IRC log for #koha, 2010-11-08

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02:12 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_5236' into kcmaster <[…]7373613cf739418f8> / bug 5236: remove hidemytags from CSS as well <[…]915cfd784484147e1> / bug 5219: tidy <[…]f;h=072896d66be67
02:22 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_5214' into kcmaster <[…]f63e24992b174cf96> / Fix for Bug 5214 - undefined itype images cause broken image icon in <[…]8a0e9401a55021da6>
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03:07 richard /msg chris do you know the chap who runs/ran - was just about to show someone the site but the domain name is expired
03:07 richard ooops
03:08 chris heh
03:12 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 4472 Apply it to MARC21 <[…]e5601d5d495c8794d>
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04:34 kmkale hi all
04:34 kmkale chris around?
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04:44 robin he'll be on the way home I expect.
04:44 hdl hi robin
04:44 robin hello
04:49 hdl @later tell gmcharlt message fixed.
04:49 munin hdl: The operation succeeded.
04:50 robin @later tell munin I wonder what will happen
04:50 munin robin: Error: I can't send notes to myself.
04:50 robin aww
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05:35 cait good morning #koha
05:48 cait oh, chris has been busy :)
05:48 * cait loves git commit messages
06:22 chris heh
06:24 hdl hi chris
06:27 chris hi hdl
06:27 hdl hi cait
06:27 chris were you going to send some pull requests for your branches? :)
06:27 hdl changed the welcoming message for lists.
06:28 hdl I am doing this today
06:28 cait hi hdl and chris
06:28 hdl chris should I tag QA or anything ?
06:28 cait hdl: can I send you a new public key for the manual? I have figured it out now, with Linux it's really easy :)
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06:29 hdl chris I have to rebase...
06:30 hdl cait: since it is now hosted on, i think the workflow changed. We are goind to publicize a list.
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06:30 cait hdl: ah, ok
06:31 kmkale hi chris
06:31 chris hdl: id put [AWAITING_QA]
06:32 chris so that it catches colins attention
06:32 hdl
06:32 hdl here is the new welcoming message on list.
06:32 hdl chris: ok... But no real common proces.
06:33 hdl would be better if we had an authoritative list of tags.
06:33 chris well its up to colin to decide
06:34 chris i will be pulling from his branches in future, once he has qa'd
06:34 chris im just pushing things at the moment as he is on leave, back this week
06:35 chris once he is up at running, all patches submitted will get checked by him, and i will pull from his repo
06:35 chris so don't really need a tag, as everything goes through qa
06:35 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'trivial_bugs' of git:// into kcmaster <[…]ff269bf82fea2dd10> / Bug 4515 (Few very small errors in RESENT fixing whitespace warning <[…]0cfbbc8f1fdf5d736> / Fixing up a regexp to stop a trivial wa
06:35 chris trivial ones, i might just apply (like those 2)
06:35 chris :)
06:36 chris ones that i know need qa, i have pushed up in branches new/awaiting_qa for colin to pull, just so we didnt get behind
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07:05 cait work time - bbl
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07:25 CGI205 hi
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07:26 kmkale chris bug 4440 you have written please test.. is that for colin to test?
07:26 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4440 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, kmkale, ASSIGNED, Adding feature to print fines/fees receipts
07:27 chris anyone can test that
07:28 chris colin will be checking it for qa things (comments, following the style guide etc), but anyone else can test it for functionality
07:29 chris[…]/new/enh/bug_4440
07:29 chris if anyone wants to try it out, thats the branch its on
07:32 magnus kia ora, #koha!
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07:36 ivanc 2006
07:36 ivanc hi #koha
07:37 chris hi magnus and ivanc
07:37 magnus hi chris & ivanc
07:37 ivanc hi magnus
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07:47 kmkale chris: so should I specifically request someone to test it?
07:50 chris hopefully someone watching the bugs mailing list will, but if you have people who you think might test it definitely ask
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07:51 kmkale Thanks chris
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08:17 magnus hiya hdl and bigbrovar
08:20 bigbrovar magnus: hi
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08:33 kf hi #koha
08:35 magnus hiya kf
08:35 kf morning magnus
08:36 kf still snowing?
08:36 kf @wunder Konstanz
08:36 munin kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 4.8�C (9:52 AM CET on November 08, 2010). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Windchill: 5.0�C. Pressure: 29.23 in 989.7 hPa (Falling).
08:46 magnus @wunder bodo, norway
08:46 munin magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 0.0�C (9:50 AM CET on November 08, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: -3.0�C. Windchill: -6.0�C. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa (Rising).
08:46 kf no snow?
08:47 magnus kf: no, it stopped late last night, and should not start again for a few days
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08:59 slef hi from the office
09:03 magnus hiya self! made it home in one piece?
09:03 magnus s/self/slef/
09:04 kf hi slef :)
09:04 slef magnus: no, I think my head was split in three by the take-offs/landings and some sinus problems :)
09:04 magnus ouch!
09:05 magnus oh, that can be really bad
09:08 chris fredericd: thanks for the signoff, kmkale do you think you would be able to do a follow up patch with the suggestions from fredericd
09:09 chris hmm that should have been 2 sentences
09:09 chris kmkale: do you think you could send a follow up patch, implementin ghte changes suggested by fredericd
09:09 kmkale chris: yes. although the name on second line is the norm here in india for invoices.
09:09 chris ah ok
09:10 kmkale fredericd: thanks for the sign off
09:11 kmkale chris, fredericd do you think the name should start right after the "To:" ??
09:13 chris thats what i would expect
09:14 chris but I dont hold a strong opinion on it :)
09:14 chris it being on the second line certainly wouldnt stop me merging it to master, more the borders one
09:28 kmkale :)
09:29 kmkale will look into it.
09:29 chris thanks
09:32 kmkale no chris. thanks to you..
09:38 * slef mutters about having a PHP problem to deal with before he can get back to koha
09:38 slef and a JS one
09:45 kmkale anyone here has any experience about hiring on
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10:48 slef kmkale: only bad :)
10:49 kmkale slef: oh. I have just posted a few jobs there. Hoping to get some work done fast..
10:50 kmkale web design stuff mostly and one mobile phone app kinda work
10:54 kmkale slef: bad in what way? talent? delivery? or infrastructure itself?
10:56 slef kmkale: it was a few years ago. It was hard to verify people and I seemed to get a lot of junk contacts as a result. I think we hired through other sites instead.
10:56 kmkale slef: I would be greatful if you could suggest a few sites..
10:56 slef kmkale: also, the co-op has done work to repair bought-through-elance web apps for clients.
10:57 slef kmkale: I'm not really sure what's current. My favourite site has closed a year or so ago and I tend to use network contacts instead now.
10:57 slef kmkale: I'd be interested to know how you get on.
10:58 slef kmkale: things have probably moved forwards.
10:59 kmkale slef: sure. I had about 30 proposals in a few hours. elance seems to have escrow and reviews and portfolios and stuff but just wanted some opinion from friends so asked here..
11:11 kmkale unfortunately the mobile app which is the most important and urgent one, I havent got any response at all :(
11:29 kf perhaps ask in some forums?
11:34 kmkale hi kf
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11:36 kf hi kmkale
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12:31 gmcharlt good morning
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12:43 magnus kia ora, gmcharlt
12:44 nengard magnus the publisher is tracking down my copies of the book ... but I still don't have mine :( and they have made it to NZ, Norway and England before me
12:46 magnus nengard: that doesn't sound right... but then us outside-us-ers had to order from another place then you - might have something to do with it?
12:50 nengard i didn't have to order it at all - it's coming direct from the publisher
12:52 magnus nengard: or not... ;-)
12:53 nengard :)
12:53 magnus nengard: seems the publisher is slower than the other place, then
12:53 nengard well at least those of you who haven't read it already get to read it
12:54 magnus true!
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13:10 Irinie Hi, When searching for a specify record, I got this message: Error: Can't call method "as_usmarc" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/ line 2388.
13:11 CGI216 test
13:11 CGI216 test
13:11 Irinie what does this error mean? why I find it ? I'm sure that the record exist on my database
13:12 CGI216 It is possible in koha virtual apliance 3.2  modify a file koha-conf.xml and add the setings for ldap server?
13:12 Irinie when I search any details of it's item I find the record
13:15 Irinie Hi, When searching for a specify record, I got this message: Error: Can't call method "as_usmarc" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/ line 2388.
13:17 kf Irinie: perhaps reindexing will help
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13:20 Irinie how can I reindex
13:22 Irinie how can I reindex??
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13:30 kf Irinie:[…]on/faq/searching/
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13:44 chris_n` is now known as chris_n
13:55 ebegin Good morning Koha!
13:57 ebegin Is there a way to filter the Types based on the bib item type (942$c)  instead of the item's 952$y?  I would like to get the bib of a specific type (ex: DVD) even if we didn't assign any item
14:11 jcamins_a ebegin: Good morning.
14:11 jcamins_a is now known as jcamins
14:11 jcamins Whoops.
14:11 jcamins Good morning.
14:11 jcamins ebegin: yest ehre is.
14:11 jcamins yes there is, even
14:11 ebegin :)
14:11 CGI882 good morning
14:11 jcamins I'll find it for you.
14:13 jcamins Under cataloging.
14:13 jcamins item-level_itypes
14:13 jcamins Set it to "biblio record."
14:13 ebegin Hmmm... ok.  I guess this was added in 3.2
14:14 CGI882 it is possible add a configuration of ldap server in koha-conf.xml on koha virtual appliance without error "at /usr/lib/perl5/XML/LibXML/SAX/ line 38"
14:14 jcamins CGI882: it sounds to me like you have a syntax error in your koha-conf.xml. However, that's just a guess. I don't know anything about LDAP.
14:14 jcamins ebegin: I don't think so.
14:15 jcamins Search your system preferences for item.
14:15 ebegin My item-level_itypes option is only on/off
14:15 ebegin I means the biblio record option was propably added in 3.2
14:16 ebegin I'll check the code and I'll try to backport that in my version.
14:16 ebegin thanks for the hints jcamins
14:16 CGI882 Does anyone know how to configure LDAP to access Koha from active directory user
14:17 jcamins ebegin: oh, yes. It should be set to "off."
14:17 jcamins At least, I think it should.
14:17 slef CGI882: have you seen what's on the wiki and forums?
14:18 slef CGI882: and the manual too, I think.
14:19 ebegin jcamins, I don't know why it was not working before, but now it is... :\
14:19 ebegin Thanks!
14:20 jcamins ebegin: you also need to reindex.
14:21 slef CGI882: actually, try the command: perldoc C4::Auth_with_ldap
14:22 slef CGI882: key thing is you need <auth_by_bind>1</auth_by_bind> instead of the usual.
14:23 bigbrovar Hi guys I have koha 3.2 up and running using the debian squeeze package. It just occured to me that I don't have a koha user. which should be the ownder of the koha directory at /usr/share/koha.  is this by design or do I need to have a koha user for koha 3.2/
14:27 jcamins Wow. BibLibre has been busy.
14:27 jcamins bigbrovar: you can run Koha as whatever user you want.
14:27 jcamins If you installed Koha via the packages, that should already be all set up for you.
14:27 jcamins I think.
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14:28 kf bye all
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14:32 bigbrovar jcamins: I asked because the koha $HOME is at /usr/share/koha which is only writtable by the root user.  is that setup ok?
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14:36 jcamins bigbrovar: that makes sense... none of the files should be writable.
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14:41 bigbrovar jcamins: any idea on what should be the ideal setup/
14:41 bigbrovar I was thinking of creating a koha user and group and making same user the owner of /usr/share/koha
14:42 bigbrovar but I don't know how well that would work with koha web instance
14:44 magnus bigbrovar: if you use the scripts from the packages i don't think you need to worry too much about those details...
14:50 bigbrovar after installing koha and figuraring it follwoing this wiki.[…]ueeze#Quick_Start  and /usr/share/doc/koha/README.Debian  I did the rest of the installation using the web installer.
14:51 bigbrovar magnus: which script are u referring too.
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14:56 magnus bigbrovar: these:[…];f=debian;hb=HEAD
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14:59 magnus bigbrovar: i thought you were playing with these when you said you had used the packages on squeeze
15:01 bigbrovar magnus: I installed koha using the package built for debian squeeze .. I added the repo and simply did a apt-get install koha. everything is working fine so far. I am just concerned what the right user setup for koha should be. do I create a new user? and how do I deal with issues of permission error since the koha files are in a place writable only by root
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15:03 magnus if it works i wouldn't worry too much
15:04 magnus i don't think there are any files that need to be written by koha
15:04 bigbrovar I guess the sysadmin in me worry too much :p
15:04 magnus ;-)
15:04 bigbrovar anyway thanks
15:05 janPasi Hi all :)
15:05 janPasi Is there a way to completely clear Koha's reservoir?
15:05 janPasi i.e. remove all the biblios in it
15:06 bigbrovar I do that from the database
15:07 bigbrovar janPasi: go to the koha mysql database and delete from biblios
15:08 janPasi bigbrovar: err... exactly how do i do that?
15:09 bigbrovar mysql -u root -p
15:09 gmcharlt WAIT
15:10 janPasi yeah, that i know, and then select database koha;
15:10 gmcharlt sorry for shouting, but the reservoir != the set of active bibs
15:10 janPasi and all that
15:10 gmcharlt if you want to delete just the reservoir bibs, the table is import_biblios, not biblios
15:10 janPasi i don't want to get rid of active biblios :D
15:10 bigbrovar use koha (your koha database)
15:10 bigbrovar and delete from biblio;
15:11 wizzyrea no, don't do that
15:11 gmcharlt bigbrovar: doing that will get rid of janPasi's active bibs
15:11 wizzyrea do what gmcharlt suggested
15:11 wizzyrea ^^ bad
15:11 janPasi so i'd do something like use database koha;
15:11 bigbrovar wizzyrea: I didn't get his msg clearly then
15:11 wizzyrea it's cool :)
15:11 janPasi and then delete table import_biblios; or something?
15:11 bigbrovar gmcharlt: thanks for correcting me
15:12 janPasi well it's drop table, but anyway
15:13 gmcharlt janPasi: no, not drop table
15:13 gmcharlt delete from import_biblios;
15:13 janPasi but?
15:13 janPasi oh, that's all?
15:13 gmcharlt yep
15:14 bigbrovar gmcharlt: wizzyrea:  I have koha runing on debian squeeze using the pacakge built for it. after setting up everything (apt-get install koha) and following this wiki[…]ueeze#Quick_Start I noticed koha files are located in /usr/share/koha which is only writable by root.
15:14 janPasi ok, thanks :)
15:14 janPasi i'll try that
15:15 gmcharlt bigbrovar: yes, and that's the normal convention for Debian packages
15:15 bigbrovar is that ideal? cus the last installation I did which I had to build from source (3.0.6) the koha $HOME was management by a koha user
15:15 wizzyrea right, you probably did it as a dev install?
15:15 bigbrovar ok so I would not have permmission issues when running cronjobs etc
15:16 wizzyrea I haven't tried out the packages yet, I can't speak to that :/
15:16 bigbrovar and even with logs?
15:16 wizzyrea but you shouldn't have an issue that I can think of
15:16 bigbrovar hmm
15:16 bigbrovar ok thanks.  well if I have any I can always come here :p
15:17 wizzyrea :) hehe
15:17 * bigbrovar seriously need to stop being paranoid
15:17 wizzyrea paranoia is usually a good thing.
15:21 janPasi that worked, thanks again guys :)
15:21 slef bigbrovar: either stop being paranoid, or check how the package works and compare with debian policy
15:21 wizzyrea slef++ #for a practical solution
15:22 bigbrovar slef: thanks
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15:25 mib_1iln4 hello
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15:26 wizzyrea hi
15:26 magnus hi cait
15:26 wizzyrea hey cait
15:26 jcamins What's Marcel de Rooy's IRC nick?
15:27 cait jcamins: not sure he is on irc
15:27 cait hi magnus, liz and jared
15:27 mib_1iln4 anyone knows what this error means "/home/koha/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml:217: parser error : Opening and ending tag mismatch: pass line 203 and ldapserver  </ldapserver>                ^ /home/koha/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml:222: parser error : Opening and ending tag mismatch: pass line 203 and config </config>          ^ /home/koha/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xm
15:27 mib_1iln4 ^ at /usr/lib/perl5/XML/LibXML/SAX/ line 38
15:28 mib_1iln4 BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /home/koha/kohaclone/C4/ line 31.
15:28 mib_1iln4 ...........
15:28 slef jcamins: not in any meetings AFAICS.
15:28 slef mib_1iln4: it means there's a syntax error (bad XML) in the config file.
15:28 cait slef: afaics? as far as i ....?
15:28 slef cait: can see
15:28 cait ah, thx :)
15:28 mib_1iln4 Koha open when the browser
15:29 jcamins marcel_de_rooy++ # for useful Authorities stuff
15:29 slef mib_1iln4: fix your configuration file.
15:30 jcamins mib_1iln4: it means you need to make sure you close all your tags in koha-conf.xml
15:31 mib_1iln4 koha-conf.xml
15:31 mib_1iln4 on koha 3.02
15:31 mib_1iln4 I add the ldap configuration for ldap server
15:31 jcamins mib_1iln4: yes, you need to fix the file.
15:32 mib_1iln4 how this yes, you need to fix the file?
15:33 jcamins There is a syntax error. You need to make sure that every opening tag is closed.
15:33 wizzyrea so every <ldapserver> needs to be closed with a </ldapserver> for example
15:33 jcamins (I was just confirming that the error you were getting would result from a syntax problem with Koha 3.2, also)
15:34 mib_1iln4 explain please
15:34 mib_1iln4 sorry
15:34 mib_1iln4 I closed the tags for ldapserver
15:34 wizzyrea did you open them?
15:35 cait your changes to the ldap server caused a syntax error
15:35 hdl wizzyrea: yes. in order to have valid xml
15:35 wizzyrea hdl: right, explaining that to mib_1iln4
15:35 mib_1iln4 I write the ldapserver correct
15:35 janPasi whoa!
15:35 janPasi what's this then:
15:36 janPasi recent acquisitions saying "Production mode trapped fatal error."
15:36 jcamins janPasi: reindex.
15:36 cait we have recent acquisitions?
15:37 mib_1iln4 my changes to the ldap server caused a syntax error and how to repair this error?
15:37 cait which version of Koha are you using, janPasi?
15:37 jcamins The problem is that Koha is trying to look up something that you deleted.
15:37 cait look at your code, it's like liz said, every opened tag must be closed, and in the right sequence
15:37 janPasi Koha version is
15:38 mib_1iln4 main error is in ^ at /usr/lib/perl5/XML/LibXML/SAX/ line 38
15:38 mib_1iln4 i have the koha virtual appliance in vmaware
15:38 jcamins mib_1iln4: that's the error you get when you have a syntax error.
15:39 janPasi re-indexing didn't make any difference
15:39 jcamins janPasi: hm.
15:39 cait janPasi: I am not sure this feature is in 3.2
15:41 janPasi same error is repeated in koha-error.log
15:41 janPasi cait: you mean recent acquisitions?
15:41 cait it seems the file recentacquisions doesn't exist in 3.2
15:41 cait you should file a bug report
15:41 wizzyrea janPasi:  how are you getting to that?
15:42 janPasi wizzyrea: what do you mean?
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15:42 janPasi i'm on the front page of Koha, then select recent acquisitions under Search
15:43 janPasi select "Order by: title" and then submit
15:43 jcamins mib_1iln4: try copying the section that includes your LDAP configuration into a Pastebin. Like
15:43 cait janPasi: you should really file a bug report, with your version and the problem
15:44 mib_1iln4 try copying the section that includes your LDAP configuration into a Pastebin. Like?
15:44 mib_1iln4 this is empty sites
15:44 janPasi i'm not sure if the problem is with Koha. It can be the data too :(
15:44 janPasi this is a messy messy system with biblios coming from several sources
15:45 jcamins mib_1iln4: it works for me, but if that link doesn't work maybe will work for you.
15:45 mib_1iln4 how to configure the ldap on koha for active directory user must be logate in koha
15:45 janPasi possibly some of them are corrupt, so that can also be the cause
15:45 jcamins janPasi: is this on the OPAC or the Staff client?
15:45 jcamins I can't find recent acquisitions either.
15:46 janPasi jcamins: it's the staff client
15:46 jcamins Just on the home page?
15:46 wizzyrea advanced search maybe?
15:46 janPasi haven't tried it from anywere else
15:47 janPasi is it available somewere else?
15:47 jcamins I can't find it anywhere at all!
15:47 jcamins Wait.
15:48 cait jcamins: I see the file in catalogue/ in 3.0.x but not in master
15:48 jcamins janPasi: is your installation supported by LibLime?
15:48 jcamins Oh, never mind, I see.
15:48 janPasi left side columnon the frontpage, under Search
15:48 cait I think it slipped through and was not added to 3.2
15:48 janPasi column
15:48 jcamins And here I was thinking that I was going crazy.
15:48 janPasi is there
15:49 janPasi in this system
15:49 slef help - can I still make koha throw a backtrace to the browser and if so, how?
15:49 mib_1iln4 ??
15:49 mib_1iln4 test
15:49 slef slef: yes, SetEnv KOHA_BACKTRACES 1
15:50 jcamins mib_1iln4: we can't help you any more without seeing your configuration file.
15:50 janPasi jcamins: this is not a liblime thingy
15:50 mib_1iln4 BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /home/koha/kohaclone/C4/ line 31. Compilation failed in require at /home/koha/kohaclone/ line 22. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /home/koha/kohaclone/ line 22.
15:50 jcamins janPasi: yeah, it's a "jcamins is confused" thingy. Try a different search, and see if that works.
15:53 slef @marc ldr
15:53 munin slef: unknown tag ldr
15:53 slef @marc leader
15:53 munin slef: unknown tag leader
15:53 slef munin: grr
15:53 munin slef: Error: "grr" is not a valid command.
15:54 cait @marc LDR
15:54 munin cait: unknown tag LDR
15:54 wizzyrea @marc help
15:54 munin wizzyrea: unknown tag help
15:54 wizzyrea oo
15:54 cait @marc 001
15:54 munin cait: The control number assigned by the organization creating, using, or distributing the record. The MARC code for the organization is contained in field 003 (Control Number Identifier). []
15:54 slef it's ok, I'm browsing the website instead
15:54 cait @marc 000
15:54 munin cait: unknown tag 000
15:54 slef trying to find where the record encoding is stated
15:54 janPasi jcamins: searches do work, it's just this recentacquisitions that doesn't do anything
15:54 slef as in utf-8 or marc8
15:54 jcamins Okay. Hm.
15:55 jcamins slef: what are you trying to do?
15:55 jcamins Never mind.
15:55 * jcamins is very confused
15:55 janPasi slef: i think it's position 9, but i'm not sure
15:55 slef LDR/09 it seems
15:55 jcamins LDR/9
15:55 gmcharlt yes, Leader/09
15:56 slef Does # mean # or space?  It's been 2 weeks and I forget the conventions of the website already.
15:56 jcamins Space.
15:56 jcamins Well, actually it means "not entered," but that means space.
15:57 jcamins janPasi: I'm out of ideas, sorry.
15:57 janPasi jcamins: ok, thanks fro trying anyway
15:57 janPasi fro=for
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16:22 jcamins Welcome back to the States, sekjal and nengard.
16:22 nengard thanks jcamins
16:22 sekjal thanks, jcamins!  good to be home
16:22 sekjal not that NZ wasn't delightful
16:24 brendan morning all
16:24 schuster brendan was lonely...
16:24 cait janPasi: I am adding a comment to the bug report: it's bug 3710
16:24 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3710 enhancement, P5, ---, nahuel.angelinetti, NEW, New script for recent acquisitions
16:25 nengard so - i'm running a report and i'm wondering if anyone knows where the 952x is stored
16:25 nengard there is an items.itemnotes field
16:25 nengard but it's only the public note in there
16:27 nengard k - did a query - looks like it's only in the marc for the item ... just fyi
16:27 cait nengard: check paidfor
16:28 jcamins cait: I think that might be local to your system.
16:28 cait what does the koha to marc mapping say? I think standard is paid_for, if it's nto there, it's probably in more_subfields_xml
16:28 nengard nope ... paidfor is blank for the record in question
16:28 nengard but paidfor is a field
16:28 cait jcamins: it was the default for a long time
16:28 cait or still is; I am not sure about htat
16:28 cait but if you enter no mapping in koha, it will go into more_subfields_xml
16:28 jcamins It's not the default on 3.2.
16:28 cait that's good :)
16:29 jcamins Although maybe it should be.
16:29 cait no, it shouldn't
16:29 jcamins Oh.
16:29 jcamins Then, I'm glad it's not the default anymore.
16:29 cait because the field was created for another feature, not for the private note
16:29 cait not sure if the feature will come back, but if it does, it's nto good to have your notes there :)
16:33 gmcharlt yeah, paidfor would be a poor name
16:34 cait I think it's about storing a note there for lost items that were paid for?
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16:56 slef gmcharlt: what happened in the SIP 3.0 call?
16:58 gmcharlt slef: might have been cancelled - I think I saw a note to that effect last week
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16:59 gmcharlt slef: yep, canceled; next one is 15 November
16:59 slef gmcharlt: I didn't get that note :-/ but I didn't make the call either.
16:59 gmcharlt slef: your address was on the CC list
17:00 gmcharlt but since Susan seems fond of HTML mail, maybe tripped one of your filters?
17:00 * gmcharlt shrugs
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17:01 slef gmcharlt: oh it might have landed in the probable-spam folder. Susan is also fond of huge attachments in obscure formats IIRC.
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17:04 eternalsw anyone here who can help with getting zebra setup on debian squeeze?  I've followed the instructions available at[…]on_Debian_Squeeze but I'm stuck trying to get zebra to work.  My mysql database is on a different server, so I chose manual setup.  Was that the wrong choice?  The koha instance is up and working.  I can log in to the administration panel.  I just can't get zebra-rebuild to work.
17:04 eternalsw complains about: Could not select database biblios errCode=109
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17:07 gmcharlt slef: is your Koha/EDI tree published somewhere?  I've been working on EDIFACT for Evergreen, would like to compare notes
17:09 slef gmcharlt: not currently. I got it down to about a dozen patches to clean during hackfest, so should be fairly soon.
17:09 gmcharlt cool
17:09 slef gmcharlt: also hdl sekjal and not sure who else gave some tips, including git commands.
17:09 slef gmcharlt: patches are against 3.0.x though, be warned.  Then we work with sekjal to port it forwards.
17:11 slef eternalsw: the interaction of the debian packages and a mysql server elsewhere may need tips from robin or larsw or ...  Not sure what you mean by "chose manual setup".
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17:28 Leo hi to everybody
17:28 cait hi Leo
17:33 Leo I'm having this error when I do an advanced seach in the staff view & i choose Scan Indexes : Error: Can't locate object method "sort" via package "ZOOM::ScanSet" at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/ line 393.
17:34 Leo did anyone Know what's wrong
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17:37 Leo I'm using koha 3.00.06
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17:44 cait hi hdl
17:44 hdl hi cait
17:46 slef gmcharlt: looks like 1 Nov SIP 3.0 call happened? Only today cancelled?
17:46 gmcharlt slef: as far as I know, that's correct
17:46 gmcharlt I was not at the 1 November call
17:47 slef gmcharlt: oic. Me neither.
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18:09 chris_n silent_fails--
18:09 slef chris_n: silent_fails > misleading_fails
18:09 slef bbl
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18:16 JVC Hi
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18:22 JVC Hello, Can anybody read this message ???
18:23 jwagner JVC, yes. Do you have a question?
18:23 JVC I am looking for an answer related to the currency rate
18:23 JVC Thanks jwagner
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18:24 jwagner I probably can't help you with that, but go ahead and ask your question.  Someone is likely to know.
18:24 JVC I am in Costa Rica and I want to set my base currency to my local
18:24 JVC That is Colones
18:25 JVC But the exchange rate for dollar is greater than 99.9999 (524 colones / us dolar)
18:26 JVC Is there a parameter for that limit in exchange rates ???
18:26 JVC Or I have to use the US dolar as a base ???
18:28 jwagner Sorry, I usually only work in one currency, so I don't have an answer for you.  Someone else?
18:28 jcamins I recall someone else having this issue, and fixing it, but I don't remember how.
18:29 cait I think they changed the database column
18:29 cait to accept higher values
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18:31 CGI528 Hi...
18:32 CGI528 I need some help
18:32 wizzyrea which version of koha are you using?
18:32 CGI528 3.2
18:32 CGI528
18:32 wizzyrea go ahead :)
18:33 * chris waves hi from the island bay bus, as he listens to the war of the worlds dubstep remix
18:33 * trea waves
18:33 wizzyrea hee
18:33 CGI528 I' ve set the admin email at KohaAdminEmailAddress
18:33 cait hi chris and trea
18:33 trea hi cait
18:33 wizzyrea and?
18:34 JVC Ok, thank you
18:34 CGI528 but when i add a new patron or when i make changes in the OPAC there is no notifications on client or admin email
18:34 jcamins CGI528: I'm not sure yet what your problem is, but I suspect you need to set an e-mail address up for the specific branches.
18:34 jcamins Oh, no, I was wrong. Sorry.
18:35 jcamins Are you able to send e-mail from that computer?
18:35 wizzyrea specifically what changes?
18:35 wizzyrea and that
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18:36 CGI528 when the patron updates his personal details (name, surname, etc.) the admin should be notified
18:36 wizzyrea ah. Can you send email from the computer?
18:36 wizzyrea (the computer that koha is hosted on)
18:37 CGI528 yes, with email clients...
18:37 CGI528 i need to have a account associated to the host?
18:37 jcamins CGI528: what about from the command line?
18:37 wizzyrea can you elaborate on how your system is set up?
18:38 wizzyrea what operating system, is it a virtual machine, how you installed it, etc
18:38 wizzyrea and just for your reference, is the correct website for the koha project.
18:38 CGI528 ubuntu 10.10.... not a virtual machine... i think the problem is that the machine doesn't have credentials to send the email
18:39 chris Yeah u will want to either have a working smtp server on your server
18:39 jcamins CGI528: yeah, that would do it.
18:39 chris Or have it set up to relay mail to a smarthost
18:40 CGI528 can you give me a tutorail to follow? the admin email is a gmail.... i want to use that...
18:41 eternalsw I believe I got zebra running.  I ran koha-create to make a managed instance, then modified the config to point to the correct mysql database.  the admin panel is now up and running in this instance after using koha-enable.  I have a /var/run/koha/[instance]/ with an authorities and biblios directory.  How do I tell rebuild_zebra to point to the instance instead of /var/lock/koha/zebradb/...
18:42 CGI528 (first of all thanks for the quick reply and help) :D
18:42 jcamins CGI528:
18:42 jcamins eternalsw: you'll need to set KOHA_CONF.
18:42 chris CGI528: its more a sysadmin type question than a koha one
18:43 chris CGI528: that tutorial jcamins posted is pretty good tho
18:43 CGI528 sorry :(... i'm new at Koha and i thought that was some problem with my koha configuration...
18:43 wizzyrea it's ok :
18:43 wizzyrea :)
18:43 CGI528 THANKS :)
18:44 wizzyrea pop back if you still are having trouble
18:44 jcamins CGI528: you can use any SMTP server, so far as I know, if your sysadmin prefers a different one.
18:44 wizzyrea *are still, even
18:45 CGI528 ok thanks for all the help...
18:45 * chris_n thinks it should be required of anyone submitting code making db calls to return any and all errors && handle them :=P
18:45 chris_n silent_fails-- # again for good measure
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18:47 owen "production mode - trapped fatal error" There you go, error handled. :P
18:48 chris_n HA
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18:48 chris Heh
18:49 * chris_n notes that db constraints require some fields in the patron import csv to have values which fields are *not* noted in the on-screen info/help
18:49 chris_n is now known as mr_fixit
18:50 mr_fixit for all you richard scarry fans
18:50 eternalsw okay.  I have set KOHA_CONF to point to the proper config file, and now does not display any output, not even when calling --help.  I'm calling it with: perl -i /usr/share/koha/lib /usr/share/koha/bin/migrat​ion_tools/
18:51 jcamins eternalsw: doesn't display anything, when it works.
18:51 jcamins At least, it doesn't for me.
18:53 chris mr_fixit: I hope you are a bit better than in the books
18:53 chris I don't want a police siren in c4::borrowers
18:53 mr_fixit lol... watch out for mixed up modules, etc
18:53 mr_fixit is now known as chris_n
18:54 chris Ok my stop
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18:55 eternalsw okay, I had the wrong flag to perl.  should have been capital i, not lowercase.  Is there any way of verifying that zebra is working correctly?
18:57 jcamins eternalsw: I just try a search after reindexing.
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19:00 Brooke yo
19:01 brendan eternalsw - you could run this on command line --  ps aux | grep zebra
19:01 brendan that's a pipe in there not a captial i
19:04 chris back
19:05 brendan wb chris
19:09 Brooke <3 chris
19:09 chris heya Brooke, im enjoying the history page
19:09 Brooke *blush*
19:09 chris you could use the code4lib article too
19:10 Brooke fecking tattle RSS feed.
19:10 chris
19:10 * chris is always watching
19:10 eternalsw I've verified zebra is running.  seems to not be able to create the lock files (permission denied).  pointing to the right place with read and write permissions for the instance user.  ideas?
19:10 chris ceiling rangi is watching you edit the wiki!
19:10 chris eternalsw: make sure the user running is the same user running zebrasrv
19:11 * Brooke better get back to work before she feels the whip
19:11 slef brendan: ps $(pgrep zebra) is nice too
19:11 brendan ah yup slef - I guess I learned that way ;)
19:11 chris and that that user has write permissions to the /usr/share/koha/var/lib/zebradb directory (and the lock one and run one too, and everything under them)
19:13 jcamins eternalsw: oh, it just occurred to me... did you restart Zebra using the init.d scripts after changing where everything was?
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19:14 eternalsw jcamins: yes, I did that when I grepped ps aux for zebra and it wasn't running.
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19:14 chris wizzy_m is on the move?
19:16 wizzy_m meeting., kinda
19:16 jcamins eternalsw: Okay, just checking.
19:16 chris wizzy_m: ahhh
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19:19 richard hi
19:19 Brooke howdy
19:19 chris hiya richard
19:27 * Brooke heads to the fridge to hit up the lo mein
19:28 eternalsw chris: I'm running on debian squeeze, so used koha-create to make an instance.  this creates a user for that instance as well as a config specific to that instance.  It runs zebra under /var/run/koha/[instance name] with the lock files in /var/lock/koha/[instance name]  I have verified that the instance user has read and write permissions to everything under these instance directories. I have no /usr/share/koha/var/lib/zebradb directory
19:28 eternalsw I meant to?
19:30 chris nope, not if you are using the packages
19:31 chris and the user running zebrasrv is the same user?
19:32 chris as the one running rebuild_zebra
19:37 eternalsw got it working.  stray .LCK files from when I tried it as root instead of the instance user.  too used to ACL based permissions inheritance from my other servers.  didn't think to look all the way down to the file permissions.
19:37 chris yep
19:37 chris that'd do it
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19:42 eternalsw is there any way to automate the running of the rebuild_zebra script whenever the records get updated, or can it only be done manually or via cron at this point?  And if via cron, what are the recommended timings?
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19:42 chris there should be a cron job set up with the scripts
19:42 chris_n interesting... code does not appear to support long dates in patron_attributes
19:42 chris_n the comma messes it up, as you might figure
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19:43 chris eternalsw: i run it every 5 mins
19:44 cait chris_n: I have successfully imported patron_attributes - but my example files are at work
19:44 * Brooke salutes nengard
19:44 chris eternalsw: with koha-rebuild-zebra
19:44 cait wanted to look at it tomorrow
19:44 chris_n cait: yeah, I have too
19:44 chris (without --full of course) i do a --full once a week
19:44 chris_n but there are definitely missing info in the help
19:44 cait yeah, the help could be better
19:45 chris eternalsw: can you look in /etc/cron.d
19:46 chris is there a koha-common file there?
19:47 eternalsw yes, there is
19:48 chris right that file should be doing the rebuild_zebra for you (for all instances of koha you have running)
19:48 chris every 5 mins
19:50 eternalsw okay, thanks for the help.
19:50 nengard hi Brooke
19:51 nengard and all
19:56 cait hi nengard :)
19:56 nengard hi cait! I miss you :(
19:57 cait aw
19:57 cait I miss you and the others too
19:57 Brooke For reals. Clearly the solution is to start a commune.
19:57 cait it's still a bit strange to be here
19:57 nengard i think all koha community members should move to New Zealand together :)
19:57 chris heh
19:57 cait lol
19:57 nengard of course it would be hard to spread Koha worldwide if we did that
19:57 cait but who will educate the other countries about open source?
19:57 * Brooke was definitely not pestering Walter for gory details...
19:59 eternalsw one last question.  how do I configure how email is sent?  I need to specify our smtp server and the address it is sending as.
19:59 jcamins eternalsw: you'll need to configure the SMTP server on your server.
20:00 jcamins It's more of a sysadmin thing than a Koha thing.
20:00 jcamins I use Postfix, which is discussed here:
20:01 eternalsw okay, so it's not set to use a specific mailserv?  That's all I needed to know.
20:02 jcamins eternalsw: Koha sends e-mail using sendmail command, so there has to be a smtp server running on the machine.
20:02 jcamins You can then set up the smtp server (in my case Postfix) to use a gateway.
20:02 jcamins Or are you asking something else?
20:02 Brooke anyone get any bril ideas about the w3c linked library data junk?
20:03 jcamins Brooke: yay, linked data is good?
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20:04 Brooke :/
20:04 jcamins Not exactly brilliant, but I mostly spend my time worrying about MARC which is decidedly unlinked. ;)
20:04 eternalsw right, I just needed to know if using postfix was fine or if it might require some other smtp service like exim4.  I'm not familiar with how perl sends mail, so just wanted to make sure it wasn't locked into something specific.
20:04 Brooke not so much on the 856us
20:04 Brooke and oughtn't be for 650s
20:05 jcamins eternalsw: if the mail command will work, Koha will send e-mail. :)
20:09 Brooke okily dokily, off to get some shtuff done, hopefully
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20:46 chris hi sekjal
20:47 wizzyrea hey sekjal
20:47 chris meeting finished wizzyrea ?
20:47 wizzyrea yea, finally
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20:48 chris heres something for you todo list, is it hard to swithc the 3.0.x commits thing on the koha-community site to be 3.2.x ?
20:48 wizzyrea nope, should be ez
20:48 wizzyrea will do now
20:49 chris thanks
20:49 sekjal hi, everyone
20:51 wizzyrea hmm, it's doing this one:[…]refs/heads/master
20:51 chris yep
20:51 chris and 3.0.x
20:51 chris (underneat the bugs)
20:51 cait good night all
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20:52 chris master is right, but the 3.0.x could change to 3.2.x now
20:52 wizzyrea oh oh yea. Yep, ez. I see
20:53 hdl chris: is there a problem ?
20:53 wizzyrea k should be fixed
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20:57 chris hdl: ? nope
20:57 chris just changing the website
20:57 chris
20:58 chris there shouldnt be many more commits for 3.0.x .. more interesting to watch the 3.2.x branch there
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21:00 mib_14hhm is there anything in place in koha that allows checkout / checkin history to be tracked?  (i.e. when a patron of a specific category checked an item out, when they returned it, what item it was)
21:00 chris yes
21:00 chris but it depends if you live in a country where it is safe to keep that
21:01 wizzyrea it's on the circulation page, a tab at the left called "circulation history"
21:01 chris koha will track those things in the statistics table, which you can query with the report writer, but in some places with draconian laws, it is policy to delete that
21:02 owen There's not a pref to hide the circulation history tab is there?
21:02 wizzyrea not that I'm aware of
21:02 chris theres a cron job to make it have no info in it ever
21:03 owen Does that job affect the "previous borrower" info on
21:04 Migs how does Koha compare to Alexandria?
21:04 chris owen: yes
21:05 chris Migs: never used Alexandria so i have no idea
21:06 wizzyrea We have several libraries that have moved away from alexandria to koha
21:06 wizzyrea afaict, they like it better.
21:06 wizzyrea what specifically are you wanting comparisons of?
21:06 robin Migs: they're completely different :) alexandria is a personal book tracking thing, koha is a full library management system.
21:06 robin really? people have used alexandria in a real library?
21:06 wizzyrea alexandria is mainly for school libraries
21:07 wizzyrea is why it looks like a toy.
21:07 robin I used to to track my own books a while back, so either it's gotten heaps better, or they're really using the wrong thing.
21:07 wizzyrea yea, people use it in real libraries
21:07 robin <-- this alexandria?
21:07 wizzyrea hm. this alexandria wasn't … no, def not
21:08 wizzyrea different thing
21:08 robin ah
21:08 chris owen: and yes there is a pref to hide the circ history tab
21:08 wizzyrea surprised there isn't a lawsuit on that one
21:08 chris owen: intranetreadinghistory
21:08 chris and opacreadinghistory
21:08 wizzyrea oooo
21:09 chris stored regardless though
21:09 chris so that doesnt protect you from the FBI
21:09 owen I thought that only hid the reading history tab from the patron record, not the circulation history tab from the biblio record display
21:09 chris so its kinda pointless
21:09 wizzyrea I thought BL had an "anonymize reading history" function
21:09 wizzyrea maybe in the patches for 3.4?
21:10 wizzyrea robin:
21:10 robin yeah, just saw that
21:10 wizzyrea yikes, accidental ctrl-b
21:11 Migs hmmm, okay
21:11 Migs I just hate Alexandria, and I only started using it last week
21:11 wizzyrea heh
21:11 wizzyrea well, what do you hate about it?
21:11 Migs I NEED to find some alternative, and approach upper management about it
21:11 robin it does look like a toy, doesn't it?
21:12 Migs (1) the interface isn't that intuitive, (2) the admin panel is a pain, (3) not great barcode support from what I've seen, (4) I'll find more no doubt
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21:12 wizzyrea hehe yea it does look like a toy
21:12 Migs and we spend a small fortune on it annually
21:12 wizzyrea well you can poke around koha
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21:13 wizzyrea u:bywater p:bywater
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21:13 wizzyrea and the catalog:
21:13 wizzyrea so that's how you could compare them. :)
21:13 wizzyrea personally, having used both, I like koha better.
21:14 robin heh, their hosted service advertises "Your library database sitting on a T3 Internet connection" ... a whole 44Mbps! :)
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21:41 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_5370' into kcmaster <[…]f9ee2a31fcac0a18a> / Bug 5370: Fix all references to <[…]377456d02fdac6598>
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23:12 jcamins_a Meeting tomorrow?
23:13 jcamins_a is now known as jcamins
23:13 chris 10th 7pm
23:13 chris UTC
23:13 chris thursday for us, wednesday for you
23:13 jcamins Ah, thanks.
23:14 brendan ah early one for NZ
23:14 chris yup
23:15 jcamins Convenient for the US East Coast, although I still might not be able to make it.
23:17 * jcamins winces as his cat does a backflip head-first into the rickety leg of his desk
23:18 jcamins Wow, chris, keeping busy, aren't you?
23:18 chris no rest for the wicked
23:22 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Ukranian and Russian syspref language updates <[…]cac78d4e37c30a046> / Russian and Ukranian opac language updates <[…]e8c87013b5ba7b26e> / Staff interface .po file updates <[…]7543272f6f0c1d02c
23:33 wasabi hmm, searches are sloooow :/
23:35 wasabi meh, no anymore
23:36 jcamins wasabi: I think gmcharlt has a mirror of you could borrow the file from to put on
23:36 wasabi aah, thats great news!
23:37 jcamins I don't know where it is, though.
23:37 chris yes there is wasabi
23:37 jcamins However, gmcharlt often appears, deus ex machina, to answer questions like that.
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23:37 jcamins chris does that too. :)
23:37 chris
23:38 chris your search foo is weak!
23:38 chris :)
23:38 * chris goes to get something to eat
23:38 wasabi my search-foo was timing-out !
23:39 wasabi ta
23:47 rhcl is now known as rhcl_away

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