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chris |
that was a fun email to write |
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jcamins_a |
chris++ # for making MARC sound fun |
| 01:11 |
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chris |
hehe |
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jcamins_a is now known as jcamins |
| 01:13 |
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brendan_l |
maybe the emailed nate |
| 01:13 |
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chris |
s/fun/confusing as hell/ |
| 01:27 |
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brendan_l |
heya jcamins |
| 01:27 |
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brendan_l |
you're always around - that's nice ;) |
| 01:28 |
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jcamins |
brendan_l: no I'm not. It just seems like it because I'm almost never not around. ;) |
| 01:28 |
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brendan_l |
I agree to disagree |
| 01:28 |
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jcamins |
You're pretty much always around too, I notice. |
| 01:30 |
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brendan_l |
yeah my wife calls my computer - lady laptop |
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brendan_l |
I tried tricking sonja - by having my computer announce the hour in a mans voice |
| 01:30 |
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brendan_l |
but it didn't trick her |
| 01:32 |
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jcamins |
Heh. No, I wouldn't think it would work. |
| 01:45 |
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* chris_n |
thinks chris should teach MARC-101 |
| 01:51 |
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chris |
hehe |
| 01:51 |
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chris |
i only know what i read at the LOC site |
| 01:56 |
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chris_n |
the new links to the LOC tag descriptions are a nice feature |
| 01:57 |
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chris_n |
those in the MARC editor that is |
| 01:57 |
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chris |
yep |
| 01:58 |
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chris |
you might like to point out that to stacy |
| 01:58 |
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chris |
say that official koha has links to the docs at LOC in the marc editor |
| 02:16 |
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jcamins |
Good night, #koha |
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Brooke |
yo |
| 02:26 |
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chris_n |
yoyo |
| 02:26 |
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* chris_n |
really needs to find something to do |
| 02:27 |
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Brooke |
have you considered going outside? |
| 02:28 |
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Brooke |
if you're *that* bored, I could always spout off features or interface improvements >:) |
| 02:30 |
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chris_n |
ha! |
| 02:31 |
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Brooke |
<--- evil |
| 02:31 |
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* chris_n |
is trying to finish up writing on Koha and the cloud |
| 02:31 |
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Brooke |
who's your audience? |
| 02:32 |
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chris_n |
but inspite of all the clouds, its mighty dry :-) |
| 02:32 |
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chris_n |
libraries... I'm working with nengard to write a chapter in a book |
| 02:32 |
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Brooke |
tee hee |
| 02:32 |
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Brooke |
hope it's not for Neal Schuman |
| 02:34 |
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chris_n |
hmm.... that bad? |
| 02:35 |
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Brooke |
longest chapter of me life |
| 02:35 |
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Brooke |
never again |
| 02:36 |
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Brooke |
and I'm pretty sure they hosed me on copyright |
| 02:36 |
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Brooke |
if I ever confirm that, I might sue. |
| 02:40 |
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Brooke |
Is it not curious that we have a certain amount of redundancy but not in the neighbourhood of organisation? |
| 02:50 |
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Brooke |
okay, the RFCs have officially numbed me brain |
| 02:50 |
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Brooke |
cheers |
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brendan |
evening |
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cait |
hi #koha |
| 06:04 |
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chris |
hiya cait and brendan |
| 06:04 |
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brendan |
heya chris and cait |
| 06:04 |
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cait |
hi chris and brendan :) |
| 06:04 |
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brendan |
cait are you on normal times yet? |
| 06:05 |
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cait |
it's getting better |
| 06:05 |
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cait |
and it has too, don't want to fall asleep at my father's birthday party today :) |
| 06:05 |
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brendan |
ah - well happy birth to him |
| 06:06 |
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brendan |
and that's great that you're getting better |
| 06:06 |
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brendan |
I think nengard and sekjal landed back home tonight (after about 20+ travel |
| 06:07 |
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chris |
yep, thats what 4square tells me |
| 06:07 |
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chris |
37 hours for russ and I to kohacon06 .. so it must have been round the same for cait etc |
| 06:08 |
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cait |
around 30 flight time |
| 06:08 |
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* chris |
has done the 13 hour flight to/from the US far too many times :) |
| 06:08 |
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cait |
not including bug and train |
| 06:08 |
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cait |
bug = bus |
| 06:08 |
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brendan |
heh - I guess it was the layover in detriot that made nengards trip long |
| 06:08 |
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brendan |
and some time in LAX |
| 06:08 |
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chris |
yup |
| 06:08 |
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brendan |
cait rides bugs :) |
| 06:09 |
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chris |
hehe |
| 06:09 |
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cait |
hmpf |
| 06:09 |
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chris |
will be short for you next year, if we can convince mj |
| 06:10 |
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chris |
you could do it all on the train :) |
| 06:10 |
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cait |
nah, perhaps better fly from zürich |
| 06:10 |
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brendan |
YAY |
| 06:10 |
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brendan |
I'd vote for that - well maybe next year we'll have enough offers that we'd need to vote |
| 06:10 |
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brendan |
or maybe montrel |
| 06:10 |
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brendan |
ebegin |
| 06:11 |
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cait |
as long as there is a kohacon next year, I will try to come |
| 06:11 |
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brendan |
that's the attitude |
| 06:11 |
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brendan |
I vote for Koha in Fuji ;) |
| 06:12 |
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brendan |
ever listen to the american radio show called "coast to coast" ? |
| 06:12 |
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chris |
well, if someone wants to do next year, they better volunteer soon, it takes a lot of time to organise |
| 06:13 |
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chris |
im still keen for in the UK |
| 06:13 |
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brendan |
it's a silly show IMO, all these mental people talk about aliens and ghosts and such |
| 06:13 |
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cait |
yah, uk would be really nice |
| 06:13 |
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brendan |
I've been to the UK before... So I'd go for somewhere I haven't |
| 06:14 |
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brendan |
let's have it in NZ next year - I haven't been there ;) |
| 06:14 |
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cait |
yeah, nz would be great tooo |
| 06:14 |
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chris |
heh |
| 06:14 |
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cait |
there is this great town, starts with a w.... hm |
| 06:15 |
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chris |
im not organising it again |
| 06:15 |
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brendan |
westminster uk ? |
| 06:15 |
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brendan |
ah chris have wasabi do it this time or russ |
| 06:15 |
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chris |
anyone crazy enough to volunteer should be supported :) |
| 06:16 |
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brendan |
I'd put up Santa Barbara - but I don't think I'll have the time next year with the little one on the way |
| 06:16 |
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chris |
no, you wont :) |
| 06:16 |
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cait |
chris: make kristina do it ;) |
| 06:17 |
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chris |
hehe, she did most of the last 3 months anyway |
| 06:17 |
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brendan |
ah I got a nice email from kristina - she's awesome virtually |
| 06:17 |
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chris |
yeah, things would never have gone so smoothly without her telling me what to do :-) |
| 06:18 |
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cait |
hehe |
| 06:18 |
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brendan |
so how did koha do as a conference register |
| 06:18 |
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chris |
worked fine |
| 06:18 |
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brendan |
yeah I thought that was a really cool touch |
| 06:18 |
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brendan |
it's the details man - it's the details |
| 06:19 |
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chris |
was a good proof of concept |
| 06:19 |
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chris |
android phone + koha = mobile library |
| 06:20 |
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brendan |
so chris do you all have any non open-source software at your work? |
| 06:20 |
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chris |
the QA team have a couple of windows laptops |
| 06:20 |
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brendan |
well do you use any |
| 06:20 |
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chris |
for testing |
| 06:20 |
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chris |
i dont use any |
| 06:20 |
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brendan |
awesome - not the same here |
| 06:20 |
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brendan |
I think you can tell right away (I'm a mac guy) |
| 06:20 |
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chris |
oh and the design team |
| 06:20 |
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cait |
no, we are all windows, except the servers |
| 06:21 |
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chris |
but everyone else has linux |
| 06:21 |
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chris |
all 100 or so people |
| 06:21 |
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brendan |
I feel like slef is a better open-source index than wikipedia or google |
| 06:21 |
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chris |
:) |
| 06:21 |
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brendan |
he knows them all and has good advice about them |
| 06:22 |
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chris |
free software, if you talking with slef :) |
| 06:22 |
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brendan |
right |
| 06:22 |
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cait |
:) |
| 06:22 |
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brendan |
that's impressive IMHO |
| 06:22 |
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brendan |
it takes a lot to keep up with that much |
| 06:22 |
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chris |
actually, the older i get the more i lean towards free software, and away from open source |
| 06:23 |
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chris |
we have one windows laptop at home, but the rest of the computers are running linux, including the imac |
| 06:24 |
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brendan |
I agree so what - I really like the apple hardware - but I find myself using free software on top of that |
| 06:24 |
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chris |
i havent had a windows machine for hmmm 14 years |
| 06:25 |
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brendan |
after researching IE and M$ security the last few days - I went home and delete M$ office from my wife's computer |
| 06:25 |
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chris |
hehe |
| 06:25 |
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brendan |
told her she's got to get used to libreoffice |
| 06:25 |
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brendan |
she was totally down :) |
| 06:26 |
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chris |
:) |
| 06:26 |
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brendan |
alright chris while you're here - I got a question for you |
| 06:26 |
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chris |
fire away |
| 06:26 |
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brendan |
mysql indexing |
| 06:26 |
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brendan |
are the barcodes indexed |
| 06:26 |
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chris |
yup |
| 06:26 |
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brendan |
I took a look at SHOW INDEX from items |
| 06:26 |
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chris |
well they used to be, lemme check |
| 06:27 |
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brendan |
and it didn't make total sense to me |
| 06:27 |
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brendan |
I've been mucking with mysql-tuning |
| 06:27 |
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brendan |
and I see that some of the response are telling me that mysql needs more indexing |
| 06:28 |
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chris |
UNIQUE KEY `itembarcodeidx` (`barcode`) |
| 06:28 |
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chris |
from the kohastructure.sql |
| 06:28 |
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chris |
now i think someone turned that off, ie turned the unique off |
| 06:28 |
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brendan |
ok so next step that I haven't done - how can I see if itembarcodeidx is uptodate |
| 06:28 |
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chris |
so you could have items with no barcodes |
| 06:28 |
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chris |
(which is dumb imho) |
| 06:28 |
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brendan |
agreed |
| 06:29 |
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chris |
just make up a fake one |
| 06:30 |
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chris |
you might want to do |
| 06:30 |
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chris |
show create table items; |
| 06:31 |
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chris |
and see if it has an index |
| 06:31 |
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chris |
seems to be there for me |
| 06:32 |
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cait |
we use null barcodes... for fake items that point to thinks that are bound together - making up makes it harder for statistics |
| 06:33 |
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brendan |
UNIQUE KEY `itembarcodeidx` (`barcode`), |
| 06:33 |
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brendan |
yup |
| 06:33 |
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cait |
thinks = things... grrr |
| 06:33 |
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* cait |
can't type :( |
| 06:34 |
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brendan |
so itembarcodeidx - is there a way to look at that - or would that all be nonsense |
| 06:34 |
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chris |
nope, if its on its working |
| 06:34 |
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chris |
try this |
| 06:35 |
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chris |
explain select * from items where barcode = '1234x'; |
| 06:36 |
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chris |
(put a real barcode) |
| 06:37 |
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brendan |
ah I see some info in there |
| 06:37 |
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brendan |
possible_keys, key |
| 06:38 |
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brendan |
both have itembarcodeidx |
| 06:38 |
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brendan |
whats the select_type mean? |
| 06:38 |
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brendan |
I have SIMPLE |
| 06:39 |
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chris |
sweet, so if it has that in the keys column, it means its using that |
| 06:39 |
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chris |
possible keys are the ones it could use |
| 06:39 |
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chris |
keys are the ones it is using |
| 06:40 |
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chris |
simple means we have no joins, its a straight where using an index |
| 06:40 |
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chris |
about the faster query there is |
| 06:41 |
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brendan |
ah ok - lightbulb going off here |
| 06:41 |
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chris |
faster=fastest |
| 06:41 |
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brendan |
basically I'm trying to logically go through all the things that circ is doing and see if there are any missing parts |
| 06:42 |
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chris |
*nod* |
| 06:42 |
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chris |
the trick is |
| 06:42 |
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chris |
put some warns in there to dump queries |
| 06:42 |
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brendan |
so I'll be asking questions |
| 06:42 |
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chris |
then use explain |
| 06:42 |
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chris |
to see if they are running using indexes |
| 06:43 |
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chris |
eg |
| 06:43 |
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chris |
try this |
| 06:43 |
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chris |
explain select * from items where barcode like '%1'; |
| 06:43 |
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brendan |
right - dump as much of the information that circ is trying to build... so we can see |
| 06:43 |
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chris |
you'll see the type is ALL |
| 06:44 |
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chris |
you never want to see that :) |
| 06:44 |
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brendan |
yup that looks ugly |
| 06:49 |
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brendan |
good to see cfouts so active |
| 06:49 |
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brendan |
I feel he's been pluggin away with speed issues cfouts++ |
| 06:52 |
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brendan |
so IYO where's the win with circ... is it mainly the issue of writing transactions so many places |
| 06:53 |
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chris |
its the xml |
| 06:53 |
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brendan |
so writing it too xml? |
| 06:53 |
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chris |
its updating the xml at the point of circ |
| 06:54 |
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brendan |
and without writing to xml we lose fast-indexing |
| 06:54 |
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brendan |
:sigh: |
| 06:54 |
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chris |
well, we only want to update the items part |
| 06:55 |
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brendan |
yeah basically it's the availability that we're interested in |
| 06:56 |
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brendan |
well I guess that only speaks to checkout and not checkin |
| 06:56 |
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brendan |
checkin is interested in more than avialablity |
| 06:56 |
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brendan |
tired of this conversation yet - I feel like I've had this one too many times ;) |
| 06:57 |
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chris |
hdl has done some promising work on it |
| 06:57 |
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chris |
in my opinion we should hand it off to another process to update the marc |
| 06:57 |
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chris |
we just want the row in issues |
| 06:57 |
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brendan |
I think just getting the row in issues would be a major increase in speed |
| 06:58 |
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brendan |
is that the solr work by hdl? |
| 06:58 |
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chris |
nope |
| 06:58 |
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chris |
the indexing is totally seperate to the need to update the marc record |
| 07:00 |
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brendan |
is his work on the git.biblibre |
| 07:00 |
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chris |
not sure |
| 07:00 |
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chris |
gotta go bbl |
| 07:00 |
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chris |
(screaming kid) |
| 07:00 |
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brendan |
bye chris |
| 07:00 |
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brendan |
thanks ;) |
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munin |
New commit(s) kohagit: Adding 3.2 Release Maintainer to Release Team List <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]84dd26971d27c6f22> |
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brendan |
thanks munin |
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magnus |
kia ora, #koha! |
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brendan |
heya magnus |
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magnus |
hi brendan |
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magnus |
wassup? |
| 08:33 |
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brendan |
chilling you? |
| 08:34 |
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magnus |
waiting for the last plane of the trip |
| 08:34 |
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magnus |
boooring! ;-) |
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cait |
hi magnus :) |
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cait |
how was your flight? |
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magnus |
cait: boring but no big problems |
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magnus |
bought some nz dessert wine called koha at akl, but was not allowed to bring it into heathrow... :-( |
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magnus |
better get on my plane now - c u l8er! |
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brendan |
night all |
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cait |
bye all :) |
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chris_n |
@later tell cait that patch for overdue notices breaks things |
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munin |
chris_n: The operation succeeded. |
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cait |
hi #koha |
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cait |
chris_n: so no testing required? ;) |
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chris_n |
cait: right, I'm just puzzled as to why it has stopped working for me |
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cait |
hope my patch didn't break it for you - but it shouldn't |
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chris_n |
maybe you can verify that it still works on your system as is |
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cait |
I can try, but have no working mail here |
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cait |
and I am not at home at the moment |
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chris_n |
I don't think your patch caused it |
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chris_n |
ok |
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@wunder 93117 |
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brendan_l: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 15.1�C (8:01 AM PDT on November 06, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014.4 hPa (Steady). |
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slef |
moo from railairbus wifi... nearly home now, only a few more hours |
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slef |
bbl |
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cait |
kohacon pictures make me want to go back |
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cait |
hm, can someone help me with a url in the xslt files? there is a reference to http://www.koha.org/items |
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cait |
which doesn't exist |
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cait |
but did it exist? and do we need it? |
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Brooke |
yo! |
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* Brooke |
guesses that the Kiwis are asleep on a pleasant Sunday morn. |
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Brooke |
email meh when you catch this in the logs in re: W3C Library Linked Data Incubator Group soonish plox. Ima goin back to watch the rest of The Girl Who Played with Fire |
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brendan_l: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 17.4�C (5:03 PM PDT on November 06, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016.1 hPa (Steady). |
