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wasabi |
oops, i take that back |
| 00:04 |
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chris |
:) |
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slef |
chris: which gitorious branch is meant to be k-c.org head? |
| 00:10 |
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chris |
hmm, i havent pushed for quite a while |
| 00:10 |
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chris |
lemme look |
| 00:11 |
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chris |
(not master anyway, i push the translation branch quite a bit for backup purposes) |
| 00:11 |
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chris |
i think master 2 secs ill go update it |
| 00:14 |
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slef |
cool, ta |
| 00:24 |
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chris |
done, master it is |
| 00:24 |
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chris |
http://gitorious.org/koha/mainline/commits/master |
| 00:39 |
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slef |
ok... checking my copy |
| 00:41 |
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slef |
seems to work - what's the recommended workflow now? branch per bug? |
| 00:41 |
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* slef |
goes to read the wiki |
| 00:42 |
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chris |
yeah that works |
| 00:42 |
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chris |
branch per bug, then either submit a pull request or patches |
| 00:42 |
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chris |
colin will then pull or apply, and send me a pull request if passes qa ok |
| 00:43 |
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chris |
and ill pull it into a branch, and then merge it |
| 00:43 |
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chris |
for now, ill just pull it into a branch |
| 00:43 |
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chris |
will merge it once rel_3_2 is branched |
| 00:49 |
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slef |
ok, have created enh_bulkmarcimport because there's actually no bug for that change (I thought there was but I can't find it now) |
| 00:49 |
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slef |
I'll look up how to submit a pull request now |
| 00:50 |
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chris |
ah |
| 00:50 |
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chris |
2 secs i wrote that up somwehere |
| 00:51 |
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chris |
http://galencharlton.com/blog/?p=10#comments |
| 00:51 |
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chris |
fix the email address of course |
| 00:52 |
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* chris |
adds another comment to that effect |
| 00:52 |
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slef |
aha, cool |
| 00:52 |
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chris |
ok meeting time, bbiab |
| 00:53 |
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slef |
hrm, that seems to request lots else |
| 00:54 |
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slef |
or at least include log lines for it |
| 01:05 |
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slef |
ok, sorting out my confusion |
| 01:37 |
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ebegin |
Hey, am I the only want scratching his head to understand the logic behind the basket groups? |
| 01:37 |
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ebegin |
s/want/one |
| 01:38 |
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chris |
no |
| 01:39 |
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ebegin |
:) |
| 01:39 |
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ebegin |
Can we consider this as an 3.2 incompleted feature? |
| 01:39 |
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chris |
i think we need to ask biblibre how it is meant to work |
| 01:41 |
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slef |
ebegin should harangue them in their own language until they do :) |
| 01:41 |
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chris |
:) |
| 01:42 |
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ebegin |
Mais bien sur! Hehe... I'll send Paul an email about that |
| 01:43 |
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ebegin |
But I'm glad to see that I'm not crazy (yet) |
| 01:46 |
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slef |
ebegin: not yet. Are you going to NZ? |
| 01:47 |
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ebegin |
Unfortunatly I wont :( I wish I could. |
| 02:01 |
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richard |
we've elected a new mayor for kohacon - http://www.stuff.co.nz/nationa[…]mayor-for-capital |
| 02:04 |
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ebegin |
Will she be at Kohacon? |
| 02:05 |
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chris |
heh she works next door |
| 02:05 |
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chris |
you never know |
| 02:05 |
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chris |
the conference is literally right next door to the mayors office |
| 02:05 |
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chris |
we will be definitely meeting the mayor of horowhenua though :) |
| 02:09 |
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ebegin |
@wunder NZ |
| 02:09 |
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munin |
ebegin: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 02:09 |
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ebegin |
@wunder wellington NZ |
| 02:09 |
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munin |
ebegin: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0�C (3:00 PM NZDT on October 13, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady). |
| 02:10 |
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ebegin |
@wunder montreal canada |
| 02:10 |
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munin |
ebegin: The current temperature in Montreal, Quebec is 6.0�C (10:00 PM EDT on October 12, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Windchill: 4.0�C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014 hPa (Rising). |
| 02:24 |
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jcamins |
Ooh, bug. |
| 02:25 |
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jcamins |
In the OPAC, if you add an entire page of results to your shelf, then go to the next page and add all those bibs, it tells you that nothing's been added, but it did, in fact, add the bibs. |
| 02:28 |
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jcamins |
Wait, no. |
| 02:28 |
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jcamins |
That's not the bug. |
| 02:29 |
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jcamins |
Hm. |
| 02:29 |
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jcamins |
I don't know what the bug is. |
| 02:29 |
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jcamins |
(how's that for an awesome bug report) |
| 02:29 |
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jcamins |
*? |
| 02:29 |
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chris |
thats pretty normal |
| 02:30 |
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chris |
sad but true :) |
| 02:32 |
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jcamins |
You know what I would like? A mouse-over record preview. |
| 02:32 |
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chris |
in the staff interface? |
| 02:32 |
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jcamins |
I was thinking of in the OPAC, but staff interface would work too. |
| 02:33 |
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chris |
would have to be a pref for the opac, it could annoy people |
| 02:33 |
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jcamins |
Oh, certainly. |
| 02:33 |
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jcamins |
And mostly I would keep it turned off. |
| 02:33 |
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chris |
so being able to turn it on and off |
| 02:33 |
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chris |
like the highlighting |
| 02:33 |
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chris |
so a cookie based pref |
| 02:33 |
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chris |
might be something fun for the hackfest :) |
| 02:34 |
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robin |
we made something that whenever an error was detected, it dumped the entire DOM including all values for everything. That made tracking down where bugs where coming from a lot easier. |
| 02:34 |
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jcamins |
But I can definitely see instances when that would be useful. |
| 02:34 |
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jcamins |
robin: but how do you detect an error? |
| 02:35 |
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robin |
well, in this case, it was when the exception handler caught an otherwise-untrapped exception. |
| 02:35 |
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robin |
But if you had a little "report a bug" thing on pages, you could do the same. |
| 02:35 |
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jcamins |
Ooh, that would be awesome! |
| 02:36 |
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jcamins |
robin++ # for volunteering to implement a "report a bug" widget which includes a DOM capture |
| 02:36 |
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robin |
we also had the advantage of access to all the data to test with, which you won't have here. |
| 02:36 |
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robin |
haha |
| 02:36 |
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robin |
I'll get back to you on that :) |
| 02:36 |
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jcamins |
*which _optionally_ includes a DOM capture |
| 02:37 |
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jcamins |
Why is Zebra suddenly acting wonky for me? |
| 02:37 |
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jcamins |
No, never mind. I don't want to know. |
| 02:37 |
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jcamins |
It's quarter to 11 at night, and I just want to finish my work and go to sleep. |
| 02:37 |
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jcamins |
;) |
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ebegin |
An easy question here... what does the i in gist for? Goods I??? Services taxe? |
| 03:16 |
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chris |
i have no idea |
| 03:16 |
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chris |
its something the biblibrans made up :) |
| 03:16 |
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chris |
in nz its GST |
| 03:17 |
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ebegin |
here to... |
| 03:17 |
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ebegin |
Hmm... Maybe it for Gi S T :) |
| 03:19 |
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ebegin |
We actually have 2 taxes here in canada. GST and PST (Provincial Sales Tax). |
| 03:19 |
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ebegin |
And the worst is that the GST in computed over the PST. |
| 03:20 |
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chris |
ouch! |
| 03:21 |
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ebegin |
So, if you but something for 100$, you have 7.5% of PST. And the GST applies on the 100$ + 7.50$ |
| 03:21 |
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ebegin |
GST is 5% |
| 03:21 |
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chris |
gst is 15 here |
| 03:21 |
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chris |
(as of 1st october) |
| 03:22 |
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ebegin |
So how effectve taxe rate is acutally 12.875%. |
| 03:22 |
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ebegin |
how much was is before oct. 1st? |
| 03:23 |
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chris |
12.5 |
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ebegin |
You should have held KohaCon in September ;) |
| 03:25 |
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chris |
heh |
| 03:28 |
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ebegin |
Where those pdfformat::layout3pages comes from... ? |
| 03:29 |
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ebegin |
forget it. I got it acqui/pdfformat/ |
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CGI875 |
help how to login in intranet via remote computer? |
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CGI875 |
http://172.xx.x.xx |
| 05:45 |
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CGI875 |
http://172.xx.x.xx will yield me opac |
| 05:45 |
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CGI875 |
but i want to go the intranet |
| 05:45 |
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CGI875 |
i've been figuring this out for 3 days but still can't |
| 05:52 |
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chris |
by default it will be on port 8080 |
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saqib |
hi |
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CGI875 |
i tried that chris but still was not able to connect |
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chris |
what version of koha? |
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saqib |
hi |
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CGI658 |
hello everybody |
| 07:22 |
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CGI658 |
in witch site to downlooad koha 3.0.6 |
| 07:23 |
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chris |
koha-community.org/download |
| 07:23 |
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chris |
sorry this one |
| 07:24 |
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chris |
http://koha-community.org/download-koha/ |
| 07:26 |
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CGI658 |
becouse in http://download.koha.org/koha-3.00.06.tar.gz it was with big problems |
| 07:26 |
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CGI658 |
no images etc... |
| 07:27 |
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chris |
weird, it works for others |
| 07:28 |
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chris |
it hasnt changed since may, and its worked fine for lots of people |
| 07:29 |
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CGI658 |
in witch download source are made the recent changes and fix bugs |
| 07:31 |
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chris |
that is still the most recent stable release, there is a release candidate for 3.2.0 if you want to try that, otherwise you can clone the git repository |
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CGI658 |
version 3.2 is not stable and im afraid because im setting up multi-library |
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CGI658 |
if i install an unstable version can i upgrade to a stable version when is available without reinstallin |
| 07:36 |
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wasabi |
yes, choose a dev/git install... |
| 07:40 |
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wasabi |
CGI658 http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Control_Using_Git |
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cait |
@wunder Wellington nz |
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munin |
cait: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 12.0�C (9:00 PM NZDT on October 13, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady). |
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cait |
@wunder Auckland nz |
| 08:02 |
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munin |
cait: The current temperature in Auckland, New Zealand is 15.0�C (9:00 PM NZDT on October 13, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Rising). |
| 08:02 |
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chris |
cait: did you see the live page? |
| 08:02 |
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cait |
no |
| 08:02 |
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cait |
had no time to catch up with all mails |
| 08:02 |
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chris |
http://www.kohacon10.org.nz/live/ |
| 08:08 |
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wasabi |
oooh, it works |
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chris |
heh |
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wasabi |
with js, no flash.... |
| 08:11 |
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chris |
oh cool |
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chris |
there is an rss feed |
| 08:11 |
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chris |
too |
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kmkale |
hi chris |
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chris |
hi kmkale |
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cait |
bye all :) |
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chris |
whats new? |
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chris |
cya cait |
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kmkale |
not much chris. getting projects unrelated to Koha. so feeling a bit utof touch |
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kmkale |
s/utof/outof |
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magnus |
g'day #koha! D-6! |
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chris |
heya magnus |
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magnus |
hi chris |
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kmkale |
is there a way I can see new sysprefs ( if any ) added in 3.2 rc? |
| 09:08 |
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chris |
new since when? |
| 09:10 |
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chris |
http://git.koha-community.org/[…]a53a1553277cc17d6 |
| 09:10 |
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chris |
if you do a git diff on that file from whatever commit to now, you should see them all |
| 09:15 |
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kmkale |
cool |
| 09:28 |
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* chris |
goes to sleep hoping |
| 09:28 |
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chris |
that no new nastiness overnight |
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chris |
night all |
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kmkale |
@weather Mumbai |
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munin |
kmkale: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 31.0�C (3:10 PM IST on October 13, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 23.0�C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady). |
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kmkale |
@seen owen |
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munin |
kmkale: owen was last seen in #koha 14 hours, 58 minutes, and 28 seconds ago: <owen> It could be an amazing coincidence |
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kmkale |
@later tell owen need help re bug 4440 |
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munin |
kmkale: The operation succeeded. |
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hi |
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chris_n |
http://www.virginia.edu/uvatod[…]ease.php?id=13117 |
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ebegin |
paul_p, hdl : Can you give an overview of the Basket groups feature? |
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ebegin |
or point me toward documentaion about it |
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slef |
Is there a list of attendees for kohacon? |
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nengard |
slef i know chris was talking about publishing that - but i don't think there is |
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slef |
nengard: just unidly wondering who will be there. I know now ebegin won't :-( |
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nengard |
yeah a list would be nice - i bet one can be published pretty easily - i can tell you that me and mr. engard will be there |
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nengard |
:) |
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gmcharlt |
@quote random |
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munin |
gmcharlt: Quote #26: "<chris> as an aside C4::Search makes my brain hurt" (added by jdavidb at 05:21 PM, August 22, 2009) |
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slef |
nengard: I think NZ privacy laws might prevent it. I don't remember being asked for permission. |
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slef |
nengard: most places have stronger privacy laws than the US |
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hudsonbot |
Starting build 70 for job Koha (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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slef |
I know any questions or objections are raised on-list, but how do patch submitters get positive feedback on patch application? |
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fcapo |
Hello, I have a problem with the link_bibs_to_authorities.pl script. It never links my biblios to my authorities. |
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fcapo |
If I add authority links with the BiblioAddsAuthorities option and then run link_bibs_to_authorities.pl, it even deletes the link that were added automatically. |
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munin |
New commit(s) kohagit: (MT #3697) Fixed GetAuthorityRecords <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]32f9c8566be4fa249> / [MT3696] Fixed ILSDI GetAvailability call <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]a86d403f47c05408a> / (MT #3698) Fixed ILSDI GetRecords <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]f91bb13af48951e75 |
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slef |
fcapo: ow. Have you checked bugs and email lists for similar symptoms? |
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fcapo |
found some old mailing list entries with no solution, I'll keep searching. |
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wizzyrea |
slef: lately we've been doing the "sign off" thing |
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wizzyrea |
that may not be what you meant |
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slef |
wizzyrea: don't sign-offs go to the list too? |
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hudsonbot |
Project Koha build (70): SUCCESS in 7 min 50 sec: http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha/70/ |
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hudsonbot |
* Galen Charlton: (MT #3698) Fixed ILSDI GetRecords |
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hudsonbot |
* Galen Charlton: [MT3696] Fixed ILSDI GetAvailability call |
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hudsonbot |
* Galen Charlton: (MT #3697) Fixed GetAuthorityRecords |
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slef |
Galen is using Mantis too? |
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gmcharlt |
slef: nope, those are cherry-picks from BibLibre |
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slef |
fcapo: if it's not in bugs, it sounds worth reporting. |
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slef |
gmcharlt: so why does hudsonbot think you wrote them? |
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gmcharlt |
slef: it seems to be picking up patch committer, not patch author |
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fcapo |
Looking into the LinkBibHeadingsToAuthorities subroutine, it seems $heading->authorities() always returns 0 results for me. |
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slef |
gmcharlt: can you make the change described in http://issues.hudson-ci.org/browse/HUDSON-5035 please? |
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slef |
option git.authorOrCommitter it seems |
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Barrc |
fcapo: Did you do a Marc load of your data or add it manually? |
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fcapo |
Barrc: I imported my data with bulkmarcimport.pl |
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Barrc |
thought so....had the same problem myself. You won't be able to retrospectivly relink the auths. How many bibs have you got? |
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fcapo |
only imported 100 for testing purposes, will have a lot more in production |
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Barrc |
You can auto create the Authorities by just going into a bib and simply clicking save. This is provided you have the syspre turned on to allow it, and you have Authorities working in the first case - where did you export the marc records from |
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Barrc |
can you export an Authority file too? |
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fcapo |
I tried using the BiblioAddsAuthorities option and saving. It creates some authorities, but I get duplicates by doing that with books with the same authorities |
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nengard |
chris_n around? |
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Barrc |
Can you search Authorities correctly? |
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Barrc |
Also, what version are you running? |
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fcapo |
Authority searching works correctly in the staff interface. |
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fcapo |
version: 3.01.00.999 |
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Barrc |
I spent a good while trying to get link_bibs_to_authorities to run. Also tried to write my own script to run create new authorities but it turned out way too difficult. I have one small site with 10,000 bibs marc-loaded and we can't link to Auths, nightmare. |
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Barrc |
If you can export an Autority file from your current system you'd be better off |
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bigbrovar |
Hi guys, I am moving our spreadsheet based library to marc21. I am not a librarian and just starting to learn about this whole marc21 thingie. I am currently stock at 852 code which is for location. from what I read its suppose to be for the holding organisation can I put that as my school? how is it differentiated from 952$a (sorry if my question sound too noobish :( ) |
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fcapo |
Well, I have the old authorities imported into my koha using bulkmarcimport.pl -a, but they don't get linked to my bibs |
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jcamins |
fcapo: sorry for the belated answer... I thought that I was doing something wrong, but I had the same problem with link_bibs... |
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jcamins |
I never solved it. |
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Barrc |
bibbrovar: Have you looked here: http://www.loc.gov/marc/biblio[…]hic/bd84188x.html |
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Barrc |
Interesting, I never had any problem linking when I load Authorities. What was the source ILS? |
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jcamins |
Barrc: creating authorities from scratch. |
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Barrc |
Sorry jcamnis my post was directed at fcapo |
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Barrc |
I should have said! |
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jcamins |
Okay. |
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fcapo |
jcamins: ok, at least I know I'm not the only one having this problem :P |
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fcapo |
It's a custom ILS I guess, I only received the MARC files to migrate to koha |
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Barrc |
OK, I was just curious to see if I have come across a similar one. |
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fcapo |
Barrc: How did you import you authorities so they got linked correctly? |
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Barrc |
fcapo: I am just testing something out at my end regaring this. I usually use bulkauthimport.pl for the auth file |
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slef |
bigbrovar: 852 is described in the LOC MARC stuff. 952 is Koha's internal codes, more or less. |
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mag_away |
yay! http://www.librarytechnology.o[…]ytext.pl?RC=15119 |
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Oak |
\o |
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chris_n |
nengard: here |
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nengard |
hi chris_n |
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nengard |
wondering about spine labels and call number splitting |
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nengard |
is there a setting to make it so that it doesn't split on the letter? I have a library that wasnt J300 to stay J300 on the spine label - but it's coming out as J on one line and 300 on the next |
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chris_n |
there's a splitting algorithm for ddcn and lccn and "other" |
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chris_n |
if it is a ddcn or lccn and is not splitting correctly there is a bug for it |
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* chris_n |
looks |
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chris_n |
if it is an "other" but should have its own splitting algorithm, we need a bug for it |
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chris_n |
bug 2500 |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2500 enhancement, P3, ---, cnighswonger, ASSIGNED, Standing enhancement request for adding/updating call number splitting algorithms in C4/Labels.pm |
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chris_n |
if it is a local preference of how a number should be split, I'm not sure what to say |
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* chris_n |
had thought of a syspref allowing custom splitting algorithms |
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chris_n |
but they are regexps which are not for the faint of heart |
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nengard |
chris_n that's what I thought - that this was not something that needed to be fixed |
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nengard |
that it was the right way to split and they had a preference of their own |
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* chris_n |
would like feedback on such a syspref mentioned above, however |
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gmcharlt |
chris_n: maybe a plugin system tied to classifiction source? |
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chris_n |
nice announcement by software.coop and bywater |
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chris_n |
gmcharlt: good idea |
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chris_n |
I suppose some libraries might have multiple classification systems in use? |
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gmcharlt |
yes |
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gmcharlt |
generally a combination of Dewey or LC and SuDoc (in the States) |
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gmcharlt |
but some libraries are still in the middle of a Dewey to LC reclass |
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chris_n |
I hadn't thought about that... such a system would make transitions much easier as well |
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ronald |
goog morning.... ican enter default date in the worksheets marc? |
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ronald |
fields 001, 003, 005, 008? |
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ronald |
any can help me? |
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ronald |
i can enter default dates in the worksheets marc, fields 001, 003, 005,008? |
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nengard |
chris_n - it's all about collaboration and working together :) |
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nengard |
as for the preference ... i'd like to see a complete templating engine - like the one in WP - for Koha - for all screens, letters, messages, and lables |
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nengard |
labels |
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Oak |
WP? |
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ronald |
i can enter default dates in the worksheets marc, fields 001, 003, 005,008? |
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Oak |
ronald, can you? |
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nengard |
WordPress |
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Oak |
aah |
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* chris_n |
adds the beginning of an RFC and opens a enh req |
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fcapo |
What does the "ext" mean in a ccl search query? ex: 'Heading,ext=Search Terms' . Can't seem to find any references about ccl search queries... |
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chris_n |
extent, maybe? |
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ronald |
how i can enter default dates in the worksheets marc, field 001. 003. 005, 008? |
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wizzyrea |
oo, that is a nice announcement from bywater nand software.coop |
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wizzyrea |
software.coop++ bywater++ |
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ronald |
how i can enter default dates in the worksheets marc, field 001. 003. 005, 008? |
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Oak |
I am installing Koha 3.00.06.010 on Slackware 13.1. What does this step mean sudo ln -s /etc/koha/koha-httpd.conf /etc/apache2/sites-available/koha when on Slackware there is not /etcapache2 folder. There is an /etc/httpd folder but no 'sites-available ' sub-folder in it. |
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jcamins |
Oak: I think that's Debian specific. |
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jcamins |
Is there a conf.d folder? |
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Oak |
in /etc/httpd ? nope. |
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jcamins |
Hm. |
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Oak |
there is /etc/httpd/extra |
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Oak |
with lots of .conf files in it |
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Oak |
11 .conf files actually |
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jcamins |
http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/D[…]yout#Slackware_12.0.2B-_.28Apache_httpd_2.2.29: |
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Oak |
ooh thanks |
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jcamins |
Lots of people compiling Apache from scratch on Slackware. |
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chris |
slef is right, nz privacy laws prevent us publishing a list since we didnt ask permission |
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sekjal is now known as sekjal_a |
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chris |
in fact we said |
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chris |
" By completing this form and registering for KohaCon10, you consent to the organisors of KohaCon10 contacting you via email to keep you up to date with any change in details about the conference and to confirm your attendance. We will never, ever, pass on your details to anyone else. Your information will be used to manage your registration at this conference only. " |
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chris |
under nz privacy law, information can only be used for the purpose for which it was obtained |
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chris |
without a court order of course :) |
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nengard |
oh well |
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cait |
hi #kopha |
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cait |
koha |
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chris |
hi cait |
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cait |
hi chris :) |
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chris |
nengard and others with android phones, did you see the wellington bus app thingy? |
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cait |
bought new suitcase and backpack - ready for packing now ) |
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nengard |
chris - no i didn't |
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chris |
cait: excellent :) |
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cait |
no trying to reprogram my father's internet radio |
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cait |
hmpf! |
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chris |
ahh coveritlive will have caught it |
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chris |
www.kohacon10.org.nz/live/ |
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chris |
thought it might be useful |
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chris_n |
nengard: do you know if there is a document anywhere describing the role of Documentation Manager? |
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* chris_n |
is moving pages from the old wiki :) |
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fcapo |
Anybody know the difference between the Heading and the Match-heading bib-1 attributes? |
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chris_n |
I think this is pretty well up to date now: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Release_Teams |
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chris_n |
feel free to move/add as needed |
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nengard |
chris_n -- not that i know of - i pretty much just said - hey we need a manual, let me write that |
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nengard |
and got the role :) |
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chris_n |
nengard: sometime if you have time (HA!) maybe you can write up something for future generations of document managers :) |
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nengard |
chris said the job was mine til i dropped dead .... |
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nengard |
so i think i have a while before i have to write that :) hehe |
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nengard |
but yeah, makes sense |
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chris_n |
then may nengard live forever ;-) |
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chris |
well yeah, i dont see too many people volunteering :) |
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chris |
like mason said |
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cait |
nengard++ for being doc manager :) |
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cait |
one day I will perhaps have time (HA!) to translate the manual... |
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chris_n |
cait++ # for the hope of a german manual |
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cait |
oh, this is not earned yet |
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chris_n |
consider it encouragement and anticipation :) |
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cait |
but my coworker wrote some training materials for serials and acq that we want to put on our wiki |
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chris |
ok i hear little feet running round, time to get up |
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chris |
bbl |
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chris_n |
look out! |
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Oak |
damn it, looks like koha was made for Debian only |
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fcapo |
I think I solved my problem with link_bibs_to_authorities.pl ... had to modify C4/Heading.pm , dunno if it's the best solution, but my bibs are linked to my authorities now |
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fcapo |
Changed the 'Match-heading' to 'Heading' in the query, and commented all the 'ifs' in |
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fcapo |
_query_limiters |
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jcamins |
Oak: it will work under other OSes, it's just difficult. |
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chris_n |
Oak: Koha has been installed on debian, fedora, opensuse, ubuntu, and others no doubt |
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gmcharlt |
fcapo: what MARC flavor are you using? |
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chris_n |
Oak: see http://git.koha-community.org/[…]p=koha.git;a=tree |
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chris_n |
Oak: I have it running on XP as well fwiw |
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fcapo |
gmcharlt: MARC21 |
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fcapo |
also, there were some FIXME comments in the _query_limiters lines I commented: # FIXME -- is this properly in C4::Heading::MARC21? |
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Oak |
I'm just tired, will try again tomorrow ... |
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Oak |
thanks jcamins, chris_n |
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jcamins |
Oak: where does the installation get bogged down? |
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* chris_n |
remembers the frustration of his first Koah install |
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chris_n |
Koha, even |
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* jcamins |
too. |
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Oak |
I keep getting Forbidden on 127 |
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Oak |
127.0.0.1:8080 |
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Oak |
I must be not configuring Virtual Hosts properly |
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chris_n |
sounds like permissions problems |
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jcamins |
My guess is you need to change the permissions. |
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jcamins |
chgrp -R www * |
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jcamins |
(or whatever the proper group is) |
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Oak |
hmm |
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Oak |
ok |
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gmcharlt |
fcapo: did you choose DOM or GRS-1 mode for indexing the authorities when you installed? |
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fcapo |
That I don't know, it wasn't me who installed it |
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gmcharlt |
by the way, to answer your other question - Match-heading is a specially constructed index type for looking up headings and matching on subdivisions correctly |
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fcapo |
good to know |
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fcapo |
Still, Match-heading always returns 0 results for me |
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gmcharlt |
fcapo: what does the <config> element in <server id="authorityserver" ...> in your koha-conf.xml say? |
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cait |
jcamins: I see that analytical records came up on the mailing list again - do you think my solution is sufficient for these things? |
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fcapo |
<config>/home/koha/.../etc/zebradb/zebra-authorities.cfg</config> |
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gmcharlt |
k, that means that GRS-1 was chosen during install when DOM should have been |
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gmcharlt |
changing the reference from zebra-authorities.cfg to zebra-authorities-dom.cfg |
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Oak |
good night |
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gmcharlt |
and retrieval-info-auth-grs1.xml to retrieval-info-auth-dom.xml |
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gmcharlt |
restarting Zebra |
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fcapo |
reverting my changes and trying with DOM |
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gmcharlt |
and running rebuild_zebra.pl -a -r shoudl fix it |
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jcamins |
cait: yes, I think so. |
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cait |
jcamins: ok - perhaps time to comment on the wiki. |
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cait |
I wanted to upload my test records too, did yo have time to look at them? I think 2 authorities crept in. |
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jcamins |
cait: I haven't had a lot of time yet. |
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reva |
hi all, I am having a record with a series statement in 490 ($a, $v) and series added 830($a, $v). The 490 is showing fine in staff Normal view. But neither the 490 nor the 830 or showing int the OPAC Normal view. Any ideas why? |
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jcamins |
I do plan to spend more time on it, though. |
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cait |
jcamins: no problem, you already took a lot of time looking at it |
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cait |
jcamins++ |
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reva |
that was supposed to be "neither the 490 nor the 830 are" |
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jcamins |
It might need a little more tweaking with the way it handles LDR/07=c and LDR/07=d, but the concepts will cover everything, I think. |
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jcamins |
(because records with LDR/07=c might need to be treated specially, almost like a set) |
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fcapo |
gmcharlt: hum... now I can't find any authorities |
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gmcharlt |
anything in the zebrasrv logs? |
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fcapo |
gmcharlt: where are they normally? |
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gmcharlt |
ps -ef | grep zebrasrv will likely tell you where they are you on your system |
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cait |
jcamins: what is 07 c? |
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cait |
oh, will look it up |
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fcapo |
gmcharlt: There doesn't seem to be any recent error |
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gmcharlt |
and no error messages when you ran rebuild_zebra? |
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fcapo |
nope |
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jcamins |
cait: collection. |
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jcamins |
cait: and LDR/07=d is subunit. |
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cait |
jcamins: thank you! I am not sure whe have these in our data, but I can ask my coworker when I am back |
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cait |
jcamins: we have a project with manuscripts and koha planned too |
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cait |
jcamins: perhaps it will be used in this context? |
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jcamins |
Yup. |
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jcamins |
At least, that's the context when it would be used, if it were. |
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jcamins |
I think. |
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jcamins |
I'm a bibliographer, not an archivist. ;) |
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reva |
Anyone has an answer for why neither my series statement (490) nor my series added entry (83) are showing on OPAC Normal view? |
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cait |
jcamins: you are great - not important if you are a bibliographer or archivist ;) |
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jcamins |
:) |
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jcamins |
I do my best. |
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fcapo |
gmcharlt: ok, zebrasrv wasn't started, now search works, testing link_bibs_to_authorities.pl |
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* jcamins |
waits with bated breath to hear what fcapo has to say. |
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fcapo |
83 bibs modified... let's see... |
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fcapo |
every authority still has 0 biblios :/ looks like it unlinked them |
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jcamins |
fcapo: that's disappointing. Could it be that you need to wait another few minutes for the Zebra indexer to catch up? |
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fcapo |
well, the search does return some results now, maybe it worked... |
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chris_n |
fcapo: you could re-run rebuild_zebra.pl with the -r option to drop and rebuild the indexes completely |
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fcapo |
chris_n: I'll try that. link_bibs_to_authorities.pl does link some authorities, just a small amount. |
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* chris_n |
imagines you should completely rebuild the indexes after running that script |
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fcapo |
wait... it works! |
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chris |
Back |
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jcamins |
\o/ |
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chris_n |
w00t! |
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jcamins |
Wow. Is that message correct, or is the version a typo? |
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fcapo |
So, the solution really was to use DOM instead of GSR-1. Thank you gmcharlt and everyone that helped :D |
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* jcamins |
will have to ask ByWater what we're using, now that it turns out works when you have DOM enabled. |
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jcamins |
*turns out that link_bibs_to_authorities.pl works |
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fcapo |
well, it now works for me without any modification |
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chris |
Oh poor ahmed |
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chris |
He's in for a treat |
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chris |
He'll need to do 3 upgrades |
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chris_n |
can you spell "antique"? |
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jcamins |
o-n-e-p-o-i-n-t-a-n-y-t-h-i-n-g? |
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chris |
I have a soft spot for 1.2.3 |
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chris |
And anyone who has been using koha since then, is cool with me |
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jcamins |
I'm sure it was a great version, but upgrading from that sounds painful. |
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chris |
Yep |
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sekjal_a |
we just need a version-inversion script: 1.2.3 to 3.2.1 |
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chris |
Heh |
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chris |
The hard bit is 2.2 to 3.0 actually |
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chris |
1.2 to 2.0 and then to 2.2 is not so bad |
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chris |
But 2.2 to 3.0 had some major changes in db |
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chris |
Ill try to write an email when I get to work, and then wiki it |
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chris_n |
maybe we can have $my_koha->upgrade |
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chris |
jcamins: 1.2.3 was the last one with a working simple catalogue interface |
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jcamins |
I guess that'll be quite an adjustment, switching to the MARC21 interface. |
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jcamins |
I don't think my simple cataloging interface is going to be done in the next few weeks. |
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jcamins |
Is there any way to force subfield 9s to be editable? |
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* chris_n |
seems to recall it has to do with authorities |
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jcamins |
Yep. |
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jcamins |
It provides the link. |
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chris_n |
I think you have to change the mapping... or some such |
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jcamins |
I'm looking at our duplicate authority records. |
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chris_n |
its been awhile |
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* chris_n |
is only a cataloger in a hackish sort of sense |
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chris |
:) |
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jcamins |
Wait... |
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jcamins |
Achaemenid dynasty, 559-330 B.C. is not a personal name. |
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jcamins |
That's not even a family name. |
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chris_n |
to say the least |
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jcamins |
jQuery? |
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jcamins |
Never mind. |
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chris_n |
are you just wanting to change it in one record? |
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chris_n |
you could use firebug to unlock the field |
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jcamins |
No, just trying to figure out the most efficient way to de-dup authority records. |
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jcamins |
I've decided that's not the most efficient way, though. |
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chris |
Hmm I there's an open bug for that I think? |
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richard |
hi |
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jcamins |
Oh, here's fcapo's problem. Bug 3072. |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3072 major, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, 'Heading-Main' authority-index breaks authority searching in STABLE |
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jcamins |
And bug 5271 is for an in-Koha authority merge. |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5271 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Should be able to merge authority records from w/in Koha |
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jcamins |
Oh, I should check out bug 4309, see if it still works. |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4309 enhancement, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW, Authorities : Multiple values search leads to Error 500 |
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jcamins |
And figure out how to fix bug 3343. |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3343 minor, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW, duplicate subfields in authority |
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* jcamins |
looks at his to-do list and weeps |
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chris_n |
wow, if bug 3072 is verifiable in HEAD/3.2, it should be updated to reflect that and fixed in the RC imho |
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chris |
My stop bbiab |
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reva |
jcamins, The personal names would be Darius and Xerxes, correct? Now, can someone tell me how I would turn the 830 field to show in OPAC Normal view?:) |
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jcamins |
chris_n: apparently it only affects Zebra with GRS-1. |
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jcamins |
Errr, that was a question. |
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chris_n |
it should still be updated to reflect the current HEAD and probably that information added as well |
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jcamins |
I don't have any spare servers I can use GRS on, so I will have to recuse myself from being the tester. |
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jcamins |
It might be a different problem that fcapo ran into, although it looks pretty similar. |
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fcapo |
my problem was about a Match-heading I changed into Heading, not Heading-main |
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jcamins |
Oh, my mistake. |
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jcamins |
Sorry, false alarm. |
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jcamins |
Both "main" and "match" start with "ma-." |
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jcamins |
;) |
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fcapo |
:D |
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chris_n |
jcamins must have his "fuzzy" search filter on ;-) |
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jcamins |
chris_n: of course. I'm looking through our authorities for duplicates, after all. ;) |
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chris_n |
lol |
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jcamins |
I have the feeling I did this already. |
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chris |
back |
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jcamins |
There are way fewer duplicates than anticipated. |
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reva |
Bug: in 830 series added entry, authority is storing the $v subfield; (and it stores it with an auto-generated label " v".) This should not be as one would want only the Series added title (an uniform title for the series series), not the part label and number when creating new records for other parts in the series. |
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chris_n |
reva: please file a bug @ bugs.koha-community.org |
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reva |
sure; now can you chris_n tell me how I can make 830 display in my OPAC Normal view? |
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chris_n |
reva: sorry |
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chris_n |
not off the top of my head |
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reva |
ok; if you can find out sometime I will check back. Thanks. |
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chris_n |
reva: you can check the manual http://koha-community.org/documentation/ |
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chris_n |
that will be the quicker than waiting on me :-) |
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reva |
I will, chris_n.:) |
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jcamins |
Meeting time. |
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chris |
oh wow! |
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chris |
new katipo website |
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richard |
a bit prettier |
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chris |
i likes it |
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chris |
http://katipo.co.nz/ |
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darling |
nice |
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jim__ |
Hello all |
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chris |
hi jim__ |
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jim__ |
I'm working on installing, using the instructions at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]0_on_Debian_Lenny |
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chris |
for production use or evaluation? |
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jim__ |
I'm at step 2.3 and when I try to issue the misc/sax_parser_print.pl command I get this: |
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jim__ |
Can't locate object method "new" via package "XML::libXML::SAX::Parser" at /usr/share/perl5/XML/SAX/ParserFactory.pm line 43. |
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jim__ |
Any ideas? |
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jim__ |
everything has gone swimmingly thus far |
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chris |
hmm sounds like that module isnt installed correctly |
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chris |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]on_Debian_Squeeze <-- there are debian packages for squeeze |
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jim__ |
so the deb squeeze package will work on deb lenny? |
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jim__ |
and, I'm using koha 3.00.06 |
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chris |
right, for production? or is it going to go live in a little while |
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jim__ |
it's a tester right now |
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chris |
because 3.2 has a release candidate out, and final release is pretty close |
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robin |
the squeeze packages won't work on lenny without some extra work |
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chris |
so it might be worth going straight to 3.2 |
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jim__ |
I may do that |
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chris |
even if you dont use the packages |
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chris |
the INSTALL.debian file |
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robin |
also, squeeze has a release candidate, and final release is pretty soon :) |
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chris |
in the git repo, has good instructions |
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jim__ |
guess I'll wait on this a bit. |
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chris |
http://git.koha-community.org/[…];f=INSTALL.debian |
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chris |
if you use the packages you can just apt-get upgrade when the final release hits ;) |
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robin |
for a testing setup, I'd strongly encourage doing squeeze+packages, as they'll both be stable and supported for a long while pretty soon. |
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jim__ |
thanks chris & robin |
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chris |
no problem |
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chris_n1 |
http://tinyurl.com/3aoxo84 <<<< very cool story |
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chris |
it sure is |
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chris |
hi LBA |
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LBA |
Hi Chris, and all! |
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chris |
whats new? |
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just over here working on my little part in subverting the dominant paradigm |
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chris |
:) |
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