IRC log for #koha, 2010-09-16

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01:56 chris_n heya jo
02:05 chris_n chris: how soon will you have your TT branch up?
02:23 chris sorry in meetings
02:23 chris baack in a bit
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02:49 chris chris_n: im hoping to get it up in early october
02:50 chris what we are working on is a script to convert templates
02:50 chris so we dont have to stall development
02:51 chris_n thanks; that's sort of what I was wondering about
02:52 * chris_n is contemplating another large chuck of work on the label tool
02:52 chris sweet
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03:50 Amit heya koha
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05:37 robin /home/robin/ needed to create '/var/lib/koha/library/authorities/shadow'
05:37 robin /home/robin/ found zebra server directories: forcing a rebuild
05:37 robin that's going to save issues when zebra breaks and it takes me forever to figure out why
05:38 robin only, the second message needs the word 'broken' in there
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06:02 cait hi #koha
06:09 robin hi
06:09 cait hi robin :)
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06:14 cait guten morgen magnus
06:14 magnus god morgen, cait
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06:20 ivanc good morning #koha
06:23 magnus good morning ivanc
06:23 ivanc hi magnus
06:27 cait hi ivanc
06:27 cait europe is waking up
06:27 ivanc guten morgen cait :)
06:27 ivanc yep
06:28 ivanc cait today is the day of my presentation
06:28 cait oh, good luck!
06:29 ivanc cait tnks!
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06:29 cait when is it?
06:29 ivanc cait 10:00
06:30 cait ok, will cross my fingers then :)
06:30 ivanc cait me too :D
06:32 cait won't this look a bit strange? :)
06:34 ivanc is only a bit of fear ...
06:35 cait tell them 1039 other libraries can't be so wrong ;)
06:37 ivanc I've no doubt about the quality of your work
06:45 cait ok, time for work
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06:55 hdl hi koha
06:58 ivanc hi hdl
06:58 magnus hi hdl
06:59 magnus ...alex_a and francharb
06:59 francharb hi magnus
06:59 alex_a hi magnus
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07:14 kf hi again #koha
07:14 ivanc hi kf
07:16 ivanc ok time to go bye #koha
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07:19 chris evening
07:20 kf hi chris
07:27 chris hows things in deutschland?
07:35 magnus busy, by the looks of it? ;-)
07:44 kf hm?
07:44 * kf looks up from her work
07:48 kf meeting in 5
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08:43 Braedon @wunder auckland
08:43 munin Braedon: The current temperature in Auckland, New Zealand is 13.0�C (8:00 PM NZST on September 16, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Rising).
08:43 chris @wunder wellington nz
08:43 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 11.0�C (8:00 PM NZST on September 16, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.36 in 994 hPa (Steady).
08:43 chris storm still hasnt hit
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08:43 Braedon indeed
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08:43 Braedon was quite nice this evening after all the rain this morning up here
08:44 Braedon hopefully it won't be too bad tomorrow morning
08:44 chris yeah
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08:44 magnus @wunder bodo, norway
08:44 munin magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 12.0�C (10:20 AM CEST on September 16, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Pressure: 29.18 in 988 hPa (Steady).
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08:49 Braedon i love how anyone checking the weather triggers a flurry of others doing the same :)
08:49 chris heh
08:50 magnus it's contaigious
08:51 magnus (or something that sounds similar)
08:51 chris :)
08:51 Braedon infectious
08:52 Braedon insidious
08:52 magnus that'l do it...
08:53 Braedon actually both of those are worse fits than contagious, but they were all i could come up with :P
08:53 magnus "contagious" is what i was aiming for
08:54 magnus (i looked it up ;-)
08:54 Braedon haha, thought the original looked a bit weird
08:54 Braedon but my spelling is awful
08:54 magnus yeah, it didn't feel quite right either...
08:54 Braedon thankfully my client has a spell checker built in
08:55 Braedon just requires a lot of right clicking on underlined words, and remembering to actually read the suggestions correctly
08:56 Braedon almost hit incestuous instead of insidious :)
08:56 magnus oops
08:57 magnus come to think of it, mine (Colloquy) has a spellcheck too...
08:57 Braedon i just use empathy so i don't have to have separate GTalk and IRC clients running
08:58 Braedon has a few idiosyncrasies though
08:58 Braedon like dropping all your IRC connections if you focus on a window with a too large log
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09:01 Topic for #koha is now reminder: send nengard koha newsletter articles/tips/tricket/news/ etc ASAP!
09:02 chris telstraclear has been pretty unreliable lately
09:02 magnus and then you use an irc client to connect to bip?
09:02 chris yup
09:02 magnus i thought maybe irssi + screen on the server...
09:02 chris yeah i do that for my work irc
09:03 magnus so you have bip + irssi + screen?
09:03 chris yeah, cos then i can connect to bip from my phone
09:04 magnus you crazy techie you! ;-)
09:04 chris my work irc is behind a firewall, so just screen + irssi
09:04 chris and a direct connection to the work irc server
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09:04 chris then connections to bip for other servers
09:04 LUMHS hi all
09:05 LUMHS I want to install koha on debian-lenny
09:05 chris luckily there is an INSTALL.debian file that tells you how to do that :)
09:06 LUMHS When I want to install debian, it did not detect the ethernet device
09:06 chris ahh you probably need to go to a #debian channel or something then
09:07 LUMHS chris: what is the url of #debian channel?
09:07 chris i dont know off the top of my head, but google will
09:08 chris
09:08 Braedon
09:08 chris and yep, it did
09:11 LUMHS chris..  I could not access  these channels
09:11 LUMHS could u give me favour...
09:14 LUMHS any body help me
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09:22 LUMHS I have problem of network device
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09:25 magnus LUMHS: the lack of response probably indicates that noone here feels up to the challenge of your question. #debian on has been suggested as a better venue. try[…]
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11:23 chris_n hi sekjal
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11:38 sekjal morning, chris_n
11:38 sekjal sorry, was getting some breakfast in the kitchen
11:39 kf_mtg hi chris_n and sekjal :)
11:40 sekjal hi, kf_mtg
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11:41 kf_mtg ah
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11:42 chris_n heya kf
11:43 hdl hi chris_n
11:43 * chris_n greets hdl
11:43 kf hi hdl
11:44 hdl hi all
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12:10 kf sekjal, robin: I think my patch for bug 5090 covers 5081 too
12:10 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5090 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, NEW, New order from empty record does not save publication year and ISBN
12:10 kf bug 5081
12:10 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5081 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, ASSIGNED, When manually entering book details, the ISBN gets lost
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12:11 kf chris already signed off on it - but I changed the template
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12:11 ivanc ki #koha
12:11 kf so I think perhaps your patch will perhaps make it break again
12:11 ivanc s/k/h/
12:11 sekjal kf: doubling up on fixes as broken stuff before, yes
12:12 sekjal I'm getting a software error every time I save the new order
12:12 sekjal something about the XML
12:12 kf yep
12:13 kf it's the xml parser
12:13 kf you have to change a conf file or something to use the right parser
12:13 kf sekjal: I made a comment on bug 5081
12:13 sekjal kf: got it
12:13 kf sekjal: chris guided me - I am not sure what I exactly did
12:13 sekjal I'll add your patch for 5090 to my queue for signoffs
12:14 kf sekjal: sure, take a look at it :) took me some time to figure things out. chris signed off and think it's in production for hlt.
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12:17 owen Someone oughta change the topic
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12:23 owen Hi collum
12:29 kf owen: it will be up to date again very soon :)
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12:41 collum Hi owen and kf
12:48 owen sekjal++ # for signoffs
12:48 kf hi collum :)
12:50 sekjal owen++ for providing good bugfixes
12:50 sekjal fredericd++, too
12:51 sekjal and robin++
12:51 sekjal and hdl++
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12:56 sekjal I'm working on organizing my git repo to keep better track of the statuses of all the branches
12:57 owen Ugh. Just got a copyright violation notice from the MPAA because of someone bittorrenting from inside the library
12:57 sekjal ugh
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13:07 nengard yikes
13:08 nengard and hi from breakfast in KY
13:09 kf hi nengard
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13:23 owen I love it when my staff tells me "the internet is down, but it's okay Koha still works." Where do they think Koha is anyway?
13:25 kf in the cloud?
13:25 Topic for #koha is now Topic for #koha is Koha ILS | Don't ask to ask, just ask! | |
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13:43 * collum waves to nengard down the Ohio River and recommends the Glassworks tour.
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13:48 nengard collum i wish i could go, but i'm stuck with a walker right now and it's too hard to do any touring
13:50 druthb nengard:  Saw your fb post about "accessibility" at airports. Believe:  ADA has made it vastly better than it was before.  As nightmarish as it is, it used to be worse.
13:52 nengard druthb I know! it's just that I'm having a new appreciation for those who have to live this way - i will never ever forget to open the door for someone in need
13:52 nengard or assume that someone doesn't need help
13:52 druthb :)
13:52 nengard also keep in mind - this is so new to me that I'm a real wimp - I broke a sweat walking to the bathroom cause I'm so weka
13:52 nengard weak
13:52 nengard my arms aren't used to carrying my whole body :) hehe
13:53 druthb Oh, I am out of shape for that, too.  I'd not done it in years and years when I was at ALA--I saw a picture of me t'other day...   very, very scary.
13:54 brendan morning all
13:54 nengard morning
13:54 * druthb shudders to think how badly TSA would abuse disabled travelers, if the ADA wasn't there as a brake on them.
13:54 druthb hi, brendan! :)
13:54 owen ADA is a good refutation of the pro-business folks who say the market will take care of it
13:54 nengard druthb yeah - when I say i can't walk on my own they look at me like i'm lying ... i know i look healthy and all - but don't you think i'd rather walk through the metal detector than have some strange woman feeling me up?
14:00 * sekjal thinks its time to make the second press of coffee
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14:01 owen What is it with the complaints about "personally hostile attacks" in response to Yokley's message?
14:01 owen I guess bystanders don't see how much of Yokley's message is a hostile attack.
14:05 owen I don't think that justifies a counterattack, but I think pointed questions are warranted.
14:05 owen And I don't think "Yay, let's be friends" is prudent given the history
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14:17 sekjal owen: do you have a test record with a 650$t that you used for testing bug 5222?
14:17 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5222 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, 650 t not showing with xslt on
14:17 owen sekjal: No, I just added a $t to an existing record
14:18 sekjal I'm noticing that 650$t isn't even in the MARC framework
14:19 owen Ah, you know, it wasn't 650, it was 600
14:19 sekjal yeah, $t isn't part of the standard for 650, according to
14:20 sekjal I feel less crazy now
14:20 owen I didn't even register the inconsistency, I just rolled with it :)
14:22 sekjal okay, so I can confirm that your patch fixes field 600$t in XSLT display
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14:23 briceSanc hello
14:24 briceSanc is there a function to compare two times in Perl ?
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14:36 kf sekjal: I have a list of patches taht need to be signed-of... would you perhaps take a look at it?
14:37 sekjal kf: sure thing
14:37 kf[…]id=koha:dev:start
14:38 kf I use this wiki for my distance study - and to track my patches :)
14:38 sekjal kf: nice
14:38 sekjal I'm working on instituting more descriptive branch names: <status>-<content> being the basic format
14:39 sekjal <status> being things like wip, pub, qa and so
14:39 kf I do something like ps (patch send) bug_number_content
14:39 sekjal content often being bug####, but other names for devs apply, too
14:39 kf ps_bug_5090_isbn_year_new_order
14:40 brendan make test
14:40 brendan :D
14:40 brendan wrong window
14:40 briceSanc is there a function to compare two times in Perl ?
14:41 kf briceSanc: perhaps change the question instead of repeating it ;) - and I don't know
14:42 sekjal briceSanc: do you mean like X < $var < Y ?
14:44 briceSanc kf, i'm not english so my questions may be poorly worded (I apologize!) - thank you for responding
14:44 sekjal kf: are the patches you need sign off on the ones marked 'OPEN'?
14:45 kf yep
14:45 kf open = patch send
14:45 sekjal ok.  I'll try to work in testing of those soon
14:45 briceSanc sekjal, I mean $openingTime < $closingTime
14:45 kf chris started at the top, not sure if he wanted to do more
14:45 briceSanc sekjal, $openingTime = 10:00 and $closingTime = 18:00
14:47 sekjal briceSanc: you could do a straight compare if you formatted the numbers as pure integers
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14:50 briceSanc sekjal, That's what I thought to do if there was not already created function
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14:51 sekjal briceSanc: no function for it that I know
14:53 briceSanc sekjal, okay :), thanks Ian (I'm working on Checkout by Hour, I've update the calendar to accept opening and closing Hours, I hope that my customer would like to release the source code !)
14:54 sekjal I hope so, too!
14:59 sekjal kf: signed off on one owen already did for you... but mostly because I wanted to get the fix loaded on my system
15:00 kf oh, and I forgot to note owen on my list
15:00 kf thx sekjal!
15:00 kf sekjal++
15:00 owen An exciting prize goes to whoever fixes Bug 2142 in time for 3.2
15:01 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2142 critical, P2, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, maxItemsInSearchResults No longer used
15:03 * chris_n pauses for a moment
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15:12 sekjal owen: what's the current misbehaviour like for 2142?
15:13 owen In OPAC search results there's the "availability line"
15:13 owen Availability:  Copies available:  Athens (1),
15:13 sekjal right
15:13 owen If there is no maxItemsInSearchResults preference specified Koha defaults to 1
15:14 owen So even if there are 100 items available at different branches, Koha will only show Athens (1)
15:14 owen I don't know what was behind the elimination of the maxItemsInSearchResults pref, but both the OPAC and the staff client search results check for it (it's in I believe)
15:15 sekjal yes, it's doubly defined in the searchResults subroutine
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15:18 * owen wonders if Harley has maxItemsInSearchResults
15:20 sekjal so, the desired behaviour would be for Koha to behave as if there were no maximum?
15:21 owen sekjal: The original intention of the preference was to limit the number of items in the display because some libraries have 100s of items on one record.
15:21 owen That's why I find it mysterious that it was removed... Was something else done to mitigate the problem? I don't know.
15:22 owen In my library it doesn't matter--no maximum would work fine for us because we never have that many items.
15:22 owen But I don't think that works for everyone.
15:23 sekjal right, but now the behaviour is to just provide a number of how many items are available, on loan or otherwise at any given branch
15:23 sekjal the complete details aren't displayed
15:23 owen True. Then I don't know what the purpose is I guess
15:24 owen Libraries with 100s of branches?
15:24 * owen shrugs
15:25 sekjal testing in my XSLT-enabled OPAC:  a title with 3 copies at two different branches shows the branch, callnumber and (1) for the first branch, and branch and (2) for the second
15:26 sekjal the XSLT-enabled staff client says 3 copies available, but only lists the first one (with itemtype icon, branch, shelving location, callnumber and (1))
15:27 owen The bug doesn't show itself in the OPAC if XSLT is on
15:28 sekjal ah
15:28 sekjal misread the report
15:29 sekjal okay, yeah, the staff client would blow up if the maximum was removed, at least how it's currently configured
15:29 sekjal it doesn't sum the results by branch
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15:31 sekjal and similarly, so does not the OPAC when XSLT is off
15:31 sekjal hmmm, fun
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16:30 mib_5kdfp it possible to create SQL reports in Koha with variable inputs? That is, ask a user to enter a date or date range before running a report?
16:32 hdl mib_5kdfp: yes.
16:32 hdl mib_5kdfp: a patch from paul_p added that feature.
16:33 mib_5kdfp it available readily?
16:33 hdl But maybe that patch was not applied anf pushed.
16:34 hdl mib_5kdfp: yes in 3.2
16:34 hdl 7d8b369ba4066d485e5aa7739b1b073f0db80b45
16:35 hdl (commit id
16:35 hdl )
16:36 mib_5kdfp thanks
16:38 tim I'm trying to export marc records using the itemcallnumber range on koha 3 and not getting anything.  Is there a wildcard that should be used with it?
16:40 owen I get the same results tim, a zero-byte file
16:42 owen It doesn't even matter if you put actual full itemcallnumbers in those fields
16:42 owen Still fails.
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16:44 tim Thanks owen.  At least I know it's not something I did wrong.
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16:49 owen tim: Are you filing a bug report or should I?
16:50 tim You're probably better at it than I am, but I could give it a shot.
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16:56 jcamins Does Debian only run items in init.d that have an extension of .sh.
16:56 jcamins *?
16:56 jcamins That was supposed to be a question.
16:58 tim jcamins, they just need to have execute permission.
17:02 jcamins Hm.
17:02 jcamins I wonder why Zebra doesn't start when my computer boots.
17:04 brendan you need to walk and feed him ;)
17:04 tim I filed bug report about the export problem owen.  #5230.
17:04 owen Bug 5230
17:04 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5230 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, MARC export by call number range results in a zero byte file
17:05 owen Thanks tim. A couple of things: It should be "normal" not "enhancement." And you need some basic comments describing the problem
17:06 tim I figured I'd skip some important fields.
17:06 tim Fixing it now.
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17:14 tim I hope my detail isn't too confusing.
17:16 tim Is there a way to modify that without just adding it to the comments?
17:17 chris chris_n++
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17:40 jcamins chris_n++
17:42 cait jcamins: do you have the link to your famous curry... cookies at hand?
17:43 jcamins cait:[…]ate-chip-cookies/
17:43 jcamins Never go anywhere without it. ;)
17:43 cait great! thank you :)
17:44 jcamins Are you going to make them?
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17:51 cait I will, but this time I need the recipe as a present
17:52 cait I told my coworker about your famous cookie recipe, he was very interested and I am invited to his birthday party this weekend
17:52 jcamins Ah.
17:52 jcamins :)
18:16 chris did anyone go to the ptfs/liblime webinar thingy?
18:16 * chris_n didn't know there was one
18:19 chris yeah, they sent out emails to people
18:19 chris was on today if i remember right
18:20 sekjal ah, yes, at 11am Eastern
18:20 chris_n is it archived anywhere?
18:21 sekjal email says if you can't make it, don't worry, there will be more
18:23 chris
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18:28 cait response from ptfs on list
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18:29 chris yup
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18:32 jcamins Does anyone have any suggestions on how to find out all the locations that have items?
18:32 jcamins I guess I could do a report.
18:32 cait yes you could :)
18:32 cait select location, count(location) from items group by location
18:32 reva hi all, I was wondering if someone could explain how to set the 3rd dimension {Z} in the predication pattern for serials (for example, vol. no. yr. for a title that is 4/vol.) I tried several combinations, but either it messes up the other two dimensions or shows the same year (i.e., not adding the year). There are no examples with the 3rd dimension filled in. Help?
18:34 reva I meant prediction pattern, not perdicAtion:).
18:34 jcamins We don't use the serials module, sorry.
18:35 reva hi jcamins: thanks. But anyone else logged in who knows the answer?
18:38 jwagner jcamins, I pecked some more at Bug 3782 yesterday.  I still can't get the settings you use to work.  Could you maybe verify your Perl version for me?  (type perl -v at the system prompt)  Since it's complaining about a perl module, not one under C4, I'm wondering if it's a version difference.
18:38 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3782 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, delivered z39.50 targets wrong for NY Public Library and NY University Library
18:39 chris cait: responded i think a meeting in 2 weeks would be too rushed, but the wiki is a great place to start the discussions, like chris_n said .. it is good that communicaton is open
18:40 cait yeah, I really like taht change
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18:41 cait chris: I do not see your mail yet
18:43 chris hmm
18:43 chris weird
18:44 chris sent it 9 mins ago
18:45 jcamins The items in our catalog represent 63 ccodes.
18:45 jcamins That is definitely excessive.
18:46 jcamins I mean, not compared to the number of ccodes that aren't represented by items in our collection, but in general, there probably shouldn't be quite so many ccodes.
18:46 chris resending, probably will double up now hehe
18:46 chris cant win :)
18:49 cait the second arrived now :)
18:49 chris cool
18:50 chris i think a meeting would be better after we ahve some idea what there is to talk about
18:50 chris otherwise it could go on forever
18:54 wizzyrea_ yay chris_n
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18:56 chris chris_n++
18:56 chris reasoned as always
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19:02 jcamins jwagner: my Perl version is 5.10.0 built for x86_64-linux-gnu-thread-multi
19:02 jcamins And I've confirmed that the settings work on another server.
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19:11 jwagner jcamins, thanks.  That's the same as on a couple of my servers.  Sigh.
19:19 jcamins It also works on ByWater's servers.
19:19 jwagner I'm wondering about the particular .pm file now
19:19 jcamins Koha versions and respectively.
19:19 jcamins MARC::Charset 0.98 on both.
19:20 jwagner Yep, Koha version doesn't matter -- I've tried it on multiple servers/versions.  The error is always Wide character in null operation at /usr/share/perl5/MARC/Charset/ line 96
19:20 chris on all records?
19:20 jwagner Maybe our install of is different?
19:20 jcamins What's your standard search?
19:20 chris_n corrupt data?
19:20 jwagner No, just the NYU z39.50 connection.  What works for jcamins fails for me.
19:20 chris yeah
19:20 chris mysql settings?
19:21 chris whenever you see that error
19:21 chris its always to do with encoding problems
19:21 chris_n what are your settings jcamins?
19:21 jwagner where do I look for the encoding settings?
19:21 jcamins For MySQL?
19:21 jcamins UTF-8.
19:21 chris something being double encoded, or not unencoded, or marc8 being treated as utf8 etc
19:22 chris_n jcamins: for that z server
19:22 jcamins Oh.
19:22 jcamins Z39.50 Server: NEW YORK UNIVERSITY LIBRARIES
19:22 jwagner in the z39.50 setup, it's MARC21/USMARC and MARC-8
19:22 jcamins Hostname:
19:22 jcamins Database:NYU01
19:23 jcamins Userid and password are blank.
19:23 jcamins Checked and rank are both '0'
19:23 jwagner port is 9991?
19:23 jcamins Syntax: MARC21/USMARC
19:23 jcamins jwagner: Yes.
19:23 jcamins Encoding: MARC-8
19:24 jwagner Yep, all of that is exactly what I have, on a wide variety of installs -- can't get it to connect anywhere.  Much puzzled....
19:24 chris its connecting
19:24 chris that error comes from parsing the results
19:24 chris what happens is you get the results, they get stored in the reservior
19:25 chris then displayed, the error is occuring when its trying to parse a marc record
19:25 jwagner Hmmm.  chris, what term did you search on?
19:26 jcamins I searched on "book" and it worked.
19:26 chris none, ive just seen that error before, if its MARC::Charset
19:26 chris then its to do with parsing marc records
19:26 chris its not used for anything else
19:26 jwagner in which search field? Raw(any)?
19:26 * chris_n confirms it works here on the latest HEAD
19:26 jcamins Just duplicated the error!
19:26 jwagner AHA!  I've been searching variants in author & title fields.  searching in the Raw(any) field works.
19:27 jcamins I've just been searching in title.
19:27 jcamins The problem is non-Roman alphabets.
19:27 jwagner That's similar to the problem I had with Smithsonian & why I was recommending dropping them as a default -- they've changed the indexes on their end so much the targeted search boxes wouldn't work.
19:27 jwagner jcamins, non-Roman? I've been searching generic stuff like Harry Potter
19:28 jcamins I can replicate it with Harry Potter, too.
19:28 chris_n in the title field?
19:28 jcamins Yup.
19:28 chris_n dies here too
19:28 chris_n must be corruption in that marc record of the utf8 sort
19:28 jwagner So from what chris is saying, it's actually connecting and doing the search, but something is failing when it tries to parse the results?
19:28 chris_n right
19:29 * jwagner mutters, "well, this is a fine kettle of fish"
19:29 chris_n this is an encoding error of some sort
19:29 chris_n probably the record is utf-8 rather than marc8
19:29 chris_n but that is just a guess
19:29 jwagner So is there any way to compensate for that on the Koha end?
19:30 chris if ppl followed standards
19:30 chris yes
19:30 chris_n I think it would have to be MARC::Charset that did the work
19:30 chris unfortunately they dont
19:30 * chris_n had this problem with a z server in the past
19:30 chris_n there was a bug for it iirc
19:31 * chris_n looks
19:31 jcamins Change the charset to UTF-8.
19:31 jcamins Looks like they're encoding Turkish wrong.
19:32 jcamins (the problem was a German record, but as an aside, looks like they're encoding Turkish wrong)
19:32 jwagner changing that in the z39 setup works -- harry potter search in title retrieves records.
19:33 chris_n I can't find the bug atm
19:33 chris i wonder if my reply will go through this time
19:33 jcamins chris: I got both, in the end.
19:33 chris_n but we did have a round or two about this and decided it was a standards compliance issue on the library's end
19:33 jwagner So what should be the recommended solution?  A patch to change the setting in the default z39.50 setup, or just a note about the problem?
19:33 jcamins chris: got the latest.
19:33 chris ta
19:34 chris_n well, its not really a Koha problem
19:34 chris_n I think we removed the previous offender from the list
19:34 jcamins Change NYU to UTF-8.
19:34 chris jwagner: the problem is, changing it to utf8 works .. until you hit a marc8 record
19:34 jcamins Oh, there are also MARC8 records?
19:34 chris_n yes
19:34 * wizzyrea_ channels atz: make the target ILS fix it!
19:34 jcamins In the same database? Eww.
19:34 jwagner chris_n, you mean remove NYU from the delivered defaults?
19:34 chris jcamins: often, yes
19:35 chris_n jwagner: not NYU, but another
19:35 chris i hope my email made some sense too
19:35 chris_n I can't recall which atm, sorry
19:35 chris i fear an irc meeting now, would just be counterproductive
19:35 chris and probably get bitchy
19:35 chris lets get some ideas down to talk about, then talk about them
19:36 chris setting up foundations isnt something you want to get wrong
19:36 chris its pretty hard to undo if you do
19:36 wizzyrea_ *nod*
19:36 jcamins Well, my suggestion is that we change NYU to UTF-8 for now, and I will ask my mentor, who is on their character sets task force what the deal is.
19:36 jcamins chris: I agree.
19:36 chris thats why im actually leaning towards joining software freedom conservancy, i should write that on the wiki
19:37 chris jcamins: good idea
19:37 wizzyrea_ well and there's all that stuff from when we voted on the hlt stewardship
19:37 chris true, should pull that in too
19:37 wizzyrea_ a lot of this work has already been done
19:37 jwagner OK, I'm updating the bug report to summarize this -- join in if you can amplify.
19:37 chris_n obviously viki has never been around when we have irc meetings on potentially divisive issues like changing the license... :-)
19:38 chris_n can you say "Long" and "non-productive"
19:38 jwagner It's not a major bug in the grand scheme of things, but it's been on my naggy to-do pile for far too long.
19:38 chris chris_n: exacterly!
19:39 chris jwagner: yeah, you should post this to the marc must die website too :-)
19:39 chris_n jwagner: there was some code added to koha's z search to help it error out more gracefully when the remote z server lied about its data
19:39 chris
19:39 jwagner chris_n, when?  I have the same problem with this site on my current head server
19:40 * chris_n looks
19:40 chris bbiab
19:41 wizzyrea_ he's getting fast on that phone lol
19:41 chris_n jwagner:[…]93d24f309b3513cd8
19:42 jwagner That's pretty old, so if it was pushed to head then it's in all of my servers.  Doesn't look like it handles this problem.
19:42 chris_n that's evident :-)
19:42 jwagner I just finds problems, I doesn't solves them :-)
19:43 chris_n the problem with these encoding errors is that they occur in someone else's code
19:43 wizzyrea_ bbiab
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19:43 chris_n so the "try/catch" type error trapping would have to happen there
19:44 chris_n but the real problem is bad data
19:45 chris_n of course we might be able to wrap the call to MARC::Charset in an eval block and trap the error that way in a more graceful fashion
19:45 chris_n but in the end the data is still unusable
19:46 jcamins I guess Z39.50 doesn't preserve the Leader?
19:47 * chris_n doesn't know the answer
19:47 chris_n but I have wondered why M::C would not be able to attempt to determine the encoding type
19:47 jcamins It seems to me that the Leader should still indicate the encoding.
19:48 chris_n unless it is wrong
19:48 jwagner oh well.  A problem for another day.  g'night everyone.
19:49 chris_n bye
19:49 sekjal night, jwagner!
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19:49 jcamins chris_n: true.
19:50 chris_n maybe some error trapping around this might be possible:[…]aa26;hb=HEAD#l228
19:52 chris_n ok, time to head to the feeding trough
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20:01 chris Back
20:02 chris 8 hours til beer o'clock!
20:03 cait lol
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20:04 chris Gotta love friday:)
20:04 larsw chris, heh
20:04 * jcamins is jealous
20:08 chris Anyone got any rails questions, koz is on the bus with me
20:09 chris
20:09 chris Its random and useless facts friday
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20:20 richard hi
20:22 larsw chris, speaking of beer o'clock:[…]feat=embedwebsite#
20:23 chris Ohh cool
20:24 chris Where's that?
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20:25 chris My stop, bbiab
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20:27 larsw chris, I have no idea, I found it on reddit
20:33 jcamins Just out of curiosity, did my message go through?
20:36 cait yep
20:39 chris back
20:40 chris larsw: looks a lot like the one down on level 4 eh
20:40 larsw yeah
20:41 jcamins Well, I hope all the good karma from my Pledge isn't negated by offering an opinion on this divisive topic. :)
20:42 jcamins Ugh! That's a terrible sentence.
20:42 chris i think it just serves to increase it
20:42 * jcamins thinks he might be more tired than he realized... no matter how he tries to rephrase it, that sentence refuses to become balanced and parallel.
20:43 cait speaking of tired
20:43 cait bed time
20:43 cait good night all :)
20:43 jcamins Good night.
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20:46 jcamins Time to close up for the night.
20:46 chris night jcamins
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21:00 jo Good morning
21:01 wizzy_m Can someone check renewing books for patrons who have plus signs at.the end of their barcodes?
21:02 wizzy_m We get an error, I'm away from my 3.2 install
21:02 wizzy_m So can't check it myself :(
21:03 chris *sigh*
21:03 chris yeah ill check wizzy_m
21:04 wizzy_m I'm hoping it's just us
21:04 chris oh that sigh was for the mail to the list not the +
21:04 chris so an item with a barcode that ends in a + ?
21:05 wizzy_m no,the patron barcode ends in a +
21:05 chris ok
21:06 chris and renewing from the circ screen?
21:07 wizzy_m It looks like it is trying to insert a space in it
21:07 chris yeah it stripping the +
21:07 chris not inserting
21:07 chris it does however renew it
21:07 chris its just the find borrower bit
21:07 chris ie the redirect to the details page, that isnt working
21:08 chris 2 secs
21:08 wizzy_m Hmm
21:08 chris interesting, now it works
21:08 chris ahh it works from the details page
21:08 chris not from the issues page
21:09 wizzy_m Ya its inconsistent
21:09 chris[…]findborrower=123+
21:09 chris staff:staff1
21:10 wizzy_m Sec looking
21:10 chris thast what you are seeing?
21:10 wizzy_m Ooh, yep
21:10 wizzy_m My answer is "dont do that"
21:11 wizzy_m But,its not the same behavior as the item bakeries
21:11 wizzy_m Barcodes
21:12 wizzy_m Which allow special chars
21:12 wizzy_m (they have items with ? At the end and those work fine
21:13 wizzy_m I will add a bug when my computer is charged
21:14 wizzy_m Yay for swype
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21:16 chris ill look at hte code now
21:22 chris my $findborrower = $query->param('findborrower');
21:22 chris $findborrower =~ s|,| |g;
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21:31 chris[…]ke/earthquake-map
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21:52 wizzy_m Lol at the topic
21:53 chris its getting stripped out before it gets the the script, its because its a get
21:53 chris and needs to be escaped in that context
21:53 chris fixinating
21:54 chris (ie you cant have + in the url stringy)
21:56 wizzy_m Right. Love that its that easy to fix
21:56 wizzy_m Friday friday friday friday :)
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22:06 chrisc wizzy_m: what email address should i send the patch to? you can sign off on it if it works for you too
22:07 moodaepo @wunder 56001
22:07 munin moodaepo: The current temperature in MSU Physics Dept, Mankato, Minnesota is 12.3�C (5:11 PM CDT on September 16, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 29.08 in 984.6 hPa (Rising).
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22:09 chrisc yep, all fixed now
22:09 chrisc is now known as chris
22:12 brendan @wunder 93117
22:12 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 19.8�C (3:12 PM PDT on September 16, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1011.7 hPa (Falling).
22:12 jo KohaCon10: last of the hotel rooms released back to the hotels today ... means its getting closer :)
22:13 chris wizzy_m: you about?
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22:14 wizzy_m
22:15 wizzy_m Soexcitedcantwaitforkohacon
22:16 chris k
22:16 jo wizzy_m: maybe we could make that a new hashtag :)
22:17 chris patch is on the way
22:17 wizzy_m Hehehe
22:17 wizzy_m Yay!
22:17 wizzy_m Ooh there it is
22:18 chris its a tiny one
22:18 chris just using URI::Escape
22:19 chris which we already use in some places
22:21 wizzy_m Suppose we should double check every place you would scan a patron barcode. I will try to do that
22:21 chris its not the scanning
22:21 chris thats fine
22:21 chris its the redirect
22:22 chris man URI::Escape if you want the gory details
22:22 chris long story short, you should not have + in urls
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22:23 chris most of the time we are doing a POST, its fine, but this time we are just taking the barcode and sticking it in the URL
22:23 chris so it needs to be escaped
22:23 wizzy_m right
22:24 chris earthquake!
22:24 robin ooh quake
22:24 richard only in willis st :)
22:24 chris i think we feel it more up on level 7
22:24 wizzy_m Lol really?
22:25 jo didn't feel ithere
22:25 robin yeah, it was gently swaying
22:25 robin Either that or a really strong gust of wind (I decided not to bike in to work today, on the expectation that I wouldn't make it if I did)
22:27 wizzy_m Bbl
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22:27 jo must concentrate now - averting eyes from irc
22:27 jo 1.25 hour talk to give tomorrow ! who does that to speakers ...
22:31 chris_n it never ceases to amaze me how much "ill will" the folks who accuse the community of showing "ill will" show toward those they are accusing of showing "ill will"....
22:31 * chris_n scratches his head and attempt to understand what he just typed :-)
22:31 chris i hear ya
22:32 chris as if public chatising people for expressing suspicion is a nice and polite thing to do
22:32 chris wow
22:32 chris_n aftershocks?
22:32 chris publicly chastising too
22:32 chris only in my spelling
22:33 chris_n hehe
22:33 chris what i liken those messages to
22:34 chris is telling someone who has been punched in the face 5 times to 'stand still maybe they wont punch you again this time'
22:34 chris 'and stop complaining they hit you 5 times already'
22:41 jo yep - I hear ya chris and chris
22:42 jo its called learned behaviour, and the best predicter of future behaviour is past behaviour
22:42 chris *nod*
22:42 jo no wonder so many of us are wary and distructful and cautious
22:47 rhcl_away actually, I'm more surprised at the number of responses that were "overly" (?) positive?
22:48 chris the ones that admonished people for expressing caution ?
22:48 * chris_n did try to leave room for discussion while trying to protect his other eye
22:49 chris rhcl_away: if you mean what i think you mean, yes i found it disheartening the neighbour of people who reacted as if somehow now all the bad behaviour will stop
22:49 chris neighbour!!!
22:50 chris number
22:50 chris sheesh
22:50 chris i have teh dumb
22:50 chris_n hehe
22:51 * chris_n hands chris a new keyboard
22:51 chris thanks :)
22:51 chris a new brain might be in order
22:51 robin I don't fully understand the need for the society. It seems that everyone is happy with the way assets are handled, with the exception of PTFS/LL, and the assets they have.
22:52 chris robin++
22:53 chris meeting thingy bbl
23:05 chris_n true
23:06 chris_n and no foundation is always one of the options in the running imho
23:07 chris_n any idea what would make cpan use the wrong installation of perl?
23:08 chris_n or better yet why I would end up with two different perls after using apt?
23:12 chris_n fixed
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