IRC log for #koha, 2010-11-12

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00:03 munin brendan_l: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 16.9�C (4:20 PM PST on November 11, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Pressure: 30.22 in 1023.2 hPa (Steady).
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00:28 chris_n @wunder 28334
00:28 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 7.3�C (7:42 PM EST on November 11, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: -7.0�C. Windchill: 7.0�C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1015.8 hPa (Rising).
00:31 wasabi ive just bumped into a nasty prod error...
00:31 wasabi[…]ti&q=honour+sword
00:31 chris scroll back
00:31 wasabi a bad-character causes an opac search to barf :/
00:32 chris i bet its because its saying its utf8
00:32 wasabi :)
00:32 chris when its marc8
00:32 chris or vice versa ;)
00:32 robin I think even MARC-8 is probably expecting a bit much. It's probably CP1215 or something odd.
00:32 wasabi yeah, something close to that
00:34 wasabi quick-fix? , wrap that bitch in an eval{} somewhere
00:35 chris it'll just barf in other places then
00:36 chris find the record try changing the leader
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00:37 cfouts wasabi: I've seen that when there are Latin-1 chars mistakenly in a utf-8 record.
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00:37 cfouts Koha does not do good charset checking on record import
00:38 robin We need a scrubber utility that cleans everything and outputs as UTF-8
00:39 gmcharlt bit more than that, although that would help
00:39 gmcharlt MARC::Charset could stand to be a little less fiddly
00:40 chris *nod*
00:40 gmcharlt and MARC::File::XML shoudn't be so reliant on the Leader/09
00:40 chris yeah, cos thats almost never right :)
00:41 jcamins_a robin++ # because if we'd had that scrubber utility the ANS's database wouldn't be so messed up
00:41 munin New commit(s) kohagit32: Bug 5385 - Fixing an error that crept in with the POD cleanup <[…]c598731ff6bc11794> / bug 4305: add a couple test cases for _isbn_cleanup <[…]8b13adc12c006b51b> / Bug 4305 Improve code flow <[…]a=commitdiff;h=c8
00:42 robin jcamins_a: yeah, I've been having issues with imports containing badly-formed characters, so my CSV-to-marc script forces everything to UTF-8 now.
00:42 brendan_l scub on a case by case basis - or batch?
00:43 wasabi looks like its an  'é'  character in the 520a, in this record of mine...
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00:44 robin in my case, on conversion, but I'd be inclined to make a batch one. Possibly even on every record that goes in too, although I'm not sure if changing them is considered bad or not.
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00:44 gmcharlt brendan_l: scrub rigorously for ingest - do everything possible to ensure that records in the datbase are UTF-8 and correctly claim that they are
00:44 jcamins Yes.
00:44 jcamins So you don't end up with something like what the ANS has.
00:44 hudsonbot Starting build 30 for job Koha_3.2.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
00:45 brendan_l yeah just trying to think of the workflow - that's it - usually batch wins out
00:46 robin > Firefox kan de server op niet vinden.
00:46 robin ^-- chris, feeling bored? :)
00:46 robin oh
00:46 robin typos won't help my test
00:47 robin ah, it still doesn't exist.
00:47 chris never has
00:47 chris afaik
00:47 robin yeah, was suggesting it should :)
00:47 chris mj runs a planet
00:47 chris lemme find it
00:48 chris ahh its broked :(
00:48 wasabi thanks for the info folks
00:48 chris ive run out of machines to put one on ;)
00:51 munin New commit(s) kohagit32: Fix for Bug 5075 - Terms not highlighted w/ xslt on <[…]f21fbf8d333907396> / Fix for Bug 5254 - no need to scroll left to right on acq z search <[…]c031cadb77fc6663a> / bug 5235 : circ receipt should include name <
00:56 * Brooke is definitely not playing WOW
00:56 Brooke >.>
00:56 Brooke <.<
01:03 robin |
01:03 robin -+-
01:03 robin |
01:03 robin damn
01:03 robin missed the space :/
01:03 * Brooke comforts robin
01:03 Brooke dorkin' ain't easy, yo
01:04 robin tru dat
01:07 hudsonbot Project Koha_3.2.x build #30: SUCCESS in 22 min:[…]ob/Koha_3.2.x/30/
01:07 hudsonbot * Katrin Fischer: Bug 5112: Organisation does not show links to professionals
01:07 hudsonbot * Andrew Elwell: Bug 5385: POD Cleanups (part 1)
01:07 hudsonbot * Andrew Elwell: Bug 5385: POD Cleanups (part 2)
01:07 hudsonbot * Colin Campbell: Bug 4305 Improve code flow
01:07 hudsonbot * Galen Charlton: bug 4305: add a couple test cases for _isbn_cleanup
01:07 hudsonbot * Chris Cormack: Bug 5385 - Fixing an error that crept in with the POD cleanup
01:08 hudsonbot Starting build 31 for job Koha_3.2.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
01:09 wasabi interesting encoding info....
01:09 wasabi[…]org/msg01102.html
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01:23 munin New commit(s) kohagit: bug 5389: mark Business::ISBN as a required dependency <[…]4a9afdaa2f5eb0c7a>
01:23 * LBA Nighty night all!
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01:30 hudsonbot Starting build 146 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS)
01:31 hudsonbot Project Koha_3.2.x build #31: SUCCESS in 23 min:[…]ob/Koha_3.2.x/31/
01:31 hudsonbot * Srdjan Jankovic: bug5027: skip unticked checkboxes when submitting in the background.
01:31 hudsonbot * Srdjan Jankovic: bug 5309: Adjust progres bar
01:31 hudsonbot * Galen Charlton: fix use of outdated boilerplate
01:31 hudsonbot * Galen Charlton: bug 5309: tweak so that background progress doesn't exit immediately
01:31 hudsonbot * Colin Campbell: Bug 5315: Remove references to obsolete variable nbstatements
01:31 hudsonbot * Nicole Engard: bug 5235 : circ receipt should include name
01:31 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 5254 - no need to scroll left to right on acq z search
01:31 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 5075 - Terms not highlighted w/ xslt on
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01:34 chris_n !hudson botsnack popcorn & coke
01:34 hudsonbot chris_n: you're so kind to me! I just love popcorn & coke!
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01:41 munin New commit(s) kohagit32: bug 5389: mark Business::ISBN as a required dependency <[…]4d020f06905aa2312>
01:44 hudsonbot Starting build 32 for job Koha_3.2.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
01:51 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #146: SUCCESS in 21 min:[…]/Koha_Master/146/
01:51 hudsonbot Galen Charlton: bug 5389: mark Business::ISBN as a required dependency
02:05 hudsonbot Project Koha_3.2.x build #32: SUCCESS in 20 min:[…]ob/Koha_3.2.x/32/
02:05 hudsonbot Galen Charlton: bug 5389: mark Business::ISBN as a required dependency
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02:26 chris heya danielg1
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03:48 braedon the devel list is busy today
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04:35 kmkale hi all
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05:17 kmkale bbl
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05:37 cait good morning
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06:32 cait robin++
06:51 cait @wunder Konstanz
06:51 munin cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 12.0�C (8:00 AM CET on November 12, 2010). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.64 in 1004 hPa (Rising).
06:52 cait @wunder wellington, nz
06:52 munin cait: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 16.0�C (8:00 PM NZDT on November 12, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
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07:28 chris evening
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08:03 magnus ata marie, #koha
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08:26 kf hi #koha
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09:09 braedon @wunder auckland
09:09 munin braedon: The current temperature in Auckland, New Zealand is 15.0�C (10:00 PM NZDT on November 12, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady).
09:21 magnus @wunder bodo, norway
09:21 munin magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 0.0�C (10:20 AM CET on November 12, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: -7.0�C. Windchill: -7.0�C. Pressure: 29.00 in 982 hPa (Steady).
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09:41 ray good day!
09:42 magnus hiya ray
09:42 ray is it possible to insert an image link to the left link portion of koha's opac?
09:42 ray hello magnus
09:43 magnus ray: you can put any html you like in the OpacNav syspref
09:47 ray but when i put a direct link to an image using its URL it won't appear.
09:50 magnus hm, that's strange. what does the link look like?
09:51 kf ray: what does your html look like? you can use to paste the code.
09:52 ray the result it goes like this... my_ip_address/my_link
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09:53 ray my machines own ip address is included in the link even if i did'nt put it in the link i entered
09:53 ray my machine's own ip address is included in the link even if i did'nt put it in the link i entered
09:55 ray <a href="">​/sites/default/files/images/logo-paascu.png</a>
09:56 magnus ray: you need to start the link with http://
09:56 magnus and use an img tag for the url of the picture
09:57 ray when i hover my mouse instead of pointing to "" the resulting link is ""
09:57 ray ok i'll try
09:57 magnus ray: yup that's because the url doesn't start with http...
10:00 ray i did it! i just forgot to insert an image tag.. Thank You!
10:00 ray i did it! i forgot to insert an image tag.. Thank You!
10:03 magnus np! :-)
10:10 slef another happy customer... meanwhile, I think I've found the reason for mysql deadlocking - this library is still using the zebraqueue daemon and it took too long once and seems to keep trying to get locks very very slowly.
10:13 kf hi slef
10:14 magnus slef: yeah, the zebraqueue daemon can be evil... ;-)
10:16 slef magnus: thing is, a triggerable daemon's clearly the right way to do things, isn't it?  Real-time index updating, and so on.
10:16 slef for now, I'll ask to switch the library to cron jobs.
10:17 magnus yeah, the daemon seemed to work fine, except for the side effects...
10:18 magnus probably a good idea...
10:18 maragar hello. I have abit of trouble with barcode scaling in patron cards. small nubres produce way too thick bars and my scanner has trouble reading them
10:18 magnus slef: i saw this drop in load when i did the switch:[…]oha-load-week.png
10:19 slef maragar: 3.0?  I think the card printer is rewritten in 3.2 although I've not tested it yet.
10:20 maragar is there any way I can add a extra string to generated cardnumbers..... like surename+cardnumber or something?
10:20 slef maragar: in 3.0, I think you need to make sure your number range is high enough, or hack the patron card printer code to use a less wide bar.
10:21 maragar I have latest live cd installed.... so its 3.2 as far as I know
10:22 slef maragar: ah, I can't help yet then. Sorry. Unless someone else can, try emailing the list / posting to the forum.
10:22 slef magnus: ow, yuck. I've nothing like that load from the daemon.
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10:25 kf magnus: quite impressive
10:29 magnus yeah, my jaw dropped a bit when i saw that
11:24 * chris_n 's too
11:24 chris_n @wunder 28334
11:24 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 2.4�C (6:38 AM EST on November 12, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Windchill: 2.0�C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1013.8 hPa (Steady).
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12:38 druthb @quote random
12:38 munin druthb: Quote #12: "<owen> Every time you check in a book a little video loads and Nancy Pearl recites her capsule review of it." (added by gmcharlt at 02:36 PM, July 06, 2009)
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13:03 owen Hi #koha
13:03 jwagner hi owen
13:06 gmcharlt chris_n: is there a template update to go along with your patch for bug 5379 ?
13:06 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5379 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, cnighswonger, ASSIGNED, fails with db insert/update errors
13:07 chris_n gmcharlt: I'll submit one with the patch I break out for bug 5366
13:07 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5366 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Standing enh req for code changes enabling database agnosticism
13:08 chris_n since that problem was clearly related to the underlying db
13:08 gmcharlt right
13:09 gmcharlt the patron attribute problem is easy enough to reproduce
13:10 gmcharlt hi sylvar
13:17 sylvar howdy gmcharlt
13:21 * Elwell reappears and passes chris a beer for fixing his commit. ahem.
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13:53 jcamins Good morning, #koha
13:54 druthb howdy, jcamins. :)
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14:20 owen I try to keep up to date by reading the IRC log, but when you guys start talking about MARC minutiae I start scrolling
14:20 jcamins owen: awww.
14:21 owen But I'm glad /someone/ is talking about it :)
14:21 jcamins MARC is fun!
14:21 jcamins Kind of like root canal surgeries.
14:21 jcamins :D
14:21 jcamins marc--
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14:22 owen Hi cfouts
14:23 cfouts good morning, owen
14:23 cfouts how is beautiful SE Ohio today?
14:23 owen It's pretty nice... sunny and crisp.
14:24 owen The fall color is almost completely gone though
14:24 jcamins cfouts: I had a question about the XML parser thing... do you test that just by changing the ParserDetails.ini file?
14:26 cfouts jcamins: you can do it that way, though setting it via "$XML::SAX::ParserPackage = 'XML::SAX::ExpatXS';" isolates it to that single script.
14:31 jcamins Ah.
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14:32 jcamins Wait, in that case why don't we just use XML::SAX::ParserPackage = 'XML::LibXML::SAX::Parser';?
14:32 jcamins I mean, to avoid the editing bit.
14:33 jcamins The editing bit in the installation procedure.
14:33 jcamins Good morning, sekjal.
14:33 sekjal morning jcamins!
14:40 gmcharlt jcamins: a matter of making sure that every use of MARC::File::XML sees the right parser
14:40 gmcharlt jcamins: but you're correct that that would be better
14:41 jcamins gmcharlt: I guess there's an encapsulation problem with that?
14:41 * jcamins hasn't looked at the use of MARC::File::XML at all.
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14:46 kf hi jcamins, sekjal and gmcharlt
14:46 jcamins Hi kf
14:46 sekjal morning kf!
14:48 kf nah, near time for the weekend
14:48 kf :)
14:49 * jcamins is jealous
14:52 kf chris_n: around?
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15:05 jcamins How would one map 952$h ("Serial enumeration/chronology") to MFHD?
15:05 magnus what's MFHD?
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15:06 jcamins MARC21 Format for Holdings Data.
15:06 sekjal magnus: evil
15:06 jcamins One of the more horrifying aspects of MARC, IMHO.
15:06 sekjal jcamins: I don't think we can map 942$h to MFHD very well
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15:06 sekjal MFHD to 952$h, maybe
15:07 jcamins Okay, that's what I thought.
15:07 sekjal MFHD is a snarl of all kind of interrelated codes, and 952$h is just flat text
15:08 jcamins Yeah.
15:08 * jcamins sighs
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15:09 sekjal the workflow I see:  952$h would be populated by a Bindery tool
15:09 jcamins Ooh, kf rebased!
15:09 jcamins kf++
15:10 sekjal you'd specify which serials issues should be part of the new item, then send them off to be bound.  receive, and the new item (with 952$h) is created
15:10 kf yep, I did
15:10 kf chris taught me at kohacon :)
15:10 kf chris##
15:10 kf chris
15:10 kf chris++
15:10 * kf can't type :(
15:11 magnus kf: good think the weekend is just about to start ;-)
15:11 magnus s/think/thing/
15:11 jcamins sekjal: that makes sense.
15:12 kf sekjal: you talk about bindings?
15:14 jcamins Sadly, it also doesn't resolve my conundrum. I have a 5-volume encyclopedia in 6 parts which is both analyzed and given a collective record.
15:15 jcamins So now I'm trying to figure out what to do about the item records.
15:15 sekjal kf: talking about taking loose serials issues, sending them to a binding company, and getting a book back
15:16 kf interesting :)
15:16 kf are you developing something in this direction?
15:16 sekjal kf:  not actively, no
15:16 kf we had a library asking about it
15:16 sekjal but I've been planning it for years
15:16 sekjal okay, year+
15:17 kf it's the one point they are missing enough to take another system
15:17 chris_n heya kf
15:17 sekjal I am going to be doing a lot of serials work in the near future, but I don't know if bindery will be included
15:17 sekjal it's less popular these days
15:17 sekjal all them electronic journals
15:18 kf chris_n: signed-off - works great!
15:20 jcamins kf: what bindery features do they want?
15:20 jcamins I've never used the serials module, but I thought that it was possible to check in serials without creating item records.
15:20 kf binding serials, manage waht they send to the bookbinder, manage how the binded volume will look like (color, font, etc), claims
15:21 jcamins Ah.
15:21 kf print letters for the bookbinder with the information
15:21 chris_n kf: tnx!
15:21 jcamins Yeah, that's definitely not done.
15:21 kf not sure they need all of that - I am not a bindings expert
15:21 jcamins (not that I doubted you, it just didn't occur to me that an ILS would do that)
15:21 kf but they are using this module in ... another system right know
15:21 kf which can do that
15:22 chris_n kf: I think it only ever worked before when the biblionumber happened to be an itemnumber as well
15:22 kf so normally they don't want to loose the functionality
15:22 kf chris_n: that makes sense... in a way
15:22 kf and if I was testing with a small amount of borrowers and items.. I have probably seen an amount there sometimes
15:22 kf I did a lot of testing, almost all borrowers had fines
15:23 chris_n same here...
15:23 kf this system was clean, only one checkout at all
15:23 kf no fines
15:23 kf should be really ok now :) and the fine was incrementing
15:23 chris_n if the first 100 bibs had one item each, it is entirely possible the numbers sync'd
15:24 kf true
15:24 kf nah, it will work, that's good enough forme :)
15:25 owen Is the Anonymize patron history tool safe to use? Anyone using it in a live system?
15:25 sekjal owen: I think it breaks some statistics
15:26 kf owen: interested in that too - was not brave enough to use it yet
15:26 owen sekjal: that's not good
15:26 sekjal don't know that for sure, but I recall some discussion about it at KohaCon
15:30 * owen grumbles
15:41 kf owen: we thought the problem was , that it is deleting the borrowernumber completely
15:41 kf so you can't find out later, which borrower category it was
15:41 kf but needs testing to make sure about that
15:41 kf perhaps the information is still logged in the statistics table or somewhere else
15:47 wizzyrea as far as I can tell it pretty well nukes everything about that patron from the records
15:47 kf closing_bugs++ :)
15:48 magnus it works on db table old_issues, not issues - and sets borrowernumber = NULL
15:48 magnus[…];hb=HEAD
15:48 magnus[…].pm;hb=HEAD#l2386
15:49 wizzyrea erm, revision I *meant* old info
15:49 wizzyrea lord help us if you anonymized and you nuked stuff out of issues
15:49 * wizzyrea cowers in fear
15:52 magnus issues/old_issues only has the borrowernumber, so yeah, you loose tha ability to do stats by borrower category
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16:10 magnus hiya trea
16:11 * trea waves
16:11 trea how goes it
16:14 jcamins Harrumph!
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16:15 wizzyrea that bad eh
16:15 kf hi trea
16:15 jcamins wizzyrea: I am still trying to track down all the books that have item records but no barcodes.
16:15 jcamins Most are missing.
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16:18 brendan morning
16:19 jcamins Good morning, brendan
16:19 trea hi kf
16:19 trea jcamins: wizzyrea's in a meeting, she'll back in a few
16:19 trea be back even*
16:20 jcamins trea: just explaining why I was channeling jwagner. ;)
16:20 trea hehe
16:21 jwagner channeling me?  You have a bad head cold???
16:22 jcamins jwagner: oh no! Your cold still isn't better? :(
16:22 jwagner A little better, but I'm losing my voice and still coughing & sneezing a lot.  Of course, there are some misguided individuals who think my losing my voice is a GOOD thing.  We ignore them :-)
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16:23 * druthb looks innocent.
16:28 sekjal does anyone remember a 'renew' link on the circulation-home page?
16:28 sekjal next to checkout and checkin?
16:29 owen Where exactly would that take you?
16:29 sekjal apparently, it was designed so that you could just scan a barcode, and renew it
16:31 sekjal which is reversed from the usual workflow
16:31 * owen doesn't recall Koha ever having that
16:32 sekjal I can't find any evidence in Git that it existed
16:32 owen ...but I remember our old system having it, and wishing Koha had it
16:32 sekjal going to ask for clarification
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16:46 kf good night all :)
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16:47 slef bug 5395
16:47 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5395 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, C4::Acquisition::SearchOrder POD inconsistent with function
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16:47 slef anyone fancy updating that function description?
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16:51 gmcharlt relevant commit with the big change to it seems to be 62f18426
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16:54 jwagner anyone else having trouble getting into bugzilla? Keeps timing out on me.
16:54 slef The old description was wrong too.
16:54 slef jwagner: I wasn't a few minutes ago but I am now.
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17:04 wizzyrea bugs is working for me
17:04 gmcharlt cute - now we have competing packages of idzebra to deal with
17:04 gmcharlt one set packaged by IndexData, another by Vincent Danjean
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17:26 chris_n !hudson botsnack bbq chips
17:26 hudsonbot chris_n: yummy! I really like that bbq chips
17:27 * chris_n tosses a few to munin as well
17:29 thd gmcharlt: Have the type of ICU problems which BibLibre have identified been found when using Evergreen?
17:29 gmcharlt thd: completely different search engines
17:30 thd gmchrlt: Exactly, that is why I was asking.
17:30 chris_n what engine does EG use?
17:30 thd gmcharlt: chris is suspecting the Koha search code.
17:30 gmcharlt chris_n: the equivalent of NoZebra, except much better
17:31 gmcharlt chris_n: more precisely, it's essentially a handcrafted engine built on top of the Postgres tsearch2 full text search subsystem
17:31 thd gmcharlt: So Evergreen uses Zebra only as a Z39.50/SRU server but not for local indexing?
17:31 chris_n if its built on PG it must be good
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17:32 gmcharlt thd: Evergreen doesn't use Zebra at all - it just uses simplezoom to provide the Z39.50/SRU frontend
17:32 chris_n gmcharlt: is it modular enough to be considered in the current debate over replacement?
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17:33 gmcharlt not really
17:33 thd gmcharlt: Do you mean Simple Search?
17:33 thd gmcharlt: Do you mean Simple Sever?
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17:33 thd gmcharlt: Do you mean Simple Sevrer?
17:33 * chris_n hands thd a new keyboard
17:33 chrisc looks like there is something up with linode today
17:33 chris_n hi chrisc
17:33 gmcharlt thd: I've never found severing to be simple ;)
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17:34 gmcharlt thd: and I mean simple2zoom
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17:36 chrisc the machine is fine, just seems to keep losing its connections to the world
17:36 jwagner It's seceding from the rest of the world?
17:37 * chris_n has that trouble occasionally himself... the losing connections part
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17:38 * jwagner wouldn't mind seceding sometimes either
17:38 * chris_n heads off to fix yet *another* win32 problem
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17:43 cait hi #koha
17:43 jcamins Hi cait
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17:45 mib_2wvfh is there anything that prevents non-staff patron categories from logging into the staff opac?
17:46 cait no, but some things can be strange if your patrons are not staff
17:46 cait ok, perhaps I should explain that and answer your question (tired)
17:47 cait if a patron has the permissions to log into staff he can, but I would recommend to use the staff category
17:47 brendan hey cait
17:47 cait hi brendan :)
17:48 wizzyrea mib_2wvfh:  Yes, the patron has to have the staff permissions checked
17:48 wizzyrea they cannot log in as staff by default
17:49 wizzyrea does that answer your question?
17:51 mib_2wvfh wizzyrea: yes, but i'm not seeing where the staff permissions is set, i can't find it in patron categories
17:51 jcamins mib_2wvfh: you have to create the patron, and go to Set Permissions.
17:51 owen mib_2wvfh: You have to set it on a per-user basis
17:51 wizzyrea you must[…]?ch=x5851#AEN5851
17:52 mib_2wvfh oh boy
17:52 thd gmcharlt:[…]in:sru_and_z39.50 implies that Evergreen translates PQF queries into CQL.
17:52 wizzyrea well, that came out wrong. Correct link though
17:53 gmcharlt thd: well, to be precise, simple2zoom does
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17:53 jcamins mib_2wvfh: what are you trying to do?
17:54 mib_2wvfh jcamins: prevent patrons that are not in the staff category from logging into the staff opac
17:54 thd gmcharlt: Yes, although, such queries have much less expressive power by default than PQF queries have using the Bib-1 attribute set for example.
17:54 jcamins mib_2wvfh: in that case you don't need to do anything.
17:54 jcamins Unless you already gave them staff permissions.
17:54 jcamins We just explained how to *allow* patrons to log into the staff client.
17:56 mib_2wvfh jcamins: well, i've got a patron category of 'Adult' type, and another of 'Staff' type.  both can log in
17:57 cait are you talking about the opac account or about the staff interface?
17:57 mib_2wvfh staff
17:59 jcamins mib_2wvfh: what version of Koha do you have?
17:59 jcamins I get an unauthorized user message when I try that, so I think you must have given your Adult users permission to use the Staff client somehow.
17:59 mib_2wvfh
18:00 jcamins Same version as I have.
18:00 jcamins mib_2wvfh: just to check... you have logged out of all your staff client windows with your staff user before trying to login with an adult user, right?
18:01 mib_2wvfh jcamins: right
18:01 mib_2wvfh one second, let me check something
18:02 chris Error: Unauthorized userclick to log out is what i get too
18:03 mib_2wvfh i am using auth with ldap, but that shouldn't cause problems..
18:03 jcamins I don't use ldap, so I don't know anything about it.
18:03 jcamins I imagine it's related, though.
18:04 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #147: SUCCESS in 20 min:[…]/Koha_Master/147/
18:04 hudsonbot * Katrin Fischer: Bug 4979: Acq: input fields for new record are too short
18:04 hudsonbot * Colin Campbell: Bug 4305: Add test case for ISBN-13 to ISBN-10 conversion
18:04 hudsonbot * Colin Campbell: Bug 5392 Initialize vars used in building url strings
18:04 cfouts mib_2wvfh: I would not necessarily jump to that conclusion
18:05 cfouts ldap uses its own copy of the auth function that may differ subtly from the default one
18:05 jcamins mib_2wvfh: once the Adult user is logged in, are they able to do anything?
18:06 mib_2wvfh jcamins: yes, the whole shebang.  preferences, everything
18:06 brendan henry you here?
18:08 mib_2wvfh in categories.category_type , all are set to 'A' , with staff being the only one set to 'S'
18:09 gmcharlt mib_2wvfh: in the userflags table, are there any permissions other than borrower where defaulton is 1?
18:10 mib_2wvfh gmcharlt: no
18:10 gmcharlt and another question, what is the value of borrowers.flags for the 'A' patrons?
18:10 mib_2wvfh gmcharlt: well, borrower is 0, borrow is 1, i suppose that's what you meant
18:10 munin New commit(s) kohagit32: Bug 4305: Add test case for ISBN-13 to ISBN-10 conversion <[…]d10273539bc039f12>
18:11 mib_2wvfh gmcharlt: null
18:12 gmcharlt hmm
18:12 gmcharlt what's in user_permissions?  any references for patrons other than the staff patron?
18:13 mib_2wvfh gmcharlt: that table is empty
18:13 gmcharlt hmm - is the 'demo' system preference on?
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18:14 chris cfouts: the ldap just does the password checking the permissions is still checked in C4/ (it just calls checkpw_ldap instead of checking the password internally) the permissions are checked the ssame
18:15 mib_2wvfh gmcharlt: hmm, could you tell me where that is or what the variablename is?  i'm not finding it.
18:15 mib_2wvfh chris: right, that's why i was saying it shouldn't make a difference
18:15 gmcharlt look for a row in systempreferences where variable = 'demo'
18:15 cfouts ah, got it
18:16 mib_2wvfh gmcharlt: yeah, i actually did a 'like' but that returned nothing
18:16 chris so what permissions does the user you are logging in with have set?
18:16 mib_2wvfh chris: superlibrarian
18:16 chris well thats why then
18:17 chris if you create a new adult patron, does it have superlibrarian checked?
18:19 thd gmcharlt: What does Evergreen do for Yaz to function as a server of SQL queries to send to Postgres?
18:19 * cait waves to chris
18:19 chris hi cait
18:20 mib_2wvfh chris: no, and as soon as i said that i realized what i had overlooked, haha.  sorry for the time wasted guys.  i just got confused when changing my category didn't change its permissions and the whole per-user permissions thing
18:21 chris :)
18:25 mib_2wvfh now, as far as the permissions, since those are on a per-user basis, is there anything built in that allows me to change them based on category or would i just have to run a query?
18:27 jcamins mib_2wvfh: you mean you need to change the category of user frequently, and you want to reset the permissions based on the new category every time you change?
18:28 jcamins I don't think you can do that.
18:28 jcamins I could be mistaken, though.
18:28 mib_2wvfh jcamins: well no, i just have say a category of borrowers, say 300, that should only have access to certain tools in the staff interface or something like that
18:30 mib_2wvfh jcamins: it doesn't need to be frequently, but i would like all patrons of that category to have a certain set of permissions
18:30 cait hm; perhaps you can have users by permissions instead of individual users?
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18:33 mib_2wvfh cait: im not sure i understand what you mean, but as you may have noticed i am not exactly at my sharpest today
18:33 cait me neither - was a long day
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18:33 hudsonbot Colin Campbell: Bug 4305: Add test case for ISBN-13 to ISBN-10 conversion
18:33 cait perhaps someone will say that's not a good idea: but you could have one user account for more than one staff user
18:34 owen We do that for our circ staff
18:34 cait right, we do that in our other system too
18:35 mib_2wvfh cait: oh i see, yeah, unfortunately i can't do that because of confidentiality and such, and the fact that we authenticate by ldap, which goes into less important details
18:35 cait and have users for acq, admin...
18:35 cait hm ok
18:36 mib_2wvfh perhaps i'm the exception here, but it seems like group permissions wouldn't be a bad idea, are there any plans / future needs for it?
18:36 owen many would agree mib_2wvfh, but no one has volunteered to fund and/or code it
18:37 mib_2wvfh owen: hmmm
18:37 cait our libraries are quite small - so it's easy to manage. but I think if you have a lot of staff it would make things easier
18:39 mib_2wvfh i may mull over this with my supervisor and hopefully we can find a solution that can be  pushed back
18:39 cait :)
18:42 chris mib_2wvfh: make sure you write up a rfc and file a corresponding enhancement bug in bugzilla :)
18:43 chris even if you cant fund it
18:43 chris that will make it a trillion times more likely for it to be done
18:43 owen Hey chris, do you have time for a git question?
18:44 chris mib_2wvfh:[…]equest_Guidelines
18:44 chris owen: kids willing :)
18:44 owen I've got a bunch of bugfix branches on gitorious, but they're getting fairly out of date now relative to master.
18:45 owen I don't really understand the process of rebasing them on a remote system like that
18:45 * jcamins perks up his ears, he doesn't understand either
18:45 owen If I try to push a rebased branch from my dev system git complains about fast-forwards
18:46 chris right
18:46 chris you'll probably want to force it
18:46 chris owen: anyone else push to your branches? or just you?
18:46 owen Just me
18:47 chris ok force is safe then
18:47 chris try
18:47 chris git push -f
18:48 owen So the git warning about "losing history" is only valid if you've got others pushing to the same branch
18:48 chris_n git++
18:49 chris if you do -f you force it to be the same as your local repo
18:49 chris thats dangerous if others have pushed, and you dont have those changes in your local repo
18:49 chris if you instead do want that branch to be the same as your local branch (which i think you  do)
18:49 chris then the force is fine
18:53 * owen humbly thanks chris and his kids
18:53 jcamins owen: so I think what chris is saying is "use the Force, owen." ;)
18:59 owen Okay, 52 bugfix branches rebased against HEAD
18:59 chris wooot well done
18:59 jcamins The Force is strong in this one. :D
19:00 cait fast
19:00 cait :)
19:00 owen Is there a Jedi equivalent to "Ctrl-V?"
19:00 wizz_eat "this is not the branch you're looking for "
19:01 chris ok, time to play with the kids
19:01 chris back later
19:01 cait :)
19:01 owen Enjoy your weekend chris
19:01 cait -Bug-5037-hide-patron-cats-2010-08-27
19:02 cait you can hide the patron's cats? :)
19:02 * cait goes to hide
19:02 owen :D
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19:04 owen chris_n: From your point of view is there anything I can do to help get these fixes into 3.2.1?
19:04 * owen hoped, with many of them, that they'd make it into 3.2
19:05 cait owen: I thin some of them did
19:05 * owen supposes, "Get signoffs"
19:05 chris_n owen: if they are rebased against HEAD and you submit them, chris can push them and I'll backport them
19:05 chris_n that too :)
19:05 owen cait: I've been trying to trim any bugfix branch that made it into HEAD
19:05 cait yeah, the one I thought about was not :(
19:06 cait owen: I can try to sign-off on some of them
19:07 owen that would be awesome cait
19:07 chris_n owen: send along pull requests or submit the patches
19:07 cait no problem :)
19:07 chris_n lots of folks have been signing off
19:08 cait galen did most of my older patches
19:08 cait gmcharlt++
19:08 owen See, I'm not sure what the protocol is: All of these have had patches submitted, but a while ago now
19:08 cait I think I have only one or two left for rebasing now
19:08 owen I don't know what the statute of limitations is
19:09 * chris_n has several patches buried in the mail too
19:09 gmcharlt owen: there is none
19:10 cait statute of limitation?
19:10 gmcharlt right
19:10 gmcharlt though as a practical matter, resubmitting the most important ones will bring it to more attention
19:12 owen cait: "statute of limitation" is a phrase usually used in the legal sense: The time after which someone can no longer be tried for a crime
19:12 * owen 's crime is loving Koha too much *sniff*
19:12 cait ah
19:12 cait there is no loving koha too much
19:12 * trea sings "if lovin' Koha's wrong, I don't wanna be right"
19:13 gmcharlt trea: it didn't happen unless there's a YouTube video to prove it ;)
19:13 trea stand by
19:17 cait @wunder Konstanz
19:17 munin cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 13.6�C (8:34 PM CET on November 12, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 29.73 in 1006.7 hPa (Steady).
19:17 cait evil wind
19:19 wizz_eat @wunder lawrence, ks
19:19 munin wizz_eat: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 9.8�C (1:32 PM CST on November 12, 2010). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Windchill: 10.0�C. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018.2 hPa (Steady).
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19:19 brendan @wunder 93117
19:19 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 18.0�C (11:32 AM PST on November 12, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Pressure: 30.28 in 1025.3 hPa (Falling).
19:20 brendan cool today - had to wear a heavy sweater to make it to work
19:20 cait @wunder wellington, nz
19:20 munin cait: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 16.0�C (8:00 AM NZDT on November 13, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
19:21 jcamins @wunder 11105
19:21 munin jcamins: The current temperature in Astoria, Astoria, New York is 16.8�C (2:35 PM EST on November 12, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 16%. Dew Point: -9.0�C. Pressure: 30.32 in 1026.6 hPa (Steady). Coastal Flood Advisory in effect from 11 am this morning to 3 PM EST this afternoon...
19:21 wizzyrea aw! nice!
19:21 jcamins Coastal *flood* advisory?
19:21 jcamins There's not a cloud in the sky.
19:23 jcamins [cue ominmous thunder]
19:23 wizzyrea it's poseidon
19:24 trea i'm sure there's a kraken joke in there somehow
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19:31 chris_n @wunder 28334
19:31 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 19.0�C (2:40 PM EST on November 12, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 18%. Dew Point: -6.0�C. Pressure: 30.29 in 1026 hPa (Steady).
19:31 * jcamins needs to learn German
19:31 cait ?
19:31 cait why? :)
19:31 jcamins Skimming a 20-page German article looking for something that looks like "half sheet imposition" is hopeless.
19:32 jcamins 25-page.
19:32 cait I would offer to help, but I have no idea what a "half sheet imposition" is
19:32 * owen neither, and he speaks passable English
19:33 jcamins It's a method of printing in the hand press period (say, before 1800). Basically instead of printing the entire side of a sheet of paper at once, they'd print half of one side, then turn the paper around to print the other half.
19:34 owen My printmaker friends from college would roll their eyes at my ignorance.
19:34 jcamins owen: at least you had printmaker friends from college. This brings you much closer to being an expert than most people. ;)
19:37 cait want me to have a look?
19:37 jcamins cait: it's a printed article. :(
19:37 cait hm ok
19:38 cait want me to try and find out the German term?
19:38 jcamins Oh, yes please!
19:40 cait ok, no promise, but trying
19:40 danielg danielg says hi
19:41 owen Hi danielg
19:41 trea hail danielg
19:42 danielg i've had a bad cold since the day i got home from nz. today i'm passing time lurking here
19:42 * owen urges danielg to identify the faces in his kohacon Flickr photos
19:42 cait oooh - I got it from you!!
19:42 sekjal sorry, to hear that, danielg
19:42 cait but get better.... ;)
19:43 danielg cait: thanks, but i thought i got it from you!
19:43 cait from me? never
19:43 danielg sekjal: thanks
19:44 danielg owen: i id'ed everyone whose flicker nick i knew, but that was only 4
19:44 owen I was thinking captions or notes danielg
19:44 * owen is trying to live vicariously
19:45 danielg owen: i got excited by my new camera, took too many photos, and put them all up. i need to cull them
19:46 danielg i can't even send links to friends yet. who wants to look at 200 photos of geeks at dinner?
19:46 danielg present company excluded, of course
19:46 jcamins danielg: if you have enough pictures, I can look at one every second and pretend I was there. ;)
19:47 jcamins Well, every minute, anyway.
19:47 danielg jcamins: have at it!
19:48 * jcamins wishes he had gotten to go to KohaCon10. :(
19:50 cait jcamins: I found a hint in google books: halb-bogen-verfahren
19:50 danielg jcamins: yields 970 opportunities for vicarious nostalgia
19:50 jcamins cait: oh, thank you!
19:51 * jcamins goes through the article looking for a phrase that looks something like "halb bogen verfahren"
19:52 cait hope it's the right term, but it makes sense.
19:53 cait but it could use another term perhaps :(
19:53 jcamins I have a feeling that this article doesn't talk about the printing at all anyway.
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20:16 cait nah
20:16 cait now owen ran away
20:17 cait was about to ask him where to start with his patches!
20:17 jcamins So, what does everyone thing... should I add a location code "Freezer" for the books that we have in the freezer?
20:18 jcamins Or should "freezer" be a shelving location?
20:18 gmcharlt shelving location is probably fine unless you also have a circulation desk inside the freezer
20:18 gmcharlt in which case, well, I pity the circulation clerk ;)
20:18 jcamins :)
20:19 trea danielg: good looking pics!
20:20 * jwagner hasn't had time to look at anyone's pics yet, but hopes to get to that soon!
20:20 jcamins I'll call the shelving location "Preservation freezer," so it sounds better.
20:20 cait :)
20:22 danielg trea: thanks! quite a few of you in there.
20:22 danielg btw, i'm still waiting to hear "if loving koha's wrong"
20:23 danielg "and am i wrong to give my love to an ILS?"
20:24 jcamins danielg: it's not the same, but I am finding myself endlessly amused by this record I just edited:[…]blionumber=175684
20:24 jcamins (it's *definitely* Friday)
20:25 danielg "Firefox can't find the server at"
20:26 jcamins danielg:[…]blionumber=175684
20:26 chris danielg:
20:26 jcamins I guess this means our DNS is not actually working.
20:27 danielg chris: awww, i'm teary and nostalgic just by the name
20:27 chris its cheesy as hell (on purpose)
20:28 danielg i should hope it wasn't accidental!
20:28 trea chris: wizzyrea and i were laughing over that last night
20:30 jwagner Have a good weekend, everyone.
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20:32 danielg jwagner: thanks, you too. get well!
20:33 danielg trea: just watched it. was laughing, too, when i wasn't cringing
20:33 trea heh
20:33 trea jcamins:
20:38 jcamins trea: Ironically, it would seem I can't access that site.
20:42 jcamins Ah, there we go.
20:42 jcamins "None of your nameservers returned an SOA record for your domain."
20:44 trea ....yea
20:44 trea :/
20:45 * jcamins likes not having anything to do with the DNS server
20:49 trea lucky you
20:51 danielg jcamins: ok, i can see it now. that title's pretty amusing--and obscure
20:51 jcamins danielg: the part that's making me laugh is the item record.
20:51 danielg the freezer?
20:51 * jcamins giggles
20:51 jcamins Yep.
20:52 jcamins It drew some comments when our Executive Director wanted to store some steaks in the freezer.
20:53 jcamins Well, less comment and more bafflement.
20:55 danielg what else ya got in that freezer?
20:56 jcamins I should probably figure that out and transfer those items to the freezer shelving location, too, huh?
20:56 jcamins Just a couple books from Uzbekistan, I think.
20:57 danielg i imagine that preservationists find nothing whatsoever amusing or unusual about this
20:57 jcamins That's probably true.
20:58 jcamins They probably also don't see the need for a note that says "please do not eat."
20:58 danielg ha!
20:58 * chris_n kept some 400 year old leaves in his freezer after they became submerged in muddy water
20:58 chris_n they were later sent off to be cleaned
20:59 chris_n leaves of books that is :)
20:59 danielg of paper?
20:59 danielg ok
20:59 chris_n right
20:59 danielg speaking of freezers, lunchtime. hope to find no books, steaks, or muddy leaves
21:00 jcamins danielg: I guess you're a vegetarian?
21:00 jcamins :)
21:00 danielg ya
21:00 * chris_n heads out to find food
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21:17 cait hmpf, missed obvious flaw while testing :(
21:26 gmcharlt cait: it happens, no big deals
21:26 gmcharlt that's why the expression is 'many eyes make bugs shallow', not 'two eyes' :)
21:26 cait gmcharlt: but still annoying - really checked it iin opac and intranet
21:28 jcamins is now known as jcamins_a
21:28 jcamins_a Good night, #koha
21:28 jcamins_a Have a good weekend.
21:30 cait gmcharlt: I am going to fix it
21:30 gmcharlt cait++
21:35 cait bye jcamins - you too
21:35 thd gmcharlt: What does Evergreen do for Yaz to function as a gateway fo SQL queries to send to Postgres?
21:36 gmcharlt Evergreen has a SRU/W gateway
21:37 thd gmcharlt: Written in Perl?
21:37 gmcharlt so user => Z39.50 => simple2zoom => translate into SRU/W => query EG SRU/W gateway => OpenSRF => lots of middleware Perl and stored procedures => tsearch2
21:38 gmcharlt one could in theory use EG as an external search engine for Koha, but at present, if you do so, you might as well just run Evergreen directly
21:38 thd gmcharlt: why do I not see gmcharlt in the list of #koha users in my IRC client?
21:39 trea thd: he's ops
21:39 thd oh there you are
21:39 thd :)
21:39 thd I thought that I had looked there
21:40 thd Sorry gmcharlt, I thought that I had been communicating with a ghost :)
21:47 thd gmcharlt: have you ever investigated the prospect of using Yaz as a gateway server for anything other than PQF or CQL?
21:55 trea @wunder 66049
21:55 munin trea: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is 8.3�C (4:12 PM CST on November 12, 2010). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Windchill: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016.5 hPa (Rising).
21:55 cait gmcharlt: done - hope I missed nothing this time :)
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21:56 wizzyrea til later, my friends.
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22:03 cait ok, bed time - good night all
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22:23 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_5059' into kcmaster <[…]e9706f0fdc5be3e7f> / Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_5058' into kcmaster <[…]1a19f506a942bc897> / Bug 5059: Inconsistent use of ordering price and list price in vendor form <
22:26 gmcharlt thd: in order to do what?
22:28 thd gmcharlt: pass a query to in one possibility Solr/Lucene which is available as newly added but hardly documented feature.
22:29 hudsonbot Starting build 148 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS)
22:30 thd gmcharlt: I had presumed that was only with Yaz as a Z39.50/SRU client however there is some mere suggestion in the documentation of using Yaz as a server.
22:36 thd gmcharlt: Yaz could be used under a model similar to Evergreen:  user => Z39.50 => simple2zoom => translate into SRU CQL => translate into Solr/Lucene query => Solr/Lucene but two problems.
22:37 thd gmcharlt: Almost no documentation and basic CQL does not have all the nice Bib-1 use attributes available for configuration.
22:39 thd gmcharlt: Older parts of the documentation hint at other possibilities which might use PQF but only hint.
22:40 thd Maybe there is a new example configuration file for Pazpar2 using Solr/Lucene.
22:43 munin New commit(s) kohagit: bug 5393 [SIGNED-OFF]: add test case to check well-formedness of XML/XSLT files <[…]5626a7190c75218a8>
22:50 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #148: SUCCESS in 21 min:[…]/Koha_Master/148/
22:50 hudsonbot * Katrin Fischer: BUG 5058: small layout correction of vendor form
22:50 hudsonbot * Katrin Fischer: Bug 5059: Inconsistent use of ordering price and list price in vendor form
22:50 hudsonbot Starting build 149 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS)
22:51 chris up for people?
22:52 gmcharlt chris: yep
22:52 chris thanks
22:52 chris[…]out-in-Wellington
22:52 chris this line is scary
22:53 chris The power was cut to the CBD, Te Aro and Mt Cook about 8.30am when a contractor "made contact with an 11kV feeder underground,'' according to Wellington Electricity spokesman Ryan Auger.
22:53 chris thats not something you want to make contact with :)
22:55 slef yeah but it was a contractor
22:55 slef SE London last year, someone tried to steal a live feeder.
22:56 chris did they survive?
22:56 slef as far as we know
22:57 slef[…]59600/8159620.stm
22:57 slef I can't find the report that claimed the vandalism was attempted theft.
22:57 slef bbl
22:57 chris poor simon will be having a crap day too
22:58 chris
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23:10 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #149: SUCCESS in 20 min:[…]/Koha_Master/149/
23:10 hudsonbot Galen Charlton: bug 5393 [SIGNED-OFF]: add test case to check well-formedness of XML/XSLT files
23:12 chris 1924 tests
23:12 chris all passing
23:12 chris we are slowly getting there
23:13 Brooke *cheer*
23:13 Brooke slow and steady wins the race
23:13 chris yes, its much more productive than lets rip everything apart and start again
23:14 Brooke (though slow is not a hallmark of this project. It's more like watch the RM be whipped into a froth.)
23:15 chris and now back to dealing wit the fallout from major outages
23:16 Brooke *comfort*
23:16 Brooke yeah I should go "make" dinner
23:17 Brooke but the cloud is posted.
23:17 Brooke :D
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