IRC log for #koha, 2010-11-04

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01:13 chris_n #koha has grown quiet since the end of kohacon
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01:37 chris_n gmcharlt about?
01:40 robin well, everyone has returned to their weird places where they have christmas in the cold and night time when it should be day time.
01:40 chris_n lol :)
01:41 * chris_n would feel equally strange with snow in June/July
01:44 gmcharlt chris_n: what's up?
01:44 chris_n what's the proper way to call opac/
01:44 chris_n I'm trying: opac/​
01:45 chris_n from FF, but get an error
01:45 * chris_n is no oai expert
01:45 gmcharlt here's one example
01:45 gmcharlt http://opac1.koha.librarypolic[…]dataPrefix=oai_dc
01:46 chris_n hmm... I must not have something configured correctly
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01:46 chris_n my log says: File does not exist: /home/cnighs/koha.3.2.test/koha-tmpl/opac
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01:47 chris_n based on the very little bit of info in the 3.2 manual, I figured I was missing this file: koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/xslt/UNIMARCslim2OAIDC.xsl
01:47 chris_n and so added it using the example in the manual
01:48 chris_n but, alas, no still no luck
01:49 chris_n I get the same error using the parameters in your query, so I've missed something
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03:06 magnus hiya irmaB
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03:23 cait good morning #koha
03:24 robin hiya
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03:27 brendan heya
03:28 cait hi robin and brendan
03:28 brendan yo
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03:49 magnus hiya cait
03:49 cait hi magnus
03:50 cait you are up early too
03:50 cait or still in nz?
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03:50 magnus nope, still in auckland ;-)
03:50 magnus but you are early, cait!
03:50 magnus got your bag?
03:51 cait yep
03:51 magnus woohoo
03:51 cait got it yesterday evening :)
03:51 cait now my apartment is full of wet freshly washed clothes again :)
03:52 magnus woohoo ;-)
04:04 magnus oh well i better go make the best of my last couple of hours in auckland - talk to y'all again in a few days!
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04:04 * wasabi waves
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04:34 brendan heya wasabi
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05:57 brendan heya wizzyrea_
05:57 brendan you home?
05:57 wizzyrea_ yea, safe and sound :)
05:57 wizzyrea_ very late tho
05:57 wizzyrea_ lol
05:57 wizzyrea_ stupid jet lag
05:57 brendan heh - do you have your luggage?
05:57 wizzyrea_ yup, ddn't lose a thing
05:57 brendan it seems that lots have returned without luggage
05:58 wizzyrea_ hehe
06:11 chris You are up late/early
06:12 wizzyrea_ yea, i'm not following the "recover from jet lag" fles
06:12 wizzyrea_ rules even
06:12 wizzyrea_ tomorrow will suck
06:12 wizzyrea_ but....oh well
06:14 chris Hehe
06:15 chris How's spud coping?
06:15 wizzyrea_ he's doing ok I think
06:16 wizzyrea_ he went to bed last night about 11, woke up today at 1:30pm
06:16 wizzyrea_ we made him skip his nap, and put him to bed at 8:30ish
06:16 wizzyrea_ and he's asleep
06:16 wizzyrea_ now
06:16 wizzyrea_ we'll see lol
06:16 chris Cool
06:18 chris I think magnus, slef and lee are the last ones
06:18 wizzyrea_ kansas feels lonely now, it's odd.
06:19 chris Yeah my office feels quiet
06:19 robin chris: that's because you weren't here today
06:20 chris Good point
06:20 wizzyrea_ lol osnap
06:20 wizzyrea_ hey robin :)
06:20 robin wizzyrea_: �hola!
06:22 robin Of course, it is quiet right now, I'm the only one still here :)
06:25 chris :)
06:27 cait perhaps you should go home too :)
06:27 cait can someone tell me why I redo my slides everytime I have a presentation?
06:27 cait hmpf.
06:28 robin oh crap, I was going to start working on a presentation this evening.
06:28 robin Maybe I'll stop the migration stuff I'm doing and do that for half an hour, then go home.
06:29 chris :)
06:29 cait sounds like a good idea
06:29 cait mine must be finished in an hour
06:29 cait :(
06:30 chris kahu and I ate some more of your chocolate today cait
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06:31 robin I have about two weeks for mine, so it's not critical, but if I don't start it now, I'll find myself working on it on a plane, and that won't end well.
06:36 cait chris: you don't have to report ;)
06:36 cait but glad you like it :)
06:36 chris theres only the swiss stuff left
06:38 cait I had no better idea for a present, but at least chocolate can be eaten and ends not up dusty in a corner somewhere
06:38 robin Don gave a good little talk about KohaCon at Pizza Thursday talks today.
06:38 wizzyrea_ I had a last minute airplane paranoia that prevented me from bringing the things I intended (they were liquid)
06:39 wizzyrea_ but... I intend to mail them!
06:39 chris robin: oh cool, howd that go?
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06:40 robin Quite well, it was to the people that didn't really know what it was.
06:40 robin So fairly light on details, and only a few minutes long.
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06:42 chris right
06:47 chris wizzyrea_:[…]2157625300811656/
06:47 wizzyrea_ awww that's a good one
06:48 wizzyrea_ I have a picture of magnus and thatcher where they look like twins
06:50 robin OK about 5 of 20 minutes of talk sketched out. Home time.
06:51 wizzyrea_ :) yay home!
06:51 chris :)
06:53 cait :)
06:53 brendan night all
06:54 cait good night brendan
06:54 chris night brendan
06:55 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5363 - Removing unused module (C4::Cache::FastMemcached) <[…]4722b3c4bc37e0708>
07:05 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/signoffs' into kcmaster <[…]9b573dcb973761c87> / bug 5149: follow-up - remove extraneous character in link <[…]9860a2b7f14489e97> / bug 5149 fix broken link to noItemTypeImages preference <
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07:17 chris hmm someone/something is pounding the bugs machine
07:17 * chris will stop apache until i can figure out what
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07:26 ivanc good morning #koha
07:31 cait oh no - powerpoint crashed :(
07:36 Oak you should be crashing Impress not powerpoint...
07:36 ivanc hi cait
07:37 ivanc Oak: right :)
07:37 cait hi ivanc
07:37 Oak :)
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07:50 ivanc cait resolved?
07:50 cait yeah
07:50 cait lost only one slide
07:50 cait could have been worse
07:51 cait but have to go now - finished or not
07:51 cait bye all!
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09:22 maragar hello
09:22 maragar anyone around who could answer a question about ä and ö???
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09:26 maragar when I acquire mark record from a z39.50 source all I get is �a for ä and �o for ö
09:26 maragar I can change em manualy ok, but that is a tidious job.... any ideas?
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09:31 chris what z3950 server, and do you have the encoding set right, ie when you set up a z3950 source you can choose marc8 or utf8
09:31 chris try changing it and see if you get better results
09:35 maragar_ ok.... I'll try to find where I can change that
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09:40 maragar That Helpped THX!
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11:54 arooj hello
11:54 arooj ia m using koha 3
11:55 arooj kindly can anyone tell me about how ican upgrade to 3.2
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12:14 owen mbreeding tweets: "Major change with MySQL: free Classic Edition no longer supports InnoDB, only MyISAM"
12:16 chris_n` oracle--
12:16 chris_n` is now known as chris_n
12:16 chris_n yet another (as if we needed one) reason to refuse to allow this project to become vendor controlled
12:17 chris_n btw, MariaDB bills as a drop-in for MySQL...
12:19 chris_n MariaDB uses the XtraDB storage engine which is a drop-in for InnoDB
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12:26 briceSanc hello Koha !
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12:28 briceSanc Is there a simple way to use Koha like a tiny CMS in order to add few pages
12:28 briceSanc ?
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12:29 owen
12:29 briceSanc I saw this page, I did not know if it was still relevant
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12:30 owen briceSanc: I don't know either, I've never tried it
12:30 briceSanc ok, thanks owen !
12:30 briceSanc i check that
12:33 gmcharlt owen: chris_n: it's not good news, but I think it is slightly overblown
12:33 gmcharlt I checked the source download, and innodb is still there
12:34 chris_n gmcharlt: oracle has taken a rather hostile position toward foss of late
12:35 chris_n I wonder how long it will remain in the source
12:35 gmcharlt well, if they start mangling tarballs of past releases, that would be telling
12:36 gmcharlt but InnoDB is (dual-) licensed under the GPL
12:36 gmcharlt Oracle can't touch current implementations and packages
12:36 braedon|h is a fork possible with MySQL as in with OOo?
12:36 gmcharlt braedon|h: there are already forks
12:37 gmcharlt MariaDB being the primary one meant as a drop-in replacement
12:37 braedon|h mm, ok
12:37 gmcharlt Drizzle being another alternative
12:37 braedon|h so they havn't kept anything particuarly important back?
12:37 gmcharlt Drizzle isn't a drop-in replacement, though
12:51 jcamins_a Is there any way to search for all records that have data in a certain field?
12:51 jcamins_a Wait, I can use a report.
12:51 jcamins_a Never mind.
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13:25 chris_n gmcharlt must be reading my mind
13:25 * chris_n is setting up mariadb atm :-)
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13:30 gmcharlt chris_n++
13:31 gmcharlt I do think that there is a bit of FUD about the pricing changes for MySQL support from Oracle, though, that needs to be kept in perspective
13:36 chris_n upon further consideration /me agrees
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13:47 wizzyrea *yawn* good morning :)
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13:50 owen Hi wizzyrea
13:56 * owen waves some coffee in front of wizzyrea
14:00 * wizzyrea jerks awake
14:00 wizzyrea good lord, y'all were busy while I was on the plane
14:00 wizzyrea of course, I had two november 2's.
14:01 * wizzyrea is still confused about what day it is
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14:12 owen wizzyrea: You're confused because last week it was tomorrow, and this week it's yesterday
14:13 gmcharlt owen: I wonder if that will actually help ;)
14:19 wizzyrea ...
14:19 * wizzyrea disappears into a puff of smo...
14:21 wizzyrea sorry, got trapped in a time vortex.
14:22 wizzyrea blinked out of existence there for a minute
14:26 janPasi Hi #koha
14:27 owen Hi janPasi
14:27 janPasi anyone know what's wrong with "hidden" values in framework editor?
14:27 janPasi I'm trying to hide 561a from OPAC, but it doesn't seem to work
14:27 wizzyrea Which version?
14:28 owen janPasi: That might work for the MARC view, but not the standard display
14:28 janPasi
14:28 owen janPasi: Whether you're jusing the normal or XSLT display, the fields which are displayed are hard-coded
14:28 janPasi So how can I hide it from the standard display?
14:29 janPasi (I'm using XSLT)
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14:29 CGI314 Hello the most cramp stupid community which just love to chat with girls and give bulshit support
14:29 owen janPasi: You'll have to edit the xsl file I'm afraid
14:30 owen CGI314: please leave
14:30 CGI314 few days back i came online and i said i have error SELinux preventing me but no one answer me
14:30 CGI314 one guy just said that i have module problem reinstall it
14:30 janPasi Well I tried looking into MARC21slim2OPACDetail.xsl, but I can't see 561 there
14:31 jcamins_a janPasi: where are you trying to hide it from?
14:31 jcamins_a is now known as jcamins
14:31 CGI314 i spent whole day again at least i got solution by myself so plz stop misguiding people if you dont know
14:31 jcamins (one moment, and I'll clarify my question... that was a very bad question)
14:31 CGI314 i lost my job because of this stupidity
14:31 owen janPasi: There's probably a place which loops over the 56* tags or 5** tags
14:32 janPasi jcamins: from the OPAC's "Descriptions" tab
14:32 jcamins Ooh, you understood anyway. Cool!
14:32 CGI314 basically simple problem was to disable selinux and no one dnt tell me this easy thing
14:32 jcamins janPasi: actually, you need to modify the Perl script.
14:32 jcamins It's in...
14:32 CGI314 my company fired me because of this stupid community only 1 minute problem
14:33 jcamins Oh, hm.
14:33 CGI314 SO stop misguiding people if you dnt know exact solution
14:33 jcamins It's in C4::Biblio.
14:33 jcamins CGI314: I think you are in the wrong channel.
14:33 CGI314 i am in right channel Jcammins koha irc
14:34 CGI314 i am just suggesting you if you dnt know answers then no need to misguide people i think so it was chris
14:34 jcamins janPasi: one moment, I'm trying to see if I can figure out how to do this.
14:34 janPasi err...?
14:34 janPasi so which script is that?
14:35 * jcamins is still looking to figure out what's going on...
14:35 jcamins janPasi: you could disable it by modifying C4/
14:35 jcamins But that would also disable it in the intranet view.
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14:36 janPasi jcamins: I think it would still need to be in intranet view
14:36 jcamins Yeah, I know. Right now I'm trying to think of a way to deal with this.
14:37 Sussan hello
14:37 Sussan any one used virtual keyboard
14:38 jcamins janPasi: I don't know how to do it without disabling the view on the intranet, too.
14:38 Sussan in search ,advance search  opac site
14:38 janPasi jcamins: ok, thanks anyway
14:39 jcamins If you use a standard formatting for 561 fields (for example, "Ownership inscription:...") you might be able to have JavaScript hide it.
14:40 Sussan Jcamins do you have any idea regarding using virtual keyboard enabling
14:40 jcamins But I don't think 561 is usually used as a standard.
14:40 jcamins Sussan: no, sorry.
14:40 jcamins I just switch my keyboard when I want to use a different script.
14:41 Sussan How you switch can you tell me.
14:41 jcamins Just in Windows.
14:41 Sussan jcammins i am talking about koha
14:41 Sussan in search , adsearch can i embedd virtual keyboard option
14:42 jcamins Sussan: yes, I know. But whenever I want to enter something other than English, I just switch keyboards. I have never used a virtual keyboard.
14:42 Sussan ok thanks sorry before i couldnt get your point :)
14:44 janPasi here's an example of how 561a is used:[…]biblionumber=5002
14:44 janPasi the last line (that says "Kulttuuriosuuskunta Uulu - Soitinkokoelma.") is 561a
14:45 jcamins janPasi: I don't think there would be any way to hide that with JavaScript, unfortunately.
14:49 janPasi jcamins: ok, we'll just have to live with it then
14:49 jcamins janPasi: this is a terrible solution, but the only thing I can think of if you need this *now* would be to put a subfield 5 at the beginning of each 561, and try and use JavaScript to hide that. Like this: 561  ##$5gmc$aKulttuuriosuuskunta Uulu - Soitinkokoelma.
14:50 jcamins As I said, terrible solution, but if this is really important, that might be an option.
14:51 janPasi ok, i'll have to ask how my collagues feel about that
14:51 janPasi how can i make 561a searchable?
14:51 jcamins janPasi: yay!
14:51 jcamins A question I can answer. :)
14:52 jcamins One moment and I'll give you the exact instructions.
14:52 janPasi cool :D
14:53 jcamins Hm. Why are mine not searchable anymore?
14:54 jcamins (rhetorical question)
14:54 janPasi yeah, i figured it was rethorical
14:57 jcamins After line 154 in etc/zebradb/marc_defs/marc21/biblios/record.abs add "melm 561[tab]Note:w,Note:p
14:57 jcamins Without any quotes.
14:58 janPasi what's [tab] in that?
14:58 jcamins Hit the tab key.
14:58 jcamins My IRC client uses the tab key for autocomplete. :)
14:58 jcamins Then you need to -r -b
14:58 janPasi ah, ok :D
14:59 janPasi should i maybe but 561$a because that's the subfield we need?
14:59 janPasi but=put
14:59 jcamins Yes, that would make sense.
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15:00 janPasi ok, let's see if that worked
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15:01 janPasi hmm... strange
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15:01 janPasi says nothing
15:02 jcamins Good news. :)
15:02 jcamins Try a search.
15:02 janPasi rebuild hasn't completed yet
15:02 jcamins Oh.
15:02 jcamins Well, wait until it has, then. ;)
15:02 janPasi i remembered that it used to output dots or something
15:02 janPasi maybe i was wrong
15:03 janPasi ok, it completed
15:03 janPasi works, thanks a lot :)
15:04 jcamins You're welcome.
15:04 jcamins I need to submit a patch.
15:04 jcamins Well, several patches.
15:04 CGI297 I know Kyle HAll has posted the steps to upgrade his VM appliance of koha, but there's also this tempting menu option "upgrade Koha" when you ssh in as root - Does anyone know if that is to be trusted?
15:04 jcamins Or possibly one big patch adding index for all the archival fields.
15:04 jcamins CGI297: I don't know, sorry.
15:05 chris_n very nice: after switch to mariadb, all mysql dbs are still intact, accessible, and usable
15:05 jcamins Yay!
15:06 * chris_n will now runs some tests
15:06 chris_n I'm not sure what tests...
15:07 CGI297 thanks jcamins; I guess that's why they make VM snapshots. ;) I'll report back what I find
15:08 brendan morning all
15:08 chris_n heya brendan
15:08 wizzyrea mornin brendan
15:08 chris_n hi wizzyrea!
15:09 * chris_n starts with a zebra rinindex
15:09 chris_n reindex, even
15:10 jcamins LC's catalog is down?
15:10 jcamins Ick.
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15:17 chris_n zebra reindexed ok
15:19 chris_n check-in/check-out works
15:20 chris_n gmcharlt: a few quick checks seem to indicate that mariadb appears, indeed, a drop-in replacement
15:20 gmcharlt cool
15:20 chris_n installation from deb packages might be a bit rough for the uninitiated
15:30 chris_n trying out a fresh installation
15:33 chris_n that works nicely
15:33 chris_n gmcharlt: any suggestions on particular areas to test?
15:34 gmcharlt session management, for one
15:34 gmcharlt largish operations, like staging and importing a big batch
15:40 Barrc Anyone know how to create a new search index in 3.006? I need to remove a certain tag from the general search and create a new index on its this possible?
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15:42 jcamins Errr... nice chatting?
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15:44 jcamins Barrc: yes.
15:45 jcamins The field will still show up in keyword searches, but you can create a separate index so that people can use prefixes.
15:45 Barrc jcamins: I got booted from the server just then, so I missed any responses......
15:45 jcamins Fortunately I hadn't typed my response yet.
15:46 jcamins The "yes" was to say "it's possible."
15:46 jcamins The next bit was to explain the limitations.
15:46 Barrc Oh! Thanks.......
15:46 jcamins And now I'll explain how to do it.
15:46 Barrc Please!
15:48 jcamins The short version is, you're going to need to edit etc/zebradb/biblios/etc/bib1.att to add a new index, edit etc/zebradb/marc_defs/marc21/biblios/record.abs to change what index the field you're interested in is getting indexed in, and edit etc/zebradb/properties.ccl to add a search prefix.
15:48 jcamins Then reindex with -b -r
15:50 jcamins I can give you more precise instructions if you need, if you tell me which field you want to move to a separate index, and so forth.
15:51 Barrc I was heading in the right direction myself, it seems. Althought I couldn't quite figure out some of those files. I need to move the contents field to its own index and out of any other index. So 500, and/or 505
15:51 jcamins Okay, you'll want to move the 505.
15:52 jcamins If you move the 500, you'll still end up with all the notes in the same index.
15:52 jcamins ;)
15:53 jcamins So you'd add something like (from memory, so you'll want to check the files to make sure I have the syntax right) "att 7095 contents" to bib1.att
15:54 jcamins Then change the "melm 505 Notes:w,Notes:p" to "melm 505 contents:w,contents:p" (or you may need to add that line)
15:55 Barrc OK, with you so far....
15:55 jcamins Then add to "Contents 1=7095" (or whatever number you chose) and "con Contents"
15:55 jcamins Then rebuild zebra.
15:56 jcamins To search with that, use con:whatever
15:57 Barrc Great....are there any docuements on this? The website has a brief mention of these files but no examples, it mentions a diagram but it isn't shown anywhere
15:57 jcamins There's a way to add that to the dropdown in the searches with jQuery, but it's not on the wiki.
15:57 jcamins Barrc: no, I don't think there is any documentation. :(
15:57 wizzyrea jcamins: did you do that with jquery?
15:58 jcamins wizzyrea: yeah.
15:58 * wizzyrea notes that we should add it to the cookbook
15:58 jcamins Yes.
15:58 wizzyrea ^.^ yay!
15:58 * wizzyrea runs around in a circle squealing "I'M HELPING!!!"
15:59 jcamins $("select[name='idx']").append("<option value='adate'>Auction date</option><option value='Host-item,wrdl'>Journal title</option>");
15:59 wizzyrea hm. perhaps a bit too much time spent with my 2 year old
15:59 jcamins wizzyrea: :)
15:59 jcamins Oh, by the way, welcome back.
16:00 jcamins Recovered from your jetlag?
16:00 wizzyrea oi, no
16:01 wizzyrea was up until like 3am last night
16:01 jcamins Barrc: to clarify, you should adjust that to match your new index.
16:01 wizzyrea (10ish or something NZ time)
16:01 jcamins And that should be surrounded by the document.ready thing.
16:01 wizzyrea forced the kiddo back into bed around 3am after a snack.
16:01 Barrc OK, I think I should be fine from here.....I may write something up too, if I sort it out! Thanks
16:02 jcamins You're welcome.
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16:04 jcamins Added.
16:06 jcamins wizzyrea++
16:08 wizzyrea you may want to put a new title on it :P
16:08 wizzyrea didn't know what to call it
16:21 jcamins I added a title.
16:26 wizzyrea jcamins++
16:26 wizzyrea @karma wizzyrea
16:26 munin wizzyrea: Karma for "wizzyrea" has been increased 114 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 114.
16:26 wizzyrea @karma
16:26 munin wizzyrea: Highest karma: "chris" (187), "gmcharlt" (177), and "owen" (170).  Lowest karma: "<!" (-71), "failed" (-46), and "-" (-30).  You (wizzyrea) are ranked 6 out of 1048.
16:27 wizzyrea i almost caught owen there for a while
16:27 wizzyrea but he's so awesome I'm happy to be behind him ;)
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16:29 jcamins Hi, cait.
16:29 jcamins How did your presentation go?
16:29 cait hi jcamins
16:29 cait I think it was good
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16:30 jcamins Good!
16:30 cait but I am not really objective :)
16:30 jcamins True, but what's important is that you thought it went well. ;)
16:31 cait the discussion was interesting
16:31 cait not only questions, but people talking with each other
16:31 cait about open source :)
16:32 cait now I am sooo tired
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16:35 brice_ do you know where the session are stored when i use "tmp" in sysprefs because the /tmp folder stay empty
16:36 brendan they should be in the /tmp folder
16:37 brice_ it's wired...
16:38 brendan brice_ they are on my system (it's written there by the www-data user)
16:38 brice_ weird
16:38 brendan yup weirdo
16:39 brice_ ok
16:39 brendan do you have a sessionlog in there?
16:40 brice_ i will chech that
16:43 brice_ i have nothing in tmp and in var/log
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16:49 briceSanc brendan, it's ok, i found it in other place, not in koha tmp
16:49 brendan ah where did you find it?
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16:50 briceSanc in /tmp at the beginning of my debian
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16:57 rashed السلام عليكم
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17:32 reva hi good afternoon, Would any of you know what exchange standard is compliant with a content management system like Joomla?
17:34 jcamins reva: you might consider asking that question in the CMS support forums.
17:34 jcamins I'm going to speculate that they mostly just use HTML or some sort of custom markup.
17:35 reva Thanks jcamins. Would you have a link that I can use?
17:35 jcamins reva: no, but Googling might help.
17:36 jcamins To clarify, CMS=Content Management System.
17:36 jcamins It will be different for each different Content Management System. If you're using Joomla, that would be the one to look into.
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17:58 reva Ok, I will. thanks. Also, is there ar button with a label "ready to check out?" that when you click it which triggers the scanner to turn on ?
17:58 owen reva: In Koha? Your web browser can't control your scanner.
17:59 reva so what will be the trigger for sef-checkout?
17:59 wizzyrea um, normally people set the scanner to always on for that sort of thing
17:59 trea reva: you should be able to configure the scanner itself to sit in automatic mode (ie, always scanning)
18:00 wizzyrea ^^
18:00 trea that is based on the model of scanner you have
18:00 jcamins That has nothing to do with Koha, though.
18:00 wizzyrea the code to scan to enable it is usually in the manual
18:01 reva Thanks.
18:01 wizzyrea the manual for the scanner, i should say, not the koha manual.
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18:17 reva Thanks wizzyrea.
18:18 wizzyrea yep :)
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18:24 seneca Anyone have experience with getting Koha to send emails?
18:25 seneca my server can send emails just fine from the command line, but I can't get Koha to send anything
18:25 seneca though I very probably have missed a step
18:26 seneca is there a global "enable email" checkbox or a line in a config file?
18:28 wizzyrea hrmm
18:29 seneca my thoughts exactly ;)
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18:30 seneca I saw in some google search result that there might be cronjobs to set, but I haven't seen what those might be
18:30 brendan seneca yes look at your cronjobs
18:30 brendan and also under koha > tools> notice/status/triggers
18:30 seneca cronjobs as which user?
18:31 brendan cronjobs usually are under the koha/misc/cronjobs
18:31 brendan your kohauser
18:32 owen seneca: Although it depends on which kind of email you're trying to send. Emailing a cart, for instance, should happen right away (no cronjob)
18:32 seneca you mean the user "koha" or the user that koha is runnign as?
18:32 seneca at this point, I'm trying to get any email to work, so I suppose let's try for non-cron emails first. :)
18:33 jcamins seneca: the latter.
18:36 seneca hrm...looks like the cart function isn't working... (I just upgraded to 3.2)  All you do is click on the cart button to view the cart, right?
18:37 jcamins seneca: if you don't have anything in your cart, it won't do anything.
18:37 seneca I've got three things
18:37 jcamins Hm.
18:37 seneca hold on..
18:38 wizzyrea the cart works on mine which is tracking master
18:39 seneca yeah, I got it...
18:39 wizzyrea maybe you have very aggressive pop up blocking?
18:39 wizzyrea oh cool.
18:39 seneca ok, the emailing of carts works
18:40 seneca how about the emailing of hold being set to the librarian - is that a cron send?
18:43 brendan emailing of the hold to librarian - doesn't work
18:43 seneca ah - a not-there-yet feature. eh?
18:43 seneca that would explain that
18:44 seneca to your knowledge, do the fines and due dates email work?
18:50 chris yes, i have libraries using those in production
18:50 chris once you have the cron jobs running
18:51 seneca oh! I just ran the process_message_queue script and the holds emails were delivered!
18:51 seneca I guess that does work now
18:51 seneca and is apparently a cron send ;)
18:52 seneca is there a recommendation for how often to run that script or is it just up to the user?
18:52 chris up to the user
18:52 chris i run it every 15
18:52 reva hi, i am reading the question on emaililng the cart. Mine has problems emailing (I am operating from Koha 3.0.6). Where do I set the pop-mail server info?
18:52 seneca cool
18:55 chris you dont, pop is for fetching email reva
18:56 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_5227' into kcmaster <[…]5752d368f540fb02e>
18:56 reva ok chris, where do I set a mail server address to send the mail out. That is why my cart email does not work?
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18:58 jcamins reva: you'd have to set up a mail server on your computer. That's not really a Koha thing, though.
18:58 jcamins (on your server, I mean, not your desktop)
18:59 reva Congrats on 3.2. I have the Live Cd version of it in the virtual box now. It looks good with all the clone working on the subfields. And my colors are desert adobe with nutmeg.
19:03 reva jcamins, we have a government mail server; so there is nothing I have to do from inside Koha the email my cart? (So I need to set my Ubuntu to the mail server address?)
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19:04 reva Because my Koha is running on an Ubuntu server.
19:05 jcamins reva: I think there was just a discussion about this on the mailing list. You need to have someone way of sending e-mail from your Koha server. Which means you need a mail server.
19:05 jcamins Here. http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.[…]lp-td3059408.html
19:06 reva Thanks, jcamins. I will read through and contact the people in the department for it.
19:06 jcamins (that was the tenth result on Google for "koha send email," in case you were curious)
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19:09 richard hi
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19:15 reva Ok, I am seeing this as the solution for us (though I do not understand postfix): Koha relies a lot on the mail functions of the server.  For example I have my server running postfix and set to send email through another mail server.
19:15 jcamins reva: yes, that is correct. You need to make sure you are able to send e-mail from the server.
19:16 jcamins You'll probably want to look online for documentation on how to set up a mail server.
19:17 wizzyrea hey richard :)
19:18 reva Ok, I will let the correct people know here so they can do it. I will look for the suggested documentation to set up. As I said, we run our current hard disk installed Koha on Ubuntu server 10.04 and the 3.2 Live CD runs on Ubuntu 10.10.  So it should be possible to set it up as mail server. I think.
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19:20 mib_mike reva I just got here. Can you restate your problem
19:28 reva hi mib_mike, I wanted to set up my OS so that it can send email from Koha. My 3.2 is running on Ubuntu 10.10
19:28 mib_mike reva are you getting errors, or are you starting from scratch?
19:29 reva I am starting from scratch.
19:29 mib_mike reva: I'm running the same system you have.
19:30 mib_mike is postfix installed on your system?
19:30 reva Ok, so how would I install postfix so that my Ubuntu can connect to our government mail server and send email? So that Koha that is inside can send emails.
19:31 reva No, not yet. Is it a package I can have downloaded and installed?
19:31 mib_mike what happens when you run "ps -ef | grep postfix" at your command line?
19:31 reva Because the system minimal packages installed, I do not think that it has postfix installed.
19:32 reva I will try it now.
19:33 reva Hold on for a second, I have to boot into my system.
19:33 mib_mike O.K.  also do you know who provides your smtp service?
19:35 reva It comes up with abbs 2375 2371 15:49 pts/0 00:00:00 grep postfix. Does that mean it is not installed?:)
19:35 mib_mike Well, it's not running, anyway.
19:35 reva not off the top of my head, I have to check with the government agency.
19:36 reva so what would I do to start it running?
19:36 mib_mike what about "ls -l /etc/init.d/postfix "
19:36 reva let me try listing
19:37 wizzyrea ubuntu? sudo /etc/init.d/postfix start, usually
19:37 reva Let me pipe it through less and read and tell you as a lot scrolled by.
19:38 mib_mike It shouldn't have been more than one line.
19:38 jcamins reva: if you entered the line that mib_mike suggested, you should have one or zero lines.
19:38 jcamins If you got more, try retyping.
19:39 reva There is so ls cannot access it because no file or directory.
19:39 mib_mike So yeah, you'll have to install it.
19:39 reva ok, so is it a package I go looking for?
19:40 reva or use wget to get it?
19:40 mib_mike sudo apt-get install postfix
19:40 mib_mike yes, it's a package
19:40 reva ok, I am doing it just now
19:41 reva it says postfix is not available. The Live CD builder trims the packages down, so that it can inside one CD. So I have to probably fetch it from an ftp site.
19:42 wizzyrea sudo apt-get install postfix would probably do it
19:42 mib_mike apt-get should be able to fetch stuff.
19:42 mib_mike You didn't boot from the cd, did you?
19:43 reva I still get no candidate as response.
19:43 reva No, this is hard disk install.
19:43 wizzyrea does the server have internet access?
19:44 reva And my virtual box install is also boots from the virtual hard disk.
19:44 mib_mike I'm a bit rusty here, but you probably have to modify the package sources
19:44 jcamins I don't think so.
19:45 wizzyrea surely not for postfix
19:45 jcamins
19:45 mib_mike I'm sorry, I mispoke.
19:45 mib_mike[…]ories/CommandLine
19:45 mib_mike I mean repository sources.
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19:50 mib_mike Note the "future versions area"  We're past hardy and intrepid already
19:51 reva jcamins, I have noted it down and try it tommorrow. Thanks mib_mike and jcamins. One more week!:)
19:51 reva Again Koha 3.2 is slick. Congrats Koha.
19:52 jcamins reva: what I was saying with that link is that if you are unable to install with apt-get, there is a problem with Ubuntu on your computer.
19:52 reva ok, I see. may be I have to go into source.list and tweak that?
19:53 mib_mike The source.list is how apt knows where to find packages
19:53 reva But I have no problem it running, no error messages. So I am not sure.
19:53 mib_mike It's possible that your source list is very restrictive.
19:54 reva Ok, maybe that has some other address other than the standard address for fetching packages?
19:54 mib_mike No, postfix is a standard package.
19:54 mib_mike You might have a "non-standard" source list.
19:54 reva Ok, it could be. but I did sudo and it asked for the root password. So I should be able to run commands using the list.
19:55 mib_mike It's also possible you've got some other problem.
19:55 mib_mike sudo shouldn't ask for the ROOT password, it should ask for YOUR password.
19:56 reva Ok, I will try and modify it tomorrow as they are closing for the day. Thanks and bye everyone. Sorry I misspoke; that was my password.
19:56 mib_mike sources.list is a configuration file for apt that tells apt where on the internet it can look for packages.
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20:20 mib_mike I'm getting a software error in koha 3.02 when adding a new order to a basket
20:20 mib_mike Mandatory parameter budget_id missing at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/ line 903 called from acqui/
20:22 chris 3.2.0 or 3.0.2
20:22 chris it always confuses me when ppl leave out .
20:22 mib_mike koha-3.02.00
20:22 chris ta
20:23 chris ppl kept writing 3.00.02 as 3.02
20:23 chris so now i always have to ask :)
20:23 chris ah right
20:23 mib_mike No problem.
20:23 chris have you defined budgets etc?
20:23 chris and is this a brand new basket, or one that came across in the upgrade?
20:24 mib_mike Well, it was working in 3.00.06.  I get the same error adding orders to new baskets or old ones.
20:24 brendan what does the kc stand for in the new branches that are appearing?
20:25 mib_mike Actually I should say I get AN error in either case. I don't know it's the same one.
20:25 chris right, acquisitions changed totally
20:25 jcamins brendan: Koha Community?
20:25 chris brendan: koha-community
20:25 brendan ha - that was easy
20:25 chris means i merged it from
20:25 chris you might see some galen/something
20:25 chris or fbcit/something
20:25 chris if i merged from someone else's repo
20:26 brendan fb = facebook ;_
20:26 brendan :)
20:26 chris mib_mike: can  you check your budgets etc, make sure they are all set up?
20:26 gmcharlt chris_n: old nicks are forever, I see ;)
20:26 chris :)
20:26 chris they live on as remotes
20:26 chris :)
20:27 mib_mike I've got budgets.
20:27 mib_mike one is listed as both active and locked.
20:28 mib_mike I'm not much of a user.  What does that mean?
20:28 mib_mike Hmm.  It looks like the end date of that budget has passed.
20:29 chris i suspect that is the problem
20:29 chris could you change it
20:29 chris see if that fixes it
20:29 mib_mike In fact, the end date of ALL my budgets seem to have passed!
20:29 chris and if so, lodge a bug
20:29 chris because the error message should be
20:29 chris "You have no valid budgets"
20:29 chris or something that is actually useful :)
20:30 mib_mike Thanks, chris. I wil
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20:46 chris ok, im outta here
20:48 wizzyrea farewell
20:49 jcamins Bye.
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21:44 robin[…]geons-Pay-002.jpg <-- Oh they will, they will pay!
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22:55 jcamins xml_querying_with_reports++
22:58 chris_n lol robin
23:07 jcamins Does the timestamp get updated when you select a record?
23:10 jcamins Never mind.
23:10 jcamins I was in the wrong database.
23:18 chris_n only on inserts/updates
23:37 jcamins Yeah, that was a dumb question. I couldn't figure out why I was missing bibs 6-100, but it turns out that's because I deleted them.
23:46 * jcamins has forgotten his SSH passphrase
23:47 jcamins Bother.
23:55 jcamins Hm.
23:55 jcamins What's with the questionmarks that have appeared in the cataloging module?
23:56 jcamins Ohhh.
23:56 jcamins Help.

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