Time Nick Message 23:12 chris_n fixed 23:08 chris_n or better yet why I would end up with two different perls after using apt? 23:07 chris_n any idea what would make cpan use the wrong installation of perl? 23:06 chris_n and no foundation is always one of the options in the running imho 23:05 chris_n true 22:53 chris meeting thingy bbl 22:52 chris robin++ 22:51 robin I don't fully understand the need for the society. It seems that everyone is happy with the way assets are handled, with the exception of PTFS/LL, and the assets they have. 22:51 chris a new brain might be in order 22:51 chris thanks :) 22:51 * chris_n hands chris a new keyboard 22:50 chris_n hehe 22:50 chris i have teh dumb 22:50 chris sheesh 22:50 chris number 22:49 chris neighbour!!! 22:49 chris rhcl_away: if you mean what i think you mean, yes i found it disheartening the neighbour of people who reacted as if somehow now all the bad behaviour will stop 22:48 * chris_n did try to leave room for discussion while trying to protect his other eye 22:48 chris the ones that admonished people for expressing caution ? 22:47 rhcl_away actually, I'm more surprised at the number of responses that were "overly" (?) positive? 22:42 jo no wonder so many of us are wary and distructful and cautious 22:42 chris *nod* 22:42 jo its called learned behaviour, and the best predicter of future behaviour is past behaviour 22:41 jo yep - I hear ya chris and chris 22:34 chris 'and stop complaining they hit you 5 times already' 22:34 chris is telling someone who has been punched in the face 5 times to 'stand still maybe they wont punch you again this time' 22:33 chris what i liken those messages to 22:33 chris_n hehe 22:32 chris only in my spelling 22:32 chris publicly chastising too 22:32 chris_n aftershocks? 22:32 chris wow 22:32 chris as if public chatising people for expressing suspicion is a nice and polite thing to do 22:31 chris i hear ya 22:31 * chris_n scratches his head and attempt to understand what he just typed :-) 22:31 chris_n it never ceases to amaze me how much "ill will" the folks who accuse the community of showing "ill will" show toward those they are accusing of showing "ill will".... 22:27 jo 1.25 hour talk to give tomorrow ! who does that to speakers ... 22:27 jo must concentrate now - averting eyes from irc 22:27 wizzy_m Bbl 22:25 robin Either that or a really strong gust of wind (I decided not to bike in to work today, on the expectation that I wouldn't make it if I did) 22:25 robin yeah, it was gently swaying 22:25 jo didn't feel ithere 22:24 wizzy_m Lol really? 22:24 chris i think we feel it more up on level 7 22:24 richard only in willis st :) 22:24 robin ooh quake 22:24 chris earthquake! 22:23 wizzy_m right 22:23 chris so it needs to be escaped 22:23 chris most of the time we are doing a POST, its fine, but this time we are just taking the barcode and sticking it in the URL 22:22 chris long story short, you should not have + in urls 22:22 chris man URI::Escape if you want the gory details 22:21 chris its the redirect 22:21 chris thats fine 22:21 chris its not the scanning 22:21 wizzy_m Suppose we should double check every place you would scan a patron barcode. I will try to do that 22:19 chris which we already use in some places 22:18 chris just using URI::Escape 22:18 chris its a tiny one 22:17 wizzy_m Ooh there it is 22:17 wizzy_m Yay! 22:17 wizzy_m Hehehe 22:17 chris patch is on the way 22:16 jo wizzy_m: maybe we could make that a new hashtag :) 22:16 chris k 22:15 wizzy_m Soexcitedcantwaitforkohacon 22:14 wizzy_m Lrea@nekls.org 22:13 chris wizzy_m: you about? 22:12 jo KohaCon10: last of the hotel rooms released back to the hotels today ... means its getting closer :) 22:12 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 19.8�C (3:12 PM PDT on September 16, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1011.7 hPa (Falling). 22:12 brendan @wunder 93117 22:09 chrisc yep, all fixed now 22:07 munin moodaepo: The current temperature in MSU Physics Dept, Mankato, Minnesota is 12.3�C (5:11 PM CDT on September 16, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 29.08 in 984.6 hPa (Rising). 22:07 moodaepo @wunder 56001 22:06 chrisc wizzy_m: what email address should i send the patch to? you can sign off on it if it works for you too 21:56 wizzy_m Friday friday friday friday :) 21:56 wizzy_m Right. Love that its that easy to fix 21:54 chris (ie you cant have + in the url stringy) 21:53 chris fixinating 21:53 chris and needs to be escaped in that context 21:53 chris its getting stripped out before it gets the the script, its because its a get 21:52 wizzy_m Lol at the topic 21:31 chris http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/canterbury-earthquake/earthquake-map 21:22 chris $findborrower =~ s|,| |g; 21:22 chris my $findborrower = $query->param('findborrower'); 21:16 chris ill look at hte code now 21:14 wizzy_m Yay for swype 21:13 wizzy_m I will add a bug when my computer is charged 21:12 wizzy_m (they have items with ? At the end and those work fine 21:12 wizzy_m Which allow special chars 21:11 wizzy_m Barcodes 21:11 wizzy_m But,its not the same behavior as the item bakeries 21:10 wizzy_m My answer is "dont do that" 21:10 wizzy_m Ooh, yep 21:10 chris thast what you are seeing? 21:10 wizzy_m Sec looking 21:09 chris staff:staff1 21:09 chris http://demo-intra.mykoha.co.nz/cgi-bin/koha/circ/circulation.pl?findborrower=123+ 21:09 wizzy_m Ya its inconsistent 21:08 chris not from the issues page 21:08 chris ahh it works from the details page 21:08 chris interesting, now it works 21:08 wizzy_m Hmm 21:08 chris 2 secs 21:07 chris ie the redirect to the details page, that isnt working 21:07 chris its just the find borrower bit 21:07 chris it does however renew it 21:07 chris not inserting 21:07 chris yeah it stripping the + 21:07 wizzy_m It looks like it is trying to insert a space in it 21:06 chris and renewing from the circ screen? 21:05 chris ok 21:05 wizzy_m no,the patron barcode ends in a + 21:04 chris so an item with a barcode that ends in a + ? 21:04 chris oh that sigh was for the mail to the list not the + 21:04 wizzy_m I'm hoping it's just us 21:03 chris yeah ill check wizzy_m 21:03 chris *sigh* 21:02 wizzy_m So can't check it myself :( 21:02 wizzy_m We get an error, I'm away from my 3.2 install 21:01 wizzy_m Can someone check renewing books for patrons who have plus signs at.the end of their barcodes? 21:00 jo Good morning 20:46 chris night jcamins 20:46 jcamins Time to close up for the night. 20:43 jcamins Good night. 20:43 cait good night all :) 20:43 cait bed time 20:43 cait speaking of tired 20:42 * jcamins thinks he might be more tired than he realized... no matter how he tries to rephrase it, that sentence refuses to become balanced and parallel. 20:42 chris i think it just serves to increase it 20:42 jcamins Ugh! That's a terrible sentence. 20:41 jcamins Well, I hope all the good karma from my Pledge isn't negated by offering an opinion on this divisive topic. :) 20:40 larsw yeah 20:40 chris larsw: looks a lot like the one down on level 4 eh 20:39 chris back 20:36 cait yep 20:33 jcamins Just out of curiosity, did my message go through? 20:27 larsw chris, I have no idea, I found it on reddit 20:25 chris My stop, bbiab 20:24 chris Where's that? 20:23 chris Ohh cool 20:22 larsw chris, speaking of beer o'clock: http://picasaweb.google.com/103247789021450597672/Bar?feat=embedwebsite# 20:20 richard hi 20:09 chris Its random and useless facts friday 20:09 chris http://koziarski.com/ 20:08 chris Anyone got any rails questions, koz is on the bus with me 20:04 * jcamins is jealous 20:04 larsw chris, heh 20:04 chris Gotta love friday:) 20:03 cait lol 20:02 chris 8 hours til beer o'clock! 20:01 chris Back 19:52 chris_n ok, time to head to the feeding trough 19:50 chris_n maybe some error trapping around this might be possible: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=cataloguing/z3950_search.pl;h=cf9e7b2ff4c6fda33e36a606bb819157d409aa26;hb=HEAD#l228 19:49 jcamins chris_n: true. 19:49 sekjal night, jwagner! 19:49 chris_n bye 19:48 jwagner oh well. A problem for another day. g'night everyone. 19:48 chris_n unless it is wrong 19:47 jcamins It seems to me that the Leader should still indicate the encoding. 19:47 chris_n but I have wondered why M::C would not be able to attempt to determine the encoding type 19:47 * chris_n doesn't know the answer 19:46 jcamins I guess Z39.50 doesn't preserve the Leader? 19:45 chris_n but in the end the data is still unusable 19:45 chris_n of course we might be able to wrap the call to MARC::Charset in an eval block and trap the error that way in a more graceful fashion 19:44 chris_n but the real problem is bad data 19:43 chris_n so the "try/catch" type error trapping would have to happen there 19:43 wizzyrea_ bbiab 19:43 chris_n the problem with these encoding errors is that they occur in someone else's code 19:42 jwagner I just finds problems, I doesn't solves them :-) 19:42 chris_n that's evident :-) 19:42 jwagner That's pretty old, so if it was pushed to head then it's in all of my servers. Doesn't look like it handles this problem. 19:41 chris_n jwagner: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=500b7ee4d63de29d748e37493d24f309b3513cd8 19:41 wizzyrea_ he's getting fast on that phone lol 19:40 chris bbiab 19:40 * chris_n looks 19:39 jwagner chris_n, when? I have the same problem with this site on my current head server 19:39 chris http://marc-must-die.info/index.php/Main_Page 19:39 chris_n jwagner: there was some code added to koha's z search to help it error out more gracefully when the remote z server lied about its data 19:39 chris jwagner: yeah, you should post this to the marc must die website too :-) 19:38 chris chris_n: exacterly! 19:38 jwagner It's not a major bug in the grand scheme of things, but it's been on my naggy to-do pile for far too long. 19:38 chris_n can you say "Long" and "non-productive" 19:37 chris_n obviously viki has never been around when we have irc meetings on potentially divisive issues like changing the license... :-) 19:37 jwagner OK, I'm updating the bug report to summarize this -- join in if you can amplify. 19:37 wizzyrea_ a lot of this work has already been done 19:37 chris true, should pull that in too 19:37 wizzyrea_ well and there's all that stuff from when we voted on the hlt stewardship 19:37 chris jcamins: good idea 19:36 chris thats why im actually leaning towards joining software freedom conservancy, i should write that on the wiki 19:36 jcamins chris: I agree. 19:36 jcamins Well, my suggestion is that we change NYU to UTF-8 for now, and I will ask my mentor, who is on their character sets task force what the deal is. 19:36 wizzyrea_ *nod* 19:36 chris its pretty hard to undo if you do 19:36 chris setting up foundations isnt something you want to get wrong 19:35 chris lets get some ideas down to talk about, then talk about them 19:35 chris and probably get bitchy 19:35 chris i fear an irc meeting now, would just be counterproductive 19:35 chris_n I can't recall which atm, sorry 19:35 chris i hope my email made some sense too 19:35 chris_n jwagner: not NYU, but another 19:34 chris jcamins: often, yes 19:34 jwagner chris_n, you mean remove NYU from the delivered defaults? 19:34 jcamins In the same database? Eww. 19:34 * wizzyrea_ channels atz: make the target ILS fix it! 19:34 chris_n yes 19:34 jcamins Oh, there are also MARC8 records? 19:34 chris jwagner: the problem is, changing it to utf8 works .. until you hit a marc8 record 19:34 jcamins Change NYU to UTF-8. 19:34 chris_n I think we removed the previous offender from the list 19:34 chris_n well, its not really a Koha problem 19:33 chris ta 19:33 jcamins chris: got the latest. 19:33 jwagner So what should be the recommended solution? A patch to change the setting in the default z39.50 setup, or just a note about the problem? 19:33 chris_n but we did have a round or two about this and decided it was a standards compliance issue on the library's end 19:33 jcamins chris: I got both, in the end. 19:33 chris i wonder if my reply will go through this time 19:33 chris_n I can't find the bug atm 19:32 jwagner changing that in the z39 setup works -- harry potter search in title retrieves records. 19:32 jcamins (the problem was a German record, but as an aside, looks like they're encoding Turkish wrong) 19:31 jcamins Looks like they're encoding Turkish wrong. 19:31 jcamins Change the charset to UTF-8. 19:31 * chris_n looks 19:30 chris_n there was a bug for it iirc 19:30 * chris_n had this problem with a z server in the past 19:30 chris unfortunately they dont 19:30 chris_n I think it would have to be MARC::Charset that did the work 19:30 chris yes 19:30 chris if ppl followed standards 19:29 jwagner So is there any way to compensate for that on the Koha end? 19:29 chris_n but that is just a guess 19:29 chris_n probably the record is utf-8 rather than marc8 19:29 chris_n this is an encoding error of some sort 19:29 * jwagner mutters, "well, this is a fine kettle of fish" 19:28 chris_n right 19:28 jwagner So from what chris is saying, it's actually connecting and doing the search, but something is failing when it tries to parse the results? 19:28 chris_n must be corruption in that marc record of the utf8 sort 19:28 chris_n dies here too 19:28 jcamins Yup. 19:28 chris_n in the title field? 19:28 jcamins I can replicate it with Harry Potter, too. 19:27 jwagner jcamins, non-Roman? I've been searching generic stuff like Harry Potter 19:27 jwagner That's similar to the problem I had with Smithsonian & why I was recommending dropping them as a default -- they've changed the indexes on their end so much the targeted search boxes wouldn't work. 19:27 jcamins The problem is non-Roman alphabets. 19:27 jcamins I've just been searching in title. 19:26 jwagner AHA! I've been searching variants in author & title fields. searching in the Raw(any) field works. 19:26 jcamins Just duplicated the error! 19:26 * chris_n confirms it works here on the latest HEAD 19:26 jwagner in which search field? Raw(any)? 19:26 chris its not used for anything else 19:26 chris then its to do with parsing marc records 19:26 chris none, ive just seen that error before, if its MARC::Charset 19:26 jcamins I searched on "book" and it worked. 19:25 jwagner Hmmm. chris, what term did you search on? 19:25 chris then displayed, the error is occuring when its trying to parse a marc record 19:24 chris what happens is you get the results, they get stored in the reservior 19:24 chris that error comes from parsing the results 19:24 chris its connecting 19:24 jwagner Yep, all of that is exactly what I have, on a wide variety of installs -- can't get it to connect anywhere. Much puzzled.... 19:23 jcamins Encoding: MARC-8 19:23 jcamins jwagner: Yes. 19:23 jcamins Syntax: MARC21/USMARC 19:23 jwagner port is 9991? 19:23 jcamins Checked and rank are both '0' 19:23 jcamins Userid and password are blank. 19:22 jcamins Database:NYU01 19:22 jcamins Hostname: aleph.library.nyu.edu 19:22 jwagner in the z39.50 setup, it's MARC21/USMARC and MARC-8 19:22 jcamins Z39.50 Server: NEW YORK UNIVERSITY LIBRARIES 19:22 jcamins Oh. 19:22 chris_n jcamins: for that z server 19:21 chris something being double encoded, or not unencoded, or marc8 being treated as utf8 etc 19:21 jcamins UTF-8. 19:21 jcamins For MySQL? 19:21 jwagner where do I look for the encoding settings? 19:21 chris_n what are your settings jcamins? 19:21 chris its always to do with encoding problems 19:21 chris whenever you see that error 19:20 chris mysql settings? 19:20 chris yeah 19:20 jwagner No, just the NYU z39.50 connection. What works for jcamins fails for me. 19:20 chris_n corrupt data? 19:20 jcamins What's your standard search? 19:20 jwagner Maybe our install of Table.pm is different? 19:20 chris on all records? 19:20 jwagner Yep, Koha version doesn't matter -- I've tried it on multiple servers/versions. The error is always Wide character in null operation at /usr/share/perl5/MARC/Charset/Table.pm line 96 19:19 jcamins MARC::Charset 0.98 on both. 19:19 jcamins Koha versions 3.01.00.145 and 3.01.00.143 respectively. 19:19 jwagner I'm wondering about the particular .pm file now 19:19 jcamins It also works on ByWater's servers. 19:11 jwagner jcamins, thanks. That's the same as on a couple of my servers. Sigh. 19:02 jcamins And I've confirmed that the settings work on another server. 19:02 jcamins jwagner: my Perl version is 5.10.0 built for x86_64-linux-gnu-thread-multi 18:56 chris reasoned as always 18:56 chris chris_n++ 18:54 wizzyrea_ yay chris_n 18:50 chris otherwise it could go on forever 18:50 chris i think a meeting would be better after we ahve some idea what there is to talk about 18:49 chris cool 18:49 cait the second arrived now :) 18:46 chris cant win :) 18:46 chris resending, probably will double up now hehe 18:46 jcamins I mean, not compared to the number of ccodes that aren't represented by items in our collection, but in general, there probably shouldn't be quite so many ccodes. 18:45 jcamins That is definitely excessive. 18:45 jcamins The items in our catalog represent 63 ccodes. 18:44 chris sent it 9 mins ago 18:43 chris weird 18:43 chris hmm 18:41 cait chris: I do not see your mail yet 18:40 cait yeah, I really like taht change 18:39 chris cait: responded i think a meeting in 2 weeks would be too rushed, but the wiki is a great place to start the discussions, like chris_n said .. it is good that communicaton is open 18:38 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3782 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, delivered z39.50 targets wrong for NY Public Library and NY University Library 18:38 jwagner jcamins, I pecked some more at Bug 3782 yesterday. I still can't get the settings you use to work. Could you maybe verify your Perl version for me? (type perl -v at the system prompt) Since it's complaining about a perl module, not one under C4, I'm wondering if it's a version difference. 18:35 reva hi jcamins: thanks. But anyone else logged in who knows the answer? 18:34 jcamins We don't use the serials module, sorry. 18:34 reva I meant prediction pattern, not perdicAtion:). 18:32 reva hi all, I was wondering if someone could explain how to set the 3rd dimension {Z} in the predication pattern for serials (for example, vol. no. yr. for a title that is 4/vol.) I tried several combinations, but either it messes up the other two dimensions or shows the same year (i.e., not adding the year). There are no examples with the 3rd dimension filled in. Help? 18:32 cait select location, count(location) from items group by location 18:32 cait yes you could :) 18:32 jcamins I guess I could do a report. 18:32 jcamins Does anyone have any suggestions on how to find out all the locations that have items? 18:29 chris yup 18:28 cait response from ptfs on list 18:23 chris http://twitter.com/dakvid/status/23857538877 18:21 sekjal email says if you can't make it, don't worry, there will be more 18:20 chris_n is it archived anywhere? 18:20 sekjal ah, yes, at 11am Eastern 18:19 chris was on today if i remember right 18:19 chris yeah, they sent out emails to people 18:16 * chris_n didn't know there was one 18:16 chris did anyone go to the ptfs/liblime webinar thingy? 17:52 jcamins :) 17:52 jcamins Ah. 17:52 cait I told my coworker about your famous cookie recipe, he was very interested and I am invited to his birthday party this weekend 17:51 cait I will, but this time I need the recipe as a present 17:44 jcamins Are you going to make them? 17:43 cait great! thank you :) 17:43 jcamins Never go anywhere without it. ;) 17:43 jcamins cait: http://www.cookiemadness.net/2009/05/curry-coconut-oatmeal-chocolate-chip-cookies/ 17:42 cait jcamins: do you have the link to your famous curry... cookies at hand? 17:40 jcamins chris_n++ 17:17 chris chris_n++ 17:16 tim Is there a way to modify that without just adding it to the comments? 17:14 tim I hope my detail isn't too confusing. 17:06 tim Fixing it now. 17:06 tim I figured I'd skip some important fields. 17:05 owen Thanks tim. A couple of things: It should be "normal" not "enhancement." And you need some basic comments describing the problem 17:04 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5230 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, MARC export by call number range results in a zero byte file 17:04 owen Bug 5230 17:04 tim I filed bug report about the export problem owen. #5230. 17:04 brendan you need to walk and feed him ;) 17:02 jcamins I wonder why Zebra doesn't start when my computer boots. 17:02 jcamins Hm. 16:58 tim jcamins, they just need to have execute permission. 16:56 jcamins That was supposed to be a question. 16:56 jcamins *? 16:56 jcamins Does Debian only run items in init.d that have an extension of .sh. 16:50 tim You're probably better at it than I am, but I could give it a shot. 16:49 owen tim: Are you filing a bug report or should I? 16:44 tim Thanks owen. At least I know it's not something I did wrong. 16:42 owen Still fails. 16:42 owen It doesn't even matter if you put actual full itemcallnumbers in those fields 16:40 owen I get the same results tim, a zero-byte file 16:38 tim I'm trying to export marc records using the itemcallnumber range on koha 3 and not getting anything. Is there a wildcard that should be used with it? 16:36 mib_5kdfp thanks 16:35 hdl ) 16:35 hdl (commit id 16:34 hdl 7d8b369ba4066d485e5aa7739b1b073f0db80b45 16:34 hdl mib_5kdfp: yes in 3.2 16:33 hdl But maybe that patch was not applied anf pushed. 16:33 mib_5kdfp Great.....is it available readily? 16:32 hdl mib_5kdfp: a patch from paul_p added that feature. 16:32 hdl mib_5kdfp: yes. 16:30 mib_5kdfp Hi....is it possible to create SQL reports in Koha with variable inputs? That is, ask a user to enter a date or date range before running a report? 15:31 sekjal hmmm, fun 15:31 sekjal and similarly, so does not the OPAC when XSLT is off 15:29 sekjal it doesn't sum the results by branch 15:29 sekjal okay, yeah, the staff client would blow up if the maximum was removed, at least how it's currently configured 15:28 sekjal misread the report 15:28 sekjal ah 15:27 owen The bug doesn't show itself in the OPAC if XSLT is on 15:26 sekjal the XSLT-enabled staff client says 3 copies available, but only lists the first one (with itemtype icon, branch, shelving location, callnumber and (1)) 15:25 sekjal testing in my XSLT-enabled OPAC: a title with 3 copies at two different branches shows the branch, callnumber and (1) for the first branch, and branch and (2) for the second 15:24 * owen shrugs 15:24 owen Libraries with 100s of branches? 15:23 owen True. Then I don't know what the purpose is I guess 15:23 sekjal the complete details aren't displayed 15:23 sekjal right, but now the behaviour is to just provide a number of how many items are available, on loan or otherwise at any given branch 15:22 owen But I don't think that works for everyone. 15:22 owen In my library it doesn't matter--no maximum would work fine for us because we never have that many items. 15:21 owen That's why I find it mysterious that it was removed... Was something else done to mitigate the problem? I don't know. 15:21 owen sekjal: The original intention of the preference was to limit the number of items in the display because some libraries have 100s of items on one record. 15:20 sekjal so, the desired behaviour would be for Koha to behave as if there were no maximum? 15:18 * owen wonders if Harley has maxItemsInSearchResults 15:15 sekjal yes, it's doubly defined in the searchResults subroutine 15:14 owen I don't know what was behind the elimination of the maxItemsInSearchResults pref, but both the OPAC and the staff client search results check for it (it's in Search.pm I believe) 15:14 owen So even if there are 100 items available at different branches, Koha will only show Athens (1) 15:13 owen If there is no maxItemsInSearchResults preference specified Koha defaults to 1 15:13 sekjal right 15:13 owen Availability: Copies available: Athens (1), 15:13 owen In OPAC search results there's the "availability line" 15:12 sekjal owen: what's the current misbehaviour like for 2142? 15:03 * chris_n pauses for a moment 15:01 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2142 critical, P2, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, maxItemsInSearchResults No longer used 15:00 owen An exciting prize goes to whoever fixes Bug 2142 in time for 3.2 15:00 kf sekjal++ 15:00 kf thx sekjal! 15:00 kf oh, and I forgot to note owen on my list 14:59 sekjal kf: signed off on one owen already did for you... but mostly because I wanted to get the fix loaded on my system 14:54 sekjal I hope so, too! 14:53 briceSanc sekjal, okay :), thanks Ian (I'm working on Checkout by Hour, I've update the calendar to accept opening and closing Hours, I hope that my customer would like to release the source code !) 14:51 sekjal briceSanc: no function for it that I know 14:50 briceSanc sekjal, That's what I thought to do if there was not already created function 14:47 sekjal briceSanc: you could do a straight compare if you formatted the numbers as pure integers 14:45 briceSanc sekjal, $openingTime = 10:00 and $closingTime = 18:00 14:45 kf chris started at the top, not sure if he wanted to do more 14:45 briceSanc sekjal, I mean $openingTime < $closingTime 14:45 sekjal ok. I'll try to work in testing of those soon 14:45 kf open = patch send 14:45 kf yep 14:44 sekjal kf: are the patches you need sign off on the ones marked 'OPEN'? 14:44 briceSanc kf, i'm not english so my questions may be poorly worded (I apologize!) - thank you for responding 14:42 sekjal briceSanc: do you mean like X < $var < Y ? 14:41 kf briceSanc: perhaps change the question instead of repeating it ;) - and I don't know 14:40 briceSanc is there a function to compare two times in Perl ? 14:40 brendan wrong window 14:40 brendan :D 14:40 brendan make test 14:39 kf ps_bug_5090_isbn_year_new_order 14:39 sekjal content often being bug####, but other names for devs apply, too 14:39 kf I do something like ps (patch send) bug_number_content 14:39 sekjal <status> being things like wip, pub, qa and so 14:38 sekjal I'm working on instituting more descriptive branch names: <status>-<content> being the basic format 14:38 sekjal kf: nice 14:38 kf I use this wiki for my distance study - and to track my patches :) 14:37 kf http://www.fernstudiert.de/fernstudium/doku.php?id=koha:dev:start 14:37 sekjal kf: sure thing 14:36 kf sekjal: I have a list of patches taht need to be signed-of... would you perhaps take a look at it? 14:24 briceSanc is there a function to compare two times in Perl ? 14:23 briceSanc hello 14:22 sekjal okay, so I can confirm that your patch fixes field 600$t in XSLT display 14:20 owen I didn't even register the inconsistency, I just rolled with it :) 14:20 sekjal I feel less crazy now 14:19 sekjal yeah, $t isn't part of the standard for 650, according to loc.gov 14:19 owen Ah, you know, it wasn't 650, it was 600 14:18 sekjal I'm noticing that 650$t isn't even in the MARC framework 14:17 owen sekjal: No, I just added a $t to an existing record 14:17 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5222 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, 650 t not showing with xslt on 14:17 sekjal owen: do you have a test record with a 650$t that you used for testing bug 5222? 14:05 owen And I don't think "Yay, let's be friends" is prudent given the history 14:05 owen I don't think that justifies a counterattack, but I think pointed questions are warranted. 14:01 owen I guess bystanders don't see how much of Yokley's message is a hostile attack. 14:01 owen What is it with the complaints about "personally hostile attacks" in response to Yokley's message? 14:00 * sekjal thinks its time to make the second press of coffee 13:54 nengard druthb yeah - when I say i can't walk on my own they look at me like i'm lying ... i know i look healthy and all - but don't you think i'd rather walk through the metal detector than have some strange woman feeling me up? 13:54 owen ADA is a good refutation of the pro-business folks who say the market will take care of it 13:54 druthb hi, brendan! :) 13:54 * druthb shudders to think how badly TSA would abuse disabled travelers, if the ADA wasn't there as a brake on them. 13:54 nengard morning 13:54 brendan morning all 13:53 druthb Oh, I am out of shape for that, too. I'd not done it in years and years when I was at ALA--I saw a picture of me t'other day... very, very scary. 13:52 nengard my arms aren't used to carrying my whole body :) hehe 13:52 nengard weak 13:52 nengard also keep in mind - this is so new to me that I'm a real wimp - I broke a sweat walking to the bathroom cause I'm so weka 13:52 druthb :) 13:52 nengard or assume that someone doesn't need help 13:52 nengard druthb I know! it's just that I'm having a new appreciation for those who have to live this way - i will never ever forget to open the door for someone in need 13:50 druthb nengard: Saw your fb post about "accessibility" at airports. Believe: ADA has made it vastly better than it was before. As nightmarish as it is, it used to be worse. 13:48 nengard collum i wish i could go, but i'm stuck with a walker right now and it's too hard to do any touring 13:43 * collum waves to nengard down the Ohio River and recommends the Glassworks tour. http://www.louisvilleglassworks.com/tours.html 13:25 kf in the cloud? 13:23 owen I love it when my staff tells me "the internet is down, but it's okay Koha still works." Where do they think Koha is anyway? 13:09 kf hi nengard 13:08 nengard and hi from breakfast in KY 13:07 nengard yikes 12:57 sekjal ugh 12:57 owen Ugh. Just got a copyright violation notice from the MPAA because of someone bittorrenting from inside the library 12:56 sekjal I'm working on organizing my git repo to keep better track of the statuses of all the branches 12:51 sekjal and hdl++ 12:51 sekjal and robin++ 12:50 sekjal fredericd++, too 12:50 sekjal owen++ for providing good bugfixes 12:48 kf hi collum :) 12:48 owen sekjal++ # for signoffs 12:41 collum Hi owen and kf 12:29 kf owen: it will be up to date again very soon :) 12:23 owen Hi collum 12:17 owen Someone oughta change the topic 12:14 kf sekjal: sure, take a look at it :) took me some time to figure things out. chris signed off and think it's in production for hlt. 12:13 sekjal I'll add your patch for 5090 to my queue for signoffs 12:13 kf sekjal: chris guided me - I am not sure what I exactly did 12:13 sekjal kf: got it 12:13 kf sekjal: I made a comment on bug 5081 12:13 kf you have to change a conf file or something to use the right parser 12:13 kf it's the xml parser 12:12 kf yep 12:12 sekjal something about the XML 12:12 sekjal I'm getting a software error every time I save the new order 12:11 sekjal kf: doubling up on fixes as broken stuff before, yes 12:11 ivanc s/k/h/ 12:11 kf so I think perhaps your patch will perhaps make it break again 12:11 ivanc ki #koha 12:11 kf chris already signed off on it - but I changed the template 12:10 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5081 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, ASSIGNED, When manually entering book details, the ISBN gets lost 12:10 kf bug 5081 12:10 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5090 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, NEW, New order from empty record does not save publication year and ISBN 12:10 kf sekjal, robin: I think my patch for bug 5090 covers 5081 too 11:44 hdl hi all 11:43 kf hi hdl 11:43 * chris_n greets hdl 11:43 hdl hi chris_n 11:42 chris_n heya kf 11:41 kf_mtg ah 11:40 sekjal hi, kf_mtg 11:39 kf_mtg hi chris_n and sekjal :) 11:38 sekjal sorry, was getting some breakfast in the kitchen 11:38 sekjal morning, chris_n 11:23 chris_n hi sekjal 09:25 magnus LUMHS: the lack of response probably indicates that noone here feels up to the challenge of your question. #debian on irc.debian.org has been suggested as a better venue. try http://mibbit.com/?channel=%23debian&server=irc.debian.org 09:22 LUMHS I have problem of network device 09:14 LUMHS any body help me 09:11 LUMHS could u give me favour... 09:11 LUMHS chris.. I could not access these channels 09:08 chris and yep, it did 09:08 Braedon irc.debian.org 09:08 chris http://www.debian.org/support 09:07 chris i dont know off the top of my head, but google will 09:07 LUMHS chris: what is the url of #debian channel? 09:06 chris ahh you probably need to go to a #debian channel or something then 09:06 LUMHS When I want to install debian, it did not detect the ethernet device 09:05 chris luckily there is an INSTALL.debian file that tells you how to do that :) 09:05 LUMHS I want to install koha on debian-lenny 09:04 LUMHS hi all 09:04 chris then connections to bip for other servers 09:04 chris and a direct connection to the work irc server 09:04 chris my work irc is behind a firewall, so just screen + irssi 09:04 magnus you crazy techie you! ;-) 09:03 chris yeah, cos then i can connect to bip from my phone 09:03 magnus so you have bip + irssi + screen? 09:02 chris yeah i do that for my work irc 09:02 magnus i thought maybe irssi + screen on the server... 09:02 chris yup 09:02 magnus and then you use an irc client to connect to bip? 09:02 chris telstraclear has been pretty unreliable lately 08:58 Braedon like dropping all your IRC connections if you focus on a window with a too large log 08:58 Braedon has a few idiosyncrasies though 08:57 Braedon i just use empathy so i don't have to have separate GTalk and IRC clients running 08:57 magnus come to think of it, mine (Colloquy) has a spellcheck too... 08:56 magnus oops 08:56 Braedon almost hit incestuous instead of insidious :) 08:55 Braedon just requires a lot of right clicking on underlined words, and remembering to actually read the suggestions correctly 08:54 Braedon thankfully my client has a spell checker built in 08:54 magnus yeah, it didn't feel quite right either... 08:54 Braedon but my spelling is awful 08:54 Braedon haha, thought the original looked a bit weird 08:54 magnus (i looked it up ;-) 08:53 magnus "contagious" is what i was aiming for 08:53 Braedon actually both of those are worse fits than contagious, but they were all i could come up with :P 08:52 magnus that'l do it... 08:52 Braedon insidious 08:51 Braedon infectious 08:51 chris :) 08:51 magnus (or something that sounds similar) 08:50 magnus it's contaigious 08:49 chris heh 08:49 Braedon i love how anyone checking the weather triggers a flurry of others doing the same :) 08:44 munin magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 12.0�C (10:20 AM CEST on September 16, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Pressure: 29.18 in 988 hPa (Steady). 08:44 magnus @wunder bodo, norway 08:44 chris yeah 08:44 Braedon hopefully it won't be too bad tomorrow morning 08:43 Braedon was quite nice this evening after all the rain this morning up here 08:43 Braedon indeed 08:43 chris storm still hasnt hit 08:43 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 11.0�C (8:00 PM NZST on September 16, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.36 in 994 hPa (Steady). 08:43 chris @wunder wellington nz 08:43 munin Braedon: The current temperature in Auckland, New Zealand is 13.0�C (8:00 PM NZST on September 16, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Rising). 08:43 Braedon @wunder auckland 07:48 kf meeting in 5 07:44 * kf looks up from her work 07:44 kf hm? 07:35 magnus busy, by the looks of it? ;-) 07:27 chris hows things in deutschland? 07:20 kf hi chris 07:19 chris evening 07:16 ivanc ok time to go bye #koha 07:14 ivanc hi kf 07:14 kf hi again #koha 06:59 alex_a hi magnus 06:59 francharb hi magnus 06:59 magnus ...alex_a and francharb 06:58 magnus hi hdl 06:58 ivanc hi hdl 06:55 hdl hi koha 06:45 cait ok, time for work 06:37 ivanc I've no doubt about the quality of your work 06:35 cait tell them 1039 other libraries can't be so wrong ;) 06:34 ivanc is only a bit of fear ... 06:32 cait won't this look a bit strange? :) 06:30 ivanc cait me too :D 06:30 cait ok, will cross my fingers then :) 06:29 ivanc cait 10:00 06:29 cait when is it? 06:29 ivanc cait tnks! 06:28 cait oh, good luck! 06:28 ivanc cait today is the day of my presentation 06:27 ivanc yep 06:27 ivanc guten morgen cait :) 06:27 cait europe is waking up 06:27 cait hi ivanc 06:23 ivanc hi magnus 06:23 magnus good morning ivanc 06:20 ivanc good morning #koha 06:14 magnus god morgen, cait 06:14 cait guten morgen magnus 06:09 cait hi robin :) 06:09 robin hi 06:02 cait hi #koha 05:38 robin only, the second message needs the word 'broken' in there 05:37 robin that's going to save issues when zebra breaks and it takes me forever to figure out why 05:37 robin /home/robin/rebuild_zebra.pl: found zebra server directories: forcing a rebuild 05:37 robin /home/robin/rebuild_zebra.pl: needed to create '/var/lib/koha/library/authorities/shadow' 03:50 Amit heya koha 02:52 chris sweet 02:52 * chris_n is contemplating another large chuck of work on the label tool 02:51 chris_n thanks; that's sort of what I was wondering about 02:50 chris so we dont have to stall development 02:50 chris what we are working on is a script to convert templates 02:49 chris chris_n: im hoping to get it up in early october 02:23 chris baack in a bit 02:23 chris sorry in meetings 02:05 chris_n chris: how soon will you have your TT branch up? 01:56 chris_n heya jo 01:45 jo back