IRC log for #koha, 2010-08-24

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01:56 * wasabi rebuilds a scis-disked win2003 sever at AFW, today :/
01:56 chris eeewww
01:57 wasabi its a 2-year-old nightmare, thats finally happened...
01:58 wasabi mobo died in the weekend, no external backups, etc
01:59 chris classy
02:00 wasabi im now getting the friendly windows-popup reminder, that my new server is about to disable itself in 3 days time
02:01 chris you shoulda just put linux on there theres that theme that looks like windows... and with sambafs .. theyd never know ;-)
02:03 wasabi they also run a few win32 apps on it too, so its a bit trickier
02:04 chris wine :)
02:04 chris srsly though, you dont want to get trapped doing windows support, down that road lies madness
02:05 richard it sure does. especially when you don't even do linuz support
02:05 * richard is learning a lot about windows
02:05 richard and it isn't healthy
02:05 chris hehe
02:08 wasabi im a nice guy, and they are in a pickle... thats as far as my windows anything goes
02:21 * chris_n`` agrees with chris's assessment of win32 support
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02:22 chris :)
02:25 * chris_n had the nightmare of a *nix box's li-ion battery go bad and the time got reset to 8 years ago....
02:25 chris_n and then the nightly backups ran
02:26 chris_n so now one tape out of 12 is stamped with a date eight years previous to the rest :-P
02:26 chris heh
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02:51 wizzyrea_ that's a terrible nightmare :P
02:51 wasabi hows this for a fail....
02:51 wasabi the server has 2 identilcal disks, mirrored..
02:53 wasabi at some stage the mirroring of the 2nd disk got stopped, and then used as a data-dump
02:53 wasabi its the data-dump, that has all the important files on....
02:54 wizzyrea_ !
02:55 wasabi if i *fix* the 2nd disk, by re-sync-ing the mirror, i risk blowing away whats currently on it?
02:56 wasabi ie: all the important files
02:56 robin that's not a risk, that's certain
02:57 wasabi yeah, i cant currently 'see' the D; drive...
02:57 robin maybe the disk has failed hard?
02:58 wasabi but the disk is detected, etc..
02:58 wizzyrea_ yea, it may be time for a freezer treatment
02:58 robin yeah, there's many different failure modes for harddrives.
02:58 robin I had a 250GB that started reporting as 8MB
02:59 wizzyrea_ I had a totally dead one a few years ago that had a PHD student's only copy of their dissertation on it
02:59 wasabi nope, it partically boots of the 2nd disk, but then BSODs
03:00 robin wizzyrea_: I think that if they only have one copy, they deserve to re-write it.
03:00 robin wasabi: _many_ failure modes :)
03:00 wizzyrea_ ended up getting their stuff back by putting the drive in a ziplock bag, sucking all the air out, freezing it overnight, then pulling the dissertation off in the 10 minutes the drive worked before it died for good
03:01 robin yeah, that's a common emergency treatment.
03:01 robin In my case, I swapped the controller board with one from a matching good drive.
03:01 wasabi im gonna have to usb-mount a linux , then  ntfs-mount the 2nd disk to salvage...
03:01 wizzyrea_ ooh, that's a good trick
03:01 robin only worked because it was electrical rather than hardware failure.
03:02 wizzyrea_ people often underestimate the common nature of electrical failure
03:02 robin But my backup disks had fallen over (literally) two days previous, so I had no backups any more - needed to recover it.
03:02 wasabi then attempt the mirror re-sync
03:07 wasabi and i think ive just accidentally kicked-off a re-sync... :/
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03:12 Amit heya chris, brendan
03:13 brendan heya amit
03:18 chris hi amit
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05:03 hdl hi
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05:35 kf good morning #koha
05:37 hdl hi kf
05:38 kf hi hdl
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07:17 kf morning magnus
07:17 magnus Guten Morgen, kf
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07:22 slef owen: what did you want? :-)
07:26 magnus slef: probably a bit early/late for owen?
07:27 slef magnus: well, it's the soonest I'm here since he asked :-)
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07:27 magnus :-)
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07:36 ghi koha can use ldap authentication and  in my organization ICT department uses ldap and i tried to configure in koha-conf.xml,but when i go to patrons, it says there is no result and the error log also didn't display any error!
07:41 chris Evening
07:45 magnus evening, chris
07:52 kf hi chris
07:52 kf ghi: sorry, I have no experience with ldap. probably better try the mailing lists, bigger audience there
07:54 kf chris: saw your exchange with galen in the logs - is acq upgrade the only blocker for release right now?
07:54 ghi kf: thank you
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07:58 slef ghi: check your system preferences, then check the ldap server logs to see if it disagreed with koha, but there's too many possibilities.
07:58 slef oops
07:59 slef too slow :-/
07:59 slef biab
07:59 * magnus goes to read the log
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08:32 chris kf: yes
08:32 chris kf: i updated the bug with some more info about how i worked around it for hlt
08:33 kf yep, read it
08:34 kf i saw that u used a file for export and import - can this work for the web installer too?
08:36 slef @wunder weston-super-mare
08:36 munin slef: The current temperature in Weston-Super-Mare, United Kingdom is 14.1�C (9:45 AM BST on August 24, 2010). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 29.73 in 1006.7 hPa (Steady).
08:36 slef Light???  Would someone mind telling the world to obey the reports?
08:36 kf @wunder Konstanz
08:36 munin kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 21.4�C (10:46 AM CEST on August 24, 2010). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 19.0�C. Pressure: 29.82 in 1009.7 hPa (Steady).
08:37 kf warmer here, but we share the rain showers
08:37 slef The rain showers here would be more accurately described as "hammering" or "torrential"
08:38 kf ok, it's better here
08:38 kf but still annoying, we have a lot of rain this year
08:38 chris kf: not easily
08:39 kf chris: ok
08:40 chris but it might help galen figure out a way round
08:43 paul_p hi chris & kf & slef & magnus & al
08:43 kf hi paul_p
08:44 magnus hi paul_p
08:44 magnus @wunder bodo
08:44 munin magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 14.0�C (10:20 AM CEST on August 24, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa (Steady).
08:44 magnus not a cloud in sight here...
08:45 kf :)
08:45 kf ok, meeting, bbl
08:45 chris hi paul_p
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08:46 slef magnus: mine are heading your way :P
08:46 magnus slef: you can keep them if you want
08:47 magnus slef: looks like we will steer clear, fingers crossed:[…]psmarka/long.html
09:07 chris slef: did you want to send a bio and/or a photo for ?
09:12 slef chris: didn't I already do that?
09:13 chris not that i got
09:13 slef I thought it was Kristina who emailed me.  I'll resend and cc you.
09:13 chris ahh i emailed first, i think she sent reminders out
09:13 chris cool thanks
09:59 wajasu i think i found out why my git clone was hanging.  i changed my MTU from 576 and now I get 10x the network bandwidth. Sheesh. And the git clone works and is fast.
10:02 chris heh yeah that'd do it
10:26 chris hdl++
10:31 chris slef:[…]ogram/bio.html#mj
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10:36 slef chris: Thanks.  Any chance of </p><p> before "His key" and <a href=""></a> ?
10:37 chris yup
10:37 chris 2 secs
10:37 slef ta
10:37 magnus chris: am i right in thinking that hdl's patch is a partial fix for the acq blocker?
10:38 chris yup
10:40 magnus cool!
10:40 chris slef: hows that?
10:42 slef chris: link great, break ok - no space between paragraphs on that page?
10:43 slef eww, it's all <br />s - rather you than me and don't let Stuart Yeates find out ;-)
10:43 magnus "Open Library & Koha Sitting In A Tree"? sounds intriguing...
10:44 chris i changed it to <p>
10:44 slef hehe
10:44 slef cool, thanks
10:45 chris magnus: yeah that should be a good presentation, we are working on some thigns to show off
10:46 chris the road trip gets into wellington on the 24th right?
10:46 slef There are all these "open <somethign>" projects but few seem to have "HOWTO use this in your other open library software" guides.
10:47 slef chris: I forget where to find out :) let me check
10:47 chris yeah open library are pretty good about that, and getting better
10:47 slef I think it gets in on the Monday
10:48 chris
10:48 slef or maybe it's the Sunday
10:48 chris hmm, the monday is the first day of conference, so i hope sunday :)
10:48 slef damn, this isn't clear... and S has the itinerary with her
10:48 chris magnus: you are doing the roadtrip too eh?
10:49 slef Well, the road trip refers to "2 nights accommodation"
10:49 slef figure it out from that :)
10:49 chris :)
10:49 magnus yup, we get to Wellington sunday, as far as i can tell
10:49 chris sweet
10:50 magnus i think that is one night in auckland, and one on the road
10:50 chris yeah that makes sense
10:50 magnus
10:51 chris
10:51 chris so if you hear people talking about bucklame .. they mean auckland :)
10:52 magnus nice to know
10:52 chris or dorkland
10:52 magnus ;-)
10:53 magnus any names for wellington? ;
10:53 chris not really, not that i know of
10:53 chris apart from windy wellington
10:54 magnus perhaps because you live in wellington and people don't use the funny names to your face? ;-)
10:54 chris hehe could be
10:54 chris im sure that wouldnt stop the dorklanders :)
10:55 chris ill have to ask at work tomorrow
10:58 * magnus goes in search of some much needed lunch
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11:47 indradg hi #koha
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11:55 paul_p any sysop around ? chris / chris_n, gmcharlt, kf_mtg wizzyrea  ?
11:56 kf_mtg here
11:56 kf_mtg is now known as kf
11:56 paul_p hdl can't reach us, he get a :  Closing Link: (Too many host connections (local))
11:56 kf came back from lunch 5 minutes ago
11:56 paul_p so mtg means lunch for you ? I like your meetings, feel free to invite me any time :D
11:57 kf it started with a meeting that was so long, it was too late for cafeteria
11:58 kf paul_p; I am not sure what I can do
11:58 kf chris: still around?
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11:59 paul_p strange... everyone except me has left the channel, and hdl still can't connect :(
11:59 kf :(
12:01 kf paul_p: I tried google on the error message, but not sure where the problem is, perhaps it's a problem with
12:02 paul_p kf, I don't think so because i'm 1m far from hdl
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12:11 gmcharlt paul_p: si would be a better bet - can he reach any channel on ?
12:13 collum tr@v@n40
12:14 kf hi gmcharlt :)
12:15 paul_p 'morning gmcharlt
12:17 collum oops - time to change that password :)
12:19 magnus collum: we won't tell anyone... ;-)
12:19 collum Thanks.  I changed it anyway.
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12:23 laurenthd hi
12:24 kf hi hdl
12:24 kf have you found the problem?
12:24 laurenthd which one ?
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12:24 kf not being able to login to #koha
12:25 hdl using mibbit to connect
12:25 hdl looks like the irc server is refusing me access
12:26 hdl because we are quite a number of folks using the same ip
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12:31 hilongo Hello #koha  :)
12:34 slef hdl: can you switch to ipv6 and get more IPs? ;-)
12:34 slef (does this server support ipv6?)
12:35 slef hdl: alternative, use ssh -L and connect to localhost as IRC server, bouncing off of a biblibre server IP ;-)
12:35 slef not perfect but OK
12:43 hilongo A quick question about fines ...
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12:43 hilongo I am trying 3.2 and have set up circ rules to use days suspension and not maney fines
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12:44 hilongo *but* after I run ... nothing gets into the fines account of the users with overdue books  :(
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12:46 hilongo I put the Koha_DEBUG to 1 and I've found that the insertions fail because a duplicated entry '1'
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12:48 hilongo anyone who's working with fine days?
12:48 hdl hilongo : I have
12:49 hilongo hello hdl :)
12:50 hilongo I am testing 3.2 but I can't get fine days to work
12:52 hdl we have done work on that on our master branch.
12:52 hdl But I have to rebase on 3.2
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12:53 hilongo I see...
12:54 hilongo so ... how does it work? ... you run nightly and the days amount gets in the patron's account?
12:55 hdl No, it is juste updating debarred as a date
12:55 hdl and using that date to check whether it is over or still active
12:55 hilongo aah .. I see
12:57 hilongo but I thought debarred was a yes/no flag
12:57 hdl you can test that on
12:57 hdl hilongo : we changed the yes/no flag to be a date
12:59 hilongo great .. that sounds good for us :)
12:59 jcamins_a is now known as jcamins
12:59 hilongo any idea about when / if these changes will get into 3.2??
13:00 jcamins Good morning.
13:00 hilongo Good morning jcamins
13:00 hdl I have to work on rebase.
13:02 hilongo ok hdl ... I wish you very good luck with that  :)
13:06 jwagner @later tell reva Sorry I had to leave in a hurry last night. I tested your situation on a current head server, and it also does not read the 852 i to build the item call number.  As I suggested last night, this would seem to be a Koha bug and not related to the version being run on our demo site.  You should probably open a bugzilla report on the problem.
13:06 munin jwagner: The operation succeeded.
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13:33 jcamins jwagner: Thanks for the jQuery snippet a few weeks ago. I was able to figure out how to add a custom bookplate on opac-details using jQuery yesterday. :)
13:42 jwagner jcamins, you're welcome
13:47 jcamins Testing Amazon covers is really hard with a collection full of weird books that Amazon doesn't sell.
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13:54 kf jcamind: I ended up importing some records where I knew there was a cover
13:55 jcamins That would have made sense. I tried searching for only books from 2000 or later, and just paging through the results until I found something.
13:55 jcamins It turns out the covers are working fine.
13:55 jcamins :)
13:57 jcamins And I used brendan's CSS snippet to put in a bookplate instead of "cover not found."
14:02 jcamins Our logo is a bit bold, but I think it probably looks better than "No cover image available."
14:03 wizzyrea link or it didn't happen ;)
14:03 jcamins[…]sort_by=relevance
14:03 jcamins wizzyrea: I have eagerly been awaiting someone asking that.
14:03 wizzyrea oh that's very nice
14:04 wizzyrea that bookplate covers up the amazon image not found?
14:04 jcamins Right.
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14:04 wizzyrea just to be sure, you may want to make super double sure that doing that is ok under amazon's terms of service. I can't imagine that it's not, but corporations are weird.
14:05 wizzyrea but it looks fabulous
14:05 wizzyrea :)
14:05 wizzyrea :D
14:05 jcamins Hm, yeah, I guess we should probably check.
14:05 wizzyrea wish I had a logo that looked that awesome as a bookplate.
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14:06 jcamins It looks like Koha provides the "no cover image available" text, so I don't think we're obscuring anything provided by Amazon.
14:06 wizzyrea cool beans
14:06 wizzyrea but that really does look faboo
14:07 jcamins Thanks.
14:07 jwagner It does look very nice indeed
14:08 sekjal wizzyrea: you could maybe get some generic bound-book cover (in maroon or blue or green or whatever), and then adjust the "no image found" text to look like a title printed on that cover
14:08 wizzyrea Ooh. That is a good idea
14:08 sekjal perhaps in some kind of gold-leaf like color and weight
14:08 wizzyrea hehe I can see you've thought a lot about that
14:10 sekjal it would be even better if we could use the title instead of 'no image found', but that would involve more than just CSS
14:10 sekjal and could be problematic for long titles
14:10 wizzyrea yea
14:10 kf jcamins: it took a long time to load the book plate for me
14:11 jcamins kf: Yeah, that's on our regular web server.
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14:11 briceSanc hi koha
14:12 briceSanc do you know how can i log the response of a SQL import in a koha script ?
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14:16 libtek Good morning.  I was wondering if anyone here is running Koha for their library independantly without 3rd party support.  In other words, is anyone here doing their own support?
14:17 jcamins libtek: we did it briefly.
14:17 jcamins Suffice it to say, we love working with ByWater.
14:18 sekjal jcamins: thanks, we love working with you, too.
14:18 wajasu looking into how to customize the OPAC details biblio display for an academic library so that various MARC xxx fields are shown.  It looks like each new field needs to be "made available" for the HTML::Template, as well as the template updated accordingly.
14:18 briceSanc hi sekjal !
14:19 sekjal hi briceSanc
14:19 jcamins wajasu: we found working with the XSLT much easier.
14:20 libtek jcamins: what prompted you to move to 3rd party support?
14:21 jcamins (answering off-channel)
14:22 wajasu i could go there. i looked into it.  (i.e. removed trailing slash in titles).  Is the whole MARCXML record present and we just pick what we would like to show.
14:22 wajasu i keep wanting to write procedural code and have to think XSLT.
14:24 jcamins wajasu: yeah, it requires some adjustments, but you have everything available, and customization is easier.
14:25 wajasu does the theme support allow me to grab an existing XSLT, copying it to a new "templatedirectory" and it will override the default XSLT, still using all the other stuff as is.
14:25 briceSanc what do you thnk about an extension manager in Koha (like TYPO3)?
14:26 jcamins wajasu: I don't think so, but that's an awesome idea.
14:28 sekjal alright, #koha, got a meeting; be back in a bit
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14:28 wizzyrea i love the idea of extensions in koha
14:29 briceSanc it could be a good feature for Koha 3.6
14:29 wajasu yeah.  then I can build koha as a distribution package, then my customization would be an optional dependency to install.
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14:30 wajasu did you all use an XSLT editor? if so, which one?
14:31 jcamins wajasu: vim. ;)
14:31 wajasu thats what i use.
14:33 jcamins What tags do you need to add to the OPAC?
14:35 wajasu i need to add 10+ marc fields to my biblio details that are "missing" as my librarian cries.   let me find an email request I got.
14:40 wajasu my librarian wants:
14:42 jcamins Oh, so it's not that they're missing, it's that they want a different format.
14:43 jcamins (the first "they" being tags, the second librarians)
14:44 wajasu yeah. i wondered if the whole markxml record from the DB is the input to the XSLT stylesheet, and i would be working against that.  Or would I need to inject in perl code other XML from database fields.
14:45 jcamins The XSLT works with the entire MARCXML record.
14:46 jcamins Possibly excepting the items... perhaps someone else knows that for sure?
14:46 wajasu ok. thats what i wanted to confirm.  and the XSLT outputs HTML and CSS is used for presentation.
14:49 wajasu lets say i spent time doing such a thing, which I assume is a common request, I'd like to have a clean way to configure and override the existing perl/XSLT files without touching the original in the distribution.
14:51 jcamins I don't know how to do that, but I would *love* to have that ability.
14:51 wajasu so when updates/release show up, the override "may" work.  that way i can manage customizations in the OS package manager.
14:52 wajasu but then I would want to be able to configure the available views "Normal, MARC, ... Academic", with Academic being my default for my library.
14:54 jwagner wajasu, I've been wanting to have local XSLT stylesheets for a while.  BibLibre was working on something that was supposed to allow for it.
14:55 wajasu i guess i'll try extending the latest XSLT now, and if I'm successful, I'll look into how to make it pluggable. maybe some more logic in how the template is selected.
14:55 wajasu i wanted to learn what the idea of a "theme" is, and what it can do for me.
14:57 wajasu if i can add a "custommade" theme that has a different JPG/GIF, then can I also add a different XSLTtemplate.
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15:13 aarkerio hi! buenos d�as,  in what menu is the option to add my first book?
15:13 aarkerio Cataloging ?
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15:23 wajasu yes. cataloguing.  you add a biblio ( search via z3950 server ), and add an item(i.e. book) for that biblio.
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15:28 aarkerio I don't understand,  why I am searching?
15:31 jcamins jwagner: I just saw your SFX patch.
15:32 jwagner Yes, we finally got mail working on my dev server & I got around to resending it.
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15:32 jwagner Now if I could get time to work on some of the _other_ patches on my list....
15:33 jcamins Heh. I have a couple of patches for MARC21 COiNS support that I need to resubmit, but one could build on your patch to support fine-grained link resolving with COiNS.
15:34 jcamins (once I submit those patches, which is prolblematic because they predate my understanding how to use git properly)
15:41 * wizzyrea wonders if anyone has ever written a book titled "using git properly"
15:42 * jcamins nominates wizzyrea for writing that book
15:42 wizzyrea noooo
15:42 wizzyrea no no no no no
15:42 wizzyrea that would be a mistake of epic proportions
15:42 * jcamins looks very sad, like the cat in Shrek
15:43 wizzyrea now Chris...
15:43 wizzyrea or gmcharlt...
15:43 wizzyrea those guys might be able to write it
15:43 gmcharlt with lots of help - ideally Linus would right it, then have an editor to translate to remove the "Git-qua-Linus" aspects of the text
15:45 jcamins I could probably write "how not to use git."
15:45 wizzyrea ^^ me too
15:45 wizzyrea though I'm getting better I think
15:45 jcamins It could be shelved in the geek humor section.
15:46 jcamins "Can you believe he did THAT?!? HAhahahahaha!"
15:57 jcamins Oh wow! You can resize text boxes in the Add MARC window.
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16:32 Braedon jcamins: actually, due to Koha? or are you using the firefox beta?
16:33 Braedon o, wait. apparently 30 minutes has past since you sent the message i was replying to... damn you empathy with your random quits
16:34 Braedon sorry
16:34 jcamins Oh. I don't know.
16:34 jcamins I'm on Chrome.
16:34 Braedon ahh, ok
16:34 jcamins I guess that might be it.
16:35 jcamins Well, whatever the reason, resizing text boxes is really cool.
16:35 Braedon I use the firefox dailys, and a while ago i was like wow, gmail implemented resizing text boxes, awesome.
16:35 Braedon took me a day to realise it was firefox doing it, not some javascript magic
16:35 Braedon and yes, yes it is :P
16:35 wizzyrea i love that in chrome
16:36 wizzyrea has made my epic jquery sojourns of late bearable
16:36 jcamins See, one of you should have taken credit for it. I wouldn't have known. ;)
16:40 wizzyrea oh yea that was me >.>
16:40 wizzyrea j/k
16:40 wizzyrea totally not
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16:44 Braedon on a totally unrelated and offtopic note, anyone here happen to be a referencing wizard?
16:44 Braedon I really need to reference this:[…]tware-Engineering But it doesn't seem to be published anywhere.
16:44 Braedon Of course that would normally mean that i shouldn't and wouldn't reference it, but as i am writing a paper set 15 years in the future(don't ask), relevant resources are extremely hard to come by.
16:45 jcamins Braedon: you're probably on the right kind of channel.
16:45 Braedon i hope so. I am looking kinda doomed at the moment :P
16:46 slef any kohacon10 organisers awake? I'm confused again :-(
16:47 Braedon there seems to be a almost complete lack of reference-able information on sustainable software development. it is very frustraiting. I have found 1 book, with no electronic copy, and that paper, which is written by a student and not published.
16:47 Braedon slef: it is 5am in New Zealand if that helps
16:47 slef Why does Braedon need to reference "1 Rule to a Flat Stomach: Obey"?  Or is scribd broken for me again? ;-)
16:48 Braedon haha, i'm going to go with broken
16:48 Braedon either that or my sleep deprivation is really getting to me
16:49 jcamins The link worked for me.
16:49 slef Braedon:[…]ustainability.xml
16:49 slef jcamins: I think scribd gets upset if it gets told it can't have scripts and cookies.
16:50 slef Braedon: I don't know if that's any help.
16:50 jcamins Braedon: reference it as an unpublished manuscript, if you can't find anything else to use instead.
16:50 collum Braedon: worked for me in explorer, not FF, or chrome.
16:52 Braedon slef: thanks for the link - may be able to get something out of it
17:01 collum Braedon:[…]/unpublished.html
17:03 Braedon hmm, ok. thanks collum
17:04 hdl collum: if you can test the patch I sent today, i would be gratefull.
17:08 collum hdl:  Are you getting me and collin mixed up again? :)
17:08 hdl omg...
17:08 hdl I think so.
17:09 hdl sorry, end of a day
17:09 collum np. I wasn't as confused this time.
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17:41 tcohen hi, if anyone has seen my recent patches
17:41 tcohen i'm willing to discuss them
17:41 tcohen whenever you want!
17:42 sekjal tcohen: regardless of the outcome of cronjob vs. daemon, I appreciate having access to the various functions.  I think what you've done opens up more options for us
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18:34 cfouts tcohen: the way we handle servicing both real-time and on-request updates is to use Dan Berstein's daemontools package to trigger and accept index update requests
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18:34 cfouts requires no modifications to
18:35 cfouts can have a time-based trigger spawned by cron, then also have whatever other tools trigger a rebuild based on whatever criteria
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18:59 chris
18:59 chris quick!!
19:00 slef Dan Bernstein's tools generally should be avoided IMO. qmail is a pain that shouldn't be repeated.
19:00 slef chris: too late, already booked
19:00 slef looked at internal flight prices today.  Ouch.
19:00 wizzyrea aww, that's a good deal. Oh well
19:00 * wizzyrea is totally booked for the trip, save the car, which may be optional anyway
19:00 slef whose dollars are they in?
19:00 chris gotta be us
19:02 chris the problem i can see with the daemontools is it has the overhead of starting perl, making db connection, etc each time, which is a significant performance hit
19:02 slef Not that much better for UK than I got, actually. :-)
19:03 chris sweet slef :)
19:03 chris flights from where?
19:03 slef chris: speaking of bookings, Oct 28 seems to be double-booked on
19:03 cfouts chris: that hasn't been my experience. that part is actually pretty low overhead, particularly when a human is staring at a web browser waiting for it to happen.
19:03 slef chris: London-Auckland
19:04 chris slef: i meant the internal ones :)
19:04 slef chris: oic. Wellington - something on the south island
19:04 slef biab, sorry, dinner calls
19:04 chris cfouts: its gotta be higher overhead than a long running process :)
19:04 chris slef: anywhere except christchurch will be expensive
19:05 chris i do quite like the inotify idea tho
19:05 jcamins chris: Argh! And I had finally made peace with not going!
19:05 chris lol
19:05 wizzyrea it's not too late!
19:05 chris i do what i can!
19:06 chris jcamins: <-- is one of our sponsors now
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19:07 chris k bbiab
19:08 cfouts slef: I used to service 40k customer email boxes with qmail. it worked quite nicely, actually.
19:10 chris cfouts: im guessing slef was talking about licensing
19:10 cfouts chris: sure, but it's a matter of degree. I'm sure there's *some* degree of overhead saved, but when you're comparing the expense of that to writing and maintaining yet-another-daemon-which-l​istens-to-remote-commands, I'm not sure how well it measures
19:10 jcamins ::sigh:: I really still can't afford it.
19:10 jcamins Well, I'll think about it wistfully for a few days.
19:11 wizzyrea jcamins: the exchange rate is pretty good atm >.>
19:13 jcamins Figures that my conference in LA is Nov. 18-21.
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19:27 briceSanc i've a problem, i want to index 100K auths in zebra, but i have the error :Adjust the limits in your zebra.cfg
19:28 briceSanc i don't find the zebra.cfg file but i found zebra-authorities.cfg
19:28 jcamins Yes, that's the file you need to edit.
19:29 jcamins change where it says :4G to :16G
19:29 wizzyrea ^^
19:29 wizzyrea what he said
19:29 jcamins (it's at the end of two lines, I don't remember which two)
19:29 briceSanc i already change 4G to 7G
19:29 jcamins Okay, change 7G to 16G
19:29 briceSanc ok
19:29 jcamins Or 20G.
19:29 briceSanc i try
19:30 wizzyrea I have 340k, and I use 16g
19:30 wizzyrea (for my test server)
19:30 jcamins It must be nice, to be at a library which has subscriptions to authority data.
19:32 briceSanc Do i need to change memMax:50M ?
19:32 jcamins wizzyrea: ?
19:32 jcamins I don't think we changed that.
19:32 wizzyrea I don't believe I had to change mine
19:32 * wizzyrea goes to look
19:32 jcamins On the other hand, if you have lots of memory on your server, what's the disadvantage?
19:33 wizzyrea no, I didn't change mine, it's still 50M
19:33 briceSanc ok
19:33 briceSanc and i don't change shadow:1G ?
19:33 jcamins
19:33 jcamins Change that to the same as the other one.
19:33 jcamins At least, that's what we did.
19:34 jcamins I guess I don't know if it's actually necessary.
19:35 briceSanc ok
19:35 briceSanc i try this
19:35 briceSanc thanks for your answers
19:35 briceSanc see u later!
19:36 jcamins briceSanc: it looks like indexing will go faster if you increase memMax.
19:36 jcamins wizzyrea: ^^
19:37 wizzyrea things normally go better with more memory, just in general
19:37 wizzyrea but duly noted
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19:37 briceSanc ok
19:37 briceSanc thanks
19:38 briceSanc bye (i need to go)
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19:38 wizzyrea bye
19:47 chris You do need to change the shadow
19:47 chris Just for the record
19:49 chris It was probably that causing the error
19:49 chris Cos 7g was probably enough
19:50 chris We build the shadow first then replace the live with it
19:50 chris So if the index fails live still works
19:50 chris So it was most likely barfing on that
19:50 wizzyrea chris always a fount of information
19:51 chris Usually its wrong
19:51 chris :)
19:51 wizzyrea pft
19:53 wajasu from a koha clone, how does one make a release tar  (just tar cvf koha_ver.tar kohaclone/*)  ?
19:54 chris Nope
19:54 wajasu my distributions package building script works from a tar (i.e the beta's) and I want to be able to test/install easily.
19:54 chris there's a script that does it
19:55 chris When I get to work ill find it
19:55 chris (On the bus)
19:55 wajasu i see a line in Makefile.PL  Makefile.PL:    make manifest tardist
19:55 chris Yeah that's it
19:56 wajasu perl Makefile.PL manifest tardist   then?
19:56 wajasu that starts an interactive install [single/dev]
19:57 wajasu my other option is to clone the lxc container i'm running in, and just do a dev install.
19:58 wizzyrea is there a proper bug for the (ahem) idiotic add items table?
19:58 wizzyrea because in my current state, typing "idiotic add items table" doesn't bring back any bugs :P
19:59 chris run the
19:59 wizzyrea where idiotic = shows totally pointless marc fields first
19:59 chris And instead of make install
19:59 wizzyrea and puts the useful information by the scroll
19:59 chris make manifest tardist
20:01 sekjal I'd love to run the command "make manifest TARDIS", and have it work
20:01 chris Change the framework wiz?
20:01 wizzyrea hehehehehe sekjal
20:01 * wizzyrea hears the tardis sound emanating from her computer
20:01 wizzyrea omg sekjal... what did you DO
20:01 wizzyrea j/k
20:03 sekjal it's okay, I just opened the Eye of Harmony
20:03 sekjal harmony's a good thing, right?
20:04 wajasu that way I can confirm the latest code has a bug.  (i.e. I'm running 3wks old beta, and XSLT opacdetails doesn't show Series: )  I want to confirm.
20:06 wajasu nice to see that dom is the default now instead of grs1
20:07 chris Ur life will be much easier and will make sending patches easier if you run a testing/dev install from a git clone (dev not standard)
20:07 chris And do packages for production
20:09 wajasu you are right.  I'll do a dev install.  then just do git pull to update.
20:09 chris *nod*
20:11 * chris is lazy
20:14 brendan @wunder 93117
20:14 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 24.9�C (1:21 PM PDT on August 24, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.81 in 1009.4 hPa (Falling).
20:14 chris @wunder wellington,nz
20:14 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 6.0�C (8:00 AM NZST on August 25, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Windchill: 4.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
20:16 chris Ok my stop, back after a coffee
20:16 wizzyrea it's perfect here today
20:16 wizzyrea @wunder lawrence, ks
20:16 munin wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 25.4�C (3:27 PM CDT on August 24, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 17.0�C. Pressure: 30.08 in 1018.5 hPa (Steady).
20:17 wizzyrea almost as perfect as california.
20:19 jcamins @wunder 11105
20:19 munin jcamins: The current temperature in Astoria, Astoria, New York is 21.3�C (4:25 PM EDT on August 24, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014.1 hPa (Steady).
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20:19 richard hi
20:19 jcamins Overcast? That's it. Huh. I guess it's nicer out than it looks.
20:27 jcamins Has the location in item listings always linked back to the library's website?
20:27 jcamins (on the OPAC)
20:34 chris back
20:39 jcamins And it is my cue to leave.
20:39 jcamins Have a good night, #koha
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20:57 chris hey look its backwards kristina :)
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21:08 jo just been interviewed for NZ herald about koha
21:08 chris oh yeah?
21:08 brendan hey jo - that's cool
21:08 chris cool
21:08 jo and been accused of being communist!
21:08 chris by the reporter?
21:09 jo for asking how can we as a country NOT use open source - like the albany high open source model for our schools
21:09 jo and koha in our public libraries
21:09 brendan heh - oh boy
21:10 chris did you say, so plumbers are communists? waiters? barstaff?
21:10 jo i think he was laughing
21:10 chris free software is a service industry, nothing communist about it, is my standard response
21:10 jo bloody hope he was
21:11 anitsirk chris: yes. it is. :-) quite easy to remember
21:11 jo anyways ....
21:11 chris we'll see :)
21:11 jo yep.
21:11 chris jo: when did we go live .. may ?
21:11 jo at least it will get koha on the national pages
21:12 jo 27 may we did the deed
21:12 chris ta
21:12 jo went live on 28
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21:14 chris hey russ
21:14 chris jo: did they say when it might be published?
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21:16 chobbs Tried this question yesterday, didn't get an answer before I needed to log off, so I'll try again: The docs say "TIP: Marking an item Lost via the edit item page will automatically put a fine on the patron's record for the replacement cost of the item". That's not happening on our system (3.00.05). Any ideas?
21:18 chris chobbs: its been fixed for 3.2.0
21:18 chobbs Sweet :-)
21:20 chobbs How painful an upgrade will it be? We've done our conversio this summer, and I'm doing training on Thursday for the librarians in our system. I'd almost rather pull the trigger now than have to re-train on anything in a few weeks...
21:20 * chobbs understands that 3.2.0 is basically done, short of an acquisitions problem?
21:23 chris thats right
21:29 chris id wait for the rc i think
21:29 chobbs Hmm. This is where running vmware comes in handy. Tonight I'll snapshot my koha box, install the latest, and see what it's like, then revert to snapshot if I need to.
21:29 chobbs Any idea on rc release date?
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21:47 jo Chris:no they didn't. they interviewed Rachel as well. she might know
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22:29 jo Question: what 'events' trigger the last seen date to update? Presume it is check in?, check out?, edit item? and therefore batch moficication of items?
22:30 jo does anyone know - virtual chocolate fish to the people with answers :)
22:36 chobbs jo: you can add import to the list - just converted our library and last seen for everything was set to the import date :-)
22:38 jo cool - thanks Chobbs. (flings a chocolate fish across the etherspace)
22:39 chobbs Man, summer finally arrived in northern California...
22:39 chobbs @wunder 94568
22:39 munin chobbs: The current temperature in Country Club Elementary School, San Ramon, California is 41.2�C (3:49 PM PDT on August 24, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 16%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.72 in 1006.3 hPa (Falling). Heat advisory in effect until 8 PM PDT Wednesday...
22:40 robin they should get some aircon for that school
22:41 jo 41 degrees ... good lord thats hot
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22:41 brendan wow
22:41 brendan @wunder 93117
22:41 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 23.9�C (3:51 PM PDT on August 24, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.79 in 1008.7 hPa (Falling).
22:41 robin more pleasant:
22:41 robin @wunder wellington, nz
22:41 chobbs much!
22:41 munin robin: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 8.0�C (10:00 AM NZST on August 25, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Windchill: 6.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
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22:42 jo @wunder @levin, nz
22:42 chobbs high is supposed to drop 35 deg F over the next 4 days though...
22:42 munin jo: Error: No such location could be found.
22:42 robin jo: too many @'s
22:42 jo so, wunder, are you saying Levin doesn't exist lol
22:42 robin @wunder levin, nz
22:42 munin robin: The current temperature in LEVIN, Levin, New Zealand is 13.5�C (10:52 AM NZST on August 25, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1015.5 hPa (Steady).
22:43 jo tahnsk robin
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