IRC log for #koha, 2010-11-24

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00:51 moodaepo @wunder 56001
00:51 munin moodaepo: The current temperature in MSU Physics Dept, Mankato, Minnesota is -8.5�C (6:51 PM CST on November 23, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: -10.0�C. Windchill: -8.0�C. Pressure: 30.22 in 1023.2 hPa (Rising). Winter Weather Advisory in effect from 6 am Wednesday to midnight CST Wednesday night...
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01:21 gmcharlt @wunder seattle, wa
01:21 munin gmcharlt: The current temperature in Herrera Environmental Consultants, Seattle, Washington is -3.3�C (5:21 PM PST on November 23, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: -14.0�C. Windchill: -3.0�C. Pressure: 30.05 in 1017.5 hPa (Steady).
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01:54 * jcamins_a curses the broken patch.
01:55 jcamins_a Editing the patch to remove the duplicate line results in an error message that the patch doesn't have an e-mail address.
02:12 chris_n deleting one of two content-type lines results in that error?
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02:12 jcamins chris_n: yeah.
02:12 chris_n strange indeed
02:13 chris_n what is the commit id of the patch?
02:13 jcamins It is...
02:14 jcamins Ummm...
02:14 brendan_l heya chris_n hey jcamins
02:14 jcamins Is that the first line?
02:14 brendan_l gmcharlt - you in seatlle?
02:14 jcamins Hello, brendan_l.
02:15 chris_n jcamins: the md5 hash
02:15 gmcharlt brendan_l: no, just marveling at the unexpected snowstorm there
02:15 brendan_l ah
02:15 brendan_l @wunder ukiah, ca
02:15 munin brendan_l: The current temperature in westside ukiah, Ukiah, California is 2.0�C (6:12 PM PST on November 23, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: -13.0�C. Windchill: 2.0�C. Pressure: 29.17 in 987.7 hPa (Rising).
02:15 jcamins chris_n: 88d95d7885614fd8c5fa50e478cc9a28  .git/rebase-apply/0076
02:15 brendan_l man that's cold here
02:16 jcamins @wunder 11105
02:16 munin jcamins: The current temperature in Astoria, Astoria, New York is 14.9�C (9:11 PM EST on November 23, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010.0 hPa (Rising).
02:16 jcamins And that is hot.
02:16 brendan_l a white thanksgiving in seattle
02:16 chris_n @wunder 28334
02:16 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 17.2�C (9:13 PM EST on November 23, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 36%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007.0 hPa (Rising).
02:16 chris_n ich
02:16 jcamins chris_n: did I send you the wrong thing?
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02:18 * chris_n can't seem to find a commit by that number in master
02:18 jcamins Hm.
02:18 chris rebasing changes commit hashes
02:19 jcamins It's the patch for Bug 5116.
02:19 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5116 minor, P5, ---, ricmarques, NEW, Duplicate and missing entries in ""
02:20 brendan_l heh - always funny hearing chris say - there goes my house :)
02:21 * jcamins always pictures the Wizard of Oz
02:21 chris_n 95cb1c3
02:21 chris_n thats a while back
02:22 jcamins Yeah, I hadn't rebased this machine in a while.
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02:24 jcamins That's really weird.
02:24 jcamins I'm looking at the patch on master, and I'm looking at the patch on my server, and sure enough, they have different headers.
02:25 * chris_n has to run, bbl
02:29 jcamins Okay, all fixed.
02:30 jcamins And I have no idea what changed.
02:30 jcamins I ran git rebase --abort twice in a row, then tried again, and it fixed it.
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02:55 brendan_l @wunder 93117
02:55 munin brendan_l: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 11.9�C (6:55 PM PST on November 23, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015.1 hPa (Steady). Freeze watch in effect from late Wednesday night through Thursday morning...
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03:12 Amit heya chris
03:13 brendan_l heya amit
03:13 Amit heya brendan_l
03:14 yhager Does this error merrage say something to anyone (from koha 3.2) Can't call method "title" without a package or object reference at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-​bin/cataloguing/ line 896.
03:14 yhager sorry, message. Couldn't find any mention to anything similar in bugzilla
03:15 yhager @wunder v0g2c0
03:15 munin yhager: The current temperature in Castlegar, British Columbia is -13.0�C (5:00 PM PST on November 23, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: -15.0�C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Rising).
03:15 yhager heh, it's cold here :)
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03:25 bfleming ok, so quick question about
03:25 bfleming why is $base_url set to be __FILE__ ...?
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03:52 kmkale hi all
03:55 Amit heya kmkale
03:55 kmkale hi Amit
03:56 kmkale its a miserable day here unseasonable clouds and rains. But I saw a *big* full rainbow to start the day off well :)
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04:02 chris :(
04:03 chris[…]last-no-survivors
04:03 gmcharlt :(
04:08 bigbrovar chris:  gmcharlt: He who never sleeps watches over them, no matter where there are now.
04:08 chris_n :-(
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04:20 kmkale so sad :(
04:20 kmkale bbl
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04:23 brendan_l ah finally have time to catch up on thd emails :)
04:39 bigbrovar Hi guys I was having some issues getting refined search by libraries to work. turns out I needed 952$a and b in tags once I added that to my marc searching by libraries started working. Now I am trying to get refine search by availability to work. I already have 952$7 set in my marc .. what other holding data field do I need to allow people refine their search to available items
04:45 brendan_l bug 4481 maybe of some help
04:45 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4481 normal, P5, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED, Search's Limit to Available filters out many available items
04:48 bigbrovar brendan_l: ahh so I was not doing it wrong then.  I heard there is a patch somewhere, How can I get the patch and can it be applied on a working koha instance or I have to compile it from scratch again?
04:49 brendan_l not sure are you using git?
04:51 bigbrovar nope
04:51 bigbrovar I just downloaded the latest stable release.
04:54 bigbrovar brendan_l: most likely might have to wait for the next stable release upgrade my current instance then
04:55 * bigbrovar time to catch some sleep before day break
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05:09 cait hi #koha
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05:40 brendan_l heya cait
05:40 brendan_l heya hdl
05:41 hdl hi brendan_l
05:43 brendan_l hdl++ #just cause I saw some awesome pics of you from KohaCon
05:53 hdl brendan_l: thanks
05:56 cait hi brendan
05:57 cait hi hdl
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07:02 brendan_l @wunder ukiah, ca
07:02 munin brendan_l: The current temperature in westside ukiah, Ukiah, California is -0.4�C (10:59 PM PST on November 23, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: -10.0�C. Windchill: 0.0�C. Pressure: 29.23 in 989.7 hPa (Steady).
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07:14 cait @wunder Konstnaz
07:14 munin cait: Error: No such location could be found.
07:14 cait @wunder Konstanz
07:14 munin cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 2.0�C (8:00 AM CET on November 24, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 0.0�C. Pressure: 29.84 in 1010 hPa (Rising).
07:16 chris @wunder wellingtn nz
07:16 munin chris: Error: No such location could be found.
07:16 chris @wunder wellington nz
07:16 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0�C (8:00 PM NZDT on November 24, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady).
07:16 chris @wunder fribourg
07:16 munin chris: The current temperature in Plaffeien-Oberschrot, Switzerland is -2.0�C (8:00 AM CET on November 24, 2010). Conditions: . Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: -5.0�C. Pressure: (Rising).
07:18 cait fribourg?
07:18 cait hi chris
07:18 chris thats where my friend penny is going today
07:19 chris she lives in switzerland
07:20 chris
07:26 cait ah :)
07:27 cait not so far away
07:29 chris yup
07:32 cait chris?
07:32 ibot chris is awake to early
07:32 cait git?
07:33 ibot freaking rules
07:33 cait ibot is cool :)
07:33 cait ibot?
07:33 ibot cait?
07:33 cait ok, time to stop playing and go to work
07:33 cait bye :)
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07:35 Amit @wunder New Delhi
07:35 munin Amit: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 20.0�C (12:30 PM IST on November 24, 2010). Conditions: Smoke. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Falling).
07:35 Amit @wunder Dehradun
07:35 munin Amit: The current temperature in Dehradun, India is 21.0�C (11:30 AM IST on November 24, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.93 in 1014 hPa.
07:35 Amit @wunder Bangalore
07:35 munin Amit: The current temperature in Bangalore, India is 23.0�C (11:30 AM IST on November 24, 2010). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 18.0�C.
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08:05 bfleming @wunder Livingston Montana
08:05 munin bfleming: The current temperature in Livingston, Montana is -22.0�C (12:53 AM MST on November 24, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: -27.0�C. Windchill: -34.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). Winter Storm Warning in effect until 5 PM MST Wednesday...
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08:36 kf hi #koha
08:37 bfleming hello
08:37 ibot bonjour, bfleming
08:37 hdl hi kf
08:37 hdl so there are two bots now...
08:37 hdl @seen chris
08:37 munin hdl: chris was last seen in #koha 1 hour, 8 minutes, and 1 second ago: <chris> yup
08:38 hdl I am looking in Hudson to try and use that for testing search.
08:39 hdl I cannot get to configuration pages. Is it because of permissions ?
08:39 hdl chris Is there a How To write db_dependent tests ?
08:40 hdl much of its code still relies on smolder tests. Is it still OK to use that ?
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08:50 ivanc hi #koha
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09:02 magnus ata marie, #koha
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09:41 kf closed wrong window :(
09:43 magnus kf: ah, i thought i scared you off...
09:45 kf magnus: no :)
09:45 magnus :-)
09:58 braedon|h @wunder auckland
09:58 munin braedon|h: The current temperature in Auckland, New Zealand is 15.0�C (10:00 PM NZDT on November 24, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady).
10:06 magnus @wunder bodo, norway
10:06 munin magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -7.0�C (10:50 AM CET on November 24, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: -13.0�C. Windchill: -16.0�C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady).
10:07 magnus and this is what it actually looked like this morning: ;-)
10:21 kf we have grey sky again
10:56 bigbrovar kf: thanks once again for your help yesterday.
10:57 kf no problem bigbrovar - glad it helped
10:57 bigbrovar magnus: thanks too. You guys rock
10:58 magnus np bigbrovar :-)
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12:08 magnus kia ora nengard
12:08 nengard hiya magnus
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12:12 magnus hiya tcohen
12:13 tcohen hi magnus
12:13 tcohen just got my morning coffee
12:13 tcohen its early 9 in the morning here : D
12:14 magnus lucky - a full day ahead... ;-)
12:14 magnus s/lucky/lucky you/
12:18 magnus lunchtime here - bbl
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12:38 * druthb watches jwagner closely, for signs of attempts to make her miserable.  They won't succeed, of course.
12:45 * jwagner will give druthb a break for today. Will return to the effort after Thanksgiving.
12:45 druthb groooooovy.
12:45 jwagner It's harder to make someone miserable from a distance and I'm working from home today :-)
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12:58 gmcharlt here's the to Thanksgiving cease-fire ;)
13:00 hdl hi gmcharlt
13:00 gmcharlt hi hdl
13:00 hdl Happy Thanksgiving american folks
13:03 kf gmcharlt++
13:03 kf we did a test upgrade of our production server today - worked great, no mysql errors, no problems so far :)
13:04 gmcharlt cool
13:08 hdl kf: which version are you upgraing from ?
13:09 kf 3.01.61
13:09 kf straigt forward :)
13:10 kf have to test a bit more, at the moment I am anonymizing the database
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13:57 * owen thinks all the Americans must be off baking
13:57 * druthb waves to owen and schuster.
14:02 * nengard doesn't bake
14:03 * nengard goes to other people's houses - they bake for her
14:05 hdl bake
14:05 hdl wave
14:05 hdl micro
14:05 * druthb loves to bake! :)
14:05 hdl hehe owen there is a life out there.
14:06 gmcharlt nengard++ # that's the best way to do it
14:06 nengard :)
14:07 nengard I do have to get a bday cake today
14:07 nengard it's momma's bday tomorrow
14:07 nengard but i'll be buying that - not baking
14:09 * jwagner isn't baking, just hiding at home from all the traffic. Getting home yesterday was bad enough....
14:10 * owen has some potato-peeling to do tonight
14:15 * kf likes baking
14:17 magnus_a is now known as magnus
14:18 * druthb waves to magnus
14:18 * magnus waves back to druthb
14:22 schuster happy Gobble gobble!
14:26 jcamins_a is now known as jcamins
14:26 jcamins Good morning, #koha
14:26 jcamins Baking?
14:26 * jcamins wishes he were baking
14:26 magnus g'day jcamins
14:27 magnus nah...
14:28 jcamins magnus: you don't want to bake?
14:29 magnus well, i wouldn't mind i guess, i'm just not doing it at the moment
14:30 kf jcamins: what would you like to bake?
14:30 jcamins Hm.
14:31 jcamins I would like to bake those wonderful pain au chocolat. :)
14:31 * jwagner invites jcamins, kf, and druthb over to bake for me
14:31 druthb :D
14:31 kf jcamins: yummy
14:32 jcamins kf: yeah, I was very happy with the results.
14:32 kf perhaps you should start a photo blog...
14:32 kf or an international delivery service ;)
14:33 kf oh
14:33 jcamins kf: I tried the blogging thing once.
14:33 jcamins I don't have a camera.
14:34 kf question: someone willing and able to sign-off on my patch for adding state to all 3 addresses?
14:34 jcamins Nor do I write good addresses.
14:34 jcamins Argh!
14:34 jcamins Recipes.
14:35 kf lol
14:35 kf yeah, I understood ;)
14:35 jcamins That makes one of us. ;)
14:36 kf I have a recipe from you - it looked good to me
14:51 jcamins kf: it's an illusion.
14:51 owen kf, what's the bug number of your state patch?
14:52 kf owen: looking it up
14:53 kf Bug 5422
14:53 kf bug 5422
14:53 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5422 enhancement, P5, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED, Separate state field for patron's adresses
14:53 kf ah, for a moment I thought munin lost the bot fight
14:53 kf and ignore the typo... address
14:54 jcamins ibot?
14:54 ibot yes, jcamins?
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14:54 jcamins Apparently they came to a truce.
14:55 kf owen: is that ok? a branch? I can create patches later
14:55 owen Yeah, only now I have to remember how to check out from someone else's repo :)
14:55 kf oh, I can tell you :)
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14:56 owen Is that on the wiki? If not, tell me and I'll add it
14:56 jcamins kf++ # for git awesomeness
14:56 kf the repo is
14:56 kf jcamins: chris++ for teaching me at kohacon :)
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14:58 kf git remote add <your name for it> <url>
14:59 kf git fetch <your name for it>
14:59 kf git checkout -b <your branch name> <your name for it>/<name of branch at public repo>
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15:00 kf hope that makes sense :)
15:02 owen Yes, thanks!
15:03 kf thanks for testing :)
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15:09 owen kf: Good news, nothing broke! ;)
15:09 owen kf: I wonder if it would be logical to apply the same change to the structure of the branches table?
15:09 kf file a bug for it ;)
15:09 kf I think it would be, but better make a separate patch for it
15:10 owen Yeah, I agree. It doesn't hold up the usefulness of your changes
15:10 kf and feel free to make the display better - I was not sure how it has to look like
15:12 owen Oh, I see something else to put on the list (sorry)
15:12 kf no problem
15:12 owen The cities table should be updated to offer a state field as well
15:12 kf oh
15:12 kf we don't use that, have not thougth about it
15:13 kf I think filing bugs with some information how it has to work would be good
15:13 kf we don't have that in addresses here
15:13 owen Yes, I'll file separate bugs for those two ideas
15:17 kf that would be great
15:17 jcamins nengard: 30-something pages of documentation coming your way. Happy Thanksgiving!
15:18 nengard woo hoo!! :)
15:21 kf jcamins: what is the topic? :)
15:22 jcamins I know that nothing makes a person, especially a documentation manager, thankful like the thought "at least I didn't have to write *this*."
15:22 owen Hopefully baking
15:22 jcamins kf: Koha.
15:22 jcamins It's the ANS site manual.
15:22 kf ?
15:22 jcamins So now nengard can take what's useful for the main manual.
15:22 jcamins I documented how we do things, and all our configuration.
15:23 jcamins Painfully.
15:23 kf ah
15:23 kf :)
15:23 jcamins The problem is that I had to write it in Microsoft Word, and then I didn't really have any way to get it out other than copy-and-paste.
15:23 kf doing that in German for my coworkers right now
15:23 * jcamins hates MS Word
15:26 jcamins Well, feel free to translate any useful parts of the ANS's documentation into German.
15:27 kf jcamins++
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15:36 nengard k - i think i'm done with reports for today
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15:41 kf hdl: I can't reach[…]?p=koha;a=summary - is it broken?
15:42 hdl;a=summary
15:42 hdl No cgi-bin/gitweb
15:43 hdl kf: where did you get that link from ?
15:43 kf public repo site on the iwki
15:43 kf[…]_Git_Repositories
15:49 nengard jcamins i like the cataloging sheet!!
15:50 nengard gonna find a way to get that into the manual
15:50 kf hdl: I updated the link
15:50 nengard even though it's not koha specific - it is something i get asked for
15:50 jcamins Lesson for posterity: if you have run a script which opens and saves every record, it might not be a good idea to use the log viewer over that time period.
15:50 jcamins nengard: I'm not surprised.
15:51 jcamins Especially for sites that have just migrated from a non-marc system.
15:52 * jcamins remembers when all web browsers had frame rates.
15:52 jcamins He doesn't know how he didn't go mad, now that he's experiencing it all over again. ;)
15:54 hdl kf: thanks
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15:57 owen kf: Sent you a patch with some additional changes for Bug 5422
15:57 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5422 enhancement, P5, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED, Separate state field for patron's adresses
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16:00 kf owen: great - thank you!
16:01 kf I have another one that needs sign-off: bug 5430
16:01 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5430 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED, Add Control number as option to OPACSearchForTitleIn
16:02 kf owen: oh scary, I used a grep to find all files - wonder how I missed all those!
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16:03 owen It was only one template file missing the state, but all those scripts use that same include
16:03 kf yeah, but they should have shown up :( will check my command
16:03 kf can you perhaps attach for patch to the bug?
16:04 kf I am not sure how to get the patch out of your mail correctly
16:04 owen I think if you save the email as a text file you can apply it just like that
16:05 kf we are talking about ms outlook here...
16:06 kf I think it will miss the header - telling it that it was you who wrote it
16:06 owen I'll send it to you as an attachment
16:07 jcamins Does anyone else use 583 Action Note?
16:08 wizzyrea what I learned about patches from email
16:08 wizzyrea you have to have the FROM header at the top
16:08 wizzyrea a SUBJECT header
16:09 wizzyrea and the content (all content) of the body of the message
16:09 wizzyrea and good morning.
16:09 * jcamins goes to add "good morning" to all his patches.
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16:10 wizzyrea lol o no
16:10 gmcharlt jcamins++
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16:10 * wizzyrea would like to note that you do *not* have to add "good morning" to all of your patches.
16:10 gmcharlt @quote add * wizzyrea would like to note that you do *not* have to add "good morning" to all of your patches.
16:10 munin gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.  Quote #105 added.
16:11 wizzyrea >.< lol
16:11 jcamins Good morning, wizzyrea.
16:12 wizzyrea good morning, jcamins
16:17 jwagner chris_n, online?
16:18 jwagner I know I remember seeing a bug about searching by date in the label creator, where if you click select all in the results list it only adds the first title to the batch.  I can't find the bugzilla report, though. Anyone remember this one, and whether it's fixed?
16:19 kf owen++ thx
16:23 wizzyrea jwagner, are you thinking of[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5391
16:23 munin Bug 5391: critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, cnighswonger, ASSIGNED, can't add multiples to batch
16:23 owen kf: What resource uses control number as the search point?
16:24 kf it depends where your records are from
16:24 jwagner wizzyrea, thanks -- that's it!
16:25 slef owen: was bug 3652 default escape => "HTML" patch ever applied?
16:25 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3652 critical, P5, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, XSS vulnerabilities
16:25 kf I am quite sure you can build a link for worldcat, we will use it for our union catalog and for academic libraries that participate in our union catalog and have those numbers, like the university of heidelberg
16:25 kf owen: I can give you an example, give me a second
16:25 owen slef: No. It went into a testing branch and that was the last I heard of it
16:26 owen slef: I wonder if the switch to template toolkit makes it moot
16:26 slef owen: do you know.... heh, snap!
16:26 kf owen: enter this as control number in one record for testing: 316187453
16:27 slef owen: OK if I add it to the 3.4 Roadmap as a must-have if the switch to template toolkit doesn't happen?
16:27 kf owen: and this as search link:{CONTROLNUMBER}
16:27 owen slef: Fine with me.
16:27 slef munin: @later tell chris_n would you consider fixing bug 3652 in 3.2.x?
16:27 munin slef: Error: "@later" is not a valid command.
16:28 slef @later tell chris_n would you consider fixing bug 3652 in 3.2.x?
16:28 munin slef: The operation succeeded.
16:28 slef munin: ratbag.
16:28 munin slef: Error: "ratbag." is not a valid command.
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16:30 wizzyrea ratbag?
16:30 ibot it has been said that ratbag is an affectionate term, often bandied about in a playful manner. It's best not to get offended.
16:32 slef Updated[…]#Template_Toolkit
16:32 druthb wizzyrea?
16:32 ibot wizzyrea is probably a ray of sunshine.
16:33 slef Where's the manual?
16:33 ibot the manual is at
16:33 slef Who's your daddy?
16:34 wizzyrea who's your daddy?
16:34 kf slef?
16:34 druthb ibot: daddy?
16:34 ibot daddy is chris
16:34 slef kf: erm, no
16:34 * wizzyrea giggles
16:35 kf nah, just checking what he knows about you :)
16:35 kf ibot: botsnack chocolate chip cookie
16:35 ibot thanks kf :)
16:35 wizzyrea slef?
16:35 ibot slef is, like, an encyclopedia of FOSS knowledge
16:36 wizzyrea slef?
16:36 ibot i think slef is an avid cyclist
16:36 kf owen: so it did work for you?
16:36 owen Yup, worked perfectly
16:36 kf cool :)
16:36 kf it will be really handy for our catalogs around here
16:37 kf owen++
16:41 nengard jcamins cheat sheet added to the manual
16:41 nengard wizzyrea if you want to pull the 3.2 manual then jcamins can see it ;)
16:41 jcamins Woohoo!
16:41 jcamins nengard++
16:41 nengard not i'll read the rest, but that guide was a biggie!!
16:41 wizzyrea heh in a few I will (workin on something right this second)
16:41 nengard np
16:42 * jcamins didn't want it to be said that he didn't provide enough details. :)
16:42 owen Okay, Koha interlude over. Back to non-Koha coding.
16:42 jcamins All our interns now know to turn white when I say "oh, hey, I just printed out X for you."
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16:54 kf bye :)
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17:11 chris_n slef: by all means, yes
17:11 * chris_n wonders how that got overlooked
17:30 slef chris_n: thanks.
17:30 chris_n slef: has that patch been tested/committed, etc?
17:31 slef chris_n: I don't know and couldn't find it. owen mentioned something about it being on a testing branch.
17:31 chris_n[…]9fbaeaf67efba2417
17:32 slef chris_n: if you're willing to consider it for release, I think I'm willing to test it.
17:32 slef chris_n: OK, that's confusing. I thought owen wrote the patch, not gcollum.
17:32 chris_n slef: if that is the correct fix, I'll push it now
17:32 slef chris_n: also, I don't understand why my git log didn't see that commit.
17:32 owen That's just one small fix
17:33 * chris_n realizes that is already there :-P
17:33 owen[…]2b3a169c20df31966
17:33 chris_n so we have that in 3.2.x atm
17:34 chris_n is the current status of the bug correct?
17:35 owen My patch for Bug 3652 has only been pushed to a testing branch, new/bug3652
17:35 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3652 critical, P5, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, XSS vulnerabilities
17:35 chris_n owen: will your patch finish the fix
17:35 slef Maybe that should be PATCH-Sent?
17:35 owen No, that patch will only cover the OPAC
17:35 slef with a note/link to where the patch is?
17:35 owen Actually I thought I'd sent fixes for the staff client too
17:36 chris_n slef: I will push any security/exploit related patches
17:39 owen I do have changes for the staff client, but the work is a few months old now. I'm sure it will have to be updated.
17:40 owen I'm willing to do so, but I'm wondering if the template-toolkit change will make my work invalid for 3.4
17:41 slef I suspect it will, as long as it happens.  It's still good for 3.2.
17:41 slef And we might end up needing it for 3.4.
17:42 * chris_n thinks any security related bugs should be fixed regardless
17:45 chris[…]late_toolkit_test
17:46 chris any changes you make will carry over
17:47 chris escape=HTML becomes | h in TT
17:49 chris and |url etc
17:51 slef chris: can we set a default, though?
17:51 slef rather than rely on people remembering |h after everything
17:53 chris yes we can, but then you have to change everywhere you want to turn it off too
17:53 chris the first cut of template::toolkit conversion is provide an equivalent version
17:54 chris phase 2, we can change things like the default
17:55 slef When's phase 2?
17:56 owen chris: I've done work to do that, to set the default and to change everywhere we want to turn it off
17:57 owen I just wanted to make sure there wasn't an aspect of template-toolkit that would make my work invalid
17:57 chris nope, none at all owen
17:57 owen Glad to hear it :)
17:57 slef chris: so we can get owen's patches into 3.2 and then get an equivalent version for 3.4 from the TT-conversion?
17:57 chris yep
17:57 slef cool.
17:58 chris people testing the templates would be very handy
18:00 chris_n slef: I'll push fixes as chris pushes them to head
18:28 chris I might get a chance today
18:29 chris More likely tomorrow
18:29 chris I think this horrible tradgedy might mean I need to help out on stuff
18:30 wizzyrea :( so awful
18:33 slef On a happier note, would anyone like to opine about bug 5377?  I think Koha 3.0 also rejects multiple ISBNs on some MARC imports but I could be wrong.
18:33 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5377 major, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Database fields too small for multiple ISBN and ISSN
18:34 gmcharlt slef: IMO, if we need to store all ISBNs in some fashion outside of the MARC record, we should do it Right (tm) and create a separate table
18:34 gmcharlt specifically, a biblioisbns
18:34 gmcharlt or more generally
18:34 jcamins gmcharlt++
18:34 chris Yeah
18:34 gmcharlt a biblio_attributes
18:35 chris Do we need to store them outside tho?
18:35 gmcharlt good question
18:36 gmcharlt for the purpose of generating displays, main advantage would be to avoid a MARC/MARCXML parsing it, so a separate table to cache them could be speedy
18:36 gmcharlt another purpose would be to enable SQL queries on bib records using something faster than MySQL's rlike operator
18:37 wizzyrea would this proposal also help the issue of multiple ISBN's for a single record (i.e. 10 vs 13 digit ISBN)
18:37 chris Right, so for acqui where we haven't already parsed the full record?
18:38 chris Not by just changing a field size, no not really wizzyrea
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18:39 wizzyrea the reason I ask that question is because you have to put the 10 digit ISBN in the marc field first for amazon covers to show
18:39 jcamins wizzyrea: didn't BibLibre have a fix for that?
18:39 wizzyrea probably
18:40 jwagner Bug 4305, I think.  It's on my list.
18:40 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4305 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, RESOLVED FIXED, Amazon book covers do not work with ISBN13
18:40 chris Yeah that's a sep issue
18:40 gmcharlt and I suspect it may have to be reopened
18:40 wizzyrea but, (and it's likely i'm not understanding correctly) abstracting the ISBN's might make it easier to work with amazon. Or not. I really don't know.
18:41 gmcharlt most books published in the last few years don't have ISBN-10s
18:41 jcamins I agree, though, that ISBN's shouldn't be stored in an ugly lump in a text field.
18:41 chris Not really
18:41 gmcharlt so I'm not quite sure if/how/why the Amazon API has a problem with ISBN-13s
18:41 chris Yep but I think maybe we don't store them outside the marc
18:42 jcamins chris: I would agree.
18:42 jcamins I think a biblio_attributes table for standard numbers is just going to lead to chaos and confusion.
18:42 chris That would be my fear
18:43 gmcharlt jcamins: well, not necessarily, but to do it right, we'd have to ensure that biblio_attributes was maintained purely automatically
18:43 chris And out of syncness
18:43 chris Yeah
18:43 gmcharlt i.e., the code would never write to that table directly
18:43 slef Anyone know where Fridolyn SOMERS is from?
18:43 slef (reporter of that bug)
18:43 chris Ch I think
18:43 jcamins gmcharlt: even with that, I think there would be problems.
18:44 chris I have a patch of theirs to test
18:44 jcamins ISBNs are *not* unique.
18:44 jcamins They're supposed to be, yet, but three books sitting on my shelf can assure you they aren't.
18:44 gmcharlt jcamins: well, no, but I don't think anybody was proposing to use them as a unique identifier
18:44 chris Crap bus has stopped
18:44 gmcharlt obviously publishers have long proven that they can't manage to assign ISBNs consistently
18:45 jcamins gmcharlt: yeah, but then you need to use a join table.
18:45 slef Shall I summarise the desire for biblio_attributes in that bug report, or would gmcharlt or someone like to put it more eloquently?
18:45 gmcharlt slef: I'll put something in now
18:45 gmcharlt no guarantees about eloquence
18:46 gmcharlt slef: btw, what's up with the BL releasing 3 million bib records in RDF but not in a form that most libraries can use directly, i.e., MARC?
18:47 jcamins Which I guess wouldn't be so bad if biblio and biblioitem were combined, but it seems to me that queries would quickly get complicated otherwise.
18:47 jcamins gmcharlt: just following the lead of LC with
18:47 slef gmcharlt: I don't know. What's up with the BL releasing 3 million bib records under non-commercial licences?
18:48 gmcharlt slef: how is CC0 non-commercial?
18:49 gmcharlt it's essentially putting the records in the public domain, so commercial and non-commercial users can play alike
18:50 gmcharlt admittedly, it's churlish of me to ask "may I have some more?", but since very few library catalogs can do anything with RDF triples
18:50 slef gmcharlt: they changed from the last release?
18:50 slef I missed that.
18:50 slef Too little time...
18:50 gmcharlt slef:[…]ary-data-release/
18:51 slef oh well, maybe flaming them for NC did some good ;-)
18:51 gmcharlt heh
18:51 jcamins gmcharlt: it has been my observation that most library data is "released" in formats of doubtful value.
18:51 * jcamins coughs
18:52 gmcharlt gotta protect those MARC record monopolies, I guess
18:52 jcamins "next generation discovery tools"
18:52 slef is there something to make a XSLT to MARCXML non-trivial?
18:53 gmcharlt slef: RDFXML to MARCXL wouldn't be hard, but it looks like a lot of the information from the MARC records didn't make it to the RDF in the BL dataset
18:54 gmcharlt leaving the stones rather unbloody
18:55 slef hrm, blooming sausagemakers
18:55 * jcamins coughs
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18:56 gmcharlt jcamins: coming down with a case of biblioitis?
18:56 jcamins gmcharlt: yeah.
18:57 jcamins I find it incredibly frustrating that I can't find out what books are *actually* owned by the library when I search in these next generation catalogs.
18:58 sekjal jcamins: *actual* ownership is soooo last century
19:00 slef I'm getting confused here. Does biblioitems.isbn ever contain multiple |-delimited values?
19:01 sekjal slef: it can, if multiple 020s are in the MARC
19:02 sekjal but the field size limit usually cuts the second number short
19:03 wizzyrea jcamins: heh, we only "license" our library materials nowadays. </snark>
19:03 slef sekjal: ok... I've got to figure out what patch to cherrypick.  Thanks.
19:04 * wizzyrea imagines an EULA on the selfchecks. Dies a little inside.
19:04 wizzyrea afk, crying in beer.
19:06 sekjal slef: gladly. all this ISBN talk has made for the most entertaining lunch break in a while
19:06 * gmcharlt blinks
19:06 sekjal what that says about me, I'm not sure
19:07 * druthb waves, and heads out to catch the bus.
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19:09 sekjal maybe its that I don't usually take lunch breaks...
19:09 sekjal anyway, time to get back to T-giving prep
19:11 sekjal thank you all for being part of this community!  you guys are one of the many things i have to be thankful for
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19:12 chris owen: gonna make a branch and apply your patch now, its all quiet at the news room
19:12 slef OK, I don't get this. According to git, this code isn't buggy in master, but according to git log -u master, it was never removed by a commit. Help!
19:13 owen chris: the patch is pretty old now, good luck
19:13 chris yeah, we'll see how much it conflicts
19:14 slef Does git log -u not show all diffs for the file?
19:14 chris if its really messy, ill push it up with the conflict markers, into its own branch, and ask you to look
19:14 chris oh, galen already did push it
19:15 chris[…]heads/new/bug3652
19:16 chris ill attempt to merge master in and see if it explodes
19:16 slef oh. dear.
19:16 slef I just found the source of my confusion.  Bug introduced by a patch that's only on our fork :-(((
19:17 chris owen: only 2 conflicts
19:17 slef I lose. Time to shoot the reviewer.  Oh, that's me.
19:17 chris and tiny ones too
19:17 chris yay
19:22 jcamins Wow!
19:22 jcamins Is bug 3652 the one for escaping the templates?
19:22 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3652 critical, P5, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, XSS vulnerabilities
19:22 chris yes
19:22 chris[…]heads/new/bug3652
19:22 jcamins That's a lot of changes.
19:22 chris feel free to test it out
19:23 chris[…]2b3a169c20df31966
19:23 chris is the changes
19:24 owen Looks like my work on the staff client doesn't have too many conflicts either
19:25 chris owen: sweet, when you submit that, ill push it to the same branch
19:30 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5430: Add Control number as option to OPACSearchForTitleIn <[…]d6041969749a8a8dd>
19:30 hudsonbot Starting build 174 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS)
19:31 nengard 100 commit emails down - 200 to go ... manual updates a plenty :)
19:32 owen nengard++
19:32 nengard i keep waiting for the time that I update the wrong edition of the manual ....
19:32 nengard this is the first time i've had to juggle two versions
19:33 jcamins manual?
19:33 ibot manual is at
19:33 jcamins I love that!
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19:37 nengard hehe
19:39 wizzyrea manual pdf?
19:39 ibot rumour has it manual pdf is found at[…]a3-2manual-en.pdf
19:40 wizzyrea jcamins?
19:40 ibot it has been said that jcamins is supposed to be an outstanding cook.
19:40 * chris_n tosses ibot a cookie
19:42 wizzyrea ibot: botsnack grape nuts
19:42 ibot :)
19:44 chris_n hudson?
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19:46 richard hi
19:46 chris hi richard
19:46 chris_n hi richard
19:46 richard heya chris
19:46 richard and chris_n
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19:47 gmcharlt hudson is my bestest bot-buddy ever
19:47 gmcharlt hudson?
19:47 ibot i heard hudson was your bestest bot-buddy ever
19:48 gmcharlt hudson is Koha's continuous integration server,
19:48 jcamins hudson?
19:48 ibot i think hudson is gmcharlt's bestest bot-buddy ever
19:48 gmcharlt hmm
19:48 gmcharlt not quite what I had in mind
19:48 gmcharlt hudson?
19:48 ibot i think hudson is your bestest bot-buddy ever
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19:48 richard ibot: hudson is also Koha's continuous integration server,
19:48 ibot okay, richard.
19:49 gmcharlt hudson?
19:49 ibot i heard hudson was your bestest bot-buddy ever or Koha's continuous integration server,
19:49 gmcharlt hudson is Koha's continuous integration server,
19:49 gmcharlt hudson?
19:49 ibot rumour has it hudson is Koha's continuous integration server,
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19:53 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #174: SUCCESS in 23 min: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]/Koha_Master/174/
19:53 hudsonbot Katrin Fischer: Bug 5430: Add Control number as option to OPACSearchForTitleIn
20:01 owen chris: Staff client patch for Bug 3652 sent
20:01 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3652 critical, P5, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, XSS vulnerabilities
20:02 chris cool thanks
20:13 chris pushed up to branch new/bug3652
20:14 owen It's a wide-ranging change. Difficult to test :|
20:16 slef Does anyone know how self-issue machines implement diacriticals and other non-ASCII characters over SIP? It doesn't seem to be specified in the 3M protocols.
20:16 gmcharlt slef: it's all over the map
20:16 gmcharlt various between devices that will accept anything that you throw at them (may not display diacritics correctly, though)
20:16 gmcharlt and others that may insist on particular character encodings
20:16 slef gmcharlt: deep joy.  So again, I get to watch tcpdump to see what the client tries?  Any idea how Koha behaves?
20:19 wizzyrea slef: I have a 3M emulator here
20:20 gmcharlt slef: IIRC Koha just passes any UTF-8 characters over as is
20:20 slef wizzyrea: can you give it a patron card whose owner has a non-ASCII name?
20:21 wizzyrea I think so, gimme a min
20:22 trea slef: the library in basehor, ks i helped set up used 3M self issue machines; normally the client goes into a "maintenance mode" generic error screen when scanning diacriticals, specifically when scanning an item.
20:23 trea i don't recall it's behavior while scanning a patron card
20:23 slef trea: :-(
20:23 trea but chances are good i'd wager the same behavior out of patron cards as well
20:24 wizzyrea I can verify that actually, when given a card number with a + on the end, the sip connection hangs
20:25 wizzyrea as well as if there is a diacritic in any data that is passed back and forth (name, street, etc)
20:26 wizzyrea I bet we can access logs from the machines if that would help though, slef
20:27 slef wizzyrea: :-(  Do you think koha needs to have an option to transliterate for SIP or something?
20:28 trea can you elaborate?
20:28 trea slef:
20:28 gmcharlt slef: an option to strip diacritics no doubt would help
20:29 wizzyrea ^^ what he said
20:29 slef trea: so ĉ becomes cx, and things like that.
20:29 slef gmcharlt: must we strip? Do we already depend on iconv? (/me checks)
20:30 slef yes, we already require Text::Iconv
20:31 gmcharlt slef: yep, allowing one to specify a character conversion would be more flexible; figuring out *what* encoding to use for a given device could be tricky
20:31 slef trea: Transliteration is the practice of transcribing a word or text written in one writing system into another writing system or system of rules for such practice. From a linguistic point of view, transliteration is a mapping from one system of writing into another, word by word, or ideally letter by letter. Transliteration attempts to be exact, so that an informed reader should be...
20:31 slef
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20:34 slef slacker.
20:34 ebegin ibot doesn't know about logbot? ;)
20:34 ibot ebegin: what?
20:34 owen So, am I the only one who didn't know that in the "User Request for update of Record" the changed fields have an all-caps label?
20:34 slef ibot: you heard!
20:34 ibot slef: i'm not following you...
20:35 slef owen: I certainly didn't. :)
20:35 chris i didnt know that either
20:35 slef heh, secret features. one for nengard.
20:35 slef unless it's in the manual already
20:35 owen if($borrowerfield eq $newfield) { ... } else { $message .= uc($field)
20:35 slef where's the manual?
20:35 ibot the manual is, like, at
20:35 slef ibot: ta
20:35 ibot slef: huh?
20:36 owen I was just going over the code hoping to be able to add a feature that would highlight the changed fields!
20:36 owen The trouble is it seems to always give a false positive on a few fields
20:36 owen Address, emailaddress, b-address
20:39 * owen sees an easy fix for the email false positive
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21:11 chris ok, and its fully back now
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21:44 slef chris: well done.
21:46 jcamins Good night, #koha
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21:53 chris heya Nate
21:53 Nate hiya chris!
22:02 chris Nate: hows things going?
22:03 Nate great! pretty hectic though, but thats a good thing
22:03 chris yup
22:03 Nate how bout you?
22:03 chris the same :)
22:04 Nate 1600 NZ pics
22:04 wizzyrea flickr or it didn't happen ;)
22:04 wizzyrea unless you're naked. Then you can keep them to yourself.
22:04 chris cripes!
22:06 Nate HA
22:06 Nate flickr will happen but i need to get them on the computer first!
22:07 chris hehe
22:11 chris did you make it to all the places you wanted to go to?
22:15 russ heya nate
22:16 Nate Hey Russ!
22:16 Nate how goes it?
22:16 russ not bad
22:17 russ i second wizzyrea's call for flickr
22:17 * russ bets that you guys went places most of us kiwis havent even been yet
22:18 Nate :)
22:18 Nate yeah im def. gonna work on getting those up
22:18 chris i think they went to every single vineyard
22:19 Nate pretty much :)
22:19 russ nice
22:19 Nate i had to carry tow libby back to the homestay!
22:19 chris hehe
22:19 chris boosting the local economy, its all good
22:23 Nate yeah for you guys!
22:24 chris heh
22:38 bfleming @wunder Livingston Montana
22:38 munin bfleming: The current temperature in Livingston, Montana is -15.0�C (3:06 PM MST on November 24, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: -20.0�C. Windchill: -27.0�C. Pressure: 29.75 in 1007 hPa (Rising). Winter Weather Advisory in effect until 5 PM MST Thursday...
22:38 bfleming so...very...cold
22:38 chris thats stupid cold :)
22:39 bfleming nah, last night was -28c
22:39 chris yeah, thats beyond stupid
22:39 bfleming This is balmy by comparison
22:43 chris!/jransom/[…]/7564820060569601
22:43 chris jo and I try to bribe people to heckle stephen abram
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22:50 cfouts greetings, #koha
22:50 chris heya
22:50 cfouts can anyone who's not away preparing turkey explain the purpose of this:
22:50 cfouts RewriteCond %{QUERY_STRING} (.*?)(?:[A-Za-z0-9_-]+)=&(.*)
22:50 cfouts RewriteRule (.+) $1?%1%2 [N,R,NE]
22:50 cfouts in the httpd-conf?
22:52 chris the rest of the rules are important too
22:52 chris that first one is a regex
22:52 cfouts it has the effect of issuing a redirect to another URL with contiguous value-less variables being concatenated
22:53 chris was something liblime did back in the day to allow people to craft urls like
22:53 cfouts such that "defaults_items.booksellerid=&defaults_items.code​d_location_qualifier=&defaults_items.price=10.00" becomes "defaults_items.defaults_items.defaul​ts_items.defaults_items.price=10.00"
22:53 chris
22:54 chris was before my time at liblime, and yours as well :)
22:54 cfouts very much so
22:54 cfouts so many mysteries
22:54 chris yes, theres no reason to have that rewrite in the intranet
22:54 chris it provided the start of a nicer interface to the opac
22:55 cfouts I see. so it was an early RESTish sort of interface
22:55 chris yup
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22:56 cait hi #koha
22:56 chris hi cait
22:56 cait hi chris :)
22:57 chris cfouts:
22:57 chris it still sorta works
22:58 chris heh that didnt work
22:58 chris try hitting
23:01 cfouts that's interesting
23:08 cfouts that's an old VMware instance, apparently been repurposed.
23:09 chris heh
23:10 cait slef: around?
23:11 cait chris, cfouts: what are you playing?
23:12 cait @later tell slef afaik our self check handles diacritics correctly - probably even hebrew titles
23:12 munin cait: The operation succeeded.
23:13 cait I worried a lot about hte self check before we went into production -  but it really works great :) I love to watch the students when I am at the library for training.
23:14 cfouts cait: doing an archeological survey of Apache RewriteRules defined by default in Koha
23:14 cait wow
23:14 cait sounds like fun :)
23:15 cfouts there's a reason the party follows us
23:16 jcamins_a Woohoo! RewriteRule party in Koha-land!
23:20 chris cfouts: wanna see some even older stuff?
23:20 cait hi jcamins
23:20 cait there was something I wanted to tell you...
23:20 chris check out round line 116 in
23:20 cait ah, we reelased 2.6 million records in marc21 ;)
23:20 * cfouts is afraid
23:21 chris its all commented out
23:21 cait cc0
23:21 * cait was reading back in the logs
23:21 cait but you perhaps not even remember the discussion :)
23:23 jcamins_a is now known as jcamins
23:23 jcamins cait++
23:23 cait it was not my idea - but I thought perhaps it would make you happy
23:24 druthb cait++ #for lotsa reasons.
23:24 jcamins Very. :D
23:26 cait druthb. hmpf!
23:26 druthb hmpf!  :P
23:31 magnus_a is now known as magnus
23:31 magnus good night #koha!
23:31 chris night magnus
23:31 magnus left #koha
23:33 * chris ducks out for lunch
23:36 moodaepo @wunder 56001
23:36 munin moodaepo: The current temperature in MSU Physics Dept, Mankato, Minnesota is -0.1�C (5:36 PM CST on November 24, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: -0.0�C. Windchill: 0.0�C. Pressure: 29.66 in 1004.3 hPa (Steady). Winter Weather Advisory in effect until midnight CST tonight...
23:37 * druthb shivers
23:37 druthb @wunder 20852
23:37 munin druthb: The current temperature in Flower Valley, Rockville, Maryland is 5.1�C (6:33 PM EST on November 24, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: -3.0�C. Windchill: 5.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016.1 hPa (Steady).
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23:40 cait @wunder Konstanz
23:40 munin cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 1.3�C (12:40 AM CET on November 25, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: -0.0�C. Windchill: 1.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010.0 hPa (Steady).
23:40 * druthb hands cait a blanket.
23:41 cait thx
23:41 cait ok friends - time to sleep for me :)
23:41 cait see you in 8 hours
23:41 jcamins Good night cait.
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23:51 chris back
23:54 druthb is now known as drb_food

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