IRC log for #koha, 2010-10-29

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00:22 slef and we're back
00:22 brendan yay!
00:23 slef being demo'd
00:23 sekjal it's awesome.  can't wait to play
00:23 brendan ah cool I've mucked with it a little bit
00:24 brendan seems pretty awesome
00:25 wizzyrea it's pretty epic
00:27 sekjal so, now that we have a .deb package, time to revisit TurnKey Linux?
00:27 wizzyrea rather looks that way doesn't it
00:28 slef sekjal: whassat?
00:28 wizzyrea
00:28 sekjal we can create a fully functional Koha appliance
00:28 sekjal download, and run on VM or burn to disc and load on a machine
00:30 slef why not just build a livecd with the debs?
00:30 slef why run it on amazon's saas?
00:30 wizzyrea it doesn't have to be run on amazon
00:30 wizzyrea it can be downloaded to a CD iirc
00:30 wizzyrea maybe not anymroe
00:30 wizzyrea more*
00:32 slef it looks a bit risky, given that libs seem freedom-ignorant sometimes, but support needs freedom to be sustainable
00:32 slef also a 2008 ubuntu?
00:33 wizzyrea the original time we visited it was probably in 2008, afaik nobody's looked at it since then
00:33 wizzyrea at least I haven't
00:34 slef me neither... not sure how we'd resource this... might it become stale like win32?
00:34 wizzyrea depends on whether the packages stay up to date I guess
00:38 slef they won't stay up to date by themselves... it  needs to be resourced and maybe automated
00:38 wizzyrea yep, catalyst has the charge on that atm I think
00:39 slef yeah but someone needs to make/maintain/test the turnkey thing?
00:39 wizzyrea oh oh yes
00:39 wizzyrea sorry I misunderstood
00:40 slef np
00:43 wizzyrea
00:43 wizzyrea oops
00:46 slef Prof. Prasad, DRTC, Bangalore has created a LiveCD with Koha-3.02.00 &
00:46 slef DSpace-1.6.2 integrated with Ubuntu 10.4.1 LTS version. This LiveCD was
00:46 slef distributed to all the participants. This LiveCD will be uploaded to
00:46 slef Sourceforge soon.
00:46 slef from the dbj college workshop report
00:47 slef someone with a decent keyb want to reply poitively to that
00:48 slef ?
00:52 sekjal is this on the list?
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00:53 wizzyrea blast missed owen again
00:53 laurenthd slef: cant see that email you point
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00:58 slef sekjal: yeah, main list I think... 1mo
00:59 slef Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 14:58:15 +0530
00:59 slef From: Sunita Barve <>
00:59 slef To:
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01:25 sekjal I'm up after Donovan.  Anyone willing to blog me?
01:25 sekjal It's going to be a much less techie talk than previous.
01:25 sekjal hopefully that'll be alright
01:26 slef so is this guy not liking our current style guidelines?
01:27 slef hrm, apparently not
01:28 wizzyrea oh, I don't think he's saying that, just wanting us to not wipe the history
01:28 wizzyrea understandable
01:28 slef the CG wiki page is only partial... rest is on kohadocs
01:29 wizzyrea should probably be moved/rewritten
01:29 nengard sekjal i'll do it of course
01:29 slef maybe, yes
01:29 slef cmon sekjal give us an uplifting talk!
01:30 sekjal I think Donovan just wants us to have a more rigourous set of rules... or at least think about whether we want to
01:31 slef I feel a bit like I've had 2 talks saying we're doing stuff wrong or should be running neater code in the cloud
01:31 sekjal thanks, nengard!
01:31 slef we have thought about whether we want to
01:31 sekjal hopefully my talk won't be complete fluff
01:32 nengard i might have to come take your seat to blog effectively
01:32 slef stumbling block is making it easy for people
01:32 wizzyrea bug 2505
01:32 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2505 major, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, enable Perl warnings in all modules and scripts
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01:32 sekjal I'm going to stay seated, since I've got such an optimal spot
01:32 slef why is that NEW not ASSI?
01:32 wizzyrea no clue
01:33 nengard anyone know how to delete a subset of urls from your firefox browser history-i don't want to wipe it all, just urls that are no longer valid -- aka
01:33 gmcharlt because while I am certainly doing some work on that bug (see my bug2505), I assuredly hope that I'm not the only one working on it
01:33 laurenthd slef: it has been there for a while.
01:33 gmcharlt gcollum has done rather a lot with that, of course
01:33 nengard yeah that's a problem with bugzilla
01:33 laurenthd slef: it can be nearly closed.
01:34 gmcharlt laurenthd: that's a little optimistic - work on that bug is at most 50% done
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01:34 nengard slef++
01:34 nengard gone from history
01:34 nengard no more clicking the wrong link
01:35 laurenthd first time ever someone tells me i am optimistic
01:35 laurenthd ;)
01:35 wizzyrea lol
01:35 magnus hehe
01:35 slef mmm, I thought last time I tried to enforce a rule (sql placeholders), laurenthd flamed me, but maybe I misremember
01:36 slef oh goody an OReilly advert
01:36 * slef would shoot most of the animal books if he could
01:37 wizzyrea ooo
01:37 wizzyrea are you feeling a bit stabby, slef?
01:37 slef you know the crack in time in Dr Who? that erases stuff from history?
01:37 slef tip ORA in it
01:38 magnus my office shelf would be rather empty, then...
01:38 magnus as well as my head ;-)
01:38 gmcharlt laurenthd: but certainly we can make a good bit of progress for 3.4, if not close it outright
01:38 slef magnus: yeah, they dominate perl in particular
01:39 magnus yep
01:39 slef it's bad for perl, being dominated by one gatekeeper
01:41 brendan sekjal++ #for a good presentation coming :)
01:41 cait sekjal: what is your presentation about?
01:42 sekjal Possible directions for Koha 4.0
01:42 slef It's not like we need more tools to whinge at us. We need more tools to help us fix stuff.
01:42 magnus slef++
01:43 laurenthd gmcharlt: I agree.
01:44 laurenthd slef: which patch ?
01:44 slef I'm seriously temopted to go off and butcher the wiki to remove stuff, but I want to hear sekjal's forward-looking talk.
01:45 slef laurenthd: something back in 2.x
01:45 nengard sekjal has a ton of awesome ideas
01:45 cait sekjal: cool!
01:45 nengard sometimes we have reign him back into the present :)
01:45 laurenthd butcher the wiki ?
01:46 slef like debating patron/member/borrower
01:46 magnus just don't butcher any kiwis! ;-)
01:46 slef I'm pretty sure we decided to use ODLIS terms by default a while ago?
01:47 slef maybe that decision was lost in the wiki move
01:47 gmcharlt slef: yes, I believe so
01:47 laurenthd The problem is that when you look at the code, it still has scars of old times.
01:47 slef so why debate it again? round and round and round
01:49 jcamins_a I am not sure if it's because I'm tired or because y'all are also talking, but I cannot follow this conversation at all.
01:49 slef jcamins_a: a load of questions ave been added to the end of the wiki coding guidelines page
01:50 chris They've been there for a year or so
01:50 chris Well before the move at least
01:50 slef chris: anyone mention them on-list or in-meeting?
01:51 chris Not sure
01:51 chris It was a long time ago, I think biblibre started
01:51 slef I struggle to read list mail comprehensively, let alone RecentChanges
01:51 wizzyrea jwagner is going to try and point out that a bunch of these are already out via harley
01:51 wizzyrea newsflash: half of them don't work
01:52 brendan heh
01:52 slef wizzyrea: shall I heckle? ;-)
01:52 chris Why stop now ?
01:52 jcamins_a A bunch of what?
01:52 jcamins_a I should just wait for nengard's excellent blog post, shouldn't I?
01:53 slef jcamins_a: a bunch of sekjal's suggested featuress
01:53 * cait waves to jcamins
01:53 slef sekjal is speaking in the room
01:53 wizzyrea lol
01:54 jcamins_a Ah.
01:54 * jcamins_a waves to cait
01:54 cait :)
01:54 nengard jcamins_a writing now - i yelled at brendan for interrupting me
01:54 brendan I'm good at interrupting ;)
01:54 slef "rebuilding holds: primary key, multiple holds per title, suspension and netflix-style queue, cost matric for hold fulfilment by transfer from branches, bi-directional linked list v numeric queue"
01:55 jcamins_a nengard++ # because without nengard, us poor sleepy USians wouldn't have a clue what was going on
01:55 slef shall I continue typing in the slides?
01:55 nengard also sekjal did some posts this AM too - see twitter
01:55 slef or I could try streaming it to if you want it
01:55 jcamins_a No, I should probably go to sleep anyway.
01:56 jcamins_a But kohacon is just so interesting.
01:56 jcamins_a nengard: I'm reading those posts now.
01:56 slef "rebuilding notices: make all printed slips use templates, priority order for notifications, on-demand messages, librarians can decide which notice types are mandatory and
01:57 slef which are user-configurable, better sms/im support"
01:57 * slef boogies around sekjal's happy feature list
01:58 cait I will write the next
01:59 jcamins_a Koha 4.0 is going to be awesome! :D
01:59 laurenthd
01:59 wizzyrea i think having a message template for sms would be epic
01:59 cait two tabels: accoutns and accountlines, atomic transactions, syspref for grouping transactions by item or type, pay partially  on multiple charges, multi-currency (real time exchange rates)
01:59 laurenthd maybe we could try that C4::Mailer
01:59 slef "rebuilding accounts: accounts and accountlines, atomic transactions, syspref for grouping transactions by itemor by type, pay partially on multiple charges, multi-currency with real-time exchange rates"
01:59 laurenthd could help.
01:59 slef oops
02:00 slef I was wrtie-only
02:00 slef write-only
02:00 cait I think it would be neat, if you could choose for notices if you want to send them by email or print them (overdues especially)
02:00 cait ah sorry slef, thought we could take turns :)
02:00 wizzyrea again, ptfs says they do that
02:01 slef only improvement sekjal could make is to have cool animatuions (explode accounts into two tables) instwad of ppt bullets
02:01 slef cait: you next?
02:01 slef sorry for not reading
02:02 cait yep· can do it :)
02:02 cait I was not clear about it
02:02 slef tyvm
02:03 cait keep only core library data in borrowers table
02:03 cait rest of data user configurable like Extended attributes
02:03 cait hierarchical borrower types
02:03 cait borrower preferences
02:04 cait roles to bundle default preferences and permissions
02:04 slef (slide title is rebuilding borrowers)
02:04 cait <end of slide>
02:04 magnus could someone please help sekjal with his "infinite time" project? ;-)
02:05 wizzyrea lol
02:05 chris wizzyrea: patch or it didn't happen is the answer to that
02:05 brendan infinite_time++
02:05 cait infinite_time++
02:05 jcamins_a infinite_time++
02:05 magnus infinite_time++
02:05 paul_p 1000mn per hour would be a good start (infinite_time being probably unreachable ;-) )
02:06 * cait wants more time to learn to program these things!
02:06 gmcharlt magnus: I'll help if I can get somebody to help with cloning ;)
02:06 laurenthd shared_coding++
02:06 jcamins_a Better: while (infinite_time++);
02:06 laurenthd little_steps++
02:06 cait slef: you or me?
02:06 wizzyrea let me rephrase: PTFS would say that those features exist but we haven't pulled them
02:06 wizzyrea How's that.
02:06 chris Patch or it didn't happen
02:07 gmcharlt Patch against master or it didn't happen
02:07 cait "Crossing Borrowers/Authorities: Optional connection of borrower to their authority record, optionally allow borrower... too fast.
02:07 chris Ziggactly
02:07 * bfleming just noticed 3.2.0 was released
02:08 laurenthd Venrods and vendor contacts into borrowers
02:08 laurenthd Merge accounts and acq as single money system
02:08 cait "Crossing Borrowers/Acq: vendors and vendor contracts into borrowers, merge accounts and acq as single money system, allow borrowers to fllow suggestions through acq process (auto-hold)"
02:08 slef sorry, was distracted by message
02:08 laurenthd allow borrowers to floow suggestions
02:08 * brendan is hearing good things
02:08 cait "Crossing Serials/Acq: manage subscriptions/renewals in acq module, EDI/ONIX support"
02:09 brendan s/hearing/reading
02:09 cait "crossing serials/cataloging: MARC format for holdings data support (UNIMARC equiv?), import, export, search, bindery"
02:10 laurenthd[…]oldingsFormat.pdf
02:10 cait "Hourly circ/course reserves: base period of minute, connect to calendar and notices, course reserves: a list materials pulled out (temporarily) for special purpose, electronic reserve"
02:11 slef brendan: I'd hope sekjal isn't announcing unknown-to-bywater stuff!
02:11 brendan gotta pipe in here -- go giants 2-0 bottom of nine
02:11 wizzyrea hourly loans -- something else that we have but don't have.
02:11 slef brendan: v?
02:11 brendan nope - just need to find the time of course
02:11 wizzyrea I'm just sighing about it. Such a waste.
02:12 brendan texas rangers
02:12 slef yeah, go giants
02:12 cait "ERM: new concept: "package" (from ERMI), import holdings from data source, built-in open link resolver, SUSHI statistics, handle usage limitations and access restrictions"
02:12 brendan slef++
02:12 wizzyrea here's your analytics jcamins ;)
02:12 slef there are envelopes and bottles changing hands here
02:13 brendan beer++
02:13 slef oh is that why?
02:13 cait "Biblio relationships: beyond analytics, user-configurable relationships between biblios, options item "pass-through", optional MARC representation, could cover FRBR, similar items and more
02:13 cait "
02:13 chris Yup
02:13 chris Russ is off to buy some more beer
02:14 wizzyrea woot! beer++
02:14 jcamins_a Woohoo! analytics++
02:14 slef I thought it might be red diesel scamming
02:14 jcamins_a Wait, no.
02:14 jcamins_a analytics--
02:14 cait juice?
02:14 jcamins_a analytic_support++
02:14 cait "Arbitrary metadata schemas: ..."
02:15 slef Yeah, sekjal is accelerating to finish in time now
02:15 jcamins_a Analytics are the bane of my existence (Durin had the balrog, I have analytics), but support would be nice.
02:15 jcamins_a When's "in time"?
02:15 slef xx30
02:15 cait "Widgetized staff client: for each module's home page define blocks of screen real estate, have a directory of widgets (easy to add more), allow staff to drag/drop widgets per module onto page, saved as part of their preferences"
02:15 jcamins_a Ooh!
02:15 jcamins_a I like that!
02:15 cait yeah, we really nead cloning and infinite time
02:16 cait "Enhanced circ prefs: like circ rules, but for more things, use key/value table; combo of branch/itype/categorycode gives value
02:16 slef we need speakers to get N mins free, then X mins extra if a majority approve
02:16 cait default values specified like sysprefs, tool to show applicable rules for combo of inputs"
02:16 slef ;-)
02:17 laurenthd already done
02:17 * slef would be gone after N mins, every time
02:17 jcamins_a Okay, much as I want to stay, I should go to sleep.
02:17 jcamins_a Good night, #koha
02:17 brendan night
02:17 laurenthd night
02:17 cait "Mobile interfaces: both OPAC and staff client, optimize for various smart devicces, connect to camera..."
02:18 slef bye jcamins_a
02:18 brendan mobile_interfaces before 4.0
02:18 brendan imo
02:19 cait "little ideas: recalls: all current issues with hols on them + button to send message, ILL: like suggestions to user, but managed in different backend, more barcode encodings, multiple LDAPs/Shibboleth support, cron scheduling interface in staff client, OCLC connexion gateway"
02:19 slef bug 1993
02:19 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1993 enhancement, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Task Scheduler Needs Re-write
02:19 cait can I stop now that jcamins is gone?
02:19 laurenthd slef: not new ;)
02:19 slef cait: yes, sekjal and nengard will post
02:19 cait hmpf :)
02:20 slef let's hackle donovan
02:20 nengard almost posted
02:20 slef damn, irc unplugged
02:20 sekjal oh, wow, that's a lot of IRC to catch up on
02:20 nengard
02:21 slef sekjal: we're too happy
02:21 slef not sure whether to stay here now
02:21 brendan good job sekjal - that's the most active IRC session
02:21 brendan thanks all for posting your thoughts :)
02:21 sekjal :)
02:22 sekjal back to blogging....
02:22 slef we suck for cgi being the default still
02:22 chris Yeah we need to fix that
02:22 slef and for leaving people to configure apache
02:23 slef no, we need to be clean for persistance (=enable performance) but not force it.
02:24 slef Why's it so hot in the hacklab?
02:24 wizzyrea it's not warmish over here
02:24 * slef moves
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02:25 slef robin-: no breaking my tunnel, man
02:25 nengard slef behind me - got to make sure i don't type about him
02:25 nengard :)
02:26 wizzyrea you might get less than a metaphorical slap with a trout
02:26 wizzyrea er more than
02:26 slef nengard: is that why you're sat right up blocking the screen?
02:26 wizzyrea crikey
02:26 nengard LOL
02:26 nengard didn't realize i did it
02:26 robin- slef: doesn't support SSL :(
02:26 paul_p well... isn't our main perf limit caused by being in CGI mode ?
02:27 nengard slef - bengard might need your expertice :)
02:27 nengard did i spell that right?
02:27 slef mmm, here we go... cgi is default, so we must know stuff all about performance
02:27 laurenthd paul_p: not only
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02:27 robin- paul_p: the start/ shutdown overhead from chi
02:28 robin- Err
02:28 chris Did you bail home darling?
02:28 darling did I miss anything?
02:28 slef paul_p: only if you're running it in cgi mode still
02:28 robin- CGI is a real issue
02:28 wizzyrea you missed sekjal's epic "dreams for koha" talk
02:28 darling chris, yeah, house org to prevent jj from killing me before we head off
02:28 paul_p slef, are you not anymore ?
02:28 darling dreams!
02:28 darling i want
02:28 wizzyrea (features we would like for koha, crazy ideas, etc)
02:28 * darling will be around tomorrow tho
02:29 slef robin-: ssl: yeah, well, it's not a real proxy, so no ssl cert
02:29 darling ah -- I still need to catch up w/current koha
02:29 nengard is owen here? he might like - he loves firebug
02:29 darling is pretty dreamy already
02:29 darling yslow's cool
02:29 slef robin-: you have ssh+socks to something outside, I'm sure
02:30 wizzyrea @quote add <darling> I still need to catch up with current Koha. Is pretty dreamy already.
02:30 munin wizzyrea: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
02:30 wizzyrea noooo
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02:30 robin- slef: can't be bothered setting it up on my phone:)
02:30 chris slef: don't take it so personally this first day is more for the newer developers
02:30 gmcharlt @quote add <darling> I still need to catch up with current Koha. Is pretty dreamy already.
02:30 munin gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.  Quote #101 added.
02:30 darling !
02:30 wizzyrea there you go
02:30 wizzyrea maybe I didn't read that right lol
02:31 gmcharlt @quote get 100
02:31 munin gmcharlt: Quote #100: "chris: well, one of them is overhauling the whole templating system jcamins: Koha's other swiss army chainsaw" (added by wizzyrea at 03:41 PM, October 11, 2010)
02:31 wizzyrea that was a funny day
02:31 laurenthd NYTProf as perl profiler
02:31 wizzyrea @quote get 23
02:31 munin wizzyrea: Quote #23: "<gmcharlt> /msg munin register nick password" (added by wizzyrea_ at 12:25 PM, August 06, 2009)
02:31 slef paul_p: I think we have fcgi or speedy in places, but koha needs more cleaning to use more
02:31 * laurenthd nods
02:31 paul_p chris, agreed, /me really hoping tomorrow & sunday will be more decision oriented days !
02:31 paul_p slef, agreed !
02:32 jwagner To clarify wizzyrea's comments beginning at[…]10-10-29#i_528527 -- I actually made no comments at all during sekjal's presentation.
02:32 chris It will be, but ppl came from solomons and pakistan for this, nice to have stuff for them too
02:33 jwagner Considering how many people in the room know that,I'm disappointed that no one pointed that out.
02:33 slef chris: why don't ppl look at the work already done? => less time repeating our work, more time to try helpful stuff
02:33 jwagner I thought sekjal had a lot of good ideas.  We've done some work in some of those areas, but certainly a lot more could be done.
02:33 paul_p chris, agreed ! (and I learned some things today anyway, on PostgreSQL for example)
02:33 chris Because its scattered and old and mostly broken
02:34 slef scattered ack
02:34 chris At least my stuff is now broken
02:34 slef old mmm koha does not move as fast as sekjal's lovely ideas
02:35 paul_p slef : back to infinite_time ;-)
02:35 slef broken? not when I try stuff from old list posts, but YMMV
02:35 brendan unless we all git clone oourselves
02:35 nengard @later tell owen you might like this - it was talked about at the hackfest
02:35 munin nengard: The operation succeeded.
02:36 slef paul_p++
02:36 gmcharlt nengard: pretty sure he knows about it -
02:37 nengard of course he does!!!
02:37 nengard should have known
02:37 nengard @later tell owen i have been corrected - you already know about it :)
02:37 munin nengard: The operation succeeded.
02:37 slef maybe hackfest talk requirement should be "tell most everyone one new thing"
02:38 slef munin: tell owen I just felt left out not messaging you.
02:38 munin slef: Error: I haven't seen owen, I'll let you do the telling.
02:39 chris And he comes the author of xml::simple and a bunch of other modules we use
02:40 chris He=here
02:40 nengard munin is funny
02:40 munin nengard: Error: "is" is not a valid command.
02:40 slef most everyone is in the talks room, almost no collab hacking today
02:41 slef anyone want a sweetie?
02:41 laurenthd slef: do you want us to go somewhere ?
02:41 darling question for recent travellers -- should I haul my gigantic but useful 4core laptop w/me on my next north america visit (sunday) or my pocket sized but elegant email checker netbook with the 6hr battery life? I'll have lot's of bored time visiting relatives and loads of separate flights.
02:42 brendan wow giants blow it open 6-0 same inning
02:42 wizzyrea hmm. You have a smartphone that will work in the states?
02:42 chris Its all hacking all the time tomorrow
02:43 chris I'm conserving energy :)
02:43 darling wizzyrea,  -- if I can get a sim card, yeah
02:43 wizzyrea then I"d pack the big lappy, and use the phone for the little stuff.
02:43 slef laurenthd: is there stuff we could hack?
02:43 darling wizzyrea, good idea
02:43 darling sold
02:43 slef darling: triband+edge?
02:43 sekjal my apologies, all, but I've got to duck out of the room for a phone call
02:43 darling was kind of the answer I wanted
02:44 darling quad band I think
02:44 sekjal I really REALLY want to hear this one, so if everyone could take excellent notes....
02:44 chris Its beer soon, then tomorrow I want to hack on stuff with people
02:44 wizzyrea because it *is* nice to have your real computer with you
02:44 darling unless that's the same as tri+edge
02:44 brendan depends if you can charge the big-laptop on the planes though?
02:45 darling will use my kobo on the long flights
02:45 darling can
02:45 nengard i never had to charge my laptop - i didn't even kill the battery while on the plane
02:45 darling 't really think on airplanes anyway
02:45 darling wow
02:45 slef cool thing: usb-to-phone charger
02:45 darling my battery's good for about 2 hrs max
02:45 slef charge the laptop while it charges the phone
02:45 nengard darling i also didn't use it for more than 3 hours .... just fyi ... i can usually get close to 4 hours if i put the brightness down and just watch movies
02:46 darling i'll experiment w/that
02:46 darling slef, freaky
02:47 laurenthd slef: I have so many things to hack on ;) Do you have any preference ?
02:47 paul_p slef usb to phone is the rule in UE since last month (or something like that) = all cellphone must use usb standard. ecology++ & sustainable++
02:48 slef Ok, was I just distracted by phones while he explained why this isn't like mod_perl and having to rewrite koha?
02:48 slef paul_p: yeah, but only in size because real usb Amps is too low, no?
02:48 laurenthd we donot have to rewrite koha.
02:49 laurenthd​/cgi-bin/koha/ for instance
02:49 slef so that example is not the only way?
02:50 slef I have not easy web browsing from irc just now.
02:50 laurenthd or P[…]s/heads/wip_Plack
02:50 * slef tries to find that
02:52 brendan[…]s/heads/wip_Plack
02:53 brendan the p jumped on the front for me
02:54 laurenthd thx brendan
02:54 brendan :)
02:54 slef Plack::App::CGIBin
02:55 wizzyrea lol: it's DAMN fast
02:55 wizzyrea not just fast -- damn fast!
02:55 laurenthd I forgot to add edits.
02:56 laurenthd edits to apache config files.
02:58 slef laurenthd: descartes is in maint mode?
02:59 slef someone get bengard some glue to repair that desk?
02:59 brendan ha
02:59 nengard slef i agree! it's kind of annoying - but doesn't seem to bother him
03:00 paul_p slef, hdl fixing descartes setup ;-)
03:00 slef I'd've ripped it up and slung it by now, but that's just me :)
03:01 bengard I'm not sure glue would do the trick
03:01 wizzyrea i honestly can't believe how fast you are on that phone, slef. It's amazing.
03:01 bengard it's pretty well nozzed up
03:01 wizzyrea nozzed. Nice one.
03:02 wizzyrea that is to say, I'm impressed, I couldn't be that fast.
03:02 slef I need to connect the other keypad to the phone
03:03 bengard slef is raising his hand
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03:06 sekjal alright, all done for the night
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03:09 slef bbl
03:09 brendan later all
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03:10 mason hi ronald
03:10 ronald hi
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05:32 mib_x4elw how to authenticati in koha with active directory
05:32 mib_x4elw ??
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09:46 kmkale hi all
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12:11 kmkale hi chris_n
12:11 kmkale been here half a say and not a peep
12:13 Amit hi kmakale
12:13 Amit kmkale
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12:13 kmkale hi Amit
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12:48 wizzy_m Hello peeps
12:48 wizzy_m Can't sleep
12:49 gmcharlt howdy
12:49 gmcharlt spud keeping you up?
12:49 kmkale wizzy_m: :) too many sheeps or not enough in NZ?
12:50 wizzy_m Hehe, not the spud or the sheep
12:50 wizzy_m Not sure what
12:50 kmkale not enugh beer then.
12:51 wizzy_m Orman
12:51 wizzy_m Or too much lol
12:51 owen Hey wizzy_m
12:52 wizzy_m owen heya
12:59 jcamins_a Good morning.
13:00 wizzy_m hey jcamins
13:01 jcamins_a wizzy_m: sorry to hear you can't sleep.
13:01 jcamins_a is now known as jcamins
13:01 wizzy_m its OK: )
13:01 * chris_n thinks gmcharlt must be running a one-man hackfest ;-)
13:01 wizzy_m my son is giggling in his sleep
13:01 jcamins My cat spent several hours this morning flicking water in my face, so I can kind of relate (of course, in his defense, I really should hae been awake by then).
13:01 jcamins s/hae/have
13:02 braedon|h ... what was the water source?
13:03 jcamins The glass of water I keep by my bedside.
13:03 kmkale now that thje office is empty I can really work. Or chat ;)
13:03 braedon|h who can work when there is an internet to explore?
13:03 kmkale hehe
13:04 wizzy_m hope you kbow where those kitty feet have been
13:04 braedon|h or sleep, for that matter, in my case
13:04 owen braedon|h: Like this?
13:04 braedon|h o, those were the days
13:04 braedon|h arguing with idiots on IMDB
13:04 kmkale :)
13:05 * braedon|h spend nigh on 2 years in the Primer forums
13:05 owen :D
13:05 owen I considered doing that after finally(!) seeing Donnie Darko.
13:05 owen ...last week.
13:05 braedon|h hehe
13:06 braedon|h the problem with DD is that it doesn't actaully make sense
13:06 braedon|h it is rather mystical
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13:06 braedon|h and most of the director's explanation has little to no backing in the actual film
13:06 owen Yeah, I wondered if it made sense if I thought harder about it
13:07 braedon|h makes it very hard to actually make logical arguments
13:07 braedon|h Primer, on the other hand, makes perfect sense, on a number of different complexity levels
13:07 braedon|h quite a feet of storytelling
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13:07 braedon|h feat*
13:08 jcamins Ummm...
13:08 jcamins This is odd.
13:09 braedon|h more cat antics?
13:09 jcamins Shouldn't we be installing the DOM module for Zebra?
13:09 jcamins Ouch.
13:09 jcamins We're using a deprecated module for Zebra?
13:10 braedon|h hasn't DOM been replaced by something else by default?
13:10 braedon|h or something...
13:10 jcamins braedon|h: no, DOM is supposed to be the replacement, for authorities.
13:11 braedon|h o, really?
13:11 braedon|h my bad
13:11 jcamins Does the package install Zebra?
13:11 jcamins It must.
13:13 jcamins Okay, now I'm more confused.
13:15 jcamins @later tell brendan ByWater's website seems to be down.
13:15 munin jcamins: The operation succeeded.
13:16 wizzy_m ooo i thought it was the dns hee
13:17 wizzy_m here
13:17 jcamins Nope, looks like the database is down.
13:17 jcamins Or they've been slashdotted.
13:17 * jcamins goes to check if they were mentioned on slashdot
13:17 wizzy_m could be that
13:17 wizzy_m brb
13:18 wizzy_m ok back
13:19 wizzy_m well thats a bummer can u check the bywater hosted demo too plz?
13:19 owen Working
13:19 jcamins Demo's up.
13:19 wizzy_m cool.
13:52 wizzy_m ok going to give this sleeping thing a go. ttyl; )
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13:52 owen From this side of it the sleeping thing looks pretty good
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14:31 owen Hi rhcl
14:36 rhcl hey owen
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15:52 brendan sorry about that
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15:52 brendan bywater's website should be back up now.
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15:57 owen Hi dafydd
15:57 dafydd Hi owen
15:58 dafydd Just set up my own Koha install at home - it's good stuff
15:59 owen That's great--version 3.2?
15:59 dafydd I think it's 3.0
15:59 dafydd
15:59 dafydd Just two books so far
16:00 dafydd I'm going to get my CueCat working before I add more
16:02 dafydd BTW, are any of the SIP maintainers in here?
16:02 dafydd I was doing an integration a month ago or so and the line-endings for logins were LF instead of CR
16:02 owen Pretty much nobody is here right now :) Almost everyone is in New Zealand for KohaCon
16:03 owen dafydd: I would recommend upgrading if you can. We just released 3.2
16:04 owen But that's neither here nor there. I don't know anything about SIP
16:04 dafydd I'll probably do that tonight
16:04 dafydd I used Kyle Hall's VM, so I should be able to do that through the Admin Controls in root, right?
16:05 owen Hm, maybe you just want to wait until he releases the updated 3.2 VM and migrate your database
16:06 dafydd That'd be my first migration - that'll export my MARC records too, right?
16:06 owen Yes
16:06 brendan dafydd - do you have a director titled kohaclone - in your install
16:06 dafydd sweet :-)
16:06 brendan on the command line?
16:06 dafydd don't know - I'm at work right now
16:06 brendan sorry not director but directory
16:06 dafydd I didn't have time to port-forward SSH too :-P
16:06 brendan if you do - the VM and Koha may have been installed via git
16:07 brendan if so you should be able to update the install using git to pull the latest 3.2
16:07 dafydd Ah, so I can git update
16:07 brendan there are helpful instructions on the wiki -->
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17:15 brendan @wunder 93117
17:15 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 17.9�C (10:27 AM PDT on October 29, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1015.8 hPa (Rising).
17:15 brendan @wunder wellington nz
17:15 munin brendan: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0�C (6:00 AM NZDT on October 30, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Pressure: 30.74 in 1041 hPa (Steady).
17:23 owen-away is now known as owen
17:23 owen @wunder 45701
17:23 munin owen: The current temperature in Ohio University, Athens, Ohio is 9.4�C (1:30 PM EDT on October 29, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: -0.0�C. Windchill: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.17 in 1021.6 hPa (Falling).
17:23 brendan cold there owen
17:23 owen Yeah, after a week of really warm weather
17:24 brendan kind of quiet again today
17:24 brendan last night was pretty active during the hackfest
17:24 brendan hopefully today will be too
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17:51 brendan morning paul+p
17:51 brendan heh - paul_p
17:55 paul_p hi brendan
18:02 chris morning
18:04 owen Good morning New Zealand
18:04 brendan well good morning to the early-bird NZealanders
18:05 owen brendan you'll have to crack the whip at your sleepy employees
18:05 chris heh
18:06 brendan If I could they'd be awake
18:06 brendan heh
18:06 chris i have to get up early to go unlock the doors to let people in
18:07 paul_p heloo all
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18:24 chris_n hi chris, paul_p
18:24 chris_n and hdl
18:24 hdl chris_n:
18:24 hdl hi
18:25 paul_p just had 30mn skype with wife & boys. hdl now on skype with his wife & childrens too
18:25 chris_n skype++
18:25 paul_p wonderful internet that let you have sound + images + USD0 !!!
18:25 chris_n very nice, indeed
18:26 chris_n hard to imagine 200 yrs ago...
18:39 paul_p 200y ago ? not even 8y ago !!! (my 1st son, 15, always look at me strangely when I say 10y ago we had no broadband internet & no cell phone !!!)
18:45 slef skype--
18:45 slef linphone++
18:48 brendan slef is there not a software that you have another option for?
18:48 * brendan learns about new ones from you all the time
18:49 chris_n @wunder 28334
18:49 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 17.0�C (2:40 PM EDT on October 29, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 39%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Pressure: 30.13 in 1020 hPa (Falling).
18:50 slef brendan: I'm not good with video editing...
18:50 slef brendan: ...and I don't really word process.
18:50 brendan ah
18:51 brendan yeah I'm getting ready to make the switch from openoffice to libreoffice
18:53 slef bbl
19:00 chris On my way in now will be waiting to let ppl in, from about 30 mins
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19:28 cait good morning #koha
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19:34 brendan morning darling nengard
19:34 brendan :)
19:34 nengard morning brendan
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19:39 * chris_n thinks that people who ask for help on the list should not require the one helping to have to add themselves to the sender's "guest" list
19:39 chris_n *grumble*
19:41 chris_n chris: which search pref?
19:41 chris_n hey nengard, I've not forgotten you :)
19:41 * chris_n has been crazy busy
19:42 nengard i just sent those emails yesterday
19:42 nengard no rush
19:42 nengard well - not too much rush
19:42 chris_n hehe........ Nov 1 is, well, close
19:43 * chris_n will spend time tonight and get something off to you
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19:43 chris_n heya sekjal
19:43 * chris_n heads off to the next fire :-P
19:43 sekjal hey, chris_n!
19:47 brendan heya sekjal
19:47 sekjal morning, brendan!
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19:52 chris So who all are we waiting for?
19:52 * chris wonders if he can come upstairs
19:53 nengard chris_n i put that video up on flickr talking about koha in the amazon cloud
19:53 nengard if it helps any
19:54 nengard chris i think that might be it ....
19:54 chris Only ones I can think of are the solomons guys not sure if they were coming today
19:54 chris Ill wait 5 more mins
20:00 nengard gmcharlt around?
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20:00 gmcharlt nengard: what's up?
20:01 nengard cait saw that you removed the OrderPdfTemplate preference and she (and I) think that it's actually used ...
20:01 nengard (catching up on a lot of emails)
20:03 gmcharlt nengard: it is not (in 3.2); see bug 4188
20:03 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4188 blocker, P1, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED FIXED, Basketgroup print fails to generate a file
20:03 slef back
20:03 nengard cait is saying she showed it in training and it was working (not more than 3 weeks ago)
20:04 nengard if you changed the value in that preference it showed either 2 or 3 pages
20:04 nengard i too did this in trainig - this was of course in 3.2 beta - not 3.2 final
20:05 gmcharlt nengard: I'm pretty you can cait are thinking of OrderPdfFormat
20:05 cait oh
20:05 nengard oh! you are right!!!
20:05 nengard :)
20:05 cait I am sorry!
20:05 nengard thanks for correcting our fuzzy minds
20:06 slef fossy minds
20:06 gmcharlt just call me the lint-remover ;)
20:06 slef gmcharlt is now known as sticky tape
20:09 nengard hehe
20:09 nengard okay hacking about to begin!!
20:09 nengard what are you all on IRC working on for the hackfest?? :)
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20:22 brendan no patches yet?
20:23 paul_p brendan, just 636 waiting for QA ( ;-) )
20:24 brendan yeah
20:24 brendan err.. yay
20:25 slef I'm currently looking at Bob's Barcode Bamboozler
20:26 slef anyone know ALICE's barcode algorithm?
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20:35 cait who is ALICE?
20:35 robin-hom is now known as robin-
20:35 * robin- may be slightly late today :)
20:39 slef cait: a windows ILS
20:39 slef Just to clarify, jwagner has not said anything in the hack room today.
20:40 brendan ha
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21:10 cait I updated my public git repo! yay!
21:12 bengard I can haz koha?
21:12 bengard I haz koha!
21:15 cait lol
21:17 mason i p0wnez your KOHA
21:19 slef i can dansss
21:22 brendan @wunder 93117
21:23 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 19.8�C (2:33 PM PDT on October 29, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014.1 hPa (Falling).
21:25 cait @wunder wellington
21:25 munin cait: Error: No such location could be found.
21:25 cait @wunder Konstanz
21:25 munin cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 7.0�C (11:00 PM CEST on October 29, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Pressure: 29.84 in 1010 hPa (Falling).
21:26 slef heh just found an irc log from 2005 with kados saying he's not sure I ever did koha support. Nice.
21:28 brendan @seen kados
21:28 munin brendan: I have not seen kados.
21:28 * brendan assume it's like two years
21:36 robin- @wunder wellington, nz
21:36 munin robin-: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 11.0�C (10:00 AM NZDT on October 30, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Pressure: 30.74 in 1041 hPa (Falling).
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22:00 paul_p irmaB,[…]ntegrated_for_3.4
22:01 brendan paul_p there is nothing on that page
22:02 paul_p brendan, yep, working on filling it now ;-)
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22:02 brendan :)
22:10 * cait is a happy cait
22:10 sekjal if anyone has experience with the httpd.conf for GitWeb, I'd be happy for an assist.  I'm vexed
22:11 gmcharlt sekjal: go for it, what's your questin?
22:11 sekjal well, I'm not entirely sure what I'm doing wrong
22:11 sekjal I have a file
22:12 sekjal but when I enable it, all my sites on the server fail
22:12 sekjal disable, and they come back
22:12 sekjal not up?
22:12 pastebot "gmcharlt" at pasted "site conf for a gitweb" (16 lines) at
22:13 gmcharlt sekjal:
22:13 sekjal ah
22:13 sekjal thanks
22:13 gmcharlt the last RedirectMatch likely isn't relevant
22:14 sekjal thanks, that's the same model I've got... looking for differences....
22:20 sekjal I think I've just done the install wrong...
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22:43 * gmcharlt is going out in search of food
22:44 gmcharlt nengard: your patch for 5326 could be even moar better and go directly to the pref
22:44 gmcharlt see http://lists.koha-community.or[…]tober/012753.html
22:46 nengard gmcharlt - i wsn't sure how to make it more better :) will read the link
22:46 cait irmaB: can you try so send the mail again?
22:46 nengard gmcharlt i will fix! thanks for the tip
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22:52 nengard gmcharlt resubmitted with a typo in the title ;)
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22:54 chris_n2 chris: I'm not sure I understand the use of a syspref which requires the user to add an asterisk to the end of a query
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23:22 brendan_l seems to be lunch time for hackfest
23:24 chris_n2 hey brendan_l
23:24 brendan_l heya chris_n2
23:24 brendan_l happy friday eve to you
23:25 brendan_l your kids have there costumes ready for hallowween
23:25 brendan_l s/there/their
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23:30 slef yes lunch at hackfest
23:31 slef we're in hell
23:41 slef
23:42 slef it says over the bar
23:53 slef fruit pizza

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