:14 slef I'm wondering if there's a nasty drawback to doing that, though. 18:18 chris Well you might want to report it did that, there is a chance there might have been data in the xml that wasn't in thr marc 18:19 chris Unlikely but we should provide feedback that we did that I guess 18:22 chris @wunder wellington nz 18:22 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0�C (7:00 AM NZDT on November 26, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Rising). 18:22 slef If the marcxml field is incomplete, we can't read it except by hand. 18:22 chris Yep 18:23 chris But we'd want to report that and fix 18:23 chris And then find out how the xml became incomplete 18:24 chris Else we risk masking a problem would be my fear 18:24 chris Cloudy my butt, its a gorgeous morning 18:26 chris So in short I think its better than not doing it slef 18:27 chris But we should somehow alert the user and tell them to ask their it to check the logs 18:27 chris Or something 18:36 slef chris: it'll be cloudy in 20 minutes. 18:36 slef I know how the xml became incomplete. One source keeps sending records which claim to be MARC-8 but are actually Latin-1. 18:37 slef Trouble is, once the record has been imported into Koha, Koha barfs on most operations. 18:37 chris Yup 18:38 chris Recreate from the marc, and warn it did so seems fine to me 18:38 chris Better than asplode 18:49 slef It'll still explode because the MARC binary is wrong too, but at least we should be able to delete it and recatalogue. 18:49 slef Warn how? A note in the new MARC to look in the logs, and dump the old one to the error_log in a warn? 18:50 chris something like that 18:53 slef ok, I've a bit more work to do then :-/ 18:53 slef time to get dinner now, though 19:28 richard hi 19:28 chris hiya richard 19:28 richard hey chris 20:25 cait koha historian at work? 20:25 cait :) 20:26 chris :) 20:26 chris catching up 20:29 chris now to update the about page 20:29 cait updating the committers list? 20:30 chris yeah 21:12 magnus wow, it's quiet here tonight... ;-) 21:12 chris all the usians on holiday 21:12 cait yeah 21:14 magnus so thanksgiving is not a big thing in nz either? it seemed that guy fawkes was... 21:15 chris thanksgiving is purely an american thing 21:16 magnus yeah, guess it is. i wish they would keep halloween to themselves too... ;-) 21:17 cait magnus: you don't like pumkins and cute costumed kidsẞ 21:17 cait aw 21:18 magnus cait: i'm just not too fond of kids being taught they can get sweets from adults by threatening them... 21:18 cait lol 21:21 cait magnus: hey, tomorrow is pizza friday! 21:21 magnus yes it is! 21:22 magnus and my mother is coming to visit, so i get to make 3 pizzas! 21:22 cait :) 21:22 * cait thinks that it's really time to invent beamers 21:23 magnus as in "beam me up, scotty"? 21:24 magnus i think it's also slang for BMW ;-) 21:29 cait yep, like in enterprise 21:38 magnus good night, folks! 21:39 cait goo dnight magnus :) 21:44 cait looking at the borrowers table structure now - bug 3777 21:44 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3777 trivial, P5, ---, katrin.fischer, NEW, Field Sizes Inconsistent 21:44 chris cool 21:46 cait we have a lot of different data types there 21:48 cait I will sort the similar fields together and make a suggestion 21:49 chris good idea 21:49 cait mediumtext is bigger than text, right? so it's probably not safe to change mediumtext to text? 21:49 chris text is pretty damn huge 21:51 chris ie 64k 21:51 cait so ok to change some mediumtexts to text? 21:52 chris yes 21:52 cait just asking - you are the one to accept the patch :) 21:52 cait not sure I got it right - but I think text does not take as much resources as mediumtext 21:52 chris whats one that is mediumtext now? 21:52 cait because it's as big as its content? 21:52 cait an example: 21:52 cait 201 `title` mediumtext, 21:52 cait 236 `contacttitle` text, 21:52 chris yeah thats retarded 21:53 chris 4gig for a title 21:53 chris if someone has a title that long, they need a new job 21:53 chris sorry 16MB 21:54 cait still veeery big 21:54 chris yes 21:54 chris 16MB of text is huge! 21:55 cait more fun: 21:55 cait 199 `surname` mediumtext NOT NULL, 21:55 cait 251 `altcontactsurname` varchar(255) default NULL, 21:55 cait 250 `altcontactfirstname` varchar(255) default NULL, 21:55 cait 200 `firstname` text, 21:55 chris yeah, all of those could be varchar imho 21:55 chris 255 is a lot of characters for a surname :) 21:55 chris but certainly no need to be mediumtext 21:56 richard text? 21:56 ibot text is probably pretty damn huge 21:56 richard gotta love ibot 21:56 chris :) 21:58 cait ok, will do my sorting and than someone can help me choose the right data types perhaps? 22:00 cait chris? 22:00 ibot it has been said that chris is craving coffee 22:00 cait ibot botsnack cookie 22:00 ibot thanks cait :) 22:02 chris yeah, thatd be fine 22:04 pastebot "cait" at 92.230.133.112 pasted "borrowers table" (56 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/106 22:06 cait we have three surname , firstname combinations - and varchar(255), mediumtext and text for them 22:07 chris heh 22:08 cait this is not the only case 22:08 cait a lot of fields default to null - others not 22:11 * cait is confused 22:15 hilongo hello there! 22:16 hilongo Hope you're all ok :) 22:17 hilongo Does anyone know if there is work being done about "fines in days" instead of money? 22:18 hilongo I know there is some work storing a date in the members table, in the 'debarred' field 22:19 hilongo But we need something more than that .. and I was about to start developing (or try to) the functionality we need 22:19 cait hilongo: better ask paul or hdl about it - but I think there was some work done 22:20 cait there is an rfc: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Calculate_fines_in_days_debarred_RFC 22:22 chris its in 3.2 22:22 chris If your library 'fines' patrons by suspending their account you can enter the number of days their fine should be suspended in the 'Suspension in Days' field 22:22 cait we don't have the sys pref 22:22 chris dont need it 22:23 hilongo yes ... I tried that ... and works fine 22:23 hilongo but we need some more functionality ... like the posibility of track how many times a patron was suspended ... 22:24 hilongo or the interface to reduce the 'sentence' :) 22:25 chris http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Category:RFCs 22:25 hilongo same things you can do with money fines ... 22:26 hilongo yeah ... I read that page ... I was about to start the work... but asked around first... so maybe something was already cooking ;) 22:27 chris make sure you start the rfc and announce it before you start any work 22:27 chris then if people are working on it, they will let you know 22:27 hilongo point taken 22:28 * hilongo starts writing a pretty and clear RFC ... 22:29 hilongo ok guys .. thanks a lot ... have a nice weekend! 22:29 cait you too hilongo 22:34 chris http://stats.workbuffer.org/ircstats/ 22:34 chris stats from ibot 22:35 cait seems I talk to much 22:36 chris hehe, only in the last 4 days 22:36 cait the random quote is funny 22:37 ebegin @wunder montreal, canada 22:37 munin ebegin: The current temperature in Montreal, Quebec is -4.0�C (5:00 PM EST on November 25, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: -9.0�C. Windchill: -8.0�C. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018 hPa (Falling). 22:39 cait kf is the most referenced nick: so at least I am not talking to myself :) 22:41 cait the big numbers are cool too 22:50 * druthb checks the Ashes results from Day 1. 22:51 chris australia firmly in charge at the moment 22:51 cait Ashes results? 22:51 chris http://www.espncricinfo.com/the-ashes-2010-11/engine/current/match/428749.html 22:52 cait cricket? 22:52 chris yup 22:53 chris http://www.scgt.nsw.gov.au/SCG-Scoreboard-Cam.html 22:54 * druthb listens to the howls of derisive laughter coming from the Australians. 22:56 druthb chris: looks like Cook and Pieterson did okay, but the bottom half of their lineup was teh suck. 22:56 chris yup 22:57 * cait is confused again 22:57 chris bell played ok 22:57 * druthb had a long, long lesson in cricket last night from chris. 22:57 chris right im gonna go eat something bbiab 22:58 cait going to sleep 22:58 cait druthb: you have to take over for us ;) 22:58 druthb okie 22:59 * cait leaves you a bowl of cookies