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New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'origin/new/bug3756_reenable_local_sysprefs' of git://git.tamil.fr/git... <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]79c8d1f1ca2e24085> / Bug 3756 Don't display as local AutoSelfCheckID syspref and others <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]af401a7e2bf80f677> |
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New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5046 - fix the zebra authorities configuration <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]cce54cae5609e3a7f> |
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Amit |
hi chris |
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hi Amit |
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kf |
hi #kooha |
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magnus |
hiya kf & #koha |
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kf |
morning magnus |
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chris |
evening |
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magnus |
good time of the day, chris |
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chris |
:) |
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hi |
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hi hdl |
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hi hdl |
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hi hdl |
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kf |
fredericd: around? |
| 09:49 |
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fredericd |
kf: hello |
| 09:55 |
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kf |
frederic: hi frederic |
| 09:57 |
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kf |
frederic: I wonder about the yes/no values in the sys prefs |
| 09:57 |
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kf |
I have a installation where I get no and yes values in the database |
| 09:57 |
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fredericd |
not good |
| 09:58 |
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fredericd |
I thing it can't occur anymore |
| 09:58 |
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fredericd |
you should update your systempreferences table |
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kf |
I have |
| 09:58 |
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kf |
but the pref file is the problem |
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kf |
I jsut have no idea why it is wrong |
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fredericd |
Do you have an example? I will compare with French .po file |
| 09:59 |
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kf |
the difference between this installation and my dev installation is standard vs. dev install and updated from 3.01.61 vs. much later install from head |
| 10:00 |
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kf |
it's "no" and "yes" instead of "" and "1" - the english file is always yes and no - why are the translated files different? |
| 10:01 |
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fredericd |
Could you give a specific .pref file and a systempreference? |
| 10:02 |
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kf |
mom |
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kf |
searching :) |
| 10:04 |
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kf |
I was testing hidelostitems in different installations |
| 10:05 |
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kf |
hm, ok. I checked the po files - sys pref po file is older than the rest. perhaps my coworker forgot to get a new file from pootle when he updated the server installation |
| 10:07 |
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fredericd |
kf: In your .po file, what do you have? 0 or no / 1 or yes? |
| 10:07 |
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fredericd |
You should have 0/1 |
| 10:20 |
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kf |
fredericd: I use the same po files in my dev installtion . everything reight there |
| 10:24 |
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fredericd |
kf: There is just one test which matter. Switch your koha interface into German. Modify a boolean syspref and after that check that you haven't a yes/no in the DB. |
| 10:25 |
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kf |
fredericd: in my dev install its 0 or 1, all ok there, let me check again to be sure in our standard install |
| 10:27 |
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kf |
fredericd: I think the problem is different. In our standard install the translation of sys prefs has a major problem that does not occur in my dev install |
| 10:28 |
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kf |
fredericd: the text is not translated at all, and when I change something its yes or no in the database |
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fredericd |
On which version is you standard install? |
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kf |
fredericd: after talking to my coworker it seems that he was not able to use the translate script, so he did use another script or process |
| 10:29 |
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kf |
it's slightly older than dev, last update 2 weeks ago Koha Version: 3.01.00.142 |
| 10:29 |
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fredericd |
so you have an explanation... |
| 10:29 |
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kf |
yes, but another problem |
| 10:29 |
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kf |
why does "perl translate install de-DE" work for me, but not in our standard install? there are a lot of error messages and wrong paths |
| 10:30 |
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kf |
http://paste.koha-community.org/32 |
| 10:30 |
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fredericd |
Are both of those Koha instances development installations? |
| 10:31 |
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kf |
no, the problem occurs in a standard installation |
| 10:32 |
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chris |
you exported KOHA_CONF ? |
| 10:32 |
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kf |
he send me part of the error message, see my paste |
| 10:32 |
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kf |
hi chris |
| 10:32 |
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chris |
it uses that to work out the paths to the template files |
| 10:32 |
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kf |
he did work out a patch, but a strange one |
| 10:33 |
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kf |
it... |
| 10:33 |
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chris |
you are sure KOHA_CONF was set before he ran the translate eh? |
| 10:33 |
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fredericd |
'translate' script doesn't work with standard installation, only with devel install |
| 10:33 |
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kf |
I think he did something in the configuration so they are always set - but will go back and ask him - give me a min |
| 10:34 |
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kf |
hm |
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kf |
fredericd: did you test? |
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chris |
kf: he wrote it, so i'll believe him :) |
| 10:35 |
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chris |
you can do it with the tmpl_process3.pl instead of using translate in standard (the old way) |
| 10:35 |
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kf |
chris: I think thats what he did |
| 10:35 |
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kf |
but it does not work for system preferences |
| 10:36 |
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chris |
right |
| 10:36 |
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kf |
Im not sure what he did to translate the sys pref files - and it did not work. |
| 10:36 |
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kf |
ok, so perhaps we need to document that it will not work with a standard install :( |
| 10:37 |
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chris |
you could run it in the git repo, and copy it over |
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kf |
are there any advantages using a standard install? |
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kf |
now we even have features that don't work with standard |
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| 10:38 |
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chris |
that needs to be fixed, 99% of ppl will run standard |
| 10:38 |
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chris |
ie, download the tarball and install from there |
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fredericd |
kf: It's not a feature for standart install. In a standart install, people will not execute this script |
| 10:39 |
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kf |
because they get the templates from the tarball - if they choose the big version |
| 10:39 |
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fredericd |
yes |
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kf |
but I think there are many reasons you might want to update your translations |
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fredericd |
so update your installation |
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kf |
I'm improving them all the time |
| 10:40 |
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fredericd |
kf: you're not a standart koha user. You have to run a devel installation |
| 10:40 |
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kf |
ok, at least I know now where the problem is |
| 10:40 |
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kf |
fredericd: what is a standard koha user? |
| 10:40 |
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fredericd |
good question... |
| 10:40 |
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kf |
our production systems are standard installations - because we thought that was the way to go |
| 10:40 |
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chris |
they dont update translations for a start :) |
| 10:41 |
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chris |
they install, and use |
| 10:41 |
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kf |
hmpf. :) |
| 10:41 |
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chris |
you are a developer |
| 10:42 |
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chris |
none of us in here are standard users |
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kf |
ok |
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chris |
soon, translations will be packaged |
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kf |
what do you think is the way to go? we talked about using the debian packages - is this for standard users too and git is the way to go for developers? |
| 10:43 |
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chris |
i use the packages |
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chris |
for production |
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fredericd |
my opinion is that as soon as you have to tweak anything in your koha instance, templates, perl file, translation, you need to run a devel instance |
| 10:43 |
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kf |
we will want to update translation in production systems - getting rid of all the typos |
| 10:43 |
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chris |
for our hosted users anyway |
| 10:44 |
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chris |
yup, you do the updates in testing kf, then roll them out to a staging environment (in a new package) |
| 10:44 |
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chris |
then if it passes |
| 10:44 |
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chris |
you upgrade the packages on your production machine |
| 10:44 |
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kf |
uh, I have no idea how to do that |
| 10:44 |
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kf |
testing - ok, but I have no idea about package management |
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chris |
you'll learn at the dev conference |
| 10:45 |
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chris |
its actually not very hard at all, because of the scripts lars and robin have written |
| 10:45 |
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kf |
but not sure we want to have our own packages - |
| 10:45 |
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chris |
eventually the translations will be their own package |
| 10:46 |
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kf |
just a possibility to update installations with po files from pootle |
| 10:46 |
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chris |
id still do that with packages |
| 10:46 |
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chris |
update the translations test, then installed the tested packages on all the machines |
| 10:47 |
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kf |
fredericd: thx for your help. sorry, that it took so long to figure out the problem. |
| 10:48 |
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fredericd |
chris: This packages stuff seems to be a good argument to come to koha conf... |
| 10:48 |
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kf |
chris: not sure I can learn all that during the dev conference - you say I am a developer, but I have still very little programming and linux knowledge. |
| 10:48 |
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kf |
my coworker does the server administation here. We talkes about some major changes for 3.2 - changing from standard install to the packages or a dev install |
| 10:49 |
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chris |
oh, im sure you can kf |
| 10:49 |
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chris |
you are a fast learner, and we have some good teachers coming along |
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chris |
fredericd: ... it is ... we plan some good git tips and tricks to, including automated builds |
| 10:50 |
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kf |
I would like to learn how to merge branches and solve conflicts |
| 10:50 |
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kf |
some levels below automated builds :) |
| 10:50 |
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chris |
oh, we can definitely cover that |
| 10:55 |
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kf |
hmpf. you are very optimistic |
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kf |
although I m sure I will learn a lot - but was thinking about more basic things :) |
| 10:57 |
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chris |
its really not that bad, it is a 100 times easier to see it in action and try it with someone looking over your shoulder than reading about it |
| 11:00 |
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kf |
hope you are right - I m really looking forward to the dev conf |
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kf |
there is a wiki page about adding new languages - http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ANET_staff_client |
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kf |
document the part about standard installs there? |
| 11:16 |
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chris |
sounds good |
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kf |
ok, found my wiki password - I think the 3.06 part works |
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chris |
needs another . tho :) |
| 11:18 |
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kf |
hm? |
| 11:20 |
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chris |
3.0.6 |
| 11:21 |
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kf |
ah |
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chris |
sorry pet peeve of mine |
| 11:21 |
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chris |
along with writing KOHA :) |
| 11:21 |
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kf |
no, I understand :) |
| 11:27 |
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nengard |
hey all - can anyone find an easy fix to bug 4961 (I'm still thinking optomistically |
| 11:27 |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4961 critical, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Can't overlay catalog records |
| 11:28 |
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kf |
not sure it's easy to fix - but its a really bad bug for us. all our libraries are trained to overlay fast adds with z39.50 f |
| 11:31 |
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chris |
you could do a git log on the file |
| 11:31 |
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nengard |
is it big enough to say it's a blocker - i never know for sure what a blocker is |
| 11:31 |
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chris |
no its not a blocker |
| 11:31 |
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chris |
its critical tho |
| 11:32 |
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chris |
if you want to track it down do a git log on the files it calls, and see if you can find when it was changed, then you might be able to spot a likely culprit |
| 11:32 |
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nengard |
it's blocking us from being able to do what we need to do for our job - see that's how i see a blocker - and so that's why i never know if it's a blocker |
| 11:32 |
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kf |
I m with nengard |
| 11:33 |
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kf |
its something you need in cataloging - and there is no work around |
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nengard |
as for checking the file - which file? the z search or the cataloging file? |
| 11:33 |
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nengard |
kf - and it was there before |
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kf |
yep |
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kf |
is it obvious that it creates a new record? or do you find out later while searching? |
| 11:36 |
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kf |
ok, will go and try myelf :) |
| 11:36 |
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chris |
it could be major or critical |
| 11:37 |
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chris |
it is breaking a major function in koha |
| 11:37 |
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nengard |
kf it changes the header on the page from Editing to Adding |
| 11:37 |
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nengard |
it's not obvious unless you're looking at the top of the page |
| 11:37 |
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nengard |
until you're brought to the record that has no items ... |
| 11:37 |
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chris |
nengard: both |
| 11:37 |
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kf |
and they will not do that |
| 11:38 |
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nengard |
both? oh - both files... k - hang on fixing a problem I can fix :) |
| 11:38 |
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kf |
hm, workaround: add new records, move items, delete record |
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chris |
ill look |
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chris |
hmm it works for me |
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chris |
i just did one and it edited it not added a new one |
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chris |
from detail.pl it works (doing the search there) |
| 11:44 |
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chris |
trying from the edit screen itself |
| 11:44 |
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nengard |
i'll try again - i'd love for it not to be a problem!!!! |
| 11:44 |
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chris |
so the workaround is do the z3950 search from the detail.pl page |
| 11:44 |
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chris |
try that |
| 11:44 |
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chris |
and ill test from the edit page |
| 11:44 |
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kf |
testing too, waiting for my record to be indexed |
| 11:46 |
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nengard |
chris you are right!!!!!!! see this is why i need people to check my bugs |
| 11:46 |
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chris |
tried from editing |
| 11:46 |
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nengard |
i do test on more than one system usually - but probably didn't in this case |
| 11:46 |
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chris |
works there too |
| 11:46 |
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kf |
hm I started with a fast add |
| 11:47 |
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chris |
you shouldnt need to test, if you record changed it worked ie i edited biblio number 256 |
| 11:47 |
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kf |
can not change the framework :( |
| 11:47 |
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kf |
is there a way to do it? |
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chris |
which was a small record, now its a full record |
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chris |
on the edit screen, shoud be able to change it on the top right |
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kf |
chris: we must be driving you crazy :) |
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kf |
chris/nengard: added a fast add, saved, waited until indexed, searched for it, edit record from detail screen |
| 11:49 |
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kf |
started z39.50 search - want to change the framework now, because it's no longer a fast add |
| 11:49 |
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kf |
but the pull down it set back to fast add |
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chris |
yeah thats a totally different thing |
| 11:49 |
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chris |
overloadng bug reports is my biggest pet peeve :-) |
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nengard |
that is not only differnet - but very obvious to those cataloging |
| 11:51 |
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chris |
so back on track |
| 11:51 |
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chris |
can we confirm that the original bug is no longer occuring? |
| 11:51 |
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chris |
i cant replicate it |
| 11:52 |
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nengard |
right and i closed it |
| 11:53 |
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chris |
cool |
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magnus |
yay! |
| 11:54 |
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nengard |
thanks for testing all - we always need to test each other's bug reports cause it's not always a bug for everyone :) |
| 11:54 |
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chris |
and developers should not be scared |
| 11:55 |
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chris |
to close bugs if they cant replicate |
| 11:55 |
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chris |
it can always be reopened |
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* magnus |
thinks watching stuff like this happening in real time is pretty amazing - that's one bug solved by people in germany, us & nz! |
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kf |
:) |
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kf |
nengard: is there a bug about the framework problem? |
| 11:56 |
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nengard |
not one i reported, but i'll search |
| 11:57 |
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nengard |
i'm not seeing it.... |
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chris |
ok time for sleep |
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kf |
good night chris |
| 11:59 |
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kf |
nengard: not seeing it in the bug database or in your installation? |
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nengard |
sorry - the bug database |
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kf |
nengard: can you test perhaps? I can not change the framework from fast add to standard in cataloging. when I open the file in marc view (catalog) and change pulldown to standard it shows nothing |
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nengard |
give me a sec and i'll test |
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kf |
thank you :) |
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kf |
bug 4513 |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4513 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Resetting framework to Default seems impossible |
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nengard |
kf i saw that but i thought you couldn't change to any template |
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nengard |
not just default |
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kf |
I only have default and fast add - not all frameworks installed |
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kf |
only mandatory |
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nengard |
kf okay i just tested |
| 12:07 |
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nengard |
i created a record with fast add framework |
| 12:07 |
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nengard |
i clicked edit record and then did a z39.50 search |
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nengard |
i found the record and imported it |
| 12:07 |
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nengard |
it was set to fast add framework still so i chose default from the list |
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nengard |
and it changed to default - i saved and all the values were there |
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kf |
strange |
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nengard |
so it doesn't look like it's a bug for me - unless i did something diff from you |
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kf |
mine kept switching back to default |
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kf |
did you save your record before editing it? |
| 12:09 |
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nengard |
yes |
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nengard |
i'm also logged in as superlibrarian - if that makes a diff |
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kf |
let me check |
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kf |
Its always changing back to fast add |
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kf |
I am superlibrarian too |
| 12:11 |
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kf |
oh I hate bugs like this |
| 12:11 |
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kf |
let me see if I can reproduce your steps |
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kf |
go to cataloging - new record - choose fast add framework - add 245 and save |
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kf |
edit record from catalog's normal view |
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kf |
change framework to default - works |
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kf |
so what was different for the first record? |
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kf |
nengard: can you test with a fast add to change framework to default in the marc view from catalog? |
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kf |
nengard: appears to be a translation problem |
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kf |
nengard: cant change framework in German templates, but with English templates no problem |
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kf |
nengard: closing bug :) |
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magnus |
yay! |
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kf |
recreating the templates did it - perhaps some recent change fixed the problem |
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kf |
magnus++ #for his cheery mood and optimism ;) |
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magnus |
ooh, thanks! |
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kf |
:) |
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kf |
magnus: flight is booked now - will arrive 21st at 3 pm :) |
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magnus |
yay! |
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magnus |
@karma magnus |
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munin |
magnus: Karma for "magnus" has been increased 6 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 6. |
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chris_n |
g'morning |
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kf |
jwagner: around? |
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jwagner |
Hi kf |
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kf |
hi jwagner: looking at bug 3046 |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3046 major, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, System ignores MaxFine syspref |
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kf |
I did a lot of fines testing but never saw that problem again, do you think we can close the bug? or perhaps change it to enhancemnt because of the suggestions for better fines management in the comments? |
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nengard |
kf which flight booked? |
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jwagner |
I'd say it could be closed. One of our features has max fines in the circ rules instead, and I think there's other development along those lines. |
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kf |
nengard: zürich - london - bangkok - sydney - auckland :) |
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nengard |
for kohacon? |
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kf |
max fines in circ rules - want it! :) |
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kf |
yes, will be at the road trip first |
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jwagner |
kf, Bug 3507 :-) |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3507 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Circ rules enhancements, maximum fine warning |
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kf |
nengard: really happy I can attend :) |
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nengard |
woo hoo :) |
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nengard |
mine is booked to i arrive on the 22nd or 23rd - i forget now ;) |
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kf |
booked yesterday, so I still know - will start my journey on 19th |
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hdl |
no owen today ? |
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kf |
@seen owen |
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munin |
kf: owen was last seen in #koha 16 hours, 32 minutes, and 32 seconds ago: <owen> See y'all tomorrow |
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nengard |
hdl it's not 9am here yet |
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kf |
hdl: do you know if bug 3046 fixed in 3.0.x? can I close the bug? the Version says rel_3_0 |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3046 major, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, System ignores MaxFine syspref |
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indradg |
gmcharlt, ping |
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indradg |
any MarcEdit users around? |
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nengard |
i'm no expert, but i've used it |
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hdl |
kf: can't reproduce it. |
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hdl |
kf: looks like the preference search is not case sensitive. |
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hdl |
So should not be a problem |
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kf |
hdl: I know it is fixed in head, but was not sure its ok to close the bug because of the version it refers to |
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hdl |
should be ok in 3.0 |
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kf |
thx |
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nengard |
can anyone tell me if the patch for bug 3670 was ever pushed? i don't see a record of it being pushed - and it's such a tini tiny fix :) |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3670 trivial, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, RESOLVED FIXED, Why is DUE all caps on enhanced messages |
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hdl |
@later tell nengard bug 3670 doesnot seem to be pushed (bug is till in the code) |
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munin |
hdl: The operation succeeded. |
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hdl |
installer/data/mysql/en/optional/sample_notices_message_attributes.sql |
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hdl |
in french and polish to |
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fredericd |
hdl: we've already talked about bug 5067. |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5067 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, bulkmarcimport.pl import script removes dashes in ISBN fields |
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fredericd |
Removing dashed in entering biblio records could be seen as a feature |
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fredericd |
but I have librarians who think differently |
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wizzyrea |
what it really needs is an option to leave them or remove them |
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wizzyrea |
or an option to standardize them |
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wizzyrea |
or all 3 |
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fredericd |
'standardize'? |
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wizzyrea |
insert dashes if none exist and you want them, or remove them if you have them and don't want them |
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wizzyrea |
but I usppose you could use marcedit for that |
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sekjal |
I assume we're talking about dashes in the MARC, not in the biblioitems.isbn field of the database? |
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fredericd |
both since db isbn is a copy of marc field |
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sekjal |
it would make sense to me to store a 'normalized' version in the database, but leave the MARC field alone (or provide plugins to massage it however one may like) |
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hdl |
fredericd: ? |
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fredericd |
hdl: oui |
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fredericd |
My point of view is that bulkmarcimport.pl shouldn't be use to do too many thing, link normalizing biblio records. |
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fredericd |
If you want to normalize do it before importing |
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sekjal |
fredericd: that sounds reasonable |
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hdl |
actually bulkmarcimport is now being used with to many options and is doing manythings. |
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hdl |
I quite agree with you. |
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hdl |
bulkmarcimport should import data and not try to process them. |
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hdl |
But there would be an impact in the import rate I think doing the process before. |
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druthb |
hi, #koha! :) |
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hdl |
hi druthb |
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kf |
hi druthb! |
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kf |
where have you been? :) |
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druthb |
We had a fierce storm here Sunday that took out power to about 300K people in the area. My home will be without power until Thursday night late, most likely. :/ |
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kf |
oh |
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druthb |
The office was down all day Monday, and part of yesterday, too, so no sense coming in... |
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kf |
fredericd: It seems staged marc import does not change the ISBN. Not sure if there is a difference between MARC21 and UNIMARC, we use MARC21. |
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kf |
druthb: glad you are back |
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druthb |
good to be back, thanks. :) |
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mib_75qq2 |
Hello, would anyknow hazard a guess as to why when I am here (http://78.137.168.89:8080/cgi-[…]/members-home.pl) and click the NEW button, nothing happens?? |
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mib_75qq2 |
No info in the logs, the browser just sites there, doing nothing! |
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kf |
which version are you running? |
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kf |
mib_75qq2: which version? have you defined borrower categories under administration? |
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mib_75qq2 |
3.06 |
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kf |
borrower categories defined? |
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kf |
sorry, I have to leave now. getting late here. |
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wizzyrea |
^^ check to make sure you have borrower categories defined |
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mib_75qq2 |
thanks, will do |
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wizzyrea |
if you didn't install the default data, you probably don't have any |
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wizzyrea |
:) |
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mib_75qq2 |
your prob gone - but that is what the problem was! |
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briceSanc |
Hello all |
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briceSanc |
I'm working on http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5038 |
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munin |
Bug 5038: enhancement, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, Checkout by hour |
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sekjal |
briceSanc: that's a pretty big enhancement |
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briceSanc |
and i want to know something : if i create a new syspref record in circulation.pref. Do i need to add new entries in the .../installer/data/mysql/en/mandatory/sysprefs.sql ? |
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briceSanc |
thanks sekjal |
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sekjal |
briceSanc: are you implementing the RFC that was originally written for Koha 3.2, or are you doing it a different way? |
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briceSanc |
i don't know what is RFC |
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sekjal |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]tion_policies_RFC |
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sekjal |
stands for Request for Comment (I believe) |
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briceSanc |
my features are similar |
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sekjal |
briceSanc: do you have them written down anywhere? |
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sekjal |
anywhere the Koha community could access to read, I mean |
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reva |
hello chris_n: remember me from Antigua and barbuda Bureau of Standards. I have installed Koha 3.0.6 using a Live CD/Virtual Box install to give it a test run. I have figured out some stuff. But would like help with 1) how to import LOC authority data into Koha 2) how I would have clickable "see from" and "see also" entries in my search hit list. Thanks in advance for any help you can provide. |
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briceSanc |
sekjal, i have nothing apart a fresh install of Koha 3.2beta |
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reva |
chris_n: I have created some authority using personal name heading on my own and they work fine, it is just that there are no clickable "see also" links showing up on the hit list. |
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sekjal |
briceSanc: I'd recommend working out a full set of requirements for exactly what the system needs to do with hourly circulation periods, and sending that to the Koha listserv |
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reva |
hi anyone? can you help with the two questions that I just asked chris_n? Thanks. |
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sekjal |
reva: for the import of LOC authority data, you'll need to do it from the command line with the bulkauthimport.pl script |
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sekjal |
the authorities will need to be in .mrc |
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reva |
sekjal: I am familiar with Unix and so command line interface. So where would I find the bulkimport script? Also the clickable "see also" and "see from" links in the search hit list question. |
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sekjal |
reva: the script lives in misc/migration_tools |
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briceSanc |
sekjal, i have to follow the request of my customer but every job's done is pull to the Koha GIT |
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briceSanc |
push |
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reva |
sekjar: so I just use the location in the command to run it? what is the command line syntax for running it? |
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sekjal |
reva: from the directory, you can run perl bulkauthimport.pl -h to see the usage for the script |
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sekjal |
briceSanc: generally, the way new developments brought into the Koha Git repository is through patches submitted to the patches list, or pull requests. |
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sekjal |
briceSanc: I believe only the release managers and maintainers have push access |
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reva |
sekjal: Sorry for being ignorant. Where would I find the directory? |
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sekjal |
reva: do you have a production or dev installation? |
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briceSanc |
sekjal, yes, i know. I' m a french-canadian user of Koha and my english is not perfect, i should wrote : every job's done will be proposed to the Koha community |
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briceSanc |
;) |
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reva |
sekjal: I installed Koha Live CD and it is on VirtualBox right now; This Live Cd is by mizst,: http://mizstik.com/projects/koha-livecd/. The features I have tested work ok so far. We hope to be installing it on our hard disk soon for production. |
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sekjal |
briceSanc: ah, okay. sorry for my misunderstanding. |
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joetho |
there is a Koha live-cd? |
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joetho |
how cool is THAT? |
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sekjal |
reva: when Koha is installed, there is an option to use the production mode (which copies all the Koha files to new locations, typically /usr/share/koha... and /etc/koha...) |
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reva |
joetho: you bet you; there are two of 3.0.6 and mizst has older version ones on Live CD as well. The 3.0.6 comes with Ubuntu server 10.04. We had to go this route since we are running Windows and we wanted to test it on virtualization. |
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sekjal |
or there is dev mode, which just refers to the code from the unzipped or git-cloned directory immediately |
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sekjal |
dev mode typically has the files living in something like /home/koha/kohaclone... |
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sekjal |
or wherever you downloaded the code initially |
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sekjal |
since this is the Live CD, I'm not sure where the files would be |
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jcamins |
reva, sekjal: I think the LiveCD has a dev install. The LiveCD for 3.0.2 did. |
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reva |
sekjal: When I installed it the LiveCD in VirtualBox, it did not give me any choice as to mode. So I guess I need to install it on my hard drive to find this directory? |
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jcamins |
Try /home/koha/kohaclone/misc/ ... |
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jcamins |
I don't actually know where home directories are under Linux, so you might need to look elsewhere. |
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reva |
sekjal: Ok, I will try it thre and if no successful locating it, I will contact the developer, mizst of this CD. and find out. |
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sekjal |
jcamins: the Live CD is based on Ubuntu, which should put a dev install under /home/**user**/**directory** |
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jcamins |
Even though I started using Ubuntu a while ago, the only directory structure I have memorized is FreeBSD's. |
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jcamins |
One day I will get Ubuntu's straight, too. :) |
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reva |
sekjal: about the clickable links for "see from" and "see also" in the hit list? How do I have them show up. Right now, when I test it with the authority data I created (personal name heading) it works and finds the author through all the access points, but there are no "see also" entry showing up on the hit list. |
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sekjal |
reva: which search are you using: biblio or authority, and which side: OPAC or staff client? |
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reva |
I used the general search box that comes up on the Home screen and on the authority search also. My entry for the variants of the author's name shows up in both the searches. But no clickable "see from" links etc. |
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reva |
Oh, I should say I was in the staff client, because we have not virtual tested the OPAC client. |
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reva |
sekjal: so would I see them only on the OPAC search? |
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sekjal |
reva: it's possible. I'm running some tests now |
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sekjal |
reva: my testing shows that I'm getting used for/see from info for authorities in the staff client authority search |
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reva |
sekjal: so I must set something which I have not. But I only used the pere-set 500 field (see also, I believe) for tying (sp?) to 100 field Main entry. Can you long distance diagnose why it is not working for me? |
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reva |
sekjal: that is pre-set Personal Name heading. |
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sekjal |
reva: sorry, one moment please |
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reva |
sekjal: that is ok, I am here for a couple of more hours:). |
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sekjal |
reva: sorry, have to dash. will hopefully be back on later |
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reva |
sekjal: will catch up later. I find the authority search brings up the clickable links for both "see also" and "see from", but no links on the general search on Home page. Bye and Thanks. |
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mRCUTEO |
hi |
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mRCUTEO |
anyone available for help |
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mRCUTEO |
im trying to install koha using perl 5.8 and i got this error: |
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mRCUTEO |
Can't locate feature.pm in @INC (@ |
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mRCUTEO |
anyone can assist? |
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wizzyrea |
what are you trying to do when you get this message |
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mRCUTEO |
i open http://localhost:8080 |
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mRCUTEO |
and i got this message |
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mRCUTEO |
i already fullfiled all the dependencies needed |
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mRCUTEO |
Can't locate feature.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/share/koha/lib /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/i386-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.8/i386-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.8 /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.8/i386-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.8 .) at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/Date/Manip.pm line 55. |
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mRCUTEO |
BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/Date/Manip.pm line 55. |
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mRCUTEO |
Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Overdues.pm line 24. |
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jcamins |
mRCUTEO: I think you have to use Perl 5.10 or later. |
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mRCUTEO |
jcamins is there a way i can upgrade my perl from CPAN ? |
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mRCUTEO |
or should i recompile new perl |
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jcamins |
I think you have to install a newer version of perl using your platform's package manager. |
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mRCUTEO |
im using centos |
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jcamins |
rpm, maybe? |
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mRCUTEO |
yerp have tu find perl 5.10 rpm :( |
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mRCUTEO |
then i have to redo all the cpan installation? |
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jcamins |
Yes. |
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mRCUTEO |
my oh my thanks for the info jcamins.. i just figured out i needed 5.10 after i try to view it on the web |
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mRCUTEO |
tough luck :( |
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chris |
Morning |
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wizzyrea |
heya |
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hi chris |
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chris |
@wunder wellington,nz |
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chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 5.0�C (7:00 AM NZST on July 29, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady). |
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chris |
Hmm this day could go either way |
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@wunder Konstanz |
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cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 18.0�C (10:00 PM CEST on July 28, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Falling). |
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Hmm police have adelaide rd blocked |
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* chris |
checks stuff |
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chris |
Ahh open again, traffic accident I think :( |
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@wunder 28334 |
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chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 34.0�C (4:00 PM EDT on July 28, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 23.0�C. Pressure: 30.03 in 1017 hPa (Steady). |
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I always panic if I think its gonna be a big news day |
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hehe |
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cait |
:) finally found my old passport |
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chris |
Cool |
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cait |
only took 1 hour for search... :) |
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cait |
relieved now |
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chris |
Yay |
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cait |
yay :) |
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cait |
where is magnus? |
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* cait |
feels like I am using his word |
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chris |
Hehe |
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chris |
You guys are gonna have a fun road trip |
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:) |
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waves |
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hi larsw |
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Heya larsw |
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chris |
Ur in nyc now? |
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hi |
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chris |
Hi richard |
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richard |
hey chris |
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at home today - flu alert at hq |
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Ahh stay away from that |
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bye #koha |
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gnight all |
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prepares to build the latest Koha packages |
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chris |
sweet |
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* robin |
has deployed the latest Koha packages |
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robin |
The process is now down to 10 minutes :) |
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noice |
