Time Nick Message 00:22 slef and we're back 00:22 brendan yay! 00:23 slef http://debian.koha-community.org being demo'd 00:23 sekjal it's awesome. can't wait to play 00:23 brendan ah cool I've mucked with it a little bit 00:24 brendan seems pretty awesome 00:25 wizzyrea it's pretty epic 00:27 sekjal so, now that we have a .deb package, time to revisit TurnKey Linux? 00:27 wizzyrea rather looks that way doesn't it 00:28 slef sekjal: whassat? 00:28 wizzyrea http://www.turnkeylinux.org/ 00:28 sekjal we can create a fully functional Koha appliance 00:28 sekjal download, and run on VM or burn to disc and load on a machine 00:30 slef why not just build a livecd with the debs? 00:30 slef why run it on amazon's saas? 00:30 wizzyrea it doesn't have to be run on amazon 00:30 wizzyrea it can be downloaded to a CD iirc 00:30 wizzyrea maybe not anymroe 00:30 wizzyrea more* 00:32 slef it looks a bit risky, given that libs seem freedom-ignorant sometimes, but support needs freedom to be sustainable 00:32 slef also a 2008 ubuntu? 00:33 wizzyrea the original time we visited it was probably in 2008, afaik nobody's looked at it since then 00:33 wizzyrea at least I haven't 00:34 slef me neither... not sure how we'd resource this... might it become stale like win32? 00:34 wizzyrea depends on whether the packages stay up to date I guess 00:38 slef they won't stay up to date by themselves... it needs to be resourced and maybe automated 00:38 wizzyrea yep, catalyst has the charge on that atm I think 00:39 slef yeah but someone needs to make/maintain/test the turnkey thing? 00:39 wizzyrea oh oh yes 00:39 wizzyrea sorry I misunderstood 00:40 slef np 00:43 wizzyrea 00:43 wizzyrea oops 00:46 slef Prof. Prasad, DRTC, Bangalore has created a LiveCD with Koha-3.02.00 & 00:46 slef DSpace-1.6.2 integrated with Ubuntu 10.4.1 LTS version. This LiveCD was 00:46 slef distributed to all the participants. This LiveCD will be uploaded to 00:46 slef Sourceforge soon. 00:46 slef from the dbj college workshop report 00:47 slef someone with a decent keyb want to reply poitively to that 00:48 slef ? 00:52 sekjal is this on the list? 00:53 wizzyrea blast missed owen again 00:53 laurenthd slef: cant see that email you point 00:58 slef sekjal: yeah, main list I think... 1mo 00:59 slef Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 14:58:15 +0530 00:59 slef From: Sunita Barve <sunitabarve@gmail.com> 00:59 slef To: koha@lists.katipo.co.nz 01:25 sekjal I'm up after Donovan. Anyone willing to blog me? 01:25 sekjal It's going to be a much less techie talk than previous. 01:25 sekjal hopefully that'll be alright 01:26 slef so is this guy not liking our current style guidelines? 01:27 slef hrm, apparently not 01:28 wizzyrea oh, I don't think he's saying that, just wanting us to not wipe the history 01:28 wizzyrea understandable 01:28 slef the CG wiki page is only partial... rest is on kohadocs 01:29 wizzyrea should probably be moved/rewritten 01:29 nengard sekjal i'll do it of course 01:29 slef maybe, yes 01:29 slef cmon sekjal give us an uplifting talk! 01:30 sekjal I think Donovan just wants us to have a more rigourous set of rules... or at least think about whether we want to 01:31 slef I feel a bit like I've had 2 talks saying we're doing stuff wrong or should be running neater code in the cloud 01:31 sekjal thanks, nengard! 01:31 slef we have thought about whether we want to 01:31 sekjal hopefully my talk won't be complete fluff 01:32 nengard i might have to come take your seat to blog effectively 01:32 slef stumbling block is making it easy for people 01:32 wizzyrea bug 2505 01:32 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2505 major, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, enable Perl warnings in all modules and scripts 01:32 sekjal I'm going to stay seated, since I've got such an optimal spot 01:32 slef why is that NEW not ASSI? 01:32 wizzyrea no clue 01:33 nengard anyone know how to delete a subset of urls from your firefox browser history-i don't want to wipe it all, just urls that are no longer valid -- aka koha.org 01:33 gmcharlt because while I am certainly doing some work on that bug (see my bug2505), I assuredly hope that I'm not the only one working on it 01:33 laurenthd slef: it has been there for a while. 01:33 gmcharlt gcollum has done rather a lot with that, of course 01:33 nengard yeah that's a problem with bugzilla 01:33 laurenthd slef: it can be nearly closed. 01:34 gmcharlt laurenthd: that's a little optimistic - work on that bug is at most 50% done 01:34 nengard slef++ 01:34 nengard koha.org gone from history 01:34 nengard no more clicking the wrong link 01:35 laurenthd first time ever someone tells me i am optimistic 01:35 laurenthd ;) 01:35 wizzyrea lol 01:35 magnus hehe 01:35 slef mmm, I thought last time I tried to enforce a rule (sql placeholders), laurenthd flamed me, but maybe I misremember 01:36 slef oh goody an OReilly advert 01:36 * slef would shoot most of the animal books if he could 01:37 wizzyrea ooo 01:37 wizzyrea are you feeling a bit stabby, slef? 01:37 slef you know the crack in time in Dr Who? that erases stuff from history? 01:37 slef tip ORA in it 01:38 magnus my office shelf would be rather empty, then... 01:38 magnus as well as my head ;-) 01:38 gmcharlt laurenthd: but certainly we can make a good bit of progress for 3.4, if not close it outright 01:38 slef magnus: yeah, they dominate perl in particular 01:39 magnus yep 01:39 slef it's bad for perl, being dominated by one gatekeeper 01:41 brendan sekjal++ #for a good presentation coming :) 01:41 cait sekjal: what is your presentation about? 01:42 sekjal Possible directions for Koha 4.0 01:42 slef It's not like we need more tools to whinge at us. We need more tools to help us fix stuff. 01:42 magnus slef++ 01:43 laurenthd gmcharlt: I agree. 01:44 laurenthd slef: which patch ? 01:44 slef I'm seriously temopted to go off and butcher the wiki to remove stuff, but I want to hear sekjal's forward-looking talk. 01:45 slef laurenthd: something back in 2.x 01:45 nengard sekjal has a ton of awesome ideas 01:45 cait sekjal: cool! 01:45 nengard sometimes we have reign him back into the present :) 01:45 laurenthd butcher the wiki ? 01:46 slef like debating patron/member/borrower 01:46 magnus just don't butcher any kiwis! ;-) 01:46 slef I'm pretty sure we decided to use ODLIS terms by default a while ago? 01:47 slef maybe that decision was lost in the wiki move 01:47 gmcharlt slef: yes, I believe so 01:47 laurenthd The problem is that when you look at the code, it still has scars of old times. 01:47 slef so why debate it again? round and round and round 01:49 jcamins_a I am not sure if it's because I'm tired or because y'all are also talking, but I cannot follow this conversation at all. 01:49 slef jcamins_a: a load of questions ave been added to the end of the wiki coding guidelines page 01:50 chris They've been there for a year or so 01:50 chris Well before the move at least 01:50 slef chris: anyone mention them on-list or in-meeting? 01:51 chris Not sure 01:51 chris It was a long time ago, I think biblibre started 01:51 slef I struggle to read list mail comprehensively, let alone RecentChanges 01:51 wizzyrea jwagner is going to try and point out that a bunch of these are already out via harley 01:51 wizzyrea newsflash: half of them don't work 01:52 brendan heh 01:52 slef wizzyrea: shall I heckle? ;-) 01:52 chris Why stop now ? 01:52 jcamins_a A bunch of what? 01:52 jcamins_a I should just wait for nengard's excellent blog post, shouldn't I? 01:53 slef jcamins_a: a bunch of sekjal's suggested featuress 01:53 * cait waves to jcamins 01:53 slef sekjal is speaking in the room 01:53 wizzyrea lol 01:54 jcamins_a Ah. 01:54 * jcamins_a waves to cait 01:54 cait :) 01:54 nengard jcamins_a writing now - i yelled at brendan for interrupting me 01:54 brendan I'm good at interrupting ;) 01:54 slef "rebuilding holds: primary key, multiple holds per title, suspension and netflix-style queue, cost matric for hold fulfilment by transfer from branches, bi-directional linked list v numeric queue" 01:55 jcamins_a nengard++ # because without nengard, us poor sleepy USians wouldn't have a clue what was going on 01:55 slef shall I continue typing in the slides? 01:55 nengard also sekjal did some posts this AM too - see twitter 01:55 slef or I could try streaming it to bambuser.com if you want it 01:55 jcamins_a No, I should probably go to sleep anyway. 01:56 jcamins_a But kohacon is just so interesting. 01:56 jcamins_a nengard: I'm reading those posts now. 01:56 slef "rebuilding notices: make all printed slips use templates, priority order for notifications, on-demand messages, librarians can decide which notice types are mandatory and 01:57 slef which are user-configurable, better sms/im support" 01:57 * slef boogies around sekjal's happy feature list 01:58 cait I will write the next 01:59 jcamins_a Koha 4.0 is going to be awesome! :D 01:59 laurenthd http://github.com/xercode/koha 01:59 wizzyrea i think having a message template for sms would be epic 01:59 cait two tabels: accoutns and accountlines, atomic transactions, syspref for grouping transactions by item or type, pay partially on multiple charges, multi-currency (real time exchange rates) 01:59 laurenthd maybe we could try that C4::Mailer 01:59 slef "rebuilding accounts: accounts and accountlines, atomic transactions, syspref for grouping transactions by itemor by type, pay partially on multiple charges, multi-currency with real-time exchange rates" 01:59 laurenthd could help. 01:59 slef oops 02:00 slef I was wrtie-only 02:00 slef write-only 02:00 cait I think it would be neat, if you could choose for notices if you want to send them by email or print them (overdues especially) 02:00 cait ah sorry slef, thought we could take turns :) 02:00 wizzyrea again, ptfs says they do that 02:01 slef only improvement sekjal could make is to have cool animatuions (explode accounts into two tables) instwad of ppt bullets 02:01 slef cait: you next? 02:01 slef sorry for not reading 02:02 cait yep· can do it :) 02:02 cait I was not clear about it 02:02 slef tyvm 02:03 cait keep only core library data in borrowers table 02:03 cait rest of data user configurable like Extended attributes 02:03 cait hierarchical borrower types 02:03 cait borrower preferences 02:04 cait roles to bundle default preferences and permissions 02:04 slef (slide title is rebuilding borrowers) 02:04 cait <end of slide> 02:04 magnus could someone please help sekjal with his "infinite time" project? ;-) 02:05 wizzyrea lol 02:05 chris wizzyrea: patch or it didn't happen is the answer to that 02:05 brendan infinite_time++ 02:05 cait infinite_time++ 02:05 jcamins_a infinite_time++ 02:05 magnus infinite_time++ 02:05 paul_p 1000mn per hour would be a good start (infinite_time being probably unreachable ;-) ) 02:06 * cait wants more time to learn to program these things! 02:06 gmcharlt magnus: I'll help if I can get somebody to help with cloning ;) 02:06 laurenthd shared_coding++ 02:06 jcamins_a Better: while (infinite_time++); 02:06 laurenthd little_steps++ 02:06 cait slef: you or me? 02:06 wizzyrea let me rephrase: PTFS would say that those features exist but we haven't pulled them 02:06 wizzyrea How's that. 02:06 chris Patch or it didn't happen 02:07 gmcharlt Patch against master or it didn't happen 02:07 cait "Crossing Borrowers/Authorities: Optional connection of borrower to their authority record, optionally allow borrower... too fast. 02:07 chris Ziggactly 02:07 * bfleming just noticed 3.2.0 was released 02:08 laurenthd Venrods and vendor contacts into borrowers 02:08 laurenthd Merge accounts and acq as single money system 02:08 cait "Crossing Borrowers/Acq: vendors and vendor contracts into borrowers, merge accounts and acq as single money system, allow borrowers to fllow suggestions through acq process (auto-hold)" 02:08 slef sorry, was distracted by message 02:08 laurenthd allow borrowers to floow suggestions 02:08 * brendan is hearing good things 02:08 cait "Crossing Serials/Acq: manage subscriptions/renewals in acq module, EDI/ONIX support" 02:09 brendan s/hearing/reading 02:09 cait "crossing serials/cataloging: MARC format for holdings data support (UNIMARC equiv?), import, export, search, bindery" 02:10 laurenthd http://www.ifla.org/VI/8/projects/UNIMARC-HoldingsFormat.pdf 02:10 cait "Hourly circ/course reserves: base period of minute, connect to calendar and notices, course reserves: a list materials pulled out (temporarily) for special purpose, electronic reserve" 02:11 slef brendan: I'd hope sekjal isn't announcing unknown-to-bywater stuff! 02:11 brendan gotta pipe in here -- go giants 2-0 bottom of nine 02:11 wizzyrea hourly loans -- something else that we have but don't have. 02:11 slef brendan: v? 02:11 brendan nope - just need to find the time of course 02:11 wizzyrea I'm just sighing about it. Such a waste. 02:12 brendan texas rangers 02:12 slef yeah, go giants 02:12 cait "ERM: new concept: "package" (from ERMI), import holdings from data source, built-in open link resolver, SUSHI statistics, handle usage limitations and access restrictions" 02:12 brendan slef++ 02:12 wizzyrea here's your analytics jcamins ;) 02:12 slef there are envelopes and bottles changing hands here 02:13 brendan beer++ 02:13 slef oh is that why? 02:13 cait "Biblio relationships: beyond analytics, user-configurable relationships between biblios, options item "pass-through", optional MARC representation, could cover FRBR, similar items and more 02:13 cait " 02:13 chris Yup 02:13 chris Russ is off to buy some more beer 02:14 wizzyrea woot! beer++ 02:14 jcamins_a Woohoo! analytics++ 02:14 slef I thought it might be red diesel scamming 02:14 jcamins_a Wait, no. 02:14 jcamins_a analytics-- 02:14 cait juice? 02:14 jcamins_a analytic_support++ 02:14 cait "Arbitrary metadata schemas: ..." 02:15 slef Yeah, sekjal is accelerating to finish in time now 02:15 jcamins_a Analytics are the bane of my existence (Durin had the balrog, I have analytics), but support would be nice. 02:15 jcamins_a When's "in time"? 02:15 slef xx30 02:15 cait "Widgetized staff client: for each module's home page define blocks of screen real estate, have a directory of widgets (easy to add more), allow staff to drag/drop widgets per module onto page, saved as part of their preferences" 02:15 jcamins_a Ooh! 02:15 jcamins_a I like that! 02:15 cait yeah, we really nead cloning and infinite time 02:16 cait "Enhanced circ prefs: like circ rules, but for more things, use key/value table; combo of branch/itype/categorycode gives value 02:16 slef we need speakers to get N mins free, then X mins extra if a majority approve 02:16 cait default values specified like sysprefs, tool to show applicable rules for combo of inputs" 02:16 slef ;-) 02:17 laurenthd already done 02:17 * slef would be gone after N mins, every time 02:17 jcamins_a Okay, much as I want to stay, I should go to sleep. 02:17 jcamins_a Good night, #koha 02:17 brendan night 02:17 laurenthd night 02:17 cait "Mobile interfaces: both OPAC and staff client, optimize for various smart devicces, connect to camera..." 02:18 slef bye jcamins_a 02:18 brendan mobile_interfaces before 4.0 02:18 brendan imo 02:19 cait "little ideas: recalls: all current issues with hols on them + button to send message, ILL: like suggestions to user, but managed in different backend, more barcode encodings, multiple LDAPs/Shibboleth support, cron scheduling interface in staff client, OCLC connexion gateway" 02:19 slef bug 1993 02:19 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1993 enhancement, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Task Scheduler Needs Re-write 02:19 cait can I stop now that jcamins is gone? 02:19 laurenthd slef: not new ;) 02:19 slef cait: yes, sekjal and nengard will post 02:19 cait hmpf :) 02:20 slef let's hackle donovan 02:20 nengard almost posted 02:20 slef damn, irc unplugged 02:20 sekjal oh, wow, that's a lot of IRC to catch up on 02:20 nengard http://www.web2learning.net/archives/4299 02:21 slef sekjal: we're too happy 02:21 slef not sure whether to stay here now 02:21 brendan good job sekjal - that's the most active IRC session 02:21 brendan thanks all for posting your thoughts :) 02:21 sekjal :) 02:22 sekjal back to blogging.... 02:22 slef we suck for cgi being the default still 02:22 chris Yeah we need to fix that 02:22 slef and for leaving people to configure apache 02:23 slef no, we need to be clean for persistance (=enable performance) but not force it. 02:24 slef Why's it so hot in the hacklab? 02:24 wizzyrea it's not warmish over here 02:24 * slef moves 02:25 slef robin-: no breaking my tunnel, man 02:25 nengard slef behind me - got to make sure i don't type about him 02:25 nengard :) 02:26 wizzyrea you might get less than a metaphorical slap with a trout 02:26 wizzyrea er more than 02:26 slef nengard: is that why you're sat right up blocking the screen? 02:26 wizzyrea crikey 02:26 nengard LOL 02:26 nengard didn't realize i did it 02:26 robin- slef: doesn't support SSL :( 02:26 paul_p well... isn't our main perf limit caused by being in CGI mode ? 02:27 nengard slef - bengard might need your expertice :) 02:27 nengard did i spell that right? 02:27 slef mmm, here we go... cgi is default, so we must know stuff all about performance 02:27 laurenthd paul_p: not only 02:27 robin- paul_p: the start/ shutdown overhead from chi 02:28 robin- Err 02:28 chris Did you bail home darling? 02:28 darling did I miss anything? 02:28 slef paul_p: only if you're running it in cgi mode still 02:28 robin- CGI is a real issue 02:28 wizzyrea you missed sekjal's epic "dreams for koha" talk 02:28 darling chris, yeah, house org to prevent jj from killing me before we head off 02:28 paul_p slef, are you not anymore ? 02:28 darling dreams! 02:28 darling i want 02:28 wizzyrea (features we would like for koha, crazy ideas, etc) 02:28 * darling will be around tomorrow tho 02:29 slef robin-: ssl: yeah, well, it's not a real proxy, so no ssl cert 02:29 darling ah -- I still need to catch up w/current koha 02:29 nengard is owen here? he might like http://developer.yahoo.com/yslow/ - he loves firebug 02:29 darling is pretty dreamy already 02:29 darling yslow's cool 02:29 slef robin-: you have ssh+socks to something outside, I'm sure 02:30 wizzyrea @quote add <darling> I still need to catch up with current Koha. Is pretty dreamy already. 02:30 munin wizzyrea: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 02:30 wizzyrea noooo 02:30 robin- slef: can't be bothered setting it up on my phone:) 02:30 chris slef: don't take it so personally this first day is more for the newer developers 02:30 gmcharlt @quote add <darling> I still need to catch up with current Koha. Is pretty dreamy already. 02:30 munin gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. Quote #101 added. 02:30 darling ! 02:30 wizzyrea there you go 02:30 wizzyrea maybe I didn't read that right lol 02:31 gmcharlt @quote get 100 02:31 munin gmcharlt: Quote #100: "chris: well, one of them is overhauling the whole templating system jcamins: Koha's other swiss army chainsaw" (added by wizzyrea at 03:41 PM, October 11, 2010) 02:31 wizzyrea that was a funny day 02:31 laurenthd NYTProf as perl profiler 02:31 wizzyrea @quote get 23 02:31 munin wizzyrea: Quote #23: "<gmcharlt> /msg munin register nick password" (added by wizzyrea_ at 12:25 PM, August 06, 2009) 02:31 slef paul_p: I think we have fcgi or speedy in places, but koha needs more cleaning to use more 02:31 * laurenthd nods 02:31 paul_p chris, agreed, /me really hoping tomorrow & sunday will be more decision oriented days ! 02:31 paul_p slef, agreed ! 02:32 jwagner To clarify wizzyrea's comments beginning at http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/2010-10-29#i_528527 -- I actually made no comments at all during sekjal's presentation. 02:32 chris It will be, but ppl came from solomons and pakistan for this, nice to have stuff for them too 02:33 jwagner Considering how many people in the room know that,I'm disappointed that no one pointed that out. 02:33 slef chris: why don't ppl look at the work already done? => less time repeating our work, more time to try helpful stuff 02:33 jwagner I thought sekjal had a lot of good ideas. We've done some work in some of those areas, but certainly a lot more could be done. 02:33 paul_p chris, agreed ! (and I learned some things today anyway, on PostgreSQL for example) 02:33 chris Because its scattered and old and mostly broken 02:34 slef scattered ack 02:34 chris At least my stuff is now broken 02:34 slef old mmm koha does not move as fast as sekjal's lovely ideas 02:35 paul_p slef : back to infinite_time ;-) 02:35 slef broken? not when I try stuff from old list posts, but YMMV 02:35 brendan unless we all git clone oourselves 02:35 nengard @later tell owen you might like this - it was talked about at the hackfest http://developer.yahoo.com/yslow/ 02:35 munin nengard: The operation succeeded. 02:36 slef paul_p++ 02:36 gmcharlt nengard: pretty sure he knows about it - http://www.myacpl.org/koha/?p=463#comment-363 02:37 nengard of course he does!!! 02:37 nengard should have known 02:37 nengard @later tell owen i have been corrected - you already know about it :) 02:37 munin nengard: The operation succeeded. 02:37 slef maybe hackfest talk requirement should be "tell most everyone one new thing" 02:38 slef munin: tell owen I just felt left out not messaging you. 02:38 munin slef: Error: I haven't seen owen, I'll let you do the telling. 02:39 chris And he comes the author of xml::simple and a bunch of other modules we use 02:40 chris He=here 02:40 nengard munin is funny 02:40 munin nengard: Error: "is" is not a valid command. 02:40 slef most everyone is in the talks room, almost no collab hacking today 02:41 slef anyone want a sweetie? 02:41 laurenthd slef: do you want us to go somewhere ? 02:41 darling question for recent travellers -- should I haul my gigantic but useful 4core laptop w/me on my next north america visit (sunday) or my pocket sized but elegant email checker netbook with the 6hr battery life? I'll have lot's of bored time visiting relatives and loads of separate flights. 02:42 brendan wow giants blow it open 6-0 same inning 02:42 wizzyrea hmm. You have a smartphone that will work in the states? 02:42 chris Its all hacking all the time tomorrow 02:43 chris I'm conserving energy :) 02:43 darling wizzyrea, -- if I can get a sim card, yeah 02:43 wizzyrea then I"d pack the big lappy, and use the phone for the little stuff. 02:43 slef laurenthd: is there stuff we could hack? 02:43 darling wizzyrea, good idea 02:43 darling sold 02:43 slef darling: triband+edge? 02:43 sekjal my apologies, all, but I've got to duck out of the room for a phone call 02:43 darling was kind of the answer I wanted 02:44 darling quad band I think 02:44 sekjal I really REALLY want to hear this one, so if everyone could take excellent notes.... 02:44 chris Its beer soon, then tomorrow I want to hack on stuff with people 02:44 wizzyrea because it *is* nice to have your real computer with you 02:44 darling unless that's the same as tri+edge 02:44 brendan depends if you can charge the big-laptop on the planes though? 02:45 darling will use my kobo on the long flights 02:45 darling can 02:45 nengard i never had to charge my laptop - i didn't even kill the battery while on the plane 02:45 darling 't really think on airplanes anyway 02:45 darling wow 02:45 slef cool thing: usb-to-phone charger 02:45 darling my battery's good for about 2 hrs max 02:45 slef charge the laptop while it charges the phone 02:45 nengard darling i also didn't use it for more than 3 hours .... just fyi ... i can usually get close to 4 hours if i put the brightness down and just watch movies 02:46 darling i'll experiment w/that 02:46 darling slef, freaky 02:47 laurenthd slef: I have so many things to hack on ;) Do you have any preference ? 02:47 paul_p slef usb to phone is the rule in UE since last month (or something like that) = all cellphone must use usb standard. ecology++ & sustainable++ 02:48 slef Ok, was I just distracted by phones while he explained why this isn't like mod_perl and having to rewrite koha? 02:48 slef paul_p: yeah, but only in size because real usb Amps is too low, no? 02:48 laurenthd we donot have to rewrite koha. 02:49 laurenthd descartes.biblibre.com:5000/cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl for instance 02:49 slef so that example is not the only way? 02:50 slef I have not easy web browsing from irc just now. 02:50 laurenthd or Phttp://git.biblibre.com/?p=koha;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/wip_Plack 02:50 * slef tries to find that 02:52 brendan http://git.biblibre.com/?p=koha;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/wip_Plack 02:53 brendan the p jumped on the front for me 02:54 laurenthd thx brendan 02:54 brendan :) 02:54 slef Plack::App::CGIBin 02:55 wizzyrea lol: it's DAMN fast 02:55 wizzyrea not just fast -- damn fast! 02:55 laurenthd I forgot to add edits. 02:56 laurenthd edits to apache config files. 02:58 slef laurenthd: descartes is in maint mode? 02:59 slef someone get bengard some glue to repair that desk? 02:59 brendan ha 02:59 nengard slef i agree! it's kind of annoying - but doesn't seem to bother him 03:00 paul_p slef, hdl fixing descartes setup ;-) 03:00 slef I'd've ripped it up and slung it by now, but that's just me :) 03:01 bengard I'm not sure glue would do the trick 03:01 wizzyrea i honestly can't believe how fast you are on that phone, slef. It's amazing. 03:01 bengard it's pretty well nozzed up 03:01 wizzyrea nozzed. Nice one. 03:02 wizzyrea that is to say, I'm impressed, I couldn't be that fast. 03:02 slef I need to connect the other keypad to the phone 03:03 bengard slef is raising his hand 03:06 sekjal alright, all done for the night 03:09 slef bbl 03:09 brendan later all 03:10 mason hi ronald 03:10 ronald hi 05:32 mib_x4elw how to authenticati in koha with active directory 05:32 mib_x4elw ?? 07:37 ivanc hi #koha 09:46 kmkale hi all 12:11 kmkale hi chris_n 12:11 kmkale been here half a say and not a peep 12:13 Amit hi kmakale 12:13 Amit kmkale 12:13 kmkale hi Amit 12:48 wizzy_m Hello peeps 12:48 wizzy_m Can't sleep 12:49 gmcharlt howdy 12:49 gmcharlt spud keeping you up? 12:49 kmkale wizzy_m: :) too many sheeps or not enough in NZ? 12:50 wizzy_m Hehe, not the spud or the sheep 12:50 wizzy_m Not sure what 12:50 kmkale not enugh beer then. 12:51 wizzy_m Orman 12:51 wizzy_m Or too much lol 12:51 owen Hey wizzy_m 12:52 wizzy_m owen heya 12:59 jcamins_a Good morning. 13:00 wizzy_m hey jcamins 13:01 jcamins_a wizzy_m: sorry to hear you can't sleep. 13:01 wizzy_m its OK: ) 13:01 * chris_n thinks gmcharlt must be running a one-man hackfest ;-) 13:01 wizzy_m my son is giggling in his sleep 13:01 jcamins My cat spent several hours this morning flicking water in my face, so I can kind of relate (of course, in his defense, I really should hae been awake by then). 13:01 jcamins s/hae/have 13:02 braedon|h ... what was the water source? 13:03 jcamins The glass of water I keep by my bedside. 13:03 kmkale now that thje office is empty I can really work. Or chat ;) 13:03 braedon|h who can work when there is an internet to explore? 13:03 kmkale hehe 13:04 wizzy_m hope you kbow where those kitty feet have been 13:04 braedon|h or sleep, for that matter, in my case 13:04 owen braedon|h: Like this? http://xkcd.com/386/ 13:04 braedon|h o, those were the days 13:04 braedon|h arguing with idiots on IMDB 13:04 kmkale :) 13:05 * braedon|h spend nigh on 2 years in the Primer forums 13:05 owen :D 13:05 owen I considered doing that after finally(!) seeing Donnie Darko. 13:05 owen ...last week. 13:05 braedon|h hehe 13:06 braedon|h the problem with DD is that it doesn't actaully make sense 13:06 braedon|h it is rather mystical 13:06 braedon|h and most of the director's explanation has little to no backing in the actual film 13:06 owen Yeah, I wondered if it made sense if I thought harder about it 13:07 braedon|h makes it very hard to actually make logical arguments 13:07 braedon|h Primer, on the other hand, makes perfect sense, on a number of different complexity levels 13:07 braedon|h quite a feet of storytelling 13:07 braedon|h feat* 13:08 jcamins Ummm... 13:08 jcamins This is odd. 13:09 braedon|h more cat antics? 13:09 jcamins Shouldn't we be installing the DOM module for Zebra? 13:09 jcamins Ouch. 13:09 jcamins We're using a deprecated module for Zebra? 13:10 braedon|h hasn't DOM been replaced by something else by default? 13:10 braedon|h or something... 13:10 jcamins braedon|h: no, DOM is supposed to be the replacement, for authorities. 13:11 braedon|h o, really? 13:11 braedon|h my bad 13:11 jcamins Does the package install Zebra? 13:11 jcamins It must. 13:13 jcamins Okay, now I'm more confused. 13:15 jcamins @later tell brendan ByWater's website seems to be down. 13:15 munin jcamins: The operation succeeded. 13:16 wizzy_m ooo i thought it was the dns hee 13:17 wizzy_m here 13:17 jcamins Nope, looks like the database is down. 13:17 jcamins Or they've been slashdotted. 13:17 * jcamins goes to check if they were mentioned on slashdot 13:17 wizzy_m could be that 13:17 wizzy_m brb 13:18 wizzy_m ok back 13:19 wizzy_m well thats a bummer can u check the bywater hosted demo too plz? 13:19 owen Working 13:19 jcamins Demo's up. 13:19 wizzy_m cool. 13:52 wizzy_m ok going to give this sleeping thing a go. ttyl; ) 13:52 owen From this side of it the sleeping thing looks pretty good 14:31 owen Hi rhcl 14:36 rhcl hey owen 15:52 brendan sorry about that 15:52 brendan bywater's website should be back up now. 15:57 owen Hi dafydd 15:57 dafydd Hi owen 15:58 dafydd Just set up my own Koha install at home - it's good stuff 15:59 owen That's great--version 3.2? 15:59 dafydd I think it's 3.0 15:59 dafydd 68.144.45.146 15:59 dafydd Just two books so far 16:00 dafydd I'm going to get my CueCat working before I add more 16:02 dafydd BTW, are any of the SIP maintainers in here? 16:02 dafydd I was doing an integration a month ago or so and the line-endings for logins were LF instead of CR 16:02 owen Pretty much nobody is here right now :) Almost everyone is in New Zealand for KohaCon 16:03 owen dafydd: I would recommend upgrading if you can. We just released 3.2 16:04 owen But that's neither here nor there. I don't know anything about SIP 16:04 dafydd I'll probably do that tonight 16:04 dafydd I used Kyle Hall's VM, so I should be able to do that through the Admin Controls in root, right? 16:05 owen Hm, maybe you just want to wait until he releases the updated 3.2 VM and migrate your database 16:06 dafydd That'd be my first migration - that'll export my MARC records too, right? 16:06 owen Yes 16:06 brendan dafydd - do you have a director titled kohaclone - in your install 16:06 dafydd sweet :-) 16:06 brendan on the command line? 16:06 dafydd don't know - I'm at work right now 16:06 brendan sorry not director but directory 16:06 dafydd I didn't have time to port-forward SSH too :-P 16:06 brendan if you do - the VM and Koha may have been installed via git 16:07 brendan if so you should be able to update the install using git to pull the latest 3.2 16:07 dafydd Ah, so I can git update 16:07 brendan there are helpful instructions on the wiki --> http://wiki.koha-community.org 17:15 brendan @wunder 93117 17:15 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 17.9�C (10:27 AM PDT on October 29, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1015.8 hPa (Rising). 17:15 brendan @wunder wellington nz 17:15 munin brendan: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0�C (6:00 AM NZDT on October 30, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Pressure: 30.74 in 1041 hPa (Steady). 17:23 owen @wunder 45701 17:23 munin owen: The current temperature in Ohio University, Athens, Ohio is 9.4�C (1:30 PM EDT on October 29, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: -0.0�C. Windchill: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.17 in 1021.6 hPa (Falling). 17:23 brendan cold there owen 17:23 owen Yeah, after a week of really warm weather 17:24 brendan kind of quiet again today 17:24 brendan last night was pretty active during the hackfest 17:24 brendan hopefully today will be too 17:51 brendan morning paul+p 17:51 brendan heh - paul_p 17:55 paul_p hi brendan 18:02 chris morning 18:04 owen Good morning New Zealand 18:04 brendan well good morning to the early-bird NZealanders 18:05 owen brendan you'll have to crack the whip at your sleepy employees 18:05 chris heh 18:06 brendan If I could they'd be awake 18:06 brendan heh 18:06 chris i have to get up early to go unlock the doors to let people in 18:07 paul_p heloo all 18:24 chris_n hi chris, paul_p 18:24 chris_n and hdl 18:24 hdl chris_n: 18:24 hdl hi 18:25 paul_p just had 30mn skype with wife & boys. hdl now on skype with his wife & childrens too 18:25 chris_n skype++ 18:25 paul_p wonderful internet that let you have sound + images + USD0 !!! 18:25 chris_n very nice, indeed 18:26 chris_n hard to imagine 200 yrs ago... 18:39 paul_p 200y ago ? not even 8y ago !!! (my 1st son, 15, always look at me strangely when I say 10y ago we had no broadband internet & no cell phone !!!) 18:45 slef skype-- 18:45 slef linphone++ 18:48 brendan slef is there not a software that you have another option for? 18:48 * brendan learns about new ones from you all the time 18:49 chris_n @wunder 28334 18:49 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 17.0�C (2:40 PM EDT on October 29, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 39%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Pressure: 30.13 in 1020 hPa (Falling). 18:50 slef brendan: I'm not good with video editing... 18:50 slef brendan: ...and I don't really word process. 18:50 brendan ah 18:51 brendan yeah I'm getting ready to make the switch from openoffice to libreoffice 18:53 slef bbl 19:00 chris On my way in now will be waiting to let ppl in, from about 30 mins 19:28 cait good morning #koha 19:34 brendan morning darling nengard 19:34 brendan :) 19:34 nengard morning brendan 19:39 * chris_n thinks that people who ask for help on the list should not require the one helping to have to add themselves to the sender's "guest" list 19:39 chris_n *grumble* 19:41 chris_n chris: which search pref? 19:41 chris_n hey nengard, I've not forgotten you :) 19:41 * chris_n has been crazy busy 19:42 nengard i just sent those emails yesterday 19:42 nengard no rush 19:42 nengard well - not too much rush 19:42 chris_n hehe........ Nov 1 is, well, close 19:43 * chris_n will spend time tonight and get something off to you 19:43 chris_n heya sekjal 19:43 * chris_n heads off to the next fire :-P 19:43 sekjal hey, chris_n! 19:47 brendan heya sekjal 19:47 sekjal morning, brendan! 19:52 chris So who all are we waiting for? 19:52 * chris wonders if he can come upstairs 19:53 nengard chris_n i put that video up on flickr talking about koha in the amazon cloud 19:53 nengard if it helps any 19:54 nengard chris i think that might be it .... 19:54 chris Only ones I can think of are the solomons guys not sure if they were coming today 19:54 chris Ill wait 5 more mins 20:00 nengard gmcharlt around? 20:00 gmcharlt nengard: what's up? 20:01 nengard cait saw that you removed the OrderPdfTemplate preference and she (and I) think that it's actually used ... 20:01 nengard (catching up on a lot of emails) 20:03 gmcharlt nengard: it is not (in 3.2); see bug 4188 20:03 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4188 blocker, P1, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED FIXED, Basketgroup print fails to generate a file 20:03 slef back 20:03 nengard cait is saying she showed it in training and it was working (not more than 3 weeks ago) 20:04 nengard if you changed the value in that preference it showed either 2 or 3 pages 20:04 nengard i too did this in trainig - this was of course in 3.2 beta - not 3.2 final 20:05 gmcharlt nengard: I'm pretty you can cait are thinking of OrderPdfFormat 20:05 cait oh 20:05 nengard oh! you are right!!! 20:05 nengard :) 20:05 cait I am sorry! 20:05 nengard thanks for correcting our fuzzy minds 20:06 slef fossy minds 20:06 gmcharlt just call me the lint-remover ;) 20:06 slef gmcharlt is now known as sticky tape 20:09 nengard hehe 20:09 nengard okay hacking about to begin!! 20:09 nengard what are you all on IRC working on for the hackfest?? :) 20:22 brendan no patches yet? 20:23 paul_p brendan, just 636 waiting for QA (git.biblibre.com ;-) ) 20:24 brendan yeah 20:24 brendan err.. yay 20:25 slef I'm currently looking at Bob's Barcode Bamboozler 20:26 slef anyone know ALICE's barcode algorithm? 20:35 cait who is ALICE? 20:35 * robin- may be slightly late today :) 20:39 slef cait: a windows ILS 20:39 slef Just to clarify, jwagner has not said anything in the hack room today. 20:40 brendan ha 21:10 cait I updated my public git repo! yay! 21:12 bengard I can haz koha? 21:12 bengard I haz koha! 21:15 cait lol 21:17 mason i p0wnez your KOHA 21:19 slef i can dansss 21:22 brendan @wunder 93117 21:23 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 19.8�C (2:33 PM PDT on October 29, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014.1 hPa (Falling). 21:25 cait @wunder wellington 21:25 munin cait: Error: No such location could be found. 21:25 cait @wunder Konstanz 21:25 munin cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 7.0�C (11:00 PM CEST on October 29, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Pressure: 29.84 in 1010 hPa (Falling). 21:26 slef heh just found an irc log from 2005 with kados saying he's not sure I ever did koha support. Nice. 21:28 brendan @seen kados 21:28 munin brendan: I have not seen kados. 21:28 * brendan assume it's like two years 21:36 robin- @wunder wellington, nz 21:36 munin robin-: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 11.0�C (10:00 AM NZDT on October 30, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Pressure: 30.74 in 1041 hPa (Falling). 22:00 paul_p irmaB, http://wiki.koha-community.org/w/index.php?title=BibLibre_patches_to_be_integrated_for_3.4 22:01 brendan paul_p there is nothing on that page 22:02 paul_p brendan, yep, working on filling it now ;-) 22:02 brendan :) 22:10 * cait is a happy cait 22:10 sekjal if anyone has experience with the httpd.conf for GitWeb, I'd be happy for an assist. I'm vexed 22:11 gmcharlt sekjal: go for it, what's your questin? 22:11 sekjal well, I'm not entirely sure what I'm doing wrong 22:11 sekjal I have a file 22:12 sekjal but when I enable it, all my sites on the server fail 22:12 sekjal disable, and they come back 22:12 sekjal paste.workbuffer.org not up? 22:12 pastebot "gmcharlt" at 74.179.111.229 pasted "site conf for a gitweb" (16 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/86 22:13 gmcharlt sekjal: paste.koha-community.org 22:13 sekjal ah 22:13 sekjal thanks 22:13 gmcharlt the last RedirectMatch likely isn't relevant 22:14 sekjal thanks, that's the same model I've got... looking for differences.... 22:20 sekjal I think I've just done the install wrong... 22:43 * gmcharlt is going out in search of food 22:44 gmcharlt nengard: your patch for 5326 could be even moar better and go directly to the pref 22:44 gmcharlt see http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-patches/2010-October/012753.html 22:46 nengard gmcharlt - i wsn't sure how to make it more better :) will read the link 22:46 cait irmaB: can you try so send the mail again? 22:46 nengard gmcharlt i will fix! thanks for the tip 22:52 nengard gmcharlt resubmitted with a typo in the title ;) 22:54 chris_n2 chris: I'm not sure I understand the use of a syspref which requires the user to add an asterisk to the end of a query 23:22 brendan_l seems to be lunch time for hackfest 23:24 chris_n2 hey brendan_l 23:24 brendan_l heya chris_n2 23:24 brendan_l happy friday eve to you 23:25 brendan_l your kids have there costumes ready for hallowween 23:25 brendan_l s/there/their 23:30 slef yes lunch at hackfest 23:31 slef we're in hell 23:41 slef www.hell.co.nz 23:42 slef it says over the bar 23:53 slef fruit pizza