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bob |
hi, i've a quick koha 3.2 upgrade question - running the koha_perl_deps.pl file it says a few existing modules need a newer version - will upgrading them break other 3.0 kohas on the same box? |
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they are YAML, Storable, Locale::PO, DateTime, CGI::Session::Serialize::y |
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mason |
bob: short answer is no |
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bob |
that is a short answer |
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mason |
ive got a dev-box with a bunch of 3.0 and 3.2 kohas |
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bob |
excellent - that's the sort of thing i wanted to hear |
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mason |
deb-lenny fyi, and everything is happy |
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bob |
cool |
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bob |
thanks mason |
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mason |
yeah, your setup should be real close to mine, so you'll be fine, i reckon |
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bob |
my server is etch - but hopefully that won't cause problems |
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mason |
ok, i've previously done the same with etch too |
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mason |
u might need to upgrade perl from 5.8 to 5.10 |
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bob |
ah, hmm that sounds a pain |
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mason |
which will mean a bit more work |
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mason |
yeah :/ |
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mason |
wot perl u on? |
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mason |
perl -v |
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bob |
5.8.8 |
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mason |
right, some of those deps, might want perl5.10 |
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mason |
cant remember... |
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according the the release notes - The minimum version of Perl required is now 5.8.8. |
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mason |
ok, sounds good |
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bob |
well i'll try to install the modules tonight and if any complain i'll have to go down the perl upgrade path |
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mason |
try it on a dev box 1st, i reckon |
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bob |
right |
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but 3.0 and 3.2 kohas on etch, worked fine for me |
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i'm sure it'll all be fine :) |
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kmkale |
hi all |
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ivanc |
good morning #koha |
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Amit |
heya kmkale |
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kmkale |
hi Amit |
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kmkale |
Amit: thought you would be at the Kohacon10 |
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Amit |
hmmm |
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Amit: is the book out? |
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Amit |
no |
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kmkale: in november |
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kmkale |
cool |
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slef |
PTFS? |
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munin: PTFS? |
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slef: Error: "PTFS?" is not a valid command. |
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munin: PTFS |
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munin |
slef: "PTFS" could be Ptfs: They Fork Software |
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kmkale |
@weather Mumbai |
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kmkale: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 34.0�C (4:40 PM IST on October 28, 2010). Conditions: Smoke. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: 22.0�C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady). |
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owen |
Oh I don't know chris_n I thought the backtick was kind of jaunty. |
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chris_n |
hehe |
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chris_n |
kohacon in nz sure makes for a large scroll-back |
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owen |
I was about to ask "Hackfest doesn't start until tomorrow?" but then I remembered that tomorrow is coming earlier for them |
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gmcharlt |
heh |
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owen |
This is the part I really hate to be missing |
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schuster |
Owen - do you all use patron suggestions? |
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owen |
Not Koha's. We use our own system. |
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schuster |
owen - do you all use Koha's acq or something else? |
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schuster |
Last question as I have a ton of other things I should be doing... Do you allow patrons to write reviews? |
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owen |
We don't use any acquisitions software. We do some cataloging in Koha and some outside of Koha |
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owen |
We do have comments enabled, but I've never seen a single one submitted. |
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schuster |
K thanks... Thinking about QR codes and how others I have seen are using them in the library and with books. |
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owen |
How are people using them? |
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schuster |
Links to databases that are relevant to a topic that are posted in the stacks...(Legal section might have a qr code in the middle of the stacks that links to Legal ref database or a youtube on how to search a legal ref database) |
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schuster |
reviews of books or book trailers |
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schuster |
I see that gutenberg now has them available in their system for users to scan and take the book with them. |
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owen |
QR codes seem like they must be of such limited interest: People who have the right phone, with the right software, and know what QR codes are... |
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owen: it depends on the area - AIUI, QR codes are *heavily* used in Japan |
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schuster |
You can use almost any smart phone you just have to download the qr reader... I'm thinking with High school kids it could be of great interest as a "cool" think. |
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schuster |
think/thing |
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schuster |
I'm seeing them more here in the states - there was a Sears add this weekend with one on it, and in some magazines I am seeing them. |
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schuster |
last April I went to a session at the state library conference where several of the universities were looking at its use on campus. |
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schuster |
They even talked about it on CSI - NY the TV show! |
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schuster |
Evidently there was a session at Computers in Libraries West that talked about it as I had a call from a librarian that was attending.. Had to burst her bubble that I know about them and am presenting on it in 2 weeks. |
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owen |
I wish people would attach patches to their bug reports when marking them "patch-sent" |
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cheers gmcharlt on in his patchwork |
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* owen |
too |
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schuster |
Question for those also keeping the pulse of Kohacon10... Were there any posts on the Wed - support session discussin? |
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kmkale |
bye all |
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hi brendan |
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heya rhcl |
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brendan |
ah back - morning all |
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rhcl |
afternoon |
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chris_n |
gmcharlt about? |
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gmcharlt |
ues |
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gmcharlt |
yes, even |
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chris_n |
do you know if it is possible for a dev install not to have the 'HomeOrHoldingBranch' pref present? |
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chris_n |
actually |
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chris_n |
for that value to be null? |
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gmcharlt |
not under normal circumstance |
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chris_n |
hmm |
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chris_n |
actually the pref does not exist in this install |
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chris_n |
but it rebases fine against the current head |
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chris_n |
the trouble is it shows up in the prefs editor |
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chris_n |
well... setting it to other than the default adds it to the systempreferences table |
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chris_n |
interesting |
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shrugs |
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druthb |
@seen jwagner |
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munin |
druthb: jwagner was last seen in #koha 5 days, 23 hours, 8 minutes, and 22 seconds ago: * jwagner is heading out now -- see you in NZ! |
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* druthb |
chuckles |
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druthb |
@seen jdavidb |
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munin |
druthb: jdavidb was last seen in #koha 17 weeks, 5 days, 22 hours, 16 minutes, and 49 seconds ago: <jdavidb> hi, cait! :D |
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gmcharlt |
druthb: I was going to say, surely you haven't misplaced her |
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gmcharlt |
@karma druthb |
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munin |
gmcharlt: Karma for "druthb" has been increased 37 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 37. |
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gmcharlt |
@karma jdavidb |
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munin |
gmcharlt: Karma for "jdavidb" has been increased 0 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 0. |
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druthb |
Gosh, has it been that long already? wow. |
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druthb |
We haven't misplaced her, I don't think. She IMs me most every day, at least for a few minutes. |
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druthb |
It's probably good they sent her, and not me. I would be tempted to vanish into thin air, I think. |
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druthb: is vanishing into *thin* air as impossible in DC as in NYC? |
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druthb |
quite impossible here. you have to have good cover around here. I'm no longer nondescript enough to become effectively invisible. |
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druthb |
jwagner is missing an informal bash tomorrow at the office, in honor of National Crossdressers' Coming Out Day...I mean, Halloween. I suspect she's heartbroken. |
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jcamins |
This morning, my boss and I spent several minutes staring out the library's windows at the fog bank that was rolling in over the Hudson. It looked like all of the city north of the Village was on fire. |
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jcamins |
We're pretty sure it wasn't, but it certainly reminded one of the fact that NYC's air isn't the greatest. |
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druthb |
We don't have fog and pollution terribly bad around these parts, but we do have some "orange alert" days from time to time. Mostly in the summer. |
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druthb |
The humidity here is fierce.. the western part of downtown DC used to be a bog on the shore of the Potomac; our office is about a mile, maybe, from the Potomac, a little farther upriver. |
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joetho |
hello- anybody got any experience converting xml to marc? Any alternatives to marcedit? |
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jcamins |
joetho: what format? |
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usually just writes an XSLT and uses saxon |
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joetho |
original file has 13,000 records in .xml format |
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gmcharlt |
joetho: yaz-marcdump can do that conversion |
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gmcharlt |
something like yaz-marcdump -i marcxml -o marc file.xml > file.mrc |
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jcamins |
joetho: never mind. Do what gmcharlt says (actually, I think that's always a good rule...). I answered a different question entirely. |
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brendan |
man the koha 10 years in 10 minutes is pretty cool to watch |
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joetho |
add quote time: "Do what gmcharlt says (actually, I think that's always a good rule...) |
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druthb |
hi, owen. |
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owen |
Hello fellow American. |
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druthb |
fellow-American-stuck-in-America? :P |
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joetho |
hi druth |
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joetho |
My fellow amerikansan Liz has fled and we miss her terribly |
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owen |
I think you'll be lucky if she comes back joetho, by the sound of it |
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jcamins |
owen: would _you_? |
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owen |
Depends how many job offers I got while I was there |
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* druthb |
would be tempted to find some nice quiet sheep station somewhere...and effectively disappear. |
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druthb |
herding critters would lower my stress level some, maybe. |
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thd |
hdl: are you present? |
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hdl |
i am |
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owen |
druthb: Herding my critters doesn't always lower my stress level |
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jcamins |
owen: true... maybe they need bakers in NZ! I could reinvent myself as a baker on the other side of the world... |
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thd |
hdl: I did not understand the use of 'function' in "Maybe we could just use function and caching results." |
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hdl |
subs |
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thd |
subs? |
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hdl |
sub myfunction { return aaa; } |
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druthb |
baking...carpentry...hm. could do all sorta things, jcamins. :) |
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slef |
yengh |
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hdl |
memoize::memcached ( myfuction,ladida) |
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thd |
hdl: OK so its a caching function or subroutine |
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hdl |
yep |
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hdl |
I think that data persistance is more the way we should do rather than just caching. |
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thd |
hdl: You mean persistence in memory? |
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hdl |
But in both cases (data persistance or caching) you have the same issues : you have to flush whenever data is edited. |
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hdl |
thd: yes. |
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thd |
Presumably, edits are infrequent in an ILS unless we are also caching or persisting circulation data as well. |
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thd |
s/edits/edits to any significant number of records which might have been cached or otherwise persisted in memory. |
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hdl |
thd: it would even be caching branches and so on. |
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hdl |
But still, if you are caching issuingules. |
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hdl |
It is still quite disapointing when you see that the issuingrules taken is the previous one ;) |
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hdl |
There are ways to flush cache. |
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hdl |
I think we could use either flush cache on a regular base or just whenever and edit occurs. |
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thd |
When I have communicated with chris in the past about the relative benefit of file system access or DB storage he seemed to express the view that DB storage almost always wins with good caching over the file system. |
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joetho |
oh and gmcharlt: thanks for the yaz tip! |
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joetho |
yer the best! |
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thd |
hdl: How does caching or persistence really help for bibliographic records in a large collection in any case? |
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thd |
hdl: Are you referring merely to some benefit of the most popular queries from which records would be cached or persisted? |
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hdl |
(on skype) |
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thd |
ok |
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chris |
thd: that's our experience with stuff, which has highly dynamic content and a lot of it, keep it in ram ftw |
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chris |
We have millions and millions of rows, most of it persists in ram |
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chris |
As serialised objects |
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thd |
chris: Would libraries have enough RAM to keep everything in RAM? |
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chris |
Pretty much every story is much larger than a marc record |
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chris |
Yes |
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chris |
And it doesn't need to be everything, memcached is smart |
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chris |
But as ppl will learn at the talks today fetching data is not our bottleneck |
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chris |
There are some very easy wins but I'm not going to preempt the talks |
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thd |
chris: What about the issue which hdl raised that the cache or persistence has to be flushed every time there is an update. |
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chris |
Easy peasy |
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chris |
We have to do that too |
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chris |
You can't have old news on a news site |
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chris |
But the easy wins involve no caching |
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gmcharlt |
thd: also, managing the cache is well, part of life - it isn't *that* hard to fire appropriate cache-clearing actions when something gets updated |
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chris |
After we pick the low hanging fruit we can tackle those |
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gmcharlt |
i.e., it isn't rocket surgery, to borrower one of my colleague's catchphrases |
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thd |
chris: Do you mean that flushing and replacing the entire cache has a trivial impact on performance even on a site as busy as stuff.nz? |
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chris |
Exactly |
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chris |
Why flush the whole cache? |
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chris |
Why would you ever do that? |
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thd |
chris: If the cache is segmented that is fine :) |
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* thd |
does not understand the details of caching |
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chris |
You'd have to try really hard not to segment it :) |
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chris |
With memcached anyway |
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hdl |
thd: well caching imho would not be on record queries, what is most interesting is caching the parameters and branches and categories and all the settings. |
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hdl |
Could be on records. |
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chris |
Id cache records too |
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chris |
Memcached reclaims space from things that aren't used |
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hdl |
But settings and branches and categories are the most database consuming. |
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chris |
the settings affect scalabilty |
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hdl |
chris: there are many ways to 'cache records' |
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chris |
Records speed |
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hdl |
you could cacher record pages. |
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thd |
chris: cfouts refers to parsing inefficiencies for XML. I know that pales in comparison to circulation and record editor inefficiencies. However, all queries require parsing, while circulation and the record editor are used much less frequently. |
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hdl |
(but could be done in apache) |
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chris |
Ie you can fetch a syspref ftom the db faster than the cache |
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gmcharlt |
once we get items out of the bibs, caching the the display versions of the bib data would be a win |
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chris |
Yes |
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nod |
reminder, hack fest starts at 9am NZDT :) |
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nod |
level 3 catalyst house |
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chris |
On the bus now nod |
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nod |
http://www.catalyst.net.nz/contact |
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hdl |
gmcharlt: i pushed a wip_removeitems |
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nod |
chris: sweet, although hopefully theres nothing for you to do :) |
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hdl |
branch on git.biblibre.com |
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thd |
gmcharlt: Where should display optimised records be stored? |
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* nod |
works on his best practices talk |
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chris |
thd: hence store the serialised object not the xml blob in the cache :) |
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gmcharlt |
thd: stored? nowhere. cached? in memcache |
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gmcharlt |
there's a distinction |
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thd |
gmcharlt: but where stored prior to be cached by memcache? |
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gmcharlt |
nowhere |
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chris |
Its rendered to the cache |
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chris_n |
thd: the view is generated and cached |
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gmcharlt |
the display version would be computed when needed (e.g., applying the OPAC XSLT to the MARCXML) |
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chris |
And the screen |
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gmcharlt |
and the results cached |
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chris |
Yeah what he said :) |
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chris_n |
snap |
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thd |
gmcharlt: So if the server never goes down they can all live in a preparsed form forever? |
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* chris_n |
presumes they would go stale at some expire time |
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chris |
Don't have to chris_n |
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gmcharlt |
right, or depending on the level of granularity of our cache control, the cached version of an individual record could be invalidated if/when the bib gets updated |
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chris_n |
how would we decide if they were current or not? |
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chris |
If you instead flush them when you change them |
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chris_n |
ahh |
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gmcharlt |
i.e., what chris said :) |
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* chris_n |
must try to keep up |
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chris |
We always know when they change |
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chris |
Ok my stop, coffee the bbiab |
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chris_n |
drink some for me |
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hdl |
We have to go to |
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thd |
chris_n: I have not posted to the list, I have another update I want to do first on AGPL 3 advocacy. However, have a look at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]copyright_license |
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thd |
chris_n: The IRC meeting about the ballot is fully summarised |
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chris_n |
nice work thd |
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thd |
chris_n: sorry that when I was having problems with my computer or my health in the past two months I did not have enough of me to do that work. |
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chris_n |
that is very understandable |
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thd |
chirs_n: your improvements are needed. |
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chris_n |
plus, the issue really took second place to 3.2.0 |
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chris_n |
thd: I'll devote some time to it over the next week |
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* chris_n |
wonders aloud if slef has looked into possible voting mechanisms |
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* dpavlin_ |
applogies for jumping in just now |
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thd |
chris_n: I asked recently. I suggested that he prepare. |
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thd |
chris_n: I think after KohaCon we can restart the process. |
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chris_n |
dpavlin_: jump on in, the water's fine :) |
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chris_n |
thd: right |
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dpavlin_ |
I can do some more work with NYTProf to see which codepaths are real problem. |
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dpavlin_ |
But, to do that, I would need some direction in how to add caches (so I can mesure improvements) and yet have it somewhat usable. |
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chris_n |
dpavlin_: chris has a repo with code setup to use memcached iirc |
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dpavlin_ |
(as in somewhat usable for later -- I had a long day today and it's 21hrs here :-) |
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thd |
chris_n: the delay will not be nearly as long as between the proposal to relicense the wiki license and the vote on the wiki relicensing. |
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chris_n |
thd: I'd hope not :-) |
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* brendan |
thinks aloud when is the next IRC meeting |
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* dpavlin_ |
would appriciate pointer to it :-) |
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brendan |
anyone that knows - can they add that to the channel header? |
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chris_n |
dpavlin_: om, i'll look |
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brendan |
thanks chris_n I just don't know that date or time yet ;) |
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thd |
brendon: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]_10_November_2010 |
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chris_n |
dpavlin_: well, chris will have to point you to it |
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Topic for #koha is now Koha 3.2.0 released!! | Next general IRC meeting: 10 November 2010 1900 UTC +0 |
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Topic for #koha is now Koha 3.2.0 released!! | Next general IRC meeting: 10 November 2010 1900 UTC +0 | Convert meeting time: http://tinyurl.com/265lfso |
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chris_n |
brendan: done |
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brendan |
sweet thanks chris_n++ |
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brendan |
I guess when I engage VPN I loose IRC |
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chris_n |
probably not using split tunneling |
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seems to remember it is bad practice to do that sort of thing |
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brendan |
nope |
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brendan |
yeah not my vpn - I just login - kick a script and get out |
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brendan |
go screen |
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richard |
hi |
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brendan |
hi richard |
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brendan |
is the hackfest going to taped? |
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* jcamins |
thinks that would be a great idea |
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* brendan |
thinks we'll be able to follow along with the patches sent? |
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brendan |
somewhat - been seeing a lot of patches sent by gmcharlt |
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rhcl |
gmcharlt: Is FulfiLLment analogous to OCLC? |
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gmcharlt |
rhcl: not in terms of its implementation |
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gmcharlt |
it lets a group of libraries interecirculate |
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jcamins |
gmcharlt: is there anything you don't know? |
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gmcharlt |
but it isn't a centralized service a la OCLC ILL |
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gmcharlt |
instead, it sits in the middle of a group of local catalogs |
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rhcl |
hummm |
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gmcharlt |
jcamins: considering that Equinox is writing FulfILLment, I ought to know what it is ;) |
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rhcl |
gmcharlt even speaks croatian |
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richard |
wow |
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jcamins |
gmcharlt: oh, well, yes, I guess that makes sense. |
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chris_n |
dpavlin_: found it... http://git.koha-community.org/[…]ads/new/memcached |
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owen |
Hello ladies of Koha |
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wizzyrea_ |
hi owen! |
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wizzyrea_ |
did you see the video of 10 years in 10 minutes? |
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owen |
Yeah, that was fun |
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wizzyrea_ |
10 years of koha development that is |
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wizzyrea_ |
I loved watching you flit about the templates ;) |
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owen |
If they'd asked I would have given them a head shot ;) |
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* owen |
has a stack of glossies handy at all times |
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wizzyrea_ |
maybe they'll do a new version with submitted headshots |
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wizzyrea_ |
hahahaha |
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owen |
It would also be cool with little 8-bit style avatars |
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wizzyrea_ |
you gonna whip those up then? |
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owen |
I hope I'll have my hands full kibitzing template changes coming out of Biblibre and hackfest |
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wizzyrea_ |
I have no doubt that you will :) |
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nengard |
hi owen |
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owen |
wizzyrea_: Trick-or-treating tonight! You should show chris's kids how it's done. |
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nengard |
owen i might be wrong, but i think those headshots came from ohloh |
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wizzyrea_ |
lol |
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nengard |
off to see if they match :) |
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owen |
You could even try it after dark on the 31st rather than at 5PM three days before Halloween |
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nengard |
looks like i was was wrong about the headshots: https://www.ohloh.net/p/koha/stacks |
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nengard |
not sure where they came from |
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slef |
ok, is there a hack room? |
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owen |
You have to hack your way in slef |
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slef |
and it's chris's fault we're late :) |
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slef |
owen: I could but it often upsets ppl |
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slef |
owen: nengard: headshots from kohacon 2006 dev_week IIRC |
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nengard |
oh!! okay |
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owen |
Reminders of missed cons past... |
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slef |
or may be 2009, but either way, that's why I'm not there |
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* brendan |
wonders if kohacon will become more of a yearly thing now |
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slef |
brendan: depends on demand and organisers |
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brendan |
well I'll start saving now |
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slef |
brendan: some say uk next, but I'd need to get co-op backing. |
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brendan |
that would be great slef |
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rhcl |
http://www.chenahotsprings.com/ |
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owen |
slef: I'm certainly hoping for a kohacon somewhere in Europe next year |
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slef |
nengard: is that room to the left usable by us? |
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nengard |
yes |
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nengard |
bleh - slides going by too fast - can't blog |
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slef |
oops sorry to distract |
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slef |
let me know if I should stream a talk |
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slef |
brb |
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nengard |
slef not your fault at all - just that andrew is going fast :) |
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Elwell_ |
22:03 < ?wizzyrea_> did you see the video of 10 years in 10 minutes? |
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Elwell_ |
^^^^ available online? |
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wizzyrea |
yep |
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Elwell_ |
for those of us not at kohacon |
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owen |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl1a2VN_pec |
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Elwell_ |
ta |
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wizzyrea |
^^ |
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slef |
Elwell_: check http://s.coop/kohacon10 for links and stuff |
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slef |
laptop doesn't like catalyst wifi :( |
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slef |
sodding passphrase wrong |
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nengard |
bengard cant log into irc - ERROR :Closing Link: cat11g.catalyst.net.nz (Too many host connections (local)) |
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slef |
nengard: I'll set up a tunnel once I'm on the wifi.. |
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nengard |
Elwell_ all videos and presentation summaries here: http://www.web2learning.net/ca[…]nferences/kohacon |
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nengard |
thanks slef - cait also can't get in |
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Elwell_ |
cool nengard ta |
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slef |
am having serious fun with keyboards and mice too :/ |
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slef |
it all worked at the b+b :/ |
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slef |
rebooted and all works |
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slef |
ok, irc server tunnel on 10.22.33.74 for those at hackfest |
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slef |
it'll be up until 1130 at least |
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slef |
so that might give time to sort out the connection limits |
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hdl |
thanks slef |
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cait |
yay! |
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cait |
slef++ :) |
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cait |
hi bengard |
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bengard |
hello |
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bengard |
thanks to MJ for getting me onto IRC! |
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slef |
well that was more of a mess than I thought |
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slef |
thanks to the co-op for having multiple customer servers I could try until it worked! |
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slef |
hehe, magnus has stolen hdl's connection space |
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slef |
anyone else wants the connection info, ask me... I don't want to publish that one because it is too open |
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slef |
ok, now to hack stuff |
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brendan |
slef - sekjal may need a connection |
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slef |
I'll put it on the board if there's a marker |
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wizzyrea |
owen's gone isn't he |
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brendan |
yup past his bedtime |
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wizzyrea |
*sniff* |
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wizzyrea |
look at how kete handles "advanced search" |
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wizzyrea |
http://upperhutt.kete.net.nz/# |
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slef |
will wait for chris to pause |
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wizzyrea |
click on the spyglass in the search box |
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slef |
wizzyrea: javascript #fail? |
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wizzyrea |
aside that |
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magnus |
oops, what did i do? |
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rhcl |
not sure about relevance (http://upperhutt.kete.net.nz/#) |
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rhcl |
search for "fish" in pictures...expect so see some catfish? No, matches on personal name "Fisher" |
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wizzyrea |
did you click on the spyglass in the search box to see the advanced search? |
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wizzyrea |
because that's what is relevant |
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wizzyrea |
and it saves all of your previous searches |
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wizzyrea |
in that bo |
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wizzyrea |
box |
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wizzyrea |
which appears on every page |
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rhcl |
ya, the drop down options are nice |
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wizzyrea |
and re: upperhutt, there may not be any content in there about fish. Just sayin. |
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rhcl |
no walleye for me :( |
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mason-xxx |
helloooooooooooooooo |
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mason-xxx |
this is a test |
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wizzyrea |
hey mason |
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mason-xxx |
hi liz |
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slef |
magnus: only N ppl can connect from each location, catalyst hack lab is at maximum |
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brendan |
mason-xxx sounds scary |
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slef |
brendan: you like mason porn, yes? |
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brendan |
heh |
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brendan |
not sure about that - was thinking of the movie |
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sekjal |
thanks, slef, for the IRC workaround |
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braedon|h |
brendan: that doesn't really clarify the issue |
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brendan |
nope not into mason porn then |
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slef |
sekjal: in return, can you let me know when reed starts? |
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sekjal |
slef: absolutely |
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slef |
tyvm... and thank the co-op more than me for having servers handy :) |
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sekjal |
thanks, software.coop ! |
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slef |
so who's going to ask the if/elsif/else question? |
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slef |
oh, there is is |
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slef |
it is |
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slef |
but koha uses EXPR far too much... will this force a cleanup? |
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cait |
bigger_fonts++ |
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slef |
cait: I will bring binoculars for you tomorrow? |
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slef |
or you could just sit nearer the front |
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cait |
yeah, I could |
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wizzyrea |
cait: http://reedwade.net/kohacon10/ttt/ |
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slef |
mmm hard to ask questions here |
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cait |
wizzyrea++ |
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slef |
awww, ajax-- |
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slef |
so tt lets the expr survive :( |
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nengard |
bigger fonts and louder voices - might have to sit up front tomorrow |
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or after lunch |
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no questions for slef :( |
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bbl |
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alright, lunch |
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need food |
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blood sugar low |
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braedon|h: The current temperature in Auckland, New Zealand is 19.0�C (12:00 PM NZDT on October 29, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 30.42 in 1030 hPa (Steady). |
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