| Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
| 00:04 |
|
|
brendan_l left #koha |
| 00:13 |
|
|
sekjal left #koha |
| 00:42 |
|
|
Genji joined #koha |
| 00:43 |
|
Genji |
hiya.. whats the best way to log in a user so their session gets created, and then force them to make a selection, before they reach the search page? |
| 00:45 |
|
Genji |
and that selection gets saved into their session? |
| 01:05 |
|
chris |
no idea Genji |
| 01:05 |
|
chris |
nengard++ |
| 01:06 |
|
Genji |
my idea of doing it inside opac-main.pl .. doesn't seem to have worked. |
| 01:15 |
|
|
bob joined #koha |
| 01:16 |
|
bob |
hi, is there a fix/patch for the broken 'new' patron button in koha 3.2? |
| 01:18 |
|
bob |
or is not working for me due to certain needed admin settings? |
| 01:19 |
|
brendan |
have you created patron categories ? |
| 01:20 |
|
bob |
yep |
| 01:20 |
|
bob |
there are 3 categories |
| 01:21 |
|
brendan |
hmm... what browser are you using? |
| 01:21 |
|
bob |
ff 3.6.7 |
| 01:22 |
|
bob |
there are existing patrons set up as this worked fine when the koha was 3.0 |
| 01:22 |
|
bob |
but has stopped working on upgrade to 3.2 |
| 01:23 |
|
* bob |
tries with a diff browser |
| 01:23 |
|
chris |
yeah that doesnt happen normally |
| 01:23 |
|
chris |
what user are you logged in as? |
| 01:24 |
|
bob |
the main one - same login as db |
| 01:24 |
|
bob |
hmm, doesn't seem to work for me in chrome either |
| 01:25 |
|
chris |
yeah you should never do that (except to make a real user and make that a superlibrarian) to start |
| 01:25 |
|
chris |
but i dont think that is causing your problem |
| 01:25 |
|
bob |
i noted in the koha list someone else had the same issue |
| 01:26 |
|
bob |
and owen mentioned a patch - but the link was to anther issue |
| 01:26 |
|
chris |
im pretty sure jo would be ringing me constantly if they couldnt add borrowers :) |
| 01:26 |
|
bob |
indeed :) |
| 01:27 |
|
bob |
so it is odd - cause the koha i upgraded was a clean 3.0 (no hacks) |
| 01:27 |
|
bob |
to a 3.2 |
| 01:27 |
|
bob |
so it has me stumped |
| 01:28 |
|
bob |
is the 'new' button worked by javascript? |
| 01:29 |
|
chris |
it should be a dropdown |
| 01:29 |
|
chris |
when you click on it |
| 01:29 |
|
bob |
ah nothing drops down |
| 01:29 |
|
chris |
you should get a list of patron categories |
| 01:29 |
|
chris |
you might want to just check them |
| 01:29 |
|
chris |
/cgi-bin/koha/admin/categorie.pl |
| 01:30 |
|
bob |
i have 3 |
| 01:30 |
|
bob |
and they look ok |
| 01:30 |
|
chris |
click on one of them |
| 01:30 |
|
chris |
what category type is it? |
| 01:31 |
|
bob |
one is adult |
| 01:31 |
|
bob |
one is child and 3rd is staff |
| 01:31 |
|
chris |
right, try just saving it |
| 01:31 |
|
chris |
for kicks |
| 01:31 |
|
chris |
see if that makes any difference |
| 01:31 |
|
bob |
nope |
| 01:31 |
|
|
ray joined #koha |
| 01:34 |
|
brendan |
the new button IRC uses the YUI package - is that right chris? |
| 01:35 |
|
ray |
good day! |
| 01:35 |
|
brendan |
bob what do you have set for your system preference --> yuipath |
| 01:36 |
|
ray |
is there a possiblity to add an image link inside the link section of the opac? how? |
| 01:36 |
|
bob |
brendan - where will i find that? |
| 01:36 |
|
brendan |
look in your global system preferences and you can search those too - search for yui |
| 01:37 |
|
bob |
ta |
| 01:37 |
|
bob |
says 'included with koha' |
| 01:40 |
|
brendan |
sorry out of thoughts |
| 01:45 |
|
bob |
chatting to chris in another window - he recons my setup is spazzing on returning the lists of patrons for the 'new' button fro some reason |
| 01:48 |
|
chris |
yeah |
| 01:48 |
|
chris |
ray: and have it show as an image? |
| 01:48 |
|
chris |
like in the 856u field of the MARC? |
| 01:50 |
|
|
ray left #koha |
| 02:01 |
|
|
sekjal joined #koha |
| 02:15 |
|
* jcamins_a |
looks at the scrollback and gives up |
| 02:16 |
|
|
ray joined #koha |
| 02:17 |
|
ray |
good day! |
| 02:17 |
|
jcamins_a |
Good evening. |
| 02:17 |
|
|
jcamins_a is now known as jcamins |
| 02:18 |
|
thd |
chris: I had asked the wrong question of hdl earlier |
| 02:18 |
|
ray |
is koha already capable of sending circulation notices upon installation? |
| 02:19 |
|
thd |
chris: Had hdl described the conditions under which an ordinary search produces no result set from Zebra? |
| 02:19 |
|
ray |
will I configure it first to send notices? |
| 02:20 |
|
jcamins |
ray: I don't really know anything about this, but I do know you have to have an smtp server set up. |
| 02:21 |
|
jcamins |
Something like Postfix. |
| 02:21 |
|
chris |
ray: yeah and some cronjobs |
| 02:21 |
|
chris |
thd: not that im aware of |
| 02:21 |
|
|
johnindep joined #koha |
| 02:21 |
|
ray |
oops... a bit tricky |
| 02:22 |
|
thd |
chris: there is a general case of failure for no record set when using ICU but I think that is small or we all would have quit Zebra long ago |
| 02:23 |
|
richard |
thd: anthony mao might have some info on that. i saw his instructions for setting up koha for chinese = nozebra plus a change to the search script |
| 02:23 |
|
ray |
could you give sites which i can use as references? |
| 02:24 |
|
thd |
richard: he was avoiding Zebra for Chinese? |
| 02:24 |
|
richard |
yep |
| 02:24 |
|
chris |
ray: you know how to set up a mailserver under linux? |
| 02:24 |
|
richard |
thd: i think i've got a url to his set up in an email somewhere |
| 02:24 |
|
richard |
i'll see if i can hunt it up |
| 02:25 |
|
ray |
i don't know.. can i use apt-get in command line? or synaptic? |
| 02:25 |
|
jcamins |
ray: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Postfix |
| 02:25 |
|
jcamins |
It doesn't matter if you're on Debian or Ubuntu. The instructions will help. :) |
| 02:26 |
|
ray |
ok |
| 02:26 |
|
thd |
richard: I have had problems searching some Japanese Z39.50 servers using Yaz but I presumed a problem at the server and not with Yaz as other Japanese Z39.50 servers searched using Yaz had no problem. |
| 02:26 |
|
chris |
and then in misc/cronjobs/ |
| 02:26 |
|
chris |
there is a crontab.example file |
| 02:26 |
|
chris |
(in koha) |
| 02:27 |
|
chris |
the SEND EMAILS line |
| 02:27 |
|
ray |
ok thank you very much! |
| 02:27 |
|
chris |
and the environment variables .. .plus the rebuild_zebra one are probably the ones you care about the most |
| 02:28 |
|
richard |
thd: here's his instructions for installing koha for chinese - http://koha.wikispaces.com/koha-301-git |
| 02:28 |
|
richard |
i think changes to Search.pm as well |
| 02:29 |
|
richard |
http://koha.wikispaces.com/file/view/Search.pm |
| 02:32 |
|
jcamins |
Well that's absurd. |
| 02:32 |
|
* jcamins |
just finished catching up on Koha e-mail |
| 02:32 |
|
chris |
which bit? |
| 02:33 |
|
chris |
it was a bit of an absurd day |
| 02:33 |
|
thd |
richard: I think the core problem which Anthony Mao had been addressing is the form lack of any Unicode support in Zebra. Anthony Mao could not use Zebra originally and may never have tried properly later. |
| 02:33 |
|
jcamins |
The bit by our favorite, and highly active... |
| 02:33 |
|
jcamins |
wait... |
| 02:33 |
|
jcamins |
our favorite... |
| 02:33 |
|
thd |
s/form/former/ |
| 02:34 |
|
chris |
ahh yeah, that was absurd, ... both of the mails |
| 02:34 |
|
richard |
thd: that could well be right. |
| 02:35 |
|
thd |
richard: I had contacted him about the need to add Unicode support to Zebra when fredericd had raised it as an issue. |
| 02:36 |
|
thd |
richard: Anthony Mao had moved on without Zebra and was less interested than he might have been otherwise in a Unicode fix for Zebra. |
| 02:38 |
|
richard |
right. i guess if you have got a system that works for you, it takes the pressure/need off for changing it. |
| 02:38 |
|
chris |
chris_n++ |
| 02:38 |
|
thd |
The bugs in the ICU implementation may be in Yaz which would be much worse than merely a problem in Zebra, |
| 02:39 |
|
thd |
We need Yaz as a Z39.50/SRU client because we have no other such client with Perl bindings. |
| 02:41 |
|
* chris_n |
will now go and bite his tongue |
| 02:53 |
|
chris |
heh |
| 02:54 |
|
chris |
thd: i dont think they are |
| 02:54 |
|
chris |
but thats just conjecture |
| 02:54 |
|
chris |
a LOT of libraries, including library of congress use yaz |
| 02:55 |
|
chris |
(yaz-proxy sits in front of their voyager to make the z3950 actually work) |
| 02:55 |
|
thd |
chris: yes of course, and I have tested Yaz greatly or so I thought for character set support |
| 02:56 |
|
thd |
chris: I merely saw something about the ICU code being in Yaz |
| 02:56 |
|
thd |
Maybe Yaz never uses the ICU code on its own. |
| 02:56 |
|
chris |
i still feel like most of our problesm with zebra |
| 02:56 |
|
chris |
are actually problems with C4/Search |
| 02:57 |
|
thd |
That could be. |
| 02:57 |
|
|
pianohack joined #koha |
| 02:57 |
|
thd |
It would be very expensive to hire Index Data to fix a problem which was actually in Koha and not in Index Data code. |
| 02:57 |
|
chris |
heya college boy |
| 02:57 |
|
chris |
:) |
| 02:57 |
|
pianohack |
Hey chris! |
| 02:58 |
|
chris |
indeed |
| 02:58 |
|
sekjal |
evening, pianohack! |
| 02:58 |
|
chris |
thd: and C4/Search is broken in numerous other ways, id still love to see that rewritten for 3.4 |
| 02:58 |
|
pianohack |
Tomorrow's lecture is on not getting "structure" and "version" confused |
| 02:59 |
|
chris |
ohh good timing :) |
| 02:59 |
|
* chris_n |
thought gmcharlt had taken on the C4::Search rewrite task :) |
| 02:59 |
|
thd |
pianohack: where have you matriculated? |
| 02:59 |
|
pianohack |
thd: School of Mines here in colorado. Fun school, though it keeps me pretty busy :) |
| 03:00 |
|
pianohack |
Lots of other geeky people, so much more fun than a normal college |
| 03:00 |
|
chris |
chris_n: he volunteered, he may have stopped with the crazy pills and reconsidered though :) |
| 03:00 |
|
chris |
apparently ppl pour salt on desks there a lot |
| 03:00 |
|
pianohack |
chris: right, I was going to say, maybe he decided to join sisyphus at a different rock |
| 03:00 |
|
pianohack |
Hahahahaha |
| 03:00 |
|
pianohack |
Yes |
| 03:00 |
|
pianohack |
One girl did the salt, the other did the... scenery |
| 03:01 |
|
chris |
hehe |
| 03:02 |
|
brendan |
heya pianohack |
| 03:02 |
|
thd |
pianohack: KohaCon 2006 was in École Nationale Supérieure des Mines de Paris |
| 03:02 |
|
pianohack |
Hey brendan |
| 03:02 |
|
brendan |
woohoo - I got it right this time too |
| 03:02 |
|
pianohack |
thd: Oh, wow |
| 03:02 |
|
chris |
yeah i gots pictures to proove it |
| 03:02 |
|
pianohack |
brendan: You can't get it quite right, because of the IRC name length gestapo, but that's close enough ;) |
| 03:02 |
|
chris |
-o |
| 03:03 |
|
brendan |
ok pianohacker (I liked that one too) |
| 03:03 |
|
pianohack |
brendan: How's it going? |
| 03:03 |
|
brendan |
going great |
| 03:03 |
|
brendan |
no sure if you know or knew we've got a baby girl on the way in december |
| 03:03 |
|
thd |
pianohack: ENSMP was one of the earliest customers of paul_p |
| 03:04 |
|
pianohack |
Our school of mines isn't quite so lucky, stuck on exlibris |
| 03:04 |
|
chris |
http://opensource.califa.org/node/266 |
| 03:04 |
|
chris |
brendan: you might want to comment |
| 03:04 |
|
pianohack |
Academic library, though, they tend to be a bit conservative |
| 03:04 |
|
chris |
So 3.03.00.02 == 3.3.0.2 == Koha 3.2 (with some additional patches that ByWater has uploaded). |
| 03:05 |
|
chris |
isnt quite right :) |
| 03:05 |
|
chris |
that would be 3.3.0 |
| 03:05 |
|
brendan |
doesn't seem to be - will have to go and read it |
| 03:05 |
|
thd |
ENSMP has a head librarian with very broad views |
| 03:05 |
|
chris |
yeah at the mo its a confusinating post :) |
| 03:05 |
|
sekjal |
dang it |
| 03:06 |
|
chris |
i think she means 3.02.00.02 |
| 03:06 |
|
chris |
master is running 3.03.00.02 |
| 03:06 |
|
chris |
which is 3.3 .. i may even do a 3.3.x release |
| 03:07 |
|
chris |
probably will at 5 montsh |
| 03:07 |
|
chris |
3.3.99.xxx |
| 03:07 |
|
sekjal |
I was the one who explained versioning to her |
| 03:07 |
|
sekjal |
she was curious about what version the ByWater demo is on |
| 03:07 |
|
chris |
leading up to 3.4 (instead of alphas and betas) |
| 03:07 |
|
sekjal |
we've got it on HEAD currently |
| 03:07 |
|
chris |
yeah |
| 03:07 |
|
sekjal |
so 3.03.00.02 |
| 03:07 |
|
chris |
so 3.3 |
| 03:07 |
|
brendan |
heh - yeah it's 3.3 |
| 03:08 |
|
chris |
i mean its currently pretty darn close to 3.2 |
| 03:08 |
|
chris |
but it does have a couple of new features already |
| 03:08 |
|
sekjal |
we have NOT loaded any additional patches |
| 03:08 |
|
sekjal |
it's just pure Koha |
| 03:08 |
|
brendan |
heh - Linux debian.bywater-gallagher.net 2.6.24-24-xen |
| 03:08 |
|
chris |
*sigh* |
| 03:08 |
|
chris |
its even more confusinating them |
| 03:08 |
|
brendan |
I guess a long time ago I screwed with the hostnames |
| 03:09 |
|
chris |
id ask her to take it down i think |
| 03:09 |
|
brendan |
gallagher.net (wonder if that goes anywhere) |
| 03:09 |
|
chris |
or fix it ;) |
| 03:09 |
|
sekjal |
I'll message her |
| 03:09 |
|
chris |
http://gallagher.net/ |
| 03:09 |
|
chris |
hehe |
| 03:10 |
|
chris_n |
g'night |
| 03:10 |
|
brendan |
I feel that my father should by such a domain |
| 03:10 |
|
brendan |
night chris_n |
| 03:10 |
|
chris |
night chris_n |
| 03:11 |
|
|
wizzyrea_ joined #koha |
| 03:11 |
|
chris |
its wizzyrea_ ! |
| 03:11 |
|
wizzyrea_ |
hi :) |
| 03:11 |
|
brendan |
heya wizzyrea_ |
| 03:11 |
|
wizzyrea_ |
how is everybody |
| 03:12 |
|
jcamins |
Hello wizzyrea_. |
| 03:12 |
|
richard |
hi wizzyrea |
| 03:12 |
|
jcamins |
Why did I say "assiduously"? |
| 03:12 |
|
wizzyrea_ |
"follow the directions assiduously and you should have few issues" |
| 03:13 |
|
chris |
heh |
| 03:13 |
|
robin |
well, it's correct use of the word |
| 03:13 |
|
jcamins |
Ah. |
| 03:13 |
|
jcamins |
Right. |
| 03:13 |
|
jcamins |
I knew I had used the word recently, I just couldn't remember when. |
| 03:14 |
|
wizzyrea_ |
I just appreciated its usage |
| 03:14 |
|
wizzyrea_ |
less lol and more yay |
| 03:14 |
|
jcamins |
Your remark sounded complimentary, I just had no idea when I'd said it. |
| 03:15 |
|
wizzyrea_ |
< english major :P |
| 03:15 |
|
* jcamins |
too |
| 03:18 |
|
chris |
well although the day started retarded |
| 03:18 |
|
chris |
i think that the work on commenting on rfcs, and the proposed rules redeemed it somewhat |
| 03:19 |
|
wizzyrea_ |
woooot! |
| 03:19 |
|
chris |
im certainly less depressed now than i was during hte meeting |
| 03:19 |
|
jcamins |
chris: you should use my strategy for depressing meetings... get lost about ten minutes in, and just give up on the scrollback. |
| 03:19 |
|
chris |
and because i have an instinctual urge never to be too serious |
| 03:20 |
|
chris |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]pport_for_NORMARC |
| 03:20 |
|
thd |
chris: There are too many other things about which to be depressed :) |
| 03:21 |
|
wizzyrea_ |
lol |
| 03:21 |
|
jcamins |
chris: my cat says if you want to make the world a happier place, you could send him a Kiwi sheep to play with. He's sure it would be a great toy. :) |
| 03:21 |
|
chris |
heh |
| 03:22 |
|
chris |
i suspect that soon people will be saying, why did we want chris c to comment, hes a dick |
| 03:22 |
|
chris |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]k:EAN_reading_RFC |
| 03:22 |
|
wizzyrea_ |
lol |
| 03:22 |
|
wizzyrea_ |
ugh what is wrong with stupid yahoo's openid's lately |
| 03:23 |
|
wizzyrea_ |
half the time it doesn't work |
| 03:23 |
|
* wizzyrea_ |
stomps and pouts |
| 03:23 |
|
chris |
oh yeah, i noticed that |
| 03:23 |
|
chris |
we should make a koha-community openid server |
| 03:23 |
|
wizzyrea_ |
...best idea ever |
| 03:23 |
|
ray |
where can i adjust the rental charge in koha? |
| 03:23 |
|
* jcamins |
has an even better idea! |
| 03:24 |
|
wizzyrea_ |
follow the recipe? |
| 03:24 |
|
chris |
ray: on the itemtypes page |
| 03:24 |
|
jcamins |
Let's find out who has the time to set up the openid server, and make them fix bugs in Koha. :D |
| 03:24 |
|
chris |
in administration |
| 03:24 |
|
chris |
or, it might be the circulation rules |
| 03:24 |
|
chris |
its on the the admin page anyway :) |
| 03:24 |
|
ray |
ok tnx! |
| 03:24 |
|
jcamins |
wizzyrea_: follow the recipe? What fun is that? |
| 03:25 |
|
wizzyrea_ |
have you seen ratatouille? |
| 03:25 |
|
|
pianohack left #koha |
| 03:25 |
|
jcamins |
wizzyrea_: nope. |
| 03:25 |
|
chris |
http://ownopenidserver.com/ |
| 03:25 |
|
wizzyrea_ |
itypes |
| 03:25 |
|
wizzyrea_ |
http://koha-community.org/docu[…]?ch=x2959#AEN3047 |
| 03:25 |
|
chris |
easy peasy |
| 03:25 |
|
jcamins |
I was told I'd enjoy it, though. |
| 03:25 |
|
wizzyrea_ |
you would it's cute |
| 03:26 |
|
wizzyrea_ |
not just a movie for kids, though kids seem to love it |
| 03:26 |
|
wizzyrea_ |
anyway |
| 03:29 |
|
|
pianohack joined #koha |
| 03:29 |
|
wizzyrea_ |
ph! <big hug> missed you at kohacon |
| 03:48 |
|
pianohack |
Hallo wizzyrea |
| 03:49 |
|
jcamins |
Hey, there's a new version of umlaut out! |
| 03:49 |
|
jcamins |
Shiny! |
| 03:53 |
|
|
richard left #koha |
| 04:00 |
|
|
Oak joined #koha |
| 04:01 |
|
Oak |
\o |
| 04:03 |
|
wizzyrea_ |
hi oak |
| 04:03 |
|
Oak |
hiya wizzyrea_ |
| 04:05 |
|
sekjal |
goodnight, #koha |
| 04:05 |
|
|
sekjal left #koha |
| 04:10 |
|
|
pianohack left #koha |
| 04:18 |
|
jcamins |
Good night, #koha |
| 04:18 |
|
|
jcamins is now known as jcamins_a |
| 04:24 |
|
chris |
Its the twilight area, europe still asleep north america about to sleeo |
| 04:27 |
|
wizzyrea_ |
oooeeeoooo |
| 04:28 |
|
chris |
Hehe |
| 04:28 |
|
chris |
India should be on soon |
| 04:29 |
|
chris |
Amit kmkale indradg etc |
| 04:37 |
|
|
Oak left #koha |
| 04:51 |
|
|
bob left #koha |
| 04:58 |
|
brendan |
ah time to engage vpn catch you all in a little bit |
| 05:01 |
|
brendan |
blocked - so I'm still here ;) |
| 05:15 |
|
|
indradg left #koha |
| 05:18 |
|
|
indradg joined #koha |
| 05:36 |
|
indradg |
good morning #kohs |
| 05:36 |
|
indradg |
oops |
| 05:36 |
|
indradg |
#koha |
| 05:37 |
|
* indradg |
can't believe he actually fell asleep when gmcharlt was about to move to agenda item #4 :( |
| 05:39 |
|
chris |
hehe |
| 05:39 |
|
chris |
you can read the logs |
| 05:39 |
|
chris |
what was #4? |
| 05:39 |
|
indradg |
chris, TC |
| 05:40 |
|
* indradg |
reading logs |
| 05:50 |
|
chris |
ah yeah,you didnt miss much :) |
| 05:55 |
|
|
ray left #koha |
| 06:06 |
|
|
cait joined #koha |
| 06:07 |
|
cait |
hi #koha |
| 06:07 |
|
chris |
hiya cait |
| 06:09 |
|
|
bigbrovar joined #koha |
| 06:09 |
|
indradg |
hi cait |
| 06:10 |
|
|
wizzyrea_ left #koha |
| 06:11 |
|
cait |
hi indradg |
| 06:14 |
|
brendan |
heya cait and indradg |
| 06:14 |
|
cait |
hi brendan |
| 06:14 |
|
indradg |
hi brendan |
| 06:14 |
|
cait |
isn't this a strange time for you? |
| 06:15 |
|
brendan |
not really |
| 06:15 |
|
brendan |
it's 10:30 ;) |
| 06:15 |
|
cait |
oh |
| 06:21 |
|
cait |
7:30 am here |
| 06:21 |
|
cait |
hm 7:37 |
| 06:22 |
|
brendan |
heh |
| 06:22 |
|
chris |
hmm speaking strange |
| 06:22 |
|
brendan |
yeah I'm in a little bit late tonight |
| 06:22 |
|
chris |
i dont really understand this |
| 06:22 |
|
brendan |
I should be here for a long time more |
| 06:22 |
|
chris |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Con2011_Proposals |
| 06:23 |
|
cait |
aq |
| 06:23 |
|
cait |
aw |
| 06:24 |
|
cait |
going without my koha friends for another year? |
| 06:24 |
|
chris |
yeah |
| 06:24 |
|
chris |
i think if you cant make it, it shouldnt be a reason not to have one |
| 06:25 |
|
brendan |
agreed or maybe others who didn't make will be able to make that one |
| 06:25 |
|
chris |
exactly |
| 06:25 |
|
cait |
I think the costs will vary each year, nz flight costs was probably the most expensive from europe this time, but england would be much cheaper for us |
| 06:25 |
|
chris |
yeah, usually we lose |
| 06:25 |
|
chris |
lost to france, lost to usa |
| 06:25 |
|
cait |
you said you will not organise another kohacon! |
| 06:25 |
|
chris |
its cheaper for pretty much everyone else |
| 06:25 |
|
chris |
yeah i dont mind travelling |
| 06:26 |
|
cait |
perhaps australia 2012? :) |
| 06:26 |
|
chris |
:) |
| 06:26 |
|
chris |
i was hoping india 2012 |
| 06:26 |
|
cait |
indian food... ok, I will work on that |
| 06:26 |
|
cait |
;) |
| 06:27 |
|
chris |
:) |
| 06:28 |
|
brendan |
yeah I love india |
| 06:41 |
|
|
pianohack joined #koha |
| 06:46 |
|
indradg |
yeah india wont be a bad place for 2012 |
| 06:47 |
|
indradg |
around late nov / early dec when its cooler |
| 06:47 |
|
indradg |
cait, brendan chris ^^^ |
| 06:47 |
|
cait |
cooler sounds good :) |
| 06:48 |
|
indradg |
@wunder new delhi |
| 06:48 |
|
munin |
indradg: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 26.0�C (12:00 PM IST on November 11, 2010). Conditions: Smoke. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Falling). |
| 06:48 |
|
indradg |
@wunder bangalore |
| 06:48 |
|
munin |
indradg: The current temperature in Bangalore, India is 26.0�C (11:30 AM IST on November 11, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 20.0�C. |
| 06:48 |
|
brendan |
@wunder 93117 |
| 06:48 |
|
munin |
brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 14.3�C (11:01 PM PST on November 10, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1015.8 hPa (Steady). Wind Advisory in effect until 3 am PST Thursday... |
| 06:48 |
|
indradg |
@wunder kolkata |
| 06:48 |
|
munin |
indradg: The current temperature in Kolkata, India is 31.0�C (12:20 PM IST on November 11, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: 18.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Falling). |
| 06:48 |
|
indradg |
@wunder chennai |
| 06:48 |
|
munin |
indradg: The current temperature in Chennai, India is 29.0�C (11:40 AM IST on November 11, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 25.0�C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). |
| 06:49 |
|
indradg |
@wunder hyderabad |
| 06:49 |
|
munin |
indradg: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 06:49 |
|
indradg |
how nice :P |
| 06:53 |
|
|
paul_p left #koha |
| 06:57 |
|
fredericd |
If I add a regression test on switch use, in which test file should I add it? |
| 07:01 |
|
chris |
fredericd: you might want to look at this |
| 07:01 |
|
chris |
http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?[…]s/heads/git-hooks |
| 07:02 |
|
chris |
the top 2 commits |
| 07:03 |
|
chris |
thats what im running, the git-hook will run all tests that start with 00 |
| 07:04 |
|
fredericd |
So a file named 00deprecated.t would do it? |
| 07:04 |
|
chris |
yeah that would be great |
| 07:05 |
|
chris |
i should submit my 00-load.t |
| 07:05 |
|
chris |
it works like this |
| 07:07 |
|
fredericd |
yes it would help to have already this file... thks |
| 07:10 |
|
pastebot |
"chris" at 203.97.214.51 pasted "rorohiko:[git/test-]:~/git/koh" (3 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/91 |
| 07:12 |
|
pastebot |
"chris" at 203.97.214.51 pasted "# Failed test 'use C4::Account" (6 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/92 |
| 07:13 |
|
|
bigbrovar left #koha |
| 07:13 |
|
chris |
so basic syntax errors get caught :) left over conflict markers etc :) |
| 07:16 |
|
|
cait is now known as cait_a |
| 07:17 |
|
chris |
patch sent |
| 07:17 |
|
chris |
if you wanted to signoff on it, that would be great :) |
| 07:18 |
|
chris |
i think with your patch + colins patch, we have killed all the switch statements, so a test to stop them coming back would be great |
| 07:22 |
|
|
mihafan joined #koha |
| 07:22 |
|
mihafan |
hllo |
| 07:22 |
|
mihafan |
hello |
| 07:24 |
|
|
miguelxer left #koha |
| 07:25 |
|
Elwell |
what versions of Perl does koha tolerate? |
| 07:26 |
|
Elwell |
cos I guess changing switch => given / when is probably a bit new |
| 07:27 |
|
|
miguelxer joined #koha |
| 07:27 |
|
chris |
yeah given/when is too new |
| 07:27 |
|
chris |
3.2 was 5.8 |
| 07:28 |
|
chris |
the places we were using switch were trivially rewritten is if elsif anyway |
| 07:28 |
|
chris |
is=as |
| 07:32 |
|
chris |
personally i think we should be using quantum superpositions :) |
| 07:33 |
|
|
mihafan left #koha |
| 07:34 |
|
chris |
http://search.cpan.org/~dconwa[…]Superpositions.pm |
| 07:34 |
|
chris |
i love damian conway :) |
| 07:36 |
|
|
indradg left #koha |
| 07:38 |
|
Elwell |
heh |
| 07:55 |
|
|
pianohack left #koha |
| 08:08 |
|
|
Oak joined #koha |
| 08:10 |
|
|
bigbrovar joined #koha |
| 08:12 |
|
chris |
fredericd: thanks for the sign off and the new patch :) |
| 08:16 |
|
munin |
New commit(s) kohagit: Test modules compile <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]e3a11065f2802d51a> |
| 08:17 |
|
|
magnus joined #koha |
| 08:18 |
|
chris |
hi magnus |
| 08:18 |
|
magnus |
kia ora chris & #koha |
| 08:19 |
|
chris |
wanna learn a new greeting? |
| 08:19 |
|
chris |
when its morning for you, you can say |
| 08:19 |
|
chris |
ata marie |
| 08:20 |
|
chris |
which is 'peaceful morning' |
| 08:21 |
|
magnus |
cool, i'll try and remember that! ;-) |
| 08:21 |
|
chris |
po marie = good night (or peaceful night literal translation) |
| 08:21 |
|
chris |
so now you know the words for morning and night too :) |
| 08:22 |
|
magnus |
thanks |
| 08:22 |
|
|
ray joined #koha |
| 08:22 |
|
magnus |
and kia ora is all around the clock? |
| 08:22 |
|
chris |
yup |
| 08:23 |
|
magnus |
col |
| 08:23 |
|
chris |
ora = life |
| 08:23 |
|
magnus |
cool, even |
| 08:23 |
|
chris |
kia = have/ to have |
| 08:23 |
|
chris |
so you are saying 'have life' |
| 08:24 |
|
chris |
you can use it for hello, or thank you |
| 08:25 |
|
magnus |
ah, yas i was wondering if it was just hello |
| 08:25 |
|
magnus |
s/yas/yes/ |
| 08:25 |
|
|
ivanc joined #koha |
| 08:26 |
|
munin |
New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_5105' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]db28ec98c4520c528> / Bug 5105 Regression test for switch statement <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]1fada5351d0e9c29e> |
| 08:26 |
|
ivanc |
hi #koa |
| 08:26 |
|
chris |
hi ivanc |
| 08:26 |
|
|
hdl joined #koha |
| 08:26 |
|
ivanc |
hi chris |
| 08:30 |
|
hudsonbot |
Starting build 139 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 08:33 |
|
magnus |
hi ivanc |
| 08:43 |
|
|
ray left #koha |
| 08:49 |
|
ivanc |
hi magnus |
| 08:50 |
|
hudsonbot |
Project Koha_Master build #139: UNSTABLE in 20 min: http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]/Koha_Master/139/ |
| 08:50 |
|
hudsonbot |
* Chris Cormack: Test modules compile |
| 08:50 |
|
hudsonbot |
* Frédéric Demians: Bug 5105 Regression test for switch statement |
| 08:50 |
|
munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5105 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, colin.campbell, ASSIGNED, Switch Module Depreciated in perl 12 |
| 08:50 |
|
chris |
!hudson build koha_master now |
| 08:50 |
|
hudsonbot |
chris: job koha_master build scheduled now |
| 08:51 |
|
hudsonbot |
Starting build 140 for job Koha_Master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #138 10 hr ago) |
| 08:52 |
|
|
hdl left #koha |
| 08:56 |
|
chris |
colin++ |
| 09:01 |
|
|
miguelxer left #koha |
| 09:05 |
|
|
kmkale joined #koha |
| 09:05 |
|
kmkale |
hi all |
| 09:10 |
|
hudsonbot |
Yippie, build fixed! |
| 09:10 |
|
hudsonbot |
Project Koha_Master build #140: FIXED in 19 min: http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]/Koha_Master/140/ |
| 09:12 |
|
magnus |
yay! |
| 09:12 |
|
magnus |
hi kmkale |
| 09:14 |
|
chris |
1822 tests now |
| 09:17 |
|
larsw |
yay for tests |
| 09:18 |
|
kmkale |
hi magnus chris |
| 09:26 |
|
magnus |
could have been cool to have a graph showing the increase in number of tests over time |
| 09:34 |
|
chris |
hudson has one |
| 09:34 |
|
magnus |
hudson++ |
| 09:34 |
|
chris |
but it only goes back the last 7 builds |
| 09:34 |
|
magnus |
ah |
| 09:39 |
|
* Elwell |
starts a pile of POD cleanups |
| 09:39 |
|
magnus |
Elwell++ |
| 09:44 |
|
chris |
yay, see if you can add to the coverage |
| 09:44 |
|
chris |
http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ter/HTML_Report/? |
| 09:46 |
|
Elwell |
what's the metric it uses? |
| 09:47 |
|
chris |
http://search.cpan.org/~pjcj/D[…]ib/Devel/Cover.pm |
| 09:47 |
|
chris |
and |
| 09:47 |
|
chris |
http://search.cpan.org/~rclamp[…]b/Pod/Coverage.pm |
| 09:48 |
|
Elwell |
right now I'm just getting podchecker to run without errors / warnings |
| 09:48 |
|
chris |
that would help too |
| 09:49 |
|
chris |
if you could give some lines of bash |
| 09:49 |
|
chris |
i can make hudson run the podchecker too |
| 09:50 |
|
chris |
magnus: did you see my comment on normarc? |
| 09:51 |
|
magnus |
chris: "I hate MARC so let's add more"? i agree completely! ;-) |
| 09:52 |
|
chris |
:) |
| 09:52 |
|
Elwell |
interesting. 'file' claims alot of the .pm are 'awk script text' |
| 09:53 |
|
magnus |
chris: in my frustration i even started marc-must-die.info... |
| 09:54 |
|
chris |
yep, i saw that :) |
| 09:59 |
|
* braedon|h |
hides marc |
| 10:00 |
|
braedon|h |
leave the poor guy alone! It's not his fault his parents couldn't spell. |
| 10:02 |
|
|
kmkale left #koha |
| 10:05 |
|
magnus |
:-) |
| 10:06 |
|
* magnus |
has to go write some boring docs for a non-koha related project. sigh... |
| 10:17 |
|
|
chris_n` joined #koha |
| 10:17 |
|
|
kmkale joined #koha |
| 10:19 |
|
|
chris_n left #koha |
| 11:04 |
|
Elwell |
chris: bash to call podchecker: |
| 11:04 |
|
Elwell |
find . -type f | grep -v \.git/ | egrep -i '\.p[lm]$' | xargs podchecker 2>/tmp/pod.err |
| 11:05 |
|
Elwell |
well, 's what I'm using |
| 11:47 |
|
|
nengard joined #koha |
| 12:15 |
|
gmcharlt |
good morning |
| 12:26 |
|
|
Genji left #koha |
| 12:30 |
|
|
magnus is now known as magnus_a |
| 12:30 |
|
nengard |
morning |
| 12:32 |
|
cait_a |
hi gmcharlt and nengard |
| 12:33 |
|
Elwell |
right, once again I've forgotten the syntax for mailing patches. git commit -a ;????? ; git send email |
| 12:33 |
|
Elwell |
ah format patch |
| 12:39 |
|
|
druthb joined #koha |
| 12:41 |
|
gmcharlt |
Elwell: is there a bug for POD correction? |
| 12:41 |
|
Elwell |
uhm, prob not, want me to open one? |
| 12:42 |
|
* cait_a |
waves to druthb |
| 12:42 |
|
gmcharlt |
Elwell: yeah, please do |
| 12:42 |
|
* druthb |
waves to cait_a. :) |
| 12:42 |
|
gmcharlt |
I'll add the bug number to your patch's commit messages when I test and sign off on them |
| 12:43 |
|
Elwell |
meh, what was my bugzilla login |
| 12:46 |
|
nengard |
your email address is your username |
| 12:47 |
|
Elwell |
nengard: yeah I remembered password. gmcharlt: 5385 |
| 12:47 |
|
gmcharlt |
Elwell: thanks |
| 12:49 |
|
gmcharlt |
what are you using to check the POD? podchecker? |
| 12:49 |
|
Elwell |
yup |
| 12:50 |
|
Elwell |
and mk1 eyeball to see if perldoc ...... looks reasonable after |
| 12:51 |
|
gmcharlt |
Elwell: http://perldoc.koha-community.org/ |
| 12:51 |
|
Elwell |
ah ok - didn't know about that |
| 12:53 |
|
pastebot |
"gmcharlt" at 68.101.78.67 pasted "for Elwell - shouldn't the line of code be indented two spaces if you're removing the =over?" (11 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/94 |
| 12:57 |
|
Elwell |
=head2 get_heading_type_from_marc |
| 12:57 |
|
Elwell |
meh ooops |
| 12:58 |
|
Elwell |
it is -- are we looking at ./C4/AuthoritiesMarc/MARC21.pm ? |
| 12:59 |
|
gmcharlt |
yep, and I noticed other examples like that in your patch |
| 13:00 |
|
gmcharlt |
doh |
| 13:00 |
|
gmcharlt |
yeah, of course I wouldn't see it if I'm using git show -w |
| 13:00 |
|
gmcharlt |
never mind me |
| 13:01 |
|
Elwell |
phew. Thought I'd done a schoolboy error. Right gotta go AFK for a bit |
| 13:15 |
|
Oak |
http://www.npccomic.com/2010/1[…]0/hardware-check/ |
| 13:15 |
|
|
jwagner joined #koha |
| 13:20 |
|
|
sekjal joined #koha |
| 13:28 |
|
|
magnus_a is now known as magnus |
| 13:29 |
|
magnus |
hiya jwagner, sekjal et al |
| 13:29 |
|
|
druthb is now known as al |
| 13:29 |
|
|
al is now known as druthb |
| 13:29 |
|
druthb |
:) |
| 13:29 |
|
sekjal |
morning, magnus, druthb! |
| 13:29 |
|
|
ebegin joined #koha |
| 13:30 |
|
|
eric_b left #koha |
| 13:31 |
|
jwagner |
Hi all |
| 13:31 |
|
* druthb |
waves to jwagner and magnus and sekjal, serially. |
| 13:32 |
|
sekjal |
morning, jwagner |
| 13:33 |
|
* magnus |
waves to druthb |
| 13:34 |
|
|
chris_n` is now known as chris_n |
| 13:36 |
|
kmkale |
hi jwagner & druthb |
| 13:36 |
|
druthb |
hi, kmkale! :) |
| 13:40 |
|
jwagner |
hi kmkale & everyone |
| 13:44 |
|
hudsonbot |
Starting build 28 for job Koha_3.2.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 14:01 |
|
|
Barrc joined #koha |
| 14:03 |
|
hudsonbot |
Project Koha_3.2.x build #28: SUCCESS in 18 min: http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ob/Koha_3.2.x/28/ |
| 14:03 |
|
hudsonbot |
Chris Cormack: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_5105' into kcmaster |
| 14:10 |
|
magnus |
yay! |
| 14:12 |
|
cait_a |
hm? |
| 14:14 |
|
magnus |
just cheering for hudson ;-) |
| 14:17 |
|
|
druthb left #koha |
| 14:18 |
|
|
druthb joined #koha |
| 14:19 |
|
cait_a |
ah, he deserves it :) |
| 14:20 |
|
|
bigbrovar left #koha |
| 14:26 |
|
|
cfouts joined #koha |
| 14:36 |
|
|
jcamins_a is now known as jcamins |
| 14:36 |
|
* jcamins |
curses the MTA roundly |
| 14:36 |
|
* jcamins |
also devoutly hopes that everyone else on #koha had a better trip into work than he did |
| 14:36 |
|
jcamins |
Good morning, #koha |
| 14:37 |
|
jwagner |
jcamins, I avoided that problem by working from home today :-) |
| 14:37 |
|
jcamins |
jwagner: smart. |
| 14:37 |
|
* druthb |
had a fine commute, if a little longer than usual. |
| 14:37 |
|
jcamins |
I was actually in a pretty good mood when I left home almost two hours ago. |
| 14:38 |
|
jcamins |
Then it took me an hour to get to Times Square. |
| 14:39 |
|
* cait_a |
hands jcamins a cookie |
| 14:39 |
|
jwagner |
jcamins, not so much smart as just dealing with the horrible head cold I've had since the flight home. No energy to go in to the office.... |
| 14:39 |
|
jcamins |
cait_a++ # for providing cheering cookies :) |
| 14:40 |
|
cait_a |
lol |
| 14:40 |
|
slef |
nengard: I think it would be more help if you updated any non-template-using RFCs to use the template, and put requests for clarification in the page itself, rather than on Talk: - I'm not sure you get notified about the Talk: page if you're Watch-ing the main page. |
| 14:41 |
|
slef |
nengard: what's the submission date for the newsletter? I'll write the RFC corner if you want if we can get that done and submission date is far enough away. |
| 14:41 |
|
nengard |
not hanging up on you - just about to head into webinar - will talk about how we can do it better when i return in a few hours |
| 14:41 |
|
nengard |
slef the 13th for newsletter -but this one is all conference stuff |
| 14:41 |
|
nengard |
ttyl |
| 14:41 |
|
|
nengard left #koha |
| 14:42 |
|
ivanc |
by all |
| 14:42 |
|
|
ivanc left #koha |
| 14:43 |
|
|
bigbrovar joined #koha |
| 14:49 |
|
jcamins |
slef: what does tech-ctte mean? |
| 14:49 |
|
jcamins |
Oh, that's the Debian abbreviation for Technical Committee? |
| 14:53 |
|
magnus |
and POC = Proof of Concept? |
| 14:53 |
|
cait_a |
I think so |
| 14:54 |
|
jcamins |
cait_a: what's the _a? |
| 14:54 |
|
|
wizzyrea_ joined #koha |
| 14:54 |
|
jcamins |
With me it means "away," but you're clearly here. ;) |
| 14:54 |
|
cait_a |
hmpf |
| 14:54 |
|
|
cait_a is now known as cait |
| 14:54 |
|
cait |
changed my name when I went back to sleep earlier |
| 14:55 |
|
jcamins |
cait: oh no! Has your cold gotten worse? |
| 14:56 |
|
cait |
it's ok, had a terrible headache when I woke up, but it's much better now |
| 15:13 |
|
|
trea joined #koha |
| 15:14 |
|
* chris_n |
hands cait a cup of hot chocolate |
| 15:14 |
|
wizzyrea_ |
ooooo cocoa |
| 15:15 |
|
cait |
yay |
| 15:15 |
|
cait |
thx chris_n :) |
| 15:15 |
|
trea |
man now i want cocoa, afk |
| 15:15 |
|
wizzyrea_ |
ok, I may be weird, but I loved the cocoa in NZ |
| 15:15 |
|
cait |
omg, I didn't try it there |
| 15:15 |
|
cait |
ah, no, I did |
| 15:15 |
|
cait |
the marshmellows were a bit strange |
| 15:37 |
|
wizzyrea_ |
I don't think I ever got any marshmellows |
| 15:37 |
|
wizzyrea_ |
spud did, he seemed to like them |
| 15:39 |
|
cait |
:) |
| 15:39 |
|
jcamins |
wizzyrea_: and did you ever worry that he wouldn't like a marshmallow? |
| 15:39 |
|
jcamins |
Strange or otherwise? ;) |
| 15:40 |
|
wizzyrea_ |
^.^ he is like a tiny food vacuum, if it's tasty, and put in front of him, he'll probably eat it |
| 15:40 |
|
magnus |
good on him! |
| 15:40 |
|
magnus |
wizzyrea_: how do you make that face? |
| 15:41 |
|
wizzyrea_ |
^ . ^ |
| 15:41 |
|
magnus |
^.^ |
| 15:41 |
|
wizzyrea_ |
caret dot caret |
| 15:41 |
|
magnus |
a ha |
| 15:41 |
|
druthb |
^.^ o.O |
| 15:41 |
|
cait |
ok, time to shop for some dinner - bbl! |
| 15:41 |
|
|
cait is now known as cait_a |
| 15:43 |
|
magnus |
colloquy displays it as a face with lots of black hair - hard to tell what it's supposed to convey - hardly lives up to the name of "emoticon"... |
| 15:44 |
|
wizzyrea_ |
supposedly it's the japanese version of :) |
| 15:44 |
|
|
nengard joined #koha |
| 15:46 |
|
jcamins |
Any UNIMARC users around? |
| 15:47 |
|
|
magnus is now known as magnus_a |
| 15:47 |
|
slef |
no, they don't really exist ;-) |
| 15:48 |
|
slef |
They are an imaginary thing sent to torture us. |
| 15:49 |
|
jcamins |
Hm. |
| 15:50 |
|
jcamins |
I'm looking at hdl's patch for UNIMARC support with the analytic code. |
| 15:51 |
|
jcamins |
Is there any implied relationship between the 001 field and the biblionumber? |
| 15:52 |
|
jcamins |
@marc 001 |
| 15:52 |
|
munin |
jcamins: The control number assigned by the organization creating, using, or distributing the record. The MARC code for the organization is contained in field 003 (Control Number Identifier). [] |
| 15:54 |
|
nengard |
self i'm back ... what was it you wanted me to do? :) |
| 15:54 |
|
nengard |
or slef (not self) |
| 15:55 |
|
wizzyrea_ |
i routinely greet myself |
| 15:57 |
|
jcamins |
cait_a: when you get back from dinner, I have questions about analytics. |
| 15:57 |
|
jcamins |
I'm writing part 1 of my magnum opus on "why you don't *really* want comments from jcamins." |
| 15:58 |
|
wizzyrea_ |
(teehee) |
| 15:58 |
|
jcamins |
(the subtitle is "we can do better!") |
| 16:03 |
|
nengard |
there was something i was gonna do when i finished training - but my brain is still shot and i have no idea what it was ..... |
| 16:04 |
|
jcamins |
nengard: something about template-izing non-template RFCs. |
| 16:05 |
|
jcamins |
I think. |
| 16:05 |
|
jcamins |
Didn't cait's analytic code get pushed into a branch on git.koha-community.org? |
| 16:05 |
|
nengard |
hehe -no i mean something for a customer - not the thing slef wanted me to do |
| 16:05 |
|
jcamins |
nengard: oh, okay. In that case, I have no idea. |
| 16:05 |
|
nengard |
hehe |
| 16:05 |
|
nengard |
why not? can't read my mind? |
| 16:06 |
|
* jcamins |
puts on his mindreading hat |
| 16:06 |
|
* jcamins |
tears it off immediately |
| 16:06 |
|
jcamins |
There's too much in your mind! ;) |
| 16:07 |
|
|
kmkale left #koha |
| 16:07 |
|
sekjal |
okay, anyone around got experience working with MARC::Record? |
| 16:08 |
|
jcamins |
sekjal: not much, but I'm always happy to offer guesses. ;) |
| 16:08 |
|
sekjal |
I want to get at a specific instance of a repeatable field in a MARC record |
| 16:09 |
|
sekjal |
or, rather, I want to go through a for loop of all the instances |
| 16:09 |
|
sekjal |
I've got to mix together info that's in the first 852 with info that's in the first 961 |
| 16:09 |
|
sekjal |
and second with second, and so on |
| 16:09 |
|
sekjal |
no other linkage, other than order |
| 16:10 |
|
jcamins |
Hm. |
| 16:10 |
|
sekjal |
using field(852) is supposed to return all the matching fields, I think in an array |
| 16:11 |
|
chris_n |
sekjal: I've messed with it, but it has been quite a while ago |
| 16:11 |
|
chris_n |
that sounds right iirc |
| 16:11 |
|
jcamins |
$field852s = $marc->field('852'); $field961s = $marc->field('961') |
| 16:11 |
|
jcamins |
Then use a regular for loop, not a foreach loop. |
| 16:12 |
|
* jcamins |
realizes that he's never used a non-foreach loop in Perl |
| 16:13 |
|
sekjal |
trying that... but getting Can't call method "subfield" on an undefined value |
| 16:13 |
|
jcamins |
Oh, yeah, you need to do some weird dereferencing. |
| 16:13 |
|
jcamins |
Let me check that for you. |
| 16:13 |
|
sekjal |
when I try to access the first subfield I want in the first iteration of the 853 |
| 16:13 |
|
sekjal |
~852 |
| 16:15 |
|
chris_n |
I think you have to $field852s->subfield('foo') |
| 16:16 |
|
chris_n |
iirc $marc->field('852') returns an object |
| 16:16 |
|
sekjal |
a hash ref, yes |
| 16:16 |
|
* chris_n |
was looking for the code he did using that |
| 16:18 |
|
jcamins |
sekjal: you tried $field852s->[$ii]->subfield('a');? |
| 16:18 |
|
* jcamins |
doesn't know why that works, but he does know that it worked for him |
| 16:19 |
|
|
cait_a left #koha |
| 16:19 |
|
|
cait joined #koha |
| 16:19 |
|
sekjal |
get warned it's not an array reference |
| 16:19 |
|
chris_n |
sekjal: fwiw: http://git.koha-community.org/[…]7ecb7804d8a#l1276 |
| 16:20 |
|
|
kmkale joined #koha |
| 16:21 |
|
cait |
I am back |
| 16:21 |
|
cait |
but I am scared of jcamins |
| 16:21 |
|
* cait |
hides |
| 16:21 |
|
cait |
;) |
| 16:21 |
|
sekjal |
wish I could do this with a foreach... |
| 16:22 |
|
chris_n |
it seems you can |
| 16:22 |
|
sekjal |
if it was just the one field, yes |
| 16:22 |
|
sekjal |
but I need subfields from the first 852 and also from the first 961 |
| 16:22 |
|
sekjal |
then second and second, etc etc |
| 16:23 |
|
sekjal |
no linkage between the fields except their order in the record |
| 16:23 |
|
sekjal |
so perhaps do a foreach to dump them into an array? |
| 16:24 |
|
jcamins |
sekjal: you could do it with a foreach and a counter, but you'd still have to deal with the 961. |
| 16:24 |
|
jcamins |
cait: how do your libraries populate the 003 field? |
| 16:25 |
|
chris_n |
sekjal: load them into arrays and then cmp? |
| 16:26 |
|
jcamins |
sekjal: try changint the declaration of $field852s and $field961s to @field852s and @field961s? |
| 16:26 |
|
sekjal |
jcamins: declaring as @ gives undefined value (that was my first plan) |
| 16:27 |
|
jcamins |
Ah. Right. |
| 16:27 |
|
cait |
jcamisn: they don't - it gets populated |
| 16:27 |
|
cait |
DE-576 |
| 16:27 |
|
cait |
the isil of our union catalog |
| 16:27 |
|
cait |
@marc 003 |
| 16:27 |
|
munin |
cait: The MARC code for the organization whose control number is contained in field 001 (Control Number). [] |
| 16:27 |
|
cait |
right |
| 16:27 |
|
cait |
but I think it will get populated automatically with the value in the sys pref |
| 16:27 |
|
cait |
or it should |
| 16:27 |
|
jcamins |
cait: okay, so every library that uses your union catalog has the same 003 field? |
| 16:27 |
|
cait |
yes |
| 16:28 |
|
cait |
this is correct |
| 16:28 |
|
chris_n |
sekjal: you'd have to @subfields = $record->field(852)->subfiields(); |
| 16:28 |
|
* chris_n |
thinks |
| 16:28 |
|
jcamins |
If a new library were to join the union catalog, would they have to start using DE-576? |
| 16:28 |
|
cait |
they have their own isil too |
| 16:28 |
|
jcamins |
chris_n: that won't work right if there are more than one 852 fields. |
| 16:28 |
|
cait |
but the source of the 001 is de-576 |
| 16:29 |
|
cait |
doesn't count for local titles that they catalog themselves |
| 16:29 |
|
chris_n |
jcamins: in which case you are stuck with foreach |
| 16:29 |
|
sekjal |
$record->field(852) returns something you can use foreach with, but not for |
| 16:29 |
|
sekjal |
so, apparently not an array |
| 16:29 |
|
jcamins |
cait: okay, just checking. |
| 16:29 |
|
chris_n |
you can also pass in a scope of fields |
| 16:29 |
|
cait |
not sure I can explain it good - so keep asking please |
| 16:29 |
|
chris_n |
but that doesn't help here |
| 16:30 |
|
chris_n |
sekjal: it returns an field object |
| 16:30 |
|
jcamins |
cait: no, that's what I thought. I just wanted to make sure I had it right before I said that's how you did it. |
| 16:30 |
|
cait |
ok :) |
| 16:30 |
|
sekjal |
chris_n: It's supposed to be a list of matching field objects |
| 16:30 |
|
jcamins |
sekjal: I don't suppose pop works with $field852s? |
| 16:30 |
|
sekjal |
or just the first one if used in a scalar context |
| 16:31 |
|
sekjal |
jcamins: good question |
| 16:31 |
|
cait |
I think if you download a record from worldcat it will have the worldcat umber in 001 and the org code in 003? |
| 16:32 |
|
jcamins |
cait: yes, I think so. |
| 16:32 |
|
|
cfouts left #koha |
| 16:32 |
|
cait |
the $w fields look different when we get them out of our union catalog: $w(DE-576)idnumber |
| 16:33 |
|
cait |
zebra is not so happy about that, so we kill the org code |
| 16:33 |
|
jcamins |
cait: yeah, that's what I'm responding about. |
| 16:33 |
|
cait |
not sure how you can make zebra work here |
| 16:33 |
|
cait |
and it will get more difficult in the xslt to treat the repeatable $w right |
| 16:34 |
|
sekjal |
okay, going to try it with two foreach and a helper array |
| 16:34 |
|
jcamins |
Amit_G's analytic code currently makes the assumption that everything in the #w is valid, and that's not a safe assumption. |
| 16:34 |
|
jcamins |
It seems to me that we can adjust the index in Zebra to handle that. |
| 16:35 |
|
jcamins |
And, if not, that's a very serious problem. |
| 16:35 |
|
jcamins |
thd: around? |
| 16:36 |
|
cait |
I am not aware that we can do it |
| 16:36 |
|
cait |
but will be happy if we can |
| 16:36 |
|
slef |
wizzyrea brendan chris - would you fix the topic with the new meeting date, please? |
| 16:37 |
|
jcamins |
cait: I don't know how to, but the analytic support can't be added unless that's resolved. |
| 16:37 |
|
cait |
you could make it work with biblionumbers... urgs |
| 16:37 |
|
cait |
nah |
| 16:37 |
|
jcamins |
Well, I mean, it could, but I will agitate against it, because it will completely break our catalog. |
| 16:38 |
|
jcamins |
cait: the analytic support that you implemented is safe. |
| 16:38 |
|
cait |
yeah, it has some problems, I think 001 is not populated for local cataloged records :( |
| 16:38 |
|
|
Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha - www.koha-community.org. Next general meeting on 8 December 2010 at 10:00 UTC+0. This channel is logged. |
| 16:38 |
|
cait |
oh |
| 16:38 |
|
cait |
jcamins: perhaps you can guide me a bit, when I am looking at the branch |
| 16:39 |
|
cait |
but have to cook some dinner first |
| 16:39 |
|
cait |
jcamins++ |
| 16:39 |
|
jcamins |
cait: I thought you already ate. |
| 16:39 |
|
cait |
no, bought food |
| 16:39 |
|
cait |
now I have to cook it |
| 16:40 |
|
jcamins |
When you get back, I have more questions about how you do things. |
| 16:41 |
|
jcamins |
But go eat first. |
| 16:41 |
|
cait |
I have the laptop in the kitchen with me |
| 16:41 |
|
cait |
advantages of a very small apartment |
| 16:41 |
|
jcamins |
Heh. |
| 16:42 |
|
jcamins |
Each of your libraries has a separate catalog, and they download their records from the union catalog, right? |
| 16:42 |
|
cait |
why is my solution save compared to Amit's? |
| 16:42 |
|
cait |
yes, download + using staged marc import every night |
| 16:42 |
|
cait |
using the 001 as field for matching |
| 16:42 |
|
jcamins |
cait: because Amit's shows the items based on 773s. |
| 16:43 |
|
cait |
? |
| 16:43 |
|
jcamins |
So if something doesn't match with yours, that's an erroneous search. |
| 16:43 |
|
jcamins |
I mean, item as in 952. |
| 16:43 |
|
jcamins |
With his, the patron will be told to look in the completely wrong place. |
| 16:44 |
|
cait |
sorry, I don't get it |
| 16:44 |
|
jcamins |
You know that table with items in the OPAC? |
| 16:44 |
|
cait |
you mean we can't merge both branches because we do things entirely different? |
| 16:44 |
|
cait |
yep |
| 16:44 |
|
cait |
by heart ;) |
| 16:44 |
|
jcamins |
Amit's adds an item to that table based on the 773. |
| 16:44 |
|
cait |
uh |
| 16:44 |
|
cait |
why would you do that? |
| 16:45 |
|
jcamins |
Rather, Amit's takes the item from the host record based on the information in the 773. |
| 16:45 |
|
cait |
ok, say I have a serial and catalog the essays in it |
| 16:45 |
|
cait |
than I will have items on the serial record? |
| 16:45 |
|
jcamins |
Right. |
| 16:45 |
|
cait |
but I can't check them out |
| 16:46 |
|
jcamins |
With Amit's solution, you can. |
| 16:46 |
|
cait |
and where will I store the important information? like pages, title, author etc.? |
| 16:46 |
|
jcamins |
One moment and I'll try and draw a diagram. |
| 16:46 |
|
jcamins |
It's very confusing. |
| 16:46 |
|
cait |
thx jcamins - really glad you are involved in this analytics thing with me :) |
| 16:47 |
|
thd |
jcamins: yes I am here. |
| 16:48 |
|
jcamins |
thd: any idea if it would be possible to index this in Zebra: $w(DE-576)12345 in such a way that Zebra is able to search on just the 12345? |
| 16:48 |
|
cait |
jcamins: I have a feeling we will perhaps need some sys prefs if people have different ideas about analytics support |
| 16:49 |
|
gmcharlt |
cait: I would think so |
| 16:49 |
|
gmcharlt |
it's a broader question, too |
| 16:49 |
|
cait |
gmcharlt: yeah, I have implemented something in the xslt, so that you can add a syspref |
| 16:49 |
|
thd |
jcamins: We should be doing many things like that by creating special records for indexing. |
| 16:49 |
|
cait |
but I have still to programm it |
| 16:49 |
|
cait |
program... |
| 16:49 |
|
gmcharlt |
analytics using the 773 is a subset of more general links among bibs via 7xx fields |
| 16:50 |
|
cait |
at the moment it's hardcoded to 1 |
| 16:50 |
|
cait |
it was on my list, but I wanted to have it out there for discussion now |
| 16:50 |
|
cait |
gmcharlt: would you perhaps look at my xslt changes? I know that you know a lot about marc |
| 16:51 |
|
thd |
jcamins: Using XPath based indexing in Zebra would help. |
| 16:51 |
|
gmcharlt |
cait: that's the 4056 pull requests, right? |
| 16:51 |
|
jcamins |
thd: okay, so it's *possible*, at least. |
| 16:51 |
|
cait |
thd: but we ould need to change it to dom indexing for that, is that correct? |
| 16:51 |
|
cait |
gmcharlt: right |
| 16:51 |
|
gmcharlt |
cait: yes, that can be done |
| 16:52 |
|
* jcamins |
gives up on a diagram. |
| 16:52 |
|
thd |
cait: Yes that is correct |
| 16:52 |
|
cait |
it's my first bigger project, so be gentle ;) |
| 16:52 |
|
|
dafydd joined #koha |
| 16:52 |
|
cait |
or nice |
| 16:52 |
|
cait |
whatever is the better word |
| 16:52 |
|
thd |
:) |
| 16:52 |
|
* jcamins |
will write an explanation, and get back to cait in a moment |
| 16:52 |
|
thd |
nice and gentle |
| 16:52 |
|
gmcharlt |
cait: heh. you make it sound like I have a reputation for eating new committers for lunch |
| 16:52 |
|
gmcharlt |
... |
| 16:52 |
|
gmcharlt |
don't answer :) |
| 16:53 |
|
trea |
nomnomnom |
| 16:53 |
|
cait |
no, you don't :) |
| 16:53 |
|
cait |
ok, ignore me... I am just a bit nervous about it and want to get it right... |
| 16:53 |
|
cait |
and our libraries really need it to work with our data - so I would be really happy to get it into koha |
| 16:54 |
|
* chris_n |
hopes he tastes bad... |
| 16:55 |
|
cait |
or help build a solution that works for them |
| 16:56 |
|
|
Oak left #koha |
| 16:58 |
|
jcamins |
cait: I'm going to use a conference proceeding (we'll call it Biblionumber 100) as an example. This conference proceeding is one physical volume, and has ten articles (biblionumber 101-110). The record for the conference proceeding (biblionumber 100) has an item record (and a 952 field, we'll call this itemnumber 1) with a barcode so that it can be checked out. With Amit's proposed feature, the ten article records (biblionumbers 101-110) do not have item rec |
| 16:59 |
|
cait |
do not have item records? |
| 16:59 |
|
jcamins |
Right. |
| 16:59 |
|
slef |
oops I hate it when I email lists from work by mistake |
| 16:59 |
|
cait |
hi slef |
| 17:00 |
|
cait |
I like your mails - and I can hear you reading them to me know :) |
| 17:00 |
|
jcamins |
So the record for an article has these variable fields: 100, 245, 650, 773 (and whatever others are relevant). |
| 17:01 |
|
thd |
cait: I read back a little of your discussion. If you want the Koha biblionumber in 001 you can modify the frameworks accordingly or add a script for record creation which also puts the Koha biblionumber in 001. |
| 17:02 |
|
jcamins |
thd: but biblionumber isn't robust. |
| 17:02 |
|
thd |
cait: Exactly, which is why I was uncertain if we should really put it in 001. |
| 17:03 |
|
thd |
s/cait/jamins/ |
| 17:03 |
|
thd |
s/cait/jcamins/ |
| 17:03 |
|
cait |
thd: we have a good identifier there |
| 17:03 |
|
jcamins |
thd: I would tend to think we should not, but I was a little confused by hdl's patch. |
| 17:03 |
|
cait |
but I was thinking about other libraries |
| 17:04 |
|
thd |
001 would be standard but this is Koha which is something short of standard. |
| 17:04 |
|
gmcharlt |
cait: $w for sharing, $0 (or $9) with the Koha biblionumber within the database |
| 17:04 |
|
jcamins |
gmcharlt: okay, that would help. |
| 17:05 |
|
gmcharlt |
e.g., $0 (my_libs_symbol)biblionumber |
| 17:05 |
|
gmcharlt |
would be one way |
| 17:05 |
|
cait |
gmcharlt: that's a nice idea |
| 17:05 |
|
thd |
jcamins: Which patch of hdl's do you mean? |
| 17:05 |
|
gmcharlt |
though with that approach, some additoinal code to help the catalogers maintain the $0 would be probably be good |
| 17:06 |
|
jcamins |
thd: http://git.koha-community.org/[…]64dbd633cd5a5c4db |
| 17:06 |
|
cait |
at the moment I test for $w and use a text link if it doesn't exist |
| 17:06 |
|
jcamins |
gmcharlt: yes, there would need to be some sort of authority control-type dialog. |
| 17:07 |
|
cait |
we could add $0 there too |
| 17:07 |
|
cait |
but I am not sure I am able to do the cataloging part :( |
| 17:07 |
|
|
bigbrovar left #koha |
| 17:09 |
|
jcamins |
Well, hopefully that was coherent. |
| 17:09 |
|
thd |
jcamins: That patch has no explicit reference to 001. |
| 17:10 |
|
jcamins |
thd: exactly. |
| 17:10 |
|
jcamins |
The standard says "this should be used for 001," but it's used for the biblionumber. |
| 17:10 |
|
jcamins |
That's why I was confused. |
| 17:11 |
|
cait |
why don't make it an option? |
| 17:11 |
|
thd |
jcamins: For Koha, the appropriate field reference is wherever biblionumber is stored. |
| 17:11 |
|
jcamins |
thd: http://www.unimarc.info/bibliographic/2.3/en/461 |
| 17:11 |
|
cait |
to use biblionumbers or 001? |
| 17:11 |
|
jcamins |
$0 is defined in the standard. |
| 17:11 |
|
cait |
thd: I am not happy about that, I think we should stick with the standard - to make data migration easier too |
| 17:12 |
|
thd |
cait: The problem is in the Koha MARC frameworks and not the patch from hdl. |
| 17:13 |
|
jcamins |
thd: the problem is generally in the way that the analytic support is coded. |
| 17:13 |
|
jcamins |
But that's what code review is for. :) |
| 17:13 |
|
cait |
I think I will start looking at the code - but perhaps we should discuss that at a meeting or something |
| 17:14 |
|
cait |
to learn more about how Amit's feature works |
| 17:14 |
|
thd |
jcamins: Aside from whether the biblionumber is in 001 or not does the patch from hdl work? |
| 17:14 |
|
jcamins |
thd: I do not know. |
| 17:14 |
|
jcamins |
My concern is with the analytic code in general. hdl's patch was just the one that made me ask the question about the001. |
| 17:15 |
|
thd |
jcamins: It looks right to me but I am not looking hard for any bug. |
| 17:15 |
|
thd |
biblionumber should be in 001. |
| 17:16 |
|
thd |
The problem with changing it is a need for wide consultation about the need to change every record when updating to a new version of the Koha MARC frameworks. |
| 17:16 |
|
jcamins |
thd: I disagree, but I'm willing to be convinced. Why? |
| 17:16 |
|
jcamins |
thd: oh, are you saying that the frameworks for UNIMARC specify that? |
| 17:17 |
|
jcamins |
I didn't realize that. |
| 17:17 |
|
thd |
jcamins: I think that the Koha UNIMARC frameworks may now use 001 correctly. |
| 17:17 |
|
jcamins |
standard_compliance++ |
| 17:17 |
|
cait |
thd: would the 001 field be overwritten with the biblio number? |
| 17:18 |
|
cait |
that would break a lot of things for us |
| 17:18 |
|
thd |
jcamins: If something fundamental is moved in the Koha MARC frameworks everyone's records have to be modified to match the new Koha MARC framework. |
| 17:19 |
|
jcamins |
thd: I think you are responding to an orthogonal issue. |
| 17:19 |
|
jcamins |
thd: http://git.koha-community.org/[…]09d4789f76a516b72 |
| 17:20 |
|
jcamins |
Actually, see my e-mail where I expressed concern. :) |
| 17:20 |
|
thd |
cait: Nothing would be overwritten in old records without a script to overwrite them except if you change the Koha MARC frameworks and load a record into the record editor and save it. |
| 17:20 |
|
|
magnus_a left #koha |
| 17:20 |
|
cait |
thd: ok, thx |
| 17:21 |
|
cait |
so if there is no plugin defined for 001 in the frameworks everything is ok? |
| 17:21 |
|
jwagner |
chiming in late here -- I thought biblionumber went into the 999c by default. Or am I just looking at an old system? Putting things into the 001 would screw things up for a lot of sites. |
| 17:21 |
|
gmcharlt |
jwagner: it various depending on the framework |
| 17:21 |
|
jcamins |
jwagner: that's what I thought too. |
| 17:22 |
|
cait |
would break the wohle import for us, but it seems to be ok for now |
| 17:22 |
|
jwagner |
I'm looking at the Koha to MARC mapping. |
| 17:22 |
|
gmcharlt |
for MARC21 users, it is the 999$c |
| 17:22 |
|
jwagner |
Yeah, I don't have a UNIMARC system so I don't know what it uses. |
| 17:22 |
|
gmcharlt |
IIRC, it's different for UNIMARC users |
| 17:22 |
|
|
magnus joined #koha |
| 17:22 |
|
jcamins |
To clarify my concern, I am worried that this branch which has not been merged into master yet makes an unwarranted and dangerous assumption about 001 and biblionumber being the same. |
| 17:22 |
|
jwagner |
OCLC, for example, puts the OCLC control number in the 001, and a lot of our sites use that for matching. |
| 17:23 |
|
gmcharlt |
the theoretical standard approach would be move the 001+003 to the 035 during bib import |
| 17:24 |
|
jwagner |
But there are other numbers in the 035. Would it matter if there are multiples? |
| 17:24 |
|
gmcharlt |
and do dedupe matching with 001/003 from the incoming record to the 035 of records already in teh database |
| 17:24 |
|
gmcharlt |
again in theory, the value in each 035 is qualified by who assigned the ID |
| 17:24 |
|
gmcharlt |
e.g., |
| 17:24 |
|
gmcharlt |
035 $a(OCoLC)123 |
| 17:24 |
|
gmcharlt |
035 $a(some_random_library)ABC444 |
| 17:25 |
|
gmcharlt |
of course, practice is more complicated |
| 17:25 |
|
jcamins |
This would require a switch to DOM indexing, per thd's earlier explanation of how indexing that would work. |
| 17:25 |
|
* jcamins |
thinks he'll quickly eat lunch, since a patron is expected in a few minutes |
| 17:25 |
|
gmcharlt |
so I'd be chary of any proposal to change the dfeault mapping of the bilbionumber to the 001 for MARC21 users |
| 17:25 |
|
|
jcamins is now known as jcamins_a |
| 17:25 |
|
munin |
New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_5386' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]9fd40109ccf8a3f8d> / bug 5386: remove dep on Path::Class from t/00-load.t <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]d9a3087738aa7cab2> |
| 17:26 |
|
slef |
is chary a word? |
| 17:26 |
|
cait |
jwagner: same here for the number from our union catalog - it's the key for mathing imports |
| 17:26 |
|
gmcharlt |
slef: yes |
| 17:26 |
|
trea |
slef: char·y/ˈCHe(ə)rē/Adjective |
| 17:26 |
|
trea |
1. Cautious; wary. |
| 17:26 |
|
trea |
2. Cautious about the amount one gives or reveals. |
| 17:26 |
|
trea |
according to teh googlez |
| 17:26 |
|
slef |
trea: don't swear at me ;-) |
| 17:26 |
|
slef |
but live and learn... |
| 17:27 |
|
* trea |
holds his head and weeps |
| 17:27 |
|
* cait |
hands trea a tissue |
| 17:27 |
|
trea |
thx cait |
| 17:28 |
|
slef |
I've got a library whose mysql used only for Koha 3.0.x keeps deadlocking. Anyone seen that? |
| 17:29 |
|
hudsonbot |
Starting build 141 for job Koha_Master (previous build: FIXED) |
| 17:32 |
|
thd |
gmcharlt++ about what should happen when importing records |
| 17:33 |
|
|
jcamins_a is now known as jcamins |
| 17:33 |
|
cait |
lunch already eaten? |
| 17:33 |
|
jcamins |
I eat quickly, yes. |
| 17:33 |
|
* cait |
is still cooking |
| 17:33 |
|
thd |
jwagner: Yes, as I explained moving form 999 $c to 001 would require updating all the records on many systems. |
| 17:34 |
|
* jcamins |
thinks he must have missed something |
| 17:34 |
|
cait |
it's druthb's fault - she mademe hungry for spaghetti bolognese |
| 17:34 |
|
thd |
jwagner: However, I had understood that some LibLime customers were using 001. |
| 17:34 |
|
jcamins |
Did someone propose that it was a *good* idea to put the biblionumber in 001? |
| 17:34 |
|
cait |
jcamins: and store the union catalog/source number in 035 |
| 17:34 |
|
thd |
jcamins: I discussed it with kados long ago. |
| 17:35 |
|
cait |
I think we actually have the information doubled up and in 035 too, but have to check some sample records |
| 17:35 |
|
jcamins |
cait: I think storing the union catalog/source in the 035 is a great idea, but that doesn't make putting the biblionumber in the 001 anything other than a terrible idea. |
| 17:35 |
|
jcamins |
IMHO |
| 17:35 |
|
jwagner |
thd, I don't know what some of the inherited sites might be doing -- have to ask cfouts or druthb about that. |
| 17:35 |
|
cait |
I think we can disucss that - but it should not break anything for existing catalogs |
| 17:35 |
|
jwagner |
jcamins, agreed. I don't want anything to touch the 001. |
| 17:36 |
|
cait |
jcamins: I am with you on that - it would make things more difficult for us too |
| 17:36 |
|
thd |
jcamins: My biggest concern at the time was the easiest way to preserve the previous 001 fields in records without needing to ensure people were using a script using to populate 035. |
| 17:36 |
|
cait |
but as long as we can buid consensus on a way that does not break my import and make it possible to display the linkings in our records, I will be happy |
| 17:37 |
|
cait |
I think using biblionumber requires a lot more work to do that |
| 17:37 |
|
cait |
or it is even impossible for us - because of our union catalog situation - so it should be an option |
| 17:38 |
|
jcamins |
thd: I think a bigger concern is that the 001 field has a meaning according to the standard. The biblionumber is unstable and does not. |
| 17:38 |
|
thd |
If all the Koha import scripts were written to use 035 correctly and we supplied an appropriate migration script then we could use 001 following the standard. |
| 17:39 |
|
thd |
I only hesitated when I expected that too many users would be caught by surprise with broken systems for not following some appropriate record migration procedure. |
| 17:40 |
|
thd |
We should fix the issue for Koha 3.4. |
| 17:40 |
|
gmcharlt |
thd: which is exactly the reason why we're stuck - we would have to make an upgrade bulletproof |
| 17:40 |
|
thd |
gmcharlt: We changed it once before. |
| 17:41 |
|
jcamins |
Can someone please clarify for me why we would want to make a change like this? |
| 17:41 |
|
gmcharlt |
and, frankly, making matching more flexible would be more achievable for 3.4 |
| 17:41 |
|
thd |
There were many fewer users then. |
| 17:41 |
|
gmcharlt |
jcamins: it is theoretically more correct - I agree with the thd on that |
| 17:41 |
|
thd |
jcamins: Following the standard is good especially if you are sharing your records. |
| 17:41 |
|
gmcharlt |
I don't think it would be easy to do in practice without annoying a great many current users |
| 17:42 |
|
gmcharlt |
thd: as far as following the standard is concerned, code to munge the 999 and 001 on *export* would achieve that and be easier |
| 17:42 |
|
gmcharlt |
after all, MARC is an interchange format |
| 17:42 |
|
gmcharlt |
nothing says that the version that gets exported from a Koha catalog has to be 100% identical to what's stored in teh database |
| 17:42 |
|
gmcharlt |
so, e.g., if you want the Koha bib number in the 001 on export |
| 17:42 |
|
thd |
gmcharlt: That is exactly how I conceived of addressing the issue when considering the problem with kados. |
| 17:42 |
|
gmcharlt |
a simple output filter would achieve that |
| 17:43 |
|
|
sekjal is now known as sekjal_a |
| 17:43 |
|
slef |
"DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Lock wait timeout exceeded; try restarting transaction" hmmm |
| 17:43 |
|
thd |
gmcharlt: How do we get Zebra to do that for a Z39.50/SRU server serving the world? |
| 17:44 |
|
jcamins |
gmcharlt: I'm not convinced that storing the biblionumber in the 001 is theoretically more correct. Where does that leave accession numbers from previous systems? |
| 17:44 |
|
gmcharlt |
interpose an XSLT stylesheet to do the transform before emitting the MARC or MARCXML ... pretty sure that would be possible |
| 17:44 |
|
gmcharlt |
jcamins: all legacy IDs should be moved to 035s with appropriate library symbol |
| 17:45 |
|
hudsonbot |
Starting build 29 for job Koha_3.2.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 17:45 |
|
cait |
gmcharlt: ok, this would work for matching, but what about records with identifiers in $w? |
| 17:45 |
|
thd |
gmcharlt: That would be the way. Does Zebra have support for such a filter on output? |
| 17:45 |
|
cait |
how do they find each other? $w is supposed to link to 001 |
| 17:45 |
|
cait |
same on export |
| 17:45 |
|
jcamins |
gmcharlt: but libraries don't change their Organizational Codes when they change ILSes. |
| 17:45 |
|
munin |
New commit(s) kohagit32: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_5386' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]f94aeb7e45e7311a5> / Test modules compile <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]ebb447321791799f9> |
| 17:46 |
|
jcamins |
So you'd end up with 035$a(NNAN)12345 035$a(NNAN)43218 and 035$a(NNAN)smp1234567 all in the same record. |
| 17:46 |
|
jcamins |
And the first two could theoretically both be valid at once. |
| 17:47 |
|
gmcharlt |
jcamins: slightly different thing - the legacy ID during a migration is more commonly not in the 001 in the first place |
| 17:47 |
|
thd |
As long as everything is valid that should not be a problem. |
| 17:47 |
|
thd |
Preserve your history and you can recover what you need. |
| 17:49 |
|
|
cfouts joined #koha |
| 17:49 |
|
jcamins |
gmcharlt: oh, is that how properly-configured systems do it? ;) |
| 17:49 |
|
gmcharlt |
jcamins: heh |
| 17:49 |
|
* jcamins |
likes that idea |
| 17:49 |
|
thd |
cfouts: Where are LibLime customers generally storing the Koha biblionumber in MARC 21? |
| 17:50 |
|
jcamins |
(properly configured systems that do things right, that is) |
| 17:50 |
|
gmcharlt |
IMO, one would hang on to the ID from the past ILS for a year, then purge it |
| 17:50 |
|
hudsonbot |
Project Koha_Master build #141: SUCCESS in 20 min: http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]/Koha_Master/141/ |
| 17:50 |
|
hudsonbot |
Galen Charlton: bug 5386: remove dep on Path::Class from t/00-load.t |
| 17:50 |
|
munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5386 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED, t/00-load.t adds unnecessary dependency to Path::Class |
| 17:51 |
|
cfouts |
thd: 999$b, iirc |
| 17:52 |
|
thd |
cfouts: Are any using 001? |
| 17:52 |
|
chris |
morning peeps |
| 17:52 |
|
cfouts |
I don't think so. however, MARC is not my forte, and there could be exceptions. |
| 17:54 |
|
gmcharlt |
@admin ignore add hudsonbot |
| 17:54 |
|
munin |
gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. |
| 17:54 |
|
jwagner |
cfouts, we were talking earlier about the Koha to MARC mapping, and thd thought LL had used something else. What I'm familiar with is 999c |
| 17:54 |
|
* chris |
sees some more signed off patches to check and push this morning :) |
| 17:55 |
|
thd |
I think ryan and kados may have both told me in late 2007 that new customers of some type would be using 001. |
| 17:55 |
|
cait |
hi chris |
| 17:55 |
|
jcamins |
I'm not sure I see what the benefit to changing the biblionumber mapping would be. |
| 17:56 |
|
|
indradg joined #koha |
| 17:58 |
|
cfouts |
right, 999$c. I don't think it's different in any LL customers. like jcamins, I'm not seeing an advantage to moving it. |
| 17:58 |
|
thd |
jcamins: There would be no benefit other than the better appearance of standards compliance. However, if we can have Zebra add a filter then everything would be fine for external Z39.50/SRU users. |
| 18:00 |
|
jcamins |
thd: I guess I can see the argument for external Z39.50 users, but I'm not even convinced that matters. |
| 18:00 |
|
wizzyrea_ |
mornin chris |
| 18:00 |
|
thd |
jcamins: We would also need to know if Solr/Lucene would support such filtering for the prospect of replacing Zebra even as Z39.50/SRU server for external users. |
| 18:01 |
|
|
chris_n left #koha |
| 18:01 |
|
thd |
jcamins: Are you against sharing your records or do you think that external users do not want to be able to recognise your record nubers? |
| 18:02 |
|
thd |
s/nubers/numbers/ |
| 18:02 |
|
jcamins |
thd: I am pro sharing, and think that external users should have access to our accession numbers. |
| 18:02 |
|
jcamins |
Like most libraries I've been at, accession numbers are external. |
| 18:02 |
|
gmcharlt |
thd: that was a bit rude |
| 18:03 |
|
|
chris_n joined #koha |
| 18:03 |
|
thd |
jcamins: External users are not going to know the significance of 999 $c. |
| 18:03 |
|
gmcharlt |
thd: they also don't necessarily have any reason to care |
| 18:03 |
|
thd |
Sorry if I seemed rude. |
| 18:03 |
|
cait |
thd: for us the union catalog number is always more intersting |
| 18:03 |
|
jcamins |
thd: no, but they're also not going to be able to do anything useful with it in the 001 field. |
| 18:03 |
|
cfouts |
what's the utility of knowing the internal reference number at any rate? |
| 18:03 |
|
cait |
than the internal number, for sharing too |
| 18:03 |
|
gmcharlt |
certainly anybody copy-cataloging just want the record, and does not care about any local identifiers |
| 18:03 |
|
thd |
My question was asked in good humour. |
| 18:03 |
|
jcamins |
No offense was taken. |
| 18:04 |
|
gmcharlt |
no worries, then |
| 18:04 |
|
jcamins |
:) |
| 18:04 |
|
thd |
My facial expression and vocal inflection is not communicated well on IRC :) |
| 18:05 |
|
hudsonbot |
Project Koha_3.2.x build #29: SUCCESS in 20 min: http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ob/Koha_3.2.x/29/ |
| 18:05 |
|
hudsonbot |
* Chris Cormack: Test modules compile |
| 18:05 |
|
hudsonbot |
* Chris Cormack: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_5386' into kcmaster |
| 18:05 |
|
chris |
kapow!, collaboration ftw |
| 18:05 |
|
jcamins |
My argument against the biblionumber in the 001 is that it is specific to the library's *current* installation of its *current* ILS. 001 should have semantic significance, which ideally means reference to a guaranteed-unique and guaranteed-permanent identifier. Like accession number. |
| 18:06 |
|
thd |
I am rarely ever rude with intent. |
| 18:06 |
|
jcamins |
Now, granted, the ANS has done a terrible job with their accession numbers and 001s, but that just gives me 12 months worth of experience to tell you that you don't want to experience that particular error. |
| 18:07 |
|
thd |
gmcharlt: Copy cataloguers should be copying the previous 001 into 035. |
| 18:07 |
|
jcamins |
(yes, it took me twelve months of data clean up to give up and conclude that reliable identifiers were a lost cause) |
| 18:08 |
|
jcamins |
(I see this less as an argument for biblionumbers and more as an argument against them, in case that's unclear) |
| 18:08 |
|
thd |
gmcharlt: If we had reaally good automation support for cataloguing we could check the originating source and other matches for possible updates or more complete record information. |
| 18:08 |
|
jcamins |
*biblionumbers as the 001, I mean |
| 18:09 |
|
gmcharlt |
thd: right, but good automation support would have to entail not making assumptions about whether any particular source of records was actually following the ideal convention for 001/003/035 usage |
| 18:09 |
|
thd |
The real world has no reliable identifiers but having identifiers is better than not having them. |
| 18:10 |
|
thd |
gmcharlt: I would not presume but hope and verify with good automation support for record matching. |
| 18:16 |
|
thd |
003 is often empty and shoud be checked against knowledge of the organisation code for the originating library. |
| 18:16 |
|
thd |
s/empty/missing/ |
| 18:17 |
|
gmcharlt |
which of course can be tricky |
| 18:18 |
|
gmcharlt |
as not every library necessary has (or knows) what their code is |
| 18:21 |
|
gmcharlt |
chris_n: when you cherry-pick, please pick the base commits, not the merge commits |
| 18:21 |
|
gmcharlt |
otherwise, it squashes history and attribution |
| 18:22 |
|
thd |
I would create clearly labelled locally created codes for records from libraries which had not taken the opportunity to register for an organisation code. |
| 18:23 |
|
gmcharlt |
chris_n: what you can do if there are too many patches in a branch to cherry-pick individually is to merge in the branch, then sign off on the merge commit before pushing |
| 18:24 |
|
chris |
you do need to be careful with that tho |
| 18:24 |
|
thd |
I would add a note field to the record explaining a locally created code. |
| 18:24 |
|
chris |
because the branches are based on master |
| 18:24 |
|
chris |
you may merge a feature by accident |
| 18:24 |
|
gmcharlt |
good point |
| 18:24 |
|
chris |
i will try to leave the branches up |
| 18:25 |
|
chris |
with the commits at the top, so that cherry picking from them is easier |
| 18:25 |
|
chris |
rather than from master where they are sometimes not grouped together anymore |
| 18:25 |
|
|
sekjal_a left #koha |
| 18:27 |
|
|
sekjal joined #koha |
| 18:28 |
|
chris |
okie dokie bus time |
| 18:28 |
|
chris |
cya's soon from the back seat of the bus, with the other naughty kids |
| 18:29 |
|
nengard |
hehe |
| 18:29 |
|
* druthb |
chuckles. |
| 18:30 |
|
chris_n |
gmcharlt: tnx, I missed that point |
| 18:31 |
|
chris_n |
I have a script written that will cherry-pick ranges of commits, I'll just go back to using to pick from branches |
| 18:44 |
|
chris |
Back |
| 18:46 |
|
cait |
fast :) |
| 18:46 |
|
chris |
Well the bus stops 7 metres from my front door |
| 18:47 |
|
chris |
So its not far to walk:) |
| 18:47 |
|
chris |
Bout 20 mins now til I get to work |
| 18:48 |
|
chris |
Except I will stop at neo for a coffee |
| 18:48 |
|
wizzyrea_ |
she have those pastry things you like ;) |
| 18:48 |
|
chris |
Its funny cos now u know where that is |
| 18:49 |
|
chris |
I hope so ! |
| 18:49 |
|
jwagner |
chris, is that the place I went for lunch the first day of the hackfest? |
| 18:50 |
|
chris |
Yup just down the street from catalyst |
| 18:50 |
|
jwagner |
THey had good French toast and eggs, too. |
| 18:50 |
|
brendan |
heya all |
| 18:51 |
|
* druthb |
waves to brendan |
| 18:51 |
|
chris |
They are good all round, they do me a good deal |
| 18:51 |
|
chris |
12 large flat white coffees for 37 |
| 18:51 |
|
jwagner |
So we should have told them that you sent us, and they'd have given us a special rate??? |
| 18:51 |
|
chris |
I'm not sure they like me that much :) |
| 18:51 |
|
chris |
Worth a try tho :) |
| 18:53 |
|
* chris |
has played a few akoha.com missions there |
| 18:53 |
|
trea |
man i miss flat whites |
| 18:53 |
|
* wizzyrea_ |
too |
| 18:53 |
|
* gmcharlt |
googles |
| 18:54 |
|
chris |
There's a good wikipedia page on them gmcharlt |
| 18:54 |
|
chris |
Close to a latte |
| 18:55 |
|
chris |
trea: jcamins was saying you can get them in nyc |
| 18:55 |
|
chris |
Slightly closer :) |
| 18:55 |
|
trea |
i'd sooner fly to welington |
| 18:55 |
|
chris |
Hehe |
| 18:56 |
|
jwagner |
I've been threatening almost daily since I got back to move to NZ. I'm sure someone must be hiring down there :-) |
| 18:56 |
|
chris |
I like ny without it, id never have met laurel |
| 18:56 |
|
jwagner |
(In other words, chris, you have a really great country to live in -- me like!) |
| 18:57 |
|
chris |
Windy though :) |
| 18:57 |
|
cait |
the only negative thing is, that it is so far away! |
| 18:57 |
|
jwagner |
Yes, I could do without the wind :-( On the whole, though.... |
| 18:57 |
|
chris |
And crazy roads eh nengard? |
| 18:59 |
|
|
Brooke joined #koha |
| 18:59 |
|
chris |
Ata marie Brooke |
| 18:59 |
|
|
wizzyrea_ left #koha |
| 18:59 |
|
Brooke |
kia ora |
| 19:00 |
|
jcamins |
chris: I didn't say you can get a flat white coffee in NYC. |
| 19:00 |
|
jcamins |
Someone told me you could on this channel, though. |
| 19:00 |
|
chris |
Ohhh |
| 19:00 |
|
Brooke |
mr dukleth perhaps? |
| 19:01 |
|
chris |
Cripes I'm on the pda bus |
| 19:01 |
|
chris |
Get a room! |
| 19:01 |
|
jcamins |
chris: I thought you meant everyone had an Android at first. |
| 19:01 |
|
Brooke |
you're in polynesia. Toughen up :P |
| 19:01 |
|
trea |
ok chopper |
| 19:02 |
|
chris |
Htfu |
| 19:02 |
|
* chris |
assumes that's the chopper you mean :) |
| 19:02 |
|
trea |
yes |
| 19:03 |
|
chris |
Now I have to watch that clip again when I get to work |
| 19:03 |
|
|
wizzyrea_ joined #koha |
| 19:05 |
|
jcamins |
trea: http://tmagazine.blogs.nytimes[…]retto-flat-white/ |
| 19:06 |
|
nengard |
huh? what? was on a call ... whatcha saying chris? |
| 19:07 |
|
nengard |
oh - yes the roads can be a bit insane |
| 19:07 |
|
nengard |
deadly even |
| 19:09 |
|
chris |
K my stop bbiab with coffee |
| 19:10 |
|
chris |
Single biggest killer in nz, cars |
| 19:11 |
|
trea |
i think our time in nz was so enjoyable precisely because we didn't drive |
| 19:14 |
|
nengard |
it wsn't driving that was a problem |
| 19:15 |
|
nengard |
it was driving up a mountain with no guardrail or sholder to speak off - i think my tire hit dirt a few times and if it was just a little further over i would have been at teh bottom of that mountain on the wrong side of the car :) hehe |
| 19:15 |
|
druthb |
hehehe....driving in DC isn't a problem....it's the fact that everyone *else* is driving at the same time! If we could all take turns, would be no problem. |
| 19:16 |
|
trea |
yea, my original comment still stands |
| 19:17 |
|
Brooke |
it's cause you live in MD :P |
| 19:18 |
|
Brooke |
the choice was betwixt bad merging in MD |
| 19:18 |
|
Brooke |
and bad parking in VA |
| 19:18 |
|
Brooke |
clear choice to me :) |
| 19:19 |
|
druthb |
Brooke: I had a car for about two weeks after I moved here. When I called my insurance company and they wanted to *triple* what I was paying in Texas, I told them to scram, and sold the chariot. And lowered my stress level. |
| 19:19 |
|
Brooke |
:D |
| 19:19 |
|
Brooke |
way to go |
| 19:20 |
|
druthb |
I figured that $300/month for insurance, plus fuel, plus inspections, plus $100/month for blood pressure pills was a bit much. |
| 19:20 |
|
jcamins |
Yay! |
| 19:20 |
|
jcamins |
cars-- |
| 19:21 |
|
jcamins |
@karma cars |
| 19:21 |
|
munin |
jcamins: Karma for "cars" has been increased 0 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of -1. |
| 19:21 |
|
druthb |
cars-- |
| 19:21 |
|
chris |
back |
| 19:24 |
|
cait |
cars-- |
| 19:24 |
|
cait |
I can't drive them and get car sick |
| 19:24 |
|
cait |
cars-- |
| 19:24 |
|
|
bigbrovar joined #koha |
| 19:25 |
|
druthb |
@karma druthb |
| 19:25 |
|
munin |
druthb: Karma for "druthb" has been increased 37 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 37. |
| 19:25 |
|
druthb |
@karma jwagner |
| 19:25 |
|
munin |
druthb: Karma for "jwagner" has been increased 49 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 49. |
| 19:25 |
|
druthb |
harrrumph! |
| 19:25 |
|
brendan |
@karma sekjal |
| 19:25 |
|
munin |
brendan: Karma for "sekjal" has been increased 39 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 38. |
| 19:25 |
|
gmcharlt |
@quote add <druthb> harrrumph! |
| 19:25 |
|
munin |
gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. Quote #102 added. |
| 19:26 |
|
jwagner |
Hey, that's MY line!!! |
| 19:26 |
|
* druthb |
giggles like a maniac. |
| 19:26 |
|
cait |
lol |
| 19:26 |
|
cait |
druthb++ |
| 19:26 |
|
trea |
that's a creative commons line. it's in the public domain now |
| 19:26 |
|
jwagner |
me thinks druthb had better watch it or I'll come sneeze and cough on her! |
| 19:27 |
|
* druthb |
may wear a hazmat suit to work tomorrow, just in case. Probably get funny looks on the bus--but is used to that. |
| 19:27 |
|
jcamins |
druthb: you'd get funny looks? |
| 19:27 |
|
jcamins |
Here in NYC, I don't think anyone would blink. |
| 19:28 |
|
jwagner |
a hazmat suit would probably provoke a terror alert, sigh. |
| 19:28 |
|
druthb |
Nearly every day, yup. I get it less in the District proper, but out here in the 'burbs yah. |
| 19:28 |
|
* chris_n |
is amazed at all of the author/owner-less RFCs for 3.4 |
| 19:28 |
|
chris |
mostly come over from the old wiki i bet |
| 19:28 |
|
trea |
druthb: http://bit.ly/9Jn07W |
| 19:29 |
|
nengard |
chris_n -- hence all my comments on not following the template |
| 19:29 |
|
jcamins |
jwagner: yeah, I guess you're right. |
| 19:29 |
|
Brooke |
move over to the People's Republik of Takoma Park, comrade. |
| 19:30 |
|
druthb |
trea++ |
| 19:31 |
|
* chris |
wanders downstairs to chat with anitsirk |
| 19:31 |
|
|
Brooke left #koha |
| 19:31 |
|
|
pauln joined #koha |
| 19:31 |
|
|
richard joined #koha |
| 19:31 |
|
richard |
hi |
| 19:32 |
|
druthb |
Brooke: The only place where I've been concerned about immediate violence was on the Ft. Totten metro platform. Had a scary moment there. |
| 19:34 |
|
jcamins |
Brooke: I thought you worked at a rural library? I didn't realize there were rural libraries in DC suburbs. |
| 19:40 |
|
|
cfouts left #koha |
| 19:40 |
|
druthb |
off to catch the bus. |
| 19:40 |
|
druthb |
public_transit++ |
| 19:40 |
|
* druthb |
waves |
| 19:40 |
|
|
druthb left #koha |
| 19:41 |
|
|
pauln left #koha |
| 19:49 |
|
* chris_n |
notes 620 open enh reqs in bugzilla |
| 19:52 |
|
jcamins |
Was bug 5040 patched in master yet? |
| 19:52 |
|
munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5040 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED, "Distance" misspelled in default framework |
| 19:54 |
|
jcamins |
Nope. |
| 19:54 |
|
jcamins |
Sorry chris_n, I can't close any of my bugs just now. |
| 19:55 |
|
jcamins |
I did change that one from enhancement to trivial. |
| 19:56 |
|
cait |
chris_n: I'll try and sign-off the patch for fines and notices tomorrow |
| 19:56 |
|
chris_n |
cait: tnx |
| 20:00 |
|
cait |
closing some of my bugs right now :) |
| 20:12 |
|
chris |
back |
| 20:14 |
|
cait |
:) |
| 20:14 |
|
magnus |
g'night #koha |
| 20:14 |
|
|
magnus left #koha |
| 20:15 |
|
cait |
chris: will you push my analytics on a branch? we had lively discussion on linking records earlier |
| 20:15 |
|
cait |
I think it will probably not be easy to merge the different concepts |
| 20:16 |
|
chris |
right |
| 20:16 |
|
chris |
hmm, i can push them on an awaiting_qa branch |
| 20:16 |
|
cait |
that would be ok for me - to let people test |
| 20:16 |
|
chris |
new/awaiting_qa/bsz_analytics |
| 20:16 |
|
cait |
and look at it? |
| 20:16 |
|
chris |
people could test from your repo also |
| 20:17 |
|
chris |
you could email koha-devel, and give a link to your public repo |
| 20:17 |
|
chris |
and the branch |
| 20:17 |
|
cait |
hm right |
| 20:17 |
|
chris |
and ask people to test there |
| 20:17 |
|
chris |
i pushed osslabs, because theirs came in in patches, not in a nice branch already :) |
| 20:17 |
|
cait |
when I asked you yesterday if a branch would help you said yes! |
| 20:17 |
|
* cait |
grumbles a little ;) |
| 20:18 |
|
chris |
yes, you having a branch helps me a lot |
| 20:18 |
|
chris |
because it means it odnt have to take a bunch of patches and make a branch |
| 20:18 |
|
chris |
and i can spend the time learning how to type instead |
| 20:18 |
|
* jcamins |
wails and gnashes his teeth |
| 20:19 |
|
cait |
huh |
| 20:19 |
|
* cait |
looks scared |
| 20:19 |
|
cait |
you type wonderful, much better than me ;) |
| 20:19 |
|
jcamins |
Apparently the only way to make searches for accented characters to work is to open each record in the Koha record editor and save it. |
| 20:19 |
|
cait |
? |
| 20:19 |
|
cait |
that doesn't sound good |
| 20:20 |
|
chris |
cait: i can make a branch under git.koha-community.org and then you can ask people to test it from there, or you can ask them to test it from your repo .. i dont mind either way, what do you prefer? |
| 20:20 |
|
cait |
we use icu... but that has it's own problems |
| 20:20 |
|
cait |
chris: that's a good question |
| 20:20 |
|
cait |
I was thinking about writing my own rfc |
| 20:20 |
|
chris |
now thats a good idea |
| 20:20 |
|
cait |
jcamins: what do you think? |
| 20:20 |
|
jcamins |
I have 175363 records in this database. That's an awful lot of records to open and save. :( |
| 20:20 |
|
jcamins |
cait: I'd definitely like to see your RFC. |
| 20:21 |
|
chris |
jcamins: are you changing anything? |
| 20:21 |
|
chris |
and does the save change anything? |
| 20:21 |
|
jcamins |
And as you probably gathered from our lively discussion earlier, I am liable to comment. :) |
| 20:21 |
|
chris |
or does it just make zebra reindex? |
| 20:21 |
|
cait |
and I had hoped you would accept to proof read it - because I had writing longer things in english |
| 20:21 |
|
chris |
cos if its just zebra, rebuild_zebra.pl -r |
| 20:21 |
|
cait |
had = hat |
| 20:21 |
|
cait |
e |
| 20:21 |
|
cait |
my |
| 20:21 |
|
jcamins |
chris: no, I'm not changing anything, I think it's just changing the unicode normalization. |
| 20:21 |
|
cait |
better learn typing first... |
| 20:21 |
|
jcamins |
The records are in the index. |
| 20:22 |
|
chris |
jcamins: but wrongly if they arent being searched eh? |
| 20:22 |
|
braedon|h |
jcamins: can't you write a script to batch process the normalisation? |
| 20:22 |
|
chris |
jcamins: what im driving at, is the save changing the marcxml in biblioitems |
| 20:22 |
|
chris |
cos if its not, a full reindex is all you need, if it is, then you need to do what braedon|h is suggesting :) |
| 20:24 |
|
braedon|h |
scripts are always the answer :) |
| 20:26 |
|
jcamins |
chris: I'm guessing that braedon|h is right. |
| 20:26 |
|
braedon|h |
you could probably actually write a simple firefox plugin to edit and save all your records |
| 20:27 |
|
braedon|h |
(or depending on the save mechanism, do it via a command line script) |
| 20:28 |
|
jcamins |
I'll do a bit more investigation. |
| 20:30 |
|
jcamins |
And maybe wail and gnash my teeth a bit more. |
| 20:30 |
|
chris |
if you arent changing anything |
| 20:30 |
|
chris |
the script could be as simple as |
| 20:30 |
|
chris |
select biblionumber from biblio; |
| 20:30 |
|
chris |
iterate over that |
| 20:30 |
|
chris |
get record, save record |
| 20:30 |
|
chris |
done |
| 20:31 |
|
braedon|h |
so there are get/save functions you can easily call externally? |
| 20:32 |
|
|
saorge_ left #koha |
| 20:32 |
|
|
saorge joined #koha |
| 20:33 |
|
braedon|h |
no benefit in a higher level firefox plugin then :P |
| 20:33 |
|
chris |
all in C4/Biblio.pm |
| 20:38 |
|
munin |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5112: Organisation does not show links to professionals <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]5506d6ea97c11fe14> |
| 20:38 |
|
* jcamins |
wails and gnashes his teeth again - MarcEdit has broken. |
| 20:39 |
|
* braedon|h |
feels sorry for jcamins' teeth |
| 20:39 |
|
cait |
yay! |
| 20:39 |
|
|
braedon|h is now known as braedon |
| 20:39 |
|
* cait |
gives jcamins another cookie |
| 20:39 |
|
nengard |
jcamins, i had that problem and i had to downgrade to an older version |
| 20:39 |
|
cait |
better chew on that |
| 20:39 |
|
jcamins |
cait++ |
| 20:39 |
|
nengard |
and then after a few weeks tried upgrading back to the new one and it worked |
| 20:40 |
|
jcamins |
nengard: probably there was a broken version. I haven't used MarcEdit in a while. |
| 20:43 |
|
jcamins |
Hey, can I just pull a single record out of a binary MARC file? |
| 20:43 |
|
nengard |
um |
| 20:43 |
|
jcamins |
I seem to recall that it's safe to just cat a bunch of MARC records together. |
| 20:43 |
|
nengard |
i don't know |
| 20:44 |
|
jcamins |
Well, we'll find out soon. :) |
| 20:44 |
|
hudsonbot |
Starting build 142 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 20:45 |
|
gmcharlt |
jcamins: yes, it's safe |
| 20:45 |
|
brendan |
for marcedit - I just uninstalled and reinstalled with the new one and it worked great |
| 20:48 |
|
jcamins |
Well, if MarcEdit finishes downloading before I extract this record with my handy text editor, I'll do that. :) |
| 20:49 |
|
|
trea_ joined #koha |
| 20:50 |
|
|
trea left #koha |
| 20:50 |
|
|
trea_ is now known as trea |
| 20:50 |
|
jcamins |
Hm. I don't think this record is 136kb. |
| 20:52 |
|
jcamins |
As it turns out, I finished at the same time as the download. |
| 20:58 |
|
munin |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5385: POD Cleanups (part 2) <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]89148f2bb99149e51> / Bug 5385: POD Cleanups (part 1) <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]321141ec0d23d3268> |
| 21:04 |
|
hudsonbot |
Project Koha_Master build #142: SUCCESS in 19 min: http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]/Koha_Master/142/ |
| 21:04 |
|
hudsonbot |
Katrin Fischer: Bug 5112: Organisation does not show links to professionals |
| 21:04 |
|
hudsonbot |
Starting build 143 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 21:07 |
|
hudsonbot |
Project Koha_Master build #143: FAILURE in 2 min 37 sec: http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]/Koha_Master/143/ |
| 21:07 |
|
hudsonbot |
* Andrew Elwell: Bug 5385: POD Cleanups (part 1) |
| 21:07 |
|
hudsonbot |
* Andrew Elwell: Bug 5385: POD Cleanups (part 2) |
| 21:07 |
|
chris |
ohh, best i go check that out |
| 21:08 |
|
chris |
ah ha |
| 21:08 |
|
chris |
yay for unit tests |
| 21:08 |
|
chris |
Error: Global symbol "@positionsForX" requires explicit package name at /var/lib/hudson/jobs/Koha_Master/workspace/C4/Barcodes/PrinterConfig.pm line 86. |
| 21:08 |
|
chris |
doing exactly what they are supposed to do |
| 21:09 |
|
* chris |
goes to fixinate |
| 21:10 |
|
* larsw |
waves a banner saying "unit tests ftw" |
| 21:10 |
|
gmcharlt |
bah |
| 21:11 |
|
* gmcharlt |
should have been more paranoid |
| 21:11 |
|
chris |
well i should run the tests locally first |
| 21:11 |
|
* chris_n |
does 'prove' before pushing |
| 21:11 |
|
chris_n |
always |
| 21:11 |
|
chris_n |
snap |
| 21:11 |
|
chris |
yup, my git hook does that for me, if i commit |
| 21:11 |
|
chris |
but i was lazy and didnt sign the merge, no commit |
| 21:12 |
|
* chris |
will make them run on merge too |
| 21:13 |
|
cait |
going to switch laptops |
| 21:14 |
|
chris |
interestingly enough |
| 21:14 |
|
|
cait left #koha |
| 21:14 |
|
chris |
that line wasnt changed by the patch |
| 21:15 |
|
chris |
i cant see how that file ever worked |
| 21:16 |
|
chris |
ahh |
| 21:16 |
|
chris |
yes i do |
| 21:17 |
|
chris |
or not |
| 21:17 |
|
chris |
hehe |
| 21:18 |
|
chris |
ahhh yeah |
| 21:18 |
|
chris |
-my @positionsForX; # Takes all the X positions of the pdf file. |
| 21:18 |
|
chris |
=head2 my @positionsForX; |
| 21:18 |
|
jcamins |
I was right. |
| 21:18 |
|
chris |
thats not the same thing :) |
| 21:19 |
|
chris |
mind you theres no reason those variables should be global anyway |
| 21:19 |
|
jcamins |
Saving the record results in the Unicode being normalized. |
| 21:19 |
|
* chris |
will fix the pod and the variables |
| 21:20 |
|
|
cait joined #koha |
| 21:21 |
|
cait |
re |
| 21:21 |
|
chris |
heya cait |
| 21:22 |
|
cait |
cleaned the fan today - seems to work better know |
| 21:22 |
|
chris |
excellent |
| 21:23 |
|
nengard |
chris_n |
| 21:23 |
|
nengard |
new label maker issue |
| 21:23 |
|
nengard |
i'm on head and when i select multiple titles from the search results on the add to batch |
| 21:23 |
|
nengard |
only one is added :( |
| 21:23 |
|
chris |
!hudson build koha_master now |
| 21:23 |
|
hudsonbot |
chris: job koha_master build scheduled now |
| 21:23 |
|
hudsonbot |
Starting build 144 for job Koha_Master (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #142 39 min ago) |
| 21:23 |
|
|
cfouts joined #koha |
| 21:25 |
|
jcamins |
Should we have a script included with Koha, say in the misc/migration_tools directory that will resave in order to correct Unicode normalization? |
| 21:26 |
|
* chris_n |
swats vainly at the horde of bugs swarming about |
| 21:27 |
|
|
jwagner left #koha |
| 21:28 |
|
munin |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5385 - Fixing an error that crept in with the POD cleanup <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]1ff106595ebd55224> |
| 21:31 |
|
jcamins |
Good night, #koha |
| 21:31 |
|
|
jcamins is now known as jcamins_a |
| 21:37 |
|
|
brendan_l joined #koha |
| 21:38 |
|
munin |
New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_4305' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]57706c48ce28e86aa> / Bug 5385 - Fixing an error that crept in with the POD cleanup <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]4f423a212fa4b362c> / bug 4305: add a couple test cases for _isbn_cleanup <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koh |
| 21:42 |
|
hudsonbot |
Yippie, build fixed! |
| 21:42 |
|
hudsonbot |
Project Koha_Master build #144: FIXED in 19 min: http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]/Koha_Master/144/ |
| 21:42 |
|
hudsonbot |
Chris Cormack: Bug 5385 - Fixing an error that crept in with the POD cleanup |
| 21:43 |
|
hudsonbot |
Starting build 145 for job Koha_Master (previous build: FIXED) |
| 21:47 |
|
|
brendan_l left #koha |
| 21:50 |
|
chris_n |
robin++ # for reminding us that words have more than one meaning |
| 21:59 |
|
robin |
chris_n: :) |
| 22:02 |
|
hudsonbot |
Project Koha_Master build #145: SUCCESS in 19 min: http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]/Koha_Master/145/ |
| 22:02 |
|
hudsonbot |
* Colin Campbell: Bug 4305 Improve code flow |
| 22:02 |
|
hudsonbot |
* Galen Charlton: bug 4305: add a couple test cases for _isbn_cleanup |
| 22:02 |
|
hudsonbot |
* Chris Cormack: Bug 5385 - Fixing an error that crept in with the POD cleanup |
| 22:03 |
|
|
trea left #koha |
| 22:03 |
|
|
cait left #koha |
| 22:07 |
|
|
cait joined #koha |
| 22:08 |
|
cait |
re |
| 22:09 |
|
|
kmkale left #koha |
| 22:10 |
|
|
brendan_l joined #koha |
| 22:13 |
|
|
bigbrovar left #koha |
| 22:19 |
|
|
brendan_l left #koha |
| 22:22 |
|
|
kmkale joined #koha |
| 22:33 |
|
chris |
cfouts: the expat is bad came out of liblime a while back, and may no longer be true |
| 22:33 |
|
chris |
lemme find the emails |
| 22:33 |
|
cfouts |
Thanks. I would love to see! |
| 22:35 |
|
chris |
heh |
| 22:36 |
|
chris |
i can find me telling people to use it in 2006 |
| 22:36 |
|
chris |
As for this error, I think installing |
| 22:36 |
|
chris |
XML::SAX::Expat will fix it |
| 22:36 |
|
chris |
so sometime after then, and between now, it became bad :) |
| 22:39 |
|
chris |
apparently an issue with diacritics |
| 22:40 |
|
cfouts |
do you remember a test case? |
| 22:41 |
|
chris |
do you ahve an arabic, or a chinese record (or even french) |
| 22:43 |
|
chris |
ah ha!! |
| 22:43 |
|
chris |
http://www.nntp.perl.org/group[…]6/05/msg2369.html |
| 22:43 |
|
chris |
my google foo is weak, it found me longer to find that than it should have :) |
| 22:44 |
|
chris |
i imagine those files no longer exist tho ;( |
| 22:47 |
|
cfouts |
no, surely not. I don't even know where "liblime.com" was hosted at that time. |
| 22:47 |
|
chris |
somewhere in dallas i think |
| 22:47 |
|
chris |
spry is ringing a bell |
| 22:48 |
|
cfouts |
yes, those are long gone |
| 22:58 |
|
|
cait left #koha |
| 23:07 |
|
|
nengard left #koha |
| 23:25 |
|
jcamins_a |
Was someone asking for an Arabic record? |
| 23:25 |
|
|
jcamins_a is now known as jcamins |
| 23:26 |
|
jcamins |
Grr. ln:ara isn't working on this version. Forgot about that. |
| 23:27 |
|
|
wizzyrea_ left #koha |
| 23:28 |
|
cfouts |
well, I can't break it in the way Josh described, though his description was very vague regarding the Expat failure. |
| 23:28 |
|
jcamins |
cfouts: would you like a record in Cyrillic? |
| 23:28 |
|
cfouts |
thanks, yes |
| 23:29 |
|
cfouts |
I fudged one on my own, but a more authentic test case would be helpful |
| 23:29 |
|
jcamins |
cfouts: http://donum.numismatics.org/c[…]blionumber=175519 |
| 23:30 |
|
jcamins |
If the download from the OPAC will do for you, there's that. If you need it exported, I can get that for you in five minutes. |
| 23:30 |
|
gmcharlt |
cfouts: I've confirmed that PurePerl is broken with respect to MARC::File::XML (not that that's relevant) |
| 23:30 |
|
gmcharlt |
cfouts: I've not thus far found any problems with using Expat |
| 23:31 |
|
jcamins |
You would think after we sent out a press release showing off the Arabic capabilities of DONUM that I would have some idea what record it was that had Arabic in it... |
| 23:32 |
|
jcamins |
This record uses macrons: http://donum.numismatics.org/c[…]biblionumber=1081 |
| 23:36 |
|
cfouts |
what's a macron? |
| 23:37 |
|
jcamins |
The bar over vowels used in Arabic transliteration. |
| 23:37 |
|
chris |
and MÄori |
| 23:37 |
|
jcamins |
Yes, that too. |
| 23:37 |
|
* jcamins |
doesn't know how to type macrons, actually |
| 23:38 |
|
chris |
its a double vowel, or a long sound at least in te reo it is |
| 23:42 |
|
jcamins |
Okay, this is just absurd. |
| 23:42 |
|
cfouts |
http://treebeard.liblime.com/c[…]xpat-marc-test.pl |
| 23:43 |
|
jcamins |
I cannot find the record with the Arabic. |
| 23:43 |
|
cfouts |
test script. contains diacritics, hirigana, arabic, hebrew, and accented latin chars |
| 23:45 |
|
* jcamins |
gives up and goes to figure out what to do about dinner. |
| 23:45 |
|
chris |
have u tried with plan Expat? |
| 23:46 |
|
cfouts |
no |
| 23:46 |
|
chris |
seems to work ok too, i wish we had that several.mrc file |
| 23:47 |
|
chris |
without it, its pretty hard to know exactly what was causing the error |
| 23:47 |
|
cfouts |
indeed |
| 23:48 |
|
chris |
AH HA |
| 23:48 |
|
gmcharlt |
found it? |
| 23:48 |
|
chris |
i can make Expat barf |
| 23:48 |
|
chris |
if i change the leader |
| 23:48 |
|
chris |
to say the record is marc8 |
| 23:48 |
|
chris |
but give it utf8 |
| 23:49 |
|
chris |
i wonder if that was the issue |
| 23:49 |
|
cfouts |
isn't that a feature? |
| 23:49 |
|
chris |
well it only sorta barfs |
| 23:49 |
|
jcamins |
cfouts: I would've thought so, but apparently Z39.50 doesn't reliably report encoding. |
| 23:49 |
|
chris |
Wide character in print at ./expat-marc-test.pl line 123. |
| 23:49 |
|
chris |
Wide character in subroutine entry at /usr/share/perl5/MARC/Charset/Table.pm line 96. |
| 23:50 |
|
chris |
prints the marc, aslpodes trying to print the xml |
| 23:50 |
|
cfouts |
yeah, the ISO still comes out fine. |
| 23:50 |
|
chris |
you should be able to replicate if you change the 9th char from an a to space |
| 23:50 |
|
chris |
yeah |
| 23:50 |
|
jcamins |
chris: why can't we catch that and fallback to assuming it's MARC-8? |
| 23:51 |
|
chris |
cos it might be exploding for lots of reasons |
| 23:51 |
|
gmcharlt |
jcamins: MARC-8 is not the only game in town |
| 23:51 |
|
chris |
what he said |
| 23:51 |
|
robin |
chris: that can be fixed by telling Perl to output as UTF8, no? |
| 23:51 |
|
cfouts |
LibXML barfs then, too |
| 23:51 |
|
robin |
open my $fh, '>:utf8', $file |
| 23:52 |
|
jcamins |
gmcharlt: but those are the only two options for a MARC record, aren't they? |
| 23:52 |
|
gmcharlt |
jcamins: I wish |
| 23:52 |
|
chris |
robin: not really no, its silently dying on $record->as_xml(); |
| 23:52 |
|
robin |
ah ok |
| 23:52 |
|
gmcharlt |
the reality is that there are at least half a dozen character encodings that one can run into |
| 23:53 |
|
gmcharlt |
just within the borders of USA |
| 23:53 |
|
gmcharlt |
and more legacy encodings if you look across the ponds |
| 23:53 |
|
robin |
I've started using Encoding::FixLatin to get things as UTF8-y as I can |
| 23:54 |
|
* jcamins |
clearly doesn't want to think about this |
| 23:54 |
|
* jcamins |
also needs to actually leave his computer so he can eat dinner |
| 23:54 |
|
|
jcamins is now known as jcamins_a |
| 23:54 |
|
chris |
but yeah if this is dying on LibXML it might not have been the original problem |
| 23:55 |
|
gmcharlt |
chris: I'm pretty sure it isn't |
| 23:55 |
|
gmcharlt |
yet another glitch with MARC::Charset, not the one that kados was running into back then |
| 23:55 |
|
chris |
it is one that causes the error |
| 23:55 |
|
chris |
that was reported on the mailing list |
| 23:56 |
|
chris |
yesterday i think |
| 23:56 |
|
gmcharlt |
yeah, but needing to make sure that the Leader/09 for MARC21 UTF-8 records is set correctly is a known error |
| 23:57 |
|
chris |
2. When I importing a record using z39.50, after clicking the Save and |
| 23:57 |
|
chris |
view record button, I get the message "Tag "" is not a valid tag. at |
| 23:57 |
|
chris |
/usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Biblio.pm line 1863" |
| 23:57 |
|
chris |
those kidna errors are the ones you run into, when you tell z3950 that you are expecting utf8 and it gives you marc8 |
| 23:58 |
|
chris |
gmcharlt: yep |
